Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book

[needling around]

I can only comment that Dr. Wing's work took microcurrent usage into the 
mainstream as he was able to get results that no one else did.  One of his 
students today is using his protocols to do things that are unheard of.  I 
would offer that you watch any of the clinical videos on youtube for Millie 
Ng.  I think the crush injury and the hallucis vulgus repair are most 
amazing.

PT


- Original Message - 
From: "Norton, Steve" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book


I may be a little tough on Dr Tennant. His device may even be an
excellent device. My big issue is with the information he provides. As
an example, there are colloidal silver sites that have a perfectly fine
CS but the make wild claims for their CS. It become3s a chore separating
fact from fiction and if they misrepresent some items how can you trust
anything else they say?
You make an excellent point on why compact units are very useful for
you. That goes to my point that the unit I might prefer may not be a
good choice for someone else.
Relative to waveform, I am only repeating the results of a study.
However the "tsunami" waveform is for a single pulse. The patented
waveforms Tennant and others have are for the pattern of a series of
pulses. I think those 'unique' patterns are primarily for the purpose of
claiming a patented uniqueness and not because they provide a
significant difference.
Regards,
 Steve N


-Original Message-
From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 4:52 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book

I like everything about my cosmodic unit.  The other one is a good unit
for
a couple of specific purposes but I haven't gotten the same level of
results
from it for other purposes (could be the operator :-)).  I actually like

small 'thin' devices since people can lay on them more easily (if they
cannot lay face down as many people with back problems cannot do).

I don't know what the biomodulator will do as I haven't been able to
obtain
appropriate information on it as of this writing.  I am waiting for some

literature and hopefully it will allow me to compare it to the scenar I
have
been considering.

I think waveform can be important.  Look how Dr. Thomas Wing advanced
the
use of microcurrent with his "tsunami" waveform.

Thanks for your thoughts.
PT


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Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book

[Norton, Steve]

I may be a little tough on Dr Tennant. His device may even be an
excellent device. My big issue is with the information he provides. As
an example, there are colloidal silver sites that have a perfectly fine
CS but the make wild claims for their CS. It become3s a chore separating
fact from fiction and if they misrepresent some items how can you trust
anything else they say? 
You make an excellent point on why compact units are very useful for
you. That goes to my point that the unit I might prefer may not be a
good choice for someone else.
Relative to waveform, I am only repeating the results of a study.
However the "tsunami" waveform is for a single pulse. The patented
waveforms Tennant and others have are for the pattern of a series of
pulses. I think those 'unique' patterns are primarily for the purpose of
claiming a patented uniqueness and not because they provide a
significant difference. 
Regards,
  Steve N


-Original Message-
From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 4:52 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book

I like everything about my cosmodic unit.  The other one is a good unit
for 
a couple of specific purposes but I haven't gotten the same level of
results 
from it for other purposes (could be the operator :-)).  I actually like

small 'thin' devices since people can lay on them more easily (if they 
cannot lay face down as many people with back problems cannot do).

I don't know what the biomodulator will do as I haven't been able to
obtain 
appropriate information on it as of this writing.  I am waiting for some

literature and hopefully it will allow me to compare it to the scenar I
have 
been considering.

I think waveform can be important.  Look how Dr. Thomas Wing advanced
the 
use of microcurrent with his "tsunami" waveform.

Thanks for your thoughts.
PT


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Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book

[needling around]

I like everything about my cosmodic unit.  The other one is a good unit for 
a couple of specific purposes but I haven't gotten the same level of results 
from it for other purposes (could be the operator :-)).  I actually like 
small 'thin' devices since people can lay on them more easily (if they 
cannot lay face down as many people with back problems cannot do).


I don't know what the biomodulator will do as I haven't been able to obtain 
appropriate information on it as of this writing.  I am waiting for some 
literature and hopefully it will allow me to compare it to the scenar I have 
been considering.


I think waveform can be important.  Look how Dr. Thomas Wing advanced the 
use of microcurrent with his "tsunami" waveform.


Thanks for your thoughts.
PT


- Original Message - 
From: "Norton, Steve" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book


One advantage of the biomodulator is its small handheld size. I think
that is also its drawback. These devices work by delivering currents to
the needed locations. By having fixed electrodes with little separation
between them you will get little penetration of electrical currents into
the body. I prefer electrodes that can be located to send electrical
current to where you need it most.
I place less emphasis on 'special' waveforms. A study of various
waveform patterns showed little difference in performance between the
waveform patterns. In fact some generators use randomly generated pulses
to great effect. Waveform shape has some impact on performance and can
make a great difference in comfort.

What is it you don't like about your scenar units? What do you think the
biomodulator will do that the scenar doesn't?

Thanks,
 Steve


-Original Message-
From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:43 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book

Thanks.  You seemed to have an opinion.  I already have 2 scenar units
and
was looking at the biomodulator as a possible addition.  You don't seem
too
impressed with it and I am wondering what you do like as just a wider
field
to research before making a major investment.
PT


- Original Message - 
From: "Norton, Steve" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book


I try and make a point of not recommending a specific CS supplier and in
this case a specific pain reducer. I don't want to appear to have a bias
and they are only my opinion. What I would look for in a device might
not be what you need. There were several different suppliers mentioned
in a previous discussion on this within the last couple of months. Ode
had a concept for one that might be very useable and lower cost but I
don't know if he is pursuing it. (It would also make CS). Your question
would be better answered by some of the silver-listers that have tried
the different pain reducers.

- Steve N

-Original Message-
From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 6:22 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book

Hi Steve,
Would you mind sharing the names of devices that you feel are as good or

better than the biomodulator?  I am in the market and would be
interested in
your opinion.
Thank you.
PT

- Original Message - 
From: "Norton, Steve" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book


I have not said that Dr Tennant's device does not work. I am sure that
it does. At least to some extent. His device is based on well known
technology that studies have proven to provide pain relief and healing.
However there are other devices on the market that are as good as or
better than Dr Tennant's device. What I have taken issue with is his
claims for how and why his device works. Actually, my original intent
was to explain that you cannot measure cell voltage with a voltmeter.
That then led to explaining that the -20 mV to -25 mV referred to by Dr
Tennant is an artificial value used by digital pH meters and absolutely
meaningless relative to the actual voltage of a cell. First a couple of
quotes from Tennant's web site.

http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Dr._Tennants_Story.html
"Each cellular biology book gave passing notice to the fact that cells
require a narrow range of pH, but little more was discussed on the
subject. He began to look at pH and discovered that it is a measurement
of the voltage in a solution. It is measured with a sophisticated
voltmeter. If the solution is an electron donor, a minus sign is placed
in front of the voltage. If th

Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book

[Norton, Steve]

One advantage of the biomodulator is its small handheld size. I think
that is also its drawback. These devices work by delivering currents to
the needed locations. By having fixed electrodes with little separation
between them you will get little penetration of electrical currents into
the body. I prefer electrodes that can be located to send electrical
current to where you need it most. 
I place less emphasis on 'special' waveforms. A study of various
waveform patterns showed little difference in performance between the
waveform patterns. In fact some generators use randomly generated pulses
to great effect. Waveform shape has some impact on performance and can
make a great difference in comfort.

