date:20101015

I do.
PT
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  ARE YOU ENSCAPSULATING WITH LECITIN, ULTRASONICALLY?

Re: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others

2010-10-15 Thread GLENDAJMASON

ARE YOU ENSCAPSULATING WITH LECITIN, ULTRASONICALLY?

Re: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others

2010-10-15 Thread Harold MacDonald

Yes;I use Lecithin granules,distilled water, using an ultrasonic jewelry 
cleaner.

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  ARE YOU ENSCAPSULATING WITH LECITIN, ULTRASONICALLY?

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Re: CSSpeaking of gels

Is it for mechanical conduction (ultrasonic waves) or is it for electrical
conduction?

Probably mechanical...

If so, I bet Ode's gel will work.  Add water and glycerine?

Dan

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote:

My question is about the electrode conducting gels.  I bought an
 ultrasonic handdeld device for working on my teeth (via outside the cheek)
 and haven't used it yet because it says to use a conducting gel with it.

 So I'm wondering if there's anything special about a conducting gel?  I
 have Ode's gel making kit that I have not used yet.  Will any gel work or do
 I need to buy gel made specifically for conduction?  Will plain water do, or
 does it need the gel to keep the skin 'wet' because with water only it could
 dry out during a 10 to 20 minute use?

 Samala,
 Renee

The Utopia Silver generator appears to be a (non current regulated) voltage
supply with a timer. Since CS or EIS making is notoriously variable, and as
the process with no current regulation increases its production of silver
output into the solution exponentially as the process continues, you can
easily overshoot the time when you should have stopped brewing and end up
with too strong of a silver solution. With that process, you don't know
what you have as an end product in terms of ppm of silver.

If you standardize your brewing process, always using the same brand of
distilled water at the same temperature, the same volume of water, and the
same time on the timer, you should be able to get a fairly consistent
product. If you change any of these variables you have to re-figure out
everything.

Try reducing the time until your final product just gets a slight yellow
tint, like diluted urine, when it is stabilized. You can either use this
timing, or back off slightly until you get a more colorless product.

Dan

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:27 AM, dingyun...@att.net wrote:

Hi, I also have Utopia silver and have same problem as
Melly. colored/cloudy. I noticed one rod was overly eroded gathering lots
fusses but other rod with smooth surface has no particles around. Is it
safe to drink the solution?

I wonder how do you clean the glass/rod before blewing? I use tap water to
clean then rinse with silver water. is it ok?

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From: jaxi jaxi.sch...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: CSRe: Help please
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 6:11 PM

Might help if you specify what brand maker you have or if you made it
yourself and if so batteries or AC current.

Of course I have been known to be wrong.

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Melly Bag
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wrote:

Hi Experts,

I brewed EIS today, the silver rods one inch apart. But i think it is
short from the bottom of the Ball quart jar. It is color brown and
cloudy again with plenty of silver floating on top and fuss at the bottom.
Worse still, first time it happened to me, while rinsing and cleaning the
rods, i noticed that one had a waist like it was overly eroded at that
part and ready to break off. The jar got very warm and so with the rods.

What did i do wrong?

Thanks.

Melly

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Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #834
To:
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Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 2:30 PM

CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #836

MaryAnn, Ode and Dee,
 
Thanks for your reply.
 
Ok, i will keep my electrodes further, bend the  ends also. I have also cut a 
new wire to make it longer.  I have a timer already set by Utopia. 
 
I will try again. I did not have this problems before.  Would the 
thickness/gauge of the wire make a difference?  I am using a gauge 10 now, 
pretty thick.  The new cut wire is gauge 14.
 
Thanks for your assistance.
 
Melly

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From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #836
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 9:59 AM

Re: CSRe: Help please

2010-10-15 Thread Marshall Dudley

 Since power is I*V then actually too much voltage across too little 
resistance, or too much current across too much resistance produces more 
power. The other formulas are I^2*R and V/(R^2)


On 10/15/2010 7:30 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:


  Too much current across too little resistance turns into heat.
Increasing distance between the electrodes increases resistance and 
reduces current.
There are easier ways to control current without using the constantly 
changing CS as the resistor..like, with a potentiometer, or a current 
control diode, a voltage regulator wired to be a current regulator, or 
transistor feedback circuit.

Then you need to know when to stop and a timer won't generally tell you
that.

If all this is over your head, you need a generator that does it for 
you, automatically.


Ode



At 03:54 PM 10/14/2010 -0700, you wrote:

Hi Experts,

I brewed EIS today, the silver rods one inch apart.  But i think it 
is short  from the bottom of the Ball quart jar.  It is color brown 
and cloudy again with plenty of silver floating on top and fuss at 
the bottom.  Worse still, first time it happened to me, while rinsing 
and cleaning the rods, i noticed that one had a waist like it was 
overly eroded at that part and ready to break off.  The jar got very 
warm and so with the rods.


What did i do wrong?

Thanks.

Melly



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silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com

Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #834
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 2:30 PM



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Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #836

2010-10-15 Thread MaryAnn Helland

Melly -- Dan made a very important point -- that the generator that you have is 
non-current regulated.  So you'll need to do more than move the electrodes, 
bend 
the ends and change the gauge of the wire -- you'll also need to monitor your 
product as it's brewing.  I'm not familiar with the timer provided by Utopia -- 
but if you're getting cloudy results, then the timer isn't working for you.  Do 
you by chance have a Hanna tester?  Using one of these would give you an idea 
of 
what ppm-level you're getting as you move forward in the brewing process.  Once 
you find out about how long it takes to get to the ppm-level that you're 
targeting, then you can set your timer to that amount of time.  I don't know 
why 
you weren't having problems like this before -- have you changed brands of 
distilled water?  Did you move your generator so that it's sitting in a warmer 
area?  Did you pre-heat the distilled water before brewing?  All of these 
things 
can change the speed at which the brewing process takes place.  


I'm no expert on this -- for that reason I have a generator that is automatic.  
That means that it turns itself off when the ppm-level that I want has been 
achieved.  I always get crystal-clear CS in the range of 10 ppms.  Ode sells a 
unit like this (Silverpuppy), and www.wishgranted.com sells one as well.  You 
might consider getting one of them, and using your Utopia unit as a back-up.  
FWIW.
MA 





From: Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 10:22:01 AM
Subject: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #836


MaryAnn, Ode and Dee,

Thanks for your reply.

Ok, i will keep my electrodes further, bend the  ends also. I have also cut a 
new wire to make it longer.  I have a timer already set by Utopia. 


I will try again. I did not have this problems before.  Would the 
thickness/gauge of the wire make a difference?  I am using a gauge 10 now, 
pretty thick.  The new cut wire is gauge 14.

Thanks for your assistance.

Melly

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silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote:


From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #836
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 9:59 AM

Re: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others

2010-10-15 Thread paul catania

Does anyone have any idea how one would go about encapsulating Virgin Coconut 
Oil?

