Re: CS>Article on HV colloidal silver
I'm sorry, but I missed which unit it is you are comparing? I am interested in purchasing a CS generator, but LVDC doesn't seem to work for me. Thanks, Susan L In a message dated 10/21/1999 7:26:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thean...@hotmail.com writes: << Advantages .Uses less silver, highly effecient .Does not oxidize the silver, results in cleaner final porduct .Creates colloidal silver with a long shelf life .Has built in timer .Rugged construction, no moving parts except the fan Disadvantages >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Article on HV colloidal silver
I really just wanted to help the person wishing to know about the article, I do not know how much could legally be reposted since it is on a subscription list, I just do not want to break any copyright laws, I'm a chicken of high voltage myself. Deborah __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Article on HV colloidal silver
Hey That's deflation. Marsha got to you? Heh, heh. swong In a message dated 10/22/1999 12:59:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, apothec...@home.com writes: << Allisons Apothecary http://apothecary.hypermart.net Home of the $29.95 Colloidal Silver Generator That's Right, $29.95 :) >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Article on HV colloidal silver
My two cents worth (actually, Bruce K. Stenulson's two cents worth) pulled from... http://web.idirect.com/~showcase/althealth/makecs.htm In an AC powered operation as some others are promoting, where the polarity is constantly switched, other undesirable things may happen; it is known that in all electro-colloidal silver generating processes, some charge stripping of silver ions does occur as they come in contact with the cathode, resulting in their gaining electrons, and the resulting reduction to atomic silver particles (without the charge that is said to produce the pathogen disabling effect.) In a DC system, these reduced metallic particles remain as a grayish 'sludge' buildup on the surface of the cathode, and eventually are very visible at higher current levels. In a system where the polarity is switched constantly, this sludge is propelled and dispersed back into the water continuously, as evidenced by the 'clean electrodes' spoken of. Mechanical effects of redispersal of plated out silver "sludge" from the cathode will occur at higher concentrations and especially at higher currents, especially if AC is used, resulting in much coarser, uncharged metallic silver particles than may be desired floating about in your product. Filtering with good lab quality filter media may be able to remove some of this "non-ionic" silver; settling of most of the really larger particle "clumps" might also occur within 72 hours, I'd estimate, if the particles are not too fine. I guess the question is this; are the positively charged colloidal silver ions, (as produced in a DC process), what you want in your product, or do you want non-charged 'non-ionic' metallic silver particles, as produced in the AC processes? From what I have researched and what I understand at this time, I'd stay with Dr. Becker's recommendations myself, and try to produce the positively charged Colloidal Silver Ions with a DC process. [To summarize this for the technically inclined] please consider carefully that, just as positively charged silver ions are generated into the system at the anode, they are attracted to the negatively charged cathode. Many stay in the colloidal suspension, but as the concentration of silver ions build up, and the current flow through the system increases, more and more silver ions are drawn to, and come in contact with the cathode. When they do this, they are stripped of their positive charge, and 'plate out' on the surface of the cathode as a visible 'sludge', but do not bond to the surface structure - they accumulate as larger groups of loosely bonded, uncharged silver particles. If what I understand Dr. Becker and others to be saying is true, these uncharged silver particles, what I refer to as the 'silver sludge' formed at the cathode, should be removed if possible from your finished product. Using a DC power source, with no polarity reversal, is my strong recommendation (and that of many others) for predictably generating positively charged colloidal silver particles (biologically active silver ions) in your product, while controlling silver 'sludge' dispersal problems. [Note that this DC supply can be produced either from an AC source, rectified, regulated, and filtered, or from a battery supply.] Electroplaters have long known that a well rectified DC power source was required to generate and manipulate metallic ions in their processes to achieve the desired results. All of the above was taken from... http://web.idirect.com/~showcase/althealth/makecs.htm (please don't be mad Bruce) Yours in health, James Allison Allisons Apothecary http://apothecary.hypermart.net Home of the $29.95 Colloidal Silver Generator That's Right, $29.95 :) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Article on HV colloidal silver
> I have never played with HV for the generation of Cs > as I see no need to utilize HV when just a few volts will strip > ions of silver from the electrode. It is like using a canon to trim > your hedge! > f...@health2us > > Fred HV is the state of the art of silver making today. Perhaps you should "play with it" before you dismiss it. Just a suggestion. Ray -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Article on HV colloidal silver
Hi Deborah, Fred and others, Do not confuse careful examination of the message with an attack against the messenger. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Fred [SMTP:f...@health2us.com] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 11:59 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>Article on HV colloidal silver Importance: High Deborah, unfortunately, the messenger is often killed! Fred -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Article on HV colloidal silver
