Re: CSNew pulse generator design
The high voltage will impart a higher velocity to the ions being emitted and the pulse width limit averaged current. I don't know that that will affect electrode deposits in any way other than maybe blowing them off into the water or perhaps have those byproducts form in the water rather than on the electrodes. Try it and see what happens. Ode On 8/2/2014 8:19 PM, John Popelish wrote: On 08/02/2014 08:01 PM, asifnathekar wrote: Any advantages over regular DC current controlled designs Or people who use zappers at 25khz frequencies such as don croft/ Hulda Clark designs At this point, any advantages are unproved. I was frustrated with the silver oxide and electroplated solver particles produced with DC systems. I am hoping for input about whether or not these effects can be finessed by using brief, high voltage pulses, separated by relative long resting periods, that let the atomic oxygen, at the cathode, disperse and the ejected silver atoms (or clusters) to diffuse away from the electrodes. I got the idea from pulse battery charging circuits. I noticed that they altered the surface texture of the battery plates, relative to pure DC charging systems. But, at this point, I make no definite claims about whether this generator produces anything different than batteries. This is what I am trying to discover. I'll try to find info on the Hulda Clark design you mention. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew pulse generator design
Hulda Clark / Don Croft type designs below this is the same type of circuit with the same functional output http://www.stenulson.net/althealth/cspulse.htm Ive made this and found that my brew was getting gold coloured It made the brew pretty fast and I wasn't happy with it. After experimenting with pulsed DC circuits and current controlled DC, I've stuck with Current controlled sticking to 0.2ma per Square inch. including pulsed DC and controlling current simultaneously! I have tried the suggested 1ma per square inch and it was too much for my brewing setup since I do not stir for fear of introducing contaminants and also i found that too vigorous a stir ruined the brew anyway, Trem also found similar results and did a lot a work to get the stirring work. I use a LM334 IC, It operates within 1v and 40V, is well behaved with minimal circuitry, and can compensate for temperature and drift. http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm134.pdf I hope this helps. Peace to all Asif. -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 12:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSNew pulse generator design The high voltage will impart a higher velocity to the ions being emitted and the pulse width limit averaged current. I don't know that that will affect electrode deposits in any way other than maybe blowing them off into the water or perhaps have those byproducts form in the water rather than on the electrodes. Try it and see what happens. Ode On 8/2/2014 8:19 PM, John Popelish wrote: On 08/02/2014 08:01 PM, asifnathekar wrote: Any advantages over regular DC current controlled designs Or people who use zappers at 25khz frequencies such as don croft/ Hulda Clark designs At this point, any advantages are unproved. I was frustrated with the silver oxide and electroplated solver particles produced with DC systems. I am hoping for input about whether or not these effects can be finessed by using brief, high voltage pulses, separated by relative long resting periods, that let the atomic oxygen, at the cathode, disperse and the ejected silver atoms (or clusters) to diffuse away from the electrodes. I got the idea from pulse battery charging circuits. I noticed that they altered the surface texture of the battery plates, relative to pure DC charging systems. But, at this point, I make no definite claims about whether this generator produces anything different than batteries. This is what I am trying to discover. I'll try to find info on the Hulda Clark design you mention. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew pulse generator design
On 08/03/2014 01:58 PM, Asif Nathekar wrote: Hulda Clark / Don Croft type designs below this is the same type of circuit with the same functional output http://www.stenulson.net/althealth/cspulse.htm Ive made this and found that my brew was getting gold coloured It made the brew pretty fast and I wasn't happy with it. After experimenting with pulsed DC circuits and current controlled DC, I've stuck with Current controlled sticking to 0.2ma per Square inch. including pulsed DC and controlling current simultaneously! I have tried the suggested 1ma per square inch and it was too much for my brewing setup since I do not stir for fear of introducing contaminants and also i found that too vigorous a stir ruined the brew anyway, Trem also found similar results and did a lot a work to get the stirring work. I use a LM334 IC, It operates within 1v and 40V, is well behaved with minimal circuitry, and can compensate for temperature and drift. http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm134.pdf I hope this helps. Thank you, Asif. This information has helped me quite a bit. It shows me that none of these common ways to generate CS resembles the electrical waveform my circuit produces. The pulser circuits shown just switch the DC on and off. My circuit operates more like the ignition coil in a car, where an inductor is charged with a current, and then that current is switched to the electrodes, as the energy in the inductor runs down, producing more voltage than the battery makes, if the solution resistance is high (as expected with distilled water between the electrodes). Whether this change results in any difference in the final solution, or in the efficiency of electrode consumption remains to be proved. I have been experimenting with 2 square inch surface, 5 gram rectangular tag, bullion electrodes. It is also my goal to make the circuit just about destruction proof, regardless of whether the electrodes are open or short circuited, or if the battery is connected backwards. I am thinking of adding a polarity reversing switch to the output, so the anode and cathode can be interchanged, without having to move wires around. I would love to figure out a simple way to make alternating pulses have opposite polarity, to make a completely symmetrical output, to eliminate electroplating out the silver, but haven't gotten there, yet. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew pulse generator design