What is it you don't like about your scenar units? What do you think the
biomodulator will do that the scenar doesn't?

Thanks,
  Steve


-Original Message-
From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:43 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book

Thanks.  You seemed to have an opinion.  I already have 2 scenar units
and 
was looking at the biomodulator as a possible addition.  You don't seem
too 
impressed with it and I am wondering what you do like as just a wider
field 
to research before making a major investment.
PT


- Original Message - 
From: "Norton, Steve" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book


I try and make a point of not recommending a specific CS supplier and in
this case a specific pain reducer. I don't want to appear to have a bias
and they are only my opinion. What I would look for in a device might
not be what you need. There were several different suppliers mentioned
in a previous discussion on this within the last couple of months. Ode
had a concept for one that might be very useable and lower cost but I
don't know if he is pursuing it. (It would also make CS). Your question
would be better answered by some of the silver-listers that have tried
the different pain reducers.

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 6:22 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book

Hi Steve,
Would you mind sharing the names of devices that you feel are as good or

better than the biomodulator?  I am in the market and would be
interested in
your opinion.
Thank you.
PT

- Original Message - 
From: "Norton, Steve" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book


I have not said that Dr Tennant's device does not work. I am sure that
it does. At least to some extent. His device is based on well known
technology that studies have proven to provide pain relief and healing.
However there are other devices on the market that are as good as or
better than Dr Tennant's device. What I have taken issue with is his
claims for how and why his device works. Actually, my original intent
was to explain that you cannot measure cell voltage with a voltmeter.
That then led to explaining that the -20 mV to -25 mV referred to by Dr
Tennant is an artificial value used by digital pH meters and absolutely
meaningless relative to the actual voltage of a cell. First a couple of
quotes from Tennant's web site.

http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Dr._Tennants_Story.html
"Each cellular biology book gave passing notice to the fact that cells
require a narrow range of pH, but little more was discussed on the
subject. He began to look at pH and discovered that it is a measurement
of the voltage in a solution. It is measured with a sophisticated
voltmeter. If the solution is an electron donor, a minus sign is placed
in front of the voltage. If the solution is an electron stealer, a plus
sign is placed in front of the voltage. The measured voltage is then
converted to a logarithmic scale from 0-14 with zero corresponding to
+400 millivolts of electron stealer to -400 millivolts corresponding to
a pH of 14. Cell are designed to run at about -20 millivolts (pH 7.35).
Dr. Tennant began to understand that cells must have enough voltage to
work and that chronic disease was associated with loss of voltage. Next
he had to find out how to measure the voltage and then how to correct
it."

Ok, so Tennant is referring to the voltage of a pH meter.


http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Energetic_Medicine.html
"One can tap into either wiring system to measure the voltage in the
organs.  It is difficult to use a voltmeter to measure the organ voltage
because voltage surges about every six seconds.  Thus we commonly use an
ohmmeter to measure and then convert that to voltage.  There are several
devices designed to accuratel

Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book

[needling around]

Thanks.  You seemed to have an opinion.  I already have 2 scenar units and 
was looking at the biomodulator as a possible addition.  You don't seem too 
impressed with it and I am wondering what you do like as just a wider field 
to research before making a major investment.

PT


- Original Message - 
From: "Norton, Steve" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book


I try and make a point of not recommending a specific CS supplier and in
this case a specific pain reducer. I don't want to appear to have a bias
and they are only my opinion. What I would look for in a device might
not be what you need. There were several different suppliers mentioned
in a previous discussion on this within the last couple of months. Ode
had a concept for one that might be very useable and lower cost but I
don't know if he is pursuing it. (It would also make CS). Your question
would be better answered by some of the silver-listers that have tried
the different pain reducers.

- Steve N

-Original Message-
From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 6:22 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book

Hi Steve,
Would you mind sharing the names of devices that you feel are as good or

better than the biomodulator?  I am in the market and would be
interested in
your opinion.
Thank you.
PT

- Original Message - 
From: "Norton, Steve" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book


I have not said that Dr Tennant's device does not work. I am sure that
it does. At least to some extent. His device is based on well known
technology that studies have proven to provide pain relief and healing.
However there are other devices on the market that are as good as or
better than Dr Tennant's device. What I have taken issue with is his
claims for how and why his device works. Actually, my original intent
was to explain that you cannot measure cell voltage with a voltmeter.
That then led to explaining that the -20 mV to -25 mV referred to by Dr
Tennant is an artificial value used by digital pH meters and absolutely
meaningless relative to the actual voltage of a cell. First a couple of
quotes from Tennant's web site.

http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Dr._Tennants_Story.html
"Each cellular biology book gave passing notice to the fact that cells
require a narrow range of pH, but little more was discussed on the
subject. He began to look at pH and discovered that it is a measurement
of the voltage in a solution. It is measured with a sophisticated
voltmeter. If the solution is an electron donor, a minus sign is placed
in front of the voltage. If the solution is an electron stealer, a plus
sign is placed in front of the voltage. The measured voltage is then
converted to a logarithmic scale from 0-14 with zero corresponding to
+400 millivolts of electron stealer to -400 millivolts corresponding to
a pH of 14. Cell are designed to run at about -20 millivolts (pH 7.35).
Dr. Tennant began to understand that cells must have enough voltage to
work and that chronic disease was associated with loss of voltage. Next
he had to find out how to measure the voltage and then how to correct
it."

Ok, so Tennant is referring to the voltage of a pH meter.


http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Energetic_Medicine.html
"One can tap into either wiring system to measure the voltage in the
organs.  It is difficult to use a voltmeter to measure the organ voltage
because voltage surges about every six seconds.  Thus we commonly use an
ohmmeter to measure and then convert that to voltage.  There are several
devices designed to accurately and reproducibly measure organ voltage
like the Nakatani (MEAD) system, the Voll systems, and the Tennant
Biomodulator.  By placing one of these devices onto a wire known to go
to each organ, one can know the voltage in that organ.
Cells in the adult human are designed to run at -20 to -25 millivolts
and to heal at -50 millivolts.  The minus sign means that the voltage is
an electron donor.  If the voltage drops to the point the solution is an
electron stealer, we put a plus sign in front of the voltage.  Cancer
occurs at +30 millivolts."


If you do a search on the Nakatani (MEAD) system and the Voll systems
you will find that neither measures organ voltages much less cell
voltages. Apparently the Tennant Biomodulator uses an ohmmeter for
measurement and then converts the ohm reading to a voltage.
Theoretically a voltage could look like a resistance if it has the
opposite polarity of the voltage used by the ohmmeter and a magnitude
less than the voltage used by the ohmmeter. However this method as used
would be fraught with potential errors. And even if you got a
measurem

Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book

[Norton, Steve]

I try and make a point of not recommending a specific CS supplier and in
this case a specific pain reducer. I don't want to appear to have a bias
and they are only my opinion. What I would look for in a device might
not be what you need. There were several different suppliers mentioned
in a previous discussion on this within the last couple of months. Ode
had a concept for one that might be very useable and lower cost but I
don't know if he is pursuing it. (It would also make CS). Your question
would be better answered by some of the silver-listers that have tried
the different pain reducers.