Paul
  - Original Message - 
  From: Harold MacDonald 
  To: Silver list 
  Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 7:24 PM
  Subject: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others

  So far I have encapsulated Vit.C as Sodium ascorbate OK.
  And  L-Glutathione too.I am of the mind that whatever you want to encapsulate 
, should dissolve wholly in Distilled water ,not just float around.This is my 
feeling on it,I may well be wrong.Also I would not use just any 
water,ie,tap,etc as this is going to by-pass the normal gastric controls and go 
directly to the cells.If there are impurities in the raw water,it  may well end 
up in the cells doing who knows what kind of damage.
  I  would not risk it myself.
  For Serrapeptase  to be effective it may have to be some-what processed in 
the digestive system to a certain degree.
  I am using it now just as a regular supplement and so far am satisfied with 
the results.

  Harold

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CSCleaning jar...

2010-10-15 Thread M. G. Devour

Another suggestion for you, Melly...

If you've started to get enough plating out of silver on the inside of
the jar that it might be lowering the resistance seen by the power
supply and boosting the current to unreasonable levels... you should be
able to remove it by rinsing the jar with hydrogen peroxide.

Just a dollop of the standard stuff from the drug store, followed with
a few swishes of distilled, should eliminate any conductive coating
from the inside of the jar. Repeat occasionally.

Best of luck to you.

Mike D.

 MaryAnn, Ode and Dee,
  
 Thanks for your reply.
  
 Ok, i will keep my electrodes further, bend the  ends also. I have also
 cut a new wire to make it longer.  I have a timer already set by Utopia.
   I will try again. I did not have this problems before.  Would the
 thickness/gauge of the wire make a difference?  I am using a gauge 10
 now, pretty thick.  The new cut wire is gauge 14.   Thanks for your
 assistance.   Melly

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 #836 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 9:59
 AM



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Re: CSRe: Help please

The other thing, as several people have noted, is that if if the process
worked previously and none of your conditions have changed (same type and
amount of water, same amount of brewing time, etc) then check for
contamination of the wires or the jar from touching with your fingers, etc.
In other words, don't touch any of these things with your bare fingers, and
clean them with hydrogen peroxide and rinse with distilled water. Use plain
white paper towels to clean or touch the electrodes or jar.

Dan

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote:

Dan

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:27 AM, dingyun...@att.net wrote:

I wonder how do you clean the glass/rod before blewing? I use tap water
to clean then rinse with silver water. is it ok?

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From: jaxi jaxi.sch...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: CSRe: Help please
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 6:11 PM

Might help if you specify what brand maker you have or if you made it
yourself and if so batteries or AC current.

Of course I have been known to be wrong.

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Melly Bag
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wrote:

Hi Experts,

What did i do wrong?

Thanks.

Melly

Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #834
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CSFw: Questions about making colloidal silver

2010-10-15 Thread Gene and Joann Porter

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Thank you so much.
Gene
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Subject: Questions about making colloidal silver

We have been trying to make colloidal silver using Mr. Jefferson's recipe in 
Colloidal Silver Today.  We have not been able to make it in less than one hour.

Does anyone have a simpler recipe for making it at home?

Will appreciate any help you can give me.

Thank you.

G. Porter, g...@teknett.com

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2010-10-15 Thread Gene and Joann Porter

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Thank you so much.
Gene
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Subject: Questions about making colloidal silver

We have been trying to make colloidal silver using Mr. Jefferson's recipe in 
Colloidal Silver Today.  We have not been able to make it in less than one hour.

Does anyone have a simpler recipe for making it at home?

Will appreciate any help you can give me.

Thank you.

G. Porter, g...@teknett.com

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CSOT - Jaxi and jaw stuff response to Melly

I'll let the science geeks answer the technical stuff ...

As for my jaw/teeth/sinuses ... are you referring to my post some time ago
about the infection I got post having my old fillings replaced?  I did end
up doing a round of antibiotics - I wish I had found the microelectricity
before I did that but hey, live and learn and keep on keeping on ...
although they helped with the major infection issue in my parotid gland they
also caused a cascade of other stuff but I'll live

Since then here is what I have found works for me ... I made some
microelectricity devices ... I use a 3V one on the jaw/sinus area (the 6V
was too strong for me causing eye flashes I didn't like) ... if I use it
every night I sleep well, have much less TMJD pain, less trigeminal nerve
type pain, and my sinuses do not fill up overnight (ie ... I can breath - at
night and during the day) ... AND I am getting even fewer migraines.  If I
skip nights the pain starts inching up again and the sinuses start to fill
(although not as bad as they used to).  I have not given it long enough ...
enough days in a row to truly kill the problem germs/infection so when I get
lazy and don't do it every day they start to build again.  The 6V might do
it faster, but I really found the eye flashes disconcerting.

People have found the microelectricity to be successful for nixing
periodontal issues.  I have noticed I seem to have zero plaque tartar issues
since starting with it.  My teeth feel smooth all day.  I have never really
had gum issues and my tests where they measure pocket depth or whatever that
is called have always been in the good range with little to no bleeding.

Jaxi

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com wrote:

   Jaxi,

 Thanks.  I use AC and i bought this generator from Utopia Silver.  It is
 the Silver Bullet one.

 I don't encounter this problem with my silvergen6, which is all clear, but
 i think it is more ionic and i don't know if it has colloidal silver in it.

 BTW, Jaxi, i've meant to ask you, how is your jaw/gum doing? I  have the
 same problem as yours except mine is on the right side.  Been to the dentist
 today and all he gave me is a gum wash to disinfect.  The oral rinse
 literature said it can cause darkening of teeth (how  nice...i got some
 crowns which i don't want to discolor - too expensive to replace).

 Melly

 **


 From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
 Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #835
 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
 Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 9:18 PM

Re: CSSilver gel

2010-10-15 Thread Sandee George

Hi There Dave - I do not understand what you are talking about with  
the gel you say you make/made - I have been making Colloidal Silver  
gel for the past six years and have never had the problems you say you  
have, Ode has a
perfectly good gel kit for sale on his website, all you have to do is  
buy it, follow his directions by mixing it with colloidal silver (EIS)  
and you have a perfectly good gel.   This comment is not directed at  
your personally, how ever I observe many on this list in need of doing  
their own thing, when a perfectly good way has been achieved by many  
here over the years, who are the base for all we know and are able to  
share with those who wish to learn. However if there are those who are  
so into their egos that they cannot accept the work of others which  
has been perfected then so be it.   As a result of this observation  
there are many new-comers who are completely confused by all the ego  
suggestions !


Take good care and continue the good work you do
Regards
Sandee


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Re: CSIs the list quiet? No it is not - this one is re - Colloidal silver Aloe Gel - 15 Oct

2010-10-15 Thread Sandee George

Ode tell them to go to Australia, Melbourne to be specific, find a  
gentleman who used to have a very large business there making  
colloidal silver, colloidal silver gel as well as an aloe/colloidal  
silver gel - I cannot remember his name as I write this, however I  
went to his factory and met with him, he has now been shut down by the  
powers that be in that country as it happening just about everywhere -  
on we go 
Life never is dull, it simply gets more and more of a merry go round -  
called cycles !!!


