Re: CSTECHNICAL HELP NEEDED!
Dear Vilik. I just read your post. Let me take a moment and discuss this. In our evaluations which included WaterOz, they wereprimarilyones involving Colloidal Silver as a single protocol agent. The material gave excellent results.IN THIS SETTING. We used only CS generated in our own labfor experiments involving combination components in solution. While we have conducted many different protocols, involving many different protocol combinationsincluding several different families of substances-precipitates were never a problem with any of our CS solutions, NO MATTER WHICH GENERATION PROTOCOL we employed (high voltage AC or low voltage DC). Your post troubles me because you, simply, should not be having the kind of chemical reaction you are reporting-unless there is some type of contamination in the aloe vera solution. Pure aloe juice HAS NEVER caused any type of precipitate to form in any CS---or combinationCS solution we have employed. We have mixed pure aloe vera (cold processed) extract with a super-saturated MSM solution and then added a 30% (by liquid volume) portion of 5 to 10 ppm CS..many times, and NEVER encountered precipitation conditions. Some of these solutions have remained, untended, for many days-still no visible alterations to the composite solution. In my opinion, something is not as it should be in your protocol. There are many possibilities, but the most obvious candidate is the Colloidal Silver or the Aloe Vera. I would suggest a simple variation of your present mixing procedure. First, mix only the CS and the MSMin a small quantity and observe the results. Next, mix only CS and Aloe Vera and observe the results. Next, mix MSM and Aloe Vera and observe. Finally, mix all three and observe. This examination may furnish you a reasonableand visible---answer. I believe you may find the bad actor. Do let me know your results. Sincerely. Brooks Bradley. P.S. Personally, I would not consume any CS solution that exhibited precipitates-OF ANY FASHION. Vilik Rapheles wrote: To anyone on the list who knows something about science (or who has used WaterOz Silver) I have some questions: I am using WaterOz silver, which is vaporized, and according to the company has particles much smaller than a molecule. It looks like water. It is pure silver and distilled reverse osmosis etc water. However, when anything is added to it, it turns grey/black. I made up some aloe/msm/silver, and by 1/2 hour it was almost black. I talked to the company. The said the silver is still in solution. At first they said it bonds with other things. I said, Then is it creating other substances? Then they said it reacts to other things. Maybe they don't know. Do other forms of silver do this? No one has mentioned this. Could this be tested? Is there anyone out there who used WaterOz and got better on it? (I know a few of you got better on something else and then switched to WaterOz for maintenance, but am wondering if anyone has used this as the form of cs which helped them get well.) I chose this brand because of Brook's success with it. But I really would like to know more about what it means that it turns grey/black, because if it does that when it meets other substances in a glass, surely it is doing it in my body. Would greatly appreciate any thoughts or experiences. ~^^V^^~ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- MZ¡ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSTECHNICAL HELP NEEDED!
Could you check the ph on the aloe vera you have been using? Perhaps it is not as acidic as what we have been using. Also how long did you wait for precipitation? We were seeing it on the order of weeks, although spectrophotometer measurements showed aggregation, but not precipitation, starting within hours. Also I would be happy to send you some of our pure aloe vera power for you to experiment with as well. Thanks, Marshall Brooks Bradley wrote: Dear Vilik. I just read your post. Let me take a moment and discuss this. In our evaluations which included WaterOz, they wereprimarilyones involving Colloidal Silver as a single protocol agent. The material gave excellent results.IN THIS SETTING. We used only CS generated in our own labfor experiments involving combination components in solution. While we have conducted many different protocols, involving many different protocol combinationsincluding several different families of substances-precipitates were never a problem with any of our CS solutions, NO MATTER WHICH GENERATION PROTOCOL we employed (high voltage AC or low voltage DC). Your post troubles me because you, simply, should not be having the kind of chemical reaction you are reporting-unless there is some type of contamination in the aloe vera solution. Pure aloe juice HAS NEVER caused any type of precipitate to form in any CS---or combinationCS solution we have employed. We have mixed pure aloe vera (cold processed) extract with a super-saturated MSM solution and then added a 30% (by liquid volume) portion of 5 to 10 ppm CS..many times, and NEVER encountered precipitation conditions. Some of these solutions have remained, untended, for many days-still no visible alterations to the composite solution. In my opinion, something is not as it should be in your protocol. There are many possibilities, but the most obvious candidate is the Colloidal Silver or the Aloe Vera. I would suggest a simple variation of your present mixing procedure. First, mix only the CS and the MSMin a small quantity and observe the results. Next, mix only CS and Aloe Vera and observe the results. Next, mix MSM and Aloe Vera and observe. Finally, mix all three and observe. This examination may furnish you a reasonableand visible---answer. I believe you may find the bad actor. Do let me know your results. Sincerely. Brooks Bradley. P.S. Personally, I would not consume any CS solution that exhibited