Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial
By comparison of the cost of the two units- The new Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator is regularly priced at only $339.95, but if you act within the next 15 days you pay only $239.95 -- a whopping $100 savings! Or, purchase two of these amazing new units and get each one for only $219.95 per unit You're kidding, right? Faith Gagne jitte...@gis.net wrote: The SilverEdge does a great job as well. No one is agonizing. Faith G. - Original Message - From:CarolAnn To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:50PM Subject: Re: CSInfo about the bestgeneratrorfor collodial For crying out loud. Go with Ode's - if you want a simplemachine that does the job. Stop agonizing. Faith Gagne jitte...@gis.net wrote: Or check out this selection of generators: http://www.thesilveredge.com/gen.shtml Faith G. -Original Message - From:CarolAnn To:silver-list@eskimo.com Sent:Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:17 PM Subject:RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial http://www.silverpuppy.com/ MaryEllen Murphy maryelle...@bellsouth.netwrote:What are some other generators that are Ionic silver -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable particle of any element. Don't confuse the poor girl. I respect Frank Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be too sick to understand. Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking about ions. My generator certainly produces ions, which are the smallest pieces of silver that can exist. kathryn On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Jim Meissner yahoo wrote: Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Regards,Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html Regards, Carol Ann ~ The onlything that is different is how youthink.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html
Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial
If you have what you want you should be fine with it. Faith G. - Original Message - From: Carol Ann To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial By comparison of the cost of the two units- The new Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator is regularly priced at only $339.95, but if you act within the next 15 days you pay only $239.95 -- a whopping $100 savings! Or, purchase two of these amazing new units and get each one for only $219.95 per unit You're kidding, right? Faith Gagne jitte...@gis.net wrote: The SilverEdge does a great job as well. No one is agonizing. Faith G. - Original Message - From: Carol Ann To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:50 PM Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial For crying out loud. Go with Ode's - if you want a simple machine that does the job. Stop agonizing. Faith Gagne jitte...@gis.net wrote: Or check out this selection of generators: http://www.thesilveredge.com/gen.shtml Faith G. - Original Message - From: Carol Ann To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial http://www.silverpuppy.com/ Mary Ellen Murphy maryelle...@bellsouth.net wrote: What are some other generators that are Ionic silver -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable particle of any element. Don't confuse the poor girl. I respect Frank Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be too sick to understand. Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking about ions. My generator certainly produces ions, which are the smallest pieces of silver that can exist. kathryn On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Jim Meissner yahoo wrote: Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html
Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial
For crying out loud. Go with Ode's - if you want a simple machine that does the job. Stop agonizing. Faith Gagne jitte...@gis.net wrote: Or check out this selection of generators: http://www.thesilveredge.com/gen.shtml Faith G. - Original Message - From:CarolAnn To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: RE: CSInfo about the bestgeneratrorfor collodial http://www.silverpuppy.com/ MaryEllen Murphy maryelle...@bellsouth.netwrote: What are some other generators that are Ionic silver -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable particle of any element. Don't confuse the poor girl. I respect Frank Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be too sick to understand. Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking about ions. My generator certainly produces ions, which are the smallest pieces of silver that can exist. kathryn On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Jim Meissner yahoo wrote: Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Regards,Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how youthink.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html
Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial
The SilverEdge does a great job as well. No one is agonizing. Faith G. - Original Message - From: Carol Ann To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:50 PM Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial For crying out loud. Go with Ode's - if you want a simple machine that does the job. Stop agonizing. Faith Gagne jitte...@gis.net wrote: Or check out this selection of generators: http://www.thesilveredge.com/gen.shtml Faith G. - Original Message - From: Carol Ann To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial http://www.silverpuppy.com/ Mary Ellen Murphy maryelle...@bellsouth.net wrote: What are some other generators that are Ionic silver -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable particle of any element. Don't confuse the poor girl. I respect Frank Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be too sick to understand. Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking about ions. My generator certainly produces ions, which are the smallest pieces of silver that can exist. kathryn On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Jim Meissner yahoo wrote: Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html
Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial
LOL... I second that. Hanneke At 11:20 AM 20/06/2008, you wrote: For crying out loud. Go with Ode's - if you want a simple machine that does the job. Stop agonizing. Faith Gagne jitte...@gis.net wrote: Or check out this selection of generators: http://www.thesilveredge.com/gen.shtml Faith G. - Original Message - From: Carol Ann To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial http://www.silverpuppy.com/ Mary Ellen Murphy maryelle...@bellsouth.net wrote: What are some other generators that are Ionic silver -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [ mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable particle of any element. Don't confuse the poor girl. I respect Frank Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be too sick to understand. Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking about ions. My generator certainly produces ions, which are the smallest pieces of silver that can exist. kathryn On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Jim Meissner yahoo wrote: Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Mary Ellen Murphy [ mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1510 - Release Date: 19/06/2008 3:21 PM
RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial
after 1 day, 15uS after 2 days, 17uS, 18uS, 20us, and so on. There seems to be a limiting phenomenon where the ion content of the solution remains constant while day by day the particle content increases slightly. The size of the particles is 2 to 3 nanometers. It is interesting that the Hanna PWT displays a 1 to 1 relationship with the PPM silver concentration. I would be very interested to have you run some test on the generator to see what you think. If you would send me your address I will send you a generator to play with. Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:24 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial ## but they're not metallic particles until they .pick up an electron. But free electrons don't exist in water. It's possible that electrons can gather on the surface of glass, acting as a capacitor, coming from electromagnetic radiation being converted into electrons by the semi metallic and metallic components of the glass acting like a [bad] solar cell...thus, you may see some silver plate out build up on the glass as silver ions are being made metallic. A Harvard study pointed to the surface of glass as being a crystal nucleation site where particles form and grow into clusters. If you illuminate and magnify a CS making chamber and don't stir the water, if there is enough [DC] current flowing, you'll see brownish gold particles streaming off one electrode and white ones streaming off the other. The streams sink towards each other but vanish where they contact the glass at the bottom. At that spot a silver mirror will form with a black oxide spot on one side of it and a white hydroxide spot on the other. Why? I dunno. Maybe this, maybe that and maybe a combination of both with other things thrown in...like..electrons on the glass surface? If current is reduced, the golden stream doesn't form. Why? Most likely because almost all the oxides stay stuck to the electrode. Every time I've seen that golden stream, I made golden CS. Ode EIS/CS forms silver ions in solution which are single atoms of silver... but they're not metallic particles until they happen to get together. the particulate portion of EIS/CS varies in particle size, some of them surely being as small as is possible, but they tend to grow over time eventually falling out. so then we come back to which works, particles or ions? or which works best? again again, ad nauseum. -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:32 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make colloidal silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not and a lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an atom is a as small as you can get and that's what they all do. Thanks Mary Ellen -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM To: Silver-List@Eskimo.Com Subject: FW: CSDesperately need help with Lyme Dear Mike: I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol alerted me to the Lyme discussion going on. A long story very short, Carol got bitten by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new way of treating Lyme disease. Take a look at the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus . Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other diseases. We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme for over 14 years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses. It took about 6 months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel like she was 90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%. During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every day for 3 or 4 months. She found that when she dropped back to a lower dosage, her
RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial
You wrote: If Faith's CS works for her purposes, what's the problem? The original post said: I'm sure it works fairly well, but not the best (sorry Wayne) generator for the price. So the original issue was value for the price paid. The generator appears to be timed with an external timer, probably not current regulated, and incorporates an air pump for stirring. All of which is fine, but pretty basic. Cost is $236. Dan -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:22 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Faith is perfectly correct in her statement, even accordingly to our sage, Brooks Bradly. All you NEED is CS strong enough to be effective, and you can tell that by trial. Brooks has told us that 5 ppm is EFFECTIVE for most insults. You don't NEED to measure anything. You can SEE clear. We KNOW golden is OK. All the rest is just screwing around for the fun of it, or verifying measurements for claims so as to sell CS or CS makers. If Faith's CS works for her purposes, what's the problem? Chuck If words could speak, I wonder what they'd say On 6/17/2008 5:24:49 PM, sol (sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com) wrote: You wrote: I don;t know how can you judge, never having used it yourself, Faith, Several people here have been doing CS for a very long time, many years, some of them have replied to you already. They DO know enough to judge, because they know the mechanics and science behind making colloidal silver. In fact, they know a lot of basic chemistry, electromagnetics, electricity, and so on. So they are qualified to critique this or any generator, knowing the manufacturer's claims. What ppm or uS is your finished CS? Have you used a water test meter to test it? Since your unit uses a timer, it doesn't seem like it could include any current controls. What voltage does it operate at? I find it curious you can make reliably clear CS, unless it is low ppm. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Even so, Dan, Payback is still well under a year in doctor/medicine bills paid out that the CS eliminates. And she has an effective health immune system booster forever after now. Doesn't seem so awful a price at $236 now, does it? People without technical skills always have to pay the plumber, carpenter, etc. But, they don't have to go without, or even search for the cheapest handyman. Chuck I'm killing time, wasting space, and going through a phase On 6/18/2008 10:43:44 AM, Dan Nave (dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com) wrote: You wrote: If Faith's CS works for her purposes, what's the problem? The original post said: I'm sure it works fairly well, but not the best (sorry Wayne) generator for the price. So the original issue was value for the price paid. The generator appears to be timed with an external timer, probably not current regulated, and incorporates an air pump for stirring. All of which is fine, but pretty basic. Cost is $236. Dan -Original Message No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1507 - Release Date: 6/18/2008 7:09 AM
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You pay for what you get, but you don't always get what you pay for... - Dan Nave -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 10:52 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Even so, Dan, Payback is still well under a year in doctor/medicine bills paid out that the CS eliminates. And she has an effective health immune system booster forever after now. Doesn't seem so awful a price at $236 now, does it? People without technical skills always have to pay the plumber, carpenter, etc. But, they don't have to go without, or even search for the cheapest handyman. Chuck I'm killing time, wasting space, and going through a phase On 6/18/2008 10:43:44 AM, Dan Nave (dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com) wrote: You wrote: If Faith's CS works for her purposes, what's the problem? The original post said: I'm sure it works fairly well, but not the best (sorry Wayne) generator for the price. So the original issue was value for the price paid. The generator appears to be timed with an external timer, probably not current regulated, and incorporates an air pump for stirring. All of which is fine, but pretty basic. Cost is $236. Dan -Original Message -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Mary Ellen, According to the blood test I don't have it, but I have a number of the symptoms. I live in tick country and have been nailed by them more times than I could count - if I even wanted to. I've had the rash circle around the bite site too. I doubt I'm cured, but it's pretty much under control. I don't know anything about the salt and vitamin C protocol, but I am a saltetarian - I like salt and use lots of it on my food; and I take vitamin C as a matter of general good health - [at least when I remember to] - a gram or two a day and maybe six grams a day if I'm feeling yucky. I get the kid's stuff that tastes better, 500 mg tablets, two at a time. I try to be nice to, and care for, myself; - I really like me - only me I've got, after all. You do the same; take care of yourself. Malcolm On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 18:54 -0500, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote: Did you have Lyme. Are you cured with just doing the colloidal silver. Has anyone on this site been cured. How do you feel about the salt/vit C protocol Thanks for your info Mary Ellen -Original Message- From: Malcolm [mailto:s...@asis.com] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 5:33 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Hi Mary Ellen, I've been making my own colloidal silver with my own home-made generator for about ten years now; it's a current-controlled generator and has worked very well, producing high quality high strength CS. I don't make generators for other people, mainly because it costs too much in time and money for me to do so; I leave it to others who wish to do it as a business. I've paid attention to what others have been doing who Are in that business. I haven't gone about testing everyone else's, But I can tell you what I have noticed. along with many other people's judgements, the Silver Puppy rates very high with me, and so does the SilverGen. http://silverpuppy.com http://www.silvergen.com/ And PLEASE, take the advice of those who are urging you to check out the Lyme lists. This is what is called an Emerging Disease so the people who've got it are on the leading edge of the research about it. http://www.lymediseaseassociation.org/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/lymeinfo/ There are lots of these. Take care of yourself, ok? On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 18:14 -0500, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote: What are some other generators that are Ionic silver -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable particle of any element. Don't confuse the poor girl. I respect Frank Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be too sick to understand. Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking about ions. My generator certainly produces ions, which are the smallest pieces of silver that can exist. kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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1] A timer cannot work to reproduce any consistency batch to batch. Minor differences in water make major differences in time and no two jugs of water are the same. 1.) The Brand New Micro-Particle Home Colloidal Silver Generator -- Over a year and a half in development, [back in 1970?] this brand new model has been specifically designed to produce micro-particles of colloidal silver as small as http://www.thesilveredge.com/mp5.shtml.0008 microns (i.e., eight ten-thousandths of a micron) in size - so small they are completely invisible to the naked eye and barely visible even when you shine a laser light through the solution. In fact, it takes a powerful electron microscope operating at 175,000x magnification to measure them! 2] An electron microscope cannot measure the particle size of ANYTHING in a liquid and those particles BEING measured don't exist in the liquid to BE measured. What they've done is oxidize the ions into silver oxide by drying the sample so an electron microscope can be used, to make bigger particles so they can *say* they are smaller by using the wrong tool to measure something that doesn't exist in the water...at all. Like the battery-operated unit it makes 16 ounces of pure high-quality colloidal silver per batch. It is calibrated to make 1 ppm colloidal silver per minute using the saline starter solution, or 10 ppm per hour without the saline starter solution. It is extremely simple to use - no special skills required Very simple to use if you don't mind having no idea what's going on. If you had any special skills, you *wouldn't* used it...or at least you'd know better than to follow those directions...very simple to mis-use and not know you did. 1 PPM per minute cannot be true if you don't know where you started...if anything even close to being predictable, it's one PPM per minute, *per minute* until a current limit is reached...if ...it ever is reached or there is one built into it TO reachwith the very important first segment starting point unknowable. Never never never use salt... but if you don't mind making light sensitive silver chloride, one single grain extra will throw all PPM predictions right out the window. I believe that every case of blue-man attributed to home made colloidal silver was due to mis-using this type of generator and not knowing it...while following those directions, not knowing how faulty they can be. What a dinosaur. I'll work, but not very well unless you know what you're doing and devise or buy instruments to monitor it. If you do do that, you'll know exactly why it can't work as claimed because it won't work that way and the instruments will tell you so. But then, you CAN work with it the way it DOES work...and that'll work OK. James Allison http://www.sunstoneherbals.com/ might still be selling something like it [with real instructions?] for $40-$50. Humm, looks like he quit selling decently priced dinosaurs. Maybe too dangerous for common folk? Still sells the instruments to herd them though. Ode At 07:45 AM 6/16/2008 -0400, you wrote: Or check out this selection of generators: http://www.thesilveredge.com/gen.shtmlhttp://www.thesilveredge.com/gen.shtml Faith G. - Original Message - From: mailto:saffiresk...@yahoo.comCarol Ann To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial http://www.silverpuppy.com/http://www.silverpuppy.com/ Mary Ellen Murphy mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.netmaryelle...@bellsouth.net wrote: What are some other generators that are Ionic silver -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:08 PM To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable particle of any element. Don't confuse the poor girl. I respect Frank Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be too sick to understand. Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking about ions. My generator certainly produces ions, which are the smallest pieces of silver that can exist. kathryn On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Jim Meissner yahoo wrote: Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver
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## but they're not metallic particles until they .pick up an electron. But free electrons don't exist in water. It's possible that electrons can gather on the surface of glass, acting as a capacitor, coming from electromagnetic radiation being converted into electrons by the semi metallic and metallic components of the glass acting like a [bad] solar cell...thus, you may see some silver plate out build up on the glass as silver ions are being made metallic. A Harvard study pointed to the surface of glass as being a crystal nucleation site where particles form and grow into clusters. If you illuminate and magnify a CS making chamber and don't stir the water, if there is enough [DC] current flowing, you'll see brownish gold particles streaming off one electrode and white ones streaming off the other. The streams sink towards each other but vanish where they contact the glass at the bottom. At that spot a silver mirror will form with a black oxide spot on one side of it and a white hydroxide spot on the other. Why? I dunno. Maybe this, maybe that and maybe a combination of both with other things thrown in...like..electrons on the glass surface? If current is reduced, the golden stream doesn't form. Why? Most likely because almost all the oxides stay stuck to the electrode. Every time I've seen that golden stream, I made golden CS. Ode EIS/CS forms silver ions in solution which are single atoms of silver... but they're not metallic particles until they happen to get together. the particulate portion of EIS/CS varies in particle size, some of them surely being as small as is possible, but they tend to grow over time eventually falling out. so then we come back to which works, particles or ions? or which works best? again again, ad nauseum. -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:32 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make colloidal silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not and a lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an atom is a as small as you can get and that's what they all do. Thanks Mary Ellen -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM To: Silver-List@Eskimo.Com Subject: FW: CSDesperately need help with Lyme Dear Mike: I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol alerted me to the Lyme discussion going on. A long story very short, Carol got bitten by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new way of treating Lyme disease. Take a look at the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus . Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other diseases. We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme for over 14 years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses. It took about 6 months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel like she was 90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%. During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every day for 3 or 4 months. She found that when she dropped back to a lower dosage, her herx, fever and chills, would get worse. Please note this high dosage should only be done with well made colloidal silver http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator containing only nano size particles. My generator was tested by Frank Key who makes the smallest possible particles of 0.75 nanometer as found in MesoSilver. Anyway I would like to ask if it would be OK to post the DougPlus link on your CS group? Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:09 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDesperately need help with Lyme Mary Ellen Murphy wrote: What type of symtoms did you have. I suffer with a lot of pain, fagigue, brain fog, back and neck problems, thyroid and addison's
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Hi SamL. I believe you are describing their small battery operated unit, a unit so simple that even a child could run it. I don't know why they are showing a bag of salt with that generator when their video says to NEVER USE SALT. For more information on that you would have to call the company. I selected and use the Micro Particle home colloidal Silver Generator. It does not use salt. I was actually unaware that any of their models use salt. .On the advice of friends I quickly settled on the model I wanted and did not bother with the others. My model is great. It is easy to use, is completely automatic with easy to follow instructions, and shuts off in about 3 hours, giving perfect results every time. Here's a video of it. http://www.thesilveredge.com/vidclip.shtml But if you don't like this one, find one you do like. That is everyone's perogative. MaryEllen asked about other generators and so I am showing the one I like best. Best wishes. Faith G. - Original Message - From: Sam L. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Hi Faith. I wouldnt be recommending this CS generator. Heres a quote from there web page. ( Therefore, if you want a good high-quality concentration of 10 ppm, you just leave the generator running for about 10 minutes. If you want a stronger concentration of 20 ppm, you leave the generator running for about 20 minutes. You can even make highly concentrated batches of colloidal silver, in the 100 to 500 ppm range, by letting the generator run longer. ) Obviusly they are using salt water instead of distilled water and even show a bag of salt next to there generator. Just a word to the wise. Sam L. On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Faith Gagne jitte...@gis.net wrote: Or check out this selection of generators: http://www.thesilveredge.com/gen.shtml Faith G. - Original Message - From: Carol Ann To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial http://www.silverpuppy.com/ Mary Ellen Murphy maryelle...@bellsouth.net wrote: What are some other generators that are Ionic silver
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I'm sure it works fairly well, but not the best (sorry Wayne) generator for the price. Dan From: Faith Gagne [mailto:jitte...@gis.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:33 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Hi SamL. I believe you are describing their small battery operated unit, a unit so simple that even a child could run it. I don't know why they are showing a bag of salt with that generator when their video says to NEVER USE SALT. For more information on that you would have to call the company. I selected and use the Micro Particle home colloidal Silver Generator. It does not use salt. I was actually unaware that any of their models use salt. .On the advice of friends I quickly settled on the model I wanted and did not bother with the others. My model is great. It is easy to use, is completely automatic with easy to follow instructions, and shuts off in about 3 hours, giving perfect results every time. Here's a video of it. http://www.thesilveredge.com/vidclip.shtml But if you don't like this one, find one you do like. That is everyone's perogative. MaryEllen asked about other generators and so I am showing the one I like best. Best wishes. Faith G. - Original Message - From: Sam L. mailto:one...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Hi Faith. I wouldnt be recommending this CS generator. Heres a quote from there web page. ( Therefore, if you want a good high-quality concentration of 10 ppm, you just leave the generator running for about 10 minutes. If you want a stronger concentration of 20 ppm, you leave the generator running for about 20 minutes. You can even make highly concentrated batches of colloidal silver, in the 100 to 500 ppm range, by letting the generator run longer. ) Obviusly they are using salt water instead of distilled water and even show a bag of salt next to there generator. Just a word to the wise. Sam L. On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Faith Gagne jitte...@gis.net wrote: Or check out this selection of generators: http://www.thesilveredge.com/gen.shtml Faith G. - Original Message - From: Carol Ann mailto:saffiresk...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial http://www.silverpuppy.com/ Mary Ellen Murphy maryelle...@bellsouth.net wrote: What are some other generators that are Ionic silver
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It works extremely well, not just 'fairly' well. I don;t know how can you judge, never having used it yourself, but it doesn't matter to me. I am satisfied with what I've got.Faith G. - Original Message - From: Dan Nave To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial I'm sure it works fairly well, but not the best (sorry Wayne) generator for the price. Dan From: Faith Gagne [mailto:jitte...@gis.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:33 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Hi SamL. I believe you are describing their small battery operated unit, a unit so simple that even a child could run it. I don't know why they are showing a bag of salt with that generator when their video says to NEVER USE SALT. For more information on that you would have to call the company. I selected and use the Micro Particle home colloidal Silver Generator. It does not use salt. I was actually unaware that any of their models use salt. .On the advice of friends I quickly settled on the model I wanted and did not bother with the others. My model is great. It is easy to use, is completely automatic with easy to follow instructions, and shuts off in about 3 hours, giving perfect results every time. Here's a video of it. http://www.thesilveredge.com/vidclip.shtml But if you don't like this one, find one you do like. That is everyone's perogative. MaryEllen asked about other generators and so I am showing the one I like best. Best wishes. Faith G. - Original Message - From: Sam L. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Hi Faith. I wouldnt be recommending this CS generator. Heres a quote from there web page. ( Therefore, if you want a good high-quality concentration of 10 ppm, you just leave the generator running for about 10 minutes. If you want a stronger concentration of 20 ppm, you leave the generator running for about 20 minutes. You can even make highly concentrated batches of colloidal silver, in the 100 to 500 ppm range, by letting the generator run longer. ) Obviusly they are using salt water instead of distilled water and even show a bag of salt next to there generator. Just a word to the wise. Sam L. On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Faith Gagne jitte...@gis.net wrote: Or check out this selection of generators: http://www.thesilveredge.com/gen.shtml Faith G. - Original Message - From: Carol Ann To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial http://www.silverpuppy.com/ Mary Ellen Murphy maryelle...@bellsouth.net wrote: What are some other generators that are Ionic silver
