subject:"CS>New Law in Massachusetts"

Okay, so what is the answer for the American citizen who is embattled, lied 
to and cheated beyond belief?


Faith


- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Jester" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts



On 10/31/2007, Dianne France (dianne_fra...@hotmail.com) wrote:
I think driving is a privilege (You don't have to drive) so licensing is 
understandable.


You are wrong... the case law is well established. It has to do with 
private property Rights and the liberty of locomotion.


You have the Right to use the common conveyance of the day...


I guess they think health is a privilege also.


'They' think they own you - how else do you explain the fact that they tax 
your Right to Life? they are geniuses too... by implementing the 
'withholding' tax, they enabled their ability to tax you at a rate unheard 
of.


Did you know that SERFS were able to keep MUCH more of the product of 
their labor than you are today thanks to the income tax?



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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


On 10/31/2007, Dianne France (dianne_fra...@hotmail.com) wrote:
I think driving is a privilege (You don't have to drive) so licensing 
is understandable.   


You are wrong... the case law is well established. It has to do with 
private property Rights and the liberty of locomotion.


You have the Right to use the common conveyance of the day...

I guess they think health is a privilege also.  


'They' think they own you - how else do you explain the fact that they 
tax your Right to Life? they are geniuses too... by implementing the 
'withholding' tax, they enabled their ability to tax you at a rate 
unheard of.


Did you know that SERFS were able to keep MUCH more of the product of 
their labor than you are today thanks to the income tax?



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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

That is a good point Dianne, though most people do have to drive in today's 
society to survive and make a living.

Faith


  - Original Message - 
  From: Dianne France 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:34 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


  I think driving is a privilege (You don't have to drive) so licensing is 
understandable.

  I guess they think health is a privilege also.  

  Dianne
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From: faith gagne 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


Mitt Romney states that the new health law is modeled on the state's policy 
of requiring auto insurance.  How can one argue with that?  Is required 
auto 
insurance unconstitutional?

Faith


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From: "Simon Jester" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


> On 10/26/2007, faith gagne (jitte...@gis.net) wrote:
>> Massachusetts (Taxachusetts) has made a new law starting July 1, 2007 
>> stating that all residents age 18 and over must have health insurance or 
>> face stiff tax penalties. I don't have to worry about it because I 
>> already have insurance, but I am outraged.
>
> what is more outrageous is that no one has challenged this 'law' yet... 
> its UNConstitutional on its face. I'd have a lot of fun with that one.
>
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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-31 Thread Dianne France

I think driving is a privilege (You don't have to drive) so licensing is 
understandable.

I guess they think health is a privilege also.  

Dianne
  - Original Message - 
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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:35 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


  Mitt Romney states that the new health law is modeled on the state's policy 
  of requiring auto insurance.  How can one argue with that?  Is required auto 
  insurance unconstitutional?

  Faith


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mailto:tansta...@libertytrek.org>>
  To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>>
  Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:34 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


  > On 10/26/2007, faith gagne (jitte...@gis.net<mailto:jitte...@gis.net>) 
wrote:
  >> Massachusetts (Taxachusetts) has made a new law starting July 1, 2007 
  >> stating that all residents age 18 and over must have health insurance or 
  >> face stiff tax penalties. I don't have to worry about it because I 
  >> already have insurance, but I am outraged.
  >
  > what is more outrageous is that no one has challenged this 'law' yet... 
  > its UNConstitutional on its face. I'd have a lot of fun with that one.
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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

Thank you.

Faith

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From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

faith gagne wrote:
Mitt Romney states that the new health law is modeled on the state's 
policy of requiring auto insurance.  How can one argue with that?  Is 
required auto insurance unconstitutional?
No, they license you and the cars to drive on public roads. Thus they 
can control who and what is allowed on the roads quite legally. They 
cannot force you to license yourself or car, or require insurance if you 
only drive on private property, such as your farm.  They do not license 
you to live, and do not provide you with the air, water, or food free of 
charge to keep you alive, thus they should have NO requirement as to 
what you do with your life.

Marshall

Faith

- Original Message - From: "Simon Jester" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

On 10/26/2007, faith gagne (jitte...@gis.net) wrote:
Massachusetts (Taxachusetts) has made a new law starting July 1, 
2007 stating that all residents age 18 and over must have health 
insurance or face stiff tax penalties. I don't have to worry about 
it because I already have insurance, but I am outraged.

what is more outrageous is that no one has challenged this 'law' 
yet... its UNConstitutional on its face. I'd have a lot of fun with 
that one.

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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


Bamboo Chik, on 10/31/2007 2:18 PM, said the following:
Then fight the "reality" through a lawsuit! It's ridiculous what people 
will let this government get away with, whether on a state level or 
federal. blessings, deb/s.al


Lawsuits are kind of pointless when judges will 'protect the system' 
regardless of what the law says.


There is a term for what we are living under right now - it is called 
anarchy.



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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-31 Thread Bamboo Chik

Then fight the "reality" through a lawsuit! It's ridiculous what people will 
let this government get away with, whether on a state level or federal. 
blessings, deb/s.al
  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Jester 
  > They do not license you to live, and do not provide you with the air,
  > water, or food free of charge to keep you alive, thus they should
  > have NO requirement as to what you do with your life.

