Re: CS>OT Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part!
I have no problem with slightly off topic postings particularly when related to alternative medicine. But threatening email chain letters (send this on or else) are another matter. This is worse than spam, it is spam with botulism. This type of posting should be banned and its source reprimanded. -Original Message- From: Anna G Warmuth To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 5:24 PM Subject: CS>OT Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part! >This seems to be the week for strange emails, anyone seen this one >before >-Original Message- >From: Arizona Angel >To: Sal Rapps ; Richard Delong ; >Melissa ; Jennifer DeFrates ; >Jeff ; Doug ; Denell Cline >; Dave ; Chris Defrates >; Bill Shepherd ; bigboy8...@yahoo.com >; Ashok ; Anna G Warmuth > >Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 12:53 PM >Subject: Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part! > > >> >>-Original Message- >>From: Doug McDaniel >>To: Wayne Hildebrant ; Valerie Olson >>; Tyler Massey ; Travis Byler >>; Robyn Sweeden ; Pamela >>Olson ; MOM ; Mike and Deedee >>Miles ; Kent D McDaniel ; John Gee >>; Jaime the one that i love ; Helen >>Cheatham ; Denise and Marty Campbell >>; Chuck Huggins ; Cassy Yates >>; Bruce Cox ; Brent McDaniel >>; Brent M. Fine ; Brenda >>; Brandon and Misti Babitzke ; >Ben >>Reavis ; Amy Marie Cheatham >>Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 2:17 AM >>Subject: Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part! >> >> >>> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: april beal >>>To: mattmcguir...@hotmail.com ; >>>zzp8...@ritvax.isc.rit.edu ; >>>scooter...@yahoo.com ; jb...@cwis.net >>>; markmcgui...@hotmail.com ; >>>melissa_br...@mail.okbu.edu ; >>>nathangorm...@hotmail.com ; >penny...@hotmail.com >>>; b...@rocketmail.com ; >>>be...@hotmail.com ; wwalke...@aol.com >>>; sosaelizab...@hotmail.com >; >>>stark...@aol.com >>>Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 7:57 PM >>>Subject: Fwd: Fw: read alone especially the last part! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "Ann Burris" To: "april beal" Subject: Fw: read alone especially the last part! Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:08:53 -0500 -- > From: brandon > To: amber satterfield > Cc: tara satterfield ; Richard Tarvin ; nancy ; misty ; michelle ; jeremy ; freddie gragg ; fred >>russell ; dennis ; david powell ; david hall ; carla guthrie ; brian few ; brandon ; ANN > Subject: Fw: read alone especially the last part! > Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 10:18 PM > > > - > > Subject: read alone especially the last part! > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > << CASE 1: Kelly Sedey had one > > >> >> > wish, for her > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > boyfriend of three years, David > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > Marsden, to propose to her. Then one > > >> >> > day when she > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > was out to lunch David > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > proposed! She accepted, but then had > > >> >> > to leave > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > because she had a meeting in > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > 20 min. When she got to her office, > > >> >> > she noticed on > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > her computer she had > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > e-mail. She checked it, the usual > > >> >> > stuff from her > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > friends, but then she saw >> > > > >> > > > > one > > >that > > >> she had never gotten before. > > >> >> > It was this > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > letter. She simply > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > deleted it without even reading it > > >> >> > all. BIG > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > MISTAKE! Later that evening, > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > she received a phone call from the > > >> >> > police. It was > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > about DAVID! He had been > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > in an accident with an 18 wheeler. > > >> >> > He didn't > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > survive. If she would've sent > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > the letter to 10 people, David > > >> >> > wouldn't have died. > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > CASE 2: Take > > >> >> > Katie Robbenson. > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > She received this letter > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > and being the believer that she was, > > >> >> > she sent it to > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > a few of her friends but > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > didn't have enough e-mail addresses > > >> >> > to send out the > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > full 10 that you must. > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > Three days later, Katie went to a > > >> >> > masquerade ball. > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > Later that night when s
Re: CS an PH concerns
by all means continue your experiment, but you can't ascribe your observations as caused by pH because it isn't the only variable. Perhaps you are forming silver ascorbate which is insoluble?? -Original Message- From: Steve King To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:08 AM Subject: CS an PH concerns >All- > >I had an interesting experience with CS recently >that made me really question the effectiveness >of CS taken internally. . . at least with normal >methods. > >The other day, I grabbed a clean glass off the counter >top and poured in my usual dose of CS. The normally >clear (nearly) CS immediately turned bright yellow >and then milky. It was amazing. Like a message >from God. After looking around the room for signs of >angels or devils, I ruled out supernatural causes and >investigated further. > >It turned out that my wife had earlier taken some >vitamin C from that same glass in the form of >pure ascorbic acid crystals mixed with water. >So there was a residue of ascorbic acid on >the glass that I thought was clean. > >So as an experiment, I assembled four clean >glasses and filled two with fresh clear CS. >The third glass was filled with pure water and >2 grams of ascorbic acid crystals. The fourth >glass filled with pure water and a few grams >of baking soda. > >To test the effects of acid PH on CS, I took >an eye dropper and slowly added the vit C >solution to the first glass of clear CS. Within >a few drops the CS was bright yellow with >milky streak and a very strong tyndall where >before there was none. > >To test the effects of alkaline PH on CS, I rinsed >the dropper and then added drops of the >baking soda solution to the second glass >of CS. The baking soda solution had no >discernable effect on CS, no matter how much >was added. The CS solution stayed clear >with no Tyndall throughout. I was then >able to add some of the vit C solution to >the baking soda/CS mix without reaction. > >Some possible inferences. . . > >Acid PH wrecks CS, causing small silver >particles to instantly clump together >into large, colourful groups. > >Taking CS on an empty or acid stomach >may be less than optimal, unless baking >soda is taken first. > >When generating and storing CS, acid >PH may be causing larger silver particles >and settling that is often attributed to >other factors. > >Acid PH could be introduced by water >of marginal purity or containers that >aren't PH neutral. > >Combining CS with an acid drink such >as orange juice may substantially reduce >the effects of the silver. > >It may be advisable to use baking soda >during the generation, storage and >ingestion of CS. > >I know that both Brooks and Bruce >have commented favorably on the >use of baking soda but until my little >vit C accident, I had no idea how sensitive >CS is to its PH environment. > > >cheersthen, > >Steve King > >cc: Bruce Marx > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>wet chem
As a former chemist who switched careers to computer engineering --- unless there have been recent breakthroughs of which I am not aware, the most specific and reliable test for presence of a specific element in small concentrations is atomic absorption. This requires an expensive instrument and a separate lamp for each element (such as Silver) for which you want to test, so it would probably require a commercial venture or large research operation to justify the cost. It may not be able to distinguish between suspended neutral silver, colloid, or dissolved ionic silver, but will definitely give reliable information on ppm Ag. -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 6:15 AM Subject: Re: CS>wet chem > Shouldn't there be a way to perform some regular wet chemistry test > to determine PPM? Something like a simple titration or something? > joe... Joe, I've been asking that question on and off for 2 1/2 years, and I've never gotten a good answer. The analogy of titration was always the first thing to come to mind. Shoot, I'd expect you could create a kit of dyes and reagents similar to that used to test a swimming pool and be able to get crude readings by color. Even that much would be helpful. Even if you had a fairly complex setup using a number of reagents and a bunch of glassware, it would still be cheaper than some of the instruments folks have had to buy. I'd like to see us do a survey of analysis techniques and maybe create a table of equipment cost, cost per sample, accuracy and precision, complexity, safety, etc. At least over narrow ranges of process conditions there *is* a correlation between conductivity and concentration. But to peg that measurement to anything *known* still requires other methods for calibration. It's a great question. I hope we're closer to finding an answer. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS an PH concerns
You can repeat your experiments with hydrochloric acid. It is available in paint and hardware stores in industrial grade where it is called "Muriatic Acid" and is used to remove lime and scale (it also does a good job of removing your skin, clothing, etc. so be careful) . Out of the bottle it is about pH minus 1. If you dilute it (as you probably should) remember the high school chem lab warning "add acid to water, never add water to concentrated acid." -Original Message- From: Steve King To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 5:14 AM Subject: Re: CS an PH concerns Ivan- > >As Bill says, a reaction with ascorbic acid says nothing about CS >stability with acidic solutions in general. Didn't someone say >recently they were having trouble getting a reaction with CS and >strong Nitric acid? > >The stomach actually contains little hydrochloric acid between meals >(otherwise it would eat the stomach wall tissue). HCl is manufactured >in response to ingestion and is neutralised after its work has been >done. > >Here's the rub,does ingested colloidal silver work or not? If so, what >is the problem? If not, there is a lot of positive belief about. I'm not trying to say that CS doesn't work when taken orally! I'm just trying to understand how CS ingestion can be optimised given that the stomach is basically an acid bath for food. Fruit goes through the stomach very fast but things like milk and meat and fats can stay in the stomach for hours and hours. I think its fair to say that most of us have food in our stomachs most of the time during the day unless we miss a meal or eat a very light vegan/vegetarian diet. What I don't know is the PH of a full or partially full stomach. Maybe most of the CS absorption takes place before the stomach? What I'm doing now is taking a glass of water with a small amount (eg, 1 gram) of baking soda a few minute before I take the silver. The other point you raised about different types of acids is very good. I only know that ascorbic acid destroys CS or at least causes violent aggregation. Best, Steve King -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS an PH concerns
I am sorry, that is not correct. Check your math. Negative numbers do not
have logarithms, but logarithms THEMSELVES can be negative, and in fact are
negative for any (positive) number between 0 and 1. The log of 0.1 is minus 1,
the log of 0.01 is minus 2, etc.
The pH is actually defined as MINUS the logarithm of the hydrogen ion
concentration in moles per liter. So a pH of 7 means that the logarithm of
the hydrogen ion concentration is MINUS 7, or the concentration itself is ten
to the minus seventh power (moles per liter).
Only in extremely strong, concentrated acids will there be more than one mole
per liter. When this is true, the logarithm of the molar concentration will be
positive and therefore the pH will by definition be negative. The bottle of
muriatic acid says 20% concentration. This would mean that in a liter of acid
(1000 grams) about 200 grams would be HCl. Divide this by the molecular
weight of HCl which is about 36 and you get a little over 5 moles per liter
which would correspond to a pH of minus 0.7If you want a more reasonable
approximation of stomach acid look up the pH of stomach acid and dilute
accordingly. Example, (I'm not a biologist) if stomach acid were pH 2, you
should dilute the muriatic acid 500 to 1.