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You wrote: I don;t know how can you judge, never having used it yourself, Because I know a thing or two, and I have a mind that actually thinks... Dan From: Faith Gagne [mailto:jitte...@gis.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:09 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial It works extremely well, not just 'fairly' well. I don;t know how can you judge, never having used it yourself, but it doesn't matter to me. I am satisfied with what I've got.Faith G. - Original Message - From: Dan Nave mailto:dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial I'm sure it works fairly well, but not the best (sorry Wayne) generator for the price. Dan From: Faith Gagne [mailto:jitte...@gis.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:33 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Hi SamL. I believe you are describing their small battery operated unit, a unit so simple that even a child could run it. I don't know why they are showing a bag of salt with that generator when their video says to NEVER USE SALT. For more information on that you would have to call the company. I selected and use the Micro Particle home colloidal Silver Generator. It does not use salt. I was actually unaware that any of their models use salt. .On the advice of friends I quickly settled on the model I wanted and did not bother with the others. My model is great. It is easy to use, is completely automatic with easy to follow instructions, and shuts off in about 3 hours, giving perfect results every time. Here's a video of it. http://www.thesilveredge.com/vidclip.shtml But if you don't like this one, find one you do like. That is everyone's perogative. MaryEllen asked about other generators and so I am showing the one I like best. Best wishes. Faith G. - Original Message - From: Sam L. mailto:one...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Hi Faith. I wouldnt be recommending this CS generator. Heres a quote from there web page. ( Therefore, if you want a good high-quality concentration of 10 ppm, you just leave the generator running for about 10 minutes. If you want a stronger concentration of 20 ppm, you leave the generator running for about 20 minutes. You can even make highly concentrated batches of colloidal silver, in the 100 to 500 ppm range, by letting the generator run longer. ) Obviusly they are using salt water instead of distilled water and even show a bag of salt next to there generator. Just a word to the wise. Sam L. On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Faith Gagne jitte...@gis.net wrote: Or check out this selection of generators: http://www.thesilveredge.com/gen.shtml Faith G. - Original Message - From: Carol Ann mailto:saffiresk...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial http://www.silverpuppy.com/ Mary Ellen Murphy maryelle...@bellsouth.net wrote: What are some other generators that are Ionic silver
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Dear Ode: I have found what you say to be true. With my generator design, that is with the 3 volt, ultra low voltage and low current, the positive electrode wire becomes slightly black. One slight disadvantage of using such low voltage is that poor quality distilled water will turn the positive electrode very black and stop the process and the generator will not make colloidal silver. Probably the high voltage of standard generators breaks down this layer. On the other hand it might be a good thing because why make colloidal silver with poor quality water. The other interesting thing that happens using low voltage and low current is that the solution saturates with ions at 13.5 PPM and after that the excess ions come out of the solution and become metallic silver crystals adhering to the negative electrode. I tell my customers that when they see some silver fuzz one the negative electrode, they are done. After a few days you can see a beautiful upside down Christmas tree hanging from the negative electrode. The typical reading on the Hanna PWT will be 5uS after 1 day, 15uS after 2 days, 17uS, 18uS, 20us, and so on. There seems to be a limiting phenomenon where the ion content of the solution remains constant while day by day the particle content increases slightly. The size of the particles is 2 to 3 nanometers. It is interesting that the Hanna PWT displays a 1 to 1 relationship with the PPM silver concentration. I would be very interested to have you run some test on the generator to see what you think. If you would send me your address I will send you a generator to play with. Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:24 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial ## but they're not metallic particles until they .pick up an electron. But free electrons don't exist in water. It's possible that electrons can gather on the surface of glass, acting as a capacitor, coming from electromagnetic radiation being converted into electrons by the semi metallic and metallic components of the glass acting like a [bad] solar cell...thus, you may see some silver plate out build up on the glass as silver ions are being made metallic. A Harvard study pointed to the surface of glass as being a crystal nucleation site where particles form and grow into clusters. If you illuminate and magnify a CS making chamber and don't stir the water, if there is enough [DC] current flowing, you'll see brownish gold particles streaming off one electrode and white ones streaming off the other. The streams sink towards each other but vanish where they contact the glass at the bottom. At that spot a silver mirror will form with a black oxide spot on one side of it and a white hydroxide spot on the other. Why? I dunno. Maybe this, maybe that and maybe a combination of both with other things thrown in...like..electrons on the glass surface? If current is reduced, the golden stream doesn't form. Why? Most likely because almost all the oxides stay stuck to the electrode. Every time I've seen that golden stream, I made golden CS. Ode EIS/CS forms silver ions in solution which are single atoms of silver... but they're not metallic particles until they happen to get together. the particulate portion of EIS/CS varies in particle size, some of them surely being as small as is possible, but they tend to grow over time eventually falling out. so then we come back to which works, particles or ions? or which works best? again again, ad nauseum. -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:32 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make colloidal silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not and a lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an atom is a as small as you can get and that's what they all do. Thanks Mary Ellen
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You wrote: I don;t know how can you judge, never having used it yourself, Faith, Several people here have been doing CS for a very long time, many years, some of them have replied to you already. They DO know enough to judge, because they know the mechanics and science behind making colloidal silver. In fact, they know a lot of basic chemistry, electromagnetics, electricity, and so on. So they are qualified to critique this or any generator, knowing the manufacturer's claims. What ppm or uS is your finished CS? Have you used a water test meter to test it? Since your unit uses a timer, it doesn't seem like it could include any current controls. What voltage does it operate at? I find it curious you can make reliably clear CS, unless it is low ppm. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Faith is perfectly correct in her statement, even accordingly to our sage, Brooks Bradly. All you NEED is CS strong enough to be effective, and you can tell that by trial. Brooks has told us that 5 ppm is EFFECTIVE for most insults. You don't NEED to measure anything. You can SEE clear. We KNOW golden is OK. All the rest is just screwing around for the fun of it, or verifying measurements for claims so as to sell CS or CS makers. If Faith's CS works for her purposes, what's the problem? Chuck If words could speak, I wonder what they'd say On 6/17/2008 5:24:49 PM, sol (sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com) wrote: You wrote: I don;t know how can you judge, never having used it yourself, Faith, Several people here have been doing CS for a very long time, many years, some of them have replied to you already. They DO know enough to judge, because they know the mechanics and science behind making colloidal silver. In fact, they know a lot of basic chemistry, electromagnetics, electricity, and so on. So they are qualified to critique this or any generator, knowing the manufacturer's claims. What ppm or uS is your finished CS? Have you used a water test meter to test it? Since your unit uses a timer, it doesn't seem like it could include any current controls. What voltage does it operate at? I find it curious you can make reliably clear CS, unless it is low ppm. sol No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1505 - Release Date: 6/16/2008 7:20 AM
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It is the same principle as people using the word 'germs'. To most folk who aren't into A-level literacy, this cover anything i.e. Pathogens, bacteria, viruses etc., I don't think it matters how literally correct we are, (especially when one is upset and ill) as long as we understand what a person means. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Jim Meissner yahoo Date: 15/06/2008 23:34:58 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Dear Kathryn: but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking about ions Mary Ellen used the word atoms. There are ions, atoms and particles and they are different things. I do not think it is nick picking when someone uses the wrong words. An ion is an incomplete atom and yes it will be smaller than an atom. Most homemade generators produce mostly ions.
