Re: CSRheumatoid arthritis or Lupus and nightshades
I wonder if, with your many symptoms and problems, if you might want to look into fasting (long fasts either with juice or water). This is supposed to be the actual cure for all diseases. It is difficult and could be somewhat dangerous for some people so it would be good to do it under some sort of supervision. One would not be able to work and do a proper water fast, in my opinion... Dan Re: CSRheumatoid arthritis or Lupus and nightshades From: sol wrote: Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:45:11 There has just got to be an underlying cause of all this whole complex of problems. Doesn't there? The food allergies I already have complicate every attempt to deal with things via diet though. My iodine allergy is the worst. Without the iodine allergy there is a lot I could do via diet. But I can't get rid of it or haven't been able to so far (20 years). sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRheumatoid arthritis or Lupus and nightshades
Yes, I'd also have to agree with Dan..:-) -Original Message- From: Dan Nave [mailto:dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 10:33 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRheumatoid arthritis or Lupus and nightshades I wonder if, with your many symptoms and problems, if you might want to look into fasting (long fasts either with juice or water). This is supposed to be the actual cure for all diseases. It is difficult and could be somewhat dangerous for some people so it would be good to do it under some sort of supervision. One would not be able to work and do a proper water fast, in my opinion... Dan Re: CSRheumatoid arthritis or Lupus and nightshades From: sol wrote: Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:45:11 There has just got to be an underlying cause of all this whole complex of problems. Doesn't there? The food allergies I already have complicate every attempt to deal with things via diet though. My iodine allergy is the worst. Without the iodine allergy there is a lot I could do via diet. But I can't get rid of it or haven't been able to so far (20 years). sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRheumatoid arthritis or Lupus and nightshades
Sol, if you have to take ibuprofen, I suggest taking a chelated copper tablet with each dose. This should protect your stomach from the very damaging effects of the NSAID. It may also increase the anti-inflammatory effects of the ibuprofen. Paul H - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 5:40 PM Subject: Re: CSRheumatoid arthritis or Lupus and nightshades Nightshades don't seem to be a bother to me. I have had a major, whole body two days in bed flare after eating celery though. I don't do cheddar as the yellow coloring annatto seems to be a problem for me. Is annatto a nightshade? I know it is a common allergen. Right now, I do eat some nightshades as they are some of the only veg I'm not allergic to for other reasons. I have just had bloodtests to rule out RA or Lupus, though my online research seems to indicate that people who do not have positive Rheumatoid factor blood tests can still have the disease, and people who are positive for RF don't always have it. So I likely wasted my time and had 9 x-rays for nothing. I have some symtpoms of both, but not all. Over the past 15 or more years I've had problems in different joints, hands, wrists, elbows, feet, hips, now it is my knees that are the problem. A couple of times I have barely been able to get around, even with canes. I have been working on suspected underlying causes for the past two + years, but have made only minimal progress in the joint problems, GI problems are significantly better though. I may just have to self-treat for RA and see if I improve. This could also be Fibromyalgia or one of the many other related mysterious conditions. It doesn't seem to be anything definitive enough for a real medical diagnosis. So it is very frustrating. The orthopedic doc will likely push for arthroscopy but I don't want that. Meantime he has said no walking and maybe I could do swimming for excercise, but I can't because of eczema. I have no doubt whatsoever that pool chlorine and chemicals would set off the eczema horribly, because of the drying, if nothing else. Meantime I'm supposed to take 3 Ibuprofen 3 times a day, for two weeks. I don't normally do MDs anymore, but I was hoping for a diagnosis I could then use to self-treat. I doubt I'll make the full two weeks of the ibuprofen trial though, doubt my stomach will take it. I will likely return to MSM and yucca, and homeopathic pain relievers. If I could just get a diagnosis, I could target everything a whole lot more effectively. There has just got to be an underlying cause of all this whole complex of problems. Doesn't there? The food allergies I already have complicate every attempt to deal with things via diet though. My iodine allergy is the worst. Without the iodine allergy there is a lot I could do via diet. But I can't get rid of it or haven't been able to so far (20 years). sol Judydownmaine wrote: Sol -- Have you removed nightshades from your diet? potatoes. tomatoes, eggplant, green (and other) peppers -- add to that list paprika and cheddar cheese See http://www.noarthritis.com/nightshades.htm My pain disappeared and joints healed after removing nightshades and drinking enough water (1/2 your weight divided by 8 for the number of 8 oz glasses to drink every day. Do half before 10 AM) I also did a regimen of 5ppm CS --- 1/4 cup 4X/day on an empty stomach for 1 month Judy Down Maine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRheumatoid arthritis or Lupus and nightshades