Take good care of you
Regards
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Re: CSSpeaking of gels

2010-10-15 Thread Sandee George

What is a electrode conducting gel please ? You can make your own  
by buying Ode's gel kit following his instructions, put said gel on  
the electrodes and you have a gel - admittedly it will not last for  
more than one application, however if you really want to get the gel  
they use in hospitals for electrodes on an ECG eg. then get them from  
Hulda Clark she has them for her zappers - these last about three  
months if you care them !


Regards
Sandee


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Re: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others

2010-10-15 Thread Dick Rochon

Maybe you can encapsulate coconut milk, but not sure about the oil. Just try it.

 I have the big Harbor Freight Ultrasonic jewelry cleaner, and let it run 480 
seconds with Vit C and Glutathione. They work fine. I measured the Ph of the 
Vit C after adding the 3/4 tsp sodium bicarbonate, and it was still acidic, so 
I kept adding the soda until it read over 7. Not sure that is necessary, but it 
encapsulated ok. And the lecithin read about 7 before and after adding the Vit 
C.

I tried encapsulating magnesium chloride, but it didn't work. I am taking the 
magnesium chloride for hypertension and leg cramps, and am wondering if it 
would be more effective if it was encapsulated and went directly into the blood 
and cells where needed instead of through the digestive system.

Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.

Dick
  - Original Message - 
  From: paul catania 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 9:28 AM
  Subject: Re: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others


  Does anyone have any idea how one would go about encapsulating Virgin Coconut 
Oil?

  Paul
- Original Message - 
From: Harold MacDonald 
To: Silver list 
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 7:24 PM
Subject: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others


So far I have encapsulated Vit.C as Sodium ascorbate OK.
And  L-Glutathione too.I am of the mind that whatever you want to 
encapsulate , should dissolve wholly in Distilled water ,not just float 
around.This is my feeling on it,I may well be wrong.Also I would not use just 
any water,ie,tap,etc as this is going to by-pass the normal gastric controls 
and go directly to the cells.If there are impurities in the raw water,it  may 
well end up in the cells doing who knows what kind of damage.
I  would not risk it myself.
For Serrapeptase  to be effective it may have to be some-what processed in 
the digestive system to a certain degree.
I am using it now just as a regular supplement and so far am satisfied with 
the results.

Harold



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Re: CSOT - Jaxi and jaw stuff response to Melly

Hi Jaxi,
Have you looked into 'Inclined Bed Therapy'.  You can read about it at 
www.heal-me.com.au down on the bottom of the left side bar.  My sinuses have 
improved tremendously since I stopped lying flat.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: jaxi 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 3:26 PM
  Subject: CSOT - Jaxi and jaw stuff response to Melly

  I'll let the science geeks answer the technical stuff ...

  As for my jaw/teeth/sinuses ... are you referring to my post some time ago 
about the infection I got post having my old fillings replaced?  I did end up 
doing a round of antibiotics - I wish I had found the microelectricity before I 
did that but hey, live and learn and keep on keeping on ... although they 
helped with the major infection issue in my parotid gland they also caused a 
cascade of other stuff but I'll live

  Since then here is what I have found works for me ... I made some 
microelectricity devices ... I use a 3V one on the jaw/sinus area (the 6V was 
too strong for me causing eye flashes I didn't like) ... if I use it every 
night I sleep well, have much less TMJD pain, less trigeminal nerve type pain, 
and my sinuses do not fill up overnight (ie ... I can breath - at night and 
during the day) ... AND I am getting even fewer migraines.  If I skip nights 
the pain starts inching up again and the sinuses start to fill (although not as 
bad as they used to).  I have not given it long enough ... enough days in a row 
to truly kill the problem germs/infection so when I get lazy and don't do it 
every day they start to build again.  The 6V might do it faster, but I really 
found the eye flashes disconcerting.

  People have found the microelectricity to be successful for nixing 
periodontal issues.  I have noticed I seem to have zero plaque tartar issues 
since starting with it.  My teeth feel smooth all day.  I have never really had 
gum issues and my tests where they measure pocket depth or whatever that is 
called have always been in the good range with little to no bleeding.

  Jaxi

  On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Jaxi,

  Thanks.  I use AC and i bought this generator from Utopia Silver.  It 
is the Silver Bullet one. 

  I don't encounter this problem with my silvergen6, which is all 
clear, but i think it is more ionic and i don't know if it has colloidal silver 
in it.

  BTW, Jaxi, i've meant to ask you, how is your jaw/gum doing? I  have 
the same problem as yours except mine is on the right side.  Been to the 
dentist today and all he gave me is a gum wash to disinfect.  The oral rinse 
literature said it can cause darkening of teeth (how  nice...i got some crowns 
which i don't want to discolor - too expensive to replace).

  Melly

From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #835
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 9:18 PM

CSMMS

2010-10-15 Thread psteel5

Hi all

Question about mms. I meet someone that didn't activate the mms. He reason was 
that the stomach acid would activate it 

So he just put 6 drops in water and drank it. He thought klinghart did it this 
way as well

This guy is now well from lyme. Wondering if anyone else has use MMS this way

Thx all
Paul
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Re: CSMMS - Not ACtivated.

2010-10-15 Thread Steve G

Hi,

I take mms without activating it and find it's much easier to take.  My wife 
activates hers before she takes it because she is on ant-acid medications and 
figures she might not have any stomach acid to speak of and wants to be sure 
it's effective.

Steve

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Hi all

Question about mms. I meet someone that didn't activate the mms. He reason was 
that the stomach acid would activate it 

So he just put 6 drops in water and drank it. He thought klinghart did it this 
way as well

This guy is now well from lyme. Wondering if anyone else has use MMS this way

Thx all
Paul
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Re: CSMMS - Not ACtivated.

2010-10-15 Thread psteel5

Thx steve. Much appreciated
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Steve G chube...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 13:20:36 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMMS - Not ACtivated.

Hi,

I take mms without activating it and find it's much easier to take.  My wife 
activates hers before she takes it because she is on ant-acid medications and 
figures she might not have any stomach acid to speak of and wants to be sure 
it's effective.

Steve

--- On Fri, 10/15/10, pste...@yahoo.com pste...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi all

Question about mms. I meet someone that didn't activate the mms. He reason was 
that the stomach acid would activate it 

So he just put 6 drops in water and drank it. He thought klinghart did it this 
way as well

This guy is now well from lyme. Wondering if anyone else has use MMS this way

Thx all
Paul
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Re: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others

One thing I would be concerned about are the other things in the compound you 
are trying to encapsulate that you might not want to enter your blood stream 
directly.  Things like cellulose and other fillers and anti-caking agents.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dick Rochon 
  To: paul catania 
  Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 3:59 PM
  Subject: Re: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others

  Maybe you can encapsulate coconut milk, but not sure about the oil. Just try 
it.

   I have the big Harbor Freight Ultrasonic jewelry cleaner, and let it run 480 
seconds with Vit C and Glutathione. They work fine. I measured the Ph of the 
Vit C after adding the 3/4 tsp sodium bicarbonate, and it was still acidic, so 
I kept adding the soda until it read over 7. Not sure that is necessary, but it 
encapsulated ok. And the lecithin read about 7 before and after adding the Vit 
C.

