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Gangsta cultural influence came about with integration. Working mothers, semi orphaned kids seek new families. Gangstas have nothing better to do than be that new family. Gangsta is a culture of blame and victim-hood used to justify lashing out and manipulating others vs accomplishment Political Correctness prohibits reasonable discussions. ode At 10:31 PM 10/5/2009 -0400, you wrote: I totally agree! Donna ACS This is nothing to do with the belief or disbelief in God. It is because children are no longer taught from the cradle up, to respect other people and other people's property. There is no discipline and no deterrents, so what do we all expect? Society is reaping the benefits? I think not. dee On 5 Oct 2009, at 02:44, Bruce Anderson wrote: Dear Cindi: I am 72yoa. When I was in school most of the boys, and some of the girls, carried pocket knives. We whittled sticks, cut string, etc. and sometimes cut ourselves and the teacher might give us a band-aid. The serious offenses were running in the halls, chewing gum / talking in class and paper wads. NOW it's murder, stabbings, drugs, rape and assault and battery. But then, that is after they ask God to leave. This nation was founded on Judeo/Christian principles The Pledge of allegence contains one nation under God Even our money states In God we trust -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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4 out of 5 times I've been ripped off in my life. it's been by *professing* Christians, the Godless horde has been more honest, though not perfect either. I had that childhood too. I never was a believer, avoided church like a plague since I was 5 and never had an urge to go around stabbing or stealing, so just maybe there are other reasons that behavior has changed ? The original Pledge and money did not mention God, that was inserted much much later. Be glad to discuss on the OT list. Ode At 09:44 PM 10/4/2009 -0400, you wrote: Dear Cindi: I am 72yoa. When I was in school most of the boys, and some of the girls, carried pocket knives. We whittled sticks, cut string, etc. and sometimes cut ourselves and the teacher might give us a band-aid. The serious offenses were running in the halls, chewing gum / talking in class and paper wads. NOW it's murder, stabbings, drugs, rape and assault and battery. But then, that is after they ask God to leave. This nation was founded on Judeo/Christian principles The Pledge of allegence contains one nation under God Even our money states In God we trust No one is required to be Christian or Jewish or to participate activity or observance of those groups. At least 80% of our citizens profess to be either Christian or Jewish, so we have at least as much right to express our opinions and be heard as the very vocal 20%. Both groups have the ability and right to turn away, turn it off, or hit the delete button. Bruce A. cyndiann wrote: Melly Bag wrote: It is insecurity at its best because we know some proud, selfish, greedy people are out to get the defenseless. But have no fear, we have a GOD who is watching over us if only we turn and pray to not ignore HIM. Schools were made to take away religion so our kids' consciences would be numb and when recruited by those in power will not have a conscience to bother them when orders are delivered. See? They execute without blinking an eyelash! Melly WTF? Please, lets not go there. There is so much wrong with this post. Religion has no place in schools or should I say putting one single religion in schools while ignoring the rest is wrong. People who are not christian do have a conscience and morals. Indeed, we aren't scared into being moral by a god that makes you afraid to be otherwise. I guess this post most of all lets us see what prejudice is about. Cyndi who wonders why this thread is still going -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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This is nothing to do with the belief or disbelief in God. It is because children are no longer taught from the cradle up, to respect other people and other people's property. There is no discipline and no deterrents, so what do we all expect? Society is reaping the benefits? I think not. dee On 5 Oct 2009, at 02:44, Bruce Anderson wrote: Dear Cindi: I am 72yoa. When I was in school most of the boys, and some of the girls, carried pocket knives. We whittled sticks, cut string, etc. and sometimes cut ourselves and the teacher might give us a band-aid. The serious offenses were running in the halls, chewing gum / talking in class and paper wads. NOW it's murder, stabbings, drugs, rape and assault and battery. But then, that is after they ask God to leave. This nation was founded on Judeo/Christian principles The Pledge of allegence contains one nation under God Even our money states In God we trust -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I totally agree Ode. Also about it going to the OT list. dee On 5 Oct 2009, at 11:21, Ode Coyote wrote: 4 out of 5 times I've been ripped off in my life. it's been by *professing* Christians, the Godless horde has been more honest, though not perfect either. I had that childhood too. I never was a believer, avoided church like a plague since I was 5 and never had an urge to go around stabbing or stealing, so just maybe there are other reasons that behavior has changed ? The original Pledge and money did not mention God, that was inserted much much later. Be glad to discuss on the OT list. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Aneya ahkfesu whom sofa yal ghey hua beh sa wheyu: boom beech aKa Jhon ahsee A. Evans/ Paralegal Specialist Video Hearing Section, Room #113 (OMPA) Desk: 202.461.8863 Fax: 202.565.4679 -Original Message- From: aKa Jhon [mailto:maj.yo...@ellijay.com] Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 5:10 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT whatever,,, - Original Message - From: Evans, Antonio F. antonio.ev...@va.gov To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:46 AM Subject: RE: CS Native American stories--OT Greetings all, my heritage includes Blackfoot Native Americans from a reservation at one point in South Carolina, Barbados descendants after slavery (Maternal side) and Colombian Natives, Panamanian Natives and Jamaican descendants from South America (Paternal side), I pass for a small deep brown skin African American male. I was just in Chattanooga Tennessee and the hate I felt from Caucasian men young, middle age and elderly was beyond belief in 2009. You could just feel hate in their stares and blocking our car from the gas pump. A young Caucasian male would not allow my friend, who is half Caucasian and African American, he could pass for a 6'2 moroccon Arab. We needed to fuel the car to head back to Washington DC, after visiting his Caucasian mother who works in the Alexian retirement Center in the mountains of Chattanooga, such a beautiful place with hatefulness all around, did I miss something or should this still be expected? Pardon my description just painting a mental picture for you all, I wish CS mixed with DMSO could harmonize this issue with some of the American family A. Evans/ Nanya Nufushu EL -Original Message- From: AHorse52251 [mailto:ahorse52...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:55 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT Apparently I have lived a much-too-sheltered life. I was not aware that there was such prejudice against NAs. I'm sorry. I look at things a bit backward from the rest of the world anyway. I remember as a child my mother was explaining to me how the Jews were hated and what Hitler had done. My question was why did people hate the Jews when it should be the Germans that were hated? Of course, no one nationality should be *hated* for anything. That would be like throwing the baby out with the bath water. It can be hard, however...especially when it seems a whole country backs the craziness. I wonder how many times NAs have saved our white butts... Janis --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 10:29 PM Yes, Zoe...I know. I've tried to learn from the things that have come my way whether good or bad. If we learn to be better from the negative things then they in one respect are a positive learning experience. My father's negativity has taught me how to be a better parent...I will always be there for my children and they know that. I knew you all would understand what I was saying because we experience similar things. I guess the point I was making is...whether it happened hundreds of years ago it is still happening today and unless you are aware of how the NAs were treated most people would have no idea. Prejudice is terrible and I have hopes that one day it will be done away with but it will only happen through teaching the future generations not to practice it. Sandy --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 6:47 PM Sorry hit the wrong button earlier. Sandy thanks so much for sharing your story. It is unfortunate, but many of us suffered similar torments. Hang on to that pride, it will carry you thru many a trial and tribulation. zoe zoe w wrote: Sandy wrote: My Great-Grandmother was full blood Apache but she died before I had the opportunity to meet her. My Mother used to tell us stories about Geronimo and the Superstition Mountains in Arizona, my mother's birth place. She took us to see the bluff [Medicine Bluff] where he and his horse jumped from into the Medicine River to get away from the US Calvary...he lived and did get away. My Mother was a half-breed and as a child when walking in Phoenix the white men would spit on her and her family and then they [the white people] would cross to the other side of the street so as to not be soiled by their presence. I lived with prejudice from within my own father's family [his mother did not want anything to do with us Native American brown skinned children]...even from my own father. Now that my Mother has passed on my father claims we
RE: CS Native American stories--OT
Do you have any Mayan stories and photos? Do share please... We are all growing and boy what a wonderful future this is turning out to be. Thanks for the encouraging words A. Evans/ Paralegal Specialist Video Hearing Section, Room #113 (OMPA) Desk: 202.461.8863 Fax: 202.565.4679 -Original Message- From: ATOMICSILVER [mailto:atomicsil...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:03 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT Hi Marshall, any good Mayan stories to share ? I am living in the Mayan Mountains ( Belize ) and am working with the Maya every day .amazing people ! thanks Richard On 02/10/2009, at 10:01, Marshall Dudley wrote: zoe w wrote: I am so sorry you had to experience this. In my observations across the country anywhere you go in Tennessee seems to be this way. Please don't judge the rest of our beautiful country by this yardstick.My apologies to any Tennesseeans here who do not fit this pattern, this was my observation based on a cross country bus tour a couple years ago.I simply could not believe how different things are in that state. I am Tennessean and definitely do not feel that way. In fact I research material from a number of different tribes, primarily Hopi and Mayan, due to their rich heritage and stories. I am very interested in shamanism of any tribe. I have even attended dancing and drumming ceremonies, and tried to go to a sweat lodge, but my wife objected. The energies are wonderful. There will always be individuals who harbor resentment and animosity, but mostly they will keep it to themselves these days. We can perhaps have some control over how people act in public, but we cannot govern what they think.It would be wonderful if there were some magic pill or elixir that would make this all go away. I have at one time or another lived in just about every area in this land except for the great Northwest. In most of these areas great progress has been made not only towards blacks and indians but other minorities as well. Even so , one will always encounter certain individuals who carry on the old hateful ways. Perhaps in another 500 yrs or so. Its really seems kind of ridiculous these days when most of us are a conglomeration of many many cultures. It is time to show not tolerance, but acceptance and understanding. You may find with the changes coming, that will be changed by 2013. I sure hope so. Marshall My 2 cents worth. zoe Evans, Antonio F. wrote: Greetings all, my heritage includes Blackfoot Native Americans from a reservation at one point in South Carolina, Barbados descendants after slavery (Maternal side) and Colombian Natives, Panamanian Natives and Jamaican descendants from South America (Paternal side), I pass for a small deep brown skin African American male. I was just in Chattanooga Tennessee and the hate I felt from Caucasian men young, middle age and elderly was beyond belief in 2009. You could just feel hate in their stares and blocking our car from the gas pump. A young Caucasian male would not allow my friend, who is half Caucasian and African American, he could pass for a 6'2 moroccon Arab. We needed to fuel the car to head back to Washington DC, after visiting his Caucasian mother who works in the Alexian retirement Center in the mountains of Chattanooga, such a beautiful place with hatefulness all around, did I miss something or should this still be expected? Pardon my description just painting a mental picture for you all, I wish CS mixed with DMSO could harmonize this issue with some of the American family A. Evans/ Nanya Nufushu EL -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com ATOMICSILVER atomicsil...@gmail.com www.atomicsilver.info