-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: CS an PH concerns
Bill Schramm wrote:
You can repeat your
experiments with hydrochloric acid. It is available in paint and hardware
stores in industrial grade where it is called "Muriatic Acid" and is used to
remove lime and scale (it also does a good job of removing your skin, clothing,
etc. so be careful) . Out of the bottle it is about pH minus 1.
Minus 1? ph is a logarithm and cannot be negative.
Marshall
Re: CS an PH concerns
The bit about the mantissa being positive is an old convenience for
computation. In the days when people did math by hand or slide rule they would
often multiply strings of numbers by adding the logarithms or exponentiate by
multiplying logarithms. This is how a slide rule works. A convenient way of
representing numbers was in mantissa-exponent notation, or "scientific"
notation. Example 5 would be 5 times 10 to the 4th power.
When you look up a number in a log table you look up the mantissa or 5. The
log of 5 is about .70 so the log of 5 times 10 to the 4th would be 4.70. The
log of 500 is 2.70 and of 50 is 1.70.
Lets keep dividing by 10. The log of 5 is 0.70 and the log of 0.5 is -0.30.
What happened to the .70? In going from positive to negative subtracting one
no longer gives the expected number ending in .70. This is why you might see
the log of 0.5 in the old tables as "9.70 - 10"
If you combined the positive mantissa for log of 5 (0.7) with the negative
exponent (-1) the result is -0.3.
-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: CS an PH concerns
Bill Schramm wrote:
I am sorry, that is not correct. Check your math. Negative numbers
do not have logarithms, but logarithms THEMSELVES can be negative, and in fact
are negative for any (positive) number between 0 and 1. The log of 0.1 is
minus 1, the log of 0.01 is minus 2, etc. The pH is actually defined as MINUS
the logarithm of the hydrogen ion concentration in moles per liter. So a pH of
7 means that the logarithm of the hydrogen ion concentration is MINUS 7, or
the concentration itself is ten to the minus seventh power (moles per liter).
Only in extremely strong, concentrated acids will there be more than one mole
per liter. When this is true, the logarithm of the molar concentration will be
positive and therefore the pH will by definition be negative. The bottle of
muriatic acid says 20% concentration. This would mean that in a liter of acid
(1000 grams) about 200 grams would be HCl. Divide this by the molecular
weight of HCl which is about 36 and you get a little over 5 moles per liter
which would correspond to a pH of minus 0.7If you want a more reasonable
approximation of stomach acid look up the pH of stomach acid and dilute
accordingly. Example, (I'm not a biologist) if stomach acid were pH 2, you
should dilute the muriatic acid 500 to 1.
Sorry, you are right. I remember being taught that for logarithms of
numbers below 1, that the exponent part is negative, but the mantissa is always
positive, something I always considered very strange.
Marshall
Re: CS>OT/Kris/Soy & Canola oil
I believe it was "Weird" Al Yankovic -Original Message- From: D G To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, November 18, 1999 7:29 PM Subject: RE: CS>OT/Kris/Soy & Canola oil who was it that said: "you know, seekers, everything you know is Wrong."? Dennis 51/50 24/7 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: H>B>/pulser
Electroporation is a known phenomenon in conventional medicine. There is a oncological surgeon in Chicago (presented at the ElectroMed 99 conference) who uses millimeter wave high power low duty cycle pulses to pretreat cancerous tumors before treating them with bleomycin (a powerful but toxic chemotherapy drug). Apparently it decreases the amount of bleomycin needed to be effective, thus avoiding toxic reactions over the entire body. -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, November 22, 1999 2:24 PM Subject: Re: CS>Re: H>B>/pulser >donna2...@aol.com wrote: Katarina, > >> What does electoporation mean exactly? If I could just quit smoking I >> would love to try one of these devices. I still have the one that someone >> made me and have never tried it. >> Donna > >From what I understand the current causes cells to become more open to substances >passing into them. Any toxins, or drugs then tend to have more effect than they >normally would. According to Beck, a friend of his died after eating garlic and >zapping with his unit. I have not heard that the Clark unit can cause the same >thing, but I really don't know. > >Marshall > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Re:Bil/resistor
A good way to compute the size of resistor needed for any current limiting application: Use following 2 formulas V = I x R P = V x I V= volts I = current (amps) R = resistance (ohms) P= power (watts) Your worst case current, if computed for shorting out the electrodes, would be the source voltage divided by the resistor you choose. So R = V divided by I. Example: for a 12 volt source to limit to 5 milliamps (.005 amps) the vaue of R would be 2400 ohms. Now multiply 12V by .005A and you get .06 Watts, the minimum power rating of your resistor. Typically I make CS from silver wire and a $10 DC power supply you can get from the consumer electronics stores. I always put a resistor in series to avoid trashing the power supply in case the silver wires touch by accident. -Original Message- From: Katarina Wittich To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, November 22, 1999 10:37 AM Subject: CS>Re:Bil/resistor >Hi Bil, >that is exciting -- I would love to limit the current on my pulser. >So do I buy a resistor at Radio Shack? and what exactly do I ask for? >Then once I have it I just cut the wires and strip them a little and then I >can wire in both the meter and the resistor? Can I wire the resistor to the >meter and then the outside two wires to the pulser lead and the one to the >electrode? > >I think I'm going to get all this stuff and start experimenting soon. > >Thanks for your help. >Take care, >katarina > >> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 21:02:02 -0800 >> From: "2001 TV VCR" >> To: >> Subject: Re: CS>METERS & Current Limiting >> Message-ID: <008e01bf34b7$069ee780$8dd4d...@x2001> >> Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="iso-8859-1" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> To Jeff and all, >> >> The output of the Bob Beck approved pulsers/ >> CS makers is 27 VDC (pure DC, no pulsing) if >> you use the correct jack (CS). >> >> To limit the current to a maximum of 2 to 3 mA >> (depends on how strong you make the CS) >> when using 27 or 30 VDC just wire a 8200 ohm >> resistor (any wattage will do) in series with one >> of the leads going to the silver. >> >> Don't worry about cutting one of the wires to >> wire in the resistor and your meter (mA scale). >> This will not affect the operation in any way >> other than to limit the current (resistor). The >> benefits far outweigh the slight damage (change >> of appearance!). >> >> If you still have questions let me know. >> Good luck, >> >> Bil > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Spoonerisms/Off Topic
Spoonerisms can also involved switched words as well. Your pigeon example reminded me of a famous radio spoonerism in the 1940s. A talk show host was introducing actor Walter Pidgeon and concluded with "Mr. Pleasure this is indeed a Pigeon" We should stop before the "silver list" becomes the "liver cyst" (which you might want to treat with silver...) -Original Message- From: Terry Dickinson To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, December 04, 1999 9:18 AM Subject: Re: CS>Spoonerisms/Off Topic >For the record: > >A. W. Spooner of Oxford University, renowned amongst his students for >his verbal mistakes through nervousness when lecturing. Died about 1930 >but his memory lingers on.. > >Regards Terry > >"Sharon L. House" wrote: >> >> James wrote, in part: >> >> >It is called a "Spoonerism", from a character in an English novel, can't >> >remember the writer, maybe Dickens. Or something like that. A play on >> >words, specific to this language. >> >> Oh, I am so far behind with my e-mail. But just have to reply to this. >> Spoonerisms are one of my favorite things in life. Probably the best I've >> heard is: >> >> A well-oiled bicycle becomes a well-boiled icicle. >> >> Here's another good one only this time it's not technically a spoonerism, I >> guess. Instead of switching the first letters of the words, the words >> themselves are switched, in this case, inadvertently. One of the best >> bloopers of old-time radio involved a crime story where two inmates in >> adjoining cells were sharing their stories. One asked the other how he came >> to be there and the other replied, "some dirty squeal pigeon stooled on me." >> >> Sharon >> >> -- >> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Re: weak medicine revisited
"Transition metal" is a chemically correct term, due to silver's position in the periodic table. "Heavy metal" is to my knowledge a meaningless term chemically and is best reserved for Metallica, Megadeth, Black Sabbath, etc. -Original Message- From: Dennis Lipter To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, December 23, 1999 10:43 AM Subject: Re: CS>Re: weak medicine revisited >Silver is not a heavy metal. It is a transition metal. > >Dennis Lipter > >Fred wrote: >> > >> >> silver is one of the most toxic of the heavy metals to freshwater micro-organisms. > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>OT potassium iodide
my question is why would you WANT to produce potassium iodide from tincture of iodine? Sure it is possible but it is also possible to produce sodium chloride (table salt) from Clorox. KI is not particularly expensive and probably less so per gram of iodine than is tincture of iodine. It would be tricky also to produce it from elemental iodine because of the tendency to form Triiodide ion (I3)- when elemental iodine contacts potassium iodide. -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, December 17, 1999 8:53 AM Subject: Re: CS>OT potassium iodide This cannot produce potassium iodide, since there is no potassium in the bicarbonate of soda or the tinture of iodine. Especially do not mix it with ammonia if you are experimenting! It may or may not produce sodium iodide though. I am not well enough versed in chemistry to figure it out. Marshall Nancy Steele wrote: Hello everyone, I'm sorry I know this is really off topic but I don't know anyone else to ask. Does anyone know if there would be any validity to this formula for turning tincture of iodine into potassium iodide? One pint of tincture of iodine mixed with water to make five quarts. Add 5 tsp of bicarbonate of soda and mix until clear. Adult dose for radiation 10cc per day for 14 days down to 5cc after that. Again sorry but I was kind of counting on this to work and now I'm not sure. Thanks to everyone I hope you all have a wonderful Christmas.Nancy
Re: CS>WHERE TO GET GOOD WIRE?