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 6:22 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book

Hi Steve,
Would you mind sharing the names of devices that you feel are as good or

better than the biomodulator?  I am in the market and would be
interested in 
your opinion.
Thank you.
PT

- Original Message - 
From: "Norton, Steve" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book


I have not said that Dr Tennant's device does not work. I am sure that
it does. At least to some extent. His device is based on well known
technology that studies have proven to provide pain relief and healing.
However there are other devices on the market that are as good as or
better than Dr Tennant's device. What I have taken issue with is his
claims for how and why his device works. Actually, my original intent
was to explain that you cannot measure cell voltage with a voltmeter.
That then led to explaining that the -20 mV to -25 mV referred to by Dr
Tennant is an artificial value used by digital pH meters and absolutely
meaningless relative to the actual voltage of a cell. First a couple of
quotes from Tennant's web site.

http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Dr._Tennants_Story.html
"Each cellular biology book gave passing notice to the fact that cells
require a narrow range of pH, but little more was discussed on the
subject. He began to look at pH and discovered that it is a measurement
of the voltage in a solution. It is measured with a sophisticated
voltmeter. If the solution is an electron donor, a minus sign is placed
in front of the voltage. If the solution is an electron stealer, a plus
sign is placed in front of the voltage. The measured voltage is then
converted to a logarithmic scale from 0-14 with zero corresponding to
+400 millivolts of electron stealer to -400 millivolts corresponding to
a pH of 14. Cell are designed to run at about -20 millivolts (pH 7.35).
Dr. Tennant began to understand that cells must have enough voltage to
work and that chronic disease was associated with loss of voltage. Next
he had to find out how to measure the voltage and then how to correct
it."

Ok, so Tennant is referring to the voltage of a pH meter.


http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Energetic_Medicine.html
"One can tap into either wiring system to measure the voltage in the
organs.  It is difficult to use a voltmeter to measure the organ voltage
because voltage surges about every six seconds.  Thus we commonly use an
ohmmeter to measure and then convert that to voltage.  There are several
devices designed to accurately and reproducibly measure organ voltage
like the Nakatani (MEAD) system, the Voll systems, and the Tennant
Biomodulator.  By placing one of these devices onto a wire known to go
to each organ, one can know the voltage in that organ.
Cells in the adult human are designed to run at -20 to -25 millivolts
and to heal at -50 millivolts.  The minus sign means that the voltage is
an electron donor.  If the voltage drops to the point the solution is an
electron stealer, we put a plus sign in front of the voltage.  Cancer
occurs at +30 millivolts."


If you do a search on the Nakatani (MEAD) system and the Voll systems
you will find that neither measures organ voltages much less cell
voltages. Apparently the Tennant Biomodulator uses an ohmmeter for
measurement and then converts the ohm reading to a voltage.
Theoretically a voltage could look like a resistance if it has the
opposite polarity of the voltage used by the ohmmeter and a magnitude
less than the voltage used by the ohmmeter. However this method as used
would be fraught with potential errors. And even if you got a
measurement, it would not be the voltage of a cell.

What is the voltage of a cell? Not -20 to -25 millivolts. Not -50
millivolts. But -70 millivolts for a resting cell. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resting_potential
"The resting voltage is the result of several ion-translocating enzymes
(uniporters, cotransporters, and pumps) in the plasma membrane, steadily
operating in parallel, whereby each ion-translocator has its
characteristic electromotive force (

Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book

[needling around]

Hi Steve,
Would you mind sharing the names of devices that you feel are as good or 
better than the biomodulator?  I am in the market and would be interested in 
your opinion.

Thank you.
PT

- Original Message - 
From: "Norton, Steve" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book


I have not said that Dr Tennant's device does not work. I am sure that
it does. At least to some extent. His device is based on well known
technology that studies have proven to provide pain relief and healing.
However there are other devices on the market that are as good as or
better than Dr Tennant's device. What I have taken issue with is his
claims for how and why his device works. Actually, my original intent
was to explain that you cannot measure cell voltage with a voltmeter.
That then led to explaining that the -20 mV to -25 mV referred to by Dr
Tennant is an artificial value used by digital pH meters and absolutely
meaningless relative to the actual voltage of a cell. First a couple of
quotes from Tennant's web site.

http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Dr._Tennants_Story.html
"Each cellular biology book gave passing notice to the fact that cells
require a narrow range of pH, but little more was discussed on the
subject. He began to look at pH and discovered that it is a measurement
of the voltage in a solution. It is measured with a sophisticated
voltmeter. If the solution is an electron donor, a minus sign is placed
in front of the voltage. If the solution is an electron stealer, a plus
sign is placed in front of the voltage. The measured voltage is then
converted to a logarithmic scale from 0-14 with zero corresponding to
+400 millivolts of electron stealer to -400 millivolts corresponding to
a pH of 14. Cell are designed to run at about -20 millivolts (pH 7.35).
Dr. Tennant began to understand that cells must have enough voltage to
work and that chronic disease was associated with loss of voltage. Next
he had to find out how to measure the voltage and then how to correct
it."

Ok, so Tennant is referring to the voltage of a pH meter.


http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Energetic_Medicine.html
"One can tap into either wiring system to measure the voltage in the
organs.  It is difficult to use a voltmeter to measure the organ voltage
because voltage surges about every six seconds.  Thus we commonly use an
ohmmeter to measure and then convert that to voltage.  There are several
devices designed to accurately and reproducibly measure organ voltage
like the Nakatani (MEAD) system, the Voll systems, and the Tennant
Biomodulator.  By placing one of these devices onto a wire known to go
to each organ, one can know the voltage in that organ.
Cells in the adult human are designed to run at -20 to -25 millivolts
and to heal at -50 millivolts.  The minus sign means that the voltage is
an electron donor.  If the voltage drops to the point the solution is an
electron stealer, we put a plus sign in front of the voltage.  Cancer
occurs at +30 millivolts."


If you do a search on the Nakatani (MEAD) system and the Voll systems
you will find that neither measures organ voltages much less cell
voltages. Apparently the Tennant Biomodulator uses an ohmmeter for
measurement and then converts the ohm reading to a voltage.
Theoretically a voltage could look like a resistance if it has the
opposite polarity of the voltage used by the ohmmeter and a magnitude
less than the voltage used by the ohmmeter. However this method as used
would be fraught with potential errors. And even if you got a
measurement, it would not be the voltage of a cell.

What is the voltage of a cell? Not -20 to -25 millivolts. Not -50
millivolts. But -70 millivolts for a resting cell. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resting_potential
"The resting voltage is the result of several ion-translocating enzymes
(uniporters, cotransporters, and pumps) in the plasma membrane, steadily
operating in parallel, whereby each ion-translocator has its
characteristic electromotive force (= reversal potential = 'equilibrium
voltage'), depending on the particular substrate concentrations inside
and outside (internal ATP included in case of some pumps). H+ exporting
ATPase render the membrane voltage in plants and fungi much more
negative than in the more extensively investigated animal cells, where
the resting voltage is mainly determined by selective ion channels.

