Re: CS[List Owner] Some comments and statistics...

[Ruth Bertella]

Wow!  Seems it's been a busy weekend for da list!!

My vote would be to leave the list as-is.  There are a lot topics I learn 
from that I didn't know I wanted/needed to know about until someone else 
brought them up.  On the other hand, if there are topics I'm not interested in, 
I do know how to use the delete button.  Kurt usually puts enough in the 
subject line to know if it's a topics of interest or not, so read or delete.  
No commentary is asked for nor required on any of his postings.  Seems to me 
the topics are prolonged by complainers, whiners, etc., whereas the topic would 
naturally have ended if no comments had been posted.  Just my opinion.  But 
then I always respect others' willingness to learn and be open about and have 
differing opinions regarding various topics.  The one thing that irritates me 
are direct attacks from one member to another because they aren't doing it 
right.  Those tend to drag things on and on and on.  And since we have such a 
GREAT leader to moderate these things for us, why burden yourselves with 
patrolling the troops?

Bottom line:  Mike does a fabulous job and I vote to keep things as they are.  
I like learning about new things!

Ruth

Re: CS[List Owner] Some comments and statistics...

[kmilkowski]

Hey thanks, Ruth! You're my newest bestest friend!

 Ruth Bertella berte...@lfdcbham.com wrote: 
 Wow!  Seems it's been a busy weekend for da list!!
 
 My vote would be to leave the list as-is.  There are a lot topics I learn 
 from that I didn't know I wanted/needed to know about until someone else 
 brought them up.  On the other hand, if there are topics I'm not interested 
 in, I do know how to use the delete button.  Kurt usually puts enough in the 
 subject line to know if it's a topics of interest or not, so read or 
 delete.  No commentary is asked for nor required on any of his postings.  
 Seems to me the topics are prolonged by complainers, whiners, etc., whereas 
 the topic would naturally have ended if no comments had been posted.  Just my 
 opinion.  But then I always respect others' willingness to learn and be open 
 about and have differing opinions regarding various topics.  The one thing 
 that irritates me are direct attacks from one member to another because they 
 aren't doing it right.  Those tend to drag things on and on and on.  And 
 since we have such a GREAT leader to moderate these things for us, why burden 
 yourselves with patrolling the troops?
 
 Bottom line:  Mike does a fabulous job and I vote to keep things as they are. 
  I like learning about new things!
 
 Ruth


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Re: CS[List Owner] Some comments and statistics...

[dee]

I go along with all that you say Mike, and appreciate your tolerance to 
OT subjects.  I for one am  only on *this*  list (and silverpets) and 
because it *is* an alternative health list (when did *your* doctor 
prescribe CS?) it is the only place I feel there may be someone with 
enough knowledge or experience to help with other alternative health 
matters.  I am therefore grateful that these questions are allowed.  I 
also like to hear from people like Kurt  because who knows what is going 
on out there, and I for one like to be kept informed about what could be 
happening.  He does not go on about what he posts, but others do, so 
whose fault is it that the thread gets carried on?  I suppose the answer 
is as always, moderation (no pun intended)  in all things.  dee


M. G. Devour wrote:

Hi folks,

Thank you for sharing your opinions, as I requested. I hope
 that those 
that are threatening to leave will hang around long enough to see
 the 
end of this discussion and take part in forming its results.


A
 number of quite interesting points are being made, and others are 
being

 demonstrated, although not by anyone's specific remarks...

One of the latter
 points this discussion shows, confirming over a 
decade of experience for me,
 is that our group has been and always will 
be divided between those who
 want more free-flowing discussion and 
others who want us to remain closer
 to the topic -- and neither group 
will ever be completely satisfied with
 any compromise that I ever 
strike between the two extremes! 


(Yes, there
 are folks who are pretty well satisfied in the middle 
ground, too! grin)
  


So, on this first point, please let me offer a few remarks that I hope
 
will help everyone understand better what it takes to keep this forum 
even half-way successful in its mission...


