Re: CSchiggers
Now don't be silly Marshall, you can't be skeptical because that would make you a close-minded idiot according to some! (Sorry, I couldn't resist it lol) dee On 22 Jun 2010, at 19:15, Marshall Dudley wrote: What makes you think they go into the skin? I have opened many a pustule, and nothing there but pus. Frankly I am skeptical of such claims without any evidence or proof, and I dowse it as being 100% false.. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSchiggers
Hi Neville, What do the veggies do? May one eat it or use for cooking after the treatment? Is that a one time fix or how often do you apply? Never heard of it but it sounds good and cheap and easy, so it could be a winner. OK, Tony By the way, Do you know how to make genuine turpentine from trees? What the actual process is? T My husband came home from a trip with a nasty bunch of chigger bites all over Sounds like the beginning of a naughty joke !!! On 23 Jun 2010 at 14:11, Neville Munn wrote about : Subject : RE: CSchiggers Cut an onion or tomato in half and rub that on. N. Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:39:57 +0930 To: silver-list@eskimo.com From: bloss...@internode.on.net Subject: Re: CSchiggers I can't recall having seen not even one here, not ever. We got plenty of other creepy crawlies though..lol. Dabbing with vinegar? would that take the itch out of it? I am assuming that a bite causes itching. At 11:04 PM 6/22/2010, you wrote: Is there an Australian chigger equivalent? I don't know what they are. Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ My husband came home from a trip with a nasty bunch of chigger bites all over. Anyone know of a remedy? Thanks, Paula -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: List Owner: Mike Devour _ Browse profiles for FREE! Meet local singles online. http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/
CSwhat am i missing?...testing123
hi all... signed back up on silverlist recently and have only received one mssg, a week ago. this used to be pretty active... am i missing posts or is it a lull? bobL -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSwhat am i missing?...testing123
Hi there Bob, sounds like an administrative problem.. This last week has produced at least 200 emails since the 16th.. Perhaps a quick question about this to Mike might solve the lack of emails. Hanneke At 05:18 PM 6/23/2010, you wrote: hi all... signed back up on silverlist recently and have only received one mssg, a week ago. this used to be pretty active... am i missing posts or is it a lull? bobL -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSchiggers
Household Ammonia...helps. Itch Stick...silver gel. Don't know if ANYTHING will remedy that...YOW...been there!! Ode At 06:44 AM 6/22/2010 -0400, you wrote: My husband came home from a trip with a nasty bunch of chigger bites all over. Anyone know of a remedy? Thanks, Paula -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSchiggers
They aren't there TO suffocate. Chiggers bite, get their nutrients and leave. Epsom salt bath sounds likely..I'll keep than one in the file. Chiggers do not burrow under your skin, as many people believe, nor do they feed on animal blood. They actually feed on the fluids in skin cells. To get the fluids, they attach themselves to a skin pore or hair follicle and inject a digestive enzyme that ruptures the cells. The enzyme also hardens the surrounding skin tissue, forming a sort of straw for sucking the skin cell fluids. The whole process irritates the skin, causing an itchy red bump that continues to cause discomfort for several days. Chiggers are only about 1/50th of an inch (0.5 mm) in diameter and so are too small to be seen with the naked eye. This invisibility is the reason so many people believe chiggers burrow under the skin. One commonly known remedy for chigger bites is to apply nail polish to reduce itchiness. This does not kill the chigger or treat the bite in any way. It simply seals the area off from the air, which keeps the sore from itching so badly. If you want to apply something to relieve itching, it's much better to use a salve or cream that contains antihistamines (Caladryl or hydrocortisone salves are the most common). Like nail polish, these treatments will seal the bite from the surrounding air, but they will also help to prevent infection. If the welts continue to irritate you for more than a couple of weeks, they might be infected and you should see a doctor. Ode At 09:05 AM 6/22/2010 -0400, you wrote: brush a little clear nail polish on each one. They will suffocate.. On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:51 AM, mailto:ejohns9...@aol.comejohns9...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/22/2010 5:45:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mailto:p...@zoomnet.netp...@zoomnet.net writes: My husband came home from a trip with a nasty bunch of chigger bites all over. Anyone know of a remedy? Thanks, Paula Soak in a tub of warm/hot water with 3 cups Epsom salt added for at least 20 minutes. This even works for poison ivy but you may have to do it 2 or 3 days. Edith -- Day Sutton mailto:day.sut...@gmail.comday.sut...@gmail.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSchiggers
If you don't know already, there probably isn't. Be very glad. http://www.howstuffworks.com/question488.htm Ode At 11:34 PM 6/22/2010 +1000, you wrote: Is there an Australian chigger equivalent? I don't know what they are. Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealthhttp://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ My husband came home from a trip with a nasty bunch of chigger bites all over. Anyone know of a remedy? Thanks, Paula -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSchiggers
Nobody has ever seen a chigger...except with a microscope. I've seen Spanish Moss crawling with little red bugs which *might* be the non biting adult stage and tourists that play with it getting all itchy. Wit mom and dad there be chidrens? [aka chillins ] Ode At 11:39 PM 6/22/2010 +0930, you wrote: I can't recall having seen not even one here, not ever. We got plenty of other creepy crawlies though..lol. Dabbing with vinegar? would that take the itch out of it? I am assuming that a bite causes itching. At 11:04 PM 6/22/2010, you wrote: Is there an Australian chigger equivalent? I don't know what they are. Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealthhttp://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ My husband came home from a trip with a nasty bunch of chigger bites all over. Anyone know of a remedy? Thanks, Paula -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: List Owner: Mike Devour
Re: CSHow did we ever get here on this subject?
