CS>for those interested in hydrogen peroxide therapy/use
Invite your friends to join by forwarding this message or copy and pasting it to an email. The more the merrier and the more knowledge we will all gain from each other. Please send this to your friends and any other loops that you are on that folks may be interested. 35% Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide- how we've used it, where we get it and other information that's helpful. Some folks use it in the pool, some in the whirlpool, the bath, the water and aloe vera gel. How do you use it? Do you use ozone generators? How do you and what benefits do you find that come with using it? Any other healthy products that you've found beneficial may me discussed, however H2O2 is our biggest discussion area on this loop. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HydrogenPeroxide/ Post message: hydrogenperox...@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: hydrogenperoxide-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: hydrogenperoxide-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com List owner: hydrogenperoxide-ow...@yahoogroups.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT maybe - rash
Well, this isn't diet related, but I've founda mosquito "zapper" keeps the bugs away - mosquitos, chiggers, and others. I spend a lot of evening hours in my garden, and without this little electronic gizmo I'm also a bug magnet. With it they pretty much leave me alone. I just clip it onto my shirt, runs on a battery. Bought mine at the local hardware store - they seem to be available a lot of places these days. i have wondered what else they might be effecting?? But they do seem to get the bugs to stay away. Joy I'm hoping some of you people can help me solve a problem I'm having. It seems that I'm a bug magnet, and now that we've decided to spend more time outdoors, I get bitten all the time. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Neuropathy
Mary Lou Borgert wrote: DO YOU KNOW IF ASPERTANE CAUSES ONE TO GO INTO A COMA? PLEASE go to http;//www.sweetpoison.com It lists all the problems that can occur, the "science" of the why, AND most importantly tells you what you can do about it - you don't have to buy anything from this doctor - someone who herself had severe symptoms of aspartame toxicity, and cured herself, and tells how. She does sell various services that are not necessary to heal yourself or a loved ones. But the site gives you the information of what you need to do. Specifically. Abstinance is NOT enough for most people having severe symptoms. There are many causes for coma, and I doubt that anyone could tell you whether or not the aspartame had involvement in this. However, if the person drank several diet cokes a day over a period of a couple years, you can be assured there is some degree of aspartame poisoning, which does cause severe neurological problems that can mimic other diseases and conditions, and can indeed lead to the state of going into a coma. PLEASE go and read this site. I saved my son's life with theinformation on that site. And know of others who have have similar recoveries . The skeptics will never believe you - they're too tied into consensus thinking and/or addicted to their own sugar-free softdrinks to look at reason. Just look at the site and think for yourself. Joy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Neuropathy
Go to http://www.sweetpoison.com Joy Has anyone heard of the Aspertame causing neuropathy and does anyone know of anything that might help. Thanks for your help, Patti -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Lupus questions
I have lupus related arthritis, and MSM keeps me nearly painfree. Without it I am quite incapacitated - unable to walk without severe pain. I take a heaping tablespoon of MSM daily, just dissolving it as well as it will in a bit of water, rinsing it down with more water. When I have any pain, such as after exposure to sun or damp earth, I take more. Relieves the pain within an hour usually. Lupus is more a set of symptoms, not one homogeneous condition. it effects everyone differently. Usually arthritis is present. Usually asthma is present. Many many other factors, some have, others don't. Joy I`d like to know what the usual symptoms are. but now what do I do for all the aches?? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra
I can check with the chemists but I believe that meth is easy enough to make from fairly easily obtained and inexpensive base chemicals that using commerical pills as a starter would not be economical. It's a dangerous process but not a hard one. Are you sure they're making "methamphetamine" and not just concentrating pseudo-ephedrine into a crystaline form? They are definately making meth. And they are definately using pseuphedrine and other cold pills as part of the base - takes other chemicals as well. Smells like a sewer when they make the stuff - set up labs often in temporary sites, like rent a hotel room for a week, move when folks start complaining about the smell. Do it in a mobil home that they keep moving. That kind of thing. Mobil home or hotel rental work well since they have to move around to get enough of the pseuphedrine. Cops are finding labs by watching the pseuphedrine sales - mandatory reporting on multiple packages bought at one store. All sales videorecorded. They track back from the sale to find the buyer, and trace the lab from that. Its the new cash "crop" of SEK. Lots of burnt out farmers have a lab going in a back barn There may be other ways for chemists to get the chemicals, but around here either folks don't know how to get the stuff another way, or this is the only"recipe" they know. Its big business around here. Joy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>allergy, xylitol
Will the person who sent me the private message regarding my allergies, please resend that message. My computer crashed and I lost all my saved messages. Thank you for the original message and for the resend, it sounds worth a try. Sara Joy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra
Is there a difference between the herb ephedrine and the synthesized chemical ephedrine..as in the analog chemical pseudo-ephedrine used for cold pills ..by big bucks 'over the counter' interests who are always trying to get drugs approved so you don't have to get an expensive prescription from the big bucks medical establishment? [and sold 'as' methamphetamine by unscuplulous dealers to people who don't know the difference between a cold pill, meth, caffine pills and any other form of stimulant] Here in SEK there are tons of little meth labs out in the rural areas. They actually use the pseudophed tablets as part of the base of the meth, mixed with various chemicals into a soup that is then crystalized into meth. So they don't sell the cold pills instead of meth, they use them in producing meth. Its one of the main ingredients. Thats why those of us with legitimate allergic type need for pseudophed, or its cheaper copycat versions, can only buy 24 or so at a time now - which I often go through in 4 days, and is much more expensive than when I used to be able to buy a bottle of 96 or more of them. Frustrating. Plus, you have to buy it at the pharmacy window - its not on the shelves, so you have to stand in line for fifteen minutes or so to get the stuff. And if you're back within a week, which i am during allergy season, they look at you real funny and ask questions. Groan. Joy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>DMSO- MSM
Severe arthritis pain without it. ** I have one question, what is your reason for "taking" MSM? Jack Only one person in two billion -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>DMSO- MSM
I've read that MSM has the active igredients of DMSO, but you get it without the garlic breath/smell - which I used to hate. And MSM does work for me the same as DMSO used to, so my guess is it is true. I buy MSM bulk, by 20+ pounds at a time, and its not horribly expensive that way - I get it over the net. Check around - a lot of misinformation on the net about MSM and purity, claiming certain kinds are "more" pure, especially if they will fully dissolve in water. Not true. Would be convenient, easier to take, but not more pure or effective. The kind I take does not fully dissolve in water, unless it is a very small amount - I take a tablespoon at a time in a quarter cup of water, and it only partially dissolves. You just swallow it anyway and chase it with more water. Joy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fasting & Beck protocol update...
Hi again. One addition to the liver-cleanse comment. I do them regularly, and have improved "tolerance" for about 3 weeks afterwards, till the next batch of "stones" are ready to go - the liver wraps toxins it doesn't know what to do with into what the medical world calls gall bladder stones after they calicify - usually in the gall bladder. The average person has about 3000 of these in their liver. Each "flush" clears out several hundred or so. Dr. Clark suggests doing the flush every two weeks till they're all gone. However, using the Atkins diet actually detoxes the body, many lingering toxins flush out, and can overwhelm the liver, causing additional stones. So just one liver cleanse/flush is probably not going to "fix" the food intolerances permanently for you.Hard to do a Dr. Clark cleanse on Atkins diet, becuase you can't have any fat on the day of the flush, so you have to modify things somewhat. I eat low-fat protein early in the day - like boiled or poached eggs, tuna in water with no oil or mayonnaise, plus salad greens. Or you could just do a fast for the day - not in Atkins protocol, but won't kill anyone for sure. I did, on a Dr. Clark list recently, hear about another form of liver cleanse, using a machine called a "rayocamp". I'll see if I can find the post, and paste it in here. "The device I use for testing and treatment is a Rayocomp PS100. I wrote a report on this device shortly after I bought it last December and now, having used it for some months, can confirm that it is the equivalent of an automatic syncrometer plus a treatment device. It will remove pathogens, toxins (including metals and PCB's) from the system and get the organs and endocrine system functioning well. It also treats allergies (15 minutes treatment for a mild allergy). Since using this device I have been able to monitor my body properly and clean it up in a way I just couldn't do before. I have cured my Wilson's Syndrome (low blood temperature), a jaw infection, all my allergies and dealt with many other problems. I now have the energy levels I had in my twenties as my endocrine system is functioning properly. I have also used it on some family and friends for things like sciatica, chronic back pain, uterine problems, asthma , kidney infection - all with amazing effect. It also has an acupuncture facility (without needles). You can probably tell I'm pretty impressed ! I also did the liver cleanse to end all liver cleanses recently. For the first time I used the Rayocomp to test for stones in the liver, bile bucts and gall bladder and for parasites in these places (I took no parasite herbs or other supplements). I then treated until all parasites tested negative before doing the cleanse and gallstones had been treated (I assume they are either softened or 'smashed' by the frequencies). I have never done a liver cleanse like this one and I am now not showing any resonances to gallstones at the sites mentioned. I feel so well. Sorry if I've gone on a bit but this is some device. One of my earlier reports was sent to Dr. Clark's brother (at his request) and I believe Hulda has now seen a demonstration of this device. The only BIG drawback is that getting training and advice in some parts of the world is very difficult. The supplier in the USA will have equipment sent to you directly from Germany but then you're on your own unless you want to go and spend a day with them being shown how to use it. You would not be able to use it to its full potential in a day and I really don't know how informed the suppliers are to offer such training. Having said all this, if anyone wants my report on the device please contact me personally. If anyone goes ahead and buys this device I have a list of about 50 questions and answers that I can send to them that should answer many of their queries." (the quoted post above was from a woman named Bea, address bealittlem...@yahoo.co.uk) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fasting & Beck protocol update...