precipitates-OF ANY FASHION. Vilik Rapheles wrote: To anyone on the list who knows something about science (or who has used WaterOz Silver) I have some questions: I am using WaterOz silver, which is vaporized, and according to the company has particles much smaller than a molecule. It looks like water. It is pure silver and distilled reverse osmosis etc water. However, when anything is added to it, it turns grey/black. I made up some aloe/msm/silver, and by 1/2 hour it was almost black. I talked to the company. The said the silver is still in solution. At first they said it bonds with other things. I said, Then is it creating other substances? Then they said it reacts to other things. Maybe they don't know. Do other forms of silver do this? No one has mentioned this. Could this be tested? Is there anyone out there who used WaterOz and got better on it? (I know a few of you got better on something else and then switched to WaterOz for maintenance, but am wondering if anyone has used this as the form of cs which helped them get well.) I chose this brand because of Brook's success with it. But I really would like to know more about what it means that it turns grey/black, because if it does that when it meets other substances in a glass, surely it is doing it in my body. Would greatly appreciate any thoughts or experiences. ~^^V^^~ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- MZ¡ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send
CSTECHNICAL HELP NEEDED/To Brooks
At 02:53 AM 5/29/99 -0500, you wrote: Dear Vilik. I just read your post. Let me take a moment and discuss this. In our evaluations which included WaterOz, they wereprimarilyones involving Colloidal Silver as a single protocol agent. The material gave excellent results.IN THIS SETTING. We used only CS generated in our own labfor experiments involving combination components in solution. While we have conducted many different protocols, involving many different protocol combinationsincluding several different families of substances-precipitates were never a problem with any of our CS solutions, NO MATTER WHICH GENERATION PROTOCOL we employed (high voltage AC or low voltage DC). Your post troubles me because you, simply, should not be having the kind of chemical reaction you are reporting-unless there is some type of contamination in the aloe vera solution. Pure aloe juice HAS NEVER caused any type of precipitate to form in any CS---or combinationCS solution we have employed. We have mixed pure aloe vera (cold processed) extract with a super-saturated MSM solution and then added a 30% (by liquid volume) portion of 5 to 10 ppm CS..many times, and NEVER encountered precipitation conditions. Some of these solutions have remained, untended, for many days-still no visible alterations to the composite solution. In my opinion, something is not as it should be in your protocol. There are many possibilities, but the most obvious candidate is the Colloidal Silver or the Aloe Vera. I would suggest a simple variation of your present mixing procedure. First, mix only the CS and the MSMin a small quantity and observe the results. Next, mix only CS and Aloe Vera and observe the results. Next, mix MSM and Aloe Vera and observe. Finally, mix all three and observe. This examination may furnish you a reasonableand visible---answer. I believe you may find the bad actor. Do let me know your results. Sincerely. Brooks Bradley. P.S. Personally, I would not consume any CS solution that exhibited precipitates-OF ANY FASHION. ~~~ Brooks, Excellent suggestions. I will follow them today and report my results. My aloe does have a preservative in it. I will get a pure one and try that too. Thanks so very much for the help. Vilik -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSTECHNICAL HELP NEEDED!
Colloidal Silver, being positively charged will precipitate when exposed to anything acid. Aloe Vera tend to be quite acidic. The simple solution is to add some baking soda to the solution to lower the ph to 7 or below. Use a water testing kit for aquariums or swimming pools to check the ph. The baking soda has no harmful effects on the silver. I would say the other company did not know. We ran tests on this combination for several months before determining exactly what the problem was when mixed with Silver Lightning HVAC colloidal silver. We expect to be selling this combination shortly, and stabilizing it was the major hurdle to overcome. Marshall Dudley http://silver-lightning.com Vilik Rapheles wrote: To anyone on the list who knows something about science (or who has used WaterOz Silver) I have some questions: I am using WaterOz silver, which is vaporized, and according to the company has particles much smaller than a molecule. It looks like water. It is pure silver and distilled reverse osmosis etc water. However, when anything is added to it, it turns grey/black. I made up some aloe/msm/silver, and by 1/2 hour it was almost black. I talked to the company. The said the silver is still in solution. At first they said it bonds with other things. I said, Then is it creating other substances? Then they said it reacts to other things. Maybe they don't know. Do other forms of silver do this? No one has mentioned this. Could this be tested? Is there anyone out there who used WaterOz and got better on it? (I know a few of you got better on something else and then switched to WaterOz for maintenance, but am wondering if anyone has used this as the form of cs which helped them get well.) I chose this brand because of Brook's success with it. But I really would like to know more about what it means that it turns grey/black, because if it does that when it meets other substances in a glass, surely it is doing it in my body. Would greatly appreciate any thoughts or experiences. ~^^V^^~ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSTECHNICAL HELP NEEDED!