VERY well said, Macolm. Once you know the tactics . Malcolm wrote: I'm much more concerned with the drift that this is becoming a 'Believer's' forum and that someone who resorts to arcane and unavailable 'proof' such as calibration which, note, is used as a weapon as much as a sign of cosmic - and note that - approval of rectitude, is making this his own fiefdom. Yes, the hypnotic? ad nauseum posts, (on both lists) the subtle insults to anyone who disagrees, the ignoring of any challenges by those who DO know what they are talking about with regards to scientific methodologies. The blurring of boundaries creating cognitive dissonance. The extreme arrogance. - you may detect a strong desire to control the conversation and beliefs of others. Yep - I certainly do. Like it's a mission of some sort. I despise it, and though I find all this stuff about dowsing, demons and other disembodied entities interesting,I find Boddhi's use of it to further his control of a clacque disgusting. Off course there are many kinds of disease - (strong clue here as to where he is coming from) Shiona Wonder why he doesn't use his real name? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSchiggers
laughing I spose one could cook em up after. Hi Tony, I don't even know what a 'chigger' is? Seriously though, for insect bites or such we rub the juice on the site for relief of pain etc. I guess the acid or whatever in the onion or tommie does something to the bite, sting or 'toxin?' to neutralise it. I've no idea if it will work in this case but it's certainly worth a try, nothing to lose. I know it works for stings, as two of my kids can testify when they were toddlers many moons ago. N. From: a...@new.co.za To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 09:04:23 +0200 Subject: RE: CSchiggers Hi Neville, What do the veggies do? May one eat it or use for cooking after the treatment? Is that a one time fix or how often do you apply? Never heard of it but it sounds good and cheap and easy, so it could be a winner. OK, Tony By the way, Do you know how to make genuine turpentine from trees? What the actual process is? T My husband came home from a trip with a nasty bunch of chigger bites all over Sounds like the beginning of a naughty joke !!! On 23 Jun 2010 at 14:11, Neville Munn wrote about : Subject : RE: CSchiggers Cut an onion or tomato in half and rub that on. N. Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:39:57 +0930 To: silver-list@eskimo.com From: bloss...@internode.on.net Subject: Re: CSchiggers I can't recall having seen not even one here, not ever. We got plenty of other creepy crawlies though..lol. Dabbing with vinegar? would that take the itch out of it? I am assuming that a bite causes itching. At 11:04 PM 6/22/2010, you wrote: Is there an Australian chigger equivalent? I don't know what they are. Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ My husband came home from a trip with a nasty bunch of chigger bites all over. Anyone know of a remedy? Thanks, Paula -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: List Owner: Mike Devour _ Browse profiles for FREE! Meet local singles online. http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/ _ If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job site http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/
Re: CSHow did we ever get here on this subject?
This thread and topic is closed for now. Do *not* reply further. Thank you. Mike Devour silver-list owner Shiona wrote: VERY well said, Macolm... Malcolm wrote: I'm much more concerned with the drift that this is becoming a 'Believer's' forum [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHow did we ever get here on this subject?
Malcolm: I completely agree with you. I tried to bring the discussion back onto a scientific basis on the ot list, but pretty much got dumped on. I was told that science is evil and just a weapon to control people. I did not want to start a long running argument over this because it was obvious to me that pretty much anything I said would be dismissed out of hand. I have been in those kinds of discussions before and find that they are not productive of any meaningful results. The bottom line is that the belief system must be defended at all costs and anything contrary is immediately vilified. I hope Mike will do a better job of confining these things to the off topic list. Otherwise, the silver list may become a place for believers only. Del - Original Message - From: Malcolm s...@asis.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: RE: CSHow did we ever get here on this subject? Hi Steve, Dan's fine with me; I was surprised by his comment though and it was not directed at you IMNSHO. I'm much more concerned with the drift that this is becoming a 'Believer's' forum and that someone who resorts to arcane and unavailable 'proof' such as calibration which, note, is used as a weapon as much as a sign of cosmic - and note that - approval of rectitude, is making this his own fiefdom. If you bother with the list of definitions in the new oxford dictionary, and I haven't yet in this case but I'm familiar with the style, and then observe Boddhi's highly selective usage and his jump from skeptic to '-ism', - again a highly selective and so-illustrated pejorative usage, - you may detect a strong desire to control the conversation and beliefs of others. I do, having been trained in English and rhetoric at the graduate level. I despise it, and though I find all this stuff about dowsing, demons and other disembodied entities interesting, I find Boddhi's use of it to further his control of a clacque disgusting. Well, that's my problem. Take care, Malcolm You can tell English majors by the convolution of their sentences. g On Tue, 2010-06-22 at 08:42 -0500, Norton, Steve wrote: Malcolm, I just want to say that I took no offense at Dan's comment but just wanted to point out that many of us are skeptics some if the time. I have a high regard for Dan and consider his posts valuable. I can say the same for Bodhi, although I may not completely share all his beliefs. BTW, not sharing all his beliefs does not mean that he is wrong, only that perhaps I have not yet had the opportunity to develop my own experiences that would support those beliefs. I have many opinions but I consider many of them as opinions du jour. Tomorrow I may learn something new that causes me to revise my opinion on something. Who knows? Best Regards, Steve -Original Message- From: Malcolm [mailto:s...@asis.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:07 AM To: Norton, Steve Subject: RE: CSHow did we ever get here on this subject? Hi Steve, I'd expect you're right, you are considerably more mild-mannered about this than I feel; it hasn't been Dan so much as Boddhi who has begun to impose linguistic correctness upon us; the guy is an egotist and a rhetor. Look out!! You Can be Calibrated: Ve haff vays to Make you Calibrated! Ziss vill teach you not to be skeptical vit Mee! But no, you're definitely not a Dumb-ass. I think his veneer may be cracking as he swells, though. . . . Your subject-line question, that's truly an interesting one! Oh well. Take care, Malcolm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS - Chiggers -local antihistamine - ant bites etc