***POINTS TO PONDER

Remember,
 first of all, that I don't see messages before they go out! I 
do all my
 moderating after the fact. I depend on EACH OF YOU to 
regulate your own
 behavior, consistent with the list rules and the 
culture I try to instill
 in the membership by public guidance and 
private coaching. Your
 self-control is the price I demand of you for 
the privelege of staying in the group. 
 


Next, one of the very first things I learned when I took over ownership
 
of the list is that I would NEVER be allowed to stop ALL off-topic 
posting if our group were going to continue to accomplish what we 
should and

 could with our efforts. Here's why:

Inevitably, easily half the questions
 people will ask have a non-CS 
related component: Will CS cure...? My
 friend has ... will CS help? 
Does anybody know anything to do for ...?
 Whether CS is useful in each 
case or not, a lot of the time there are
 non-CS-related answers that 
these people need and deserve to hear. I've never

 prohibited non-CS-
related information that might be able to HELP somebody.

Other questions people ask have no relationship to CS to begin with, 
yet
 are obviously important or urgent for them, and frequently 
interesting to

 many of the rest of us.

The guideline for these worthwhile off-topic
 discussions? Make them 
fairly brief, a day or two, giving out basic information
 and pointers 
to other resources so folks can continue their research

 elsewhere.

For me to re-evaluate this fundamenal aspect of the list would
 require 
some pretty convincing arguments. Many members have just finished 
saying how much valuable stuff they've learned from the group on topics 
besides CS. I would not want those questions to go unanswered.


Another point to
 consider is the members' responsibility to mold the 
discussion to their
 own needs. All new members are urged (in the 
instructions they receive upon
 joining) to ASK QUESTIONS in order to 
get the conversation moving in a
 direction that will help them. When 
they do this they normally get answers.
 If they don't, the conversation 
moves on without them.


This is not an
 organized lecture series, where you can sit back 
passively and have all
 your questions answered, but rather more like a 
cocktail party, with folks
 milling around and talking amongst 
themselves. Anyone who wants to pick up
 the microphone and ask a 
question about the main topic is welcome to do so,
 and they'll get 
plenty of help as long as they need it.


If I demanded
 that everybody sit quietly until somebody asks a proper 
question, it would
 be a very different place, and I think we'd lose a 
whole lot more people
 than we probably do when things get too noisy for 
too long. 


Who's to
 say what's the right balance? Ummm... Well, me, I'm afraid. 
Which is why

 I'm asking questions.

*** DEFINING THE PROBLEM

Now, as I consider
 specific actions or possible changes in policy in 
response to the present
 complaints, I think we might all benefit from 
some analysis to see just how

 things really look.

I've surveyed list traffic for the first 23 days of
 August. Here are 
some statistics:


*** 

Re: CS[List Owner] Some comments and statistics...

[David Bearrow]

Sir,

It was not my intent to start a firestorm. For that I apologize. 
Perhaps my blood sugar was a little low and I got cranky and 
responded too quickly to Kurt's email. Normally I would wait a day 
before hitting the send button and likely or not I wouldn't have sent 
it or I would have heavily edited it.


I think perhaps I did not put across exactly why I think that post 
should not be on this list. There are certain conspiracy theories out 
there that have a small basis in fact but then take the facts and 
extrapolate out until they make good science fiction plots but are no 
longer factual. Kurt invariably likes to copy and paste from websites 
devoted to these conspiracy theories and post them to the list. I do 
not mind the off topic health type questions. But Kurt does not post 
questions, he proselytizes like a politician or priest about subjects 
that cause division where ever they are discussed. If, in the course 
of answering health related questions, those topics Kurt loves happen 
to come up and in his own words he discussed them in relation to the 
question then I would not object. Indeed, I would likely respond with 
a counterpoint post. But it is his method to drop a copy/paste email 
bomb out of the blue not in response to any current threads. This 
type of post is not conducive to the conversation. One cannot create 
a counter post as you would not be talking to the poster but to the 
person who wrote the website Kurt is copying and pasting from and 
that person will never see the counter post.


If you have saved all the posts do a sort on kmilkowski. He started 
posting 9-14-07. He consistently posts off topic about his 3 favorite 
pet conspiracy theories chemtrails, vaccinations, and poisoned food 
supplies, which have nothing to do with our current conversations. He 
usually starts these as new threads and pulls the list way out there 
into science fiction land.


I think your existing policies are good and don't need changing. My 
beef is with Kurts obsession with conspiracy theories about 
chemtrails, vaccinations, and poisoned food supplies and his need to 
share that obsession with us over and over and his method of sharing 
which excludes argument.


David

At 12:03 AM 8/24/2008, you wrote:

So, I'm open to specific suggestions or ideas. In light of the points
I've made above, please tell me:

How much traffic is too much? Off topic versus on-topic?

Do you feel my basic policies need to be changed or updated?

Should I do a better job of enforcing them? How, specifically?

Should we stop answering non-CS-related health questions entirely?

Should we ban *all* politics-related posts, no matter their importance?
Or is the existing policy (brief, occasional, little or no discussion)
good enough if it's enforced?

Should I more vigorously police the style of certain messages so as
not to scare new people off or annoy the regulars?

Any other points you think I've not covered yet?

Thank you for your patience, ladies and gentlemen. It's not a bad thing
to air grievances and sound each other out every once in a while,
though I *will* get riled if folks make a habit of spouting off their
objections on the list instead of privately! scowls at David!



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Re: CS[List Owner] Some comments and statistics...

[Faith Gagne]

Dear David:  Very well put.  I do have to agree.  Faith G.


- Original Message - 
From: David Bearrow chip...@verizon.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: CS[List Owner] Some comments and statistics...



Sir,

It was not my intent to start a firestorm. For that I apologize. 
Perhaps my blood sugar was a little low and I got cranky and 
responded too quickly to Kurt's email. Normally I would wait a day 
before hitting the send button and likely or not I wouldn't have sent 
it or I would have heavily edited it.


I think perhaps I did not put across exactly why I think that post 
should not be on this list. There are certain conspiracy theories out 
there that have a small basis in fact but then take the facts and 
extrapolate out until they make good science fiction plots but are no 
longer factual. Kurt invariably likes to copy and paste from websites 
devoted to these conspiracy theories and post them to the list. I do 
not mind the off topic health type questions. But Kurt does not post 
questions, he proselytizes like a politician or priest about subjects 
that cause division where ever they are discussed. If, in the course 
of answering health related questions, those topics Kurt loves happen 
to come up and in his own words he discussed them in relation to the 
question then I would not object. Indeed, I would likely respond with 
a counterpoint post. But it is his method to drop a copy/paste email 
bomb out of the blue not in response to any current threads. This 
type of post is not conducive to the conversation. One cannot create 
a counter post as you would not be talking to the poster but to the 
person who wrote the website Kurt is copying and pasting from and 
that person will never see the counter post.


If you have saved all the posts do a sort on kmilkowski. He started 
posting 9-14-07. He consistently posts off topic about his 3 favorite 
pet conspiracy theories chemtrails, vaccinations, and poisoned food 
supplies, which have nothing to do with our current conversations. He 
usually starts these as new threads and pulls the list way out there 
into science fiction land.


I think your existing policies are good and don't need changing. My 
beef is with Kurts obsession with conspiracy theories about 
chemtrails, vaccinations, and poisoned food supplies and his need to 
share that obsession with us over and over and his method of sharing 
which excludes argument.


David

At 12:03 AM 8/24/2008, you wrote:

So, I'm open to specific suggestions or ideas. In light of the points
I've made above, please tell me:

How much traffic is too much? Off topic versus on-topic?

Do you feel my basic policies need to be changed or updated?

Should I do a better job of enforcing them? How, specifically?

Should we stop answering non-CS-related health questions entirely?

Should we ban *all* politics-related posts, no matter their importance?
Or is the existing policy (brief, occasional, little or no discussion)
good enough if it's enforced?

Should I more vigorously police the style of certain messages so as
not to scare new people off or annoy the regulars?

Any other points you think I've not covered yet?

Thank you for your patience, ladies and gentlemen. It's not a bad thing
to air grievances and sound each other out every once in a while,
though I *will* get riled if folks make a habit of spouting off their
objections on the list instead of privately! scowls at David!



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Re: CS[List Owner] Some comments and statistics...

[Darn_itsme]

He does not go on about what he posts, but others do, so
whose fault is it that the thread gets carried on?  I suppose the answer 
is as always, moderation (no pun intended)  in all things.  dee





I agree with Dee on this.  I am very surprised at the way this thread was 
handled by the members of this list.  I noticed that the person was attacked 
and nothing was really spoken about the message itself.  I happened to be 
very interested in this as my husband came home and told me he heard 
somthing about it on the radio, my son came across a small blurb about it in 
the local newspaper and I found another article from another source in my 
inbox.  Honestly, for the intellagence that is on this list, I was really 
hoping for some useful information since I happen to like feeding my family 
food that won't possibly eventually kill us.  Especially since this popped 
up so quick with no heads up on this action.


I think what disturbs me the most is that people here can make generators 
but not know how it use a delete key even when you say you know you can't 
stand a certain persons posts.  I mean, nobody is *making* anyone read those 
posts.


Commenting on the article itself, I don't like Mike Adams and the way he 
writes BUT there is usually some truth to what he writes about and it's up 
to me to figure out what is garage and to disregard it.  At the moment, his 
article continued to back up other sources that showed up all in one day.


I do hope that this list stays pretty much on the same course it has (thank 
you Mike) without all the bickering.


Debbie 



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Re: CS[List Owner] Some comments and statistics...

[Rowena]

Okay, I will put in  my little piece too.  

I've been with the group for a few years now, and was recommended to join after 
I bought my CS generator.  It has not been a disappointment.  Mike is a great 
moderator.  It's nice to feel that pretty much any subject can be raised, that 
there isn't someone in charge who has a strong opinion that weeds out any 
comments that don't fall in line with his own ideas. He will act behind the 
scenes if necessary, though.  And people really helped me get the confidence 
with  my CS making.

We have lost some great members along the way, people in practice or with 
experience, who had very useful input.  And new members have come along.  My 
impression - and I haven't been keeping any vigorous survey - is that while 
people may join and inject a new feel foreign to the existing group for a 
while, they do in time get a feel for the group and kind of fit in.  

I can't keep up with every post all the time, so go largely by the subject 
lines.  So if you don't look after your subject lines appropriately, you may 
not get read.  But at least you got your comment off your chest, and you are 
not taking up valuable archives space, because there aren't any archives.  And 
if anyone was consistently cross they would tend not to get read.

Some groups are tightly moderated and done well and are useful, with watchful 
eyes kindly reminding transgressors of the rules, the manners, the subject 
lines, whatever.  Some are not so much moderated as censored, so your comment 
may not even appear.  This group must be just about the most comfortable there 
is. 

Out there in forum land there are some nasty characters who have to speak 
contemptuously of others' opinions in one way or another like some sort of 
internet bullies.  We seem to be a pretty friendly bunch, pretty well mannered 
at least.  The character and comments vary over time, as people come and go, 
and people who came to learn about CS and succeeded stay to chat about other 
things too.  I think this is the group where I have had the biggest input on 
the widest range of subjects, and I've appreciated it.  It has led me up many 
different paths, and some of you have consistently turned in posts so valuable 
you have your own box where your posts get preserved. Others of you have your 
posts forwarded to my private little share-circle of health buddies around the 
world, which is the equivalent of having a gold star stuck on your essay; these 
posts are also preserved.  And as various ones remind us - the delete button 
works for when the sheer weight of input gets too much. 