I lost 30 pounds on Atkins then nothing. They're right when they say you'll slow down to nothing on "hidden carbs." I'm saddened by just how tight the requirements really are. They are only super tight on induction, which is only two weeks. AFter that you start increasing by 5 grams a week till you find the level at which you continue moderate weight loss - no more than 2 pounds a week, or it is going too fast for your body to handle. Many people are able to continue losing weight on 60 grams of carbs, which leaves quite a bit of room - not for sugars or processed carbs for sure, but leaves much more room for the hidden carbs in spices and conditments and such, which can throw you off. As to stalling, everyone has plateaus in weight loss, on any diet, as your body readjusts to new levels. If you stick with it - can take a couple months - the weight starts coming off again, UNLESS you have a food intolerance that you haven't recognized. Atkins is not a generic diet, it is highly individualized. Part of following Atkins as he wrote it, is discovering which foods your body can handle and which it can't. Many of us that have insulin resistance also cannot handle various specific foods, which can trigger insulin surges even though they aren't on the official no-no list. For some people this includes caffeine - a very common insulin/glucose trigger food. For others it is one or more of the artificial sweeteners - many folks can't handle these. The one least people have trouble with is stevia. For others it is cheese, even though it is officially allowed up to 4 ounces a day, some people won't lose a pound, at all, as long as they eat ANY cheese. For others it is eggs. You have to experiment, if you find yourself in a stall, to find if its just a readjustment process or whether you have a food intolerance that is slowing you down. Good news is that cleansing your liver will improve your ability to tolerate even the trouble foods, and make you less likely to stall on them. Joy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Atkins diet Warning
> Anyone on this group tried eating meat and cheese only for a period of time > like a month or two? > Hi Orpha, As I said before, he needs enough water, he needs his vegatables. He needs not to use artificially sweetened "gallons" of koolaid rather than water. He's not doing Atkins. Atkins also allows a maximum of 4 ounces of cheese a day, and for many of us, none - those of us who are intolerant of it. It "stalls" my weight loss inevtably, even if I was doing everything else "right" and not eating more than the 4 ounces a day allowed. Articial sweeteners also stall many people - though stevia is less of a problem than any of the others. Anyways, its too bad he doesn't care. Not much you can do about that... sadly. Joy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Atkins diet Warning
Hey, I may be on an Atkins diet and not know it?! : ) Hi Orpha, sounds like you've got a great diet! I too cringe at what you describe your cousins are doing. Fresh raw greens are a necessity. Pure water is a necessity. Very limited artificially sweetened foods/liquids are allowed, - total of 3 packets, or 6 teaspoons of splenda perday - equal to 6 teaspoons of regular sugar. But those liquids do not replace the required water. Nor does tea or any other beverage. Your body needs plain water to flush out what needs flushing from the body, and especially from the kidneys.Please suggest your cousins get and read the book, Dr. Atkin's New Diet Revolution. It explains the why and how. Hope they get the message. What they are doing is not healthful, and could be dangerous. But I guess you knew that. Good to hear from you, Orpha Joy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Atkins diet Warning
Orpha, I appreciate your concern. However, research, listed on the Atkins site, shows that no long term damage is done when followed correctly. I eat no meat, so its definately not a problem for me. I'm getting my protein from soy products and eggs. And have to work to get enough. But thousands and thousands of people eat this way, with plenty of meat. Your kidneys can get in trouble IF you don't drink enough water, which is part of the clear instructions with the diet. I have to drink 14 glasses a day. People who don't drink the full amount of water for the amount of weight they have to lose CAN get into trouble. People who de drink sufficient water don't. The water flushes out both the byproducts of the fat breakdown and the excess protein. Another thing is, you're not eating tons of meat or protein on this diet, because the fat intake and the ketosis suppresses your appetite, considerably. Its hard to get down enough of any amount of food. After the first two weeks - induction period - you up the