  I tried encapsulating magnesium chloride, but it didn't work. I am taking the 
magnesium chloride for hypertension and leg cramps, and am wondering if it 
would be more effective if it was encapsulated and went directly into the blood 
and cells where needed instead of through the digestive system.

  Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.

  Dick
- Original Message - 
From: paul catania 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others

Does anyone have any idea how one would go about encapsulating Virgin 
Coconut Oil?

Paul
  - Original Message - 
  From: Harold MacDonald 
  To: Silver list 
  Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 7:24 PM
  Subject: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others

  So far I have encapsulated Vit.C as Sodium ascorbate OK.
  And  L-Glutathione too.I am of the mind that whatever you want to 
encapsulate , should dissolve wholly in Distilled water ,not just float 
around.This is my feeling on it,I may well be wrong.Also I would not use just 
any water,ie,tap,etc as this is going to by-pass the normal gastric controls 
and go directly to the cells.If there are impurities in the raw water,it  may 
well end up in the cells doing who knows what kind of damage.
  I  would not risk it myself.
  For Serrapeptase  to be effective it may have to be some-what processed 
in the digestive system to a certain degree.
  I am using it now just as a regular supplement and so far am satisfied 
with the results.

  Harold

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RE: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others

2010-10-15 Thread Lisa

Is it necessary to add baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) to the LET
(encapsulated lecithin and vit C)? My first batch I didn't.

  _  

From: Dick Rochon [mailto:rrocho...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 4:00 PM
To: paul catania
Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others

Maybe you can encapsulate coconut milk, but not sure about the oil. Just try
it.

 I have the big Harbor Freight Ultrasonic jewelry cleaner, and let it run
480 seconds with Vit C and Glutathione. They work fine. I measured the Ph of
the Vit C after adding the 3/4 tsp sodium bicarbonate, and it was still
acidic, so I kept adding the soda until it read over 7. Not sure that is
necessary, but it encapsulated ok. And the lecithin read about 7 before and
after adding the Vit C.

I tried encapsulating magnesium chloride, but it didn't work. I am taking
the magnesium chloride for hypertension and leg cramps, and am wondering if
it would be more effective if it was encapsulated and went directly into the
blood and cells where needed instead of through the digestive system.

{snip}

RE: CSSilver gel

2010-10-15 Thread Lisa

Can't you make a gel per se by merely adding some EIS to some aloe? I read
that somewhere online...seems like it would do the trick.

-Original Message-
From: Sandee George [mailto:sandee...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Sandee George
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 3:52 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSilver gel

Hi There Dave - I do not understand what you are talking about with  
the gel you say you make/made - I have been making Colloidal Silver  
gel for the past six years and have never had the problems you say you  
have, Ode has a
perfectly good gel kit for sale on his website, all you have to do is  
buy it, follow his directions by mixing it with colloidal silver (EIS)  
and you have a perfectly good gel.   This comment is not directed at  
your personally, how ever I observe many on this list in need of doing  
their own thing, when a perfectly good way has been achieved by many  
here over the years, who are the base for all we know and are able to  
share with those who wish to learn. However if there are those who are  
so into their egos that they cannot accept the work of others which  
has been perfected then so be it.   As a result of this observation  
there are many new-comers who are completely confused by all the ego  
suggestions !

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Re: CSOT - Jaxi and jaw stuff response to Melly

I did check into that.  We have a king sized bed which is fairly new and I
couldn't see an effective way of making it work with the bed and frame we
have and I do not have the money to replace it again so soon.  Although
honestly, with the microelectricity I don't have congestion issues unless I
stop doing it for a few days.  I suspect it is more related to an old root
canal with crown tooth up there with some infection around the root base
which is impacting the sinus cavity.  That's my theory anyway.

Jaxi

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:05 PM, needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.netwrote:

  Hi Jaxi,
 Have you looked into 'Inclined Bed Therapy'.  You can read about it at
 www.heal-me.com.au down on the bottom of the left side bar.  My sinuses
 have improved tremendously since I stopped lying flat.
 PT

 - Original Message -
 *From:* jaxi jaxi.sch...@gmail.com
 *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
 *Sent:* Friday, October 15, 2010 3:26 PM
 *Subject:* CSOT - Jaxi and jaw stuff response to Melly

 I'll let the science geeks answer the technical stuff ...

 As for my jaw/teeth/sinuses ... are you referring to my post some time ago
 about the infection I got post having my old fillings replaced?  I did end
 up doing a round of antibiotics - I wish I had found the microelectricity
 before I did that but hey, live and learn and keep on keeping on ...
 although they helped with the major infection issue in my parotid gland they
 also caused a cascade of other stuff but I'll live

 Since then here is what I have found works for me ... I made some
 microelectricity devices ... I use a 3V one on the jaw/sinus area (the 6V
 was too strong for me causing eye flashes I didn't like) ... if I use it
 every night I sleep well, have much less TMJD pain, less trigeminal nerve
 type pain, and my sinuses do not fill up overnight (ie ... I can breath - at
 night and during the day) ... AND I am getting even fewer migraines.  If I
 skip nights the pain starts inching up again and the sinuses start to fill
 (although not as bad as they used to).  I have not given it long enough ...
 enough days in a row to truly kill the problem germs/infection so when I get
 lazy and don't do it every day they start to build again.  The 6V might do
 it faster, but I really found the eye flashes disconcerting.

 People have found the microelectricity to be successful for nixing
 periodontal issues.  I have noticed I seem to have zero plaque tartar issues
 since starting with it.  My teeth feel smooth all day.  I have never really
 had gum issues and my tests where they measure pocket depth or whatever that
 is called have always been in the good range with little to no bleeding.

 Jaxi

 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com wrote:

   Jaxi,

 Thanks.  I use AC and i bought this generator from Utopia Silver.  It is
 the Silver Bullet one.

 I don't encounter this problem with my silvergen6, which is all clear, but
 i think it is more ionic and i don't know if it has colloidal silver in it.

 BTW, Jaxi, i've meant to ask you, how is your jaw/gum doing? I  have the
 same problem as yours except mine is on the right side.  Been to the dentist
 today and all he gave me is a gum wash to disinfect.  The oral rinse
 literature said it can cause darkening of teeth (how  nice...i got some
 crowns which i don't want to discolor - too expensive to replace).

 Melly

 **


 From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
 Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #835
 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
 Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 9:18 PM

Re: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others

I never add it but then I like things that can be a bit tart.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lisa 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 4:45 PM
  Subject: RE: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others

  Is it necessary to add baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) to the LET 
(encapsulated lecithin and vit C)? My first batch I didn't.

--

  From: Dick Rochon [mailto:rrocho...@comcast.net] 
  Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 4:00 PM
  To: paul catania
  Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others

  Maybe you can encapsulate coconut milk, but not sure about the oil. Just try 
it.

   I have the big Harbor Freight Ultrasonic jewelry cleaner, and let it run 480 
seconds with Vit C and Glutathione. They work fine. I measured the Ph of the 
Vit C after adding the 3/4 tsp sodium bicarbonate, and it was still acidic, so 
I kept adding the soda until it read over 7. Not sure that is necessary, but it 
encapsulated ok. And the lecithin read about 7 before and after adding the Vit 
C.