Have heard of it, not tried it yet. It is on the list though :-) So many treatments, so little time, you know? sol Sally Khanna wrote: Sol, There is a doctor (acupuncturist, OMD, nurse, phd) in Buena Park CA. She treats people with m ultiple sensitivities and has had good success. I went there a few times and my son had even better results than I did. Her name is Devi Nambudripad. The system she developed is NAET. Perhaps you've heard of it, if not, you might consider it. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRheumatoid arthritis or Lupus and nightshades
I sure hear you, Sol... and it's awful when you don't feel well to try to make decisions, I've been there. Some of her results have been amazing, though. she was recommended to me by my dentist. Sally sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: Have heard of it, not tried it yet. It is on the list though :-) So many treatments, so little time, you know? sol Sally Khanna wrote: Sol, There is a doctor (acupuncturist, OMD, nurse, phd) in Buena Park CA. She treats people with m ultiple sensitivities and has had good success. I went there a few times and my son had even better results than I did. Her name is Devi Nambudripad. The system she developed is NAET. Perhaps you've heard of it, if not, you might consider it. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour - Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! What will yours do?
Re: CSRheumatoid arthritis or Lupus and nightshades
Hi Paul, Thanks for that info, and the article on DMSO for Crohn's from krysalis is interesting, too. Great stuff! The GOL products seem to be the only things recommended or sold for this type of GI condition nowdays, they are literally everywhere, and I can't use any of them. The copper I have on hand is Copper gluconate 2 mg per capsule. Do you know if this is ok? TIA, sol Paul Holloway wrote: Sol, if you have to take ibuprofen, I suggest taking a chelated copper tablet with each dose. This should protect your stomach from the very damaging effects of the NSAID. It may also increase the anti-inflammatory effects of the ibuprofen. Paul H -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRheumatoid arthritis or Lupus and nightshades
Sol -- Have you removed nightshades from your diet? potatoes. tomatoes, eggplant, green (and other) peppers -- add to that list paprika and cheddar cheese See http://www.noarthritis.com/nightshades.htm My pain disappeared and joints healed after removing nightshades and drinking enough water (1/2 your weight divided by 8 for the number of 8 oz glasses to drink every day. Do half before 10 AM) I also did a regimen of 5ppm CS --- 1/4 cup 4X/day on an empty stomach for 1 month Judy Down Maine I searched the archives for any reference to Rheumatoid arthritis, found a thread with 11 messages in it and other than the subject header, not one word about curing RA with colloidal silver. Anyone have any experience with using CS for either RA or Lupus? TIA, sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.804 / Virus Database: 546 - Release Date: 11/30/2004
Re: CSRheumatoid arthritis or Lupus and nightshades
Nightshades don't seem to be a bother to me. I have had a major, whole body two days in bed flare after eating celery though. I don't do cheddar as the yellow coloring annatto seems to be a problem for me. Is annatto a nightshade? I know it is a common allergen. Right now, I do eat some nightshades as they are some of the only veg I'm not allergic to for other reasons. I have just had bloodtests to rule out RA or Lupus, though my online research seems to indicate that people who do not have positive Rheumatoid factor blood tests can still have the disease, and people who are positive for RF don't always have it. So I likely wasted my time and had 9 x-rays for nothing. I have some symtpoms of both, but not all. Over the past 15 or more years I've had problems in different joints, hands, wrists, elbows, feet, hips, now it is my knees that are the problem. A couple of times I have barely been able to get around, even with canes. I have been working on suspected underlying causes for the past two + years, but have made only minimal progress in the joint problems, GI problems are significantly better though. I may just have to self-treat for RA and see if I improve. This could also be Fibromyalgia or one of the many other related mysterious conditions. It doesn't seem to be anything definitive enough for a real medical diagnosis. So it is very frustrating. The orthopedic doc will likely push for arthroscopy but I don't want that. Meantime he has said no walking and maybe I could do swimming for excercise, but I can't because of eczema. I have no doubt whatsoever that pool chlorine and chemicals would set off the eczema horribly, because of the drying, if nothing else. Meantime I'm supposed to take 3 Ibuprofen 3 times a