CC Silver in Phoenix (http://www.ccsilver.com) has fairly thick wire, 12 or 14 gauge, available in four nines. -Original Message- From: dikm...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 6:46 PM Subject: Re: CS>WHERE TO GET GOOD WIRE? >For the Canadian Silver Maple Leaf Coin (.+ pure) go to: > > i...@ccsilver.com > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>COULD SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE ME THE FORMULA FOR AMPS PER SQ CM OR
You can figure out an outside limit (ideal case assuming 100% efficiency) for silver production from basic chemistry principles. A few terms: MOLE: a very large standard number of atoms or molecules, such that the weight of one mole of a substance is equal to the atomic or molecular weight in grams. The atomic weight of Silver is approximately 107. COULOMB: the standard unit of electrical charge. One mole of electrons has a charge of approximately 96,500 coulombs. AMPERE: the standard unit of electrical current, or rate of moving charge. One coulomb per second is defined as one ampere, or Amp. 1 Amp = 1000 Milliamps. If you are running a constant current process, you can calculate this limit simply: number of grams of silver = multiply current in amps times time of the process in seconds Divide by 96,500 to get moles of electrons. Since silver is singly ionized, then multiply by 107 to get the number of grams of silver. Compute ppm weight by assuming that 1 liter of water = 1000 grams. 1 ppm = 1 milligram per liter. Example: current = 1 milliamptime = 5 minutes amount of water = 1/2 liter by the above math then: total coulombs = 0.3 total moles = .0310 (3.10 micromoles) total grams of silver = .00032 (0.32 milligrams) total grams of silver per liter .00064 (0.64 milligrams) parts per million by weight 0.64 If you are running a constant Voltage process, it is more complicated. The silver production is a function of current, not voltage. The voltage produces current according to ohms law (voltage divided by the resistance of the circuit). The problem is the resistance of the distilled water is constantly changing, since the CS you produce lowers the resistance. Technically you would have to integrate the current over time, in practice you can estimate in blocks with measured resistance or current. Also remember this is a THEORETICAL UPPER LIMIT for silver production, not a prediction of actual production values. -Original Message- From: Wayne Mosley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, June 02, 2000 11:05 PM Subject: CS>COULD SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE ME THE FORMULA FOR AMPS PER SQ CM OR WHATEVER IT IS TO FIGURE OUT THE BASIC PPM PER HOUR...PLEASE?
Re: CS>purifying hot tubs & swimming pools
one copper-silver system which I have purchased for my pool is by Clear Water. You can get information at www.goodbyechlorine.com I am still evaluating it and cannot either recommend or not recommend it at this point. -Original Message- From: Ode Wan Coyote To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 6:37 AM Subject: Re: CS>purifying hot tubs & swimming pools > Apparently colloidal copper or zinc will work as well as silver for >pool/hot tub. It's probably not a good idea to ingest a lot of copper or >zinc, though traces of both are essential. Many years ago I saw a floating >solar powered pool ionizer on the market for about $300...long before I >ever heard of colloidal silver. The ad didn't specify what ion. > KD'C > >At 08:51 AM 6/13/00 -0400, you wrote: >>List, >>What is the best combination and source of substances for purifying hot tubs >>and swimming pools? I suspect a combination of ozone and colloidal silver >>would be best, but I need: >> >>1) amounts of ozone and CS, >> >>2) a source of an INEXPENSIVE ozone unit, and >> >>3) anything else you can think of that might work without synthetic >>chemicals. >> >>Thanks. >>Nina >> >> >>-- >>The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >>To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >>silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >>with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> >>To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >>Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >>List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Tooth aches - Zap 'em
I have had success treating toothaches with "zappers" (pad devices) at 1550 Hz with one pad on the cheek outside tooth and the other in the opposite side hand. I have used for that purpose both custom made pads connected to a BK 4011, and the Stenulson AV4 variable frequency "zapper". -Original Message- From: Ron Hackley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, July 06, 2000 12:18 AM Subject: Re: CS>Tooth aches - Zap 'em >Bob, which zapper are you talking about, Beck, Hulda, or other? This >sounds great for emergency use if it works as you say, but I'm REAL >apprehensive about putting electricity near my teeth. I've had the >amalgams with w/composite, but still bad memories of "tooth shocks" when >metal would contact a filling. Would you please expand on this a little. > >Thanks, >Ron KC7ZWA >in Oregon > >Bob Squires wrote: >> >> If it is to much to bear. Take one of your silver probes and >> tape up all but a 1/4" of one ,leaving enough for the clip on the other >> end. Using your Zapper hold one probe in one hand or against the jaw and >> put the un insulated tip of the other probe directly on the affected gum >> or as close as you can get it to the area of pain. The pain will be gone >> and the infection with it . Continue contact for 5 min. or so and repeat >> every hour or so. > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>What is MSM?
MSM is an abbreviation for "methyl sulfonyl methane". This is an organic sulfur compound also known as dimethyl sulfone. It is a dietary supplement for sulfur and has nothing to do with colloidal silver, except that some of the people interested in CS are also interested in MSM. -Original Message- From: tm4...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 6:19 PM Subject: CS>What is MSM? >What is this MSM everyone talks of and how does it help the CS work better? >Tami M > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>alcohol/earaches
There are different types of alcohol: rubbing alcohol is isopropyl alcohol.
Grain alcohol is ethyl alcohol.
Although this may be somewhat offtopic: many people in the alternative
medicine community distrust isopropyl alcohol due to the assertion made by
Dr. Hulga Clark ("The Cure for All Diseases", etc.) that is an extremely
toxic substance associated with susceptibility to cancer and parasites. I
believe this assertion needs to be verified. Just because you read a
statement in a book that contains other information you know to be accurate,
it doesn't make it true.
-Original Message-
From: BROKENHEARTED
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 1:16 PM
Subject: CS>alcohol/earaches
>> The alcohol is the ingredient here that you would want to avoid putting
>> into your system.and I never understood why people use a hair dryer
for
>> an ear infection.
>>
>I disagree with this statement. If you have water in your ear that you
>just cannot get out, a little alcohol in the ear will do the trick!
>Just put a couple of drops in, and it mixes with the water and helps it
>evaporate. The warth of the hair dryer gives comfort.
>Brokenhearted
>
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Re: CS>[CS] DMSO as transport mech
MSM is methyl sulfonyl methane or dimethyl sulfone DMSO is dimethyl sulfoxide or methyl sulfoxy methane the two different names for each substance represent American CE and IUPAC standards for naming. In any case, although related and one can be manufactured from the other, they are NOT the same substance. MSM has one additional oxygen per molecule. At room temperature MSM is solid white crystals, DMSO is a clear liquid. -Original Message- From: Scharbach To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 9:49 AM Subject: Re: CS>[CS] DMSO as transport mech >Ok, Is MSM a refined version of DMSO?I have read that the FDA is >regulating DMSO >because there are so many impurities in it. > >Sparrow > >> Just received email from Janis and she informed me that her healthfood >>store has told her that DMSO has been discontinued again. I don't know if >>anyone else has heard this but she asked that I pass this on to you all. >>Donna > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>[CS] DMSO as transport mech
One oxygen atom can make a lot of difference sometimes. For example carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide -- one is vital for life and the other a deadly poison. However, this doesn't explain the difference in regulation between MSM and DMSO. I believe DMSO can be quite dangerous because of its ability to transport substances through the skin. Some chemists working with insecticides got seriously poisoned when some insecticide dissolved in DMSO got on their hands. If you use it, both your hands and the area you are applying it to must be clean and it must be uncontaminated. Anyway, no idea about regulations. I am a chemist not a politician. CE stands for (in this case) chemical engineering, but of course CE is also the European equivalent of the FCC. IUPAC is "international union of pure and applied chemists" -Original Message- From: Scharbach To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, July 10, 1999 3:30 PM Subject: Re: CS>[CS] DMSO as transport mech >Thank you for the information. Now, one more question. Do you know >why the difference in regulation, if they are so similar? No, two >questions. Pardon my ignorance but what is the "CE" and the IUPAC? > > > >>MSM is methyl sulfonyl methane or dimethyl sulfone >>DMSO is dimethyl sulfoxide or methyl sulfoxy methane >> >>the two different names for each substance represent American CE and IUPAC >>standards for naming. >> >>In any case, although related and one can be manufactured from the other, >>they are NOT the same substance. MSM has one additional oxygen per >>molecule. At room temperature MSM is solid white crystals, DMSO is a clear >>liquid. > >> > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: l-tryptophan
Tryptophan is one of the essential amino acids found in foods. It is not an artificial chemical. Supplements of most of the essential amino acids such as phenylalanine, arginine, lysine, etc. are available at health food stores and some are alleged to have therapeutic properties. Many years ago tryptophan supplements were sold as an aid for anxiety/insomnia and from my point of view were equally effective as artificial chemicals in Sominex and other products which were subsequently banned as carcinogenic (The brand "sominex" no longer contains methylpyrilene maleate) Unfortunately a few people got a rare and potentially fatal blood disorder (eosinophilia) from a batch of Tryptophan which I believe was made in Mexico. Although from my point of view this reaction was due to some impurity in the process, the FDA inexplicably banned tryptophan for human consumption. Guess there is not enough profit in a natural product to run through the FDA testing program and get it back on the market. -Original Message- From: jneno...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 11, 1999 7:01 PM Subject: CS>Re: l-tryptophan >Be very careful with l-tryptophan, I took it 10 or so years ago when I was in >college and recall it made me feel funny--unfortunately with this lyme brain >I can't recall how, but my Mom just reminded me we had trouble with it. I >seem to recall it had to do with memory loss --no really, I am serious. >Susan L > >In a message dated 99-07-10 09:42:04 EDT, you write: > ><< >> >2) Some people might be interested to learn that > >> >L-Tryptophan is available from the same kinds of > >> >sources - just be sure and DON'T tell them you are > >> >buying it for your OWN consumption. Just tell them you > >> >have a depressed dog or cat. > > > > would this be the same l-tryptophan that is created when one > > warms up their > > milk? > > > > James Vernon, Allison > > Allison's Apothecary > > It is pharmaceutical grade L-Tryptophan, the same stuff > you used to buy in capsules in the health food store > before it was unlawfully banned by the FDA. > >> > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>[CS] DMSO as transport mech
sorry, no idea. -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 11, 1999 9:25 AM Subject: Re: CS>[CS] DMSO as transport mech > > >Bill Schramm wrote: > >> One oxygen atom can make a lot of difference sometimes. For example carbon >> monoxide and carbon dioxide -- one is vital for life and the other a deadly >> poison. >> >> However, this doesn't explain the difference in regulation between MSM and >> DMSO. I believe DMSO can be quite dangerous because of its ability to >> transport substances through the skin. Some chemists working with >> insecticides got seriously poisoned when some insecticide dissolved in DMSO >> got on their hands. If you use it, both your hands and the area you are >> applying it to must be clean and it must be uncontaminated. >> >> Anyway, no idea about regulations. I am a chemist not a politician. >> CE stands for (in this case) chemical engineering, but of course CE is also >> the European equivalent of the FCC. IUPAC is "international union of pure >> and applied chemists" > >I understand DMSO being used as a carrier to carry compounds that dissolve in >it. But I see that people here are using it with CS. Since CS does not >dissolve in DMSO, I don't see how it could act as a transport agent. Can it >transport colloids as well? Since you are a chemist I thought maybe you would >know. > >Thanks, > >Marshall > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Calcium deposits/water ionizer?