  I tried encapsulating magnesium chloride, but it didn't work. I am taking the 
magnesium chloride for hypertension and leg cramps, and am wondering if it 
would be more effective if it was encapsulated and went directly into the blood 
and cells where needed instead of through the digestive system.

  {snip}

Re: CSOT - Jaxi and jaw stuff response to Melly

You can put a piece of plywood between the box spring and the mattress and then 
nail 2 2x4s together (make sure they are long enough to sit on the edges of the 
box spring) and put them under the plywood.  Works fine for me.  Lifts it about 
3+ inches.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: jaxi 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 4:49 PM
  Subject: Re: CSOT - Jaxi and jaw stuff response to Melly

  I did check into that.  We have a king sized bed which is fairly new and I 
couldn't see an effective way of making it work with the bed and frame we have 
and I do not have the money to replace it again so soon.  Although honestly, 
with the microelectricity I don't have congestion issues unless I stop doing it 
for a few days.  I suspect it is more related to an old root canal with crown 
tooth up there with some infection around the root base which is impacting the 
sinus cavity.  That's my theory anyway.

  Jaxi

  On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:05 PM, needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net 
wrote:

Hi Jaxi,
Have you looked into 'Inclined Bed Therapy'.  You can read about it at 
www.heal-me.com.au down on the bottom of the left side bar.  My sinuses have 
improved tremendously since I stopped lying flat.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: jaxi 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 3:26 PM
  Subject: CSOT - Jaxi and jaw stuff response to Melly

  I'll let the science geeks answer the technical stuff ...

  As for my jaw/teeth/sinuses ... are you referring to my post some time 
ago about the infection I got post having my old fillings replaced?  I did end 
up doing a round of antibiotics - I wish I had found the microelectricity 
before I did that but hey, live and learn and keep on keeping on ... although 
they helped with the major infection issue in my parotid gland they also caused 
a cascade of other stuff but I'll live

  Since then here is what I have found works for me ... I made some 
microelectricity devices ... I use a 3V one on the jaw/sinus area (the 6V was 
too strong for me causing eye flashes I didn't like) ... if I use it every 
night I sleep well, have much less TMJD pain, less trigeminal nerve type pain, 
and my sinuses do not fill up overnight (ie ... I can breath - at night and 
during the day) ... AND I am getting even fewer migraines.  If I skip nights 
the pain starts inching up again and the sinuses start to fill (although not as 
bad as they used to).  I have not given it long enough ... enough days in a row 
to truly kill the problem germs/infection so when I get lazy and don't do it 
every day they start to build again.  The 6V might do it faster, but I really 
found the eye flashes disconcerting.

  People have found the microelectricity to be successful for nixing 
periodontal issues.  I have noticed I seem to have zero plaque tartar issues 
since starting with it.  My teeth feel smooth all day.  I have never really had 
gum issues and my tests where they measure pocket depth or whatever that is 
called have always been in the good range with little to no bleeding.

  Jaxi

  On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Jaxi,

  Thanks.  I use AC and i bought this generator from Utopia Silver. 
 It is the Silver Bullet one. 

  I don't encounter this problem with my silvergen6, which is all 
clear, but i think it is more ionic and i don't know if it has colloidal silver 
in it.

  BTW, Jaxi, i've meant to ask you, how is your jaw/gum doing? I  
have the same problem as yours except mine is on the right side.  Been to the 
dentist today and all he gave me is a gum wash to disinfect.  The oral rinse 
literature said it can cause darkening of teeth (how  nice...i got some crowns 
which i don't want to discolor - too expensive to replace).

  Melly

From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #835
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 9:18 PM

Re: CSOT - Jaxi and jaw stuff response to Melly

I do not have a box spring ... platform with storage in the platform part.
I get how it works.  It just won't work with the bed I have.  :-(

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:55 PM, needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.netwrote:

  You can put a piece of plywood between the box spring and the mattress
 and then nail 2 2x4s together (make sure they are long enough to sit on the
 edges of the box spring) and put them under the plywood.  Works fine for
 me.  Lifts it about 3+ inches.
 PT

  - Original Message -
 *From:* jaxi jaxi.sch...@gmail.com
 *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
   *Sent:* Friday, October 15, 2010 4:49 PM
 *Subject:* Re: CSOT - Jaxi and jaw stuff response to Melly

 I did check into that.  We have a king sized bed which is fairly new and I
 couldn't see an effective way of making it work with the bed and frame we
 have and I do not have the money to replace it again so soon.  Although
 honestly, with the microelectricity I don't have congestion issues unless I
 stop doing it for a few days.  I suspect it is more related to an old root
 canal with crown tooth up there with some infection around the root base
 which is impacting the sinus cavity.  That's my theory anyway.

 Jaxi

 On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:05 PM, needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.netwrote:

  Hi Jaxi,
 Have you looked into 'Inclined Bed Therapy'.  You can read about it at
 www.heal-me.com.au down on the bottom of the left side bar.  My sinuses
 have improved tremendously since I stopped lying flat.
 PT

 - Original Message -
 *From:* jaxi jaxi.sch...@gmail.com
 *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
 *Sent:* Friday, October 15, 2010 3:26 PM
 *Subject:* CSOT - Jaxi and jaw stuff response to Melly

 I'll let the science geeks answer the technical stuff ...

 As for my jaw/teeth/sinuses ... are you referring to my post some time ago
 about the infection I got post having my old fillings replaced?  I did end
 up doing a round of antibiotics - I wish I had found the microelectricity
 before I did that but hey, live and learn and keep on keeping on ...
 although they helped with the major infection issue in my parotid gland they
 also caused a cascade of other stuff but I'll live

 Since then here is what I have found works for me ... I made some
 microelectricity devices ... I use a 3V one on the jaw/sinus area (the 6V
 was too strong for me causing eye flashes I didn't like) ... if I use it
 every night I sleep well, have much less TMJD pain, less trigeminal nerve
 type pain, and my sinuses do not fill up overnight (ie ... I can breath - at
 night and during the day) ... AND I am getting even fewer migraines.  If I
 skip nights the pain starts inching up again and the sinuses start to fill
 (although not as bad as they used to).  I have not given it long enough ...
 enough days in a row to truly kill the problem germs/infection so when I get
 lazy and don't do it every day they start to build again.  The 6V might do
 it faster, but I really found the eye flashes disconcerting.

 People have found the microelectricity to be successful for nixing
 periodontal issues.  I have noticed I seem to have zero plaque tartar issues
 since starting with it.  My teeth feel smooth all day.  I have never really
 had gum issues and my tests where they measure pocket depth or whatever that
 is called have always been in the good range with little to no bleeding.

 Jaxi

 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com wrote:

   Jaxi,

 Thanks.  I use AC and i bought this generator from Utopia Silver.  It is
 the Silver Bullet one.

 I don't encounter this problem with my silvergen6, which is all clear,
 but i think it is more ionic and i don't know if it has colloidal silver in
 it.

 BTW, Jaxi, i've meant to ask you, how is your jaw/gum doing? I  have the
 same problem as yours except mine is on the right side.  Been to the dentist
 today and all he gave me is a gum wash to disinfect.  The oral rinse
 literature said it can cause darkening of teeth (how  nice...i got some
 crowns which i don't want to discolor - too expensive to replace).

