Re: CSMultimeter usefulness
Microsiemens of conductivity includes a volumetric element that goes beyond ohms. Ohms may be useful, but the multimeter is putting it's own electricity into the electrodes and generating EIS as you measure. No telling what that does to the measurement in different concentrations of EIS. Microsiemens is not PPM...though, 'if' the measurement is taken at the right time, it can have close to the same 'number' represented within the average EIS makers range of normal strength. The numbers slew off one way and the other before and after that 'normal' range of , say, 10 to 20 PPM due to varying ratios of dissolved [conductive] and undissolved [nonconductive] componants. Those ratios can also vary between batches in the same range made by the same generator because any little thing in the water can nucleate or catalyse ionic componants into a non conductive particle. Using a laser [TE] can give you an idea on which way and how far to slew the meter numbers to make a 'good guess' on what the PPM might actually be. ..not that any two identical meters read the same in any given range when calibrated outside of that range, except by shear accident, or that everyone has calibrated eyeballs. The saving grace is that actual PPM doesn't freekin matter in the face of no dosing standards at all. [That make any sense, at all] 'Ballpark parking lot' is plenty good enough for an EIS grenade. [If you can hear the PA system, you're at the ballgame] Eyeballs and taste buds tell a story. Humm, weak..glug glug Ahh, strong!...glug. Holy cats! Rocket fuel! ... sip... while making funny faces. ..and the crowd roars Home Run, perking up the tailgaters ears. Ode At 09:25 AM 7/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: You guys are great as usual, thank you. So I was after a simple way to measure or estimate or even compare my end result. Previously I was holding the electrodes the same distance apart and placing them in the brew getting a reading of ohms to help decide the brew readiness. I would take from 20-50 ohms with a clear batch and a bit of fuzz forming to give it the thumbs up and consider it good and ready. Would measuring current be better (or both) for making that kind of crude determination? --- Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net wrote: So long as the elecrodes are always the same size and distance apart and parallel, an ammeter will get repeatability between batches. Deduct starting current [highly variable depending on water quality] from desired ending current. That alone won't say much about what the PPM is, just that it's nearly the same from batch to batch. Ode At 07:37 PM 7/1/2005 -0700, you wrote: How useful is a multimeter in relation to the silver concentration? For ex. a cheap yellow one? I have been checking in on this great list as long as I have been making and using the Silver Brew and do not recall seeing this addressed directly. It seems obvious that it has, so forgive the redundancy if so. I should have inquired long ago as I have been using one since I started making my own a couple of years ago, and use it with time, solution color, electrode fuzziness, laser pointer light, and the state of my active inventory, along with intuition, stages of the moon, and reading my tea leaves in urine. So you see I have such a wide array of inaccurate measures I assume that the sum or average of these absolutely obligates perfection. --- Tad Winiecki winie...@pacifier.com wrote: ---Max Sanders wrote--- I have 2 daughters in Costa Rica (tropics) and one especially is prone to these infections. Does anyone have a suggestion for a cranberry substitute that may be available in Costa Rica/tropics? They have CS in limited quantity and use it as well as GSE. Maz Here is a list of herbs for Cystitis from Energetics of Western Herbs, Peter Holmes- Agrimony Bearberry Birch Blackberry Caraway seed Celery seed Chicory Cleavers Grapevine Lavender oil Meadowsweet Melilot Mint Parsley seed Pasque flower Pipsissewa Ribwort plantain Rosemary Sarsaparilla Shepherd's purse Thyme oil Veronica Wood Betony Also a formula for Kidney Cleanse Detox Tea- In blender put equal amounts of: Ground Juniper berries Cornsilk Uva Ursi leaves Parsley root and leaf Carrot tops Dandelion leaf Horsetail herbs Goldenrod flower tops Orange peel Peppermint leaf Hydrangea root Gravel root Marshmallow root Blend and use to make detox tea. Store in glass jar out of light. Dosage: 2 cups of the tea consumed 15 minutes after doing your Liver/Gall Bladder Flush. It can also be drunk at any other time during the day, as many cups as desired. Put 1 tablespoon (medium) or 2 tablespoons (strong) of this tea into 20 ounces of distilled water. Be sure to use only stainless steel or glass cookware. Let the tea sit in the