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I totally agree Garnet. This is not the place for religious discussions and certainly not the place for misguided prejudice. Knock it off Bruce. Cyndi Garnet wrote: The list rules prohibit religious discussions. It's a private list. Just because the list owner is away is no reason to disrespect the rules we agree to when we subscribe. Garnet http://www.ldndatabase/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Bruce Anderson wrote: Dear Cindi: I am 72yoa. When I was in school most of the boys, and some of the girls, carried pocket knives. We whittled sticks, cut string, etc. and sometimes cut ourselves and the teacher might give us a band-aid. The serious offenses were running in the halls, chewing gum / talking in class and paper wads. NOW it's murder, stabbings, drugs, rape and assault and battery. But then, that is after they ask God to leave. This nation was founded on Judeo/Christian principles The Pledge of allegence contains one nation under God Even our money states In God we trust No one is required to be Christian or Jewish or to participate activity or observance of those groups. At least 80% of our citizens profess to be either Christian or Jewish, so we have at least as much right to express our opinions and be heard as the very vocal 20%. Both groups have the ability and right to turn away, turn it off, or hit the delete button. Bruce A. cyndiann wrote: Melly Bag wrote: It is insecurity at its best because we know some proud, selfish, greedy people are out to get the defenseless. But have no fear, we have a GOD who is watching over us if only we turn and pray to not ignore HIM. Schools were made to take away religion so our kids' consciences would be numb and when recruited by those in power will not have a conscience to bother them when orders are delivered. See? They execute without blinking an eyelash! Melly WTF? Please, lets not go there. There is so much wrong with this post. Religion has no place in schools or should I say putting one single religion in schools while ignoring the rest is wrong. People who are not christian do have a conscience and morals. Indeed, we aren't scared into being moral by a god that makes you afraid to be otherwise. I guess this post most of all lets us see what prejudice is about. Cyndi who wonders why this thread is still going -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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My apologies, but I have never seen a list of rules. I just subscribed as outlined and the mail began to flo. No welcome message or anything so how were we to know? zoe Garnet wrote: The list rules prohibit religious discussions. It's a private list. Just because the list owner is away is no reason to disrespect the rules we agree to when we subscribe. Garnet http://www.ldndatabase/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Bruce Anderson wrote: Dear Cindi: I am 72yoa. When I was in school most of the boys, and some of the girls, carried pocket knives. We whittled sticks, cut string, etc. and sometimes cut ourselves and the teacher might give us a band-aid. The serious offenses were running in the halls, chewing gum / talking in class and paper wads. NOW it's murder, stabbings, drugs, rape and assault and battery. But then, that is after they ask God to leave. This nation was founded on Judeo/Christian principles The Pledge of allegence contains one nation under God Even our money states In God we trust No one is required to be Christian or Jewish or to participate activity or observance of those groups. At least 80% of our citizens profess to be either Christian or Jewish, so we have at least as much right to express our opinions and be heard as the very vocal 20%. Both groups have the ability and right to turn away, turn it off, or hit the delete button. Bruce A. cyndiann wrote: Melly Bag wrote: It is insecurity at its best because we know some proud, selfish, greedy people are out to get the defenseless. But have no fear, we have a GOD who is watching over us if only we turn and pray to not ignore HIM. Schools were made to take away religion so our kids' consciences would be numb and when recruited by those in power will not have a conscience to bother them when orders are delivered. See? They execute without blinking an eyelash! Melly WTF? Please, lets not go there. There is so much wrong with this post. Religion has no place in schools or should I say putting one single religion in schools while ignoring the rest is wrong. People who are not christian do have a conscience and morals. Indeed, we aren't scared into being moral by a god that makes you afraid to be otherwise. I guess this post most of all lets us see what prejudice is about. Cyndi who wonders why this thread is still going -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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The rules are on the list home page, when it is up that is. It's also fairly common netiquette to avoid controversial issues when it does not pertain to the list topic particularly when there is an OT list. I don't think your original posts about stories were a problem Zoe, it was when it drifted. Also anytime a topic goes on for more than a few posts and is not related to Silver or health it is polite to take it to the OT list. Since many are not on the OT list thought there is the tenancy to continue the conversation where it started. I am not a list cop here and don't want to be so I have not said anything until now. I run my own list and try to be flexible, as long as it is health related. But everyone knows that religious issues are a slippery slope and should show respect by just not going there. Obviously Mike, the list owner is not around or he would have jumped in here by now. Garnet http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA zoe w wrote: My apologies, but I have never seen a list of rules. I just subscribed as outlined and the mail began to flo. No welcome message or anything so how were we to know? zoe Garnet wrote: The list rules prohibit religious discussions. It's a private list. Just because the list owner is away is no reason to disrespect the rules we agree to when we subscribe. Garnet http://www.ldndatabase/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Bruce Anderson wrote: Dear Cindi: I am 72yoa. When I was in school most of the boys, and some of the girls, carried pocket knives. We whittled sticks, cut string, etc. and sometimes cut ourselves and the teacher might give us a band-aid. The serious offenses were running in the halls, chewing gum / talking in class and paper wads. NOW it's murder, stabbings, drugs, rape and assault and battery. But then, that is after they ask God to leave. This nation was founded on Judeo/Christian principles The Pledge of allegence contains one nation under God Even our money states In God we trust No one is required to be Christian or Jewish or to participate activity or observance of those groups. At least 80% of our citizens profess to be either Christian or Jewish, so we have at least as much right to express our opinions and be heard as the very vocal 20%. Both groups have the ability and right to turn away, turn it off, or hit the delete button. Bruce A. cyndiann wrote: Melly Bag wrote: It is insecurity at its best because we know some proud, selfish, greedy people are out to get the defenseless. But have no fear, we have a GOD who is watching over us if only we turn and pray to not ignore HIM. Schools were made to take away religion so our kids' consciences would be numb and when recruited by those in power will not have a conscience to bother them when orders are delivered. See? They execute without blinking an eyelash! Melly WTF? Please, lets not go there. There is so much wrong with this post. Religion has no place in schools or should I say putting one single religion in schools while ignoring the rest is wrong. People who are not christian do have a conscience and morals. Indeed, we aren't scared into being moral by a god that makes you afraid to be otherwise. I guess this post most of all lets us see what prejudice is about. Cyndi who wonders why this thread is still going -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I think its on the silver list home page. dee On 5 Oct 2009, at 14:55, zoe w wrote: My apologies, but I have never seen a list of rules. I just subscribed as outlined and the mail began to flo. No welcome message or anything so how were we to know? zoe Garnet wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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As has been noted on several occasions, that homepage no longer exists. zoe Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: I think its on the silver list home page. dee On 5 Oct 2009, at 14:55, zoe w wrote: My apologies, but I have never seen a list of rules. I just subscribed as outlined and the mail began to flo. No welcome message or anything so how were we to know? zoe Garnet wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Appears to be a rumor... Comes up fine on my firefox browser. And my Opera browser... I don't use IE but firefox can open a IE page, and it comes up there also... http://silverlist.org/ An excerpt pertaining to the present discussion: == Prohibited Topics Experience shows that certain topics are clear losers, no matter how carefully they are treated. Politics is forbidden unless it relates directly to CS or important alternative health issues, as mentioned above. Do not discuss political parties, elections, politicians, policy, or philosophy. Do not raise divisive issues -- you know which ones! Do not reply to political comments made by others... Nope, not even to be fair! Avoid discussing religion, mysticism, or spirituality. There is no comment you can make that will not risk offending someone. Overt evangelization is not permitted. Do not reply to religious remarks made by others. I am not asking you to de-God everything you say, do or think, however. Brief greetings, thanks, and prayer requests or offerings are acceptable. The occasional God bless, or you're in our prayers will not be seen as a transgression. Modest tag lines or signature files may also be used. I say again: Criticism of other list members' behavior or how the list is being run must be directed to the list owner, privately and not on the list. No List Cops! Off Topic Posts Posts that are clearly Off Topic are generally discouraged. Do not start an obviously off topic thread. Do not reply to off topic posts made by others. If a thread morphs off-topic, end it or take it off list! There should not be lengthy threads on obviously off-topic subjects. I've provided the Off Topic List for such subjects. This does not apply to threads that result from someone's health related questions as described in the Permitted Topics section above, which may continue until basic information is given and important resources identified. If you are in doubt or have a special need you believe justifies an off topic post, please ask me in private e-mail: mdev...@eskimo.com * So now you know... Chuck Could it be that all those trick-or-treaters wearing sheets aren't going as ghosts but as mattresses? On 10/5/2009 10:31:45 AM, zoe w (mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk) wrote: As has been noted on several occasions, that homepage no longer exists. zoe Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: I think its on the silver list home page. dee On 5 Oct 2009, at 14:55, zoe w wrote: My apologies, but I have never seen a list of rules. I just subscribed as outlined and the mail began to flo. No welcome message or anything so how were we to know? zoe No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.420 / Virus Database: 270.14.3/2415 - Release Date: 10/05/09 06:19:00
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I totally agree! Donna ACS This is nothing to do with the belief or disbelief in God. It is because children are no longer taught from the cradle up, to respect other people and other people's property. There is no discipline and no deterrents, so what do we all expect? Society is reaping the benefits? I think not. dee On 5 Oct 2009, at 02:44, Bruce Anderson wrote: Dear Cindi: I am 72yoa. When I was in school most of the boys, and some of the girls, carried pocket knives. We whittled sticks, cut string, etc. and sometimes cut ourselves and the teacher might give us a band-aid. The serious offenses were running in the halls, chewing gum / talking in class and paper wads. NOW it's murder, stabbings, drugs, rape and assault and battery. But then, that is after they ask God to leave. This nation was founded on Judeo/Christian principles The Pledge of allegence contains one nation under God Even our money states In God we trust -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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My husband is a Tennessean and is the least predjudiced person I know. He is a quiet well mannered person that many have mistaken manners for weakness which is a mistake. Dianne Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:19:04 -0400 From: mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT Good for you Marshall, hopefully there are enuf others like you to change your states reputation amongst those of us who came smack up against the other side. For some reason it seems the negative elements are often the most visible. zoe Marshall Dudley wrote: zoe w wrote: I am so sorry you had to experience this. In my observations across the country anywhere you go in Tennessee seems to be this way. Please don't judge the rest of our beautiful country by this yardstick. My apologies to any Tennesseeans here who do not fit this pattern, this was my observation based on a cross country bus tour a couple years ago. I simply could not believe how different things are in that state. I am Tennessean and definitely do not feel that way. In fact I research material from a number of different tribes, primarily Hopi and Mayan, due to their rich heritage and stories. I am very interested in shamanism of any tribe. I have even attended dancing and drumming ceremonies, and tried to go to a sweat lodge, but my wife objected. The energies are wonderful. There will always be individuals who harbor resentment and animosity, but mostly they will keep it to themselves these days. We can perhaps have some control over how people act in public, but we cannot govern what they think. It would be wonderful if there were some magic pill or elixir that would make this all go away. I have at one time or another lived in just about every area in this land except for the great Northwest. In most of these areas great progress has been made not only towards blacks and indians but other minorities as well. Even so , one will always encounter certain individuals who carry on the old hateful ways. Perhaps in another 500 yrs or so. Its really seems kind of ridiculous these days when most of us are a conglomeration of many many cultures. It is time to show not tolerance, but acceptance and understanding. You may find with the changes coming, that will be changed by 2013. I sure hope so. Marshall My 2 cents worth. zoe Evans, Antonio F. wrote: Greetings all, my heritage includes Blackfoot Native Americans from a reservation at one point in South Carolina, Barbados descendants after slavery (Maternal side) and Colombian Natives, Panamanian Natives and Jamaican descendants from South America (Paternal side), I pass for a small deep brown skin African American male. I was just in Chattanooga Tennessee and the hate I felt from Caucasian men young, middle age and elderly was beyond belief in 2009. You could just feel hate in their stares and blocking our car from the gas pump. A young Caucasian male would not allow my friend, who is half Caucasian and African American, he could pass for a 6'2 moroccon Arab. We needed to fuel the car to head back to Washington DC, after visiting his Caucasian mother who works in the Alexian retirement Center in the mountains of Chattanooga, such a beautiful place with hatefulness all around, did I miss something or should this still be expected? Pardon my description just painting a mental picture for you all, I wish CS mixed with DMSO could harmonize this issue with some of the American family A. Evans/ Nanya Nufushu EL -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/