In most neurons the resting potential has a value of approximately -70
mV. The resting potential is mostly determined by the concentrations of
the ions in the fluids on both sides of the cell membrane and the ion
transport proteins that are in the cell membrane. How the concentrations
of ions and the membrane transport proteins influence the value of the
resting potential is outlined below."




There is also a voltage associated with what are called excita

Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book

[Norton, Steve]

cells. In neurons, they play a central role in cell-to-cell
communication. In other types of cells, their main function is to
activate intracellular processes. In muscle cells, for example, an
action potential is the first step in the chain of events leading to
contraction.[citation needed] In beta cells of the pancreas, they
provoke release of insulin.[1] Action potentials in neurons are also
known as "nerve impulses" or "spikes", and the temporal sequence of
action potentials generated by a neuron is called its "spike train". A
neuron that emits an action potential is often said to "fire".
All cells in animal body tissues are electrically polarized-in other
words, they maintain a voltage difference across the cell's plasma
membrane, known as the membrane potential. This electrical polarization
results from a complex interplay between protein structures embedded in
the membrane called ion pumps and ion channels. In neurons, the types of
ion channels in the membrane usually vary across different parts of the
cell, giving the dendrites, axon, and cell body different electrical
properties. As a result, some parts of the membrane of a neuron may be
excitable (capable of generating action potentials) while others are
not. The most excitable part of a neuron is usually the axon hillock
(the point where the axon leaves the cell body), but the axon and cell
body are also excitable in most cases.
...
Each excitable patch of membrane has two important levels of membrane
potential: the resting potential, which is the value the membrane
potential maintains as long as nothing perturbs the cell, and a higher
value called the threshold potential. At the axon hillock of a typical
neuron, the resting potential is around -70 millivolts (mV) and the
threshold potential is around -55 mV. Synaptic inputs to a neuron cause
the membrane to depolarize or hyperpolarize; that is, they cause the
membrane potential to rise or fall. Action potentials are triggered when
enough depolarization accumulates to bring the membrane potential up to
threshold. When an action potential is triggered, the membrane potential
abruptly shoots upward, often reaching as high as +100 mV, then equally
abruptly shoots back downward, often ending below the resting level,
where it remains for some period of time. The shape of the action
potential is stereotyped; that is, the rise and fall usually have
approximately the same amplitude and time course for all action
potentials in a given cell."


As you can see, the voltages discussed by Dr Tennant have nothing at all
to do with actual cell voltages. And I don't even want to touch his
frequencies and essential oil assertions.

 - Steve N



From: Nenah Sylver [mailto:nenahsyl...@cox.net] 
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:26 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book

As Dr. Tennant outlines in his book, the amount of cellular voltage that
corresponds to various states of the cells and tissues-degeneration,
severe degeneration, inflammation, severe inflammation, and normal-has a
distinct correlation with biological and physiological processes. This
includes pH. These voltages aren't made up by Tennant. They are
parameters of voltage, measurements of voltage under various conditions
that were established in the 1940s in Germany by Reinhold Voll, whose
work was later expanded on by many others. Dr. Tennant has simply laid
it out in an easily accessible manner in his book.

The Tennant Biomodulator, which I own, is a biofeedback device that
restores voltage to the tissues. The frequency and wave shape it emits
depends on (1) the signals it receives from the skin as the subject is
being treated, (2) the amplitude of the wave (volume as set by the
user), and (3) the setting on the device (there are several treatment
and assess settings). 

The electromagnetic (EM) emanations from cells always precede chemical
processes. Yes, there is a correlation between the two-when the EM
signature changes, it affects the biochemistry; and when the
biochemistry changes, that affects the EM signature. However, the EM
signature changes FIRST. Often, changes in the EM signature can be
detected before changes in the biochemistry can be detected. This is
especially true of degenerative conditions. In the case of sudden,
contagious pathogen infection or especially in the case of instantaneous
injuries (such as accidents), there isn't enough time between the EM
signature change and the biochemical change. However, these are
exceptions rather than the rule.

There's an article I wrote on electromedicine that's freely available on
my website:
http://www.nenahsylver.com/electromedicine_healing_with_electromedicine.
html 
I know that people tend to discount stuff that's free, and from someone
they know-but this article has been considered so important, it was
first published in Townsend Letter, then in

Re: CS>voltage meter

[Ode Coyote]

"cells need voltage"
  A misleading misnomer.

Cells need electrochemical ion exchange  eg "chemical reactions" in order 
to not starve or asphyxiate when doing things

Even communications between cells are carried out by these exchanges.

 Any chemical reaction can be described as electronic in nature.
 Any difference in potential [voltage] can be defined as a pending 
chemical reaction.


You might even say that a reaction that's taking place now, is a "current" 
event.


 A battery is a cell.
If you cannot detect a voltage it may be dead, but it needs current to stay 
charged.

 You can't charge a battery with voltagesomething has to "happen"
 A GOOD battery will maintain a voltage [potential] forever with no input 
of current, so long as there's also no output of current.


But if you don't use it, it may as well be dead.
No current, no events..all potential getting dusty in a closet doing nothing.

You can have full voltage and very low capacity in a battery as 
well..little current availabletired easily when used.
But checking voltage won't tell you about capacity..ya gotta load the cell 
with current draw [make it do some "work" ] to see how fast it gets tired.
And if you let it rest a while, the voltage goes right back up..unless it's 
about dead.


Now..stick that voltmeter on a dead chicken and see if you get something.
I think you will, but that doesn't mean that chicken will ever lay another 
egg nearly as big as this idea that "cells need voltage"

It's next current event is charging YOU.
THAT is its' potential, now.

Ode



At 10:39 AM 9/26/2010 -0600, you wrote:

Hello Love,

Although I understand some of the basics, there are wide gaps in my 
comprehension. For example, "cells need voltage".  But the voltage can, in 
the body, come only from the chemical biology of the cells themselves, and 
must be regulated by cells.  I don't know anything about Norton.  I am 
sending this for review and consideration by more qualified people, not as 
a put-down of Tennant. His procedures may work, even if his theory is not 
correct.


I sure would like to get a hug.

Jim

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Norton, Steve 
<stephen.nor...@ngc.com> wrote:
Dr. Tennant doesn't explain his claim that all cells in the body need 
between -20 mV and -25 mV. Without an explanation his claim is pretty much 
worthless. But let me make a guess. The optimal blood pH is somewhere 
between 7.35 and 7.45. If blood pH moves below 6.8 or above 7.8, cells 
stop functioning and the body dies.



A pH meter measures Ph as follows 
(http://www.omega.com/techref/ph-3.html):


"pH electrodes are constructed from a special composition glass which 
senses the hydrogen ion concentration. This glass is typically composed of 
alkali metal ions. The alkali metal ions of the glass and the hydrogen 
ions in solution undergo an ion exchange reaction, generating a potential 
difference. In a combination pH electrode, the most widely used variety, 
there are actually two electrodes in one body. One portion is called the 
measuring electrode, the other the reference electrode. The potential 
generated at the junction site of the measuring portion is due to the free 
hydrogen ions present in solution.
The potential of the reference portion is produced by the internal element 
in contact with the reference fill solution. This potential is always 
constant. In summary, the measuring electrode delivers a varying voltage 
and the reference electrode delivers a constant voltage to the meter."
"pH electrodes are like batteries; they run down with time and use. As an 
electrode ages, its glass changes resistance. This resistance change 
alters the electrode potential. For this reason, electrodes need to be 
calibrated on a regular basis. Calibration in pH buffer solution corrects 
for this change. Calibration of any pH equipment should always begin with 
buffer 7.0 as this is the "zero point." The pH scale has an equivalent mV 
scale. The mV scale ranges from +420 to -420 mV. At a pH of 7.0 the mV 
value is 0. Each pH change corresponds to a change of ±60 mV. As pH values 
become more acidic the mV values become greater. For example, a pH of 4.0 
corresponds to a value of 180 mV. As pH values become more basic the mV 
values become more negative; pH=9 corresponds to -120 mV."



