Re: CSThe origin of back pain
Luckily I have no back problems, but I recently purchased from Costco their own brand of urethane mattress overlay. It was about 1/5 the price of the famous brand, and seems of similar quality. (The dollar price is about $90 I think.) The first day after using it, I woke up and it seemed that every vertebrate in my back pleasingly cracked when I stood up. Surprised? Yes.I felt very good. My spine is definitely more flexible.I sleep better and my posture is improved. It is worth a try for those who have back problems. On Tuesday, Jan 4, 2005, at 22:48 Asia/Tokyo, Lagoon wrote: my sitting and standing posture is now much enhanced and all back pains are gone. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThe origin of back pain
At 10:52 PM 04/01/05, you wrote: My observations and ideas may be wrong. If anyone has a better explanation, please tell us about it. We could say, The mainstream LIES causes back pain. Wayne Hello Wayne! Wondered about you lately! Here are a couple of food4thoughts: 1. Not only did a little exercise never kill anybody - too little exercise *does* kill everybody! 2. *Most* back pain is related to toxicity. Simple yellow system reaction ( liver, kidneys, gallbladder etc due to diet AND without work) 3. Most back pain is exacerbated by simple fear - or stress as it is called these days. 4. Never met a serious Cancer sufferer that didn't have chronic feet/back pain. (Including me, then) 5. Concrete and tar is a foot killer. We were never meant to walk on utterly flat ground. VERY IMPORTANT FACT. 6. Never meant to wear rigid shoes. In fact, we were never meant to wear shoes! 7. How do we get talked out of being like kids on a beach? Or in a park? Enjoying working the body and feeling alive? Cheers, Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThe origin of back pain
A friend of mine had chronic back pain and eventually had to get a couple of discs fused. He'd be fine, then bend over to pick something up and collapse on the ground and be bed ridden and on pain pills for a week. He went with me one year to plant trees, basically carrying a 30 pound back pack for 5 miles a day, swinging an adze like tool and bending over up to 4,000 times a day 6 1/2 days a week. He had no back problems then or for almost a year afterwards. Being a disc jockey, sitting around, was hell on his back. Myself, it took over 10 years for my back to show any signs of debilitation after no longer planting trees. I did continue to do construction work and cut/split wood by hand though. Now, no longer framing and hauling lumber, I have to do bending spine twisting exercises every day in order to be able to stand at the lathe and turn out parts for more than an hour or two at a time. One day recently I discovered that I had knee pain when climbing ladders. My knees had never hurt before! Doing 20 deep knee bends twice a day cured that. It took a week of trying before I could do one. Good muscles will do a lot to compensate for bad bones. ode At 06:43 AM 1/4/2005 -5, you wrote: I'm wondering if anyone knows a good, effective way to get to the root of back pain. I am constantly straining my aching back, and am wondering if there's a reason why some people have a tendency for it while others do not. And for that matter...is there a good cure? ~Nathan Excellent questions, Nathan. One way I reduced my back problems was to use a chiropractor. I'll leave it to you to research how to find a good one. I was lucky enough to have decent luck with the first guy I went to. I hobbled into their office barely able to stand up, with my back locked and causing a lot of pain. After some testing and a round of x-rays he gave me an adjustment. I walked out of there a little bit sore from the unaccustomed manipulation of my neck and spine, but standing straight, able to move freely, and without the debilitating pain I'd suffered for days. I had regular visits for 2 or 3 years and had few if any problems. Later, I learned from reading on the web that diligent use of stretching and twisting exercises can, if done properly, yield most or all the benefits of the chiropractic adjustments. I have since managed to avoid serious back problems with irregular though frequent short sessions of exercises to twist and stretch my spine. I could be more diligent, but have gotten by without chiropractic for the last several years. If cost is an issue, investigate this option. If not, chiro is likely a bit more comprehensive. Hope that helps. Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 12/30/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 12/30/2004
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I think I may stay in Vietnam and try the traditional medicine they have here. Rumor has it they are better in curing chronic disease than China or Korea. I lived in Korea for a year and my health condition worsened. But I have heard of people with arthritis and chronic back pain cured by the Vietnamese hospitals here. ~Nathan Christine Carleton essential-liv...@telus.net wrote: Judy and Nathan, My experience: L45 out 5/8, continuous central nerve pain damage which looked like could not stand still, sit still, or rest. Calcification and osteoporosis throughout lower spine. Also a broken clavicle from the assault (Jan 31.2001) that healed in standard time, but exasperated the situation for 3 months. Previous bulging C2-3-4 which surgeon said surgery within the week - I didn't listen to him. Could not walk more than a block. Weight bearing - credit card and key were heavy to carry. 'Miserable' --- too generous a word. After 1 yr. 3 months, my other body systems were exhausted too. Doc said it was too much weight - I said 'Explain why until the minute of the assault, my back had never hurt, at any time, for any reason?' He said the injury was permanent and I was poor a surgical risk. Chiro said she had seen one person recover partially in all her years with similar challenge. Physio made it worse. Not the same as yours but similar. Fast forward Jan 4, 2005. Range of motion in stride has gone from 12 inches to 3 feet. Forward bend - can touch floor - with palms flat. Pain level .5/10 only when I overdo it, otherwise miniscule pain .01 or .02/10 - probably because I look inside at a cellular level and watch it continue to heal. Weight bearing - can lift 2 cube moving boxes. Twisting - good by some measures - cannot do a decent yoga twist yet. Overall twist - excellent by dr. standards and age, but then how many can do a decent twist that have not had a back injury - few, very few! Walking about 1 mile every other day at a faster than average speed. What did I do? Sessions with a talented BodyTalk practitioner. Now I'm one. Had my abdominal breathing restarted - it had been frozen off 40 yrs before with paralytic polio. Breathing improved circulation. In 6 mo. I certified in the BT process and pain level was about 30% (Sept 2002). What do I know? It took connections to the organs, endocrine, body parts including the brain, meridians, Vivaxis, Wei Qi, circulation, central nervous system, energies (including thought forms from others), Chinese five elements, clocks, family genetics, etc. Also restarted deep sleep. A bit too much to explain here. Water is very important, however if the cells are not hydrating, it's all but useless. So tweaking the hydration be