Fw: Re: CSchiggers OK, time for my 2 cents worth. Edith, if your husband hyper releases histamine like I do a combination of all the suggestions previously offered will probably all help in some aspect AND you might break open a few capsules or dissolve tablets of diphenhydramine (Benadryl or generic) in as little water as possible duh how about in a little CS? --- and dab on the itchies - frequently---and repeatedly. This will help the histamine response only, but it does wonders for bites. I wonder how DMSO could figure in the mix as it might give better penetration and would also help the body resolve the inflammation process more rapidly. I like this local application of a super concentration antihistamine because it acts thoroughly and rapidly .and I don't have to nap all day from oral antihistamine. Further FYI - I also use white toothpaste on ant bites as soon as they happen, just smear a gob over the whole area and all the stinging stops as well as preventing the red,itchy pustules. We keep several tubes from the dollar store around the house and grab quickly if we or the grandkids inadvertently get into those stinging red ants. Works every time. If there are many, many bites you may need to apply the toothpaste, rub in well then wipe off with a wet cloth or under the faucet outside and apply a second coat of the white tooth paste. Ant bites feel worse than wasp stings to my hyper reactive self and the toothpaste really works on the pain as well as the sequale. OK, Ode, ...Why does the toothpaste and could add CS to the toothpaste mix here to keep on topic...and would the CS further neutralize the bite reaction? Is the bite acid and the calcium alkaline and penetrating like the ant venom to be able to neutralize it so quickly? Huh? Huh? Huh? To all the other CS'ers. Thanks for all the thought provocations, laughs and CS info, especially the CS info as I am still very much in the initial learning curve and ya'll are awesome in your knowledge and ability to answer questions! We are each a unique creation! Vive la différence. Paula in Palacios Re: CSchiggers Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:42:50 AM From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com They aren't there TO suffocate. Chiggers bite, get their nutrients and leave. Epsom salt bath sounds likely..I'll keep than one in the file. Chiggers do not burrow under your skin, as many people believe, nor do they feed on animal blood. They actually feed on the fluids in skin cells. To get the fluids, they attach themselves to a skin pore or hair follicle and inject a digestive enzyme that ruptures the cells. The enzyme also hardens the surrounding skin tissue, forming a sort of straw for sucking the skin cell fluids. The whole process irritates the skin, causing an itchy red bump that continues to cause discomfort for several days. Chiggers are only about 1/50th of an inch (0.5 mm) in diameter and so are too small to be seen with the naked eye. This invisibility is the reason so many people believe chiggers burrow under the skin. One commonly known remedy for chigger bites is to apply nail polish to reduce itchiness. This does not kill the chigger or treat the bite in any way. It simply seals the area off from the air, which keeps the sore from itching so badly. If you want to apply something to relieve itching, it's much better to use a salve or cream that contains antihistamines (Caladryl or hydrocortisone salves are the most common). Like nail polish, these treatments will seal the bite from the surrounding air, but they will also help to prevent infection. If the welts continue to irritate you for more than a couple of weeks, they might be infected and you should see a doctor. Ode At 09:05 AM 6/22/2010 -0400, you wrote: brush a little clear nail polish on each one. They will suffocate.. On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:51 AM, mailto:ejohns9...@aol.comejohns9...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/22/2010 5:45:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mailto:p...@zoomnet.netp...@zoomnet.net writes: My husband came home from a trip with a nasty bunch of chigger bites all over. Anyone know of a remedy? Thanks, Paula Soak in a tub of warm/hot water with 3 cups Epsom salt added for at least 20 minutes. This even works for poison ivy but you may have to do it 2 or 3 days. Edith
CSApology
Sorry Paula, I did not read enough or have enough brain cells to connect the chigger Mama posts to Paula. Please forgive me. Hope hubby recovers his sanity soon. CS to his scratching irritations will help prevent secondary infection. We keep some CS in a spray bottle to cover and wet larger areas. I looked up the Itch Stick that Ode mentioned and it is a muy bland version of the disolved Benadryl/diphenhydramine I described. At 06:44 AM 6/22/2010 -0400, you wrote: My husband came home from a trip with a nasty bunch of chigger bites all over. Anyone know of a remedy? Thanks, Paula
CSliposomes ultrasonic cleaners
I have been doing some study on the mechanics of ultrasonic cleaners in relation to liposomes and I am curious of some of the ramifications: 1) Ultrasonic cleaners work by producing alternating low and high sound waves. The unit I am using does 50/60 Hz. The low phase produces the bubble and the high phase implodes the bubbles which produces the cleaning action so desired in such cleaners. Question: I can see the low phase producing liposomes, but how are the liposomes immune to the high phase that normally ruptures bubbles? 2) Using the cheap harbor freight ultrasonic cleaner, it is recommended to stir the solution and that the more shallow the solution, the higher the quality of liposome. Is stirring really necessary as it is so time consuming? It seems to me that the solution has natural movement all by itself from the production of the ultrasonic waves. 3) It is suggested that the best cavitation of the solution in the ultrasonic cleaner occurs when the solution is warm, plus the cavittion produces heat too. How much danger is this produced heat from ultrasonic wave production to ascorbic acid or the ascorbates' integrity over a long period of time? Is it minimal? One would logically conclude that the more heat produced, the more energetic the cavitation---would one not? If this is true, would it not be more efficient to produce liposomes with specialized instruments like sonifiers (pulsing and placing the lipo-C in ice water to keep temps low)? 4) It sounds to me that the longer one can run your lipo-C solution in a ultrasonic cleaner the better the quality of liposomes according to some of Brooks' later posts, however there is what is known as degassing in ultrasonic cleaning. Many instruction manuals for cleaners will advise you to de-gas your solution from 5-10 minutes before actually starting the cleaning process. Degassing is the initial removal of gases present in the solution. Useful cavitation occurs after the gasses have been removed from the solution leaving a vacuum in the later formed bubbles as it is written in these manuals. So it seems to me on first glance after reading this, that one would not want to extend our Lipo-C solution cavitation much longer than the recommended 6 minutes as that would degas the solution, producing an empty bubble. Is this true or am I missing some thing? 5) Finally, there seems to me, better ways to produce a liposome via sound waves. Would not lab devices known as sonifiers/sonicators/cell disruptors be a better choice since these devices produce an intense steady frequency unlike the ultrasonic cleaner? Agreed, this device would not be in the reach of the average home-made tech, but would it produce a smaller, better liposome than ultrasonic cleaners? I realize that heat generation would be a problem from such intense ultrasound involvement from a cell disruptor, but having the solution in ice and pulsing should over come this problem, eh? doug
Re: CSchiggers
I know heat works well for mosquito bites. Maybe it would work for the chigger bites. Heat as hot as you can stand without burning yourself, of course, until the itch is gone. Dan On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 4:19 AM, Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net wrote: Household Ammonia...helps. Itch Stick...silver gel. Don't know if ANYTHING will remedy that...YOW...been there!! Ode At 06:44 AM 6/22/2010 -0400, you wrote: My husband came home from a trip with a nasty bunch of chigger bites all over. Anyone know of a remedy? Thanks, Paula -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Neville: Than you for that!
My sentiments exactly.
Dave
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.comwrote:
Funny you should mention 'patience'...mine's just run out!
Where the bloody hell's your off switch or button?
I unsubscribed from the OT List to get away from your mystical, magical
airy fairy stuff.
If I wanted a surmon I'd join a congregation {if I believed in that}. Take
it to the OT List, and take a copy of The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins
with you and gimme a break from these fairy tales.