Re: CSMultimeter usefulness
So long as the elecrodes are always the same size and distance apart and parallel, an ammeter will get repeatability between batches. Deduct starting current [highly variable depending on water quality] from desired ending current. That alone won't say much about what the PPM is, just that it's nearly the same from batch to batch. Ode At 07:37 PM 7/1/2005 -0700, you wrote: How useful is a multimeter in relation to the silver concentration? For ex. a cheap yellow one? I have been checking in on this great list as long as I have been making and using the Silver Brew and do not recall seeing this addressed directly. It seems obvious that it has, so forgive the redundancy if so. I should have inquired long ago as I have been using one since I started making my own a couple of years ago, and use it with time, solution color, electrode fuzziness, laser pointer light, and the state of my active inventory, along with intuition, stages of the moon, and reading my tea leaves in urine. So you see I have such a wide array of inaccurate measures I assume that the sum or average of these absolutely obligates perfection. --- Tad Winiecki winie...@pacifier.com wrote: ---Max Sanders wrote--- I have 2 daughters in Costa Rica (tropics) and one especially is prone to these infections. Does anyone have a suggestion for a cranberry substitute that may be available in Costa Rica/tropics? They have CS in limited quantity and use it as well as GSE. Maz Here is a list of herbs for Cystitis from Energetics of Western Herbs, Peter Holmes- Agrimony Bearberry Birch Blackberry Caraway seed Celery seed Chicory Cleavers Grapevine Lavender oil Meadowsweet Melilot Mint Parsley seed Pasque flower Pipsissewa Ribwort plantain Rosemary Sarsaparilla Shepherd's purse Thyme oil Veronica Wood Betony Also a formula for Kidney Cleanse Detox Tea- In blender put equal amounts of: Ground Juniper berries Cornsilk Uva Ursi leaves Parsley root and leaf Carrot tops Dandelion leaf Horsetail herbs Goldenrod flower tops Orange peel Peppermint leaf Hydrangea root Gravel root Marshmallow root Blend and use to make detox tea. Store in glass jar out of light. Dosage: 2 cups of the tea consumed 15 minutes after doing your Liver/Gall Bladder Flush. It can also be drunk at any other time during the day, as many cups as desired. Put 1 tablespoon (medium) or 2 tablespoons (strong) of this tea into 20 ounces of distilled water. Be sure to use only stainless steel or glass cookware. Let the tea sit in the water overnight. In the morning heat up to a boil, reduce heat and let simmer for 15 minutes. Strain the herbs, do not discard them, let cool a bit but use hot. Put the used herbs back into the pot, add 1 tablespoon of fresh herbs and 20 ounces of pure water. Let sit overnight and repeat whole process again. Keep adding new herbs to old ones for three days, then discard all herbs and start over. Hope this helps,I don't know if they are available in Costa Rica, there would be a similar list of tropical plants that would work. Nancy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.9/39 - Release Date: 7/4/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.9 - Release Date: 7/4/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.9 - Release Date: 7/6/2005
Re: CSMultimeter usefulness