it in specific organs, endocrine, whatever is critical. And a bit of sea salt daily on the tongue. A lot of my systems were beyond functioning appropriately with water, and had to be addressed. THE BODY KNOWS HOW TO HEAL. Are you prepared to do the work? Go natural. The key is to LISTEN TO IT --- in the sequence it wants the healing done, not what your mind/ego/ or person in power (dr. etc.) tells you to do. Listen within or contact someone who knows how to deal with these issues. I used no meds. At a molecular level the body's DNA spins clockwise, phamaseuticals spin counter clockwise. In my experience they add undue stress. I avoided even baby aspirin. Repeating strains, accidents, patterns? From what I've seen, it's in the mind too. Pain is about consciousness. We are multi-dimensional beings with emotional grids, mental grids, and spiritual grids that are impacted or carry distorted information. These need to be addressed also. Einstein said there is no time or distance. BodyTalk can be done one to one, or via distance. It's effective. If you want to know more, contact me. Warmly with eHugs, Christine Christine Carleton, C.B.P. Certified BodyTalk? Practitioner, International BodyTalk System Association http://www.bodytalksystem.com http://www.mybodytalk.com (under construction, up by mid Jan) [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] - Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone.
Re: CSThe origin of back pain
They don't have chiros where I live. I am in Vietnam. I used to have a good chiropractor and masseuse in Canada. But they never cured the problem...just treated it (albeit very well). I think that traditional Asian medicine might have a cure... ~Nathan M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: I'm wondering if anyone knows a good, effective way to get to the root of back pain. I am constantly straining my aching back, and am wondering if there's a reason why some people have a tendency for it while others do not. And for that matter...is there a good cure? ~Nathan Excellent questions, Nathan. One way I reduced my back problems was to use a chiropractor. I'll leave it to you to research how to find a good one. I was lucky enough to have decent luck with the first guy I went to. I hobbled into their office barely able to stand up, with my back locked and causing a lot of pain. After some testing and a round of x-rays he gave me an adjustment. I walked out of there a little bit sore from the unaccustomed manipulation of my neck and spine, but standing straight, able to move freely, and without the debilitating pain I'd suffered for days. I had regular visits for 2 or 3 years and had few if any problems. Later, I learned from reading on the web that diligent use of stretching and twisting exercises can, if done properly, yield most or all the benefits of the chiropractic adjustments. I have since managed to avoid serious back problems with irregular though frequent short sessions of exercises to twist and stretch my spine. I could be more diligent, but have gotten by without chiropractic for the last several years. If cost is an issue, investigate this option. If not, chiro is likely a bit more comprehensive. Hope that helps. Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more.
RE: CSThe origin of back pain
Daddybob, What is your opinion about using distilled water? It doesn't have all the minerals, but maybe that is a good thing? ~Nathan Judydownmaine apea...@adelphia.net wrote: __ The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. - Joseph Stalin -Original Message- From: ransley [mailto:rans...@atmc.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:16 AM To: The Silverlist; Nathan Filyk Subject: RE: CSThe origin of back pain Nathan- I have been diagnosed by a Neurosurgeon using MRI Myelogram to have 3 ruptured disks (L4-5, C3-4, C4-5) near critical cervical stenosis, lumbar stenosis, Ankylosing Spondylitis and Degenerative Disk Disease; plus, below the L5 vertebra, the Doc said that Everything below there is pretty rotten. You know the sick feeling you get when a mechanic looks under your hood and lets out a long whistle? I've been whistled at by a Neurosurgeon. I can't remember how many days I've spent flat on my back with my wife attending to every need. I don't even want to remember. Neither does she. I've spent thousands on Chiropractors and everyone of them did something good for me, but at last I learned how to duplicate everything they did for me and no longer need to go to them. Besides, no DC in his right mind would touch my neck. After my last DC learned of the full extent of my injuries, he was shaken that he had ever adjusted my neck. That's the only criticism I have of them- they rely on mostly x-rays or trained judgement, when they need better diagnostic tools. To be fair, that's not all their fault, as the mainstream MD's control the access to those tools. That was just to say that I'm more than a little familiar with back pain. The number one treatment is WATER!!! (non-chlorinated, non-flouridated) It will help to swell your disks back to proper shape and size so your muscles aren't straining to hold your bent back in line. But water alone may not be enough. The number two treatment is Amino Acids and protein. It will strengthen your muscles and ligaments so they can do the job. You can get relief in this area by eating more meat, but it's not enough. Many body-building amino acid supplements will help; the best I've ever found is Whey Protein. It won't help enough if you don't drink enough water. Number three is in making sure you get enough raw trace elements. There are ways of getting them in concentrated form, and this delves into a subject most have never heard of, so I will keep it off list. If you're not too bad off, you may get enough from taking Laminaria Digitata Kelp. If that's not enough there are other things to take. It won't help enough if you don't get enough water. As you can see, I can't say enough about water. Eliminate all soft drinks with aspertame, phosporic acid and caffeine. Limit your intake of coffee, tea and alcohol. I need to get 2 quarts of water a day to maintain my back. Sometimes less, but that's an average. Every time I fall off the water wagon I suffer. A Crock Device helped me with back pain. I may not elude surgery all my life. I'm far too far gone for the common surgeries of today, and I've found more than enough relief for now, so I'm biding time and making good use of it. If you have a protruding disk that has not ruptured, you can avoid surgery. If it's fairly newly ruptured and can be saved by surgery, I would do that before it becomes stenosis. I'm way too gone for all that. My diagnosis is for 3 diskectomies. I won't do that until it's the only option. There are better alternatives on the medical horizon. Diskectomy is a highly personal choice, and it's a very tough procedure. I have one friend who is a paraplegic from back surgery. One friend is dead from same, and his demise was slow and painful; his family suffered much. Another friend had surgery then had to have another to stop the complications of the first. My mother, father and brother have all had back surgeries with different levels of success and complications. I've seen enough. Drink water. Daddybob - Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! What will yours do?