Every now and then I think to myself that I really need to thin out my groups.  
But I know I will stick to my CS group.  Daddybob has a policy whereby even if 
he is not active on a group, he remains a member and looks in every now and 
then.  That's kind of what I do now - when a group gets less interesting, or if 
I feel the weight of posts too great, I set my preferences to no mail so that I 
can look in on the archives from time to time, or start to receive the mail 
again, and can still access any files they may have.  Some groups I don't go 
no mail on are the Rife forum, microelectricity, Frex, Crock Lakhovsky and 
now DMSO (again).  And the silver list of course.

Thanks Mike.

Speaking for myself.

Rowena

 

Re: CS[List Owner] Some comments and statistics...

[Faith Gagne]

Dear Debbie:

You are discussing everything but Colloidal Silver.  Do you use it?  Do you 
buy it or make it yourself?  Faith G.



- Original Message - 
From: darn_it...@verizon.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: CS[List Owner] Some comments and statistics...





He does not go on about what he posts, but others do, so
whose fault is it that the thread gets carried on?  I suppose the answer 
is as always, moderation (no pun intended)  in all things.  dee





I agree with Dee on this.  I am very surprised at the way this thread was 
handled by the members of this list.  I noticed that the person was 
attacked and nothing was really spoken about the message itself.  I 
happened to be very interested in this as my husband came home and told me 
he heard somthing about it on the radio, my son came across a small blurb 
about it in the local newspaper and I found another article from another 
source in my inbox.  Honestly, for the intellagence that is on this list, 
I was really hoping for some useful information since I happen to like 
feeding my family food that won't possibly eventually kill us.  Especially 
since this popped up so quick with no heads up on this action.


I think what disturbs me the most is that people here can make generators 
but not know how it use a delete key even when you say you know you can't 
stand a certain persons posts.  I mean, nobody is *making* anyone read 
those posts.


Commenting on the article itself, I don't like Mike Adams and the way he 
writes BUT there is usually some truth to what he writes about and it's up 
to me to figure out what is garage and to disregard it.  At the moment, 
his article continued to back up other sources that showed up all in one 
day.


I do hope that this list stays pretty much on the same course it has 
(thank you Mike) without all the bickering.


Debbie

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Re: CS[List Owner] Some comments and statistics...

[Darn_itsme]

From this list I have learned to buy it, use it and make it myself.  Am I to 

be attacked now?

BTW, I have also been here for years.

Debbie


- Original Message - 
From: Faith Gagne jitte...@gis.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: CS[List Owner] Some comments and statistics...



Dear Debbie:

You are discussing everything but Colloidal Silver.  Do you use it?  Do 
you buy it or make it yourself?  Faith G.



- Original Message - 
From: darn_it...@verizon.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: CS[List Owner] Some comments and statistics...





He does not go on about what he posts, but others do, so
whose fault is it that the thread gets carried on?  I suppose the answer 
is as always, moderation (no pun intended)  in all things.  dee





I agree with Dee on this.  I am very surprised at the way this thread was 
handled by the members of this list.  I noticed that the person was 
attacked and nothing was really spoken about the message itself.  I 
happened to be very interested in this as my husband came home and told 
me he heard somthing about it on the radio, my son came across a small 
blurb about it in the local newspaper and I found another article from 
another source in my inbox.  Honestly, for the intellagence that is on 
this list, I was really hoping for some useful information since I happen 
to like feeding my family food that won't possibly eventually kill us. 
Especially since this popped up so quick with no heads up on this action.


I think what disturbs me the most is that people here can make generators 
but not know how it use a delete key even when you say you know you can't 
stand a certain persons posts.  I mean, nobody is *making* anyone read 
those posts.