  Shouldn't, no, I agree... but the reality is another thing entirely.

Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


On 10/31/2007, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote:
No, they license you and the cars to drive on public roads. Thus they 
can control who and what is allowed on the roads quite legally.


Actually - requiring people to get licenses to use their private 
property on the public way is unconstitutional - significant older case 
law on this point.


ALL of the licensing laws only apply to COMMERCIAL use of the public way 
- but of course, they mis-apply these laws against private people 
anyway, and won't give up the iron-fisted control it provides them 
without a fight.



They cannot force you to license yourself or car, or require
insurance if you only drive on private property, such as your farm.


Same goes for the public way... as long as you are not engaging in commerce.

Look up the LEGAL definition of 'passenger' sometime...


They do not license you to live, and do not provide you with the air,
water, or food free of charge to keep you alive, thus they should
have NO requirement as to what you do with your life.


Shouldn't, no, I agree... but the reality is another thing entirely.


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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-31 Thread Marshall Dudley


faith gagne wrote:
Mitt Romney states that the new health law is modeled on the state's 
policy of requiring auto insurance.  How can one argue with that?  Is 
required auto insurance unconstitutional?
No, they license you and the cars to drive on public roads. Thus they 
can control who and what is allowed on the roads quite legally. They 
cannot force you to license yourself or car, or require insurance if you 
only drive on private property, such as your farm.  They do not license 
you to live, and do not provide you with the air, water, or food free of 
charge to keep you alive, thus they should have NO requirement as to 
what you do with your life.


Marshall


Faith


- Original Message - From: "Simon Jester" 


To: 
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts



On 10/26/2007, faith gagne (jitte...@gis.net) wrote:
Massachusetts (Taxachusetts) has made a new law starting July 1, 
2007 stating that all residents age 18 and over must have health 
insurance or face stiff tax penalties. I don't have to worry about 
it because I already have insurance, but I am outraged.


what is more outrageous is that no one has challenged this 'law' 
yet... its UNConstitutional on its face. I'd have a lot of fun with 
that one.



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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


On 10/31/2007, faith gagne (jitte...@gis.net) wrote:
Mitt Romney states that the new health law is modeled on the state's 
policy of requiring auto insurance.  How can one argue with that?  Is 
required auto insurance unconstitutional? 


Yep, free association and all - but since when did such a little thing 
ever stop a tyrant from implementing something he/she wants to implement?



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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

Mitt Romney states that the new health law is modeled on the state's policy 
of requiring auto insurance.  How can one argue with that?  Is required auto 
insurance unconstitutional?


Faith


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From: "Simon Jester" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts



On 10/26/2007, faith gagne (jitte...@gis.net) wrote:
Massachusetts (Taxachusetts) has made a new law starting July 1, 2007 
stating that all residents age 18 and over must have health insurance or 
face stiff tax penalties. I don't have to worry about it because I 
already have insurance, but I am outraged.


what is more outrageous is that no one has challenged this 'law' yet... 
its UNConstitutional on its face. I'd have a lot of fun with that one.



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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-30 Thread Ode Coyote


Gone OT

At 11:14 AM 10/29/2007 -0400, you wrote:


On 10/29/2007, Ode Coyote (odecoy...@alltel.net) wrote:
Show up at any "public"  hospital in America and you'll get 
treatment..minimal perhaps and sometimes a good thing, but they don't 
turn anyone away.


This is only true for EMERGENCY ROOM visits.

Normal hospital visits, Faith is correct, they won't treat you without 
money, unless it is some kind of charity type hospital...



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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-29 Thread Dee

But would they just let you bleed to death on the floor?  Surely not!  Dee 

---Original Message---

From: faith gagne
Date: 28/10/2007 22:15:33
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

No, the hospital will not go on treating you if you run out of money.  Not a
chance.  No one that I know of  will treat you if you do not have money or
insurance.

Faith

Re: Re[2]: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-29 Thread Dee

I agree with all that because this is what I do too.  I self treat all the
time and use nutrition as you do.  About ten years ago though, I had to have
gallstones out, so if we hadn't had the Health Service I don't know what I
would do because this sort of op costs thousands!  Dee 

---Original Message---

From: zoe w
Date: 28/10/2007 22:03:32
To: Dee
Subject: Re[2]: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

It is not likely that I would ever need that kind of care  barring a nasty 
accident  or something  undisease related,  in which case
there are other disaster relief funds available   along with disability  
etc.

I took charge of my own health care many years ago,  first with herbs, then 
gradually adding things like  minerals,  CS, Raw Milk, Kefir Kombucha

Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-29 Thread faith gagne

Ooh mi gawd!   Do you actually mean the American Civil Liberties Union, that 
subversive group of American haters?


No thanks.  I'll pass.

Faith



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To: 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts



It might be worth contacting the civil liberties union.

Marshall

Simon Jester wrote:

On 10/26/2007 faith gagne wrote:

And how would you have fun with it Simon?


Lawsuit? Telling them to shove it up their back-side?