Re: CSThe origin of back pain
Wayne, with me, and i had back pain for many many years (blamed it on a car accident when young) the key to my back pain was simple muscle training on both the back and stomach muscles, done every day for over two years. takes only 15 minutes every morning. my sitting and standing posture is now much enhanced and all back pains are gone. i do a lot of things better now, including a smoothie with lots of CS in it every day, among many other nutrients. oh, losing 25 pounds helps a lot too. now in my sixties, and wishing i had smartened up long ago lagoon - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt cwfug...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 8:52 AM Subject: Re: CSThe origin of back pain Good Morning, The pain, the cause, and the cure, seems to have escaped the complete medical profession, and maybe even most alternative doctors. I'm wondering if anyone knows a good, effective way to get to the root of back pain. I have a number of friends and relatives, age ranges from 40, 50, 60, and older. Many of these people, I have known their whole life, others only 15 to 25 years. I have observed their lifestyle, eating habits, and scratched my head relative to why they have back pains. Finally it became crystal clear. Every one of them share one thing in common. Not one of them has every worked a day in their life, in the Sun, with their shirt off. Some have worked in the sun off and on, yet they did not have the mind set and knowledge to remove their shirt. As a teen ager, I lived in the sun from daylight until dark. I wore only a pair of shorts. I even wore these to town and to the pool hall. In later years, I never miss a chance to remove my shirt and get some sunlight. Often at my shooting range, with temperatures in the 60's and 50's I remove my shirt for as long as I can stand the low temperatues. At age 66, I have no aches, no pains, no joint problems, and lift anything as heave as I can, including one end of long cross ties. Honestly, I have forgotten what pain and what headaches even feel like. My observations and ideas may be wrong. If anyone has a better explanation, please tell us about it. We could say, The mainstream LIES causes back pain. Wayne -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 12/30/04 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 12/30/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 12/30/2004
RE: CSThe origin of back pain
Hi Wayne, Sunlight produces vitamin D for the body as I'm sure you know. From what I understand, Direct sunlight ( not looking right at the sun mind you ) into the eyes for 20 min. is all that is required daily to receive the adequate amount to keep one sane. (Grin) There are studies readily out there explaining the effects of vit D on mental chemistry. I can't speak for how this may effect, if any, whether there is a relationship to back pain. From a physiological/anatomical point of view; there is clearly an imbalance in the musculoskeletal area of the body, involving mainly the muscles. Sedentary lifestyles and job related tasks contribute to back trouble. Most people I have encountered have weak abdominal muscles which makes the back muscles,( although extremely resilient and strong ) work overtime causing fatigue. This is where the imbalance occurs. Now I'm not saying go out and do all sorts of abdominal exercises and forget about the back, because u might just do the opposite to the situation. The body works synergistically and needs both the back and abs to work in unison to strengthen. Pilates, yoga are ideal ways to promote good postural alignment and correct any imbalance in this area of the body. If we are referring to an everyday Joe who just works and does stuff and has happened to acquire back trouble over the years. Sometimes we might not even be aware that we've pinched nerves along the cervical, thoracic, lumbar regions of the back also contributing to back aches and problems. They can be quite debilitating. Your experience and observations are interesting indeed. But there was a time I didn't where a shirt tanning as such and honestly didn't change anything with my back problems. The only thing I could think of is the warm of the sun may sooth the problem area. The exercise wouldn't hurt either. Thanks for your imput. Kindest regards Ernie -Original Message- From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:cwfug...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 7:52 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSThe origin of back pain Good Morning, The pain, the cause, and the cure, seems to have escaped the complete medical profession, and maybe even most alternative doctors. I'm wondering if anyone knows a good, effective way to get to the root of back pain. I have a number of friends and relatives, age ranges from 40, 50, 60, and older. Many of these people, I have known their whole life, others only 15 to 25 years. I have observed their lifestyle, eating habits, and scratched my head relative to why they have back pains. Finally it became crystal clear. Every one of them share one thing in common. Not one of them has every worked a day in their life, in the Sun, with their shirt off. Some have worked in the sun off and on, yet they did not have the mind set and knowledge to remove their shirt. As a teen ager, I lived in the sun from daylight until dark. I wore only a pair of shorts. I even wore these to town and to the pool hall. In later years, I never miss a chance to remove my shirt and get some sunlight. Often at my shooting range, with temperatures in the 60's and 50's I remove my shirt for as long as I can stand the low temperatues. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Nathan- I have been diagnosed by a Neurosurgeon using MRI Myelogram to have 3 ruptured disks (L4-5, C3-4, C4-5) near critical cervical stenosis, lumbar stenosis, Ankylosing Spondylitis and Degenerative Disk Disease; plus, below the L5 vertebra, the Doc said that Everything below there is pretty rotten. You know the sick feeling you get when a mechanic looks under your hood and lets out a long whistle? I've been whistled at by a Neurosurgeon. I can't remember how many days I've spent flat on my back with my wife attending to every need. I don't even want to remember. Neither does she. I've spent thousands on Chiropractors and everyone of them did something good for me, but at last I learned how to duplicate everything they did for me and no longer need to go to them. Besides, no DC in his right mind would touch my neck. After my last DC learned of the full extent of my injuries, he was shaken that he had ever adjusted my neck. That's the only criticism I have of them- they rely on mostly x-rays or trained judgement, when they need better diagnostic tools. To be fair, that's not all their