 Melly

 **


 From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
 
 Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #835
 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
 Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 9:18 PM

Re: CSSpeaking of gels

2010-10-15 Thread Renee

I don't know if there's anything special about electrode conducting gel. 
That's why I asked. The device said use an electrode conducting gel.  I was
thinking perhaps it had something 'special' in it--salt or something, to
make it more conducive to electricity.  If it's just a plain gel to keep the
skin moist while using the electrode device for 20 minutes, then I could
make my own with Ode's gel kit, that I have here at home.   So I was
wondering if there was some reason to buy a special conductive gel, or can I
stick with what I can make here.

Samala,
Renee
 

 
 
---Original Message---
 
What is a electrode conducting gel please ?

CSFw: Liposomal Vitamin C,Lecithin

2010-10-15 Thread Harold MacDonald


This is my recipe for it now.


Subject: CS: Liposomal Vitamin C,Lecithin


After trying a few different ways to make Lipo-C,I settled on putting 3 tblspns 
of Soy Lecithin in one cup of DW and let it sit  at room temp.until Lecithin 
was fully in solution.Then I put two[2] tspns of Ascorbic acid in 1/2 cup of DW 
plus one tspn of bicarb [1],let it fizz right down.If I see any sedimentation 
on the bottom,then I tweak it by adding a pinch of Vit.C.,if it fizzes then I 
add a bit more until no reaction.If the first pinch of C does nothing,then I 
add a pinch of bicarb,if it fizzes then I repeat the process until no 
reaction.I have found this to give me as close to 100% as you can hope for.In 
my last four brews I had two with very slight traces of Leci. floating on 
top.These seemed to be from larger sized granules.
When I measure the Lecithin I do notice that the size of the granules do 
vary.If I had a precise scale I would try doing it by weight, just to see.

Harold
I use the jewellry cleaner from Harbour Freight now.

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CSMgCl and hypertension, Leg Cramps and Potassium

2010-10-15 Thread Paula Samuels Anthis


Hi Dick,
 
I know you did not ask, but here is my experience anyway.  I have ongoing 
electrolyte issues and have found that potassium works better for my leg cramps 
and magnesium is better for restless leg type movements.  If I do not 
take potassium in supplement form AM and bedtime, leg cramps will follow that 
will not be relieved by anything but the potassium.
 
Now a question about the MgCl - How is it working concerning the hypertension?
 
 
From: Dick Rochon [mailto:rrocho...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 4:00 PM
To: paul catania
Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others

 
Maybe you can encapsulate coconut milk, but not sure about the oil. Just try it.

 

 I have the big Harbor Freight Ultrasonic jewelry cleaner, and let it run 480 
seconds with Vit C and Glutathione. They work fine. I measured the Ph of the 
Vit C after adding the 3/4 tsp sodium bicarbonate, and it was still acidic, so 
I kept adding the soda until it read over 7. Not sure that is necessary, but it 
encapsulated ok. And the lecithin read about 7 before and after adding the Vit 
C.

 

I tried encapsulating magnesium chloride, but it didn't work. I am taking the 
magnesium chloride for hypertension and leg cramps, and am wondering if it 
would be more effective if it was encapsulated and went directly into the blood 
and cells where needed instead of through the digestive system.

Re: Fw: CSFw: Questions about making colloidal silver

How about providing some details.

Dan

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Gene and Joann Porter g...@teknett.com wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: Gene and Joann Porter
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 11:05 AM
 Subject: CSFw: Questions about making colloidal silver
 We have been out of town for several days and perhaps your response is in
 Spam folder.  Could you try sending your response again?
 Thank you so much.
 Gene
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 From: Gene and Joann Porter
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 5:30 AM
 Subject: Questions about making colloidal silver

 We have been trying to make colloidal silver using Mr. Jefferson's recipe in
 Colloidal Silver Today.  We have not been able to make it in less than one
 hour.

 Does anyone have a simpler recipe for making it at home?

 Will appreciate any help you can give me.

 Thank you.

 G. Porter, g...@teknett.com








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CSSilver-list Spam

2010-10-15 Thread Day Sutton

Still finding a few list files in my spam folder.   If you had any in spam,
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RE: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others

2010-10-15 Thread Jon



Liposomal Ascorbic Acid can acidify your blood, which has a good 
chance of being fatal. It is playing Russian Roulette.  The FDA would love for 
some of us to kill ourselves with liposomal vitamin C, so they can outlaw it.

You have to add baking soda, or can can use pre-mixed Sodium Ascorbate. Since 
Sodium Ascorbate is dirt cheap, I do not understand why so many people are 
making their own with Ascorbic Acid plus baking soda.

Sodium Ascorbate is $13.79 per pound at iHerb (cheaper than the bulk-size NOW 
Ascorbic Acid):
http://www.iherb.com/NutriBiotic-Sodium-Ascorbate-Crystalline-Powder-16-oz-454-g/10178?at=0

It MIGHT be possible to use Calcium Ascorbate or Magnesium Ascorbate or some 
other ascorbate, but Sodium Ascorbate is the standard. If anyone knows for 
sure, please say something.


From: Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net

Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 1:45 PM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: CSCS: Liposomal
encapsulating others



 
 







Is it necessary to add baking soda (sodium
bicarbonate) to the LET (encapsulated lecithin and vit C)? My first batch I
didn’t…

Re: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others

2010-10-15 Thread Dick Rochon

The magnesium chloride I want to encapsulate is flakes or crystals. I dissolve 
it with water to take, so there are no cellulose or other fillers like there 
would be if I was powdering pills or emptying capsuls.

Dick
  - Original Message - 
  From: needling around 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 1:36 PM
  Subject: Re: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others

  One thing I would be concerned about are the other things in the compound you 
are trying to encapsulate that you might not want to enter your blood stream 
directly.  Things like cellulose and other fillers and anti-caking agents.
  PT
- Original Message - 
From: Dick Rochon 
To: paul catania 
Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others

Maybe you can encapsulate coconut milk, but not sure about the oil. Just 
try it.

 I have the big Harbor Freight Ultrasonic jewelry cleaner, and let it run 
480 seconds with Vit C and Glutathione. They work fine. I measured the Ph of 
the Vit C after adding the 3/4 tsp sodium bicarbonate, and it was still acidic, 
so I kept adding the soda until it read over 7. Not sure that is necessary, but 
it encapsulated ok. And the lecithin read about 7 before and after adding the 
Vit C.

I tried encapsulating magnesium chloride, but it didn't work. I am taking 
the magnesium chloride for hypertension and leg cramps, and am wondering if it 
would be more effective if it was encapsulated and went directly into the blood 
and cells where needed instead of through the digestive system.

Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.

Dick
  - Original Message - 
  From: paul catania 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 9:28 AM
  Subject: Re: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others

  Does anyone have any idea how one would go about encapsulating Virgin 
Coconut Oil?