day, for two weeks. I don't normally do MDs anymore, but I was hoping for a diagnosis I could then use to self-treat. I doubt I'll make the full two weeks of the ibuprofen trial though, doubt my stomach will take it. I will likely return to MSM and yucca, and homeopathic pain relievers. If I could just get a diagnosis, I could target everything a whole lot more effectively. There has just got to be an underlying cause of all this whole complex of problems. Doesn't there? The food allergies I already have complicate every attempt to deal with things via diet though. My iodine allergy is the worst. Without the iodine allergy there is a lot I could do via diet. But I can't get rid of it or haven't been able to so far (20 years). sol Judydownmaine wrote: Sol -- Have you removed nightshades from your diet? potatoes. tomatoes, eggplant, green (and other) peppers -- add to that list paprika and cheddar cheese See http://www.noarthritis.com/nightshades.htm My pain disappeared and joints healed after removing nightshades and drinking enough water (1/2 your weight divided by 8 for the number of 8 oz glasses to drink every day. Do half before 10 AM) I also did a regimen of 5ppm CS --- 1/4 cup 4X/day on an empty stomach for 1 month Judy Down Maine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRheumatoid arthritis or Lupus and nightshades
Hi Sol, You'll have to excuse my ignorance. I developed a left knee problem back in April. It has become much better but still having intermittent aches. Sometimes weather is a factor, sometimes sedentary inactivity. I practice yoga and when done mindfully I have found it does help relieve pain. I did a few typical medical procedures and still nothing really. No structural damage that can be seen, not even an MRI detected much. There might be some inflammation behind some fatty tissue, inconclusive at best. A sports therapist thinks it's an IT band issue along the side of my leg running down just past the knee. The constant bending he thinks is what is causing the aggravation. I am still not sure if it is a physical problem, or if it has been brought on by dietary neglect. Went to a nutritionist didn't work. I don't believe it is RA. I don't have any inflammation, in the joint or surrounding area. Still haven't got a clue. Got any ideas? In regards to your situation, I suppose without sounding silly, believe you have to over come your iodine allergy? The thyroid really does need this. Have you tried Homeopathy? Just a suggestion.. :-) Ernie -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 12:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRheumatoid arthritis or Lupus and nightshades Nightshades don't seem to be a bother to me. I have had a major, whole body two days in bed flare after eating celery though. I don't do cheddar as the yellow coloring annatto seems to be a problem for me. Is annatto a nightshade? I know it is a common allergen. Right now, I do eat some nightshades as they are some of the only veg I'm not allergic to for other reasons. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRheumatoid arthritis or Lupus and nightshades
Hi Sol, Sorry to read of your allergies and problems. Regarding the Chlorine in pool chemicals--my son has a hot tub which he enjoys nightly to relieve pain from his Army Desert Storm injuries--I had been supplying him CS, CCu (colloidal copper) and H2O2 which he used with great success to replace regular harmful pool chemicals. Recently he found a Copper/Silver Bar that he purchased and uses and reports great success and comfort without chemical irritation. They also make such bars in larger sizes for use in pools--I suggest you inquire with pool suppliers and pool owners where you swim to see if they might have changed their preventive maintenance. Perhaps even sell them on the advantages so they, too, can enjoy their swims without skin irritation. Best regards, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 12:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRheumatoid arthritis or Lupus and nightshades Nightshades don't seem to be a bother to me. I have had a major, whole body two days in bed flare after eating celery though. I don't do cheddar as the yellow coloring annatto seems to be a problem for me. Is annatto a nightshade? I know it is a common allergen. Right now, I do eat some nightshades as they are some of the only veg I'm not allergic to for other reasons. I have just had bloodtests to rule out RA or Lupus, though my online research seems to indicate that people who do not have positive Rheumatoid factor blood tests can still have the disease, and people who are positive for RF don't always have it. So I likely wasted my time and had 9 x-rays for nothing. I have some symtpoms of both, but not all. Over the past 15 or more years I've had problems in different joints, hands, wrists, elbows, feet, hips, now it is my knees that are the problem. A couple of times I have barely been able to get around, even with canes. I have been working on suspected underlying causes for the past two + years, but have made only minimal progress in the joint problems, GI problems are significantly better though. I may just have to self-treat for RA and see if I improve. This could also be Fibromyalgia or one of the many other related