# Apologies to the List owner, take whatever disciplinary action you deem
fit for this posting. #
N.
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:35:15 -0400
From: bodhisat...@mutemail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Life is a kind of mirror, a school of souls if you will, reflections of
that in ourselves which we love, and that which we need to improve on. It's
up to each of us to understand the purpose of these lessons, and that's the
intricacies of discovering our path. We're all like giant points of
attraction, there is a certain symbolical nature to life, like a dream.
So for example, years ago I examined all of my friends, and close family,
and found them all to be comedians, literally, I was around 'funny people'.
The lesson here was, bring out the funny in me, lighten the load, chill out,
enjoy the humorous side of life. For much of last year, I've had a
succession of people that demanded 'patience' come into my experience, and
therefore, I am going to assume that the lesson I needed to learn, is to be
more patient, which I worked on exhaustively last year..
If a person comes into your experience that does things that are pleasing
to you, and around you, then these are teachers there to show you an aspect
of yourself that you aren't aware of, or need to cultivate. If someone
appears that does something that infuriates you, consistently, then these
are teachers to show you aspects of yourself that aren't in control, and
need addressing. I know a lady(not on this list) that is very antagonistic,
and thinks everyone is a smartass, when in reality, she's the one that has a
highly antagonistic tone, and is being shown aspects of herself that aren't
in harmony, and need addressing. If someone is opinionated, and bossy, they
will find these aspects all around them, people they meet will appear so.
That's the riddle of life, the great dissonance that precludes true
understanding of this process, our ancestors understood, we do not.
An example of this, one day a few weeks ago I was in a hurry, rushing
around, and feeling rushed, and in the mood to push people out of my way to
get what I needed to get done. I took my son to Subway for a bite to eat,
but on the way there, I was bombarded with a succession of cars cutting me
off, or swerving into my lane. At Subway, there was a pushy lady with pushy
kids behind us, pushing us away from ordering, being totally obnoxious,
screaming into her cell phone, and acting like she was a pharoah or
something. I realized fairly quickly, this is what I was resonating with,
and therefore, this is all I would attract. I changed my frequency - like a
radio station to be one of love, and those hurried, arrogant people were
replaced by compassionate ones. The people didn't disappear, they just sort
of collected with another set of people or persons, their paths did not
cross mine any longer. This is, the power of intention, it's a survival
skill, a great teacher.
Once this process is understood, you can become a great counselor for
others, because finding the things that need addressing is simply a matter
of looking at what is happening around them, then pointing the symbology out
to them for addressing. Sometimes, we find that physical symptoms are great
teachers as well, and that symptoms can often be indications of emotions, or
thoughts that need addressing. One of the greatest health tonics available,
is to understand this, accept responsibility for it, and stop handing power
over to specific pathogens. They are there to address something, not the
cause, the result of. A compost bin attracts bacteria not because it is a
compost bin, but because of the rotting trash inside of the compost bin.
*All judgment reveals itself to be self-judgment in the end, and when this
is understood a larger comprehension of the nature of life takes its place.
-David R. Hawkins*
Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
I don't enjoy being lectured by someone who is very opinionated and bossy. I
don't consider some of your beliefs to be in any way either logical or
possible, but have refrained from saying so because I believe we are all
entitled to believe what we want. Kindly just carry on believing what you
want, but allow me to do the same. dee
On 21 Jun 2010, at 21:08, bodhisattva wrote:
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
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not worthy, let your peace return to you. And whosoever shall not
receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or
city, shake off the dust of your feet/*.*/ /* */-Matthew 10/*
Dave Darrin wrote:
Neville: Than you for that!
My sentiments exactly.
Dave
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Re: CSCS - Chiggers -local antihistamine - ant bites etc
The MAIN reason i suggested ES in a hot bath was #1...it works and #2 if you get them like we do here in the deep south, they are really packed in the groin area, under the arm pits, behind knees...you get the picture. I would hate to have to put tooth paste, nail polish, etc in all the many, many places they hang out. Hope your hubby is much better with whatever road he chose to travel with itchy problem. Edith
CSChiggers -local antihistamine - ant bites etc
Somewhere I read Listerine helps instantaneously for chigger bites. Have no idea, as it was a while back that I came upon that info. I just have it taped to the inside of my closet where I keep the stuff. sMax
Re: CSchiggers
Ode Coyote wrote: Nobody has ever seen a chigger...except with a microscope. On a Heartland series last week they were out in the field. The guy with the host brushed some tall grass over a white sheet of cardboard and then pointed out a bunch of dark dots on the cardboard and said they were chiggers. They were reasonably easy to see on the TV and the host said he could see them, but they were very small. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #591
I just received an email from Dr. Levy in reply to a question I asked him about lecithin and vitamin C. He said that he doubted my jewelry cleaner would encapsulate Vitamin C, as is necessary to receive the benefits. Who devised the procedure of using the jewelry cleaner, and what assurance is there that it is actually encapsulating the vitamin C? It tastes bad, so it must be good. Right? Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSDigest V2010 #591/Liposomal Vitamin C
[Dick Rochon] I just received an email from Dr. Levy in reply to a question I asked him about lecithin and vitamin C. He said that he doubted my jewelry cleaner would encapsulate Vitamin C, as is necessary to receive the benefits. Who devised the procedure of using the jewelry cleaner, and what assurance is there that it is actually encapsulating the vitamin C? It tastes bad, so it must be good. Right? = Dick, Brooks Bradley did extensive research on this and I trust his conclusions. My limited experience with this procedure is that it works. Even using liquid lecithin, I was able to consume much more Vitamin C powder without bowel irritation than I would have been able to without encapsulating it in lecithin first. Nenah
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Re: CSliposomes ultrasonic cleaners
I too would like the answers to these questions Doug. I don't think the heat thing would be a problem because the heating is minimal, I believe it is only high heat which destroys Vit C, but it would be nice to *know*. dee On 23 Jun 2010, at 15:01, polo wrote: I have been doing some study on the mechanics of ultrasonic cleaners in relation to liposomes and I am curious of some of the ramifications: 1) Ultrasonic cleaners work by producing alternating low and high sound waves. The unit I am using does 50/60 Hz. The low phase produces the bubble and the high phase implodes the bubbles which produces the cleaning action so desired in such cleaners. Question: I can see the low phase producing liposomes, but how are the liposomes immune to the high phase that normally ruptures bubbles? 2) Using the cheap harbor freight ultrasonic cleaner, it is recommended to stir the solution and that the more shallow the solution, the higher the quality of liposome. Is stirring really necessary as it is so time consuming? It seems to me that the solution has natural movement all by itself from the production of the ultrasonic waves. 3) It is suggested that the best cavitation of the solution in the ultrasonic cleaner occurs when the solution is warm, plus the cavittion produces heat too. How much danger is this produced heat from ultrasonic wave production to ascorbic acid or the ascorbates' integrity over a long period of time? Is it minimal? One would logically conclude that the more heat produced, the more energetic the cavitation---would one not? If this is true, would it not be more efficient to produce liposomes with specialized instruments like sonifiers (pulsing and placing the lipo-C in ice water to keep temps low)? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #591