  Paul
- Original Message - 
From: Harold MacDonald 
To: Silver list 
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 7:24 PM
Subject: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others

So far I have encapsulated Vit.C as Sodium ascorbate OK.
And  L-Glutathione too.I am of the mind that whatever you want to 
encapsulate , should dissolve wholly in Distilled water ,not just float 
around.This is my feeling on it,I may well be wrong.Also I would not use just 
any water,ie,tap,etc as this is going to by-pass the normal gastric controls 
and go directly to the cells.If there are impurities in the raw water,it  may 
well end up in the cells doing who knows what kind of damage.
I  would not risk it myself.
For Serrapeptase  to be effective it may have to be some-what processed 
in the digestive system to a certain degree.
I am using it now just as a regular supplement and so far am satisfied 
with the results.

Harold

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CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #839

Jaxi,
 
Yes, i was referring to an old post of yours.  Thanks for your update.
 
I too use microelectric but 27V. Yes, is see flashes sometimes too.  One time i 
moved the electrode and a flash on the connection, my teeth and my eyes.  I got 
scared so i stopped for awhile.  I wonder if this is the reason my eyesight 
went so bad fast for the past few weeks.  My teeth and gums respond well to the 
micro electricity but if stop the mild annoying pain comes back. Maybe i really 
have to do it religiously so it will totally disappear, meanwhile the corner of 
my jaw is swollen.
 
Take care.
 
Melly
 
 


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silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote:


From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #839
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 6:26 PM

Re: CSLeg Cramps

2010-10-15 Thread ZZekelink

 


Hi  Dick,  


I know you did not  ask, but here is my experience anyway.  I have ongoing 
electrolyte  issues and have found that potassium works better for my leg  
cramps


I know this will sound like I'm way off my rocker. I  know I did when a 
friend ,{ several years ago } told me to  just try  it..  I would get killer 
cramps after a 5-6 mile hike...I put a bar of  soap--{ I think Caress ) 
{also use Irish Spring } , some say ivory is  best } under my bed sheet...Don't 
laugh---I have not had a cramp at night  ever since...I e-mailed my friends 
with the crazy idea  found that 3 of  them do the same thing---one girl 
even carries a bar of soap in her purse   has one in her desk drawer to rub on 
her leg if she gets a cramp during the  day... I typed  leg cramps  soap 
  did a  search.  It's all there  it works for  me...Lois

CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #837

Thank you Dan, MaryAnn and Ode,
 
I did change my distilled water.  I used to use store bought but now i am 
brewing my  own with the same reading of ppm as my store bought one.  I think 
it is the ph.  The one i make has a ph of 4.5 to 5 only.
 
But i will  do all your suggestions and will report back to you.  I will watch 
this while brewing so i can adjust the timer.
 
Have a wonderful weekend and again thanks for sharing your knowledge.
 
Melly
 


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silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote:


From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #837
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 2:24 PM

Re: CSLeg Cramps

I've been recommending people do this for several years now and no one has had 
a cramp since.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: zzekel...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 9:01 PM
  Subject: Re: CSLeg Cramps 

  Hi Dick, 

  I know you did not ask, but here is my experience anyway.  I have 
ongoing electrolyte issues and have found that potassium works better for my 
leg cramps

  I know this will sound like I'm way off my rocker. I know I did when a friend 
,{ several years ago } told me to  just try it..  I would get killer cramps 
after a 5-6 mile hike...I put a bar of soap--{ I think Caress ) {also use Irish 
Spring } , some say ivory is best } under my bed sheet...Don't laugh---I have 
not had a cramp at night ever since...I e-mailed my friends with the crazy idea 
 found that 3 of them do the same thing---one girl even carries a bar of soap 
in her purse  has one in her desk drawer to rub on her leg if she gets a cramp 
during the day... I typed  leg cramps  soap   did a  search. It's all there 
 it works for me...Lois

Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #839

Melly,

27V?? what device are you using?  That seems really high but it might be the
device ...

Jaxi

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Jaxi,

 Yes, i was referring to an old post of yours.  Thanks for your update.

 I too use microelectric but 27V. Yes, is see flashes sometimes too.  One
 time i moved the electrode and a flash on the connection, my teeth and my
 eyes.  I got scared so i stopped for awhile.  I wonder if this is the reason
 my eyesight went so bad fast for the past few weeks.  My teeth and gums
 respond well to the micro electricity but if stop the mild annoying pain
 comes back. Maybe i really have to do it religiously so it will totally
 disappear, meanwhile the corner of my jaw is swollen.

 Take care.

 Melly




 --- On *Fri, 10/15/10, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
 silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com* wrote:


 From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
 Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #839
 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
 Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 6:26 PM

Re: CSLeg Cramps

2010-10-15 Thread Marshall Dudley

 Yes, soap transmutes DOR, and thus can be quite effective. Orgonite 
would be better and have better range, but soap will often work.  My 
wife used to get leg cramps almost every night, but after putting an hhg 
under the bed they stopped completely.


Marshall


On 10/15/2010 9:01 PM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote:


Hi Dick,

I know you did not ask, but here is my experience anyway.  I have
ongoing electrolyte issues and have found that potassium works
better for my leg cramps

*I know this will sound like I'm way off my rocker. I know I did when 
a friend ,{ several years ago } told me to  just try it..  I would 
get killer cramps after a 5-6 mile hike...I put a bar of soap--{ I 
think Caress ) {also use Irish Spring } , some say ivory is best } 
under my bed sheet...Don't laugh---I have not had a cramp at night 
ever since...I e-mailed my friends with the crazy idea  found that 3 
of them do the same thing---one girl even carries a bar of soap in her 
purse  has one in her desk drawer to rub on her leg if she gets a 
cramp during the day... I typed  leg cramps  soap   did a  search. 
It's all there  it works for me...Lois*



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CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #840

Lois,
 
When  you put the soap under the bed sheet, did it have to be where the legs 
would rest?
 
Thanks.

e...@eskimo.com wrote:


From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #840
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 9:20 PM

Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #840

I didn't put it under the sheet and it doesn't have to be out of the wrapper 
either.  I just toss a couple of hotel bars into the bed and they land where 
they land.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: Melly Bag 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 9:58 PM
  Subject: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #840


Lois,

When  you put the soap under the bed sheet, did it have to be where the 
legs would rest?

Thanks.

e...@eskimo.com wrote:


  From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
  Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #840
  To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
  Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 9:20 PM

Re: CSLeg Cramps

hhg???

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.comwrote:

  Yes, soap transmutes DOR, and thus can be quite effective. Orgonite would
 be better and have better range, but soap will often work.  My wife used to
 get leg cramps almost every night, but after putting an hhg under the bed
 they stopped completely.

 Marshall



 On 10/15/2010 9:01 PM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote:


Hi Dick,

I know you did not ask, but here is my experience anyway.  I have
ongoing electrolyte issues and have found that potassium works
better for my leg cramps

 *I know this will sound like I'm way off my rocker. I know I did when a
 friend ,{ several years ago } told me to  just try it..  I would get
 killer cramps after a 5-6 mile hike...I put a bar of soap--{ I think Caress
 ) {also use Irish Spring } , some say ivory is best } under my bed
 sheet...Don't laugh---I have not had a cramp at night ever since...I
 e-mailed my friends with the crazy idea  found that 3 of them do the same
 thing---one girl even carries a bar of soap in her purse  has one in her
 desk drawer to rub on her leg if she gets a cramp during the day... I typed
  leg cramps  soap   did a  search. It's all there  it works for
 me...Lois*



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Re: CSLeg Cramps

2010-10-15 Thread cking001

Heh...
Stands for Holy Hand Grenade...but I'll let Marshall explain...
Or google...