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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-29 Thread Simon Jester


On 10/29/2007, Ode Coyote (odecoy...@alltel.net) wrote:
Show up at any "public"  hospital in America and you'll get 
treatment..minimal perhaps and sometimes a good thing, but they don't 
turn anyone away.


This is only true for EMERGENCY ROOM visits.

Normal hospital visits, Faith is correct, they won't treat you without 
money, unless it is some kind of charity type hospital...



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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-29 Thread faith gagne

Thanks Ode.  I have not been in that position yet and had not really 
investigated it.  Actually I should have refrained from answering anything 
at all.


Faith



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From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts





  Show up at any "public"  hospital in America and you'll get 
treatment..minimal perhaps and sometimes a good thing, but they don't turn 
anyone away.

This is a big part of the illegal immigrant issue.
An independent treatment center , essentially a full service doctors 
office, might not treat you if you have no means of support, but generally 
will negotiate a payment plan if you have a job.


They might give you a ride to an emergency room though...just to keep you 
from bleeding on their carpet.
Even they aren't likely to kick you out into the street with a busted leg 
or in the middle of a heart attack.

 They'll at least call an ambulance.  EMS doesn't turn people away either.

Ode


At 06:14 PM 10/28/2007 -0400, you wrote:

No, the hospital will not go on treating you if you run out of money.  Not 
a chance.  No one that I know of  will treat you if you do not have money 
or insurance.


Faith


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From: <mailto:d...@deetroy.org>Dee
To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 5:17 AM
Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

I am interested in all this as an outsider.  What would you do if you had 
to have long term health care though?  Would the hospital go on treating 
you if you ran out of money for instance?  Here in the UK we have access 
to health care all the time as we have a National Health service which we 
all pay into automatically.  You can pay for private health care though, 
if you wish.  Doesn't get you a better doctor; just gets you seen to 
quicker.  Just wondering.  Dee


---Original Message---

From: <mailto:ilovegra...@yahoo.co.uk>zoe w
Date: 10/28/07 03:37:38
To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>faith gagne
Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


I find this alarming  as I am one who opted to drop my insurance over a 
year ago.   I haven't used it in many years  and just because I had 
another birthday  they wanted to raise my rates to well over 600/mo  
( My total monthly income after taxes is only a little over $1000.00 how 
can I possibly afford this insurance?)  I find this totally unacceptable 
and chose to opt out  since I don't use it anyways.   Now if this becomes 
the trend its just one


more freedom denied the american public.



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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-29 Thread Marshall Dudley


It might be worth contacting the civil liberties union.

Marshall

Simon Jester wrote:

On 10/26/2007 faith gagne wrote:
And how would you have fun with it Simon? 


Lawsuit? Telling them to shove it up their back-side?


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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-29 Thread Marshall Dudley


Dianne France wrote:

Faith
You've got people that absolutely can't afford it so what are they 
going to be put in jail?  That would be a debtors prison, against 
everything this country was founded on.  It's amazing that we elect 
people that have no connection to real life.  Politicians that have 
never worked a real job can't possibly understand what the every day 
man/woman has to deal with on a daily basis.
They will probably give the health insurance to those who are on 
welfare, and increase the taxes on the middle class to pay for it,  
making it so the middle class who are paying the bills, unable affort 
it, then throw the middle class in jail.


Marshall
 
They have tried and tried to get control of the people for years.  
First trying to take away our rights to defend ourselves and now what 
they consider health care.  If you are sick enough and they control 
your meds then who controls you? 
 
Dianne


- Original Message -
*From:* faith gagne <mailto:jitte...@gis.net>
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2007 6:20 PM
    *Subject:* Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

Dianne:  Why do you doubt they cannot enforce this new health
insurance law?  I believe that many will get socked with stiff tax
penalties.
 
Spraying people with poisons is absolutely atrocious.  what on

earth are they thinking and why are they doing it?
 
Faith
 
 


- Original Message -
*From:* Dianne France <mailto:dianne_fra...@hotmail.com>
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2007 6:00 PM
    *Subject:* Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

Faith
 
Not only are they passing ridiculous laws I doubt they can

enforce in Massachusetts, in California they are spraying
people with poisons.  _Snip of article_:  On September 9^th ,
2007 several planes hired by the State of California Food and
Agricultural Department (CDFA) flying at an altitude of
approximately 500ft sprayed the untested biochemical,
CheckMate®OLR-F, on over 30,000 citizens in Monterey and other
surrounding cities in California.  Many got sick from this.
 
Dianne


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*From:* faith gagne <mailto:jitte...@gis.net>
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2007 5:28 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

Yes it is.  The Legislature drew up the law and the
Governor, Deval Patrick, signed it into law.
 
Faith
 
 


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*From:* bbanever <mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net>
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
        *Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2007 4:42 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

This is nonsense.  There will be tens of THOUSANDS who
cannot afford it.  Health insurance costs between $200
and $1200 a MONTH for crying out loud.  This is
ridiculous on its face.