fault, as the mainstream MD's control the access to those tools. That was just to say that I'm more than a little familiar with back pain. The number one treatment is WATER!!! (non-chlorinated, non-flouridated) It will help to swell your disks back to proper shape and size so your muscles aren't straining to hold your bent back in line. But water alone may not be enough. The number two treatment is Amino Acids and protein. It will strengthen your muscles and ligaments so they can do the job. You can get relief in this area by eating more meat, but it's not enough. Many body-building amino acid supplements will help; the best I've ever found is Whey Protein. It won't help enough if you don't drink enough water. Number three is in making sure you get enough raw trace elements. There are ways of getting them in concentrated form, and this delves into a subject most have never heard of, so I will keep it off list. If you're not too bad off, you may get enough from taking Laminaria Digitata Kelp. If that's not enough there are other things to take. It won't help enough if you don't get enough water. As you can see, I can't say enough about water. Eliminate all soft drinks with aspertame, phosporic acid and caffeine. Limit your intake of coffee, tea and alcohol. I need to get 2 quarts of water a day to maintain my back. Sometimes less, but that's an average. Every time I fall off the water wagon I suffer. A Crock Device helped me with back pain. I may not elude surgery all my life. I'm far too far gone for the common surgeries of today, and I've found more than enough relief for now, so I'm biding time and making good use of it. If you have a protruding disk that has not ruptured, you can avoid surgery. If it's fairly newly ruptured and can be saved by surgery, I would do that before it becomes stenosis. I'm way too gone for all that. My diagnosis is for 3 diskectomies. I won't do that until it's the only option. There are better alternatives on the medical horizon. Diskectomy is a highly personal choice, and it's a very tough procedure. I have one friend who is a paraplegic from back surgery. One friend is dead from same, and his demise was slow and painful; his family suffered much. Another friend had surgery then had to have another to stop the complications of the first. My mother, father and brother have all had back surgeries with different levels of success and complications. I've seen enough. Drink water. Daddybob
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- Original Message - From: Yogiboy epa...@sympatico.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:10 AM Subject: RE: CSThe origin of back pain Hi Wayne, Sunlight produces vitamin D for the body as I'm sure you know. From what I understand, Direct sunlight ( not looking right at the sun mind you ) into the eyes for 20 min. is all that is required daily to receive the adequate amount to keep one sane. (Grin) There are studies readily out there explaining the effects of vit D on mental chemistry. Alas, I wish it were true that 20 minutes is all you need! Due to changes in the elliptic as we go further north or south from the equator, the greater the distance from the equator the more outdoor time is necessary in order for the skin to process enough vitamin D on the skin. There is an entire excerpt called Light from The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing on my website. It makes many points and dismantles quite a number of myths and misconceptions about vitamin D, with interesting little tidbits included such as vitamin D might really be regarded as a hormone. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing, original edition, is now back in print! Also read...The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy http://www.nenahsylver.com Holistic health products, supplements and services -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSThe origin of back pain
__ The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. - Joseph Stalin -Original Message- From: ransley [mailto:rans...@atmc.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:16 AM To: The Silverlist; Nathan Filyk Subject: RE: CSThe origin of back pain Nathan- I have been diagnosed by a Neurosurgeon using MRI Myelogram to have 3 ruptured disks (L4-5, C3-4, C4-5) near critical cervical stenosis, lumbar stenosis, Ankylosing Spondylitis and Degenerative Disk Disease; plus, below the L5 vertebra, the Doc said that Everything below there is pretty rotten. You know the sick feeling you get when a mechanic looks under your hood and lets out a long whistle? I've been whistled at by a Neurosurgeon. I can't remember how many days I've spent flat on my back with my wife attending to every need. I don't even want to remember. Neither does she. I've spent thousands on Chiropractors and everyone of them did something good for me, but at last I learned how to duplicate everything they did for me and no longer need to go to them. Besides, no DC in his right mind would touch my neck. After my last DC learned of the full extent of my injuries, he was shaken that he had ever adjusted my neck. That's the only criticism I have of them- they rely on mostly x-rays or trained judgement, when they need better diagnostic tools. To be fair, that's not all their fault, as the mainstream MD's control the access to those tools. That was just to say that I'm more than a little familiar with back pain. The number one treatment is WATER!!! (non-chlorinated, non-flouridated) It will help to swell your disks back to proper shape and size so your muscles aren't straining to hold your bent back in line. But water alone may not be enough. The number two treatment is Amino Acids and protein. It will strengthen your muscles and ligaments so they can do the job. You can get relief in this area by eating more meat, but it's not enough. Many body-building amino acid supplements will help; the best I've ever found is Whey Protein. It won't help enough if you don't drink enough water. Number three is in making sure you get enough raw trace elements. There are ways of getting them in concentrated form, and this delves into a subject most have never heard of, so I will keep it off list. If you're not too bad off, you may get enough from taking Laminaria Digitata Kelp. If that's not enough there are other things to take. It won't help enough if you don't get enough water. As you can see, I can't say enough about water. Eliminate all soft drinks with aspertame, phosporic acid and caffeine. Limit your intake of coffee, tea and alcohol. I need to get 2 quarts of water a day to maintain my back. Sometimes less, but that's an average. Every time I fall off the water wagon I suffer. A Crock Device helped me with back pain. I may not elude surgery all my life. I'm far too far gone for the common surgeries of today, and I've found more than enough relief for now, so I'm biding time and making good use of it. If you have a protruding disk that has not ruptured, you can avoid surgery. If it's fairly newly ruptured and can be saved by surgery, I would do that before it becomes stenosis. I'm way too gone for all that. My diagnosis is for 3 diskectomies. I won't do that until it's the only option. There are better alternatives on the medical horizon. Diskectomy is a highly personal choice, and it's a very tough procedure. I have one friend who is a paraplegic from back surgery. One friend is dead from same, and his demise was slow and painful; his family suffered much. Another friend had surgery then had to have another to stop the complications of the first. My mother, father and brother have all had back surgeries with different levels of success and complications. I've seen enough. Drink water. Daddybob
RE: CSThe origin of back pain