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Or check out this selection of generators: http://www.thesilveredge.com/gen.shtml Faith G. - Original Message - From: Carol Ann To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial http://www.silverpuppy.com/ Mary Ellen Murphy maryelle...@bellsouth.net wrote: What are some other generators that are Ionic silver -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable particle of any element. Don't confuse the poor girl. I respect Frank Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be too sick to understand. Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking about ions. My generator certainly produces ions, which are the smallest pieces of silver that can exist. kathryn On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Jim Meissner yahoo wrote: Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html
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Dear Bob: Try the link now. so then we come back to which works, particles or ions? or which works best? again again, ad nauseum. My generator makes mostly ions. So you are not hearing any of those arguments from me. But if there are particles, I would like them to be as small as possible for two reasons. One, smaller particles may be more effective, and two, very large particles may get lodged in the capillaries. So, if for the same price I can have small particles, then I would prefer that. The only reason all this came up was the statement that Carol was taking 32 ounces of silver every day for months to help with her Lyme herx. In those quantities it is very important to have smallest possible particles. (In my opinion) but they tend to grow over time eventually falling out. I have not found this to be true with the CS made with my generator. I have put my CS in direct sunlight in clear bottles for many days and had no fallout. This would be a no, no by those that recommend dark brown bottles. Your statement does not follow the physics of a true colloidal suspension. Again it depends on the particle size you start with. Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: bob Larson [mailto:bobl...@cablespeed.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:47 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial ...at that page, the link to see a pic of the generator doesn't work. i want to see inside the box of a 3vdc constant polarity machine to see what's costing $200. EIS/CS forms silver ions in solution which are single atoms of silver... but they're not metallic particles until they happen to get together. the particulate portion of EIS/CS varies in particle size, some of them surely being as small as is possible, but they tend to grow over time eventually falling out. so then we come back to which works, particles or ions? or which works best? again again, ad nauseum. -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:32 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make colloidal silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not and a lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an atom is a as small as you can get and that's what they all do. Thanks Mary Ellen -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM To: Silver-List@Eskimo.Com Subject: FW: CSDesperately need help with Lyme Dear Mike: I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol alerted me to the Lyme discussion going on. A long story very short, Carol got bitten by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new way of treating Lyme disease. Take a look at the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus . Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other diseases. We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme for over 14 years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses. It took about 6 months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel like she was 90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%. During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every day for 3 or 4 months. She found that when she dropped back to a lower dosage, her herx, fever and chills, would get worse. Please note this high dosage should only be done with well made colloidal silver http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator containing only nano size particles. My generator was tested by Frank Key who makes the smallest possible particles of 0.75 nanometer as found in MesoSilver. Anyway I would like to ask if it would be OK to post the DougPlus link on your CS group? Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:09 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDesperately need
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Or check out www.silvergen.com We have bought several generators for ourselves and friends from Trem over they years. I can't say enough about both the quality and customer service we have gotten. We highly recommend his generators to everyone. Teri Gary Kavakos -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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An ion is smaller than an atom. ..and that's what they all do. What happens after that, becomes somewhat of an issue as regards formation of Silver Hydroxide, Silver Oxide and metallic silver crystal structures and their variable ratios in the water. But whatever, there will still be ions in there along with a variety of sized particles made of different combinations of silver, hydrogen and oxygen reacting with ions after they are made by the generator under various conditions of that generator popping out those ions at some rate in a water environment. IE different setups tweek for different things as dominant byproducts, but there is never only ONE thing of any one size in the water except the ions that are in there too, that only come in one size...smaller than an atom. Ode At 11:46 AM 6/15/2008 -0500, you wrote: Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make colloidal silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not and a lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an atom is a as small as you can get and that's what they all do. Thanks Mary Ellen -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM To: Silver-List@Eskimo.Com Subject: FW: CSDesperately need help with Lyme Dear Mike: I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol alerted me to the Lyme discussion going on. A long story very short, Carol got bitten by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new way of treating Lyme disease. Take a look at the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus . Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other diseases. We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme for over 14 years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses. It took about 6 months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel like she was 90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%. During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every day for 3 or 4 months. She found that when she dropped back to a lower dosage, her herx, fever and chills, would get worse. Please note this high dosage should only be done with well made colloidal silver http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator containing only nano size particles. My generator was tested by Frank Key who makes the smallest possible particles of 0.75 nanometer as found in MesoSilver. Anyway I would like to ask if it would be OK to post the DougPlus link on your CS group? Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:09 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDesperately need help with Lyme Mary Ellen Murphy wrote: What type of symtoms did you have. I suffer with a lot of pain, fagigue, brain fog, back and neck problems, thyroid and addison's disease, sleep apnea, depression. Gosh I could go on. I want to get rid of this. This is a miserable existence. All of the above except Addison's, plus a weird pulling sensation on the top of my scalp, insomnia, yet falling asleep when I was trying to stay awake, and later arthritis. Marshall Mary Ellen -Original Message- From: Dave [mailto:ddar...@centurytel.net] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:55 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDesperately need help with Lyme Mary Ellen: I had late Lyme for 42 years, a long time before they even named it. Besides the usual problems I got to the point where I couldn't even put a sentence together. Speaking to anyone became a major problem that still remains a problem though not so pronounced. Some call it brain fog. Well to get to the help you need I will tell you how I got rid of it (the lyme). I wasn't into CS at that time so after hearing about it I bought two 16 ounce bottles and a generator and started taking the small tablespoon full as was the wisdom at that time. After using up one of the bottles with no relief I thought it was all bull so I chugged the other bottle all at once. At that my generator arrived so I made a batch and started taking it at the rate of four ounces every twenty minutes. I figured if it killed me it was for the better. What happened was on the third day of this regimen I awoke in the middle of the night with a vigorous feeling of well being. The Lyme was gone but a long recovery was ahead as all the damage wasn't over. Incidently I had seen a doctor just before this and he took blood for testing at my insistance and it came back positive with two bands, after the CS I went back for another Lyme test and It came back negative. Dave Mary Ellen Murphy wrote: I am a new member. I am trying to find out info about Lyme and how to use the silver, with diatamatious earth to get rid