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My husband is a Tennessean and is the least predjudiced person I know. He is a quiet well mannered person that many have mistaken manners for weakness which is a mistake. Dianne Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:19:04 -0400 From: mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT Good for you Marshall, hopefully there are enuf others like you to change your states reputation amongst those of us who came smack up against the other side. For some reason it seems the negative elements are often the most visible. zoe Marshall Dudley wrote: zoe w wrote: I am so sorry you had to experience this. In my observations across the country anywhere you go in Tennessee seems to be this way. Please don't judge the rest of our beautiful country by this yardstick. My apologies to any Tennesseeans here who do not fit this pattern, this was my observation based on a cross country bus tour a couple years ago. I simply could not believe how different things are in that state. I am Tennessean and definitely do not feel that way. In fact I research material from a number of different tribes, primarily Hopi and Mayan, due to their rich heritage and stories. I am very interested in shamanism of any tribe. I have even attended dancing and drumming ceremonies, and tried to go to a sweat lodge, but my wife objected. The energies are wonderful. There will always be individuals who harbor resentment and animosity, but mostly they will keep it to themselves these days. We can perhaps have some control over how people act in public, but we cannot govern what they think. It would be wonderful if there were some magic pill or elixir that would make this all go away. I have at one time or another lived in just about every area in this land except for the great Northwest. In most of these areas great progress has been made not only towards blacks and indians but other minorities as well. Even so , one will always encounter certain individuals who carry on the old hateful ways. Perhaps in another 500 yrs or so. Its really seems kind of ridiculous these days when most of us are a conglomeration of many many cultures. It is time to show not tolerance, but acceptance and understanding. You may find with the changes coming, that will be changed by 2013. I sure hope so. Marshall My 2 cents worth. zoe Evans, Antonio F. wrote: Greetings all, my heritage includes Blackfoot Native Americans from a reservation at one point in South Carolina, Barbados descendants after slavery (Maternal side) and Colombian Natives, Panamanian Natives and Jamaican descendants from South America (Paternal side), I pass for a small deep brown skin African American male. I was just in Chattanooga Tennessee and the hate I felt from Caucasian men young, middle age and elderly was beyond belief in 2009. You could just feel hate in their stares and blocking our car from the gas pump. A young Caucasian male would not allow my friend, who is half Caucasian and African American, he could pass for a 6'2 moroccon Arab. We needed to fuel the car to head back to Washington DC, after visiting his Caucasian mother who works in the Alexian retirement Center in the mountains of Chattanooga, such a beautiful place with hatefulness all around, did I miss something or should this still be expected? Pardon my description just painting a mental picture for you all, I wish CS mixed with DMSO could harmonize this issue with some of the American family A. Evans/ Nanya Nufushu EL -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/
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Melly Bag wrote: It is insecurity at its best because we know some proud, selfish, greedy people are out to get the defenseless. But have no fear, we have a GOD who is watching over us if only we turn and pray to not ignore HIM. Schools were made to take away religion so our kids' consciences would be numb and when recruited by those in power will not have a conscience to bother them when orders are delivered. See? They execute without blinking an eyelash! Melly WTF? Please, lets not go there. There is so much wrong with this post. Religion has no place in schools or should I say putting one single religion in schools while ignoring the rest is wrong. People who are not christian do have a conscience and morals. Indeed, we aren't scared into being moral by a god that makes you afraid to be otherwise. I guess this post most of all lets us see what prejudice is about. Cyndi who wonders why this thread is still going -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Well said Cyndi, I was wondering when *someone* would put their hands up and say 'enough is enough.' Is Mike away? dee On 4 Oct 2009, at 13:22, cyndiann wrote: Melly Bag wrote: It is insecurity at its best because we know some proud, selfish, greedy people are out to get the defenseless. But have no fear, we have a GOD who is watching over us if only we turn and pray to not ignore HIM. Schools were made to take away religion so our kids' consciences would be numb and when recruited by those in power will not have a conscience to bother them when orders are delivered. See? They execute without blinking an eyelash! Melly WTF? Please, lets not go there. There is so much wrong with this post. Religion has no place in schools or should I say putting one single religion in schools while ignoring the rest is wrong. People who are not christian do have a conscience and morals. Indeed, we aren't scared into being moral by a god that makes you afraid to be otherwise. I guess this post most of all lets us see what prejudice is about. Cyndi who wonders why this thread is still going - -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dear Cindi: I am 72yoa. When I was in school most of the boys, and some of the girls, carried pocket knives. We whittled sticks, cut string, etc. and sometimes cut ourselves and the teacher might give us a band-aid. The serious offenses were running in the halls, chewing gum / talking in class and paper wads. NOW it's murder, stabbings, drugs, rape and assault and battery. But then, that is after they ask God to leave. This nation was founded on Judeo/Christian principles The Pledge of allegence contains one nation under God Even our money states In God we trust No one is required to be Christian or Jewish or to participate activity or observance of those groups. At least 80% of our citizens profess to be either Christian or Jewish, so we have at least as much right to express our opinions and be heard as the very vocal 20%. Both groups have the ability and right to turn away, turn it off, or hit the delete button. Bruce A. cyndiann wrote: Melly Bag wrote: It is insecurity at its best because we know some proud, selfish, greedy people are out to get the defenseless. But have no fear, we have a GOD who is watching over us if only we turn and pray to not ignore HIM. Schools were made to take away religion so our kids' consciences would be numb and when recruited by those in power will not have a conscience to bother them when orders are delivered. See? They execute without blinking an eyelash! Melly WTF? Please, lets not go there. There is so much wrong with this post. Religion has no place in schools or should I say putting one single religion in schools while ignoring the rest is wrong. People who are not christian do have a conscience and morals. Indeed, we aren't scared into being moral by a god that makes you afraid to be otherwise. I guess this post most of all lets us see what prejudice is about. Cyndi who wonders why this thread is still going -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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The list rules prohibit religious discussions. It's a private list. Just because the list owner is away is no reason to disrespect the rules we agree to when we subscribe. Garnet http://www.ldndatabase/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Bruce Anderson wrote: Dear Cindi: I am 72yoa. When I was in school most of the boys, and some of the girls, carried pocket knives. We whittled sticks, cut string, etc. and sometimes cut ourselves and the teacher might give us a band-aid. The serious offenses were running in the halls, chewing gum / talking in class and paper wads. NOW it's murder, stabbings, drugs, rape and assault and battery. But then, that is after they ask God to leave. This nation was founded on Judeo/Christian principles The Pledge of allegence contains one nation under God Even our money states In God we trust No one is required to be Christian or Jewish or to participate activity or observance of those groups. At least 80% of our citizens profess to be either Christian or Jewish, so we have at least as much right to express our opinions and be heard as the very vocal 20%. Both groups have the ability and right to turn away, turn it off, or hit the delete button. Bruce A. cyndiann wrote: Melly Bag wrote: It is insecurity at its best because we know some proud, selfish, greedy people are out to get the defenseless. But have no fear, we have a GOD who is watching over us if only we turn and pray to not ignore HIM. Schools were made to take away religion so our kids' consciences would be numb and when recruited by those in power will not have a conscience to bother them when orders are delivered. See? They execute without blinking an eyelash! Melly WTF? Please, lets not go there. There is so much wrong with this post. Religion has no place in schools or should I say putting one single religion in schools while ignoring the rest is wrong. People who are not christian do have a conscience and morals. Indeed, we aren't scared into being moral by a god that makes you afraid to be otherwise. I guess this post most of all lets us see what prejudice is about. Cyndi who wonders why this thread is still going -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Seems to me that those who expect consideration and those who have none, are in the same boat with a drill in hand. Ode On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 20:41 -0700, Sandy wrote: Hi Donna... It is sad the way some people treat others but if we learn from it [in a good way] then we will teach our children not to be prejudice. The man who refused to buy a horse from your Grandfather shows how little he knew because it is a well known fact the Cherokee have a wonderful way with horses. I have found that many people do not know how to act around handicapped people...I feel for your daughter. I had a stroke 6 years ago and do not walk very fast and I have had people honk at me to hurry up and get across the the street...they are in such a hurry they could care less that I might have a problem walking. The funny thing is when someone tries to rush me I get excited and go twice as slow...lol. Sandy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Amen. But Rodgers and Hammerstein would probably find even more rabid opposition today than they did then. I am pleased with the information provided here on Native Americans. Thanks to all who have shared. - Steve N - Original Message - From: Michael Mahoney mmaho...@eoni.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri Oct 02 21:21:52 2009 Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT This thread should probably come to an end but I wanted to add a little something to it before we incur the wrath of he who must be obeyed... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You've_Got_to_Be_Carefully_Taught You've Got to Be Carefully Taught From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia You've Got to Be Carefully Taught (sometimes You've Got to Be Taught or Carefully Taught) is a show tune from the 1949 Rodgers and Hammerstein musical South Pacific. South Pacific received scrutiny for its commentary regarding relationships between different races and ethnic groups. In particular, You've Got to Be Carefully Taught was subject to widespread criticism, judged by some to be too controversial or downright inappropriate for the musical stage. Sung by the character Lieutenant Cable, the song is preceded by a lyric saying racism is not born in you! It happens after you're born... Rodgers and Hammerstein risked the entire South Pacific venture in light of legislative challenges to its decency or supposed Communist agenda. While on a tour of the Southern United States, lawmakers in Georgia introduced a bill outlawing entertainment containing an underlying philosophy inspired by Moscow. One legislator said that a song justifying interracial marriage was implicitly a threat to the American way of life. Rodgers and Hammerstein defended their work strongly. James Michener, upon whose stories South Pacific was based, recalled, The authors replied stubbornly that this number represented why they had wanted to do this play, and that even if it meant the failure of the production, it was going to stay in. You've Got To Be Carefully Taught You've got to be taught To hate and fear, You've got to be taught From year to year, It's got to be drummed In your dear little ear You've got to be carefully taught. You've got to be taught to be afraid Of people whose eyes are oddly made, And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade, You've got to be carefully taught. You've got to be taught before it's too late, Before you are six or seven or eight, To hate all the people your relatives hate, You've got to be carefully taught! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I know what you mean. I'm reminded of a remark I once heard; I have two speeds, slow and stop. If you don't like this one you sure won't be happy with the other. On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 20:41 -0700, Sandy wrote: Hi Donna... It is sad the way some people treat others but if we learn from it [in a good way] then we will teach our children not to be prejudice. The man who refused to buy a horse from your Grandfather shows how little he knew because it is a well known fact the Cherokee have a wonderful way with horses. I have found that many people do not know how to act around handicapped people...I feel for your daughter. I had a stroke 6 years ago and do not walk very fast and I have had people honk at me to hurry up and get across the the street...they are in such a hurry they could care less that I might have a problem walking. The funny thing is when someone tries to rush me I get excited and go twice as slow...lol. Sandy From: Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:39 PM Sandy, Glad you shared your story! It is sad the way people have been so cruel to others. I know being from Cherokee my Grandfather use to deal with alot of discrimination. He had a farm and one time a man came looking to buy a horse from my Grandfather but the man ended up not buying it saying he would never trust an Indian and would not pay him a dime for his horse. I raised my children to be respectful to everyone and not to be prejudice. I also have a handicapped daughter and young children would come up to her wheelchair and ask why she can't walk and their parents would pull them away. I would always try to answer them to let them know. I feel sorry for these kids that are taught prejudice by their ignorant parents, children are not born that way. Donna ACS -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:15 AM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote: After reading all of the different stories here--two important things come to my mindAs a child when topics concerning race came up--- my Mom Dad would say--We all bleed the same color blood-- Being Scottish my family's phrase was We're a' Jock Tamson's bairns. Cheers Kirsteen
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I agree, the pendulum is swinging too far the other way, as it tends to do. dee On 1 Oct 2009, at 23:28, aKa Jhon wrote: In my experience,prejudices have a reason,, and if your definition of 'diversity means all thinking the same,where is the place for prejudice peoples.. just give them a pill??? Maybe they wish for a pill that would the 'others' go away'... oh well I think that the lofty idea of 'the war on racism' is gradually turning into a hideously false ideology. … And this anti-racism will be for the twenty-first century what communism was for the twentieth century: a source of violence. Mike I couldn't help my self,,, Mayer coppa,,or something.. . (There will always be individuals who harbor resentment and animosity, but mostly they will keep it to themselves these days. We can perhaps have some control over how people act in public, but we cannot govern what they think.It would be wonderful if there were some magic pill or elixir that would make this all go away.)