You guys are great as usual, thank you. So I was after a simple way to measure or estimate or even compare my end result. Previously I was holding the electrodes the same distance apart and placing them in the brew getting a reading of ohms to help decide the brew readiness. I would take from 20-50 ohms with a clear batch and a bit of fuzz forming to give it the thumbs up and consider it good and ready. Would measuring current be better (or both) for making that kind of crude determination? --- Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net wrote: So long as the elecrodes are always the same size and distance apart and parallel, an ammeter will get repeatability between batches. Deduct starting current [highly variable depending on water quality] from desired ending current. That alone won't say much about what the PPM is, just that it's nearly the same from batch to batch. Ode At 07:37 PM 7/1/2005 -0700, you wrote: How useful is a multimeter in relation to the silver concentration? For ex. a cheap yellow one? I have been checking in on this great list as long as I have been making and using the Silver Brew and do not recall seeing this addressed directly. It seems obvious that it has, so forgive the redundancy if so. I should have inquired long ago as I have been using one since I started making my own a couple of years ago, and use it with time, solution color, electrode fuzziness, laser pointer light, and the state of my active inventory, along with intuition, stages of the moon, and reading my tea leaves in urine. So you see I have such a wide array of inaccurate measures I assume that the sum or average of these absolutely obligates perfection. --- Tad Winiecki winie...@pacifier.com wrote: ---Max Sanders wrote--- I have 2 daughters in Costa Rica (tropics) and one especially is prone to these infections. Does anyone have a suggestion for a cranberry substitute that may be available in Costa Rica/tropics? They have CS in limited quantity and use it as well as GSE. Maz Here is a list of herbs for Cystitis from Energetics of Western Herbs, Peter Holmes- Agrimony Bearberry Birch Blackberry Caraway seed Celery seed Chicory Cleavers Grapevine Lavender oil Meadowsweet Melilot Mint Parsley seed Pasque flower Pipsissewa Ribwort plantain Rosemary Sarsaparilla Shepherd's purse Thyme oil Veronica Wood Betony Also a formula for Kidney Cleanse Detox Tea- In blender put equal amounts of: Ground Juniper berries Cornsilk Uva Ursi leaves Parsley root and leaf Carrot tops Dandelion leaf Horsetail herbs Goldenrod flower tops Orange peel Peppermint leaf Hydrangea root Gravel root Marshmallow root Blend and use to make detox tea. Store in glass jar out of light. Dosage: 2 cups of the tea consumed 15 minutes after doing your Liver/Gall Bladder Flush. It can also be drunk at any other time during the day, as many cups as desired. Put 1 tablespoon (medium) or 2 tablespoons (strong) of this tea into 20 ounces of distilled water. Be sure to use only stainless steel or glass cookware. Let the tea sit in the water overnight. In the morning heat up to a boil, reduce heat and let simmer for 15 minutes. Strain the herbs, do not discard them, let cool a bit but use hot. Put the used herbs back into the pot, add 1 tablespoon of fresh herbs and 20 ounces of pure water. Let sit overnight and repeat whole process again. Keep adding new herbs to old ones for three days, then discard all herbs and start over. Hope this helps,I don't know if they are available in Costa Rica, there would be a similar list of tropical plants that would work. Nancy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.9/39 - Release Date: 7/4/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.9 - Release Date: 7/4/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.9 - Release Date:
CSMultimeter usefulness
The use of a multimeter raises a long-standing issue. Should we measure conductance (in units of microsiemens, uS) or conductivity (in units of microsiemens per centimeter, uS/cm)? The probes' spacing and length must be known and fixed if we want to relate conductance and conductivity by a proportionality. Matthew
Re: CSMultimeter usefulness
Mathew, you are sure cranking up my question a few notches. What do you think of using the basic multimeter for a measure of quality? I'd be very interested in your considered opinion. And perhaps some of us could gain some general guidance from the technical study. It appears as though there are other considerations possible in this discussion. To give you an idea of how basic and simple I need it to use (or not) as a tool in measuring my brew, I ask you - Isn't Ohm the inverse of siemen or microsiemens? Maz --- Matthew McCann mmcc...@franciscan.edu wrote: The use of a multimeter raises a long-standing issue. Matthew __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMultimeter usefulness