The chemistry is fairly simple. Water naturally ionizes into H+ and OH- ions. When electric current is passed through water, the H+ ions are attracted to the - electrode and the OH- ions to the + electrode. If you configure the reaction chamber into two parts with some form of semi permeable barrier to prevent gross mixing, one side will become enriched in OH- (alkaline) and the other side enriched in H+ (acid.) -Original Message- From: alial...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 11, 1999 11:30 AM Subject: Re: CS>Calcium deposits/water ionizer? >In a message dated 7/10/99 11:10:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >samma...@aol.com writes: > ><< > I found a water ionizer at a Korean Food Store for $59. The box says one > side of the machine (which looks somewhat like a coffee maker) makes acidic > water and the other makes alkaline. >> > >What could be the chemistry of this??? > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>RE: HELP needed! Getting Silver stains off Formica counter tops
You might try ammonia, if the stain contains silver compounds. Silver is not very reactive with most things but forms coordinated compounds with ammonia as a ligand. -Original Message- From: Vilik Rapheles To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 11, 1999 10:58 AM Subject: Re: CS>RE: HELP needed! Getting Silver stains off Formica counter tops >At 01:48 PM 7/11/99 EDT, you wrote: >>I have spilled some CS on a Formica counter top and can't get the stains >out. >>I have tried peroxide and that helped slightly but the stains are still >quite >>evident. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Carol >>~ >i SCRUBBED AND SCRUBBED WITH BON AMI AND IT WORKED ABOUT 80% >> >>-- >>The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >>To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >>silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >>with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> >>To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> >>List maintainer: Mike Devour >> >> >> > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Calcium deposits/water ionizer?
Of course, there is a lot of markup and shipping costs because virtually all water ionization machines are made in Korea or Japan. One must also distinguish between the "batch" process machines (you add the water, turn it on and wait), and the "real time" machines (you turn on the tap, and electrolysis takes place in real time, alkaline and acid water flow out tubes immediately). The design of the real time machines is nontrivial and almost always involves high surface area electrodes. Some of the technology is patented, and usually involves platinum which costs about $15 per gram. -Original Message- From: Vilik Rapheles To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 9:30 PM Subject: Re: CS>Calcium deposits/water ionizer? >At 06:03 PM 7/12/99 -0700, you wrote: >>The chemistry is fairly simple. Water naturally ionizes into H+ and OH- >>ions. When electric current is passed through water, the H+ ions are >>attracted to the - electrode and the OH- ions to the + electrode. If you >>configure the reaction chamber into two parts with some form of semi >>permeable barrier to prevent gross mixing, one side will become enriched in >>OH- (alkaline) and the other side enriched in H+ (acid.) >>~~ >Wow...thanks. So...why do they cost so much? > >~^^V^^~ > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>New Member
Many people use 999 silver with good results. Sterling silver is only 94% or so silver. I am not sure what the rest of it is, but probably zinc, tin, etc. to make it more durable. Not a good idea to use sterling for cs, but 999 should be ok. Also, many mfg use 999 as a tolerance for "fine silver" (i.e. no worse than 999). In practice it may be better than 999. You can get silver wire in 12 or 14 gauge from C.C.Silver in Phoenix. Depending on spot prices it is about $11-$12 per ounce. At one point they offered to special order it for about $9 per ounce in units of 100 oz. -Original Message- From: samma...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 25, 1999 8:11 PM Subject: Re: CS>New Member >In a message dated 07/25/1999 7:52:09 PM CST, bober...@postoffice.swbell.net >writes: > >> Sorry ole boy but DO NOT USE 999 silver get 9. It is availbe in K.C.Mo >> Jules >> Borel Co tel 1-800-776-6858. Last november I bought 10 ft for $32.00 > >Now this is upsetting. I thought .999 was okay. That's what I have. In >fact, I've recently been using .999 silver dabloons (carnival coins minted in >New Orleans) to make my CS. Robert, didn't you recently say a company sent >you sterling instead and you discovered it by noticing how the wires turned >black? >I seriously don't want to bring harm to my family, and now I'm worried! >Samm > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>GoodBye
Your insights and contributions have been appreciated, thanks for your efforts. -Original Message- From: Reid Smith To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 9:42 PM Subject: CS>GoodBye > > With deep regret I must say that I'm leaving the Silver list. I >don't know if it will be permanent or not but for now it's something >that I must do. I have allot to do and not enough time to do it. I've >met allot of GOOD people and learned allot. I want to say thank you >for the good times and God Bless you all. > > >Take Care >Reid > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>How many mililiters in a cup?
In the hopes that we in America will join the rest of the civilized world in adopting the metric system soon The English system of liquid measure is based on the "Pint is a Pound" concept. A pint of water weighs a pound (ok, at some given temperature?) which is 454 (plus some fraction) grams. A liter of water weighs 1000 grams, by definition. So a pint is 454 ml. There are 2 cups to a pint so a cup is 227 ml. -Original Message- From: Liz Pavek To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, July 31, 1999 7:25 AM Subject: CS>How many mililiters in a cup? Look on a measuring cup, because they all have both US and Metric measurements right on them. Liz
Re: CS>Silica to Calcium
Way back in the 60s a widely selling book appeared called "Biological Transmutation", I believe out of France. As usual, if something is printed, people pick it up and use it as an authority. In my opinion this is pseudoscience at its worst. Perhaps trace silicon, or silica, is necessary for the assimilation of Calcium, as we know magnesium, boron, vitamin D etc. are. But if you think your body is TRANSMUTING silicon to calcium, I think you are badly in need of a course in chemistry, or maybe chemotherapy because the radioactivity generated by the internal transmutation would probably give you cancer. If you want to increase your body's calcium content: 1) eat more calcium 2) make sure you have the proper trace elements and vitamins for proper assimilation. 3) avoid robbing your body of calcium by eating too many acid foods and phosphorus containing soft drinks, etc. 4) if your body still doesn't assimilate calcium properly see a doctor or practitioner . You may need something like calcitonin, or estrogen. 5) don't eat sand... it's bad for your teeth. -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 6:50 AM Subject: Re: CS>Silica to Calcium >I'm not disputing that plants can transmute, there have been some pretty >convincing experiments along these lines. But in the case of simply >checking weight, that could be from the sprout taking up carbon dioxide, and >using the carbon for growth. > >Marshall > >D. Garrett wrote: > >> transmutation in nature is real. >> put a seed of a known chemical composition in a sterile test tube with >> distilled water. after the seed has sprouted check the weight of the >> water and the sprout and explain where the extra elements and weight >> of the sprout came from. >> but i've been wrong before :-) >> >> regards, >> Dennis :-) >> >> -- >> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> >> List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Wire gauge
FIrst .14 is not bigger than .16 Do the math. A 10 gauge shotgun IS bigger (in barrel size) than a 12 gauge. Anything with the word "gauge" in it implies bigger numbers = smaller size. At a given current, silver forms by weight per unit time. So, yes a 14 gauge will last longer than a 16 gauge wire all other things being equal. For an example, my source of wire is either 12 or 14 gauge. I am paying a little over $4 per foot for the 12, and less than $3 for the 14, and they are the same price per unit weight. -Original Message- From: Daniel and Karen Croom To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 8:19 AM Subject: Re: CS>Wire gauge Jim, Do you think that 14 ga wire lasts a lot longer than 16 guage when making cs? Your answer to the guage question was interesting, but why is a 10 guage shotgun bigger than a 12 guage? Same reason? And in math, .14 is bigger than .16, but that was my worst subject! -- > From: James Sullivan > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: CS>Wire gauge > Date: Thursday, August 05, 1999 12:34 PM > > Hey! > > >> Good answers! About the last question on guage- I asked my husband > >> (which I should have done to start with since he's so smart) and he > >> said that it's not really 14 or 16, but .16 and .14 when you're > >> talking guages. It's the same with shotguns. > > Actually, that wouldn't explain it. In that form, .16 is still larger > than .14. Actually, I believe it had to do with how many wires of a > certain size it would take to completely fill a 1" conduit. Therefore > the larger the wire the smaller the "gauge", i.e. it would take more > 22 gauge wires to fill a conduit than 6 gauge wires. You could only > get 6 of the big ones in there or 22 of the little fellers. > > Jim > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>FDA Goes After Colloidal Silver Products
I am all for freedom of choice in the health care products area. This may be a blessing in disguise, however. Obviously noone can ban the sale of silver wire and batteries, and other electronic components. What this may do is just keep the weasels who are interested in mucho buckos rather than health from taking 10 cents worth of silver and a few cents of electricity, putting it in a 20 cent bottle and selling it for $15.00. -Original Message- From: d.linen To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, August 21, 1999 7:52 AM Subject: Re: CS>FDA Goes After Colloidal Silver Products > > >"D. Garrett" wrote: >> >> someone asked a while ago if i could really see the gov't. kicking in >> doors over cs stills and i said yes. i wonder if they still think is't >> in the realm of funny? > >Let's see. They don't want us to have vitamins either. H. I wonder >why they don't want us to be in control of our own health? > >Diane > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re:angstroms
an angstrom unit is one-tenth of a nanometer. So 1.26 angstroms would be 0.126 nanometers (nm) or 1.26 times 10 to the (-10) meters. -Original Message- From: Janine To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 7:09 PM Subject: CS>Re:angstroms >How much is 1.26 angstroms > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> building a zapper
have done same thing. look for hospital or medical supply stores. also check oriental medical supply catalogs such as OMS (Oriental Medical Supply, or Lhasa). If in the straight medical stores, ask about TENS electrodes. -Original Message- From: Art Labrada To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, August 30, 1999 11:19 AM Subject: Re: CS> building a zapper >I am planning to build a "zapper" but would like to use electrodes that are >taped to the body. Does anybody know where I could buy this type of >electrode? They are similar to the ones used for electrocardiograms. Any >help on this matter would be greatly appreciated. > >Best regards, > >Art > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Sprains, anyone?