At 04:01 PM 5/28/99 -0400, Marshall wrote: Colloidal Silver, being positively charged will precipitate when exposed to anything acid. Aloe Vera tend to be quite acidic. The simple solution is to add some baking soda to the solution to lower the ph to 7 or below. Use a water testing kit for aquariums or swimming pools to check the ph. The baking soda has no harmful effects on the silver. I would say the other company did not know. We ran tests on this combination for several months before determining exactly what the problem was when mixed with Silver Lightning HVAC colloidal silver. We expect to be selling this combination shortly, and stabilizing it was the major hurdle to overcome. ~~ Hi Marshall, Thanks for replying. Does precipitate mean come out of solution? Is it then no longer a useful thing? (i.e. Is it just ugly or is it either useless or possibly not good for one...)If it hits the stomach it would be in contact with acid, as would any cs. Do they all precipitate in the stomach? What does this mean in practical terms? Your product sounds interesting...will check out your site. ~^^V^^~ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSTECHNICAL HELP NEEDED!
In pratical terms it means that the silver particles aggregate together. Basically you can tell particle size by what what light is absorbs. Ionic silver (atoms) absorb in the uv range and will appear clear when in water. As more atoms bind together, the wavelenth that is absorbed increases so that at around 5 nm or so it will begin absorbing within the visible spectrum, ie. violet. When violet light is absorbed, you see the complement, or in this case yellow. Thus as particle size increases the color of colloidal silver will go from clear to light yellow, to gold, orange, red, and brown. When you have a range of large particles the it will absorb light across the band, and will appear grey or black. Large particles will not stay suspended and will precipite out, that is fall out. This is bad. Thus when you add aloe vera and get the grey, you end up with a small amount of large particles instead of a large amount of small particles. Effectiveness is proportional to the number of particles, so this drops effectiveness considerably. Also if you ingest it, the large particles will not be able to penetrate the stomach and make it into the blood. Keeping the mixture at a ph of 7 or more (sorry I said 7 or less before, that was wrong) and refrigerating the combination should allow it to keep for several months provided that you start with a high quality colloid that is clear, or only faintly yellow and refrigerate it. BTW, many sources of aloe vera have benzoic acid in them, and this tends to make the silver aggrregate and precipitate as well, so try to get pure aloe vera if you can. I hope this helps. Marshall Vilik Rapheles wrote: At 04:01 PM 5/28/99 -0400, Marshall wrote: Colloidal Silver, being positively charged will precipitate when exposed to anything acid. Aloe Vera tend to be quite acidic. The simple solution is to add some baking soda to the solution to lower the ph to 7 or below. Use a water testing kit for aquariums or swimming pools to check the ph. The baking soda has no harmful effects on the silver. I would say the other company did not know. We ran tests on this combination for several months before determining exactly what the problem was when mixed with Silver Lightning HVAC colloidal silver. We expect to be selling this combination shortly, and stabilizing it was the major hurdle to overcome. ~~ Hi Marshall, Thanks for replying. Does precipitate mean come out of solution? Is it then no longer a useful thing? (i.e. Is it just ugly or is it either useless or possibly not good for one...)If it hits the stomach it would be in contact with acid, as would any cs. Do they all precipitate in the stomach? What does this mean in practical terms? Your product sounds interesting...will check out your site. ~^^V^^~ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSTECHNICAL HELP NEEDED!
At 04:46 PM 5/28/99 -0400, you wrote: In pratical terms it means that the silver particles aggregate together. Basically you can tell particle size by what what light is absorbs. Ionic silver (atoms) absorb in the uv range and will appear clear when in water. As more atoms bind together, the wavelenth that is absorbed increases so that at around 5 nm or so it will begin absorbing within the visible spectrum, ie. violet. When violet light is absorbed, you see the complement, or in this case yellow. Thus as particle size increases the color of colloidal silver will go from clear to light yellow, to gold, orange, red, and brown. When you have a range of large particles the it will absorb light across the band, and will appear grey or black. Large particles will not stay suspended and will precipite out, that is fall out. This is bad. Thus when you add aloe vera and get the grey, you end up with a small amount of large particles instead of a large amount of small particles. Effectiveness is proportional to the number of particles, so this drops effectiveness considerably. Also if you ingest it, the large particles will not be able to penetrate the stomach and make it into the blood. Keeping the mixture at a ph of 7 or more (sorry I said 7 or less before, that was wrong) and refrigerating the combination should allow it to keep for several months provided that you start with a high quality colloid that is clear, or only faintly yellow and refrigerate it. BTW, many sources of aloe vera have benzoic acid in them, and this tends to make the silver aggrregate and precipitate as well, so try to get pure aloe vera if you can. I hope this helps. Marshall ~~~ It helps enormously. But I still want to know what happens in the stomach, when CS hits the stomach acid. Does it aggregate? Why would it or wouldn't it? This seems to be an important/essential point. If CS aggregates in the stomach...when it hits stomach acid...then that would really affect the absorption. Thanks! Vilik -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