Hello, Maz, A lot depends on whether the EIS generator is commercially manufactured (e.g. by Ode, Trem et al) or home made. I personally use a homemade generator with a current limiting rheostat to prevent runaway, and a 3-inch separation of bullion coin electrodes. For such a setup, a multimeter can be quite useful. I use a multimeter to measure the resistance between the electrodes when fresh DW is in the vessel. Then I adjust the current-limiting rheostat to match the inter-electrode resistance. The multimeter can then be used during the electrolysis process to exhibit the brewing rate. With experience, this gives a good indication of the quality of the brew. The multimeter could then be used either as a microammeter (if it has the proper range) in series with the electrolysis cell, or as a voltmeter in parallel with the current-limiting rheostat or the cell electrodes. The multimeter could also be used to measure conductivity of EIS in a container outside the brewing vessel, if the wetted probes' length and spacing were kept constant. Even then, the reading would be only be relative. That is, ratios of such readings for different EIS batches would have meaning. Single readings would not, unless the probes' geometry were calibrated using a standard conductivity cell technique. This technique is well-known in college courses in Physical Chemistry or Electrochemistry. Commercially made meters such as the Hanna TDS have been pre-calibrated for a fixed-geometry conductivity measurement, and then calibrated for ionic concentration as proportional to the conductivity. A multimeter is definitely a handy tool to keep around for various purposes in making and checking EIS. I get by, however,with just an analog microammeter (no batteries to wear out) and a Hanna TDS. Best regards, Matthew
CSMultimeter usefulness
How useful is a multimeter in relation to the silver concentration? For ex. a cheap yellow one? I have been checking in on this great list as long as I have been making and using the Silver Brew and do not recall seeing this addressed directly. It seems obvious that it has, so forgive the redundancy if so. I should have inquired long ago as I have been using one since I started making my own a couple of years ago, and use it with time, solution color, electrode fuzziness, laser pointer light, and the state of my active inventory, along with intuition, stages of the moon, and reading my tea leaves in urine. So you see I have such a wide array of inaccurate measures I assume that the sum or average of these absolutely obligates perfection. --- Tad Winiecki winie...@pacifier.com wrote: ---Max Sanders wrote--- I have 2 daughters in Costa Rica (tropics) and one especially is prone to these infections. Does anyone have a suggestion for a cranberry substitute that may be available in Costa Rica/tropics? They have CS in limited quantity and use it as well as GSE. Maz Here is a list of herbs for Cystitis from Energetics of Western Herbs, Peter Holmes- Agrimony Bearberry Birch Blackberry Caraway seed Celery seed Chicory Cleavers Grapevine Lavender oil Meadowsweet Melilot Mint Parsley seed Pasque flower Pipsissewa Ribwort plantain Rosemary Sarsaparilla Shepherd's purse Thyme oil Veronica Wood Betony Also a formula for Kidney Cleanse Detox Tea- In blender put equal amounts of: Ground Juniper berries Cornsilk Uva Ursi leaves Parsley root and leaf Carrot tops Dandelion leaf Horsetail herbs Goldenrod flower tops Orange peel Peppermint leaf Hydrangea root Gravel root Marshmallow root Blend and use to make detox tea. Store in glass jar out of light. Dosage: 2 cups of the tea consumed 15 minutes after doing your Liver/Gall Bladder Flush. It can also be drunk at any other time during the day, as many cups as desired. Put 1 tablespoon (medium) or 2 tablespoons (strong) of this tea into 20 ounces of distilled water. Be sure to use only stainless steel or glass cookware. Let the tea sit in the water overnight. In the morning heat up to a boil, reduce heat and let simmer for 15 minutes. Strain the herbs, do not discard them, let cool a bit but use hot. Put the used herbs back into the pot, add 1 tablespoon of fresh herbs and 20 ounces of pure water. Let sit overnight and repeat whole process again. Keep adding new herbs to old ones for three days, then discard all herbs and start over. Hope this helps,I don't know if they are available in Costa Rica, there would be a similar list of tropical plants that would work. Nancy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