My concern is that... By the sounds if it.. You can't control current This has been the most important part of CS production in terms of favouring a high ionic brew Which is what most of us would prefer, unless you have some other use for it of course. Also are you looking to produce an AC signal from a single battery? Then the beck design of zapper is for you. I do not use voltage multiplying bridges or inducters but a DC to DC converter to up my voltages. The beck design flips the polarity of its outputs as it doesn't output a 0v Its very smart and it works.. I've got schematics if anyone wants.. There's many on the net.. I'll email directly to those who ask as you can't send .jpg on this list. Cheers Asif Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: John Popelish jpopel...@gmail.com Date: 03/08/2014 19:50 (GMT+00:00) To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSNew pulse generator design On 08/03/2014 01:58 PM, Asif Nathekar wrote: Hulda Clark / Don Croft type designs below this is the same type of circuit with the same functional output http://www.stenulson.net/althealth/cspulse.htm Ive made this and found that my brew was getting gold coloured It made the brew pretty fast and I wasn't happy with it. After experimenting with pulsed DC circuits and current controlled DC, I've stuck with Current controlled sticking to 0.2ma per Square inch. including pulsed DC and controlling current simultaneously! I have tried the suggested 1ma per square inch and it was too much for my brewing setup since I do not stir for fear of introducing contaminants and also i found that too vigorous a stir ruined the brew anyway, Trem also found similar results and did a lot a work to get the stirring work. I use a LM334 IC, It operates within 1v and 40V, is well behaved with minimal circuitry, and can compensate for temperature and drift. http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm134.pdf I hope this helps. Thank you, Asif. This information has helped me quite a bit. It shows me that none of these common ways to generate CS resembles the electrical waveform my circuit produces. The pulser circuits shown just switch the DC on and off. My circuit operates more like the ignition coil in a car, where an inductor is charged with a current, and then that current is switched to the electrodes, as the energy in the inductor runs down, producing more voltage than the battery makes, if the solution resistance is high (as expected with distilled water between the electrodes). Whether this change results in any difference in the final solution, or in the efficiency of electrode consumption remains to be proved. I have been experimenting with 2 square inch surface, 5 gram rectangular tag, bullion electrodes. It is also my goal to make the circuit just about destruction proof, regardless of whether the electrodes are open or short circuited, or if the battery is connected backwards. I am thinking of adding a polarity reversing switch to the output, so the anode and cathode can be interchanged, without having to move wires around. I would love to figure out a simple way to make alternating pulses have opposite polarity, to make a completely symmetrical output, to eliminate electroplating out the silver, but haven't gotten there, yet. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew pulse generator design
On 08/03/2014 03:12 PM, asifnathekar wrote: My concern is that... By the sounds if it.. You can't control current This has been the most important part of CS production in terms of favouring a high ionic brew Which is what most of us would prefer, unless you have some other use for it of course. Actually, since the current comes from an inductor, not directly from the battery, the current can be set, over a wide range, just by how long the circuit charges the inductor up with current, before the pulse. A constant voltage across an inductor ramps its current up, in proportion to the ramp time. A simple timer circuit sets both this ramp charge time and the time until the next pulse (repetition rate). So this circuit has an inherently more current regulated output than just a battery with a resistor. I don't know, yet if powerful, but brief (10s of microseconds) current pulses, separated by relative long (milliseconds) rest times does a better or worse job of creating ionic or colloidal silver than the same average current, applied steadily. That is really what this experiment is about. I'm trying to find out any time dependency or resonances involved in electrolytically releasing silver from the electrodes. Also are you looking to produce an AC signal from a single battery? Then the beck design of zapper is for you. I do not use voltage multiplying bridges or inducters but a DC to DC converter to up my voltages. The beck design flips the polarity of its