- Original Message -
*From:* faith gagne <mailto:jitte...@gis.net>
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
                *Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2007 11:15 AM
*Subject:* CS>New Law in Massachusetts

Massachusetts (Taxachusetts) has made a new law
starting July 1, 2007 stating that all residents
age 18 and over must have health insurance or face
stiff tax penalties.   I don't have to worry about
it because I already have insurance, but  I am
outraged.
 
This law preys upon the citizens to benefit the

insurance industry.  I think this is
unconstitutional, oppressive, and deplorable.  It
is archaic, for crying out loud.
 
I called a senator's office this morning and I was

told that the whole country is going this way.   I
don't believe that B.S. for one minute.  This is
not progressive leadership, it is regressive. 
This is hard-line taxation burdening the people. 
 
I am just ripping, but I don't know what to do

about it.  Any suggestions folks?

Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-29 Thread Ode Coyote




  Show up at any "public"  hospital in America and you'll get 
treatment..minimal perhaps and sometimes a good thing, but they don't turn 
anyone away.

This is a big part of the illegal immigrant issue.
An independent treatment center , essentially a full service doctors 
office, might not treat you if you have no means of support, but generally 
will negotiate a payment plan if you have a job.


They might give you a ride to an emergency room though...just to keep you 
from bleeding on their carpet.
Even they aren't likely to kick you out into the street with a busted leg 
or in the middle of a heart attack.

 They'll at least call an ambulance.  EMS doesn't turn people away either.

Ode


At 06:14 PM 10/28/2007 -0400, you wrote:

No, the hospital will not go on treating you if you run out of money.  Not 
a chance.  No one that I know of  will treat you if you do not have money 
or insurance.


Faith


- Original Message -
From: <mailto:d...@deetroy.org>Dee
To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 5:17 AM
Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

I am interested in all this as an outsider.  What would you do if you had 
to have long term health care though?  Would the hospital go on treating 
you if you ran out of money for instance?  Here in the UK we have access 
to health care all the time as we have a National Health service which we 
all pay into automatically.  You can pay for private health care though, 
if you wish.  Doesn't get you a better doctor; just gets you seen to 
quicker.  Just wondering.  Dee


---Original Message---

From: <mailto:ilovegra...@yahoo.co.uk>zoe w
Date: 10/28/07 03:37:38
To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>faith gagne
Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


I find this alarming  as I am one who opted to drop my insurance over a 
year ago.   I haven't used it in many years  and just because I had 
another birthday  they wanted to raise my rates to well over 600/mo 
  ( My total monthly income after taxes is only a little over $1000.00 
how can I possibly afford this insurance?)  I find this totally 
unacceptable  and chose to opt out  since I don't use it anyways.   Now if 
this becomes the trend its just one


more freedom denied the american public.



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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-28 Thread faith gagne

No, the hospital will not go on treating you if you run out of money.  Not a 
chance.  No one that I know of  will treat you if you do not have money or 
insurance.

Faith

  - Original Message - 
  From: Dee 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 5:17 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

I am interested in all this as an outsider.  What would you do if you 
had to have long term health care though?  Would the hospital go on treating 
you if you ran out of money for instance?  Here in the UK we have access to 
health care all the time as we have a National Health service which we all pay 
into automatically.  You can pay for private health care though, if you wish.  
Doesn't get you a better doctor; just gets you seen to quicker.  Just 
wondering.  Dee 

---Original Message---

From: zoe w
Date: 10/28/07 03:37:38
To: faith gagne
Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

I find this alarming  as I am one who opted to drop my insurance over a 
year ago.   I haven't used it in many years  and just because I had another 
birthday  they wanted to raise my rates to well over 600/mo   ( My total 
monthly income after taxes is only a little over $1000.00 how can I possibly 
afford this insurance?)  I find this totally unacceptable  and chose to opt out 
 since I don't use it anyways.   Now if this becomes the trend its just one

more freedom denied the american public.

Re[2]: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-28 Thread zoe w

It is not likely that I would ever need that kind of care barring a nasty accident or something undisease related, in which case
there are other disaster relief funds available along with disability etc.

I took charge of my own health care many years ago, first with herbs, then gradually adding things like minerals, CS, Raw Milk, Kefir Kombucha
and of course nutrition. In otherwords its a whole new lifestyle that has kept me very healthy barring a couple incidents when
I detoxed too fast. Occasionally I will get the beginnings of a cold or flu but thats where it ends. Just enough to build up antibodies but not enuf
to get sick. My methods are a lot of work - yes - but not a lot of money and they work. How far are you willing to go in the name of good Health?

Years ago before our health care system got to be in the colossal mess its in today, I used to use conventional medicine. It never really worked for me,
generally causing far more serious problems and regularly causing hospital stays to counteract the effects of their own treatments. In every case I wound
up using alternatives to get well and finally one day woke up and said "NO MORE" Maybe I wont' always have the answers or the right treatments, but I can't
do any worse than what conventional medicine did for me. I'll take my chances. I am at least willing to listen to the new research and change my methods according to the new information as long as it seems to work. Find me a Doc who will do that.
zoe

I am interested in all this as an outsider. What would you do if you had to have long term health care though? Would the hospital go on treating you if you ran out of money for instance? Here in the UK we have access to health care all the time as we have a National Health service which we all pay into automatically. You can pay for private health care though, if you wish. Doesn't get you a better doctor; just gets you seen to quicker. Just wondering. Dee
---Original Message---
From: zoe w
Date: 10/28/07 03:37:38
To: faith gagne
Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts
I find this alarming as I am one who opted to drop my insurance over a year ago. I haven't used it in many years and just because I had another birthday they wanted to raise my rates to well over 600/mo ( My total monthly income after taxes is only a little over $1000.00 how can I possibly afford this insurance?) I find this totally unacceptable and chose to opt out since I don't use it anyways. Now if this becomes the trend its just one
more freedom denied the american public.