1. There is a cream available in health food stores called "Swedish Bitters".. it contains Swedish bitter herbs plus capsaicin. This seems to work for me. 2. Go to Chinese pharmacy or sometimes Chinese grocery, or large health food store like Whole Foods with asian medicine section. There is a brown liquid in a red and white box that is spelled variously in English but is pronounced "Jung Goo Shia " Also works. Warning -- stains almost any fabric. -Original Message- From: Sam Earle To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, August 29, 1999 9:59 AM Subject: CS>Sprains, anyone? >Does anyone have a natural, effective, fast remedy for a sprained >ankle? My wife stepped in a rabbit hole. We've done the RICE >(rest, ice, compression, elevation) thing, and I mixed up a paste >of MSM and CS, which seems to have had some effect. Any >suggestions? > >Best regards, > Sam mailto:sear...@ix.netcom.com > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Re[2]: CS and braces
careful here. Carbon DIoxide is necessary for you to breathe. Carbon MONoxide can kill you. So is carbon a toxic or a nontoxic element? Some people need iron supplements to prevent anemia, but for other people iron supplements could be fatal (hemachromatosis patients). So is iron a toxic or nontoxic element? The point is although CS may be nontoxic in itself, the potential to react with other substances to form harmful compounds needs to be investigated. In this case I don't think there is anything to worry about. -Original Message- From: Sam Earle To: johnphil Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 6:26 PM Subject: CS>Re[2]: CS and braces > >j> The question about CS and braces and dentures makes me wonder if it >j> would harm metal fillings. Discoloration wouldn't matter but wouldn't >j> want to harm my fillings from swishng CS or if there would be a chemical >j> reaction that would release something toxic. John > > >Your metal fillings are toxic to begin with. How could a >non-toxic element like silver make them more so? > >Sam > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Parasites
We should first agree on a terminology. Technically any foreign life form that lives off your body without giving any benefit in return is a "parasite". That would include viruses and bacteria. But the term "parasite" is usually reserved for multicellular (roundworms, tapeworms, etc.) and eukaryotic single celled (giardia, malaria) parasitic organisms. I am not a biologist but I understand that eukaryotic single celled creatures are more closely related to multicellular animals than to the more primitive prokaryotic single celled creatures (chiefly bacteria) It would seem from the evidence available that CS is effective primarily against prokaryotes (bacteria). I have not seen any reports of success using CS against such diseases as malaria, giardiasis, amoebic dysentery, etc. (but this doesn't mean they don't exist) It is dangerous to assume CS or anything else is a "magic bullet" that will cure whatever is wrong with you, regardless of its cause. -Original Message- From: Sharon L. House To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, September 09, 1999 12:01 PM Subject: Re: CS>Parasites >>Hi guys, >> >>Just catching up on alot of mail. Someone mentioned that CS wouldn't work >>on intestinal parasites because CS inters the blood stream not the bowel. >>Don't intestinal parasites feed off of the blood stream? So drinking CS >>should clear up parasites, right? >> >>Sorry if I somehow missed a post that addressed this. >> >>Cheers, >>Kim > >Doesn't CS just work on one-celled creatures? Probably the only parasites >it would kill are the single celled ones. Am I right on this? > >Sharon > > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Re[2]: CS>West Nile Virus
I am also entitled to my own opinion, which is that the preponderance of medical findings can't be tossed out on the basis of some new-age generalities like "the brain and body are one." Even though I am not a biologist or doctor, I am aware that the blood-brain barrier is a proven phenomenon, not a "notion". The exchange between blood and brain is restricted, principally to high molecular weight substances. This is why some drugs, chemotherapy agents, etc. are useless on brain conditions. ask your neighborhood biochemist, pharmacist, physician, etc. for a more professional explanation. -Original Message- From: Sam Earle To: Marshall Dudley Date: Monday, October 04, 1999 5:04 PM Subject: CS>Re[2]: CS>West Nile Virus >I don't know where anyone got the notion of a blood-brain >barrier. The blood circulates through the brain the same as it >does through the rest of the body, up the carotid artery and >back through the jugular vein. There is a separation between the >spinal fluid and the blood, but it is semipermeable and is easily >penetrated by viruses, bacteria, vitamins, minerals, drugs, etc. >There is no barrier. The brain and the body are one. > >Sam Earle >You're entitled to my opinion. >mailto:sear...@ix.netcom.com > >Monday, October 04, 1999, 4:15:41 PM, you wrote: > >> Although I have no information that it would, I would be very surprised >> if it was not near 100% effective in preventing it. Curing it may be a >> different matter though, because of the blood brain barrier, which I >> don't think silver will typically breach, but others here think it can. > >> Marshall > >> patty wolfe wrote: > >>> Do you think CS could be of benefit against the West Nile Virus? > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Off Topic - Can anyone help??
Hello Dr. Torres -- is polyatomic oxygen a fancy name for ozone or "super-oxygen"? or is it something else. thanks. -Original Message- From: Alex C Torres To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 2:45 AM Subject: RE: CS>Off Topic - Can anyone help?? >Dear Dana, >Where is located this girl? Maybe the D.K. machine or the Vibroclast can >help her... just a tough... or the Polyatomic Oxygen? To us the P. Atomic >Oxygen is giving really amazing results! >Alex Torres M.D. > >-Original Message- >From: den...@perle.com [mailto:den...@perle.com] >Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 3:10 PM >To: silverl...@eskimo.com >Subject: CS>Off Topic - Can anyone help?? > > > >Hello CS listers- > >This is completely off topic and I apologize for that but I am devastated >at the news I received today. I am asking for any help you wonderful people >might have because I do not know where else to turn. > >A very dear friend of mine has a 7 year old daughter who has been diagnosed >with an inoperable brain glioma. Up until today, she has been in a research >program for a new type of chemotherapy that has worked to keep the cancer >isolated and under control. Today, they were told that she must go off of >the program because there is a high risk of Leukemia associated with the >dosage of chemo she has been receiving. The hospital and doctors will not >take responsibility for this & have essentially told them that there is >nothing else they will do for her. > >Unfortunately, I am not a doctor and do not know any other details >regarding the type of chemo she was receiving. I only know that thus far >it has helped keep her here with us and now her parents fear the worst. > >Please, if anyone has any info at all, could you share it with me. If you >would prefer, you can email me directly at den...@perle.com. > >Thank you all so much...please say a prayer for the Henry family...they >really need it. > >Dana > > > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>What am I making ?? c/gold
12 days? and only 99% gold? Then I would suspect you might have a solution of whatever the other 1% is. Blue leads me to suspect maybe copper salts? -Original Message- From: Ivan Anderson To: Silver-List Date: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 5:12 AM Subject: Re: CS>What am I making ?? c/gold >The standard reduction potential of gold is Au ---> Au+++ +3e- 1.4 >volts > or Au+ ---> Au+ + e- 1.69 volts >So you will have a gold sol. I believe this can take a little time and >you may be wise to limit the current, sounds the gold is burnt. > >Ivan. > >- Original Message - >From: P Yanko >To: >Sent: Sunday, 24 October 1999 09:40 >Subject: CS>What am I making ?? c/gold > > >> trying c/gold >> A little bit of experimenting has produced a clear solution with a >very >> faint tinge >> almost akin to a blue tropical lagoon. >> . >> 2 electrodes 99% Gold .7 mil dia 1' wetted. spacing 2.5mm, volts 36. >Dc >> current increased from 1ma >> to 30 ma after 12 days. hard black crud on electrodes, (had to >scrape it >> off) normal room temp (not heated water) >> No fallout. using steam distilled water. no starter solution. no >additives >> good tyndall effect. >> >> Does anyone have any idea what I have made, I sure dont. >> >> P Yanko >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal >silver. >> >> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message >to: >> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- >silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> >> List maintainer: Mike Devour >> >
Re: CS>silver coins
Use coins only if they are known to be .999 or better silver. Example: US silver coinage does not qualify. Canadian silver maple leafs are ok. Also if you use coins with clips to attach them to power source, the clips must not touch the water. -Original Message- From: Clarence A. Rainwater To: colloidal silver Date: Monday, October 25, 1999 1:46 PM Subject: CS>silver coins Started using CS 4 days ago,seem to have some extra energy.My husband too! Were loving it so far! Can we use troy silver coins to make CS? Any info out there on this? Thanks,Barbie
Re: CS>Earth Changes
Edgar Cayce was great at clairvoyant diagnosis of people's medical problems. He was really lousy at predicting earth changes. No worse than Gordon Scallion (according to whom last year there should have been a 9-10 point quake rupturing the San Andreas in Southern California.)and all the other losers out there trying to impress people. Track their predicitions over time, and you will see they are little better than random, or than the National Inquirer. All of these earth changes by the way according to Cayce were to have started in 1968, at which time the "greater portion of Japan will fall into the sea..." -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 10:22 AM Subject: CS>Earth Changes >For those who follow these things, Edgar Cayce said "Mt. Etna and Vesuvius signal >the major changes!", that is, the great earth changes will shortly follow the >eruptions of Etna and Vesuvius. > >Along with all the weirdness with the sun lately, Etna exploded last night: > >http://www.discovery.com/news/earthalert/991025/index/volcanoes_index.html > >Marshall > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>DC versus offset AC
It would seem to me that all that is needed to generate CS is a DC power source, pure silver electrodes and distilled water. Yet many of the CS generator boxes sold produce offset AC. I would appreciate the techies on the list what the advantage of offset or pulsed AC is over DC for generating CS. Thanks
CS>resistance
In the latest DISCOVER magazine one of the lead articles is entitled "The New Bacteria -- Why Antibiotics Aren't Working Any More". It deals with the significant growing problem of antibiotic resistant micoorganisms including staph, gonorrhea, and tuberculosis, which are due to overuse and underdosing of antibiotics. The problem of tolerance and acquired resistance is not limited to artificial agents: herbalists often recommend that if you are taking one of the natural antibacterial products like echinacea or hydrastis or astralagus, etc., that you vary or rotate the products to avoid the problem. Has anyone looked into this problem regarding colloidal silver, i.e. that bacteria can become resistant or tolerant over time?