levels carbohydrates, slowly, simply never adding in back the junk food carbs. And no grains. But abundant vegatables - I'm back to my 4 cups of salad greens at a meal, and loving it. Fruits will come later. I've never much liked cooked veggies, but I could substitute some of my salad green for some of those. The long term benefits of losing the weight are incredible, and discovering/curing various food addictions/allergins you have along the way - many people have unknown addictions to many of the grains, like wheat and corn. Plus, you do so getting ALL the nutrients you need, after the first two weeks. And you do so pleasantly, without getting hungry. People following the day usually set up with one of the diet programs, like http://www.fitday.com which breaks down the total of what your eating, letting you know anything you are getting too much or too little of. By the time you have lost all the weight you need to lose, and are on a maintenance diet, you are able to eat a fruit each day, an occasional potato, mostly whatever you like that keeps the carbs moderate enough not to regain the weight. Most people that eat this diet don't ever change back to low fat diets, which are FAR more damaging to the body than is Atkins. Yes, any change creates a stress.But this is a very healthful way of life for many people. Joy Orpha Yoder wrote: Dear friends, I have been following the thread about Atkins diet and just wanted to share a word of caution -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT ... Fat burning and "The Master Cleanse"
Doesn't ketosis only indicate that fat is being converted to glucose? Or does it mean that stored fat is being burned. Because if it is just fat, and you are on a high fat diet, could it not simply mean that the fat being burned is the fat in the diet? It could, but research shows that when you are eating the atkins diet as prescribed, you ARE burning stored fat, as well as spilling out any extra you eat - which is why there is no problem with eating lots of it - in fact, it helps, it satiates you completely, but you don't put on weight. And the fact that you are burning fat is born out by the scales - I eat an incredibly high fat diet - and am consistently losing weight, 2-3 pounds a week of it. Joy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT ... Fat burning and "The Master Cleanse"
Terry, I have kind of a knee-jerk reaction when people assume that because something works for them it will/should work for someone else. Letting folks know what works for you is great. While your post is clearly well-meaning, Paula made it clear she has tried fasting and it was NOT what worked for her nor what she wants to try again. Why can't you take her at her word rather than assuming what works for you is true for her as well? Not intending to come across as hostile here, or critical, just wondering... Joy tdg39 wrote: Hi Paula, IMHO all you need to do to learn how to fast is drink only juice and water for a few days. I always thought I couldn't do it until I tried, and it was easy. Was only hungry a little the first day. After that it was only that I missed the enjoyment of eating. Was not hungry and amazingly my energy level increased almost daily. My 1st was only for 3 days. Now I do 5 or 6 day fasts once a month. Weight is coming down and I feel great. Again, I have never been hungry after the 1st day and I drink mostly water. Some juice. Be Well and Prosper, Terry - Original Message - From: "sol" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 11:58 PM Subject: Re: CS>OT ... Fat burning and "The Master Cleanse" Hmm, Maybe the chocolate "fast" would work for me--I've tried the master cleanse thing a few times and never made it 24 hours yet. The low blood sugar effects and the stomach pain feeling is just too much for me--but then I'm almost 60 and have never managed to fast a day in my life so far on ANY type of fasting plan. paula - Original Message - From: "Sara Joy" It does seem strange, yet not logically but intuitively it feels right to me that you could go into ketosis that way - different mechanism than simply lowering the carbs; but still seems right to me. I have a friend who lost a lot of weight by going on a chocolate diet to get into ketosis. She loved chocolate, couldn't do without it, so she ate nithing but chocolate - tons of it, for ten days at a time, then did a week of as sensible, balanced, but calorie limited eating as she could, then went back on ten days of the chocolate. She did go into ketosis. It wasn't that healthy a diet, but it was what she could do. Today she could do atkins using sugar free chocolate, but this was years ago before there was such a thing. Doesn't make logical sense, but it worked. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour .
Re: CS>OT ... Fat burning and "The Master Cleanse"
I was working with the Eades' Protien Power Life Plan. Similar, but a bit less restrictive than Atkins, from my understanding. Knowing all this, I was struck by the claim in the "Master Cleanse" literature that it would burn fat. Made no sense. Thus my question. Got ya, I wasn't following the early part of this thread. Sorry. It does seem strange, yet not logically but intuitively it feels right to me that you could go into ketosis that way - different mechanism than simply lowering the carbs; but still seems right to me. I have a friend who lost a lot of weight by going on a chocolate diet to get into ketosis. She loved chocolate, couldn't do without it, so she ate nithing but chocolate - tons of it, for ten days at a time, then did a week of as sensible, balanced, but calorie limited eating as she could, then went back on ten days of the chocolate. She did go into ketosis. It wasn't that healthy a diet, but it was what she could do. Today she could do atkins using sugar free chocolate, but this was years ago before there was such a thing. Doesn't make logical sense, but it worked. I'd like to bomb the parasites and do the liver cleanses, then move back toward Atkins', Eades', or Faigan's programs, and see if it's easier to do with a healthier body to begin with. Makes sense to me. Even though I've been on the clark stuff for years, I redid the full parasite cleanse, kidney cleanse, and liver cleanse right before starting on Atkins, for the same reason. This diet can be hard on the kidneys especially - though drinking plenty of fluid - in my case, 14 glasses a day of it - groan - helps. Joy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT ... Fat burning and "The Master Cleanse"
I recall that the liver cleanse works better if you've done a parasite cleanse in advance. It doesn't just work better, she strongly suggests you not doing it prior to doing a parasite cleanse, as not only won't it work well, it also is likely to make you sick. however, you can make yourself a zapper for under twenty bucks, the instructions are on her site, just do a search for Dr. Hulda Clark. Not fancy, ut it works. I used a homemade one for several years, effectively, before purchasing one, and only then for the convenience factors. You can zap with this homemade zapper daily for a week, and then do the liver cleanse. Joy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT ... Fat burning and "The Master Cleanse"
"Drop weight quickly" is different than "drop *FAT* quickly." That's where you gotta be careful. Between fluid and muscle loss, you can drop a lot of "weight" really fast, but that's not going to make you healthier. As an Atkins dieter/fan, I have to tell you that following the atkins diet, both regular and the "fat" fast - eating cream cheese or other high fat foods, 5 times a day, under 1000 calories, both do put and keep you in ketosis. This is not water loss, muscle loss, JUST weight loss. This is fat loss. The perfect thing about Atkins is that it is ONLY the fat you lose, if you follow the diet as prescribed. The fat diet that was previously described is done for a max of 10 days, for those who have a very difficult time to get into ketosis. It works. Staying under 15 grams keeps you in ketosis, even the hardest cases. Most of us can do quite a bit more - start at 20 grams, go down if you have to, up if you're able. You measure on a ketostix, to be certain you are staying in ketosis. And as long as you are in ketosis, you do lose FAT, and only fat. When you run out of fat to lose your body uses hhe protein you are eating, converts it to glucose, which it can do, though it prefers the carbs, and turns next to your fat reserves, going to the protein you eat only as a last resort. And if you are doing the diet correctly, by the time you get to that point, you are slowly adding carbs, slowing down your weight loss, preparing for going into maintenace, where you still limit carbs, but only to the level where you don't gain weight. Many folks eat 60-80 grams on maintenace, though there are folks who can only eat 30 before gaining weight - people who have severe insulin resistance. At any rate, just trying to clarify the fat loss aspect. Joy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Effective Medicine
Have you tried Dr. Clark's methods? It works for my otherwise severe arthritis. Involves a number of cleanses, with herbs, and with bioelectrical equipment. I also take MSM, several tablespoons a day. That combination works for me. Joy Robb Allen wrote: Hi, As most of you know I have been fighting an arthritis condition for a while now. Heeding the advice of a few of you, a few months ago I started a diet that eliminated carbs and sugar. This helped me to some extent but I didn't really think that carbs were the root of the problem. I stayed on that diet for a month and found that my condition was about the same as it was before..maybe a little less pain, but not much different. In the back of my mind I still believed that my problems was caused by a pathogen. I remembered getting advice from several of you that I should perhaps try Grapefruit seed extract. I decided to give it a try so I purchased 4 ounces of 33%. Within 2 days of taking about 20 drops 5 times a day every single joint in my body was on fire like I have never seen