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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-28 Thread Ode Coyote



  It's not a medical problem, it's a financial problem produced when no 
hospital can refuse service and passes the cost out to those with insurance.

Ode


At 02:01 PM 10/27/2007 +, you wrote:

Faith...   after reading all posts I have a question.  If one does not 
have insurance how does the IRS get involved?  And if insurance is 
mandatory for all residents 18 years of age and older what is happening 
with the babies to 17 years of age.  (One would think that this would be 
the age that you would really want to have insurance).  How does this 
address the homeless, unemployed.  I feel that Mass is not addressing the 
real problem just putting on a over used bandage on a medical 
problem.  And I'm not even sure this is about people's health at 
all.  When can you re-elect or have that individual removed from 
office.  Not quick enough in my book.




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but if this was Co doing this I would definitely resume that practice.



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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-28 Thread Dee

I am interested in all this as an outsider.  What would you do if you had to
have long term health care though?  Would the hospital go on treating you if
you ran out of money for instance?  Here in the UK we have access to health
care all the time as we have a National Health service which we all pay into
automatically.  You can pay for private health care though, if you wish. 
Doesn't get you a better doctor; just gets you seen to quicker.  Just
wondering.  Dee 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: zoe w
Date: 10/28/07 03:37:38
To: faith gagne
Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts
 
I find this alarming  as I am one who opted to drop my insurance over a year
ago.   I haven't used it in many years  and just because I had another
birthday  they wanted to raise my rates to well over 600/mo   ( My total
monthly income after taxes is only a little over $1000.00 how can I possibly
afford this insurance?)  I find this totally unacceptable  and chose to opt
out  since I don't use it anyways.   Now if this becomes the trend its just
one
more freedom denied the american public.

Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-27 Thread zoe w

I find this alarming  as I am one who opted to drop my insurance over a year 
ago.   I haven't used it in many years  and just because I had another birthday 
 they wanted to raise my rates to well over 600/mo   ( My total monthly 
income after taxes is only a little over $1000.00 how can I possibly afford 
this insurance?)  I find this totally unacceptable  and chose to opt out  since 
I don't use it anyways.   Now if this becomes the trend its just one
more freedom denied the american public.  Take a look folks,  we don't have a 
whole lot of our precious freedoms left,  and those are disappearing quite 
rapidly,  our government has become the enemy-   how or why did we let this 
happen?
zoe

> Massachusetts (Taxachusetts) has made a new law starting July 1,
> 2007 stating that all residents age 18 and over must have health
> insurance or face stiff tax penalties.   I don't have to worry about
> it because I already have insurance, but  I am outraged.

> This law preys upon the citizens to benefit the insurance industry.
> I think this is unconstitutional, oppressive, and deplorable.  It is archaic, 
> for crying out loud.

> I called a senator's office this morning and I was told that the
> whole country is going this way.   I don't believe that B.S. for one
> minute.  This is not progressive leadership, it is regressive.  This
> is hard-line taxation burdening the people.  

> I am just ripping, but I don't know what to do about it.  Any suggestions 
> folks?

> Faith

Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-27 Thread faith gagne

Morning Wayne.  Your message is very helpful.

Faith

  - Original Message - 
  From: Wayne Fugitt 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 11:56 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

  Morning Faith,

  >> At 10:35 AM 10/27/2007, you wrote:

I agree entirely with your mesage.  I am just geting started on this 
problem.  I am now looking for people who will stand up and have something to 
say about it. 

My idea is that  MA is a worthless and bogus state.

It has been infected and contaminated for many year with an
  incurable disease  called  "Kennedy's"

I have been there and spent a few weeks at different times over the years.
  Most people were OK, .. not including their leaders.

  Actually, I would not waste any time with that state, and leave it as soon as 
I  could.

  I would expect them to do something like the insurance law.

  The NWO has got to most all leaders.

  Wayne

  ==

Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-27 Thread Wayne Fugitt


Morning Faith,

>> At 10:35 AM 10/27/2007, you wrote:

I agree entirely with your mesage.  I am just geting started on this 
problem.  I am now looking for people who will stand up and have something 
to say about it.


  My idea is that  MA is a worthless and bogus state.

  It has been infected and contaminated for many year with an
incurable disease  called  "Kennedy's"

  I have been there and spent a few weeks at different times over the years.
Most people were OK, .. not including their leaders.

Actually, I would not waste any time with that state, and leave it as soon 
as I  could.


I would expect them to do something like the insurance law.

The NWO has got to most all leaders.