It was Brooks and it was tested at his laboratory. dee On 23 Jun 2010, at 19:15, Dick Rochon wrote: I just received an email from Dr. Levy in reply to a question I asked him about lecithin and vitamin C. He said that he doubted my jewelry cleaner would encapsulate Vitamin C, as is necessary to receive the benefits. Who devised the procedure of using the jewelry cleaner, and what assurance is there that it is actually encapsulating the vitamin C? It tastes bad, so it must be good. Right? Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDigest V2010 #591/Liposomal Vitamin C
Nenah: Did you get the raw sunflower lecithin to work? I bought some of that too, and it is so thick and gummy I wonder how to dissolve it? Tastes great, though. Del - Original Message - From: Nenah Sylver To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 2:19 PM Subject: RE: CSDigest V2010 #591/Liposomal Vitamin C [Dick Rochon] I just received an email from Dr. Levy in reply to a question I asked him about lecithin and vitamin C. He said that he doubted my jewelry cleaner would encapsulate Vitamin C, as is necessary to receive the benefits. Who devised the procedure of using the jewelry cleaner, and what assurance is there that it is actually encapsulating the vitamin C? It tastes bad, so it must be good. Right? = Dick, Brooks Bradley did extensive research on this and I trust his conclusions. My limited experience with this procedure is that it works. Even using liquid lecithin, I was able to consume much more Vitamin C powder without bowel irritation than I would have been able to without encapsulating it in lecithin first. Nenah
Re: CSDigest V2010 #591/Liposomal Vitamin C
SupposedlymBrooks documented his liposomal results via electron microscope viewing of the finished solution. However, in all of the liposomal books I have tried to study, no where does it seem to be that easy in the lab to produce a liposome. The lab procedures seems quite complicated. Wonder why? Maybe the average lab needs are more complicated for a specific type of liposome? doug
Re: CSliposomes ultrasonic cleaners
polo wrote: I have been doing some study on the mechanics of ultrasonic cleaners in relation to liposomes and I am curious of some of the ramifications: 1) Ultrasonic cleaners work by producing alternating low and high sound waves. The unit I am using does 50/60 Hz. The low phase produces the bubble and the high phase implodes the bubbles which produces the cleaning action so desired in such cleaners. Question: I can see the low phase producing liposomes, but how are the liposomes immune to the high phase that normally ruptures bubbles? 50/60 Hz is the line frequency the unit is specified to work with, what comes in the power cord. That is on the low end of the audio spectrum, not the high. Cleaners typically run between 20 and 30 KHz, which is above the range of hearing. The movement is basically sinusoidal, thus the amount of time above the baseline is equal to the amount under the baseline. The word phase in such a situation would refer to the difference in the angle between two waves and does not apply to these cleaners at all. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSliposomes ultrasonic cleaners
Oh, I forgot to include one other musing on this subject. I have a vitamix blender and wonder how effective such a blender would be on producing liposomes? Note that the vitamix is no ordinary blender! Blades reach 264 mph one way and they can be instantaeously reversed at the same speed to produce a blade affect collisions in excess of 500 mph. Also, the vitamix can generate so much turbulance, it can reach cooking temperatures in minutes. This is certainly no ordinary run of the mill kitchen blender. It seems to me that the vitamix performance might approach the advertised pressures/forces of Livon Lab's 1700 psi liposomal making procedure though I don't know how to equate mph vs psi? Granted, the vitamix because it can produce high temps, one would need to use care to make lip-C via pulsing and other ways, but that is easy to get around, I should think. doug
Re: CSliposomes ultrasonic cleaners
Ok, thanks for that info, but nevertheless, this tidbit does not change the fact that ultrasonic cleaners are designed to have a low and high phase. How can a liposome be immune from rupture, by the tough phospholipids membrane when compared to the ordinary bubble?? doug - Original Message - 50/60 Hz is the line frequency the unit is specified to work with, what comes in the power cord. That is on the low end of the audio spectrum, not the high. Cleaners typically run between 20 and 30 KHz, which is above the range of hearing. The movement is basically sinusoidal, thus the amount of time above the baseline is equal to the amount under the baseline. The word phase in such a situation would refer to the difference in the angle between two waves and does not apply to these cleaners at all. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSliposomes ultrasonic cleaners
By virtue of their relative sizes? Dan On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:40 PM, polo dah...@centurytel.net wrote: Ok, thanks for that info, but nevertheless, this tidbit does not change the fact that ultrasonic cleaners are designed to have a low and high phase. How can a liposome be immune from rupture, by the tough phospholipids membrane when compared to the ordinary bubble?? doug - Original Message - 50/60 Hz is the line frequency the unit is specified to work with, what comes in the power cord. That is on the low end of the audio spectrum, not the high. Cleaners typically run between 20 and 30 KHz, which is above the range of hearing. The movement is basically sinusoidal, thus the amount of time above the baseline is equal to the amount under the baseline. The word phase in such a situation would refer to the difference in the angle between two waves and does not apply to these cleaners at all. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSliposomes ultrasonic cleaners
I have a vitamix blender and wonder how effective such a blender would be on producing liposomes? Note that the vitamix is no ordinary blender! Blades reach 264 mph one way and they can be instantaeously reversed at the same speed to produce a blade affect collisions in excess of 500 mph. . . . It seems to me that the vitamix performance might approach the advertised pressures/forces of Livon Lab's 1700 psi liposomal making procedure though I don't know how to equate mph vs psi? Granted, the vitamix because it can produce high temps, one would need to use care to make lip-C via pulsing and other ways, but that is easy to get around, I should think. = Doug, Someone wrote me privately and said he got good results with his VitaMix. People who took his Lip. C. made in the VitaMix got better. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD electromedicine specialist and author The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009) The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy (2004) http://www.nenahsylver.com www.nenahsylver.com _ From: polo [mailto:dah...@centurytel.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSliposomes ultrasonic cleaners Oh, I forgot to include one other musing on this subject. doug
RE: CSDigest V2010 #591/Liposomal Vitamin C
Did you get the raw sunflower lecithin to work? I bought some of that too, and it is so thick and gummy I wonder how to dissolve it? Tastes great, though. Del == Yeah, I kind of got it to work. I have made two batches so far. In the first batch, all the lumps/strings dissolved after about a day or so in the frig. With the second batch, there were some heavier solids that separated, but I still feel I derived some benefit. I decided that to maximize my efforts, I should really get soy lecithin, as long as it wasn't made from GMOs. (Sunflower lecithin is only made in liquids so far.) So I went to Whole Foods. The price was shocking-over $20 for one pound! So I'll have to order it from someplace. Anyone have a less expensive product that's NOT GMO that they can recommend? By the way, the liquid lecithin won't go to waste. It can be mixed in with peanut butter or anything else fatty and it helps emulsify it. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD electromedicine specialist and author The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009) The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy (2004) http://www.nenahsylver.com www.nenahsylver.com