Re: CS>WARNING: Shock Hazard, Sears Distiller
You are correct, Dean. I first looked askance at the "turn the plug around" idea because virtually all modern 2 wire power cords are polarised. However the one on the Sears distiller is NOT polarised. It can be easily inverted. One direction I read 0.7 VAC in the other direction I read 24 VAC. Guess you need to plug it in the right way and leave it there. Incidentally, any of you who have the "EcoWater" portable distiller, it is the same product. If you look closely on the Sears package or on labels it will say Manufacturer EcoWater. It surprises me that a product that pulls 5A can ship with a nonpolarised 2 wire plug AND still get the UL sticker (which it has). -- > From: Dean Woodward > To: l...@fbtc.net; Bill Schramm > Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: RE: CS>WARNING: Shock Hazard, Sears Distiller > Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 8:34 AM > > Bill: I have done a few more measurements on my Sears distiller. The > resistance from both sides of the plug to the metal cannister is greater > than 30 megohms (as high as my unit measures). With the unit plugged in (not > in water, give me a break :>)) I read 50 volts ac between the cannister and > ground (same readings with sink as ground and with ground wire in ac plug as > ground). If I turn the ac plug around I only read 5 volts ac to ground. I > just checked the wall socket and have 120 volts ac from one connector to > ground and about 7 millivolts from the other side to ground. So I think that > is normal. I don't have any idea where I am getting the 50 volts. If the > heating element is grounded at 50/120 of the way from one end, then turning > the plug around should make the reading 70 volts. But it doesn't. They > didn't teach me this at A&M in EE 101. > > Dean > > -Original Message----- > > From: Tai-Pan [mailto:l...@fbtc.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 8:49 AM > > To: Bill Schramm > > Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: CS>WARNING: Shock Hazard, Sears Distiller > > > > > > Bill Schramm wrote: > > > > > > I also received an unpleasant shock from my sears distiller. It > > > happened when the unit was being cleaned in a metal sink. Unit does > > > contain a "do not immerse" warning. Thereafter I never clean it > > > without unplugging > > > > > > -- > > > > Holy Smoke Folks, > > > > Putting electric things in water,with power on!! > > Throwing gasoline on fires!! > > I don`t do funerals very well, and I like you all alot, so knock off > > the dumb stuff. Scareing the hell out of me. :-) > > Engage brain before starting hands. > > Think about what you are doing, then think again. > > Most things require ten minutes of thinking and only one minute of > > doing. > > Hind sight is not good, you will be dead before you get to do it. > > Safety starts at home, not somewhere else. > > Your brain is your best safety tool. Use it. > > > > Bless you Bob Lee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast > > l...@fbtc.net > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>WARNING: Shock Hazard, Sears Distiller
I also received an unpleasant shock from my sears distiller. It happened when the unit was being cleaned in a metal sink. Unit does contain a "do not immerse" warning. Thereafter I never clean it without unplugging -- > From: Tai-Pan > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Cc: woodw...@educelec.com > Subject: Re: CS>WARNING: Shock Hazard, Sears Distiller > Date: Thursday, September 17, 1998 6:19 AM > > Dean Woodward wrote: > > > > I have observed a potentially serious problem, at least in the Sears > > water distiller which I have. > > > > The problem: When the unit is plugged in the entire inner stainless > > steel container carries full line voltage. I measured the voltage from > > the water inside the shell to ground (stainless kitchen sink) and it > > was 123 volts ac. > > > > In normal use this may not be a problem, as the plastic outer case of > > the distiller insulates the inner container. However, if the unit is > > left plugged in while refilling it there could be serious risk. > > > > I don't know if this is a general problem, or just a problem with my > > unit. I intend to ask Sears that question. > > > > Meantime, be aware of a potential safety risk! > > > > All the best, > > Dean > > Hi Dean and list, > Checked mine, no problem with it. > Mine reads over 400 megohm from each side of plug to steel water pot. > Read no voltage when pluged in and turned on, from pot to sink with > analog meter, 27 millivolt with hi impedance digital meter. > Using my fingers, did not feel any electricity while touching the pot > and sink at same time. > Maybe yours has been in water, or has a short in it. Keep in mind this > distiller is of double insulation construction ,just like the new > electric drills. A short is not very likely, would require two failures > at the same time. > Could be your wall receptical is miss-wired,thats a common problem > now-a-days with low skill help on construction jobs. > > Bless you Bob Lee > -- > oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast > l...@fbtc.net > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Fw: Source for .9999 silver wire ?
One very inexpensive source of . silver is the Canadian Silver Maple Leaf. This is a bullion coin without numismatic value. You can probably get them for 10 to 20 percent over the commodity price for silver. Use care, they used to be only .999 but more recent mintages are marked .999. Gold maple leafs are also . fine in recent mintages, if you want to make colloidal gold as well. -- > From: Bill Kingsbury > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Source for . silver wire ? > Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 5:16 PM > > > I purposely did not ask for a source of .999 silver > (only . or .9). > > btw, what are the trace elements in silver rounds ? > (What is the level of lead and other toxics ?) > > --Bill > > > At 09:11 PM 7-18-98 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Why don't you kill two birds with one stone and buy some 99.9 > silver rounds. > >They work just as well and will be very useful around March, 2000. God, > >Gold, and Guns made America great! Jolly > > > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: How to calibrate a ppm meter...
Forget the few tens of milligrams and try few thousands for half a teaspoon. (This is why I vastly prefer the metric system over the "English" system, which the English have largely abandoned and only the Americans retain.) Six teaspoons make a fluid ounce. A fluid ounce of water is equal to a ounce by weight. An ounce (avoirdupois) of water by weight is about 28 grams, that is 28,000 milligrams. So a halt a teaspoon would be between 3 and 4 THOUSAND milligrams if it were of water. There is not necessarily a relation between volume and weight for a solid substance such as salt: the coarsness of its grind will make a difference. So get a gram scale and weigh it. -- > From: M. G. Devour > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: How to calibrate a ppm meter... > Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 7:44 PM > > On 27 Mar 98 at 10:34, Fred Walter wrote: > > > >From: "M. G. Devour" > > >To do the latter, you need a standard solution > > > Can you give me a few more details? ... I'd rather not spend $24 > > CDN ($15 US) to buy calibrating solution from them if there is some > > easy obvious way of making it. > > I haven't done the figuring yet, but I assume you could take a > gallon of distilled water and add a level measuring spoon full of > granulated salt to get a pretty reproduceable and reasonable value > of concentration. > > I need to find out how much salt (by weight) is in a half-teaspoon > measure, for instance. If it's just a few tens of milligrams and we > know how many liters are in a gallon, you ought to be able to > calculate the milligrams of salt per liter. That is exactly what the > ppm is. > > If we have to, we could use a two step dilution, making a saline > solution in a gallon and diluting it further to get it into a range > that is close to where we want to measure. The key thing is to make > the steps simple and easy to do accurately. > > > >Now we know, *FOR DONNA'S CS ONLY,* that a meter reading of 11.5 > > >(averaging the 11 and 12 ppm readings before and after) is equivalent > > >to about 17ppm of silver as tested by the lab. Her calibration factor > > >would be 17/11.5 or about 1.5. > > > > I've read that the relationship is non-linear, so it is likely only > > 1.5 for readings of 11.5 ppm on your meter. But it is better than > > nothing. > > It depends. Rose and I have tested a couple of different materials > other than sodium chloride, and found that the meter is accurate at > the low end and starts to roll off (read low) when you get much > above 100ppm. Since most of us are trying to make CS that is at least > less than 50 ppm, it might be quite workable. > > Somebody still has to make a pretty dense batch of silver, upwards > of 30 or 40 ppm as measured by the lab, and then test it and several > dilutions down to say 5 ppm and see if it is linear in that range. If > so, we'll be okay. > > Those are my thoughts right now. I still have to send in my next > samples to the lab, as well as figure out an easy to make salt > standard. If you want to try your hand at it, all you need is *some* > kind of very accurate scale, so we can figure out the weight of any > standard size measuring spoon of salt. From there it's straight > arithmetic. > > Has anybody already done this? > > Mike D. > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > [mdev...@mail.id.net ] > [Speaking only for myself... ] > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: Was- Why defend orthodoxy...?
I agree with you in principle that it is current rather than voltage that is important. I also know it is possible to create with ICs or transistors a constant current source. But in practice, it is less expensive and complicated to create a voltage rather than a current source. If this is the case the current flowing through the medium will be determined by ohms law, and series resistors must be used to limit the current to acceptable levels. -- > From: Bruce K. Stenulson > To: ryb ; Silver List > Subject: Re: Was- Why defend orthodoxy...? > Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 9:52 PM > > ryb wrote: > > > I would like to mention that I believe that CSilver made from a > > steady current source is better than from a gizmo operating from > > batteries > > Please consider the possibility that there is no difference > electrons flowing in a circuit are electrons flowing in a circuit: > > I'd like to pass on to you a bit of foundational physics behind all of > this, since many on the silver list seem to have fallen for the "higher > voltage is better" pitch ... I'd like to have you evaluate this, > research it further if you wish, and let's try to dispell some of the > confusion... > > Let's go back to some basic definitions : > > Charge is expressed in Coulombs. 1 Coulomb = 6.242x10^18 electrons > > Current = the number of electrons flowing through a circuit in a given > period of time, expressed in Amperes. > > 1 Ampere = 1 coulomb per second. > > The flow of electrons through any CS generator is measured as current, > and is expressed as amps, or milli-amps , but is also able to be > calculated as a specific number of electrons flowing from the Cathode to > the Anode; the key to understand, is that 30mA of current flow at 5 > volts and 30 mA of current flow at 15,000 volts result in EXACTLY the > same number of electrons flowing through the system - no more, no less! > > Example: 30mA of current flowing through a circuit which has 5 volts > applied to it (from a small battery or a Monster Bench power supply) has > 1.87x10^17 electrons flowing through that circuit. > > Second example: a Circuit with 15,000 volts applied, with a current of > 30mA flowing through it has 1.87x10^17 electrons flowing through it. > > Exactly the same number of electrons are moving through both example > circuits, at the same speed, capable of doing exactly the same job... If > we are now back to looking at CS generators, when one electron reaches > the positively charged Anode, it can free one silver ion, allowing it to > move into the water between the electrodes... Voltage in this basic > reaction is irrelevant for a given current flow. > > Higher Voltage [electron pressure] can be used to overcome a lack of > conductivity, and is usefull as far as it is required, but the actual > electrons moving through the system are exactly the same, in the same > quantities > > Regulating current to desired levels is the key to quality CS > generation, but once you have enough voltage to overcome the low > conductivity of distilled water, anything beyond that is inconsequential > to the process... Current is very significant, while voltage is not > too much current is the thing you have to avoid for a given electrode > configuration... > > Hope this sheds a bit of clarity on the issue! This is part of the basic > foundation to understanding this process. More later. > > Take Care! > > Bruce K. Stenulson > Applied Technology > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
FAQ from March 23 silver list.