__ The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. - Joseph Stalin -Original Message- From: ransley [mailto:rans...@atmc.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:16 AM To: The Silverlist; Nathan Filyk Subject: RE: CSThe origin of back pain Nathan- I have been diagnosed by a Neurosurgeon using MRI Myelogram to have 3 ruptured disks (L4-5, C3-4, C4-5) near critical cervical stenosis, lumbar stenosis, Ankylosing Spondylitis and Degenerative Disk Disease; plus, below the L5 vertebra, the Doc said that Everything below there is pretty rotten. You know the sick feeling you get when a mechanic looks under your hood and lets out a long whistle? I've been whistled at by a Neurosurgeon. I can't remember how many days I've spent flat on my back with my wife attending to every need. I don't even want to remember. Neither does she. I've spent thousands on Chiropractors and everyone of them did something good for me, but at last I learned how to duplicate everything they did for me and no longer need to go to them. Besides, no DC in his right mind would touch my neck. After my last DC learned of the full extent of my injuries, he was shaken that he had ever adjusted my neck. That's the only criticism I have of them- they rely on mostly x-rays or trained judgement, when they need better diagnostic tools. To be fair, that's not all their fault, as the mainstream MD's control the access to those tools. That was just to say that I'm more than a little familiar with back pain. The number one treatment is WATER!!! (non-chlorinated, non-flouridated) It will help to swell your disks back to proper shape and size so your muscles aren't straining to hold your bent back in line. But water alone may not be enough. The number two treatment is Amino Acids and protein. It will strengthen your muscles and ligaments so they can do the job. You can get relief in this area by eating more meat, but it's not enough. Many body-building amino acid supplements will help; the best I've ever found is Whey Protein. It won't help enough if you don't drink enough water. Number three is in making sure you get enough raw trace elements. There are ways of getting them in concentrated form, and this delves into a subject most have never heard of, so I will keep it off list. If you're not too bad off, you may get enough from taking Laminaria Digitata Kelp. If that's not enough there are other things to take. It won't help enough if you don't get enough water. As you can see, I can't say enough about water. Eliminate all soft drinks with aspertame, phosporic acid and caffeine. Limit your intake of coffee, tea and alcohol. I need to get 2 quarts of water a day to maintain my back. Sometimes less, but that's an average. Every time I fall off the water wagon I suffer. A Crock Device helped me with back pain. I may not elude surgery all my life. I'm far too far gone for the common surgeries of today, and I've found more than enough relief for now, so I'm biding time and making good use of it. If you have a protruding disk that has not ruptured, you can avoid surgery. If it's fairly newly ruptured and can be saved by surgery, I would do that before it becomes stenosis. I'm way too gone for all that. My diagnosis is for 3 diskectomies. I won't do that until it's the only option. There are better alternatives on the medical horizon. Diskectomy is a highly personal choice, and it's a very tough procedure. I have one friend who is a paraplegic from back surgery. One friend is dead from same, and his demise was slow and painful; his family suffered much. Another friend had surgery then had to have another to stop the complications of the first. My mother, father and brother have all had back surgeries with different levels of success and complications. I've seen enough. Drink water. Daddybob
RE: CSThe origin of back pain -- kelp a help
Thank you, Daddybob I agree wholeheartedly with your estimation of water (1/2 your weight divided by 8 equals the number of glasses to drink per day, I've been told) Can you direct us to a reasonably-priced kelp seller? My quick research finds prices all over the place. Judy Down Maine Number three is in making sure you get enough raw trace elements. There are ways of getting them in concentrated form, and this delves into a subject most have never heard of, so I will keep it off list. If you're not too bad off, you may get enough from taking Laminaria Digitata Kelp. If that's not enough there are other things to take. It won't help enough if you don't get enough water. Daddybob
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I do reflexology, I have noticed people of all ages with back and neck pain. To me a majority of the pain is coming from the feet, arches that is, If one follows both arches up the body you will see this could be the problem. I have sent people to the docs and have sent them to the foot stores but they were still having pain when I realized that the docs were only making arch supports for the arch as it is NOW not as it WAS Very important. What I tell people now is to get socks all kinds kids, thin adult etc. and try different combinations until you feel relief. What happens is the arches go that makes the knees knock and thus it throws the back out, twisted in a way which in turns throws the neck out. Unless you have had a accident, this is usually the cause. Test yourself look in a mirror and see if the above is true or look at your feet and observe have they fallen?? -- Original message from M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com: -- I'm wondering if anyone knows a good, effective way to get to the root of back pain. I am constantly straining my aching back, and am wondering if there's a reason why some people have a tendency for it while others do not. And for that matter...is there a good cure? ~Nathan Excellent questions, Nathan. One way I reduced my back problems was to use a