Chuck
Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a
difference in the world.
But the U.S. ARMED FORCES don't have that problem.  
. Ronald Reagan


On 10/15/2010 10:57:03 PM, jaxi (jaxi.sch...@gmail.com) wrote:
 hhg???
 
 On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
 [link: mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] wrote:
  Yes, soap transmutes DOR, and thus can be quite effective. Orgonite would
 be better and have better range, but soap will often work.  My wife used
 to get leg cramps almost every night, but after putting an hhg under the
 bed they stopped completely.
 
 Marshall


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CSLiposomal encapsulating others

2010-10-15 Thread Paul Bond

I'm sure after reading everywhere with transdermal Mg saying how poorly
absorbed it was, I found that it's actually about 40% orally, which compared
to most things sounds pretty good to me.

I have a friend that's in that trap of taking a tablet for blood pressure,
and another for the side effects, and another for the side effects of that
one etc.. and mention MgCl and what I'd read about blood pressure.  I only
have the hexahydrate version here, but gave him a bottle of capsules (EDTA
fwiw) that he could empty and manually pack with the Mg.  He can test his
own blood pressure and found that the Mg dropped it markedly in under 5
minutes.  Being Hexahydrate version of MgCl, and flakes rather than powder
it was probably only around 50mg of actual Mg.  This I thought was pretty
impressive, but he said within about an hour the blood pressure returned to
its previous level (he's still on medication at this point, so that may skew
the numbers).  Has anyone else done any tests using Mg for their BP, and did
they find similar, or could it be expected to improve or stay normal for
longer after a period of time loading, and did larger doses produce a
stronger effect, or a longer lasting effect?

My friend says (I don't know the numbers) that when he's at that BP level he
would normally feel very odd, faint, and generally not good, but in this
instance he felt just fine which was a surprise.  Can BP really be
simplified to being a mineral deficiency?  He also has BPH, which was the
original reason for discussing Mg, but if it can replace what are pretty
much all his meds for these two conditions that would be amazing.

Re Lipo C, I've been doing some experimentation with different Lecithin
brands and Sodium Ascorbate.  I can definately take a lot more when
encapsulated than raw, but I'm developing a gag reflex with the taste.  I
used only bottled drinking water, and dissolved the Vit C to saturation,
then added the Lecithin, which blended to a fromage frais kind of
consistency, which I scooped into the Ultrasonic unit, which after several
cycles (480seconds being 1 cycle) it removed the air bubbles and turned to
more like maple syrup in look and consistancy.

I got sick last week, with flu like symptoms.  I was aching all over, no
runny nose, but the worst thing is my kidneys were killing me (I should say
at this point that we sell MMS12 and normally that would be my choice and
that would be the end of it, same day), but in this case because my kidneys
were complaining so much I figured my immune system was working just fine
and I shouldn't expedite that any further.  By day 3 I'd had enough, and
decided to use 21g of LET Vit C.  It was a struggle to get it down, and it
sat in my stomach all day long.  By evening it was starting to bubble and I
felt that it was going to come out.  When it did come out I had sweats,
shakes, runny nose you get the picture, but once it was all out, all
symptoms resolved within a moment, and been fine ever since.  I thought LET
was supposed to get into the cells directly, but in this instance it looked
like it didn't go anywhere and brought the mountain to mohammed.  Does
anyone have a better explanation for that?

A day or so later my GF was compaining about aching, and that her kidneys
were hurting, and wanted me to massage them.  I quickly grabbed a bottle of
Mg oil that I'd made up and went to work, spraying it extremely liberally
over her back and shoulders, way beyond what I thought would absorb.  She
was soon relaxed and drifted off to sleep.  A couple of hours later she said
she felt okay, and the next morning she was bouncing off the walls with
energy, so I think she got the better solution.  There's something good
about those chlorides that nobody has figured out yet.  I have a picture in
my head I want to test once I've rounded up enough guinea pigs to get some
serial blood tests with various components and figure out at least part of
what's going on.









I tried encapsulating magnesium chloride, but it didn't work. I am =
taking the magnesium chloride for hypertension and leg cramps, and am =
wondering if it would be more effective if it was encapsulated and went =
directly into the blood and cells where needed instead of through the =
digestive system.
Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.
Dick

Re: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others

2010-10-15 Thread polo

Not true about ascorbic acid being lethal or even causing illness. Actually, a
large majority of the injectable Vitamin C out there on the commercial market
is made from ascorbic acid. It is more difficult to find the injectable Vit C
made out of sodium ascorbate. So that should tell you some thing about
toxicity! This pH thing is blown clear out of proportion. I have used dilute
Hydrochloric acid therapy for years to good affect. I inject dilute HCl acid
into the blood, iv, and it is superb in treating all types of infections. Just
google it! Two MDs in the 1920s perfected this protocol. So don't write that
ascorbic acid can kill. No way.

doug
- Original Message -
From: Jon
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 7:20 PM
Subject: RE: CSCS: Liposomal encapsulating others

Liposomal Ascorbic Acid can acidify your blood, which has a good chance
of being fatal. It is playing Russian Roulette. The FDA would love for some of
us to kill ourselves with liposomal vitamin C, so they can outlaw it.

You have to add baking soda, or can can use pre-mixed Sodium Ascorbate.
Since Sodium Ascorbate is dirt cheap, I do not understand why so many people
are making their own with Ascorbic Acid plus baking soda.

Sodium Ascorbate is $13.79 per pound at iHerb (cheaper than the
bulk-size NOW Ascorbic Acid):

http://www.iherb.com/NutriBiotic-Sodium-Ascorbate-Crystalline-Powder-16-oz-454-g/10178?at=0

It MIGHT be possible to use Calcium Ascorbate or Magnesium Ascorbate or
some other ascorbate, but Sodium Ascorbate is the standard. If anyone knows for
sure, please say something.

Re: CSSpeaking of gels

What is the purpose of the gel?

I persume it is to provide a medium to conduct the ultrasonic waves into the
gums, much like the gel they use for baby ultrasounds.  I doubt there is any
reason to have it actually conduct electricity.

My recomendation would be to try your own gel.

Dan

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't know if there's anything special about electrode conducting
 gel.  That's why I asked. The device said use an electrode conducting gel.
 I was thinking perhaps it had something 'special' in it--salt or something,
 to make it more conducive to electricity.  If it's just a plain gel to keep
 the skin moist while using the electrode device for 20 minutes, then I could
 make my own with Ode's gel kit, that I have here at home.   So I was
 wondering if there was some reason to buy a special conductive gel, or can I
 stick with what I can make here.

 Samala,
 Renee




 *---Original Message---*

 What is a electrode conducting gel please ?

Re: CSLeg Cramps