RE: CSliposomes ultrasonic cleaners
Doug, I am not an expert but here is my opinion on your questions. 1) I think that your ultrasonic transducer operates at a frequency around 42 kHz and not 50/60 Hz. The bubbles that rupture are bubbles of gas. The liposome bubbles that form consist of a phospholipid shell with a water center. Since the liposome bubble is not gaseous it does not rupture in the same way that gas bubbles do. That does not mean that shear forces do not rupture some lipisomes but I expect that the liposomes reform after the shear forces go away. 2) The ultrasonic waves apply shear forces to break the lecithin into individual phospholipids that will then form liposomes See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liposome It should be noted that formation of liposomes and nanoliposomes is not a spontaneous process. Lipid vesicles are formed when phospholipids such as lecithin are placed in water and consequently form one bilayer or a series of bilayers, each separated by water molecules, once enough energy is supplied [8]. Liposomes can be created by sonicating phospholipids in water[3]. Low shear rates create multilamellar liposomes, which have many layers like an onion. Continued high-shear sonication tends to form smaller unilamellar liposomes. In this technique, the liposome contents are the same as the contents of the aqueous phase. As the article states, low shear rates create multilamellar liposomes, which have many layers like an onion. The goal is to generate high shear rates to create small liposomes. This can be done in small ultrasonic cleaners as well as in large ultrasonic cleaners. The shear rate is proportional to the energy in the solution and is usually defined by the watts/volume the transducer produces. You can adjust the watts/volume by simply by changing the amount of solution you put in the ultrasonic cleaner. The reason for the stirring is that standing waves generally form in the solution. This is evidenced by ripples on the top of the solution. If the ripples are stationary. Then the desired shear forces are not moving through the solution but are stationary. To evenly apply the shear forces to all the lecithin, you must then move the lecithin around by stirring. 3) The ultrasonic cleaner is a form of sonication. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonication Sonication is the act of applying sound (usually ultrasound) energy to agitate particles in a sample, for various purposes. In the laboratory, it is usually applied using an ultrasonic bath or an ultrasonic probe, colloquially known as a sonicator. 4) Yes, gas in the solution reduces the effectiveness of the process because the gas bubbles absorb some of the ultrasonic energy. I don't know how long it takes to degas a solution but using distilled water for the solution will reduce the amount of dissolved gasses in the solution you start with. - Steve N From: polo [mailto:dah...@centurytel.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 7:02 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSliposomes ultrasonic cleaners I have been doing some study on the mechanics of ultrasonic cleaners in relation to liposomes and I am curious of some of the ramifications: 1) Ultrasonic cleaners work by producing alternating low and high sound waves. The unit I am using does 50/60 Hz. The low phase produces the bubble and the high phase implodes the bubbles which produces the cleaning action so desired in such cleaners. Question: I can see the low phase producing liposomes, but how are the liposomes immune to the high phase that normally ruptures bubbles? 2) Using the cheap harbor freight ultrasonic cleaner, it is recommended to stir the solution and that the more shallow the solution, the higher the quality of liposome. Is stirring really necessary as it is so time consuming? It seems to me that the solution has natural movement all by itself from the production of the ultrasonic waves. 3) It is suggested that the best cavitation of the solution in the ultrasonic cleaner occurs when the solution is warm, plus the cavittion produces heat too. How much danger is this produced heat from ultrasonic wave production to ascorbic acid or the ascorbates' integrity over a long period of time? Is it minimal? One would logically conclude that the more heat produced, the more energetic the cavitation---would one not? If this is true, would it not be more efficient to produce liposomes with specialized instruments like sonifiers (pulsing and placing the lipo-C in ice water to keep temps low)? 4) It sounds to me that the longer one can run your lipo-C solution in a ultrasonic cleaner the better the quality of liposomes according to some of Brooks' later posts, however there is what is known as degassing in ultrasonic cleaning. Many instruction manuals for cleaners will advise you to de-gas your solution from 5-10 minutes before actually starting the cleaning process. Degassing is the initial removal of gases present in the
Re: CSDigest V2010 #591/Liposomal Vitamin C
This is what we use, usually: http://www.swansonvitamins.com/NWF133/ItemDetail Del - Original Message - From: Nenah Sylver To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: RE: CSDigest V2010 #591/Liposomal Vitamin C Did you get the raw sunflower lecithin to work? I bought some of that too, and it is so thick and gummy I wonder how to dissolve it? Tastes great, though. Del == Yeah, I kind of got it to work. I have made two batches so far. In the first batch, all the lumps/strings dissolved after about a day or so in the frig. With the second batch, there were some heavier solids that separated, but I still feel I derived some benefit. I decided that to maximize my efforts, I should really get soy lecithin, as long as it wasn't made from GMOs. (Sunflower lecithin is only made in liquids so far.) So I went to Whole Foods. The price was shocking-over $20 for one pound! So I'll have to order it from someplace. Anyone have a less expensive product that's NOT GMO that they can recommend? By the way, the liquid lecithin won't go to waste. It can be mixed in with peanut butter or anything else fatty and it helps emulsify it. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD electromedicine specialist and author The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009) The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy (2004) www.nenahsylver.com
Re: CSDigest V2010 #591/Liposomal Vitamin C
I'm curious, Brooks is doing all of this research, surely he must publish or document it somehow somewhere? If not, what's the point? Alan On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:23 PM, polo dah...@centurytel.net wrote: SupposedlymBrooks documented his liposomal results via electron microscope viewing of the finished solution. However, in all of the liposomal books I have tried to study, no where does it seem to be that easy in the lab to produce a liposome. The lab procedures seems quite complicated. Wonder why? Maybe the average lab needs are more complicated for a specific type of liposome? doug -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)
CSTriple Boron Complex
I finally got around to ordering some Boron in pill form from Swanson's. Seems to work (for arthritis symptoms). So much more convenient and better tasting than Borax... Not too expensive either. Dan Swanson Premium Triple Boron Complex Swanson $4.49 Item #: SW599 Availability: In Stock 3 mg 250 Caps Caps size = 3* Special formula combines three forms of boron for maximum bioavailability Provides trace mineral support for strong, healthy bones Features boron citrate, apartate and glycinate -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDigest V2010 #591/Liposomal Vitamin C