chiropractor. I'll leave it to you to research how to find a good one. I was lucky enough to have decent luck with the first guy I went to. I hobbled into their office barely able to stand up, with my back locked and causing a lot of pain. After some testing and a round of x-rays he gave me an adjustment. I walked out of there a little bit sore from the unaccustomed manipulation of my neck and spine, but standing straight, able to move freely, and without the debilitating pain I'd suffered for days. I had regular visits for 2 or 3 years and had few if any problems. Later, I learned from reading on the web that diligent use of stretching and twisting exercises can, if done properly, yield most or all the benefits of the chiropractic adjustments. I have since managed to avoid serious back problems with irregular though frequent short sessions of exercises to twist and stretch my spine. I could be more diligent, but have gotten by without chiropractic for the last several years. If cost is an issue, investigate this option. If not, chiro is likely a bit more comprehensive. Hope that helps. Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Hi Mike: Great suggestion. Also, Nathan, you may want to check out the following: www.backmagic.com The pelvic support offered? I can see how it would work with normal back problems; it has done little to alleviate my situation. However, if you order the full package ( which is not that expensive ), it also comes with an excercise book backed by alot of research. The excercises are non-evasive, developed exclusively for those with back injuries, and are designed to restore full strength to the lower back. Key elements involve stress factors ( both mental and physical ), muscle habits, acid/basic balance in the body, and metabolic considerations ( i.e. diet by body type ectomorph, endomorph or mesomorph ). Correct stretching excercises can go a long way to preventing injury. As the saying goes If I knew then what I know now Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 3:43 AM Subject: Re: CSThe origin of back pain I'm wondering if anyone knows a good, effective way to get to the root of back pain. I am constantly straining my aching back, and am wondering if there's a reason why some people have a tendency for it while others do not. And for that matter...is there a good cure? ~Nathan Excellent questions, Nathan. One way I reduced my back problems was to use a chiropractor. I'll leave it to you to research how to find a good one. I was lucky enough to have decent luck with the first guy I went to. I hobbled into their office barely able to stand up, with my back locked and causing a lot of pain. After some testing and a round of x-rays he gave me an adjustment. I walked out of there a little bit sore from the unaccustomed manipulation of my neck and spine, but standing straight, able to move freely, and without the debilitating pain I'd suffered for days. I had regular visits for 2 or 3 years and had few if any problems. Later, I learned from reading on the web that diligent use of stretching and twisting exercises can, if done properly, yield most or all the benefits of the chiropractic adjustments. I have since managed to avoid serious back problems with irregular though frequent short sessions of exercises to twist and stretch my spine. I could be more diligent, but have gotten by without chiropractic for the last several years. If cost is an issue, investigate this option. If not, chiro is likely a bit more comprehensive. Hope that helps. Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 12/30/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 12/30/2004
Re: CSThe origin of back pain
Thats twice you have sent the same message, with NO NEW INFORMATION! Please check your computer for sticking keys. Regards, Al - Original Message - From: Judydownmaine To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:07 AM Subject: RE: CSThe origin of back pain __ The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. - Joseph Stalin -Original Message- From: ransley [mailto:rans...@atmc.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:16 AM To: The Silverlist; Nathan Filyk Subject: RE: CSThe origin of back pain Nathan- I have been diagnosed by a Neurosurgeon using MRI Myelogram to have 3 ruptured disks (L4-5, C3-4, C4-5) near critical cervical stenosis, lumbar stenosis, Ankylosing Spondylitis and Degenerative Disk Disease; plus, below the L5 vertebra, the Doc said that Everything below there is pretty rotten. You know the sick feeling you get when a mechanic looks under your hood and lets out a long whistle? I've been whistled at by a Neurosurgeon. I can't remember how many days I've spent flat on my back with my wife attending to every need. I don't even want to remember. Neither does she. I've spent thousands on Chiropractors and everyone of them did something good for me, but at last I learned how to duplicate everything they did for me and no longer need to go to them. Besides, no DC in his right mind would touch my neck. After my last DC learned of the full extent of my injuries, he was shaken that he had ever adjusted my neck. That's the only criticism I have of them- they rely on mostly x-rays or trained judgement, when they need better diagnostic tools. To be fair, that's not all their fault, as the mainstream MD's control the access to those tools. That was just to say that I'm more than a little familiar with back pain. The number one treatment is WATER!!! (non-chlorinated, non-flouridated) It will help to swell your disks back to proper shape and size so your muscles aren't straining to hold your bent back in line. But water alone may not be enough. The number two treatment is Amino Acids and protein. It will strengthen your muscles and ligaments so they can do the job. You can get relief in this area by eating more meat, but it's not enough. Many body-building amino acid supplements will help; the best I've ever found is Whey Protein. It won't help enough if you don't drink enough water. Number three is in making sure you get enough raw trace elements. There are ways of getting them in concentrated form, and this delves into a subject most have never heard of, so I will keep it off list. If you're not too bad off, you may get enough from taking Laminaria Digitata Kelp. If that's not enough there are other things to take. It won't help enough if you don't get enough water. As you can see, I can't say enough about water. Eliminate all soft drinks with aspertame, phosporic acid and caffeine. Limit your intake of coffee, tea and alcohol. I need to get 2 quarts of water a day to maintain my back. Sometimes less, but that's an average. Every time I fall off the water wagon I suffer. A Crock Device helped me with back pain. I may not elude surgery all my life. I'm far too far gone for the common surgeries of today, and I've found more than enough relief for now, so I'm biding time and making good use of it. If you have a protruding disk that has not ruptured, you can avoid surgery. If it's fairly newly ruptured and can be saved by surgery, I would do that before it becomes stenosis. I'm way too gone for all that. My diagnosis is for 3 diskectomies. I won't do that until it's the only option. There are better alternatives on the medical horizon. Diskectomy is a highly personal choice, and it's a very tough procedure. I have one friend who is a paraplegic from back surgery. One friend is dead from same, and his demise was slow and painful; his family suffered much. Another friend had surgery then had to have another to stop the complications of the first. My mother, father and brother have all had back surgeries with different levels of success and complications. I've seen enough. Drink water. Daddybob