Wayne

==

Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-27 Thread faith gagne

I agree entirely with your mesage.  I am just geting started on this problem.  
I am now looking for people who will stand up and have something to say about 
it. 

As for the homeless and unemployed etc., there is supposed to be some kind of 
waiver,  but truthfully I do not yet know enough about this new law ..  Waiver 
or no waiver, I still do not like it .I do not understand the waiver 
because people feel that they want and need health insurance but they cannot 
afford it.   People buy health insurance if they can afford it so what is the 
point of this waiver?

Faith


  - Original Message - 
  From: craehow...@juno.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 10:01 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


  Faith...   after reading all posts I have a question.  If one does not have 
insurance how does the IRS get involved?  And if insurance is mandatory for all 
residents 18 years of age and older what is happening with the babies to 17 
years of age.  (One would think that this would be the age that you would 
really want to have insurance).  How does this address the homeless, 
unemployed.  I feel that Mass is not addressing the real problem just putting 
on a over used bandage on a medical problem.  And I'm not even sure this is 
about people's health at all.  When can you re-elect or have that individual 
removed from office.  Not quick enough in my book.



  connie  "a Colorado springs, co resident"  I gave up soap boxes years ago but 
if this was Co doing this I would definitely resume that practice.



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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-27 Thread craehow...@juno.com

Faith...   after reading all posts I have a question.  If one does not have 
insurance how does the IRS get involved?  And if insurance is mandatory for all 
residents 18 years of age and older what is happening with the babies to 17 
years of age.  (One would think that this would be the age that you would 
really want to have insurance).  How does this address the homeless, 
unemployed.  I feel that Mass is not addressing the real problem just putting 
on a over used bandage on a medical problem.  And I'm not even sure this is 
about people's health at all.  When can you re-elect or have that individual 
removed from office.  Not quick enough in my book.
 
connie  "a Colorado springs, co resident"  I gave up soap boxes years ago but 
if this was Co doing this I would definitely resume that practice.

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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-27 Thread faith gagne

Good one.  It may come to that.
Faith

- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Jester" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

On 10/26/2007 faith gagne wrote:
And how would you have fun with it Simon? 

Lawsuit? Telling them to shove it up their back-side?

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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


On 10/26/2007 faith gagne wrote:
And how would you have fun with it Simon? 


Lawsuit? Telling them to shove it up their back-side?


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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-26 Thread Dianne France

Faith
You've got people that absolutely can't afford it so what are they going to be 
put in jail?  That would be a debtors prison, against everything this country 
was founded on.  It's amazing that we elect people that have no connection to 
real life.  Politicians that have never worked a real job can't possibly 
understand what the every day man/woman has to deal with on a daily basis.  

They have tried and tried to get control of the people for years.  First trying 
to take away our rights to defend ourselves and now what they consider health 
care.  If you are sick enough and they control your meds then who controls you? 
 

Dianne
  - Original Message - 
  From: faith gagne<mailto:jitte...@gis.net> 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> 
  Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 6:20 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


  Dianne:  Why do you doubt they cannot enforce this new health insurance law?  
I believe that many will get socked with stiff tax penalties.

  Spraying people with poisons is absolutely atrocious.  what on earth are they 
thinking and why are they doing it?

  Faith


- Original Message - 
From: Dianne France<mailto:dianne_fra...@hotmail.com> 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> 
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


Faith

Not only are they passing ridiculous laws I doubt they can enforce in 
Massachusetts, in California they are spraying people with poisons.  Snip of 
article:  On September 9th, 2007 several planes hired by the State of 
California Food and Agricultural Department (CDFA) flying at an altitude of 
approximately 500ft sprayed the untested biochemical, CheckMate®OLR-F, on over 
30,000 citizens in Monterey and other surrounding cities in California.  Many 
got sick from this.

Dianne
  - Original Message - 
  From: faith gagne<mailto:jitte...@gis.net> 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> 
      Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:28 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


  Yes it is.  The Legislature drew up the law and the Governor, Deval 
Patrick, signed it into law.

  Faith


- Original Message - 
From: bbanever<mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net> 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> 
        Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


This is nonsense.  There will be tens of THOUSANDS who cannot afford 
it.  Health insurance costs between $200 and $1200 a MONTH for crying out loud. 
 This is ridiculous on its face.
  - Original Message - 
  From: faith gagne<mailto:jitte...@gis.net> 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> 
  Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 11:15 AM
  Subject: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


  Massachusetts (Taxachusetts) has made a new law starting July 1, 2007 
stating that all residents age 18 and over must have health insurance or face 
stiff tax penalties.   I don't have to worry about it because I already have 
insurance, but  I am outraged.

  This law preys upon the citizens to benefit the insurance industry.  
I think this is unconstitutional, oppressive, and deplorable.  It is archaic, 
for crying out loud.

  I called a senator's office this morning and I was told that the 
whole country is going this way.   I don't believe that B.S. for one minute.  
This is not progressive leadership, it is regressive.  This is hard-line 
taxation burdening the people.  

  I am just ripping, but I don't know what to do about it.  Any 
suggestions folks?

  Faith

Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

And how would you have fun with it Simon?