Beats me. I asked once and got no reply. As far as I know, the silver list archives are the only record. Dan On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Alan Jones alanmjo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious, Brooks is doing all of this research, surely he must publish or document it somehow somewhere? If not, what's the point? Alan On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:23 PM, polo dah...@centurytel.net wrote: SupposedlymBrooks documented his liposomal results via electron microscope viewing of the finished solution. However, in all of the liposomal books I have tried to study, no where does it seem to be that easy in the lab to produce a liposome. The lab procedures seems quite complicated. Wonder why? Maybe the average lab needs are more complicated for a specific type of liposome? doug -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSbasics for making CS
It has been a long time since we posted the very basics for making CS using the 3 nines and distilled water. Also, who on the list has available the needed . silver? My computer crashed and I lost all the info I had collected. Will you please help? Thanks a million. M,G.N. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDigest V2010 #591/Liposomal Vitamin C
check his site - he has alot of information there Regards Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSliposomes ultrasonic cleaners
I think some clarification might help, polo. Are you saying the US cleaner cycles between low amplitude and high amplitude, or switches between two different oscillator frequencies? The switching, whatever it is, you imply takes place at the 60 hz line frequency, which would certainly simplify circuit design. Your use of the word 'phase' was just to refer to the two states the drivers switch between, right? Sometimes you have to read a little deeper between the lines, Marshall. grin Mike D. Ok, thanks for that info, but nevertheless, this tidbit does not change the fact that ultrasonic cleaners are designed to have a low and high phase. How can a liposome be immune from rupture, by the tough phospholipids membrane when compared to the ordinary bubble?? doug - Original Message - 50/60 Hz is the line frequency the unit is specified to work with, what comes in the power cord. That is on the low end of the audio spectrum, not the high. Cleaners typically run between 20 and 30 KHz, which is above the range of hearing. The movement is basically sinusoidal, thus the amount of time above the baseline is equal to the amount under the baseline. The word phase in such a situation would refer to the difference in the angle between two waves and does not apply to these cleaners at all. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
CSQuestions about Brooks, Liposomal Vitamin C
Alan Jones wrote: I'm curious, Brooks is doing all of this research, surely he must publish or document it somehow somewhere? If not, what's the point? Dan Nave replies: Beats me. I asked once and got no reply. As far as I know, the silver list archives are the only record. Obviously, Brooks will speak for himself if he is available and able, but in the interim, I'll try to give you some perspective on his reports of findings of various research efforts, including Liposomal Encapsulation Technology for low-end producers and users. Brooks is a principal in a non-profit, private organization called the Harborne Research Foundation... If I recall correctly, their major area of specialization is in environmental remediation technologies and various aspects of animal welfare and habitat. You won't find much about them on the Internet because they decided at one point back in the '90's that they didn't require or desire all that much publicity and actually eliminated their even then modest web presence. Along the way, members of his organization have frequently engaged in side projects involving alternative approaches to medical and health challenges that were of personal or professional interest to various individuals. These are not the primary focus of their research, and the foundation has never engaged in giving medical advice in any form. The results were not formally published, but often represented quite useful information. As Dan suggests, I believe the Silver List is one of very few places where Brooks (or anyone else) ever shared these findings. Within the last several years, Brooks has grieved the passing of his close associate and friend, Mr. Harborne, and he and his wife have endured the total loss of their home, with nearly all of their records, in a tragic fire. Despite unusually robust health for a man of his age, he is becoming quite advanced in years and, necessarily, his stamina and capacity for dealing with correspondence are both waning. So saying, I would look upon Brooks' track record for sharing valuable and important results based on his and his associates researches and assume on that basis that his recommendations regarding lipospheric encapsulation methods for do-it-yourselfers offer a very good clue as to worthwhile future research directions. Unless he is forthcoming with further information, however, I suspect that it will fall to other individuals to advance this work, based on the trail blazed by Brooks and his associates. I hope that presents a fairly accurate assessment that will enable all concerned to adjust their expectations accordingly. I don't speak for Brooks, but am only reporting what I know from my recollection of his writings and superficial review of the list archives. Be well! Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSliposomes ultrasonic cleaners
I believe that Doug is referring to the rarefaction and compression phases of the ultrasonic wave in the cleaning solution. - Steve N http://www.blackstone-ney.com/pdfs/T_Fundamentals.pdf In elastic media such as air and most solids, there is a continuous transition as a sound wave is transmitted. In non-elastic media such as water and most liquids, there is continuous transition as long as the amplitude or loudness of the sound is relatively low. As amplitude is increased, however, the magnitude of the negative pressure in the areas of rarefaction eventually becomes sufficient to cause the liquid to fracture because of the negative pressure, causing a phenomenon known as cavitation. Cavitation bubbles are created at sites of rarefaction as the liquid fractures or tears because of the negative pressure of the sound wave in the liquid. As the wave fronts pass, the cavitation bubbles oscillate under the influence of positive pressure, eventually growing to an unstable size. Finally, the violent collapse of the cavitation bubbles results in implosions, which cause shock waves to be radiated from the sites of the collapse. The collapse and implosion of myriad cavitation bubbles throughout an ultrasonically activated liquid result in the effect commonly associated with ultrasonics. It has been calculated that temperatures in excess of 10,000°F and pressures in excess of 10,000 PSI are generated at the implosion sites of cavitation bubbles. -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:13 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSliposomes ultrasonic cleaners I think some clarification might help, polo. Are you saying the US cleaner cycles between low amplitude and high amplitude, or switches between two different oscillator frequencies? The switching, whatever it is, you imply takes place at the 60 hz line frequency, which would certainly simplify circuit design. Your use of the word 'phase' was just to refer to the two states the drivers switch between, right? Sometimes you have to read a little deeper between the lines, Marshall. grin Mike D. Ok, thanks for that info, but nevertheless, this tidbit does not change the fact that ultrasonic cleaners are designed to have a low and high phase. How can a liposome be immune from rupture, by the tough phospholipids membrane when compared to the ordinary bubble?? doug - Original Message - 50/60 Hz is the line frequency the unit is specified to work with, what comes in the power cord. That is on the low end of the audio spectrum, not the high. Cleaners typically run between 20 and 30 KHz, which is above the range of hearing. The movement is basically sinusoidal, thus the amount of time above the baseline is equal to the amount under the baseline. The word phase in such a situation would refer to the difference in the angle between two waves and does not apply to these cleaners at all. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
Re: CSinteraction....