Re: CSThe origin of back pain
Morning Nenah, It makes many points and dismantles quite a number of myths and misconceptions about vitamin D, with interesting little tidbits included such as vitamin D might really be regarded as a hormone. I have thought for some time that D was in fact a hormone and that it was misnamed. It was discovered / isolated long ago and the scientists did not fully understand what they had found. Think about the repercussions of misnaming a hormone to a vitamin. A disaster for sure. If this happened once, why do we not think it may have happened again? Millions of people take a near worthless supplement thinking they have Vitamin D. I would be interested in what you think to be the most authoritative source of information on Vitamin D. Would it be the book by Krispin Southerland, Naked at Noon? Wayne -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 12/30/04 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThe origin of back pain
- Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt cwfug...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:18 AM Subject: Re: CSThe origin of back pain Morning Nenah, I have thought for some time that D was in fact a hormone and that it was misnamed. It was discovered / isolated long ago and the scientists did not fully understand what they had found. Think about the repercussions of misnaming a hormone to a vitamin. A disaster for sure. If this happened once, why do we not think it may have happened again? Millions of people take a near worthless supplement thinking they have Vitamin D. I would be interested in what you think to be the most authoritative source of information on Vitamin D. Would it be the book by Krispin Southerland, Naked at Noon? Wayne Hello Wayne. I do in fact quote Krispin Sullivan (I think that's her last name), who is associated with the Weston A. Price Foundation. She has done a lot to combat myths about vitamin D. Best, Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThe origin of back pain
I have chronic back pain. For many years (15 or more?) I have seen a chiropractor on a regular basis -- twice a month -- for maintenance and more frequently, if necessary. Several months ago, I started taking yoga classes -- once a week. I can tell you that this has made an enormous difference, both in my comfort on a daily basis and in my ability to do *normal* workloads without stressing my back. I'm sure the chiropractor could do as good a job if I went to him once a week, by the yoga classes cost me one-fifth what my chiropractor charges -- and my chiropractor is way cheaper than most. So, for me, the yoga classes have been an excellent investment in time and money. Last night, during my yoga class, I heard my vertabrae *pop* several times as they realigned themselves. When that happens in the chiropractor's office, he is VERY pleased and says *ah-HAH*!!! So, last night when I heard them pop, I said a silent *ah-hah* to myself!! And today my back feels WONDERFUL!!! I'm recovering from doing myself in shoveling snow two weeks ago, without requiring extra trips to the chiropractor! MA
RE: CSThe origin of back pain -- kelp a help
Judy Wrote: I agree wholeheartedly with your estimation of water (1/2 your weight divided by 8 equals the number of glasses to drink per day, I've been told) Can you direct us to a reasonably-priced kelp seller? My quick research finds prices all over the place. I use GRANULATED (not powdered) L.D. Kelp from Frontier Co-op. There are other resellers of their products, who offer them at seemingly cheaper prices, but they sock it to you on shipping. Frontier's small qunatity prices are higher, but their shipping is lower, so I saved $$ by buying directly from them . I have reason to *believe* that their kelp contains the mysterious life-enriching substances to which I previously alluded. Can't prove a thing. BTW, I'm convinced (can't prove) that Degenerative Disk Disease can be beaten with the Beck Protocol - which includes CS - plus iodine (Lugol's) and Bragg's Vinegar. Undoing the damage that it wrought is another matter, but I have regained 7/8 of previously lost height inside of the last two years. The secret to that lays mostly with those mysterious substances, but some may be attributable to my sleeping on a Crock Device. Can't prove it. Jim Meissner, who is on this group, has the Yahoo Energy Pulser group. Some wondrous things seem to be happening over there, and I am following them very closely. There may be some promise for me and others in his endeavors. DB
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I use a Sota MGP5 magpulser for back pain relief of the muscular type, works amazingly well, relaxes and rejuvenates muscles. Pinched nerves only get relief for me by a chiropractic type of adjustment which I can often do just by twisting left or right. In some cases my wife can manipulate my back for relief. Sometimes if you can't get the vertebrae back in alignment your self a chiropractor is the only option which I had to do once for a pinched nerve in my neck. I don't believe in back surgery AT ALL. Too many friends have been permanently damaged for life from back surgeries, none reported any positive benefit from back surgery. I like what I've read so far with yoga, water intake, kelp etc. I also find DMSO an excellent pain reliever, penetrates deep into muscle tissue. It is often used on champion racehorses for pulls and strains. DSMO helped my wife get through the pain of a nasty car accident a couple of months ago. Good stuff. Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSThe origin of back pain