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Speaking frankly, I find it unethical to sell a battery/resistor/silver wire/box for $200 when one could buy something like a SilverPuppy for well under $200 which has auto shutoff, polarity switching, and thermal or magnetic stirring. Dan -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:27 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Dear Bob: Thank you, you are right, the link does not work. I will email my web guy. The generator consists of a battery box, two AA batteries, one 4.7 K ohm resistor and two # 12 AWG .999 silver wires and a Teflon sleeve. It takes about an hour to make. Total manufacturing cost is less than $50. For a while I was selling plans for $10 for people to make their own. No one has bought the plans. I have sold quite a few of generators. I have plans and instruction of how to make lots of things on my EnergyPulser yahoo group but the interesting thing is that only 1 out of 100 are actually able build something. Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: bob Larson [mailto:bobl...@cablespeed.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:47 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial ...at that page, the link to see a pic of the generator doesn't work. i want to see inside the box of a 3vdc constant polarity machine to see what's costing $200. EIS/CS forms silver ions in solution which are single atoms of silver... but they're not metallic particles until they happen to get together. the particulate portion of EIS/CS varies in particle size, some of them surely being as small as is possible, but they tend to grow over time eventually falling out. so then we come back to which works, particles or ions? or which works best? again again, ad nauseum. -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:32 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make colloidal silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not and a lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an atom is a as small as you can get and that's what they all do. Thanks Mary Ellen -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM To: Silver-List@Eskimo.Com Subject: FW: CSDesperately need help with Lyme Dear Mike: I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol alerted me to the Lyme discussion going on. A long story very short, Carol got bitten by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new way of treating Lyme disease. Take a look at the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus . Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other diseases. We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme for over 14 years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses. It took about 6 months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel like she was 90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%. During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every day for 3 or 4 months. She found that when she dropped back to a lower dosage, her herx, fever and chills, would get worse. Please note this high dosage should only be done with well made colloidal silver http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator containing only nano size particles. My generator was tested by Frank Key who makes the smallest possible particles of 0.75 nanometer as found in MesoSilver. Anyway I would like to ask if it would be OK to post the DougPlus link on your CS group? Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king
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Hi Faith. I wouldnt be recommending this CS generator. Heres a quote from there web page. ( Therefore, if you want a good high-quality concentration of 10 ppm, you just leave the generator running for about 10 minutes. If you want a stronger concentration of 20 ppm, you leave the generator running for about 20 minutes. You can even make highly concentrated batches of colloidal silver, in the 100 to 500 ppm range, by letting the generator run longer. ) Obviusly they are using salt water instead of distilled water and even show a bag of salt next to there generator. Just a word to the wise. Sam L. On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Faith Gagne jitte...@gis.net wrote: Or check out this selection of generators: http://www.thesilveredge.com/gen.shtml Faith G. - Original Message - *From:* Carol Ann saffiresk...@yahoo.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:17 PM *Subject:* RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial http://www.silverpuppy.com/ *Mary Ellen Murphy maryelle...@bellsouth.net* wrote: What are some other generators that are Ionic silver -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable particle of any element. Don't confuse the poor girl. I respect Frank Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be too sick to understand. Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking about ions. My generator certainly produces ions, which are the smallest pieces of silver that can exist. kathryn On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Jim Meissner yahoo wrote: Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html -- A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have. Google Ron Paul
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Apart from turning people blue, they also charge twice as much for 12 gauge 999 as I do for 12 gauge . Great salesmanship though. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Sam L. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 12:17 PM Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Hi Faith. I wouldnt be recommending this CS generator. Heres a quote from there web page. ( Therefore, if you want a good high-quality concentration of 10 ppm, you just leave the generator running for about 10 minutes. If you want a stronger concentration of 20 ppm, you leave the generator running for about 20 minutes. You can even make highly concentrated batches of colloidal silver, in the 100 to 500 ppm range, by letting the generator run longer. ) Obviusly they are using salt water instead of distilled water and even show a bag of salt next to there generator. Just a word to the wise. Sam L. On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Faith Gagne jitte...@gis.net wrote: Or check out this selection of generators: http://www.thesilveredge.com/gen.shtml Faith G. - Original Message - From: Carol Ann To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial http://www.silverpuppy.com/ Mary Ellen Murphy maryelle...@bellsouth.net wrote: What are some other generators that are Ionic silver -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable particle of any element. Don't confuse the poor girl. I respect Frank Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be too sick to understand. Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking about ions. My generator certainly produces ions, which are the smallest pieces of silver that can exist. kathryn On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Jim Meissner yahoo wrote: Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html -- A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have. Google Ron Paul
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Hi Mary Ellen, I've been making my own colloidal silver with my own home-made generator for about ten years now; it's a current-controlled generator and has worked very well, producing high quality high strength CS. I don't make generators for other people, mainly because it costs too much in time and money for me to do so; I leave it to others who wish to do it as a business. I've paid attention to what others have been doing who Are in that business. I haven't gone about testing everyone else's, But I can tell you what I have noticed. along with many other people's judgements, the Silver Puppy rates very high with me, and so does the SilverGen. http://silverpuppy.com http://www.silvergen.com/ And PLEASE, take the advice of those who are urging you to check out the Lyme lists. This is what is called an Emerging Disease so the people who've got it are on the leading edge of the research about it. http://www.lymediseaseassociation.org/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/lymeinfo/ There are lots of these. Take care of yourself, ok? On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 18:14 -0500, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote: What are some other generators that are Ionic silver -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable particle of any element. Don't confuse the poor girl. I respect Frank Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be too sick to understand. Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking about ions. My generator certainly produces ions, which are the smallest pieces of silver that can exist. kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Did you have Lyme. Are you cured with just doing the colloidal silver. Has anyone on this site been cured. How do you feel about the salt/vit C protocol Thanks for your info Mary Ellen -Original Message- From: Malcolm [mailto:s...@asis.com] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 5:33 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Hi Mary Ellen, I've been making my own colloidal silver with my own home-made generator for about ten years now; it's a current-controlled generator and has worked very well, producing high quality high strength CS. I don't make generators for other people, mainly because it costs too much in time and money for me to do so; I leave it to others who wish to do it as a business. I've paid attention to what others have been doing who Are in that business. I haven't gone about testing everyone else's, But I can tell you what I have noticed. along with many other people's judgements, the Silver Puppy rates very high with me, and so does the SilverGen. http://silverpuppy.com http://www.silvergen.com/ And PLEASE, take the advice of those who are urging you to check out the Lyme lists. This is what is called an Emerging Disease so the people who've got it are on the leading edge of the research about it. http://www.lymediseaseassociation.org/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/lymeinfo/ There are lots of these. Take care of yourself, ok? On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 18:14 -0500, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote: What are some other generators that are Ionic silver -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable particle of any element. Don't confuse the poor girl. I respect Frank Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be too sick to understand. Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking about ions. My generator certainly produces ions, which are the smallest pieces of silver that can exist. kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I am in the camp of Low Voltage Ionic silver myself. Yes, one atom is as small as one can get. I have a homemade set up using 9 volt batteries, wires, pure silver wires and a current limiter (potentiometer). It is low tech, but makes good silver. If you want one that turns itself off, the silverpuppy is one that I have heard alot of good about, it is inexpensive, and a real workhorse. www.silverpuppy.com If you want to make one yourself, you might want to get a COM 100 meter to check the quality of your distilled water before you start. kathryn On Jun 15, 2008, at 11:46 AM, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote: Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make colloidal silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not and a lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an atom is a as small as you can get and that's what they all do. Thanks Mary Ellen -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Is there anyone who lives in the Nashville, TN area. Please let me know -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:00 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial I am in the camp of Low Voltage Ionic silver myself. Yes, one atom is as small as one can get. I have a homemade set up using 9 volt batteries, wires, pure silver wires and a current limiter (potentiometer). It is low tech, but makes good silver. If you want one that turns itself off, the silverpuppy is one that I have heard alot of good about, it is inexpensive, and a real workhorse. www.silverpuppy.com If you want to make one yourself, you might want to get a COM 100 meter to check the quality of your distilled water before you start. kathryn On Jun 15, 2008, at 11:46 AM, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote: Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make colloidal silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not and a lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an atom is a as small as you can get and that's what they all do. Thanks Mary Ellen -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Mary Ellen -- I'm about two hours west of there, in the Paducah KY area. ?? MA -- Original message from "Mary Ellen Murphy" maryelle...