mysterious conditions. It doesn't seem to be anything definitive enough for a real medical diagnosis. So it is very frustrating. The orthopedic doc will likely push for arthroscopy but I don't want that. Meantime he has said no walking and maybe I could do swimming for excercise, but I can't because of eczema. I have no doubt whatsoever that pool chlorine and chemicals would set off the eczema horribly, because of the drying, if nothing else. Meantime I'm supposed to take 3 Ibuprofen 3 times a day, for two weeks. I don't normally do MDs anymore, but I was hoping for a diagnosis I could then use to self-treat. I doubt I'll make the full two weeks of the ibuprofen trial though, doubt my stomach will take it. I will likely return to MSM and yucca, and homeopathic pain relievers. If I could just get a diagnosis, I could target everything a whole lot more effectively. There has just got to be an underlying cause of all this whole complex of problems. Doesn't there? The food allergies I already have complicate every attempt to deal with things via diet though. My iodine allergy is the worst. Without the iodine allergy there is a lot I could do via diet. But I can't get rid of it or haven't been able to so far (20 years). sol Judydownmaine wrote: Sol -- Have you removed nightshades from your diet? potatoes. tomatoes, eggplant, green (and other) peppers -- add to that list paprika and cheddar cheese See http://www.noarthritis.com/nightshades.htm My pain disappeared and joints healed after removing nightshades and drinking enough water (1/2 your weight divided by 8 for the number of 8 oz glasses to drink every day. Do half before 10 AM) I also did a regimen of 5ppm CS --- 1/4 cup 4X/day on an empty stomach for 1 month Judy Down Maine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRheumatoid arthritis or Lupus and nightshades
Sol, There is a doctor (acupuncturist, OMD, nurse, phd) in Buena Park CA. She treats people with m ultiple sensitivities and has had good success. I went there a few times and my son had even better results than I did. Her name is Devi Nambudripad. The system she developed is NAET. Perhaps you've heard of it, if not, you might consider it. Sally sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: Nightshades don't seem to be a bother to me. I have had a major, whole body two days in bed flare after eating celery though. I don't do cheddar as the yellow coloring annatto seems to be a problem for me. Is annatto a nightshade? I know it is a common allergen. Right now, I do eat some nightshades as they are some of the only veg I'm not allergic to for other reasons. I have just had bloodtests to rule out RA or Lupus, though my online research seems to indicate that people who do not have positive Rheumatoid factor blood tests can still have the disease, and people who are positive for RF don't always have it. So I likely wasted my time and had 9 x-rays for nothing. I have some symtpoms of both, but not all. Over the past 15 or more years I've had problems in different joints, hands, wrists, elbows, feet, hips, now it is my knees that are the problem. A couple of times I have barely been able to get around, even with canes. I have been working on suspected underlying causes for the past two + years, but have made only minimal progress in the joint problems, GI problems are significantly better though. I may just have to self-treat for RA and see if I improve. This could also be Fibromyalgia or one of the many other related mysterious conditions. It doesn't seem to be anything definitive enough for a real medical diagnosis. So it is very frustrating. The orthopedic doc will likely push for arthroscopy but I don't want that. Meantime he has said no walking and maybe I could do swimming for excercise, but I can't because of eczema. I have no doubt whatsoever that pool chlorine and chemicals would set off the eczema horribly, because of the drying, if nothing else. Meantime I'm supposed to take 3 Ibuprofen 3 times a day, for two weeks. I don't normally do MDs anymore, but I was hoping for a diagnosis I could then use to self-treat. I doubt I'll make the full two weeks of the ibuprofen trial though, doubt my stomach will take it. I will likely return to MSM and yucca, and homeopathic pain relievers. If I could just get a diagnosis, I could target everything a whole lot more effectively. There has just got to be an underlying cause of all this whole complex of problems. Doesn't there? The food allergies I already have complicate every attempt to deal with things via diet though. My iodine allergy is the worst. Without the iodine allergy there is a lot I could do via diet. But I can't get rid of it or haven't been able to so far (20 years). sol Judydownmaine wrote: Sol -- Have you removed nightshades from your diet? potatoes. tomatoes, eggplant, green (and other) peppers -- add to that list paprika and cheddar cheese See http://www.noarthritis.com/nightshades.htm My pain disappeared and joints healed after removing nightshades and drinking enough water (1/2 your weight divided by 8 for the number of 8 oz glasses to drink every day. Do half before 10 AM) I also did a regimen of 5ppm CS --- 1/4 cup 4X/day on an empty stomach for 1 month Judy Down Maine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