Steve I have heard quite a lot about DMSO, would you be able to elaborate on it for me. What it's uses are and how it works..Thanks a bunch. If its not to much trouble.. :=) Ernie -Original Message- From: scl...@netzero.com [mailto:scl...@netzero.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 2:35 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSThe origin of back pain I use a Sota MGP5 magpulser for back pain relief of the muscular type, works amazingly well, relaxes and rejuvenates muscles. Pinched nerves only get relief for me by a chiropractic type of adjustment which I can often do just by twisting left or right. In some cases my wife can manipulate my back for relief. Sometimes if you can't get the vertebrae back in alignment your self a chiropractor is the only option which I had to do once for a pinched nerve in my neck. I don't believe in back surgery AT ALL. Too many friends have been permanently damaged for life from back surgeries, none reported any positive benefit from back surgery. I like what I've read so far with yoga, water intake, kelp etc. I also find DMSO an excellent pain reliever, penetrates deep into muscle tissue. It is often used on champion racehorses for pulls and strains. DSMO helped my wife get through the pain of a nasty car accident a couple of months ago. Good stuff. Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSThe origin of back pain
You can get DMSO here http://herbalremedies.com/dmso.html and many other places. I find 50-70% is well tolerated by most people. I mix homemade CS with mine. You can also buy it diluted with distilled water or aloe-vera which is very good. They make it as an easy to apply roll-on as well. My wife used it several times per day to ease the pain from the car accident. We use DMSO 5-10% orally for tooth aches. I have used 50%DSMO/CS with a nebulizer for lung infections/bronchitis and it has always nipped them in the bud from becoming full blown bronchial/pneumonia which I would get every year until I started with DSMO/CS. You will learn more from the website. Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThe origin of back pain
I remember being laid up on quite a few occasions in my younger days with very painful back problems. These problems were finally solved for me about twenty years ago when I bought a book by a Robin McKenzie titled Treat Your Own Back ISBN 0-9597746-6-1 The book details simple exercises that only take a few minutes and then goes on to tell how to take care of your back to avoid future problems. Some years later my wife started to complain of a sore neck and headaches so I purchased for her Robin's other book titled Treat Your Own Neck ISBN 0-473-00209-4. My wife now spends many hours a day at her computer so whenever a sore neck puts in an appearance she follows a couple of simple exercises from the book and all is well. Not sure what the prices of these books would be now but remember at the time of purchase they only cost a few dollars. -- Cheers, Roger http://lbarker.orcon.net.nz/index1.html on 4/1/2005 8:43 PM, Nathan Filyk at nathan_overs...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm wondering if anyone knows a good, effective way to get to the root of back pain. I am constantly straining my aching back, and am wondering if there's a reason why some people have a tendency for it while others do not. And for that matter...is there a good cure? ~Nathan
Re: CSThe origin of back pain
Judy and Nathan, My experience: L45 out 5/8, continuous central nerve pain damage which looked like could not stand still, sit still, or rest. Calcification and osteoporosis throughout lower spine. Also a broken clavicle from the assault (Jan 31.2001) that healed in standard time, but exasperated the situation for 3 months. Previous bulging C2-3-4 which surgeon said surgery within the week - I didn't listen to him. Could not walk more than a block. Weight bearing - credit card and key were heavy to carry. 'Miserable' --- too generous a word. After 1 yr. 3 months, my other body systems were exhausted too. Doc said it was too much weight - I said 'Explain why until the minute of the assault, my back had never hurt, at any time, for any reason?' He said the injury was permanent and I was poor a surgical risk. Chiro said she had seen one person recover partially in all her years with similar challenge. Physio made it worse. Not the same as yours but similar. Fast forward Jan 4, 2005. Range of motion in stride has gone from 12 inches to 3 feet. Forward bend - can touch floor - with palms flat. Pain level .5/10 only when I overdo it, otherwise miniscule pain .01 or .02/10 - probably because I look inside at a cellular level and watch it continue to heal. Weight bearing - can lift 2 cube moving boxes. Twisting - good by some measures - cannot do a decent yoga twist yet. Overall twist - excellent by dr. standards and age, but then how many can do a decent twist that have not had a back injury - few, very few! Walking about 1 mile every other day at a faster than average speed. What did I do? Sessions with a talented BodyTalk practitioner. Now I'm one. Had my abdominal breathing restarted - it had been frozen off 40 yrs before with paralytic polio. Breathing improved circulation. In 6 mo. I certified in the BT process and pain level was about 30% (Sept 2002). What do I know? It took connections to the organs, endocrine, body parts including the brain, meridians, Vivaxis, Wei Qi, circulation, central nervous system, energies (including thought forms from others), Chinese five elements, clocks, family genetics, etc. Also restarted deep sleep. A bit too much to explain here. Water is very important, however if the cells are not hydrating, it's all but useless. So tweaking the hydration be it in specific organs, endocrine, whatever is critical. And a bit of sea salt daily on the tongue. A lot of my systems were beyond functioning appropriately with water, and had to be addressed. THE BODY KNOWS HOW TO HEAL. Are you prepared to do the work? Go natural. The key is to LISTEN TO IT --- in the sequence it wants the healing done, not what your mind/ego/ or person in power (dr. etc.) tells you to do. Listen within or contact someone who knows how to deal with these issues. I used no meds. At a molecular level the body's DNA spins clockwise, phamaseuticals spin counter clockwise. In my experience they add undue stress. I avoided even baby aspirin. Repeating strains, accidents, patterns? From what I've seen, it's in the mind too. Pain is about consciousness. We are multi-dimensional beings with emotional grids, mental grids, and spiritual grids that are impacted or carry distorted information. These need to be addressed also. Einstein said there is no time or distance. BodyTalk can be done one to one, or via distance. It's effective. If you want to know more, contact me. Warmly with eHugs, Christine Christine Carleton, C.B.P. Certified BodyTalk® Practitioner, International BodyTalk System Association http://www.bodytalksystem.com http://www.mybodytalk.com (under construction, up by mid Jan) [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