before. This really came as quite a shock to me since even colloidal silver hadn't produced this kind of herx reaction even with very high doses. At the time that this occured, i was also taking CS...I stopped taking the CS so I could make sure that the GSE was indeed causing the reaction. The reaction persisted and seemed to get worse when I increased my dosages of GSE. This was a little over a month ago when I first starting have herx reactions by GSE use. I have since then run out of my 4 ounce bottle and replaced it with 32 ounces of 66% citricidal. The new stuff has the precise same effect on me as the first bottle. I guess my question is: Shouldn't I be having a decrease in the herx reactions by now?.does a reaction like this mean I am killing them?or could it be they are just "aggravated"? I am taking GSE to bowel tolerance and I really wish I could get more in my system but I'm not sure how to do it. I have decided to add oregano oil to my arsenal since the GSE is working so well. I should have it in a few days. One thing I can say is that the GSE is MUCH more effective on me than CS has been.Does anyone have any other advice for me?I think I'm making real progress but any words of wisdom would be appreciated. Can I expect the same type of reaction from the oregano oil?..thanks in advance for any help...Robb -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Raw garlic, was Re: CS>Bob Beck Interview
Thanks for the warning. You can add salt and that takes care of the problem, or if you prefer salt free you can use Dr. Clark's syncrometer to test for any mold or other problems, and if they exist, kill them with her frequency generator. In one of her new books she also talks about how to make an inexpensive "zappicator" to use for foods, but I haven't gotten that book yet - think its the latest one on AIDS. Sara Sara, I'm happy to meet another garlic lover. But I have come across many warnings on covering garlic with oil. Here's one: http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/english/iyh/food/garlic.html Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Raw garlic, was Re: CS>Bob Beck Interview
Well, I prepare the garlic by breaking 6 or 8 fresh whole garlic into cloves and peeling them. Then crush in a garlic press and let stand for several hours until it all turns yellow. This means the various compounds of sulphur are starting to form. (Also, I found I need to wear nitride gloves to avoid painful burns from the fresh garlic juice.) Me, too! After I crush the garlic I mix it into an olive oil paste, and use it like mayonaise to spread on sandwiches. Goes down a little easier that way. Also use in salads. And, actually, I love the taste of the stuff. actually just eat it plain. Strange I know, but it does me so much good, and I've really gotten to love the taste of it. Mixing it with a little olive oil makes it last longer, too, by the way, and I make massive bunches at once, like thirty or more of them. Fill up a jar with the stuff, and it'll last all month. Sara -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: Bob Beck interview
Interesting. How does the Beck protocal relate to the Dr. Clark protocal? They sound familiar. I have used the Clark protocal for parasite cleansing and organ function, and magnetic pulsing is a big part of that, also ozonated water (or olive oil) plus CS are suggested. What is blood electrification thought? Sara [Listowner disclaimer: CS, being one componant of the Beck protocols, I don't think a general discussion of them is out of order for the list. For extensive and detailed examination of the other parts -- blood electrification, magnetic pulsing, and ozonated water -- the OT list and other forums are available. Let's see how it goes...] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>**Bob Beck interview/DMSO comment/brain
Hi, I'm a newbie on this list. I eat about 8 whole garlic bulbs a week, and it is very antiinflammatory, its a cleansing/healing/antibacterial agent. As is also DMSO - though not approved for human consumption, I used it with my severe arthritis with great results for years prior to MSM becomming easily available - MSM is based on DMSO, has same effect. The worst thing about DMSO, like garlic, is the smell, which is intensified in DMSO. But its not a poison. Garlic is acidic, if you cut/chop the cloves with bare hands, spend more than about twenty minutes doing it, the acid can eat right through your skin. That may be why it was used on bullets. Painful, and would worsen/extend the damage done by the bullet. But taken orally with food, particularly with oil-based food or other vitamins, there is no danger whatsoever. Sara Debbie wrote: jrowl...@nctimes.net wrote: Jack writes: ...Google found 9...hits for the word SULFONHYDROXYL and all 9 refered to Beck in some direct way... Well, guess what---spelling sometime counts: "...The reason garlic is so toxic, the sulphone hydroxyl ion penetrates the blood-brain barrier, just like DMSO, and is a specific poison for higher-life forms and brain cells." www.karinya.com/garlic.htm What does DMSO do to the brain. I have a horse on IV DMSO and have had to breath it, I cover my nose and mouth with a towel now . Is anything antidotal? The vet said it is not a carrier per se, said that was disproven?? Deb -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour .