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Ha Ha Thanks Malcolm, I'm going to remember that saying...it certainly replies to me. Sandy --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Malcolm s...@asis.com wrote: From: Malcolm s...@asis.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 1:52 AM I know what you mean. I'm reminded of a remark I once heard; I have two speeds, slow and stop. If you don't like this one you sure won't be happy with the other. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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It all boils down to lack of LOVE. If only from childhood we are all taught to love everyone dearly, and to overcome hurt, anger and disappointments with love, i think the world would not be as it is. And also if from childhood we were taught not to nurse our PRIDE too much, then we would not be where we are now. PRIDE is the source of all evil while LOVE is the source of all goodness. But, this is difficult and needs much training and self discipline. Melly --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Malcolm s...@asis.com wrote: From: Malcolm s...@asis.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 2:52 AM I know what you mean. I'm reminded of a remark I once heard; I have two speeds, slow and stop. If you don't like this one you sure won't be happy with the other. On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 20:41 -0700, Sandy wrote: Hi Donna... It is sad the way some people treat others but if we learn from it [in a good way] then we will teach our children not to be prejudice. The man who refused to buy a horse from your Grandfather shows how little he knew because it is a well known fact the Cherokee have a wonderful way with horses. I have found that many people do not know how to act around handicapped people...I feel for your daughter. I had a stroke 6 years ago and do not walk very fast and I have had people honk at me to hurry up and get across the the street...they are in such a hurry they could care less that I might have a problem walking. The funny thing is when someone tries to rush me I get excited and go twice as slow...lol. Sandy From: Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:39 PM Sandy, Glad you shared your story! It is sad the way people have been so cruel to others. I know being from Cherokee my Grandfather use to deal with alot of discrimination. He had a farm and one time a man came looking to buy a horse from my Grandfather but the man ended up not buying it saying he would never trust an Indian and would not pay him a dime for his horse. I raised my children to be respectful to everyone and not to be prejudice. I also have a handicapped daughter and young children would come up to her wheelchair and ask why she can't walk and their parents would pull them away. I would always try to answer them to let them know. I feel sorry for these kids that are taught prejudice by their ignorant parents, children are not born that way. Donna ACS -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I agree. It also boils down to fear. There is so much fearmongering going around, it is no wonder people are becoming more afraid of anyone who is not like us. On Oct 2, 2009, at 8:52 AM, Melly Bag wrote: It all boils down to lack of LOVE. If only from childhood we are all taught to love everyone dearly, and to overcome hurt, anger and disappointments with love, i think the world would not be as it is. And also if from childhood we were taught not to nurse our PRIDE too much, then we would not be where we are now. PRIDE is the source of all evil while LOVE is the source of all goodness. But, this is difficult and needs much training and self discipline. Melly --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Malcolm s...@asis.com wrote: From: Malcolm s...@asis.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 2:52 AM I know what you mean. I'm reminded of a remark I once heard; I have two speeds, slow and stop. If you don't like this one you sure won't be happy with the other. On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 20:41 -0700, Sandy wrote: Hi Donna... It is sad the way some people treat others but if we learn from it [in a good way] then we will teach our children not to be prejudice. The man who refused to buy a horse from your Grandfather shows how little he knew because it is a well known fact the Cherokee have a wonderful way with horses. I have found that many people do not know how to act around handicapped people...I feel for your daughter. I had a stroke 6 years ago and do not walk very fast and I have had people honk at me to hurry up and get across the the street...they are in such a hurry they could care less that I might have a problem walking. The funny thing is when someone tries to rush me I get excited and go twice as slow...lol. Sandy
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It is insecurity at its best because we know some proud, selfish, greedy people are out to get the defenseless. But have no fear, we have a GOD who is watching over us if only we turn and pray to not ignore HIM. Schools were made to take away religion so our kids' consciences would be numb and when recruited by those in power will not have a conscience to bother them when orders are delivered. See? They execute without blinking an eyelash! Melly --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote: From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 10:45 AM I agree. It also boils down to fear. There is so much fearmongering going around, it is no wonder people are becoming more afraid of anyone who is not like us. On Oct 2, 2009, at 8:52 AM, Melly Bag wrote: It all boils down to lack of LOVE. If only from childhood we are all taught to love everyone dearly, and to overcome hurt, anger and disappointments with love, i think the world would not be as it is. And also if from childhood we were taught not to nurse our PRIDE too much, then we would not be where we are now. PRIDE is the source of all evil while LOVE is the source of all goodness. But, this is difficult and needs much training and self discipline. Melly --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Malcolm s...@asis.com wrote: From: Malcolm s...@asis.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 2:52 AM I know what you mean. I'm reminded of a remark I once heard; I have two speeds, slow and stop. If you don't like this one you sure won't be happy with the other. On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 20:41 -0700, Sandy wrote: Hi Donna... It is sad the way some people treat others but if we learn from it [in a good way] then we will teach our children not to be prejudice. The man who refused to buy a horse from your Grandfather shows how little he knew because it is a well known fact the Cherokee have a wonderful way with horses. I have found that many people do not know how to act around handicapped people...I feel for your daughter. I had a stroke 6 years ago and do not walk very fast and I have had people honk at me to hurry up and get across the the street...they are in such a hurry they could care less that I might have a problem walking. The funny thing is when someone tries to rush me I get excited and go twice as slow...lol. Sandy
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zoe w wrote: I am so sorry you had to experience this. In my observations across the country anywhere you go in Tennessee seems to be this way. Please don't judge the rest of our beautiful country by this yardstick.My apologies to any Tennesseeans here who do not fit this pattern, this was my observation based on a cross country bus tour a couple years ago.I simply could not believe how different things are in that state. I am Tennessean and definitely do not feel that way. In fact I research material from a number of different tribes, primarily Hopi and Mayan, due to their rich heritage and stories. I am very interested in shamanism of any tribe. I have even attended dancing and drumming ceremonies, and tried to go to a sweat lodge, but my wife objected. The energies are wonderful. There will always be individuals who harbor resentment and animosity, but mostly they will keep it to themselves these days. We can perhaps have some control over how people act in public, but we cannot govern what they think.It would be wonderful if there were some magic pill or elixir that would make this all go away. I have at one time or another lived in just about every area in this land except for the great Northwest. In most of these areas great progress has been made not only towards blacks and indians but other minorities as well. Even so , one will always encounter certain individuals who carry on the old hateful ways. Perhaps in another 500 yrs or so. Its really seems kind of ridiculous these days when most of us are a conglomeration of many many cultures. It is time to show not tolerance, but acceptance and understanding. You may find with the changes coming, that will be changed by 2013. I sure hope so. Marshall My 2 cents worth. zoe Evans, Antonio F. wrote: Greetings all, my heritage includes Blackfoot Native Americans from a reservation at one point in South Carolina, Barbados descendants after slavery (Maternal side) and Colombian Natives, Panamanian Natives and Jamaican descendants from South America (Paternal side), I pass for a small deep brown skin African American male. I was just in Chattanooga Tennessee and the hate I felt from Caucasian men young, middle age and elderly was beyond belief in 2009. You could just feel hate in their stares and blocking our car from the gas pump. A young Caucasian male would not allow my friend, who is half Caucasian and African American, he could pass for a 6'2 moroccon Arab. We needed to fuel the car to head back to Washington DC, after visiting his Caucasian mother who works in the Alexian retirement Center in the mountains of Chattanooga, such a beautiful place with hatefulness all around, did I miss something or should this still be expected? Pardon my description just painting a mental picture for you all, I wish CS mixed with DMSO could harmonize this issue with some of the American family A. Evans/ Nanya Nufushu EL -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Good for you Marshall, hopefully there are enuf others like you to change your states reputation amongst those of us who came smack up against the other side. For some reason it seems the negative elements are often the most visible. zoe Marshall Dudley wrote: zoe w wrote: I am so sorry you had to experience this. In my observations across the country anywhere you go in Tennessee seems to be this way. Please don't judge the rest of our beautiful country by this yardstick.My apologies to any Tennesseeans here who do not fit this pattern, this was my observation based on a cross country bus tour a couple years ago.I simply could not believe how different things are in that state. I am Tennessean and definitely do not feel that way. In fact I research material from a number of different tribes, primarily Hopi and Mayan, due to their rich heritage and stories. I am very interested in shamanism of any tribe. I have even attended dancing and drumming ceremonies, and tried to go to a sweat lodge, but my wife objected. The energies are wonderful. There will always be individuals who harbor resentment and animosity, but mostly they will keep it to themselves these days. We can perhaps have some control over how people act in public, but we cannot govern what they think.It would be wonderful if there were some magic pill or elixir that would make this all go away. I have at one time or another lived in just about every area in this land except for the great Northwest. In most of these areas great progress has been made not only towards blacks and indians but other minorities as well. Even so , one will always encounter certain individuals who carry on the old hateful ways. Perhaps in another 500 yrs or so. Its really seems kind of ridiculous these days when most of us are a conglomeration of many many cultures. It is time to show not tolerance, but acceptance and understanding. You may find with the changes coming, that will be changed by 2013. I sure hope so. Marshall My 2 cents worth. zoe Evans, Antonio F. wrote: Greetings all, my heritage includes Blackfoot Native Americans from a reservation at one point in South Carolina, Barbados descendants after slavery (Maternal side) and Colombian Natives, Panamanian Natives and Jamaican descendants from South America (Paternal side), I pass for a small deep brown skin African American male. I was just in Chattanooga Tennessee and the hate I felt from Caucasian men young, middle age and elderly was beyond belief in 2009. You could just feel hate in their stares and blocking our car from the gas pump. A young Caucasian male would not allow my friend, who is half Caucasian and African American, he could pass for a 6'2 moroccon Arab. We needed to fuel the car to head back to Washington DC, after visiting his Caucasian mother who works in the Alexian retirement Center in the mountains of Chattanooga, such a beautiful place with hatefulness all around, did I miss something or should this still be expected? Pardon my description just painting a mental picture for you all, I wish CS mixed with DMSO could harmonize this issue with some of the American family A. Evans/ Nanya Nufushu EL -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Marshall, any good Mayan stories to share ? I am living in the Mayan Mountains ( Belize ) and am working with the Maya every day .amazing people ! thanks Richard On 02/10/2009, at 10:01, Marshall Dudley wrote: zoe w wrote: I am so sorry you had to experience this. In my observations across the country anywhere you go in Tennessee seems to be this way. Please don't judge the rest of our beautiful country by this yardstick.My apologies to any Tennesseeans here who do not fit this pattern, this was my observation based on a cross country bus tour a couple years ago.I simply could not believe how different things are in that state. I am Tennessean and definitely do not feel that way. In fact I research material from a number of different tribes, primarily Hopi and Mayan, due to their rich heritage and stories. I am very interested in shamanism of any tribe. I have even attended dancing and drumming ceremonies, and tried to go to a sweat lodge, but my wife objected. The energies are wonderful. There will always be individuals who harbor resentment and animosity, but mostly they will keep it to themselves these days. We can perhaps have some control over how people act in public, but we cannot govern what they think.It would be wonderful if there were some magic pill or elixir that would make this all go away. I have at one time or another lived in just about every area in this land except for the great Northwest. In most of these areas great progress has been made not only towards blacks and indians but other minorities as well. Even so , one will always encounter certain individuals who carry on the old hateful ways. Perhaps in another 500 yrs or so. Its really seems kind of ridiculous these days when most of us are a conglomeration of many many cultures. It is time to show not tolerance, but acceptance and understanding. You may find with the changes coming, that will be changed by 2013. I sure hope so. Marshall My 2 cents worth. zoe Evans, Antonio F. wrote: Greetings all, my heritage includes Blackfoot Native Americans from a reservation at one point in South Carolina, Barbados descendants after slavery (Maternal side) and Colombian Natives, Panamanian Natives and Jamaican descendants from South America (Paternal side), I pass for a small deep brown skin African American male. I was just in Chattanooga Tennessee and the hate I felt from Caucasian men young, middle age and elderly was beyond belief in 2009. You could just feel hate in their stares and blocking our car from the gas pump. A young Caucasian male would not allow my friend, who is half Caucasian and African American, he could pass for a 6'2 moroccon Arab. We needed to fuel the car to head back to Washington DC, after visiting his Caucasian mother who works in the Alexian retirement Center in the mountains of Chattanooga, such a beautiful place with hatefulness all around, did I miss something or should this still be expected? Pardon my description just painting a mental picture for you all, I wish CS mixed with DMSO could harmonize this issue with some of the American family A. Evans/ Nanya Nufushu EL -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com ATOMICSILVER atomicsil...@gmail.com www.atomicsilver.info