Faith

- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Jester" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

On 10/26/2007, faith gagne (jitte...@gis.net) wrote:
Massachusetts (Taxachusetts) has made a new law starting July 1, 2007 
stating that all residents age 18 and over must have health insurance 
or face stiff tax penalties. I don't have to worry about it because 
I already have insurance, but I am outraged.

what is more outrageous is that no one has challenged this 'law' yet... 
its UNConstitutional on its face. I'd have a lot of fun with that one.

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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

Dianne:  Why do you doubt they cannot enforce this new health insurance law?  I 
believe that many will get socked with stiff tax penalties.

Spraying people with poisons is absolutely atrocious.  what on earth are they 
thinking and why are they doing it?

Faith


  - Original Message - 
  From: Dianne France 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 6:00 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


  Faith

  Not only are they passing ridiculous laws I doubt they can enforce in 
Massachusetts, in California they are spraying people with poisons.  Snip of 
article:  On September 9th, 2007 several planes hired by the State of 
California Food and Agricultural Department (CDFA) flying at an altitude of 
approximately 500ft sprayed the untested biochemical, CheckMate®OLR-F, on over 
30,000 citizens in Monterey and other surrounding cities in California.  Many 
got sick from this.

  Dianne
- Original Message - 
From: faith gagne 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


Yes it is.  The Legislature drew up the law and the Governor, Deval 
Patrick, signed it into law.

Faith


  - Original Message - 
  From: bbanever 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 4:42 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


  This is nonsense.  There will be tens of THOUSANDS who cannot afford it.  
Health insurance costs between $200 and $1200 a MONTH for crying out loud.  
This is ridiculous on its face.
- Original Message - 
From: faith gagne 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


Massachusetts (Taxachusetts) has made a new law starting July 1, 2007 
stating that all residents age 18 and over must have health insurance or face 
stiff tax penalties.   I don't have to worry about it because I already have 
insurance, but  I am outraged.

This law preys upon the citizens to benefit the insurance industry.  I 
think this is unconstitutional, oppressive, and deplorable.  It is archaic, for 
crying out loud.

I called a senator's office this morning and I was told that the whole 
country is going this way.   I don't believe that B.S. for one minute.  This is 
not progressive leadership, it is regressive.  This is hard-line taxation 
burdening the people.  

I am just ripping, but I don't know what to do about it.  Any 
suggestions folks?

Faith

Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


On 10/26/2007, faith gagne (jitte...@gis.net) wrote:
Massachusetts (Taxachusetts) has made a new law starting July 1, 2007 
stating that all residents age 18 and over must have health insurance 
or face stiff tax penalties. I don't have to worry about it because 
I already have insurance, but I am outraged.


what is more outrageous is that no one has challenged this 'law' yet... 
its UNConstitutional on its face. I'd have a lot of fun with that one.



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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-26 Thread Smitty

>in California they are spraying people with poisons.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/pol/459978576.html


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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-26 Thread Dianne France

Faith

Not only are they passing ridiculous laws I doubt they can enforce in 
Massachusetts, in California they are spraying people with poisons.  Snip of 
article:  On September 9th, 2007 several planes hired by the State of 
California Food and Agricultural Department (CDFA) flying at an altitude of 
approximately 500ft sprayed the untested biochemical, CheckMate®OLR-F, on over 
30,000 citizens in Monterey and other surrounding cities in California.  Many 
got sick from this.

Dianne
  - Original Message - 
  From: faith gagne<mailto:jitte...@gis.net> 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> 
  Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:28 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


  Yes it is.  The Legislature drew up the law and the Governor, Deval Patrick, 
signed it into law.

  Faith


- Original Message - 
From: bbanever<mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net> 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> 
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 4:42 PM
    Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


This is nonsense.  There will be tens of THOUSANDS who cannot afford it.  
Health insurance costs between $200 and $1200 a MONTH for crying out loud.  
This is ridiculous on its face.
  - Original Message - 
  From: faith gagne<mailto:jitte...@gis.net> 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> 
  Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 11:15 AM
  Subject: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


  Massachusetts (Taxachusetts) has made a new law starting July 1, 2007 
stating that all residents age 18 and over must have health insurance or face 
stiff tax penalties.   I don't have to worry about it because I already have 
insurance, but  I am outraged.

  This law preys upon the citizens to benefit the insurance industry.  I 
think this is unconstitutional, oppressive, and deplorable.  It is archaic, for 
crying out loud.

  I called a senator's office this morning and I was told that the whole 
country is going this way.   I don't believe that B.S. for one minute.  This is 
not progressive leadership, it is regressive.  This is hard-line taxation 
burdening the people.  

  I am just ripping, but I don't know what to do about it.  Any suggestions 
folks?

  Faith

Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

Yes it is.  The Legislature drew up the law and the Governor, Deval Patrick, 
signed it into law.

Faith

  - Original Message - 
  From: bbanever 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 4:42 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

  This is nonsense.  There will be tens of THOUSANDS who cannot afford it.  
Health insurance costs between $200 and $1200 a MONTH for crying out loud.  
This is ridiculous on its face.
- Original Message - 
From: faith gagne 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

Massachusetts (Taxachusetts) has made a new law starting July 1, 2007 
stating that all residents age 18 and over must have health insurance or face 
stiff tax penalties.   I don't have to worry about it because I already have 
insurance, but  I am outraged.