@bellsouth.net: -- Is there anyone who lives in the Nashville, TN area. Please let me know -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:00 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial I am in the camp of Low Voltage Ionic silver myself. Yes, one atom is as small as one can get. I have a homemade set up using 9 volt batteries, wires, pure silver wires and a current limiter (potentiometer). It is low tech, but makes good silver. If you want one that turns itself off, the silverpuppy is one that I have heard alot of good about, it is inexpensive, and a real workhorse. www.silverpuppy.com If you want to make one yourself, you might want to get a COM 100 meter to check the quality of your distilled water before you start. kathryn On Jun 15, 2008, at 11:46 AM, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote: Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make colloidal silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not and a lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an atom is a as small as you can get and that's what they all do. Thanks Mary Ellen-- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your messag e to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com>
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Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make colloidal silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not and a lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an atom is a as small as you can get and that's what they all do. Thanks Mary Ellen -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM To: Silver-List@Eskimo.Com Subject: FW: CSDesperately need help with Lyme Dear Mike: I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol alerted me to the Lyme discussion going on. A long story very short, Carol got bitten by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new way of treating Lyme disease. Take a look at the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus . Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other diseases. We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme for over 14 years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses. It took about 6 months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel like she was 90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%. During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every day for 3 or 4 months. She found that when she dropped back to a lower dosage, her herx, fever and chills, would get worse. Please note this high dosage should only be done with well made colloidal silver http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator containing only nano size particles. My generator was tested by Frank Key who makes the smallest possible particles of 0.75 nanometer as found in MesoSilver. Anyway I would like to ask if it would be OK to post the DougPlus link on your CS group? Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:09 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDesperately need help with Lyme Mary Ellen Murphy wrote: What type of symtoms did you have. I suffer with a lot of pain, fagigue, brain fog, back and neck problems, thyroid and addison's disease, sleep apnea, depression. Gosh I could go on. I want to get rid of this. This is a miserable existence. All of the above except Addison's, plus a weird pulling sensation on the top of my scalp, insomnia, yet falling asleep when I was trying to stay awake, and later arthritis. Marshall Mary Ellen -Original Message- From: Dave [mailto:ddar...@centurytel.net] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:55 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDesperately need help with Lyme Mary Ellen: I had late Lyme for 42 years, a long time before they even named it. Besides the usual problems I got to the point where I couldn't even put a sentence together. Speaking to anyone became a major problem that still remains a problem though not so pronounced. Some call it brain fog. Well to get to the help you need I will tell you how I got rid of it (the lyme). I wasn't into CS at that time so after hearing about it I bought two 16 ounce bottles and a generator and started taking the small tablespoon full as was the wisdom at that time. After using up one of the bottles with no relief I thought it was all bull so I chugged the other bottle all at once. At that my generator arrived so I made a batch and started taking it at the rate of four ounces every twenty minutes. I figured if it killed me it was for the better. What happened was on the third day of this regimen I awoke in the middle of the night with a vigorous feeling of well being. The Lyme was gone but a long recovery was ahead as all the damage wasn't over. Incidently I had seen a doctor just before this and he took blood for testing at my insistance and it came back positive with two bands, after the CS I went back for another Lyme test and It came back negative. Dave Mary Ellen Murphy wrote: I am a new member. I am trying to find out info about Lyme and how to use the silver, with diatamatious earth to get rid of Lyme I have also gotten info
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I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable particle of any element. Don't confuse the poor girl. I respect Frank Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be too sick to understand. Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking about ions. My generator certainly produces ions, which are the smallest pieces of silver that can exist. kathryn On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Jim Meissner yahoo wrote: Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dear Kathryn: but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking about ions Mary Ellen used the word atoms. There are ions, atoms and particles and they are different things. I do not think it is nick picking when someone uses the wrong words. An ion is an incomplete atom and yes it will be smaller than an atom. Most homemade generators produce mostly ions. My version produces more than 90% ions. Depending on the generator, voltage, current, salt, and many other variables the particles produced could be very large. When taking a teaspoon a day that may not make any difference. When taking 32 ounces a day as Carol did, then in my opinion, it becomes very important. Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable particle of any element. Don't confuse the poor girl. I respect Frank Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be too sick to understand. Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking about ions. My generator certainly produces ions, which are the smallest pieces of silver that can exist. kathryn On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Jim Meissner yahoo wrote: Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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What are some other generators that are Ionic silver -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable particle of any element. Don't confuse the poor girl. I respect Frank Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be too sick to understand. Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking about ions. My generator certainly produces ions, which are the smallest pieces of silver that can exist. kathryn On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Jim Meissner yahoo wrote: Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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...at that page, the link to see a pic of the generator doesn't work. i want to see inside the box of a 3vdc constant polarity machine to see what's costing $200. EIS/CS forms silver ions in solution which are single atoms of silver... but they're not metallic particles until they happen to get together. the particulate portion of EIS/CS varies in particle size, some of them surely being as small as is possible, but they tend to grow over time eventually falling out. so then we come back to which works, particles or ions? or which works best? again again, ad nauseum. -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:32 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make colloidal silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not and a lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an atom is a as small as you can get and that's what they all do. Thanks Mary Ellen -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM To: Silver-List@Eskimo.Com Subject: FW: CSDesperately need help with Lyme Dear Mike: I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol alerted me to the Lyme discussion going on. A long story very short, Carol got bitten by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new way of treating Lyme disease. Take a look at the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus . Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other diseases. We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme for over 14 years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses. It took about 6 months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel like she was 90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%. During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every day for 3 or 4 months. She found that when she dropped back to a lower dosage, her herx, fever and chills, would get worse. Please note this high dosage should only be done with well made colloidal silver http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator containing only nano size particles. My generator was tested by Frank Key who makes the smallest possible particles of 0.75 nanometer as found in MesoSilver. Anyway I would like to ask if it would be OK to post the DougPlus link on your CS group? Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:09 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDesperately need help with Lyme Mary Ellen Murphy wrote: What type of symtoms did you have. I suffer with a lot of pain, fagigue, brain fog, back and neck problems, thyroid and addison's disease, sleep apnea, depression. Gosh I could go on. I want to get rid of this. This is a miserable existence. All of the above except Addison's, plus a weird pulling sensation on the top of my scalp, insomnia, yet falling asleep when I was trying to stay awake, and later arthritis. Marshall Mary Ellen -Original Message- From: Dave [mailto:ddar...@centurytel.net] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:55 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDesperately need help with Lyme Mary Ellen: I had late Lyme for 42 years, a long time before they even named it. Besides the usual problems I got to the point where I couldn't even put a sentence together. Speaking to anyone became a major problem that still remains a problem though not so pronounced. Some call it brain fog. Well to get to the help you need I will tell you how I got rid of it (the lyme). I wasn't into CS at that time so after hearing about it I bought two 16 ounce bottles and a generator and started taking the small tablespoon full as was the wisdom at that time. After using up one of the bottles with no relief I thought it was all bull so I chugged the other