Fred Walter copied some comments by Thomas Miller on March 23, in which Mr. Miller discounted "golden" colloidal silver, reasoning that since silver "is" white and that known toxic compounds of silver are yellow, that "golden" solutions are likely contaminated with dangerous impurities. I am not by any means an expert in colloidal silver, its manufacture, or the field of alternative medicine in general. However, I do have a degree in chemistry and would like to point out some technical issues here. Elements do have distinctive chemical properties, but color is not one of them. Color not only depends on the element but its physical form. The most flagrant example would be carbon: in the form of diamond it is transparent, in the form of graphite it is shiny and opaque silver-black, in the form of soot it is pure black and nonreflective. Silver in fine suspension may have a color unrelated to that of the bulk metal because of the way it scatters light. The sky is blue not because the gases in the air are blue, but because they scatter blue-range light more efficiently than the other colors. Yellow color of a colloid is not necessarily the sign of impurities. Where does Mr. Miller believe he is getting exotic ions such as picrate and hyponitrate (or nitrite, which is separately mentioned but no different) or even bromide and iodide, from a starting material of pure silver and distilled water? Following is the original posting from Mr. Miller: ANSWERS TO FREQUENTLY-ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT COLLOIDAL SILVER There are no shortage of "experts" claiming all sorts of things about colloidal silver... saddly, most of it is simple hype aimed at getting you to buy their product rather than someone else's. This can make it very confusing to someone trying to so rt through all the claims and counter- claims. Here's some of the most commonly asked questions: IS "GOLDEN" COLLOIDAL SILVER BETTER? There is no such thing as "golden" colloidal silver. Silver is white. Lange's Handbook of Chemistry lists silver as "...the whitest of metals. Pure silver particles suspended in water should have a very slight white- colored fog to it. If you make colloidal silver with a very low current, it will take a long time... long enough for silver compounds to be formed due to electrolysis. Even distilled water contains trace elements, and Merck's Handbook describes many silver compounds as "pale yellow." They include silver bromide, silver carbonate, silver chlorite, silver hyponitrate, silver iodide, silver nitrite, silver phosphate and silver picrate. Some of these compounds are described as toxic. The proper way to make colloidal silver is to use enough current to cause tiny silver particles (each 12 to 15 atoms) to be "knocked" off of the electrodes, making the desired concentration in 5 to 7 minutes. This is a MECHANICAL process. You want to do it quickly enough so that compounds do not have time to form. If the process takes 20 to 45 minutes, the chemical process overshadows the mechanical effect, and you get silver compounds. WHAT compounds depend on the content of the original water. Some silver compounds are quite toxic. Merck's lists silver nitrate as highly poisonous. (other unrelated comments about colloidal silver follow in original posting)
Re: CS Electrochemistry - exactly what is CS?
If you ingest c.bot. (botulism) toxin at this level, it will definitely affect you. You will be dead. -Original Message- From: poida To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 4:10 PM Subject: Re: CS Electrochemistry - exactly what is CS? > > >samma...@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 5/16/99 11:20:27 AM EST, po...@labyrinth.net.au writes: >> >> << 2. CS cures I have read are all anecdote. There is zero medical evidence >> that CS at 30 ppm say can cure anything or have any antiseptic effect. >> About the only orally ingested drug which can (and does) have an effect >> at these low levels is LSD. >> >> >> It's not all anecdotal. Read below. >> >> >> >> Colloidal silver was tested at the UCLA Medical >> Labs. Its Report states that " The silver >> solutions were antibacterial for concentrations of >> 1 million organisms per ml of Streptococcus > >Ionic silver is a mild antiseptic. No concentratiuon given. > > > > >> >> >> Dr Robert Becker,M.D., author of 'The Body >> Electric' and 'Crosscurrents", found that silver >> caused cells to dedifferentiate and >> re-differentiate in the process of regenerative >> healing. " what we had actually done was >> rediscover the fact that silver killed bacteria, >> which had been known for centuries...when >> antibiotics were discovered, clinical uses for >> silver as an antibiotic were discarded" Becker >> said in a 1995 interview with Bio/Tech News. >> > >It was discarded before antibiotics in fact because better antiseptics were >available. See JAMA 90(11), march 17, 1928, 849-851. > > > > > >> Extensive research into the curative properties of >> silver has been conducted for many years at the >> Upstate Medical Center, Syracuse University, >> Syracuse, N.Y. under the direction of Dr. Becker. >> The experiments concluded that silver works on a >> wide range of bacteria, without any known side >> effects or damage to the cells of the body. Becker >> discovered that the silver was doing something >> more than just killing disease causing organisms; >> It was also causing major growth stimulation of >> injured tissues. Dr. Becker concludes that the >> presence of the silver ion may help to regenerate >> tissue, eliminate old or cancerous cells, and any >> other diseased or abnormal tissue condition. >> > >no reference or date or anything! > > > >> Dr. Henry Crooks (author, 'Use of colloidals in >> Health-Diseases) found that silver in the >> colloidal state is highly germicidal, quite >> harmless to humans and absolutely non-toxic. From >> his bacteriological experiments with silver he >> concluded, " I know of no microbe that is not >> killed in laboratory experiments in six minutes." >> > >same a Dettol, Clorox bleach, ... > > > >> Dr. Bjorn Nordenstrom, of the Larolinska >> Institute, Sweden, has successfully used silver as >> a component in his cancer treatments for many >> years. Dr. Leonard Keene Hirschberg, A.M., M.D. >> (John Hopkins) states, "Speaking generally, the > >I have done alot of reading on alt-med cancer cures and I have never come >across this. Reference? > > > > >> >> >> Finally, Peter Lindemann reports in his 1997 >> article,'Colloidal Silver, A Closer Look' that a >> study conducted in part by the Institute of >> Microbiology in Rome, Italy and published in >> 'Applied Environmental Microbiology (Dec. 1992), >> stated that "Pure electro-colloidal silver >> outperformed silver nitrate, silver chloride, and >> silver sulfadiazine as a broad spectrum germicide. >> For all classes of bacteria, fungus, and mold >> sample tested, pure electro-colloidal silver >> worked better, and at much lower concentrations. >> They concluded that any additives reduced the >> effectiveness of the pure silver ion; the silver >> salts being as much as 100 times less effective." >> > >I will try to look this up. > >peter crowcroft >Cancer & Tumor Information Site >http://kitsrus.com/pheo.html > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gratuitous Gun Control Comments
Unless you are talking about using the legendary silver bullets to kill vampires, I don't see why firearms discussion belongs on the silver list, any more than other discussions of politics, religion, etc. Various people differ on their views concerning firearms and they can discuss their issues in another forum. -Original Message- From: alon...@usa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 7:18 AM Subject: CS>Gratuitous Gun Control Comments >To the writer of the following: > >"(But then I am not in the USA where kids seem to regularly shoot >up schools because they all have free access to handguns! My kids here in >australia have never even seen a real handgun or rifle. In Hong Kong the very >possession of a bullet can send you to jail. So I would not >worry about not giving them CS for a while.)" > >Yes, you certainly have a sarcastic mouth on you! I don't appreciate your >hostile and exaggerated comments, and they are way off topic anyway, just >thrown in to zing us. Have a some respect! Now that you've had your little >slap at our freedom to own firearms, how about staying off the newsgroup if >you can't stay civil? > >Alonzo >alon...@usa.net > > >Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT..parasites...
I am not a biologist, but I believe I saw paramecia on the Bare tape, and I believe the paramecium had a nucleus. If so, by definition, it is eukaryotic. Prokaryotes do not have nuclei. -Original Message- From: James Osbourne, Holmes To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 11:29 AM Subject: RE: CS>OT..parasites... >Very Cool. > >Do you know if paramecium are eukarotic or prokaroytic? This has important implications for treating various zoonoses. > >Thanks, > >James Osbourne, Holmes > >a...@trail.com > >-Original Message- >From: Reid Smith [SMTP:rsm...@intrnet.net] >Sent: Sunday, May 16, 1999 4:08 PM >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >Subject: RE: CS>OT..parasites... > >>1. Was there control for the critter just dying as the result of being in >>the beam of light from the microscope? I have watched them die just from >>looking at them. > > I've watched them countless hours and ALL of them don't just die. Adding >CS to the bubble on the slide and they will ALL die with in seconds. > >>2. There is probably a protocol for doing this. Lacking that knowledge, I >>would get a bunch of them, and observe that they were alive. > > No protocal needed, put a drop on a slide that contains the critters, >look to see that there is alot of movement, then add a drop of CS and >all movement will stop.. > > > > > >Take Care > >Reid > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT..parasites...
I am not a biologist, but I recall seeing Paramecia on the Bare tape (illustrating the antimicrobial activity of the Rife/Bare machine) and believe they had nuclei. If they have nuclei, they are by definition eukaryotic. -Original Message- From: James Osbourne, Holmes To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 11:29 AM Subject: RE: CS>OT..parasites... >Very Cool. > >Do you know if paramecium are eukarotic or prokaroytic? This has important implications for treating various zoonoses. > >Thanks, > >James Osbourne, Holmes > >a...@trail.com > >-Original Message- >From: Reid Smith [SMTP:rsm...@intrnet.net] >Sent: Sunday, May 16, 1999 4:08 PM >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >Subject: RE: CS>OT..parasites... > >>1. Was there control for the critter just dying as the result of being in >>the beam of light from the microscope? I have watched them die just from >>looking at them. > > I've watched them countless hours and ALL of them don't just die. Adding >CS to the bubble on the slide and they will ALL die with in seconds. > >>2. There is probably a protocol for doing this. Lacking that knowledge, I >>would get a bunch of them, and observe that they were alive. > > No protocal needed, put a drop on a slide that contains the critters, >look to see that there is alot of movement, then add a drop of CS and >all movement will stop.. > > > > > >Take Care > >Reid > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Does MSM bind with CS? Is it a problem to take Charcoal with CS?