This law preys upon the citizens to benefit the insurance industry.  I 
think this is unconstitutional, oppressive, and deplorable.  It is archaic, for 
crying out loud.

I called a senator's office this morning and I was told that the whole 
country is going this way.   I don't believe that B.S. for one minute.  This is 
not progressive leadership, it is regressive.  This is hard-line taxation 
burdening the people.  

I am just ripping, but I don't know what to do about it.  Any suggestions 
folks?

Faith

Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-26 Thread bbanever

This is nonsense.  There will be tens of THOUSANDS who cannot afford it.  
Health insurance costs between $200 and $1200 a MONTH for crying out loud.  
This is ridiculous on its face.
  - Original Message - 
  From: faith gagne 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 11:15 AM
  Subject: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

  Massachusetts (Taxachusetts) has made a new law starting July 1, 2007 stating 
that all residents age 18 and over must have health insurance or face stiff tax 
penalties.   I don't have to worry about it because I already have insurance, 
but  I am outraged.

  This law preys upon the citizens to benefit the insurance industry.  I think 
this is unconstitutional, oppressive, and deplorable.  It is archaic, for 
crying out loud.

  I called a senator's office this morning and I was told that the whole 
country is going this way.   I don't believe that B.S. for one minute.  This is 
not progressive leadership, it is regressive.  This is hard-line taxation 
burdening the people.  

  I am just ripping, but I don't know what to do about it.  Any suggestions 
folks?

  Faith

Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


Thak you Simon.

It is not me because I have insurance, but it is my family and lots of 
people I know who will be hurt by this.


thank you.

Faith


- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Jester" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts



On 10/26/2007, faith gagne (jitte...@gis.net) wrote:

This law took effect July 1, 2007!  I am livid.


An Unconstitutional law is no law at all.

Ignore it. Tell them to shove it if anyone mentions it to you. Find an 
attorney and file a RICO against them if they should try to enforce it 
against you.


I almost wish I was there so I could do it myself. I hope the Feds try to 
do this nationwide...



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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


On 10/26/2007, faith gagne (jitte...@gis.net) wrote:
This law took effect July 1, 2007!  I am livid. 


An Unconstitutional law is no law at all.

Ignore it. Tell them to shove it if anyone mentions it to you. Find an 
attorney and file a RICO against them if they should try to enforce it 
against you.


I almost wish I was there so I could do it myself. I hope the Feds try 
to do this nationwide...



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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

2007-10-26 Thread Marlene Hanson

Hi Faith, I agree with you I am also disturbed by this news.  I have to pay for 
insurance through Medical deductions on my Social Security.  I don't use any 
Pharma products from the Drug stores.  I only see alternative doctors and that 
is very seldom.  I Have used LDN from overseas  to treat my Multiple Sclerosis 
and think if the US would educate people to care for themselves we would be out 
of debt and a healthier society.  Stay aware and thank you for posting this 
information. Marlene
  - Original Message - 
  From: faith gagne<mailto:jitte...@gis.net> 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> 
  Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 11:15 AM
  Subject: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

  Massachusetts (Taxachusetts) has made a new law starting July 1, 2007 stating 
that all residents age 18 and over must have health insurance or face stiff tax 
penalties.   I don't have to worry about it because I already have insurance, 
but  I am outraged.

  This law preys upon the citizens to benefit the insurance industry.  I think 
this is unconstitutional, oppressive, and deplorable.  It is archaic, for 
crying out loud.

  I called a senator's office this morning and I was told that the whole 
country is going this way.   I don't believe that B.S. for one minute.  This is 
not progressive leadership, it is regressive.  This is hard-line taxation 
burdening the people.  

  I am just ripping, but I don't know what to do about it.  Any suggestions 
folks?

  Faith

Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

This law took effect July 1, 2007!  I am livid.

Faith

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From: "Simon Jester" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts

On 10/26/2007, faith gagne (jitte...@gis.net) wrote:
This law preys upon the citizens to benefit the insurance industry.  
I think this is unconstitutional, oppressive, and deplorable.  It is 
archaic, for crying out loud.

A nations people will get precisely that level of tyranny they will 
tolerate.

Tell them to shove this 'law' up their asses, and then shop around for 
an attorney - most likely will get a list to choose from who will do it 
gratis - should these petty-tyrant-wanna-bes actually try to enforce it 
on you.

Man this kind of garbage really ticks me off.

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Re: CS>New Law in Massachusetts


On 10/26/2007, faith gagne (jitte...@gis.net) wrote:
This law preys upon the citizens to benefit the insurance industry.  
I think this is unconstitutional, oppressive, and deplorable.  It is 
archaic, for crying out loud.


A nations people will get precisely that level of tyranny they will 
tolerate.


Tell them to shove this 'law' up their asses, and then shop around for 
an attorney - most likely will get a list to choose from who will do it 
gratis - should these petty-tyrant-wanna-bes actually try to enforce it 
on you.


Man this kind of garbage really ticks me off.


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