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Dear Bob: Thank you, you are right, the link does not work. I will email my web guy. The generator consists of a battery box, two AA batteries, one 4.7 K ohm resistor and two # 12 AWG .999 silver wires and a Teflon sleeve. It takes about an hour to make. Total manufacturing cost is less than $50. For a while I was selling plans for $10 for people to make their own. No one has bought the plans. I have sold quite a few of generators. I have plans and instruction of how to make lots of things on my EnergyPulser yahoo group but the interesting thing is that only 1 out of 100 are actually able build something. Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: bob Larson [mailto:bobl...@cablespeed.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:47 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial ...at that page, the link to see a pic of the generator doesn't work. i want to see inside the box of a 3vdc constant polarity machine to see what's costing $200. EIS/CS forms silver ions in solution which are single atoms of silver... but they're not metallic particles until they happen to get together. the particulate portion of EIS/CS varies in particle size, some of them surely being as small as is possible, but they tend to grow over time eventually falling out. so then we come back to which works, particles or ions? or which works best? again again, ad nauseum. -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:32 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make colloidal silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not and a lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an atom is a as small as you can get and that's what they all do. Thanks Mary Ellen -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM To: Silver-List@Eskimo.Com Subject: FW: CSDesperately need help with Lyme Dear Mike: I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol alerted me to the Lyme discussion going on. A long story very short, Carol got bitten by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new way of treating Lyme disease. Take a look at the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus . Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other diseases. We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme for over 14 years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses. It took about 6 months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel like she was 90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%. During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every day for 3 or 4 months. She found that when she dropped back to a lower dosage, her herx, fever and chills, would get worse. Please note this high dosage should only be done with well made colloidal silver http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator containing only nano size particles. My generator was tested by Frank Key who makes the smallest possible particles of 0.75 nanometer as found in MesoSilver. Anyway I would like to ask if it would be OK to post the DougPlus link on your CS group? Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:09 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDesperately need help with Lyme Mary Ellen Murphy wrote: What type of symtoms did you have. I suffer with a lot of pain, fagigue, brain fog, back and neck problems, thyroid and addison's disease, sleep apnea, depression. Gosh I could go on. I want to get rid of this. This is a miserable existence. All of the above except Addison's, plus a weird pulling sensation on the top of my scalp, insomnia, yet falling asleep when I was trying to stay awake, and later arthritis. Marshall Mary Ellen -Original Message
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On Jun 15, 2008, at 5:34 PM, Jim Meissner yahoo wrote: Dear Kathryn: but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking about ions Mary Ellen used the word atoms. There are ions, atoms and particles and they are different things. I do not think it is nick picking when someone uses the wrong words. An ion is an incomplete atom and yes it will be smaller than an atom. Most homemade generators produce mostly ions. My version produces more than 90% ions. Depending on the generator, voltage, current, salt, and many other variables the particles produced could be very large. When taking a teaspoon a day that may not make any difference. When taking 32 ounces a day as Carol did, then in my opinion, it becomes very important. that may be. I have not taken that much in a day before. I think my homemade brew also has a few oxides, and hydroxides in addition to the ions. When I make a good batch, it has very little tyndall, so mostly ions. Nearly all my batches are good ones, but once in a while something happens. --kathryn Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable particle of any element. Don't confuse the poor girl. I respect Frank Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be too sick to understand. Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking about ions. My generator certainly produces ions, which are the smallest pieces of silver that can exist. kathryn On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Jim Meissner yahoo wrote: Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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http://www.silverpuppy.com/ Mary Ellen Murphy maryelle...@bellsouth.net wrote: What are some other generators that are Ionic silver -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable particle of any element. Don't confuse the poor girl. I respect Frank Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be too sick to understand. Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking about ions. My generator certainly produces ions, which are the smallest pieces of silver that can exist. kathryn On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Jim Meissner yahoo wrote: Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html
Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial
LOL Wow, what a deal!!! If anyone wants a ready made solution for under $200, why not get a generator from Ken at http://silverpuppy.com/. It has some real guts and is sold by someone who has forgotten more about this stuff than must of us will ever know. As long as we are into blatant self-promotion, free plans and theory for a constant polarity machine can be found at http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm and all the parts and equipment are available for $29.99. http://www.atlasnova.com/ColloidalSilverStarterKit.htm Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Jim Meissner yahoo jpmeiss...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:27 PM Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Dear Bob: Thank you, you are right, the link does not work. I will email my web guy. The generator consists of a battery box, two AA batteries, one 4.7 K ohm resistor and two # 12 AWG .999 silver wires and a Teflon sleeve. It takes about an hour to make. Total manufacturing cost is less than $50. For a while I was selling plans for $10 for people to make their own. No one has bought the plans. I have sold quite a few of generators. I have plans and instruction of how to make lots of things on my EnergyPulser yahoo group but the interesting thing is that only 1 out of 100 are actually able build something. Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: bob Larson [mailto:bobl...@cablespeed.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:47 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial ...at that page, the link to see a pic of the generator doesn't work. i want to see inside the box of a 3vdc constant polarity machine to see what's costing $200. EIS/CS forms silver ions in solution which are single atoms of silver... but they're not metallic particles until they happen to get together. the particulate portion of EIS/CS varies in particle size, some of them surely being as small as is possible, but they tend to grow over time eventually falling out. so then we come back to which works, particles or ions? or which works best? again again, ad nauseum. -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:32 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make colloidal silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not and a lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an atom is a as small as you can get and that's what they all do. Thanks Mary Ellen -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM To: Silver-List@Eskimo.Com Subject: FW: CSDesperately need help with Lyme Dear Mike: I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol alerted me to the Lyme discussion going on. A long story very short, Carol got bitten by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new way of treating Lyme disease. Take a look at the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus . Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other diseases. We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme for over 14 years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses. It took about 6 months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel like she was 90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%. During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every day for 3 or 4 months. She found that when she dropped back to a lower dosage, her herx, fever and chills, would get worse. Please note this high dosage should only be done with well made colloidal silver http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator containing only nano size particles. My generator was tested by Frank Key who makes the smallest possible particles of 0.75 nanometer as found in MesoSilver. Anyway I would like to ask if it would be OK to post the DougPlus link on your CS group? Jim Meissner