Please do not refer to MSM as an "element". It is a chemical compound. I don't know whether MSM exists naturally in the body at all, but if it does it is at incredibly trace levels. You are referring to the element sulfur, which is present in a few of the essential amino acids like cystein and lysine. Although there is a valid point in favor of sulfur supplementation, and MSM may be an efficient way of getting sulfur into the body, there is no RDA for MSM. Most of the sulfur ingested by a person in a natural diet consists of sulfur containing amino acids in consumed proteins and in sulfates from minerals in drinking water. I take MSM myself, so I am not knocking the product. I am knocking claims misleading people to believe that it (MSM, not sulfur) is an essential nutrient or a natural product. As I define "natural product" (derived or refined exclusively from plant or animal sources without synthetic chemicals) it does not qualify. Now the question of binding to silver. Does silver bind to sulfur? Absolutely. The black tarnish on silverware is largely sulfur compounds. Will MSM precipitate colloidal silver in vitro? I don't know, haven't tested it. And even if it did the kinetics of the process might render it insignificant on consumption, particularly if spaced. How about other sources of sulfur? Is there any problem with taking colloidal silver near a meal with a lot of beans and onions? No idea. -Original Message- From: Tim J Eastman To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 8:46 AM Subject: RE: CS>Does MSM bind with CS? Is it a problem to take Charcoal with CS? >Tim here,.. > >MSM is already in the body reguardless of you taking suppliments or not. >It's the third (or fourth) most common element in the body but *can* be >supplimented with outstanding results. > >MSM in the body will produce colligen(sp?) when combined w/ vitamin C. This >helps those of us with sore joints immensely. It also helps the permiability >of cell walls and lung tissue so that food/oxygen/wastes are handled with >less work. Which brings us to your question of whether or not in BINDS with >Silver; like I said,. MSM is already in the human body. If ANYthing it >probably HELPS the body assimilate and use it more effectively. > >I have no clue how activated charcoal would perform with either one as I >have absolutely no experience with it other than my kitchen faucet. I *DO* >know it works GREAT there! > >tje > >-Original Message- >From: skyl...@aol.com [mailto:skyl...@aol.com] >Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 11:01 AM >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >Subject: CS>Does MSM bind with CS? Is it a problem to take Charcoal with >CS? > > >Here are two questions asked by a member of the candida forum I thought you >good folks could answer: > >>From Mike: > >"I've just started MSM 500 mg. > >Does MSM bind with Colloidal Silver ? > >Could MSM interfere with Colloidal Silver ? > >Would it be a good idea to alternate each day between MSM and Activated >Charcoal ?" > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS Electrochemistry - exactly what is CS?
Good point about ppm. What exactly is ppm? As I understand it it is parts per million by weight. Since 1 liter of water weighs a million milligrams (or 1 millileter of water weighs a million micrograms) the terms ppm ug/ml and mg/L should be equivalent. But what are you measuring with whatever device is reporting ppm? Number of particles? Number of charges? -Original Message- From: poida To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 9:20 AM Subject: CS Electrochemistry - exactly what is CS? >We have been reading this NG for a couple of weeks. May I make the >following comments: > >1. CS - whatever it is - is given as ppm. Since colloidal size can vary >over two to three orders of magnitude this term is hardly exact! ug/ml >would be better. Has anyone actually measured the CS size range? > >2. CS cures I have read are all anecdote. There is zero medical evidence >that CS at 30 ppm say can cure anything or have any antiseptic effect. >About the only orally ingested drug which can (and does) have an effect >at these low levels is LSD. > >3. But what actually is the electrochemistry of the CS production. A >chemistry friend who has a PhD in colloidal silver and palladium (using >the Bredig process) has just tested two CS units he found had been >purchased by his students. He tested them and here is what he found: > > >In the first unit when the two Ag electrodes are placed in distilled >water and a current >drawn, the reactions occurring INITIALLY at the cathode and anodes are >as >follows: > >Cathode: H2O + 2e- ---> H2 gas + 2OH- >Anode : Ag -> Ag+ + e- > >Now in distilled water which will have a pH near neutrality or slightly >lower (5-7) due to dissolbved CO2, the released Ag+ ion from the anode >is >stable in solution...BUT as the cathode reaction proceeds (and we see a >gas >given off) the pH of the medium increases since hydroxide ion is being >released. > >Aqueous Ag+ ion is UNSTABLE at higher pH and begins to precipitate as >the >silver oxide This gives rise to a browny colour in the solution. Over >the >course of time it is entirely possible that some Ag+ (if sufficient >remains >in solution) may also make it to the cathode and also be reduced to form > >silver (though this generally manifests itself as a dendrites (these >could >also be silver oxide forming)). At any rate, I believe that silver oxide >is >responsible for the colouration we see (there could be some complex >photochemistry operating as well but lets not complicate the >issue)at >any rate, the manufacturers of this apparatus claim that Ag+ cannot be >present ..this is bunk ...of course it is present other wise how else >would >the silver oxide form by precipitation as the pH rises?? > >To prove my point, we did an experiment with the second silver >generator that was bought by >my other student in contrast to the first apparatus which produced >the BROWN solution, this one produced a CLOUDY WHITE >solution and ALSO exhibited a high pH after 20 minutes or so of 9.3. Why > >the difference??? Well the manufacturers of the machine recommended the >addition of common table salt (sodium chloride) to enhance conductivity! > >The white solid that thus formed was not silver oxide but SILVER >CHLORIDE >as this compound is relatively more insoluble than silver oxide and thus > >forms preferentially. It forms by simple reaction between Ag+ and Cl- in > >solution thus demonstrating reasonably conclusively the production of >Ag+ >during the electochemical process. > > >What is very clear from these tests is that no Ag metal is produced. The >idea that the electric current causes little bits of silver to jump off >or dissolve from the silver electrode to silver colloidal particles in >the distilled water is just wrong. The idea may be appealing but it is >wrong electrochemically: it cannot happen. What is being formed is >silver oxide. Some settles out on the bottom of the container, while >some remains suspended in solution. > >CS produced this way is dissolved Ag2O and suspended particles of Ag2O. >It is certainly not metallic silver. > >5. It must be noted that metallic silver and ionic silver are two >completely different chemical states with completely different chemical >properties. (Just like H2O is different to H2 or O2. And NaCl is >completely different to sodium metal and chlorine gas.) Many of the CS >sites do not make clear which silver state they are talking about. >Metallic silver has no antiseptic properties and is not a trace element >required by the body. > >Ionic silver is a mild antisepitc but at much higher concentrations than >30 ppm (whatever that actually is.) Ionic silver is not required by the >body. > >6. No amount of CS as produced above could possibly cause argyria. >General systemic argyria needs at lease 10 grams of ionic silver taken >taken over 6 months. > >7. Eating mushrooms will give you more ionic silver than CS produced as >above. Milk has a natural ionic silver cont
Re: CS>How it worked for me
Another simpler method would be to use a resistor in series. I use a walkman type power supply for my dc cs which has a 300ma rating. At 24V anything over 100 ohms would be sufficient to limit the current, but 1000 would be better. A bonus for this is you can measure the voltage drop across the resistor and quickly calculate from ohms law the current going through the silver. If there is a 1V drop across a 100 ohm resistor, the current is 10 milliamps (V=IR) -Original Message- From: Charles King To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 8:35 PM Subject: Re: CS>How it worked for me >A small 40ma bulb is soldered in series with your battery pack to >limit current in case you short your leads together. Saves the >batteries. Can be used to check if your batteries are still good >without a meter. >You've heard of bells and whistles added as refinements? This is a >light! > Chuck > >On Fri, 21 May 1999 21:18:35 -0400, "Sharon L. House" >wrote: > >>You wrote: >> >>>I used the older method of 3 batteries, with a lightbulb, all soldered >>together, to make my CS 3 years ago. >> >> >>What's this about a light bulb?? Never heard of this method. > >I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And >I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS - water
The chemical reasons you need distilled water are that tap water contains common anions like chloride and sulfate which form insoluble salts with silver. -Original Message- From: ellsworth o. johnson To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 6:58 PM Subject: Re: CS - water >Hi Ron: >Here are electrical reasons why you need DW water. DW water is an insulator. >Well water or tap water has much disolved solids in itself which make it a >electrical conductor rather than an insulator. Making CS is an electrical >process and you don't want the electrical current flow to be influenced by >the disolved solids which give the current an undesired electrical path. >Triple steam distilled water is almost a perfect insulator. > >EOJ > > > >-Original Message- >From: RONjb >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 5:49 PM >Subject: CS - water > > >>Hi list; I was wondering about the water used in CS production. I'am >>fairly new to the list and have missed the posts on why distilled >>water (DW) is recommended and the opinions that one type of DW is better >>than others. I made my first batches with my well water (WW), then after >>reading that most folks use DW I tried that. The DW just seemed dead to >>me. The WW more drinkable and tasting better. Also tried a >>grain of salt in the starting water. This had a sweet taste and was >>refreshing to drink. I only made one batch with the salt as I read >>here on the list that it was not a good idea. I think that any water >>that has ever been in contact with bleach/chlorine would be no good >>for CS making. Bleach/chlorine is used to strip silver from photo film. >>By just dipping the film in bleach the silver will end up on the bottom >>of the vessel. This silver can be melted and poured. It reports to be >>99.999 pure in most cases (tests done by others). If plants are any >>clue to waters vitality than clean rain water (no acid rain thanks) is >>a good choice. My experience with watering plants is that city water will >>keep them alive but just one natural rain will make them thrive. >>Through the ages one source of water or another has been preferred >>over another. This selection is based no doubt on results of its use. >>It should be noted that deep well water is a recent source of water. >>The machinery to drill deep into the earth is of recent history. Surface >>water and shallow wells took us through thousands years. >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >>The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >>To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >>silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >>with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> >>To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> >>List maintainer: Mike Devour >> >> > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