That is a broad and poorly defind question but I am not aware of an interaction between silver and any medications except that it increases the effectiveness of some antibiotics. I vaguely recall a possible interaction with lithium based meds. It can also form an insoluble compound with some types of selenium. CS has also been shown to inactivate the HIV-1 virus. - Steve N From: ATOMICSILVER atomicsil...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed Jun 23 13:24:47 2010 Subject: CSinteraction Hi List - Are you aware of the effects of collodial silver/retroviral drug interaction. Or perhaps you can forward me to site that would have that info. Again your help is much apprecated Ken Kapinski ATOMICSILVER atomicsil...@gmail.com www.atomicsilver.info
Re: CSbasics for making CS
In a message dated 6/23/2010 5:59:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
magenor...@superpa.net writes:
It has been a long time since we posted the very basics for making CS
using
the 3 nines and distilled water. Also, who on the list has available the
needed . silver? My computer crashed and I lost all the info I had
collected. Will you please help? Thanks a million. M,G.N.
Hi, I use 4 nines.. Got everything I needed from _Colloidal Silver Starter
Kit_ (http://atlasnova.com/ColloidalSilverStarterKit.htm) It is a very
simple set up.. No auto shut off or anything like that but works really
great.. I had several batches I made with it tested by a friend that works at
an
environmental Lab in Buffalo..All turned out in the area of 10 - 15 ppm .
Which I have used many many times to cure shingles, ear infections in one
of our pups--etc. etc..etc...I used the plans I got with the setup went to
Radio Shack---got what I needed made another one.. Had to order the 10 g
silver wire but got everything else I needed at R. S. I think I'll try
the Canadian Maple leaf coins next.. {{ just for fun}} :-) Lois
If you want the auto shut off I think the silver puppy is a good
one---
Re: CSbasics for making CS
In a message dated 6/23/2010 5:59:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, magenor...@superpa.net writes: It has been a long time since we posted the very basics for making CS using the 3 nines and distilled water. Also, who on the list has available the needed . silver? My computer crashed and I lost all the info I had collected. Will you please help? Thanks a million. M,G.N. Sorry, forgot--some good sites for info.--1.-_Index of /cs_notes Wayne's_ (http://www.fugitt.com/cs_notes/) 2._www.atlasnova.com ..._ (http://atlasnova.com/)3._How to Make a Do It Yourself Colloidal Silver Generator that Creates Small Part_ (http://www.chetday.com/colloidalsilvergenerator.htm) 4._Colloidal Silver Secrets bl_ (http://www.colloidalsilversecrets.blogspot.com/) _og_ (http://www.colloidalsilversecrets.blogspot.com/) 5._Colloidal Silver Info_ (http://atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm) 6. _REPORTED USES OF COLLOIDAL SILVER_ (http://altered-states.net/barry/news letter277/index.htm) 7._Healing With Colloidal Silver_ (http://www.your-healing.com/ColloidalSilver.html) 8._Encouraging Colloidal Silver Education: An Essential Understanding_ (http://www.colloidalsilver101.com/colloidal_silver.html?source=overtureOVRAW=c olloidal%20silver%20groupsOVKEY=colloidal%20silver%20informationOVMTC=adva ncedOVADID=5664718012OVKWID=35863065012) 9._Medical Colloidal Silver: Colloids | Ions Charged Particles | Information |_ (http://www.silvermedicine.org/) Where to get silver puppy---_Coyote ZEnterprise Silver Puppy Colloidal Silver Generator_ (http://www.silvermedicine.org/silverpuppy-generators.html)
CSsilver and DMSO
I want to mix the cs I made (10ppm) with DMSO to treat hoof and heel bulb fungus on my horse. What ratios do you advise? Does cs loose potency over time? Teresa -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsilver and DMSO
Hi Teresa -- glad to know there's someone else out there using CS for their horse! It's always been my understanding that CS doesn't work well on fungal infections, so I will be very interested in not only the responses to your question, but also in your results if you go ahead and try it anyway! To answer your other question -- CS can lose a couple of ppm's within a day or two of being brewed, but thereafter is very stable. So you shouldn't lose any potency over time. MA From: Teresa Jessee tjes...@dishmail.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 8:03:11 PM Subject: CSsilver and DMSO I want to mix the cs I made (10ppm) with DMSO to treat hoof and heel bulb fungus on my horse. What ratios do you advise? Does cs loose potency over time? Teresa -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsilver and DMSO
Teresa, Welcome back. Did you try colloidal silver a couple months back when you first posted? I would use 20 to 30 percent DMSO. CS does not lose effectiveness over time if made properly. Good luck with your horse. - Steve N - Original Message - From: Teresa Jessee tjes...@dishmail.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed Jun 23 20:03:11 2010 Subject: CSsilver and DMSO I want to mix the cs I made (10ppm) with DMSO to treat hoof and heel bulb fungus on my horse. What ratios do you advise? Does cs loose potency over time? Teresa -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