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amen to that Melly!...2nd Chronicles 7:14 Peter - Original Message - From: Melly Bag To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:15 AM Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT It is insecurity at its best because we know some proud, selfish, greedy people are out to get the defenseless. But have no fear, we have a GOD who is watching over us if only we turn and pray to not ignore HIM. Schools were made to take away religion so our kids' consciences would be numb and when recruited by those in power will not have a conscience to bother them when orders are delivered. See? They execute without blinking an eyelash! Melly --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote: From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 10:45 AM I agree. It also boils down to fear. There is so much fearmongering going around, it is no wonder people are becoming more afraid of anyone who is not like us. On Oct 2, 2009, at 8:52 AM, Melly Bag wrote: It all boils down to lack of LOVE. If only from childhood we are all taught to love everyone dearly, and to overcome hurt, anger and disappointments with love, i think the world would not be as it is. And also if from childhood we were taught not to nurse our PRIDE too much, then we would not be where we are now. PRIDE is the source of all evil while LOVE is the source of all goodness. But, this is difficult and needs much training and self discipline. Melly --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Malcolm s...@asis.com wrote: From: Malcolm s...@asis.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 2:52 AM I know what you mean. I'm reminded of a remark I once heard; I have two speeds, slow and stop. If you don't like this one you sure won't be happy with the other. On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 20:41 -0700, Sandy wrote: Hi Donna... It is sad the way some people treat others but if we learn from it [in a good way] then we will teach our children not to be prejudice. The man who refused to buy a horse from your Grandfather shows how little he knew because it is a well known fact the Cherokee have a wonderful way with horses. I have found that many people do not know how to act around handicapped people...I feel for your daughter. I had a stroke 6 years ago and do not walk very fast and I have had people honk at me to hurry up and get across the the street...they are in such a hurry they could care less that I might have a problem walking. The funny thing is when someone tries to rush me I get excited and go twice as slow...lol. Sandy
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I love this group !! You folks are great !! Lois In a message dated 10/2/2009 12:01:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mdud...@king-cart.com writes: zoe w wrote: I am so sorry you had to experience this. In my observations across the country anywhere you go in Tennessee seems to be this way. Please don't judge the rest of our beautiful country by this yardstick. My apologies to any Tennesseeans here who do not fit this pattern, this was my observation based on a cross country bus tour a couple years ago.I simply could not believe how different things are in that state. I am Tennessean and definitely do not feel that way. In fact I research material from a number of different tribes, primarily Hopi and Mayan, due to their rich heritage and stories. I am very interested in shamanism of any tribe. I have even attended dancing and drumming ceremonies, and tried to go to a sweat lodge, but my wife objected. The energies are wonderful. There will always be individuals who harbor resentment and animosity, but mostly they will keep it to themselves these days. We can perhaps have some control over how people act in public, but we cannot govern what they think.It would be wonderful if there were some magic pill or elixir that would make this all go away. I have at one time or another lived in just about every area in this land except for the great Northwest. In most of these areas great progress has been made not only towards blacks and indians but other minorities as well. Even so , one will always encounter certain individuals who carry on the old hateful ways. Perhaps in another 500 yrs or so. Its really seems kind of ridiculous these days when most of us are a conglomeration of many many cultures. It is time to show not tolerance, but acceptance and understanding. You may find with the changes coming, that will be changed by 2013. I sure hope so. Marshall My 2 cents worth. zoe Evans, Antonio F. wrote: Greetings all, my heritage includes Blackfoot Native Americans from a reservation at one point in South Carolina, Barbados descendants after slavery (Maternal side) and Colombian Natives, Panamanian Natives and Jamaican descendants from South America (Paternal side), I pass for a small deep brown skin African American male. I was just in Chattanooga Tennessee and the hate I felt from Caucasian men young, middle age and elderly was beyond belief in 2009. You could just feel hate in their stares and blocking our car from the gas pump. A young Caucasian male would not allow my friend, who is half Caucasian and African American, he could pass for a 6'2 moroccon Arab. We needed to fuel the car to head back to Washington DC, after visiting his Caucasian mother who works in the Alexian retirement Center in the mountains of Chattanooga, such a beautiful place with hatefulness all around, did I miss something or should this still be expected? Pardon my description just painting a mental picture for you all, I wish CS mixed with DMSO could harmonize this issue with some of the American family A. Evans/ Nanya Nufushu EL
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This thread should probably come to an end but I wanted to add a little something to it before we incur the wrath of he who must be obeyed... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You've_Got_to_Be_Carefully_Taught You've Got to Be Carefully Taught From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia You've Got to Be Carefully Taught (sometimes You've Got to Be Taught or Carefully Taught) is a show tune from the 1949 Rodgers and Hammerstein musical South Pacific. South Pacific received scrutiny for its commentary regarding relationships between different races and ethnic groups. In particular, You've Got to Be Carefully Taught was subject to widespread criticism, judged by some to be too controversial or downright inappropriate for the musical stage. Sung by the character Lieutenant Cable, the song is preceded by a lyric saying racism is not born in you! It happens after you're born... Rodgers and Hammerstein risked the entire South Pacific venture in light of legislative challenges to its decency or supposed Communist agenda. While on a tour of the Southern United States, lawmakers in Georgia introduced a bill outlawing entertainment containing an underlying philosophy inspired by Moscow. One legislator said that a song justifying interracial marriage was implicitly a threat to the American way of life. Rodgers and Hammerstein defended their work strongly. James Michener, upon whose stories South Pacific was based, recalled, The authors replied stubbornly that this number represented why they had wanted to do this play, and that even if it meant the failure of the production, it was going to stay in. You've Got To Be Carefully Taught You've got to be taught To hate and fear, You've got to be taught From year to year, It's got to be drummed In your dear little ear You've got to be carefully taught. You've got to be taught to be afraid Of people whose eyes are oddly made, And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade, You've got to be carefully taught. You've got to be taught before it's too late, Before you are six or seven or eight, To hate all the people your relatives hate, You've got to be carefully taught! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Greetings all, my heritage includes Blackfoot Native Americans from a reservation at one point in South Carolina, Barbados descendants after slavery (Maternal side) and Colombian Natives, Panamanian Natives and Jamaican descendants from South America (Paternal side), I pass for a small deep brown skin African American male. I was just in Chattanooga Tennessee and the hate I felt from Caucasian men young, middle age and elderly was beyond belief in 2009. You could just feel hate in their stares and blocking our car from the gas pump. A young Caucasian male would not allow my friend, who is half Caucasian and African American, he could pass for a 6'2 moroccon Arab. We needed to fuel the car to head back to Washington DC, after visiting his Caucasian mother who works in the Alexian retirement Center in the mountains of Chattanooga, such a beautiful place with hatefulness all around, did I miss something or should this still be expected? Pardon my description just painting a mental picture for you all, I wish CS mixed with DMSO could harmonize this issue with some of the American family A. Evans/ Nanya Nufushu EL -Original Message- From: AHorse52251 [mailto:ahorse52...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:55 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT Apparently I have lived a much-too-sheltered life. I was not aware that there was such prejudice against NAs. I'm sorry. I look at things a bit backward from the rest of the world anyway. I remember as a child my mother was explaining to me how the Jews were hated and what Hitler had done. My question was why did people hate the Jews when it should be the Germans that were hated? Of course, no one nationality should be *hated* for anything. That would be like throwing the baby out with the bath water. It can be hard, however...especially when it seems a whole country backs the craziness. I wonder how many times NAs have saved our white butts... Janis --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 10:29 PM Yes, Zoe...I know. I've tried to learn from the things that have come my way whether good or bad. If we learn to be better from the negative things then they in one respect are a positive learning experience. My father's negativity has taught me how to be a better parent...I will always be there for my children and they know that. I knew you all would understand what I was saying because we experience similar things. I guess the point I was making is...whether it happened hundreds of years ago it is still happening today and unless you are aware of how the NAs were treated most people would have no idea. Prejudice is terrible and I have hopes that one day it will be done away with but it will only happen through teaching the future generations not to practice it. Sandy --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 6:47 PM Sorry hit the wrong button earlier. Sandy thanks so much for sharing your story. It is unfortunate, but many of us suffered similar torments. Hang on to that pride, it will carry you thru many a trial and tribulation. zoe zoe w wrote: Sandy wrote: My Great-Grandmother was full blood Apache but she died before I had the opportunity to meet her. My Mother used to tell us stories about Geronimo and the Superstition Mountains in Arizona, my mother's birth place. She took us to see the bluff [Medicine Bluff] where he and his horse jumped from into the Medicine River to get away from the US Calvary...he lived and did get away. My Mother was a half-breed and as a child when walking in Phoenix the white men would spit on her and her family and then they [the white people] would cross to the other side of the street so as to not be soiled by their presence. I lived with prejudice from within my own father's family [his mother did not want anything to do with us Native American brown skinned children]...even from my own father. Now that my Mother has passed on my father claims we are not Apache but he lies...my Mother was very proud of her heritage and wanted her children to be proud of it too and we are. Just thought I would share some of my Native American history. Sandy --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages
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Very well stated. Yes it is still happening today and in some ways its even worse than it was hundreds of years ago. But we have survived !!! Even tho not many pure bloods left, and most of us now of mixed ancestry, what little blood is left is very strong. The ancestors are speaking thru us and I find it all just amazing. AND we seem to be finding each other in the most unusual ways, as on this list. We shall not be forgotten, nor put in a cubbyhole for safe keeping. zoe Sandy wrote: Yes, Zoe...I know. I've tried to learn from the things that have come my way whether good or bad. If we learn to be better from the negative things then they in one respect are a positive learning experience. My father's negativity has taught me how to be a better parent...I will always be there for my children and they know that. I knew you all would understand what I was saying because we experience similar things. I guess the point I was making is...whether it happened hundreds of years ago it is still happening today and unless you are aware of how the NAs were treated most people would have no idea. Prejudice is terrible and I have hopes that one day it will be done away with but it will only happen through teaching the future generations not to practice it. Sandy --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 6:47 PM Sorry hit the wrong button earlier. Sandy thanks so much for sharing your story. It is unfortunate, but many of us suffered similar torments.Hang on to that pride, it will carry you thru many a trial and tribulation. zoe zoe w wrote: Sandy wrote: My Great-Grandmother was full blood Apache but she died before I had the opportunity to meet her. My Mother used to tell us stories about Geronimo and the Superstition Mountains in Arizona, my mother's birth place. She took us to see the bluff [Medicine Bluff] where he and his horse jumped from into the Medicine River to get away from the US Calvary...he lived and did get away. My Mother was a half-breed and as a child when walking in Phoenix the white men would spit on her and her family and then they [the white people] would cross to the other side of the street so as to not be soiled by their presence. I lived with prejudice from within my own father's family [his mother did not want anything to do with us Native American brown skinned children]...even from my own father. Now that my Mother has passed on my father claims we are not Apache but he lies...my Mother was very proud of her heritage and wanted her children to be proud of it too and we are. Just thought I would share some of my Native American history. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Predjudice is born out of ignorance.Human beings tend to fear what they don't understand. Education is the key to understanding, but its a long slow arduous process. We make inroads in one area only to get slapped in the face in another. And Yes, NAs as you put it have saved our butts many many times. The Navajo code talkers for instance was the only code the Japanese couldn't break during WWII but look how they were treated until just recently. My ancestry lies on both sides of the fence so to speak as well as a few other fences so you will often see me referring to another side as mine. I travel all those roads with equal balance and I think it contributes to my understanding of the nature of things. zoe AHorse52251 wrote: Apparently I have lived a much-too-sheltered life. I was not aware that there was such prejudice against NAs. I'm sorry. I look at things a bit backward from the rest of the world anyway. I remember as a child my mother was explaining to me how the Jews were hated and what Hitler had done. My question was why did people hate the Jews when it should be the Germans that were hated? Of course, no one nationality should be *hated* for anything. That would be like throwing the baby out with the bath water. It can be hard, however...especially when it seems a whole country backs the craziness. I wonder how many times NAs have saved our white butts... Janis --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi There Namesake with a y - I simply love your attitude and sense of humor, both of which make us who we are Warmest regards Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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My NA ancestors chose to not go to a res- they feared extermination once all were corralled, which is what happened over and over, but happily not in all places. They moved West, which they said had much less hatred for blood and much more respect for the individual and his accomplishments; they intermarried, and by the time my grandmother was growing up, she was told she was part Cherokee, but to keep it a secret or it would be very bad. She had that lovely olive skin, which I have also been blessed with. As she taught languages, esp Spanish, she could pass for European. I also have some Cheyenne and some Canawaka. My ancestors found love to be the most important thing, so did not pay much attention to the issues of heritage. Sometimes I feel the loss of that heritage. I saw on PBS a man who paid money to have his blood analyzed by a genetic company, and it was found he was mainly NA. This was something he never knew, he looked Irish, and his family said he was Irish, none of the current generation knew anything about it. He started attending the powwows, and enjoying his newly found connection. I think if we looked into it in that kind of detail, we would see that most of us came from somewhere else at one time, it is only human nature to move around, fall in love, and put in new roots in a new place. If one's family has been on this continent long enough, it is probable that one has some NA ancestry. After all, in the 1600's, there were not many Europeans to marry, and with a growing population it is only natural to intermarry. In my family, we have ancestors that have fought in every war and on every side- so who is to judge who is right or wrong? It is important to honor everyone. One thing is we are taught to stand up for what we believe in, after thinking about if it is true, is it necessary, is it kind? In a hundred years, what will happen if we follow this course of action- will it be good or bad? Many things will not matter at all, so best not to put too much attention there. What is funny to me, is that living in Mn, everyone thinks I am from some foreign country, but my husband who has much more NA blood than I do, looks totally white. It does come in very handy when travel abroad, though, I fit in just about everywhere I go, as long as I don't open my mouth- lol Cheers, Kathryn On Oct 1, 2009, at 6:10 AM, zoe w wrote: Very well stated. Yes it is still happening today and in some ways its even worse than it was hundreds of years ago. But we have survived !!! Even tho not many pure bloods left, and most of us now of mixed ancestry, what little blood is left is very strong. The ancestors are speaking thru us and I find it all just amazing. AND we seem to be finding each other in the most unusual ways, as on this list. We shall not be forgotten, nor put in a cubbyhole for safe keeping. zoe Sandy wrote: Yes, Zoe...I know. I've tried to learn from the things that have come my way whether good or bad. If we learn to be bett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Fantastic Story Kathryn and not unlike my own. My favorite quip is that some of my ancestors came here on a boat and the rest were on the shore to greet them. :) Yes my French ancestors arrived here in 1685- French Hugonauts(sp) fleeing from certain execution. But after 3 generations they were no longer French, only the name survived. And there is more. Anyone with French and Indian ancestry is also most likely black as they were close allies. Almost no one in my family wants to own up to this even tho the geneology report verifies.I have a picture of one of my great grandfathers and aside from being very Indian his skin was unusually dark and his features reminiscent of West Indian. Those few of us who did embrace this part of our heritage were quickly ostracized by the rest of our family, so you see prejudice is not just out there we have it right within our family. None of us ever lived on a reservation nor do we wish to. We passed and got away with it. ( OOOPS I take that back. My grandpas oldest brother did go to a Reservation and lived out his days there thats a story for another time) Interestingly on the 1880 Census every member of that family was listed as mulatto. By 1920 they had all moved to an adjoining county and these same people are now listed as white and have been ever since. When having to fill out the question of nationality I no longer claim either white or native american but always check other and let them guess. LOL Tis the Indian side tho that tugs at my heartstrings and I live as close to the earth as is humanly possible in this day and age. At 65 I found myself a mountain man and left my home to move to his mountain and live off the land, etc. Quite a change and except for the isolation I love it. zoe Clayton Family wrote: My NA ancestors chose to not go to a res- they feared extermination once all were corralled, which is what happened over and over, but happily not in all places. They moved West, which they said had much less hatred for blood and much more respect for the individual and his accomplishments; they intermarried, and by the time my grandmother was growing up, she was told she was part Cherokee, but to keep it a secret or it would be very bad. She had that lovely olive skin, which I have also been blessed with. As she taught languages, esp Spanish, she could pass for European. I also have some Cheyenne and some Canawaka. My ancestors found love to be the most important thing, so did not pay much attention to the issues of heritage. Sometimes I feel the loss of that heritage. I saw on PBS a man who paid money to have his blood analyzed by a genetic company, and it was found he was mainly NA. This was something he never knew, he looked Irish, and his family said he was Irish, none of the current generation knew anything about it. He started attending the powwows, and enjoying his newly found connection. I think if we looked into it in that kind of detail, we would see that most of us came from somewhere else at one time, it is only human nature to move around, fall in love, and put in new roots in a new place. If one's family has been on this continent long enough, it is probable that one has some NA ancestry. After all, in the 1600's, there were not many Europeans to marry, and with a growing population it is only natural to intermarry. In my family, we have ancestors that have fought in every war and on every side- so who is to judge who is right or wrong? It is important to honor everyone. One thing is we are taught to stand up for what we believe in, after thinking about if it is true, is it necessary, is it kind? In a hundred years, what will happen if we follow this course of action- will it be good or bad? Many things will not matter at all, so best not to put too much attention there. What is funny to me, is that living in Mn, everyone thinks I am from some foreign country, but my husband who has much more NA blood than I do, looks totally white. It does come in very handy when travel abroad, though, I fit in just about everywhere I go, as long as I don't open my mouth- lol Cheers, Kathryn On Oct 1, 2009, at 6:10 AM, zoe w wrote: Very well stated. Yes it is still happening today and in some ways its even worse than it was hundreds of years ago. But we have survived !!! Even tho not many pure bloods left, and most of us now of mixed ancestry, what little blood is left is very strong. The ancestors are speaking thru us and I find it all just amazing. AND we seem to be finding each other in the most unusual ways, as on this list. We shall not be forgotten, nor put in a cubbyhole for safe keeping. zoe Sandy wrote: Yes, Zoe...I know. I've tried to learn from the things that have come my way whether good or bad. If we learn to be bett -- The Silver List is a
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Thank you, Sandee...not only do our names [almost] match but we must have the same attitude and sense of humor. :) Sandy --- On Thu, 10/1/09, Sandee George oha...@juno.com wrote: From: Sandee George oha...@juno.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 7:08 AM Hi There Namesake with a y - I simply love your attitude and sense of humor, both of which make us who we are Warmest regards Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Sandy wrote: Hi Donna... It is sad the way some people treat others but if we learn from it [in a good way] then we will teach our children not to be prejudice. The man who refused to buy a horse from your Grandfather shows how little he knew because it is a well known fact the Cherokee have a wonderful way with horses. I suspect that the problem was the reputation long ago that Native Americans were what became termed Indian Givers. That is that they would give you something, then later want it back. The problem was the difference in culture, from what I understand, many Indian tribes were communal, and personal ownership of items was not done on many things, they belonged to the tribe to be freely used by whoever needed it. A brave could be in possession of something, and if another one needed it more, he would give it to him. When the situation reversed, so did the transfer. But the Europeans misinterpreted interpreted the giving of something to them as a gift, forever. It was really a big unfortunate misunderstanding. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Right On !Ownership of anything particularly the land, was not a concept they understood at all. zoe Marshall Dudley wrote: Sandy wrote: Hi Donna... It is sad the way some people treat others but if we learn from it [in a good way] then we will teach our children not to be prejudice. The man who refused to buy a horse from your Grandfather shows how little he knew because it is a well known fact the Cherokee have a wonderful way with horses. I suspect that the problem was the reputation long ago that Native Americans were what became termed Indian Givers. That is that they would give you something, then later want it back. The problem was the difference in culture, from what I understand, many Indian tribes were communal, and personal ownership of items was not done on many things, they belonged to the tribe to be freely used by whoever needed it. A brave could be in possession of something, and if another one needed it more, he would give it to him. When the situation reversed, so did the transfer. But the Europeans misinterpreted interpreted the giving of something to them as a gift, forever. It was really a big unfortunate misunderstanding. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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whatever,,, - Original Message - From: Evans, Antonio F. antonio.ev...@va.gov To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:46 AM Subject: RE: CS Native American stories--OT Greetings all, my heritage includes Blackfoot Native Americans from a reservation at one point in South Carolina, Barbados descendants after slavery (Maternal side) and Colombian Natives, Panamanian Natives and Jamaican descendants from South America (Paternal side), I pass for a small deep brown skin African American male. I was just in Chattanooga Tennessee and the hate I felt from Caucasian men young, middle age and elderly was beyond belief in 2009. You could just feel hate in their stares and blocking our car from the gas pump. A young Caucasian male would not allow my friend, who is half Caucasian and African American, he could pass for a 6'2 moroccon Arab. We needed to fuel the car to head back to Washington DC, after visiting his Caucasian mother who works in the Alexian retirement Center in the mountains of Chattanooga, such a beautiful place with hatefulness all around, did I miss something or should this still be expected? Pardon my description just painting a mental picture for you all, I wish CS mixed with DMSO could harmonize this issue with some of the American family A. Evans/ Nanya Nufushu EL -Original Message- From: AHorse52251 [mailto:ahorse52...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:55 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT Apparently I have lived a much-too-sheltered life. I was not aware that there was such prejudice against NAs. I'm sorry. I look at things a bit backward from the rest of the world anyway. I remember as a child my mother was explaining to me how the Jews were hated and what Hitler had done. My question was why did people hate the Jews when it should be the Germans that were hated? Of course, no one nationality should be *hated* for anything. That would be like throwing the baby out with the bath water. It can be hard, however...especially when it seems a whole country backs the craziness. I wonder how many times NAs have saved our white butts... Janis --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 10:29 PM Yes, Zoe...I know. I've tried to learn from the things that have come my way whether good or bad. If we learn to be better from the negative things then they in one respect are a positive learning experience. My father's negativity has taught me how to be a better parent...I will always be there for my children and they know that. I knew you all would understand what I was saying because we experience similar things. I guess the point I was making is...whether it happened hundreds of years ago it is still happening today and unless you are aware of how the NAs were treated most people would have no idea. Prejudice is terrible and I have hopes that one day it will be done away with but it will only happen through teaching the future generations not to practice it. Sandy --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 6:47 PM Sorry hit the wrong button earlier. Sandy thanks so much for sharing your story. It is unfortunate, but many of us suffered similar torments. Hang on to that pride, it will carry you thru many a trial and tribulation. zoe zoe w wrote: Sandy wrote: My Great-Grandmother was full blood Apache but she died before I had the opportunity to meet her. My Mother used to tell us stories about Geronimo and the Superstition Mountains in Arizona, my mother's birth place. She took us to see the bluff [Medicine Bluff] where he and his horse jumped from into the Medicine River to get away from the US Calvary...he lived and did get away. My Mother was a half-breed and as a child when walking in Phoenix the white men would spit on her and her family and then they [the white people] would cross to the other side of the street so as to not be soiled by their presence. I lived with prejudice from within my own father's family [his mother did not want anything to do with us Native American brown skinned children]...even from my own father. Now that my Mother has passed on my father claims we are not Apache but he lies...my Mother was very proud of her heritage and wanted her children to be proud of it too and we are. Just thought I would share some of my Native American history. Sandy --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your
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I am so sorry you had to experience this. In my observations across the country anywhere you go in Tennessee seems to be this way. Please don't judge the rest of our beautiful country by this yardstick.My apologies to any Tennesseeans here who do not fit this pattern, this was my observation based on a cross country bus tour a couple years ago.I simply could not believe how different things are in that state. There will always be individuals who harbor resentment and animosity, but mostly they will keep it to themselves these days. We can perhaps have some control over how people act in public, but we cannot govern what they think.It would be wonderful if there were some magic pill or elixir that would make this all go away. I have at one time or another lived in just about every area in this land except for the great Northwest. In most of these areas great progress has been made not only towards blacks and indians but other minorities as well. Even so , one will always encounter certain individuals who carry on the old hateful ways. Perhaps in another 500 yrs or so. Its really seems kind of ridiculous these days when most of us are a conglomeration of many many cultures. It is time to show not tolerance, but acceptance and understanding. My 2 cents worth. zoe Evans, Antonio F. wrote: Greetings all, my heritage includes Blackfoot Native Americans from a reservation at one point in South Carolina, Barbados descendants after slavery (Maternal side) and Colombian Natives, Panamanian Natives and Jamaican descendants from South America (Paternal side), I pass for a small deep brown skin African American male. I was just in Chattanooga Tennessee and the hate I felt from Caucasian men young, middle age and elderly was beyond belief in 2009. You could just feel hate in their stares and blocking our car from the gas pump. A young Caucasian male would not allow my friend, who is half Caucasian and African American, he could pass for a 6'2 moroccon Arab. We needed to fuel the car to head back to Washington DC, after visiting his Caucasian mother who works in the Alexian retirement Center in the mountains of Chattanooga, such a beautiful place with hatefulness all around, did I miss something or should this still be expected? Pardon my description just painting a mental picture for you all, I wish CS mixed with DMSO could harmonize this issue with some of the American family A. Evans/ Nanya Nufushu EL -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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In my experience,prejudices have a reason,, and if your definition of 'diversity means all thinking the same,where is the place for prejudice peoples.. just give them a pill??? Maybe they wish for a pill that would the 'others' go away'... oh well I think that the lofty idea of 'the war on racism' is gradually turning into a hideously false ideology. . And this anti-racism will be for the twenty-first century what communism was for the twentieth century: a source of violence. Mike I couldn't help my self,,, Mayer coppa,,or something.. . (There will always be individuals who harbor resentment and animosity, but mostly they will keep it to themselves these days. We can perhaps have some control over how people act in public, but we cannot govern what they think.It would be wonderful if there were some magic pill or elixir that would make this all go away.)
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After reading all of the different stories here--two important things come to my mindAs a child when topics concerning race came up--- my Mom Dad would say--We all bleed the same color blood-- If I ever got upset about breaking something They would say to me -- It didn't bleed which meant of course it was not that important... Lois In a message dated 10/1/2009 10:10:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, clay...@skypoint.com writes: My NA ancestors chose to not go to a res- they feared extermination once all were corralled, which is what happened over and over, but happily not in all places. They moved West, which they said had much less hatred for blood and much more respect for the individual and his accomplishments; they intermarried, and by the time my grandmother was growing up, she was told she was part Cherokee, but to keep it a secret or it would be very bad. She had that lovely olive skin, which I have also been blessed with. As she taught languages, esp Spanish, she could pass for European. I also have some Cheyenne and some Canawaka. My ancestors found love to be the most important thing, so did not pay much attention to the issues of heritage. Sometimes I feel the loss of that heritage. I saw on PBS a man who paid money to have his blood analyzed by a genetic company, and it was found he was mainly NA. This was something he never knew, he looked Irish, and his family said he was Irish, none of the current generation knew anything about it. He started attending the powwows, and enjoying his newly found connection. I think if we looked into it in that kind of detail, we would see that most of us came from somewhere else at one time, it is only human nature to move around, fall in love, and put in new roots in a new place. If one's family has been on this continent long enough, it is probable that one has some NA ancestry. After all, in the 1600's, there were not many Europeans to marry, and with a growing population it is only natural to intermarry. In my family, we have ancestors that have fought in every war and on every side- so who is to judge who is right or wrong? It is important to honor everyone. One thing is we are taught to stand up for what we believe in, after thinking about if it is true, is it necessary, is it kind? In a hundred years, what will happen if we follow this course of action- will it be good or bad? Many things will not matter at all, so best not to put too much attention there. What is funny to me, is that living in Mn, everyone thinks I am from some foreign country, but my husband who has much more NA blood than I do, looks totally white. It does come in very handy when travel abroad, though, I fit in just about everywhere I go, as long as I don't open my mouth- lol Cheers, Kathryn On Oct 1, 2009, at 6:10 AM, zoe w wrote: Very well stated. Yes it is still happening today and in some ways its even worse than it was hundreds of years ago. But we have survived !!! Even tho not many pure bloods left, and most of us now of mixed ancestry, what little blood is left is very strong. The ancestors are speaking thru us and I find it all just amazing. AND we seem to be finding each other in the most unusual ways, as on this list. We shall not be forgotten, nor put in a cubbyhole for safe keeping. zoe Sandy wrote: Yes, Zoe...I know. I've tried to learn from the things that have come my way whether good or bad. If we learn to be bett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Excellent advice, you were lucky to have that kind of upbringing. zoe zzekel...@aol.com wrote: After reading all of the different stories here--two important things come to my mindAs a child when topics concerning race came up--- my Mom Dad would say--We all bleed the same color blood-- If I ever got upset about breaking something They would say to me -- It didn't bleed which meant of course it was not that important... Lois In a message dated 10/1/2009 10:10:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, clay...@skypoint.com writes: My NA ancestors chose to not go to a res- they feared extermination once all were corralled, which is what happened over and over, but happily not in all places. They moved West, which they said had much less hatred for blood and much more respect for the individual and his accomplishments; they intermarried, and by the time my grandmother was growing up, she was told she was part Cherokee, but to keep it a secret or it would be very bad. She had that lovely olive skin, which I have also been blessed with. As she taught languages, esp Spanish, she could pass for European. I also have some Cheyenne and some Canawaka. My ancestors found love to be the most important thing, so did not pay much attention to the issues of heritage. Sometimes I feel the loss of that heritage. I saw on PBS a man who paid money to have his blood analyzed by a genetic company, and it was found he was mainly NA. This was something he never knew, he looked Irish, and his family said he was Irish, none of the current generation knew anything about it. He started attending the powwows, and enjoying his newly found connection. I think if we looked into it in that kind of detail, we would see that most of us came from somewhere else at one time, it is only human nature to move around, fall in love, and put in new roots in a new place. If one's family has been on this continent long enough, it is probable that one has some NA ancestry. After all, in the 1600's, there were not many Europeans to marry, and with a growing population it is only natural to intermarry. In my family, we have ancestors that have fought in every war and on every side- so who is to judge who is right or wrong? It is important to honor everyone. One thing is we are taught to stand up for what we believe in, after thinking about if it is true, is it necessary, is it kind? In a hundred years, what will happen if we follow this course of action- will it be good or bad? Many things will not matter at all, so best not to put too much attention there. What is funny to me, is that living in Mn, everyone thinks I am from some foreign country, but my husband who has much more NA blood than I do, looks totally white. It does come in very handy when travel abroad, though, I fit in just about everywhere I go, as long as I don't open my mouth- lol Cheers, Kathryn On Oct 1, 2009, at 6:10 AM, zoe w wrote: Very well stated. Yes it is still happening today and in some ways its even worse than it was hundreds of years ago. But we have survived !!! Even tho not many pure bloods left, and most of us now of mixed ancestry, what little blood is left is very strong. The ancestors are speaking thru us and I find it all just amazing. AND we seem to be finding each other in the most unusual ways, as on this list. We shall not be forgotten, nor put in a cubbyhole for safe keeping. zoe Sandy wrote: Yes, Zoe...I know. I've tried to learn from the things that have come my way whether good or bad. If we learn to be bett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Your parents were great people! Donna ACS After reading all of the different stories here--two important things come to my mindAs a child when topics concerning race came up--- my Mom Dad would say--We all bleed the same color blood-- If I ever got upset about breaking something They would say to me -- It didn't bleed which meant of course it was not that important... Lois In a message dated 10/1/2009 10:10:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, clay...