Therefore a pH meter reading between -20 mV and -25 mV would correspond to 
a pH of 7.33 to 7.41. A fairly startling coincidence I would say. I think 
that this is where Dr. Tennant gets his claim. But his claim is total 
nonsense in the context he uses it.


The pH meter uses a specially designed probe which basically creates a 
battery that uses free hydrogen ions as the electrolyte. The voltage 
measured is directly related to the amount of free hydrogen ions in the 
electrolyte. You cannot use a voltmeter to measure the pH of the skin, a 
liquid on the skin or a cell. Tennant's claim of doing

Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book

[Don Barnes]

Jerry Tannant spoke on Coast 7-21-10

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2010/07/21
-- Dr. Jerry Tennant www.tennantinstitute.com  972-580-1156 and Dr Mark
Starr
-- If your bioterminals average out at -10 mv you are a thyroid patient
until proven ow.
-- At normal body voltage save kidney @ 5 mv: dental infection until proven
otherwise.
-- Proper nutrition and voltage are the secrets to longevity.  *
*
Is there a tie in to the laser here?
Larry Lytle inventor of the Q-1000 has his book *Health is Light*

Don

On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Nenah Sylver  wrote:

>  As Dr. Tennant outlines in his book, the amount of cellular voltage that
> corresponds to various states of the cells and tissues—degeneration, severe
> degeneration, inflammation, severe inflammation, and normal—has a distinct
> correlation with biological and physiological processes. This includes pH.
> These voltages aren’t made up by Tennant. They are parameters of voltage,
> measurements of voltage under various conditions that were established in
> the 1940s in Germany by Reinhold Voll, whose work was later expanded on by
> many others. Dr. Tennant has simply laid it out in an easily accessible
> manner in his book.
>
>
>
> The Tennant Biomodulator, which I own, is a biofeedback device that
> restores voltage to the tissues. The frequency and wave shape it emits
> depends on (1) the signals it receives from the skin as the subject is being
> treated, (2) the amplitude of the wave (volume as set by the user), and (3)
> the setting on the device (there are several treatment and assess settings).
>
>
>
>
> The electromagnetic (EM) emanations from cells always precede chemical
> processes. Yes, there is a correlation between the two—when the EM signature
> changes, it affects the biochemistry; and when the biochemistry changes,
> that affects the EM signature. However, the EM signature changes FIRST.
> Often, changes in the EM signature can be detected before changes in the
> biochemistry can be detected. This is especially true of degenerative
> conditions. In the case of sudden, contagious pathogen infection or
> especially in the case of instantaneous injuries (such as accidents), there
> isn’t enough time between the EM signature change and the biochemical
> change. However, these are exceptions rather than the rule.
>
>
>
> There’s an article I wrote on electromedicine that’s freely available on my
> website:
> http://www.nenahsylver.com/electromedicine_healing_with_electromedicine.html
>
> I know that people tend to discount stuff that’s free, and from someone
> they know—but this article has been considered so important, it was first
> published in Townsend Letter, then in Nexus, and it’s now being translated
> into German and Korean. Perhaps some of you will read it. I wrote it to help
> people understand electromedicine.
>
>
>
> I bought a Biomodulator to help with chronic pain from whiplash I sustained
> in an auto accident many years ago. The decrease in pain was not merely
> palliative; there has been actual healing involved. (Read the article to
> find out why.)
>
>
>
> I have not only greatly benefitted from it myself, but have personally
> witnessed great improvements in others. One young woman had been injured as
> a child in a car accident. Her femur jutted out of her leg at a 90 degree
> angle. Doctors wanted to amputate but her parents wouldn’t let them, so they
> repositioned the bone and sent the girl home. For 12 years, she had no
> sensation in her knee and surrounding tissues. After three 1-1/2 hour
> sessions, sensation was restored.
>
>
>
> If anyone would like more information on the Biomodulator, please email me
> off-list.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Nenah
>
>
>
> Nenah Sylver, PhD
>
> electromedicine specialist and author
>
> The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009)
>
> & The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy (2004)
>
> www.nenahsylver.com
>   --
>
> [Jim] Although I understand some of the basics, there are wide gaps in my
> comprehension. For example, "cells need voltage".  But the voltage can, in
> the body, come only from the chemical biology of the cells themselves, and
> must be regulated by cells.
>
>
>
> [Steve] Dr. Tennant doesn't explain his claim that all cells in the body
> need between -20 mV and -25 mV. Without an explanation his claim is pretty
> much worthless. But let me make a guess. The optimal blood pH is somewhere
> between 7.35 and 7.45. If blood pH moves below 6.8 or above 7.8, cells stop
> functioning and the body dies.
>

Re: CS>voltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE & Dr. Tennant's book

[Nenah Sylver]

As Dr. Tennant outlines in his book, the amount of cellular voltage that
corresponds to various states of the cells and tissues-degeneration, severe
degeneration, inflammation, severe inflammation, and normal-has a distinct
correlation with biological and physiological processes. This includes pH.
These voltages aren't made up by Tennant. They are parameters of voltage,
measurements of voltage under various conditions that were established in
the 1940s in Germany by Reinhold Voll, whose work was later expanded on by
many others. Dr. Tennant has simply laid it out in an easily accessible
manner in his book.

 

The Tennant Biomodulator, which I own, is a biofeedback device that restores
voltage to the tissues. The frequency and wave shape it emits depends on (1)
the signals it receives from the skin as the subject is being treated, (2)
the amplitude of the wave (volume as set by the user), and (3) the setting
on the device (there are several treatment and assess settings). 

 

The electromagnetic (EM) emanations from cells always precede chemical
processes. Yes, there is a correlation between the two-when the EM signature
changes, it affects the biochemistry; and when the biochemistry changes,
that affects the EM signature. However, the EM signature changes FIRST.
Often, changes in the EM signature can be detected before changes in the
biochemistry can be detected. This is especially true of degenerative
conditions. In the case of sudden, contagious pathogen infection or
especially in the case of instantaneous injuries (such as accidents), there
isn't enough time between the EM signature change and the biochemical
change. However, these are exceptions rather than the rule.

 

There's an article I wrote on electromedicine that's freely available on my
website:
http://www.nenahsylver.com/electromedicine_healing_with_electromedicine.html


I know that people tend to discount stuff that's free, and from someone they
know-but this article has been considered so important, it was first
published in Townsend Letter, then in Nexus, and it's now being translated
into German and Korean. Perhaps some of you will read it. I wrote it to help
people understand electromedicine.