Hello, I have measured "D.I." water at 4.0+ PPM TDS. Santa Fe, Water King brand. I removed a DI cartridge from my still feedwater because it was putting stuff in the water. DI water not uncommonly still has bacteria in it; a possible pyrogen even if killed by the heat of generation or the Ag sol itself. It grows in the system. "Free silver ions" are not a colloid. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Fred [SMTP:f...@health2us.com] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 11:44 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Article on HV colloidal silver Importance: High Deborah, I have never played with HV for the generation of Cs as I see no need to utilize HV when just a few volts will strip ions of silver from the electrode. It is like using a canon to trim your hedge! Dangerous and gross overkill. As to their reference that "only steam distilled water must be used to prevent producing poisons", seems to imply to me that their alternate "water" was from a ditch! To produce poisons (in quantity to be considered dangerous) you must adulturate or salt your water, in order to acheive 100's of PPM of "bad" compounds! Silver is clearly safe, so the better your water the better your product. As previously stated, steam distilled water is often poor quality water, with upto 15PPM of contaminates, due to the entrainment of the residue water in the steam. Deionized water is never above 1PPM, being a much more controllable process and thus is a better medium to use, to get free silver ions rather then compounds. f...@health2us -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Article on HV colloidal silver
>>To repeat, the bottom line remains both HVAC and LVDC work well enough to be worth continued study. It's very helpful to review the points that have been brought up in this thread. Everyone needs to understand it to get past the inevitable marketing biases. Mike- Yes. Very good points. I didn't mean to somehow imply that I think DC is inferior. What I meant to say is that the CS PRO system FOR ME seems more deterministic. This is in part due to things that have NOTHING to due with AC vs DC. For instance, I really like the electrode assembly on the Phaser because it holds the electrodes firmly in plastic sockets. Now obviously, that feature could be incorporated in a DC unit and indeed this may already exist in a DC unit. Anyway, thanx for the clarification. I don't have anything to do with CS PRO and I've only talked to Bruce once. I just like the unit and thought others might be interested in my experience. cheers, Steve King P.S. I do agree that the marketing is out of control on the part of nearly all vendors. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Article on HV colloidal silver
Dearest listers! Steve wrote: > I actually feel that CS PRO prices are extremely reasonable if you > are looking for a turn-key solution. > > There's definitely a place for both manufactured and home-made > approaches and everything in between In the whole "debate" over HV vs LV, AC vs DC the bottom line has always been that they both work well enough to be worth continued study. Bruce Marx has done a marvelous job from everything I've seen. I'd happily pay 350 bucks for the unit Steve describes if I chose to buy such a system. He's done the necessary engineering and development to make it a reliable product and to characterize the CS it makes well enough for you to know reasonably well what you're getting. However, like nearly *every* vendor in the market, he claims his product is best (which indeed it may be), *and* that others are *bad*. Now, this is natural from a marketing standpoint, and I'm sure describes *some* of the competition very well, but it isn't the whole story. Even the crudest low voltage DC products, even those using salt as an accelerant, seem to have provided benefits to plenty of folks, and we've yet to see anyone injured by them. The present consensus LVDC recipe, with some manner of current limiting rather than constant voltage and using only distilled water, appears to generate CS that is effective and has a long shelf life. Given the color, it appears to be a larger average particle size than the HVAC product, but that doesn't seem to preclude folks reporting good results with it. And, again, we've still to hear from folks being hurt by it, either. If you look at some of Bob Berger's results, you'll see that it's possible to make a decent concentration of clear, and presumably small particle CS by a LVDC process, albeit with some extra bells and whistles required. But the CSPro units are microprocessor controlled, so who's going to complain about a little complexity, hm? To repeat, the bottom line remains both HVAC and LVDC work well enough to be worth continued study. It's very helpful to review the points that have been brought up in this thread. Everyone needs to understand it to get past the inevitable marketing biases. To each his own, and to all, better health! Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Article on HV colloidal silver
>They bought the high end "Ultra Professional Colloidal Silver System" >the Manufacturer claims high voltage process created smaller silver >particles than a LVDC unit.This has two important side effects: I own a Phaser Pro System from CS PRO Systems. The Phaser Pro costs around $350 and it is a mid-range generator, compared to the high-end CS PRO Ultra. Like the Ultra, the Phaser Pro produces a very stable CS with virtually no sludge or sediment. The capacity of this unit is not adequate for commercial use but its ideal for a plentiful home supply. The Phaser uses AC but not high voltage AC, to my knowledge. The unit has a very well-designed electrode assembly that accepts three short lengths of 12 gauge silver wire into stable sockets mounted in the batch tank lid. There are no problems with loose wires or electrode spacing, etc. The trodes are immersed several inches in the batch water and there are no issues with heating, arcs or evaporation. Three different PPM settings are provided and the controls are very easy to use. The documentation is good and CS PRO has developed a new water calibration procedure that uses a very small amount of pure baking soda and a supplied TDS meter. This allows the use of steam distilled