Commenting on the article itself, I don't like Mike Adams and the way he 
writes BUT there is usually some truth to what he writes about and it's 
up to me to figure out what is garage and to disregard it.  At the 
moment, his article continued to back up other sources that showed up all 
in one day.


I do hope that this list stays pretty much on the same course it has 
(thank you Mike) without all the bickering.


Debbie

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Re: CS[List Owner] Some comments and statistics...

[Helen Martin]

well.. I don't have time to edit this list of all the off topic
stuff.. because people refuse to actually use the subject
line properly you can't just wholesale delete.. 
I'm have many other responsibilities in my life.. I came here
to learn about CS, not every other alternative health idea that comes to
somebodies head.. 
so, I'm gone.. again...
thanks to the folks who have actually taught me about CS...
Helen

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Re: CS[List Owner] Some comments and statistics...

[Starshar]

Hi gang,

I've been on this list forever, except for the long period of time when 
Comcast blocked it (stifling rant on that topic).

I love this list! I think we have the best moderator on the 'net-kudos to 
you, Mike!

I love getting all the varied bits of info that you nice people throw out for 
all the rest of us.

And, yes, I do get a little crazed now and then when the off topic gets 
overwhelming. When my keyboard needs to be replaced, it will be because of the 
death of the delete key first.

I have been on other lists where the moderation got so tight that the list 
eventually just died out. I hate to see that happen!

Mike seems to step in when the heat gets quite high, and he manages to be so 
tactful that almost anyone can hang in there peacefully.

If this were a referendum, I'd vote to keep the list as is-just reminding 
others about that wonderful little key called delete!

Just my 1+1/2 cents worth,

Sharon


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Re: CS[List Owner] Some comments and statistics...

[marmar845]

Well, I've been mulling this over -- and for me, I guess I've come to the conclusion that I pretty much like the list the way that it is. I agree that it's easy for a list to become stagnant if there's too much restriction of topic matter, and I think that the current rules and regs pretty well keep things under control. But I do understand David's position, and actually agree with his points regarding Kurt's posts -- but it's an easy matter to solve. David, if I understand you correctly, it's only Kurt's posts that bug you, yes? Sowhen youopen your inbox, you can check forand delete all of Kurt's incoming email. That way you don't have to read it. Or better yet, you can set your email program to block all of Kurt's mail so that it doesn't get into your inbox to begin with. Problem solved. I think that's more reasonable than asking Mike to spend ever more time trying to meet all of our individual needs. I do think that we all can do a better job of changing the subject line when we respond to posts and the subject matter is morphing. That way folks can more easily delete posts in their inbox in which they have no interest. I guess where this is leading me is that as list members we need to acceptthe responsibility for our own use of and participation in the list, rather than asking Mike to do it for us. MA

-- Original message from David Bearrow chip...@verizon.net: --  Sir,   It was not my intent to start a firestorm. For that I apologize.  Perhaps my blood sugar was a little low and I got cranky and  responded too quickly to Kurt's email. Normally I would wait a day  before hitting the send button and likely or not I wouldn't have sent  it or I would have heavily edited it.   I think perhaps I did not put across exactly why I think that post  should not be on this list. There are certain conspiracy theories out  there that have a small basis in fact but then take the facts and  extrapolate out until they make good science fiction plots but are no  longer factual. Kurt invariably likes to copy and paste from websites  devoted to these conspiracy theories and post them to the list. I do  not mind the off topic health type questions. But Kurt does not post  questions, he proselytizes like a politician or priest about subjects  that cause division where ever they are discussed. If, in the course  of answering health related questions, those topics Kurt loves happen  to come up and in his own words he discussed them in relation to the  question then I would not object. Indeed, I would likely respond with  a counterpoint post. But it is his method to drop a copy/paste email  bomb out of the blue not in response to any current threads. This  type of post is not conducive to the conversation. One cannot create  a counter post as you would not be talking to the poster but to the  person who wrote the website Kurt is copying and pasting from and  that person will never see the counter post.   If you have saved all the posts do a sort on kmilkowski. He started  posting 9-14-07. He consistently posts off topic about his 3 favorite  pet conspiracy theories chemtrails, vaccinations, and poisoned food  supplies, which have nothing to do with our current conversations. He  usually starts these as new threads and pulls the list way out there  into science fiction land.   I think your existing policies are good and don't need changing. My  beef is with Kurts obsession with conspiracy theories about  chemtrails, vaccinations, and poisoned food supplies and his need to  share that obsession with us over and over and his method of sharing  which excludes argument. 