 

I bought a Biomodulator to help with chronic pain from whiplash I sustained
in an auto accident many years ago. The decrease in pain was not merely
palliative; there has been actual healing involved. (Read the article to
find out why.) 

 

I have not only greatly benefitted from it myself, but have personally
witnessed great improvements in others. One young woman had been injured as
a child in a car accident. Her femur jutted out of her leg at a 90 degree
angle. Doctors wanted to amputate but her parents wouldn't let them, so they
repositioned the bone and sent the girl home. For 12 years, she had no
sensation in her knee and surrounding tissues. After three 1-1/2 hour
sessions, sensation was restored.

 

If anyone would like more information on the Biomodulator, please email me
off-list. 

 

Best,

Nenah

 

Nenah Sylver, PhD

electromedicine specialist and author

The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009)

& The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy (2004)

  www.nenahsylver.com 

  _  

[Jim] Although I understand some of the basics, there are wide gaps in my
comprehension. For example, "cells need voltage".  But the voltage can, in
the body, come only from the chemical biology of the cells themselves, and
must be regulated by cells.  

 

[Steve] Dr. Tennant doesn't explain his claim that all cells in the body
need between -20 mV and -25 mV. Without an explanation his claim is pretty
much worthless. But let me make a guess. The optimal blood pH is somewhere
between 7.35 and 7.45. If blood pH moves below 6.8 or above 7.8, cells stop
functioning and the body dies.

Re: CS>voltage meter

[Jim Holmes]

Hello Love,

Although I understand some of the basics, there are wide gaps in my
comprehension. For example, "cells need voltage".  But the voltage can, in
the body, come only from the chemical biology of the cells themselves, and
must be regulated by cells.  I don't know anything about Norton.  I am
sending this for review and consideration by more qualified people, not as a
put-down of Tennant. His procedures may work, even if his theory is not
correct.

I sure would like to get a hug.

Jim

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Norton, Steve wrote:

> Dr. Tennant doesn't explain his claim that all cells in the body need
> between -20 mV and -25 mV. Without an explanation his claim is pretty much
> worthless. But let me make a guess. The optimal blood pH is somewhere
> between 7.35 and 7.45. If blood pH moves below 6.8 or above 7.8, cells stop
> functioning and the body dies.
>
>
> A pH meter measures Ph as follows (http://www.omega.com/techref/ph-3.html
> ):
>
> "pH electrodes are constructed from a special composition glass which
> senses the hydrogen ion concentration. This glass is typically composed of
> alkali metal ions. The alkali metal ions of the glass and the hydrogen ions
> in solution undergo an ion exchange reaction, generating a potential
> difference. In a combination pH electrode, the most widely used variety,
> there are actually two electrodes in one body. One portion is called the
> measuring electrode, the other the reference electrode. The potential
> generated at the junction site of the measuring portion is due to the free
> hydrogen ions present in solution.
> The potential of the reference portion is produced by the internal element
> in contact with the reference fill solution. This potential is always
> constant. In summary, the measuring electrode delivers a varying voltage and
> the reference electrode delivers a constant voltage to the meter."
> "pH electrodes are like batteries; they run down with time and use. As an
> electrode ages, its glass changes resistance. This resistance change alters
> the electrode potential. For this reason, electrodes need to be calibrated
> on a regular basis. Calibration in pH buffer solution corrects for this
> change. Calibration of any pH equipment should always begin with buffer 7.0
> as this is the "zero point." The pH scale has an equivalent mV scale. The mV
> scale ranges from +420 to -420 mV. At a pH of 7.0 the mV value is 0. Each pH
> change corresponds to a change of ±60 mV. As pH values become more acidic
> the mV values become greater. For example, a pH of 4.0 corresponds to a
> value of 180 mV. As pH values become more basic the mV values become more
> negative; pH=9 corresponds to -120 mV."
>
>
> Therefore a pH meter reading between -20 mV and -25 mV would correspond to
> a pH of 7.33 to 7.41. A fairly startling coincidence I would say. I think
> that this is where Dr. Tennant gets his claim. But his claim is total
> nonsense in the context he uses it.
>
> The pH meter uses a specially designed probe which basically creates a
> battery that uses free hydrogen ions as the electrolyte. The voltage
> measured is directly related to the amount of free hydrogen ions in the
> electrolyte. You cannot use a voltmeter to measure the pH of the skin, a
> liquid on the skin or a cell. Tennant's claim of doing so is rubbish.
>
> Dr. Tennant uses this supposed effect to explain what his device does but
> it is all show and false science. And there is no way that his device can
> alter the body or a cell's pH. His device appears to be similar to a number
> of other devices that are used to reduce pain. Dr. Tennant has several
> patents but they are what I believe are called application patents. They
> only patent certain pulse configurations that Tennant's device uses and not
> the underlying methodology. The other makers of pain reduction devices also
> have their 'unique' application patents but the underlying methodology is
> the same for all of them.
>
> - Steve N
>
>
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RE: CS>voltage meter

[Norton, Steve]

The sentence below should have read " And there is no way that his device can 
permanently alter the body or a cell's pH."

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Norton, Steve 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:05 PM
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com'
Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter

Dr. Tennant doesn't explain his claim that all cells in the body need between 
-20 mV and -25 mV. Without an explanation his claim is pretty much worthless. 
But let me make a guess. The optimal blood pH is somewhere between 7.35 and 
7.45. If blood pH moves below 6.8 or above 7.8, cells stop functioning and the 
body dies. 


A pH meter measures Ph as follows (http://www.omega.com/techref/ph-3.html):

"pH electrodes are constructed from a special composition glass which senses 
the hydrogen ion concentration. This glass is typically composed of alkali 
metal ions. The alkali metal ions of the glass and the hydrogen ions in 
solution undergo an ion exchange reaction, generating a potential difference. 
In a combination pH electrode, the most widely used variety, there are actually 
two electrodes in one body. One portion is called the measuring electrode, the 
other the reference electrode. The potential generated at the junction site of 
the measuring portion is due to the free hydrogen ions present in solution.
The potential of the reference portion is produced by the internal element in 
contact with the reference fill solution. This potential is always constant. In 
summary, the measuring electrode delivers a varying voltage and the reference 
electrode delivers a constant voltage to the meter."
"pH electrodes are like batteries; they run down with time and use. As an 
electrode ages, its glass changes resistance. This resistance change alters the 
electrode potential. For this reason, electrodes need to be calibrated on a 
regular basis. Calibration in pH buffer solution corrects for this change. 
Calibration of any pH equipment should always begin with buffer 7.0 as this is 
the "zero point." The pH scale has an equivalent mV scale. The mV scale ranges 
from +420 to -420 mV. At a pH of 7.0 the mV value is 0. Each pH change 
corresponds to a change of ±60 mV. As pH values become more acidic the mV 
values become greater. For example, a pH of 4.0 corresponds to a value of 180 
mV. As pH values become more basic the mV values become more negative; pH=9 
corresponds to -120 mV."


Therefore a pH meter reading between -20 mV and -25 mV would correspond to a pH 
of 7.33 to 7.41. A fairly startling coincidence I would say. I think that this 
is where Dr. Tennant gets his claim. But his claim is total nonsense in the 
context he uses it. 


The pH meter uses a specially designed probe which basically creates a battery 
that uses free hydrogen ions as the electrolyte. The voltage measured is 
directly related to the amount of free hydrogen ions in the electrolyte. You 
cannot use a voltmeter to measure the pH of the skin, a liquid on the skin or a 
cell. Tennant's claim of doing so is rubbish.

Dr. Tennant uses this supposed effect to explain what his device does but it is 
all show and false science. And there is no way that his device can alter the 
body or a cell's pH. His device appears to be similar to a number of other 
devices that are used to reduce pain. Dr. Tennant has several patents but they 
are what I believe are called application patents. They only patent certain 
pulse configurations that Tennant's device uses and not the underlying 
methodology. The other makers of pain reduction devices also have their 
'unique' application patents but the underlying methodology is the same for all 
of them. 

- Steve N


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Re: CS>voltage meter

[Norton, Steve]

Dr. Tennant doesn't explain his claim that all cells in the body need between 
-20 mV and -25 mV. Without an explanation his claim is pretty much worthless. 
But let me make a guess. The optimal blood pH is somewhere between 7.35 and 
7.45. If blood pH moves below 6.8 or above 7.8, cells stop functioning and the 
body dies. 


A pH meter measures Ph as follows (http://www.omega.com/techref/ph-3.html):

"pH electrodes are constructed from a special composition glass which senses 
the hydrogen ion concentration. This glass is typically composed of alkali 
metal ions. The alkali metal ions of the glass and the hydrogen ions in 
solution undergo an ion exchange reaction, generating a potential difference. 
In a combination pH electrode, the most widely used variety, there are actually 
two electrodes in one body. One portion is called the measuring electrode, the 
other the reference electrode. The potential generated at the junction site of 
the measuring portion is due to the free hydrogen ions present in solution.
The potential of the reference portion is produced by the internal element in 
contact with the reference fill solution. This potential is always constant. In 
summary, the measuring electrode delivers a varying voltage and the reference 
electrode delivers a constant voltage to the meter."
"pH electrodes are like batteries; they run down with time and use. As an 
electrode ages, its glass changes resistance. This resistance change alters the 
electrode potential. For this reason, electrodes need to be calibrated on a 
regular basis. Calibration in pH buffer solution corrects for this change. 
Calibration of any pH equipment should always begin with buffer 7.0 as this is 
the "zero point." The pH scale has an equivalent mV scale. The mV scale ranges 
from +420 to -420 mV. At a pH of 7.0 the mV value is 0. Each pH change 
corresponds to a change of ±60 mV. As pH values become more acidic the mV 
values become greater. For example, a pH of 4.0 corresponds to a value of 180 
mV. As pH values become more basic the mV values become more negative; pH=9 
corresponds to -120 mV."


Therefore a pH meter reading between -20 mV and -25 mV would correspond to a pH 
of 7.33 to 7.41. A fairly startling coincidence I would say. I think that this 
is where Dr. Tennant gets his claim. But his claim is total nonsense in the 
context he uses it. 

The pH meter uses a specially designed probe which basically creates a battery 
that uses free hydrogen ions as the electrolyte. The voltage measured is 
directly related to the amount of free hydrogen ions in the electrolyte. You 
cannot use a voltmeter to measure the pH of the skin, a liquid on the skin or a 
cell. Tennant's claim of doing so is rubbish.

Dr. Tennant uses this supposed effect to explain what his device does but it is 
all show and false science. And there is no way that his device can alter the 
body or a cell's pH. His device appears to be similar to a number of other 
devices that are used to reduce pain. Dr. Tennant has several patents but they 
are what I believe are called application patents. They only patent certain 
pulse configurations that Tennant's device uses and not the underlying 
methodology. The other makers of pain reduction devices also have their 
'unique' application patents but the underlying methodology is the same for all 
of them. 

- Steve N


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Re: CS>voltage meter

[Jim Holmes]

Is this the correct spelling?

"scenar"

Thank you,

   Jim

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Rafael Villegas wrote:

> David Sereda does this. Also sells things to help keep healthy voltage
> differential. http://www.voiceentertainment.net/
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:39 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter
>
>I think Tennant is scamming ya'll.
>
> What you are measuring is related to galvanic skin
> response..probably..capacitive discharge pathways for an uneven
> electro-potential and wetter and dryer areas of skin being connected by the
> meter.
>
> Your skin is always picking up and discharging electrons from the
> environment...radiation, carpets  on and on.
>
> ode
>
>
>
> At 05:29 PM 9/20/2010 -0700, you wrote:
> >Dr. Jerry Tennant was interviewed on
> ><http://www.coasttocoastam.com>www.coasttocoastam.com July 21, 2010.
> >He has found all cells in the body need between -20 MV and -25 MV
> >Larry Lytle has his Q-1000 laser as well. see youtube
> >
> >On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:24 PM, needling around
> ><<mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net>ptf2...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >Hi,
> >I was recently watching a video that was recommended and the doctor
> >suggested using a voltage meter to measure the voltage of different points
> >on the body.  I was wondering if anyone has ever tried this and if there
> >are any caveats?
> >Thanks.
> >PT
> >
>
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RE: CS>voltage meter

[Rafael Villegas]

David Sereda does this. Also sells things to help keep healthy voltage
differential. http://www.voiceentertainment.net/

-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:39 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter

   I think Tennant is scamming ya'll.

What you are measuring is related to galvanic skin 
response..probably..capacitive discharge pathways for an uneven 
electro-potential and wetter and dryer areas of skin being connected by the 
meter.

Your skin is always picking up and discharging electrons from the 
environment...radiation, carpets  on and on.

ode



At 05:29 PM 9/20/2010 -0700, you wrote:
>Dr. Jerry Tennant was interviewed on 
><http://www.coasttocoastam.com>www.coasttocoastam.com July 21, 2010.
>He has found all cells in the body need between -20 MV and -25 MV
>Larry Lytle has his Q-1000 laser as well. see youtube
>
>On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:24 PM, needling around 
><<mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net>ptf2...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Hi,
>I was recently watching a video that was recommended and the doctor 
>suggested using a voltage meter to measure the voltage of different points 
>on the body.  I was wondering if anyone has ever tried this and if there 
>are any caveats?
>Thanks.
>PT
>


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Re: CS>voltage meter

[Don Barnes]

>From talk www.coasttocoastam.com 7-21-10

Dr. Jerry Tennant www.tennantinstitute.com  972-580-1156 and Dr Mark Starr
-- If all of your bioterminals average out at -10 millivolts you are a
thyroid patient until proven otherwise.
-- At normal body voltage save the kidney at 5 millivolts, that is a dental
infection until proven otherwise.
-- All cells in an adult run ∆ -20 to -25 millivolts. Proper nutrition and
voltage are the secrets to longevity
-- More Larry Lytle *H**ealth is Light

*
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Don Barnes  wrote:

> Dr. Jerry Tennant was interviewed on www.coasttocoastam.com July 21,
> 2010.
> He has found all cells in the body need between -20 MV and -25 MV
> Larry Lytle has his Q-1000 laser as well. see youtube
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:24 PM, needling around wrote:
>
>>  Hi,
>> I was recently watching a video that was recommended and the doctor
>> suggested using a voltage meter to measure the voltage of different points
>> on the body.  I was wondering if anyone has ever tried this and if there are
>> any caveats?
>> Thanks.
>> PT
>>
>
>

Re: CS>voltage meter

[Ode Coyote]

  I think Tennant is scamming ya'll.

What you are measuring is related to galvanic skin 
response..probably..capacitive discharge pathways for an uneven 
electro-potential and wetter and dryer areas of skin being connected by the 
meter.


Your skin is always picking up and discharging electrons from the 
environment...radiation, carpets  on and on.


ode



At 05:29 PM 9/20/2010 -0700, you wrote:
Dr. Jerry Tennant was interviewed on 
www.coasttocoastam.com July 21, 2010.

He has found all cells in the body need between -20 MV and -25 MV
Larry Lytle has his Q-1000 laser as well. see youtube

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:24 PM, needling around 
<ptf2...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Hi,
I was recently watching a video that was recommended and the doctor 
suggested using a voltage meter to measure the voltage of different points 
on the body.  I was wondering if anyone has ever tried this and if there 
are any caveats?

Thanks.
PT




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Re: CS>voltage meter

[needling around]

Hi,
You might want to look into the Russian scenar devices of Dr. Karasev.  >From 
what I have read of Tennant's work his unit seems to be patterned after the 
Russian devices.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim Holmes 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:17 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>voltage meter


  Hello all,

  I am interested in any opinions and comments and discussion of the work of 
Gerry Tennant that anyone can offer.

  TIA,

   Jim 


  On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Norton, Steve  
wrote:

I would very much like to know just what voltage Dr. Tennant is talking 
about. If you are not grounded and in an RF shielded room, you are very likely 
to measure voltage potentials caused by static charges or outside 
electromagnetic signals. I have read that you are also able to pick up small 
electrical potential variations going through the skin when muscles are 
contracting and relaxing.. With a bit of testing and practice you can raise, 
lower and reverse the polarity of the tiny voltages present on your skin.

If he is talking about voltage across a cell membrane I don't see how that 
is possible. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nernst_equation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_equation

The voltage level of -20 mV and -25 mV would seem to relate to a cell 
membrane voltage but you cannot measure a single cell's membrane voltage 
potential.

In his video he moves his whatchamacallit across the skin looking for dry 
areas and says that they indicate areas of low voltage potential. But you would 
measure skin resistivity to find those areas not voltage. I don't think you can 
use a voltmeter to measure anything relevant.

 - Steve N


From: Don Barnes [mailto:donfi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 5:29 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: donfi...@gmail.com
Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: CS>voltage meter


Dr. Jerry Tennant was interviewed on www.coasttocoastam.com July 21, 2010. 
He has found all cells in the body need between -20 MV and -25 MV
Larry Lytle has his Q-1000 laser as well. see youtube  
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:24 PM, needling around  
wrote:
Hi,
I was recently watching a video that was recommended and the doctor 
suggested using a voltage meter to measure the voltage of different points on 
the body.  I was wondering if anyone has ever tried this and if there are any 
caveats?
Thanks.
PT



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Re: CS>voltage meter

[Jim Holmes]

Hello all,

I am interested in any opinions and comments and discussion of the work of
Gerry Tennant that anyone can offer.

TIA,

 Jim

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Norton, Steve wrote:

> I would very much like to know just what voltage Dr. Tennant is talking
> about. If you are not grounded and in an RF shielded room, you are very
> likely to measure voltage potentials caused by static charges or outside
> electromagnetic signals. I have read that you are also able to pick up small
> electrical potential variations going through the skin when muscles are
> contracting and relaxing.. With a bit of testing and practice you can raise,
> lower and reverse the polarity of the tiny voltages present on your skin.
>
> If he is talking about voltage across a cell membrane I don't see how that
> is possible. See:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nernst_equation
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_equation
>
> The voltage level of -20 mV and -25 mV would seem to relate to a cell
> membrane voltage but you cannot measure a single cell's membrane voltage
> potential.
>
> In his video he moves his whatchamacallit across the skin looking for dry
> areas and says that they indicate areas of low voltage potential. But you
> would measure skin resistivity to find those areas not voltage. I don't
> think you can use a voltmeter to measure anything relevant.
>
>  - Steve N
>
>
> From: Don Barnes [mailto:donfi...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 5:29 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Cc: donfi...@gmail.com
> Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: CS>voltage meter
>
> Dr. Jerry Tennant was interviewed on www.coasttocoastam.com July 21,
> 2010.
> He has found all cells in the body need between -20 MV and -25 MV
> Larry Lytle has his Q-1000 laser as well. see youtube
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:24 PM, needling around 
> wrote:
> Hi,
> I was recently watching a video that was recommended and the doctor
> suggested using a voltage meter to measure the voltage of different points
> on the body.  I was wondering if anyone has ever tried this and if there are
> any caveats?
> Thanks.
> PT
>
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Re: CS>voltage meter

[Norton, Steve]

I would very much like to know just what voltage Dr. Tennant is talking about. 
If you are not grounded and in an RF shielded room, you are very likely to 
measure voltage potentials caused by static charges or outside electromagnetic 
signals. I have read that you are also able to pick up small electrical 
potential variations going through the skin when muscles are contracting and 
relaxing.. With a bit of testing and practice you can raise, lower and reverse 
the polarity of the tiny voltages present on your skin.

If he is talking about voltage across a cell membrane I don't see how that is 
possible. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nernst_equation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_equation

The voltage level of -20 mV and -25 mV would seem to relate to a cell membrane 
voltage but you cannot measure a single cell's membrane voltage potential. 

In his video he moves his whatchamacallit across the skin looking for dry areas 
and says that they indicate areas of low voltage potential. But you would 
measure skin resistivity to find those areas not voltage. I don't think you can 
use a voltmeter to measure anything relevant.

 - Steve N


From: Don Barnes [mailto:donfi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 5:29 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: donfi...@gmail.com
Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: CS>voltage meter

Dr. Jerry Tennant was interviewed on www.coasttocoastam.com July 21, 2010. 
He has found all cells in the body need between -20 MV and -25 MV
Larry Lytle has his Q-1000 laser as well. see youtube  
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:24 PM, needling around  wrote:
Hi,
I was recently watching a video that was recommended and the doctor suggested 
using a voltage meter to measure the voltage of different points on the body.  
I was wondering if anyone has ever tried this and if there are any caveats?
Thanks.
PT


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Re: CS>voltage meter

[Don Barnes]

Dr. Jerry Tennant was interviewed on www.coasttocoastam.com July 21, 2010.
He has found all cells in the body need between -20 MV and -25 MV
Larry Lytle has his Q-1000 laser as well. see youtube

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:24 PM, needling around wrote:

>  Hi,
> I was recently watching a video that was recommended and the doctor
> suggested using a voltage meter to measure the voltage of different points
> on the body.  I was wondering if anyone has ever tried this and if there are
> any caveats?
> Thanks.
> PT
>