water (or similar) with a TDS as low as 0 PPM. In general the CS PRO Phaser is painless to use and very efficient with time and silver (approx 20 min/batch). I generally set it up once a week and run it until I fill up a gallon plastic jug. The CS stays nearly clear with strong Tyndall for an apparently indefinite period. CS PRO Systems may seem expensive compared to batteries and alligator clips, but due to my past experiences purchasing custom and limited-production electronic devices in other industries (television production, music recording, etc.) I actually feel that CS PRO prices are extremely reasonable if you are looking for a turn-key solution. If, on the other hand, you enjoy hacking around with electrics, then by all means do it yourself. There's definitely a place for both manufactured and home-made approaches and everything in between (eg, well made, constant-current DC units for less than $100). I also own a DC CS unit and I'm not claiming that DC is always inferior to AC. The thing I like about CS PRO is that they have optimized their units for small particle size, high bio-availability and a very controlled generation process. This is something I had trouble achieving with low cost components. Steve King -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Article on HV colloidal silver
Thanks Fred, I had purchased my distilled water from Kroger and reading the info with my generator and I think I am ready. Deborah __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Deborah, unfortunately, the messenger is often killed! Fred -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Article on HV colloidal silver
Deborah, I have never played with HV for the generation of Cs as I see no need to utilize HV when just a few volts will strip ions of silver from the electrode. It is like using a canon to trim your hedge! Dangerous and gross overkill. As to their reference that "only steam distilled water must be used to prevent producing poisons", seems to imply to me that their alternate "water" was from a ditch! To produce poisons (in quantity to be considered dangerous) you must adulturate or salt your water, in order to acheive 100's of PPM of "bad" compounds! Silver is clearly safe, so the better your water the better your product. As previously stated, steam distilled water is often poor quality water, with upto 15PPM of contaminates, due to the entrainment of the residue water in the steam. Deionized water is never above 1PPM, being a much more controllable process and thus is a better medium to use, to get free silver ions rather then compounds. f...@health2us -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Article on HV colloidal silver
I am just the messenger, passing on some of the article for someone who did not have access. I would have listed it all except the All rights reserved thing, did not want to infringe on copyright. Deborah __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Article on HV colloidal silver
I took the article to make all references to the specific brand that they had purchased, I myself have a brand new unit purchased from Fred and just needed to understand the reference to steam distilled water. Deborah __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Article on HV colloidal silver
If you pinch the little spring hooks which support the arc bars [short length of about 16 gauge Ag wire with a loop in one end and the remainder gently twisted one around another] closed just enough to slip the wire loop over, there are fewer-to-no dropped arc bars. Not a big deal anyway, I get mine out with a bit of SS wire formed into a hook. It takes about 10 seconds. If you are minimally careful there is no need to jiggle them off anyway... Any system will be affected by salts from skin. Wash well before handling the electrodes in any system; or use rubber gloves. Poor documentation? Could you be more specific? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Deborah IN TEXAS [SMTP:thean...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 5:26 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>Article on HV colloidal silver Sorry, lost my connection before finishing about article: Design flaws drops wires into water when you open top and you must fish them out of your product. Salts off skin will raise conductivity of water and ruin whole batch. Another problem, the unit in the generation process tends to heat the water, causing evaporation, lowering the water level causing gap between silver and water to be more than advised and causing overheating and voiding warranty. They ended up dunking silver deep in water because the prescribed 3/16th gap to hard to get correct. Wrap up: Advantages .Uses less silver, highly effecient .Does not oxidize the silver, results in cleaner final porduct .Creates colloidal silver with a long shelf life .Has built in timer .Rugged construction, no moving parts except the fan Disadvantages .Very expensive (900.00 ) .10,000 volts can be dangerous if you are not careful .Poor documentation .More difficult to set up and operate than DC unit .Will not run off batteries. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Article on HV colloidal silver
I'm not Fred, but I agree with what you reported the article to say except for the difficulty of use. The instructions are lucid and error-free. If you can read and carefully follow simple directions it is a snap. I perceive the instructions as thorough and detailed, but not overly complicated. HV CS is a mighty complex physical state, and for an amateur to be able to make it at all is quite an achievement. The overheating will be caused by maladjustment of the height of one or two of the electrodes above the surface of the water. If this goes on long enough it will cook---as in destroy---the transformer. This is easy to avoid, by placing the "arc bars" very close to the surface of the water. The 'pull and push' adjustment of that height by tweaking a gold-plated spring(s) is a minor pain-in-the-ass, but other configurations which have been tried for making the adjustment easier have caused a change in quality of the silver. After you do it a few times, it gets easier to estimate the amount of force necessary to get the right dangle. Some steam distilled water may be too pure for the unit to make its optimum yield [concentration] of sol. The maker of the device recommends a TDS reading of about 0.8 PPM, or equivalent mS in the start water. The unit can be run off batteries if you use a quality inverter. This does bump up the overall cost, but will enable you to make very high quality sol when the grid is---for whatever reason---not. Makers claims re: particle size are backed up with TEM flicks. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Deborah IN TEXAS [SMTP:thean...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 5:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Article on HV colloidal silver Okay here it is in a nut shell, for full store send me snail mail addy and I'll mail it, can't post full story on list They bought the high end "Ultra Professional Colloidal Silver System" the Manufacturer claims high voltage process created smaller silver particles than a LVDC unit.This has two important side effects: 1.The smaller particles are more easily assimilated into the cells of the body. 2.The particles stay in suspension indefinitely rather than falling to the bottom on the container and making sludge. They found this to be true, unlike DC unit that generated quite a bit of sludge, HV unit created NO sludge, and noticed it used a lot less silver. They noticed it didn't Oxidize the silver like DC unit ( black crud on the silver) Area they did not like Complicated documentation First time use extremely difficult, slightest error in set up will cause unit to overheat WILL NOT RUN OFF BATTERIES, must have CLEAN AC power. They also stressed you must use steam distilled water for any CS production or you could generate poison. Fred is this correct? __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Article on HV colloidal silver
Sorry, lost my connection before finishing about article: Design flaws drops wires into water when you open top and you must fish them out of your product. Salts off skin will raise conductivity of water and ruin whole batch. Another problem, the unit in the generation process tends to heat the water, causing evaporation, lowering the water level causing gap between silver and water to be more than advised and causing overheating and voiding warranty. They ended up dunking silver deep in water because the prescribed 3/16th gap to hard to get correct. Wrap up: Advantages .Uses less silver, highly effecient .Does not oxidize the silver, results in cleaner final porduct .Creates colloidal silver with a long shelf life .Has built in timer .Rugged construction, no moving parts except the fan Disadvantages .Very expensive (900.00 ) .10,000 volts can be dangerous if you are not careful .Poor documentation .More difficult to set up and operate than DC unit .Will not run off batteries. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Article on HV colloidal silver
Okay here it is in a nut shell, for full store send me snail mail addy and I'll mail it, can't post full story on list They bought the high end "Ultra Professional Colloidal Silver System" the Manufacturer claims high voltage process created smaller silver particles than a LVDC unit.This has two important side effects: 1.The smaller particles are more easily assimilated into the cells of the body. 2.The particles stay in suspension indefinitely rather than falling to the bottom on the container and making sludge. They found this to be true, unlike DC unit that generated quite a bit of sludge, HV unit created NO sludge, and noticed it used a lot less silver. They noticed it didn't Oxidize the silver like DC unit ( black crud on the silver) Area they did not like Complicated documentation First time use extremely difficult, slightest error in set up will cause unit to overheat WILL NOT RUN OFF BATTERIES, must have CLEAN AC power. They also stressed you must use steam distilled water for any CS production or you could generate poison. Fred is this correct? __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Article on HV colloidal silver
Marshall, I don't have the article you referred to but I have an HVAC generator with an almost identical batch tank and electrode setup as the one pictured in the article. I can tell you that producing product with my setup is very easy, fast and non problematic. I pour a half gallon of distilled water into the batch tank place the cover/electrode setup on the tank connect two wires and turn the unit on. In a few minutes tyndall is evident! I let the unit run for an hour or two and I have colloidal silver. No stirring, no wiping electrodes, and no polarity switching necessary as the AC does it automatically. As far as quality of product, I don't know as I have not had it tested. Dennis Lipter Marshall Dudley wrote: > There is a new article on HVAC vs low voltage: > > High-Voltage Colloidal Silver > Trying to make your own > shelf-stable colloidal silver? The > DC silver generators don't have > the voltage to do the trick, but > the high-voltage AC units claim > to have solved it. Are they really > worth $900? And are they easier > or more difficult to use than the > low-end DC units? Click for > details... CS at http://www.y2knewswire.com/ . > > Unfortunately you have to be a member to read this article, and I am not a > member. If anyone here is a member could they grab the article and tell me > what it says. > > Thanks, > > Marshall > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Article on HV colloidal silver
There is a new article on HVAC vs low voltage: High-Voltage Colloidal Silver Trying to make your own shelf-stable colloidal silver? The DC silver generators don't have the voltage to do the trick, but the high-voltage AC units claim to have solved it. Are they really worth $900? And are they easier or more difficult to use than the low-end DC units? Click for details... CS at http://www.y2knewswire.com/ . Unfortunately you have to be a member to read this article, and I am not a member. If anyone here is a member could they grab the article and tell me what it says. Thanks, Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