Re: CS[List Owner] Some comments and statistics...

[Peter Converse]

Well said Debbie,

The bickering, bickering and more bickering is a waste of energy, time and 
thought; profiting no one.


Peter



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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: CS[List Owner] Some comments and statistics...



He does not go on about what he posts, but others do, so
whose fault is it that the thread gets carried on?  I suppose the answer 
is as always, moderation (no pun intended)  in all things.  dee





I agree with Dee on this.  I am very surprised at the way this thread was 
handled by the members of this list.  I noticed that the person was 
attacked and nothing was really spoken about the message itself.  I 
happened to be very interested in this as my husband came home and told me 
he heard somthing about it on the radio, my son came across a small blurb 
about it in the local newspaper and I found another article from another 
source in my inbox.  Honestly, for the intellagence that is on this list, 
I was really hoping for some useful information since I happen to like 
feeding my family food that won't possibly eventually kill us.  Especially 
since this popped up so quick with no heads up on this action.


I think what disturbs me the most is that people here can make generators 
but not know how it use a delete key even when you say you know you can't 
stand a certain persons posts.  I mean, nobody is *making* anyone read 
those posts.


Commenting on the article itself, I don't like Mike Adams and the way he 
writes BUT there is usually some truth to what he writes about and it's up 
to me to figure out what is garage and to disregard it.  At the moment, 
his article continued to back up other sources that showed up all in one 
day.


I do hope that this list stays pretty much on the same course it has 
(thank you Mike) without all the bickering.


Debbie

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Re: CS[List Owner] Some comments and statistics...

[cking001]

Hey Mike!
Cut the silverlist traffic by a third by starting another sub-list.
Call it the Bitch-Box...
For ALL complaints.

Chuck

Most people want to serve God, but only in an advisory position.

On 8/24/2008 12:58:12 AM, M. G. Devour (mdev...@eskimo.com) wrote:
 Hi folks,
 
 Thank you for sharing your opinions, as I requested. I hope that those
 that are threatening to leave will hang around long enough to see the
 end of this discussion and take part in forming its results.
 
 A number of quite interesting points are being made, and others are
 being demonstrated, although not by
 anyone's specific remarks...
 
 One of the latter points this discussion shows, confirming over a
 decade of experience for me, is that our group has been and always will
 be divided between those who want more free-flowing discussion and
 others who want us to remain closer to the topic -- and neither group
 will ever be completely satisfied with any compromise that I ever
 strike between the two extremes!
 
 (Yes, there are folks who are pretty well satisfied in the middle
 ground, too! grin)
 
 So, on this first point, please let me offer a few remarks that I hope
 will help everyone understand better what it takes to keep this forum
 even half-way successful in its mission...
 
 ***POINTS TO PONDER
 
 Remember, first of all, that I don't
 see messages before they go out! I
 do all my moderating after the fact. I

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Re: CS[List Owner] Some comments and statistics...