outputs as it doesn't output a 0v Its very smart and it works.. I've got schematics if anyone wants.. I would very much like to see that schematic, by email, or by link. I have two distinct ways of outputting nearly zero average voltage (balance of forward and reverse volt seconds). If I connect the electrodes across the inductor, then the solution sees not only the discharge pulse, but the charging and energy recovery, reverse 9 volt porches, before and after the high voltage pulse. If I block the charge and recovery voltages from the electrodes by a diode, (only positive discharge pulse goes to electrode) but build a second similar pulse generator that fires, alternately into the other electrode, making a completely symmetrical circuit, then the average voltage is almost exactly zero. I haven't built such a circuit yet, so I don't know if it has any advantage for double the complexity. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSNew pulse generator design
I joined this group because I have been experimenting with what I think is a novel high frequency pulse CS generator circuit. I am hoping to get some discussion of the effect of applied waveform to the quality of CS produced. Some specifics about the generator operation: Pulse pulse repetition rate is settable over a wide range of frequency. Presently I am running it at about 62 pulses per second. Pulse shape is roughly a half sine wave for loads above about 10,000 ohms. Open circuit, the peak output voltage is over 200 volts and lasts for about 32 microseconds. Short circuited, the pulse is am exponentially decaying shape with a time constant of about 1 millisecond and a peak current of about 200 milliamps. Output current peaks at about 20 milliamps for a 10,000 ohm load and at about 2 milliamps for a 100,000 ohm load. The generator runs on a single 9 volt battery which lasts about a week of continuous operation, with a 10,000 ohm load. Any power that is not used to pass current through the electrodes is returned to the battery, after each pulse. Almost all pulse parameters can be adjusted by component change. The circuit is quite adaptable. The production rate is slow enough that no stirring seems necessary (a few days to produce a pint of solution in distilled water, with a strong metallic taste). Very little oxide or dross is produced. I intend to make the design public information and may sell a few prototype units, at cost (about $10), as a service to beta testers, if interest warrants that. Any comments or suggestions are appreciated. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew pulse generator design
Any advantages over regular DC current controlled designs Or people who use zappers at 25khz frequencies such as don croft/ Hulda Clark designs Cheers. Peace to all Asif. Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: John Popelish jpopel...@gmail.com Date: 02/08/2014 23:40 (GMT+00:00) To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSNew pulse generator design I joined this group because I have been experimenting with what I think is a novel high frequency pulse CS generator circuit. I am hoping to get some discussion of the effect of applied waveform to the quality of CS produced. Some specifics about the generator operation: Pulse pulse repetition rate is settable over a wide range of frequency. Presently I am running it at about 62 pulses per second. Pulse shape is roughly a half sine wave for loads above about 10,000 ohms. Open circuit, the peak output voltage is over 200 volts and lasts for about 32 microseconds. Short circuited, the pulse is am exponentially decaying shape with a time constant of about 1 millisecond and a peak current of about 200 milliamps. Output current peaks at about 20 milliamps for a 10,000 ohm load and at about 2 milliamps for a 100,000 ohm load. The generator runs on a single 9 volt battery which lasts about a week of continuous operation, with a 10,000 ohm load. Any power that is not used to pass current through the electrodes is returned to the battery, after each pulse. Almost all pulse parameters can be adjusted by component change. The circuit is quite adaptable. The production rate is slow enough that no stirring seems necessary (a few days to produce a pint of solution in distilled water, with a strong metallic taste). Very little oxide or dross is produced. I intend to make the design public information and may sell a few prototype units, at cost (about $10), as a service to beta testers, if interest warrants that. Any comments or suggestions are appreciated. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew pulse generator design
On 08/02/2014 08:01 PM, asifnathekar wrote: Any advantages over regular DC current controlled designs Or people who use zappers at 25khz frequencies such as don croft/ Hulda Clark designs At this point, any advantages are unproved. I was frustrated with the silver oxide and electroplated solver particles produced with DC systems. I am hoping for input about whether or not these effects can be finessed by using brief, high voltage pulses, separated by relative long resting periods, that let the atomic oxygen, at the cathode, disperse and the ejected silver atoms (or clusters) to diffuse away from the electrodes. I got the idea from pulse battery charging circuits. I noticed that they altered the surface texture of the battery plates, relative to pure DC charging systems. But, at this point, I make no definite claims about whether this generator produces anything different than batteries. This is what I am trying to discover. I'll try to find info on the Hulda Clark design you mention. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