[kmilkowski]

Thanks Dee!! :)

 dee d...@deetroy.org wrote: 
 I go along with all that you say Mike, and appreciate your tolerance to 
 OT subjects.  I for one am  only on *this*  list (and silverpets) and 
 because it *is* an alternative health list (when did *your* doctor 
 prescribe CS?) it is the only place I feel there may be someone with 
 enough knowledge or experience to help with other alternative health 
 matters.  I am therefore grateful that these questions are allowed.  I 
 also like to hear from people like Kurt  because who knows what is going 
 on out there, and I for one like to be kept informed about what could be 
 happening.  He does not go on about what he posts, but others do, so 
 whose fault is it that the thread gets carried on?  I suppose the answer 
 is as always, moderation (no pun intended)  in all things.  dee
 
 M. G. Devour wrote:
  Hi folks,
 
  Thank you for sharing your opinions, as I requested. I hope
   that those 
  that are threatening to leave will hang around long enough to see
   the 
  end of this discussion and take part in forming its results.
 
  A
   number of quite interesting points are being made, and others are 
  being
   demonstrated, although not by anyone's specific remarks...
 
  One of the latter
   points this discussion shows, confirming over a 
  decade of experience for me,
   is that our group has been and always will 
  be divided between those who
   want more free-flowing discussion and 
  others who want us to remain closer
   to the topic -- and neither group 
  will ever be completely satisfied with
   any compromise that I ever 
  strike between the two extremes! 
 
  (Yes, there
   are folks who are pretty well satisfied in the middle 
  ground, too! grin)

 
  So, on this first point, please let me offer a few remarks that I hope
   
  will help everyone understand better what it takes to keep this forum 
  even half-way successful in its mission...
 
  ***POINTS TO PONDER
 
  Remember,
   first of all, that I don't see messages before they go out! I 
  do all my
   moderating after the fact. I depend on EACH OF YOU to 
  regulate your own
   behavior, consistent with the list rules and the 
  culture I try to instill
   in the membership by public guidance and 
  private coaching. Your
   self-control is the price I demand of you for 
  the privelege of staying in the group. 
   
 
  Next, one of the very first things I learned when I took over ownership
   
  of the list is that I would NEVER be allowed to stop ALL off-topic 
  posting if our group were going to continue to accomplish what we 
  should and
   could with our efforts. Here's why:
 
  Inevitably, easily half the questions
   people will ask have a non-CS 
  related component: Will CS cure...? My
   friend has ... will CS help? 
  Does anybody know anything to do for ...?
   Whether CS is useful in each 
  case or not, a lot of the time there are
   non-CS-related answers that 
  these people need and deserve to hear. I've never
   prohibited non-CS-
  related information that might be able to HELP somebody.
 
  Other questions people ask have no relationship to CS to begin with, 
  yet
   are obviously important or urgent for them, and frequently 
  interesting to
   many of the rest of us.
 
  The guideline for these worthwhile off-topic
   discussions? Make them 
  fairly brief, a day or two, giving out basic information
   and pointers 
  to other resources so folks can continue their research
   elsewhere.
 
  For me to re-evaluate this fundamenal aspect of the list would
   require 
  some pretty convincing arguments. Many members have just finished 
  saying how much valuable stuff they've learned from the group on topics 
  besides CS. I would not want those questions to go unanswered.
 
  Another point to
   consider is the members' responsibility to mold the 
  discussion to their
   own needs. All new members are urged (in the 
  instructions they receive upon
   joining) to ASK QUESTIONS in order to 
  get the conversation moving in a
   direction that will help them. When 
  they do this they normally get answers.
   If they don't, the conversation 
  moves on without them.
 
  This is not an
   organized lecture series, where you can sit back 
  passively and have all
   your questions answered, but rather more like a 
  cocktail party, with folks
   milling around and talking amongst 
  themselves. Anyone who wants to pick up
   the microphone and ask a 
  question about the main topic is welcome to do so,
   and they'll get 
  plenty of help as long as they need it.
 
  If I demanded
   that everybody sit quietly until somebody asks a proper 
  question, it would
   be a very different place, and I think we'd lose a 
  whole lot more people
   than we probably do when things get too noisy for 
  too long. 
 
  Who's to
   say what's the right balance? Ummm... Well, me, I'm afraid. 
  Which is why
   I'm asking questions.
 
  *** DEFINING THE PROBLEM
 
  Now, as