@skypoint.com writes: My NA ancestors chose to not go to a res- they feared extermination once all were corralled, which is what happened over and over, but happily not in all places. They moved West, which they said had much less hatred for blood and much more respect for the individual and his accomplishments; they intermarried, and by the time my grandmother was growing up, she was told she was part Cherokee, but to keep it a secret or it would be very bad. She had that lovely olive skin, which I have also been blessed with. As she taught languages, esp Spanish, she could pass for European. I also have some Cheyenne and some Canawaka. My ancestors found love to be the most important thing, so did not pay much attention to the issues of heritage. Sometimes I feel the loss of that heritage. I saw on PBS a man who paid money to have his blood analyzed by a genetic company, and it was found he was mainly NA. This was something he never knew, he looked Irish, and his family said he was Irish, none of the current generation knew anything about it. He started attending the powwows, and enjoying his newly found connection. I think if we looked into it in that kind of detail, we would see that most of us came from somewhere else at one time, it is only human nature to move around, fall in love, and put in new roots in a new place. If one's family has been on this continent long enough, it is probable that one has some NA ancestry. After all, in the 1600's, there were not many Europeans to marry, and with a growing population it is only natural to intermarry. In my family, we have ancestors that have fought in every war and on every side- so who is to judge who is right or wrong? It is important to honor everyone. One thing is we are taught to stand up for what we believe in, after thinking about if it is true, is it necessary, is it kind? In a hundred years, what will happen if we follow this course of action- will it be good or bad? Many things will not matter at all, so best not to put too much attention there. What is funny to me, is that living in Mn, everyone thinks I am from some foreign country, but my husband who has much more NA blood than I do, looks totally white. It does come in very handy when travel abroad, though, I fit in just about everywhere I go, as long as I don't open my mouth- lol Cheers, Kathryn On Oct 1, 2009, at 6:10 AM, zoe w wrote: Very well stated. Yes it is still happening today and in some ways its even worse than it was hundreds of years ago. But we have survived !!! Even tho not many pure bloods left, and most of us now of mixed ancestry, what little blood is left is very strong. The ancestors are speaking thru us and I find it all just amazing. AND we seem to be finding each other in the most unusual ways, as on this list. We shall not be forgotten, nor put in a cubbyhole for safe keeping. zoe Sandy wrote: Yes, Zoe...I know. I've tried to learn from the things that have come my way whether good or bad. If we learn to be bett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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My GGGrandmothers uncle was killed by a Cherokee death squad when they just arrived in Oklahoma. She said that was why our family did not register as NA. The Chief killed my uncle. Looking back I believe the chief was also a cousin. I know his son is a cousin. So your own people and family can also be pretty mean. Brickey
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Zoe, Thank you for posting the group! I am sorry to say I am not a sensitive person, tuned into things around me. I wish I were. I can certainly agree with Lois in what was done to the people native to this country. There *should* have been white bodies hanging from trees all across this country for what the white man did, IMO. No other minority had annihilation attempted on them in this country that I ever heard of. OK, I'll get off my soapbox, not that I want to... Thanks again. I joined and look foreward to the stories! Janis --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: CS Native American stories-- To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:46 PM It is good that you are that sensitive. Yes if you listen closely you can still hear them whisper. I am hardpressed to find any place on this continent that wasn't once either a campground or huntingground or otherwise steeped in the history of one tribe or another. Sleeping out under the stars used to put me in touch with the ancestors, wish I could still do that sort of thing. I can still sit in the woods by myself and get tuned in that way. zoe zzekel...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 9/30/2009 12:22:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk writes: Lois, Most of the stories told by my Grandpa were very personal family stories that would have no meaning to outsiders. Ours have been preserved and are being passed down to successive generations of which there are three beyond myself so far. If you are looking for the generic, creation, myth stories there is a place you can go. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IPLStories/ Wonderful collections of stories here, some old, some new. zoe zoe, I think it is great you are preserving the stories... I am not looking for generic, have read many of them. I live in the land of the Senecas. One of their camps was within walking distance of where I live in Letchworth State Park. It is almost as if I can sense their presence here in my woods. It is said that their winter camp was in this woods. I just appreciate their history abhor what was done to them.. Lois -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Im glad you are enjoying the stories. zoe AHorse52251 wrote: Zoe, Thank you for posting the group! I am sorry to say I am not a sensitive person, tuned into things around me. I wish I were. I can certainly agree with Lois in what was done to the people native to this country. There *should* have been white bodies hanging from trees all across this country for what the white man did, IMO. No other minority had annihilation attempted on them in this country that I ever heard of. OK, I'll get off my soapbox, not that I want to... Thanks again. I joined and look foreward to the stories! Janis --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: CS Native American stories-- To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:46 PM It is good that you are that sensitive. Yes if you listen closely you can still hear them whisper. I am hardpressed to find any place on this continent that wasn't once either a campground or huntingground or otherwise steeped in the history of one tribe or another.Sleeping out under the stars used to put me in touch with the ancestors, wish I could still do that sort of thing.I can still sit in the woods by myself and get tuned in that way. zoe zzekel...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 9/30/2009 12:22:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk writes: Lois, Most of the stories told by my Grandpa were very personal family stories that would have no meaning to outsiders. Ours have been preserved and are being passed down to successive generations of which there are three beyond myself so far.If you are looking for the generic, creation, myth stories there is a place you can go. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IPLStories/ Wonderful collections of stories here, some old, some new. zoe zoe, I think it is great you are preserving the stories... I am not looking for generic, have read many of them. I live in the land of the Senecas. One of their camps was within walking distance of where I live in Letchworth State Park. It is almost as if I can sense their presence here in my woods. It is said that their winter camp was in this woods. I just appreciate their history abhor what was done to them.. Lois -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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My Great-Grandmother was full blood Apache but she died before I had the opportunity to meet her. My Mother used to tell us stories about Geronimo and the Superstition Mountains in Arizona, my mother's birth place. She took us to see the bluff [Medicine Bluff] where he and his horse jumped from into the Medicine River to get away from the US Calvary...he lived and did get away. My Mother was a half-breed and as a child when walking in Phoenix the white men would spit on her and her family and then they [the white people] would cross to the other side of the street so as to not be soiled by their presence. I lived with prejudice from within my own father's family [his mother did not want anything to do with us Native American brown skinned children]...even from my own father. Now that my Mother has passed on my father claims we are not Apache but he lies...my Mother was very proud of her heritage and wanted her children to be proud of it too and we are. Just thought I would share some of my Native American history. Sandy --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 4:11 PM Im glad you are enjoying the stories. zoe AHorse52251 wrote: Zoe, Thank you for posting the group! I am sorry to say I am not a sensitive person, tuned into things around me. I wish I were. I can certainly agree with Lois in what was done to the people native to this country. There *should* have been white bodies hanging from trees all across this country for what the white man did, IMO. No other minority had annihilation attempted on them in this country that I ever heard of. OK, I'll get off my soapbox, not that I want to... Thanks again. I joined and look foreward to the stories! Janis --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: CS Native American stories-- To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:46 PM It is good that you are that sensitive. Yes if you listen closely you can still hear them whisper. I am hardpressed to find any place on this continent that wasn't once either a campground or huntingground or otherwise steeped in the history of one tribe or another. Sleeping out under the stars used to put me in touch with the ancestors, wish I could still do that sort of thing. I can still sit in the woods by myself and get tuned in that way. zoe zzekel...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 9/30/2009 12:22:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk writes: Lois, Most of the stories told by my Grandpa were very personal family stories that would have no meaning to outsiders. Ours have been preserved and are being passed down to successive generations of which there are three beyond myself so far. If you are looking for the generic, creation, myth stories there is a place you can go. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IPLStories/ Wonderful collections of stories here, some old, some new. zoe zoe, I think it is great you are preserving the stories... I am not looking for generic, have read many of them. I live in the land of the Senecas. One of their camps was within walking distance of where I live in Letchworth State Park. It is almost as if I can sense their presence here in my woods. It is said that their winter camp was in this woods. I just appreciate their history abhor what was done to them.. Lois -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Sandy wrote: My Great-Grandmother was full blood Apache but she died before I had the opportunity to meet her. My Mother used to tell us stories about Geronimo and the Superstition Mountains in Arizona, my mother's birth place. She took us to see the bluff [Medicine Bluff] where he and his horse jumped from into the Medicine River to get away from the US Calvary...he lived and did get away. My Mother was a half-breed and as a child when walking in Phoenix the white men would spit on her and her family and then they [the white people] would cross to the other side of the street so as to not be soiled by their presence. I lived with prejudice from within my own father's family [his mother did not want anything to do with us Native American brown skinned children]...even from my own father. Now that my Mother has passed on my father claims we are not Apache but he lies...my Mother was very proud of her heritage and wanted her children to be proud of it too and we are. Just thought I would share some of my Native American history. Sandy --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 4:11 PM Im glad you are enjoying the stories. zoe AHorse52251 wrote: Zoe, Thank you for posting the group! I am sorry to say I am not a sensitive person, tuned into things around me. I wish I were. I can certainly agree with Lois in what was done to the people native to this country. There *should* have been white bodies hanging from trees all across this country for what the white man did, IMO. No other minority had annihilation attempted on them in this country that I ever heard of. OK, I'll get off my soapbox, not that I want to... Thanks again. I joined and look foreward to the stories! Janis --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: CS Native American stories-- To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:46 PM It is good that you are that sensitive. Yes if you listen closely you can still hear them whisper. I am hardpressed to find any place on this continent that wasn't once either a campground or huntingground or otherwise steeped in the history of one tribe or another.Sleeping out under the stars used to put me in touch with the ancestors, wish I could still do that sort of thing.I can still sit in the woods by myself and get tuned in that way. zoe -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Sorry hit the wrong button earlier. Sandy thanks so much for sharing your story. It is unfortunate, but many of us suffered similar torments.Hang on to that pride, it will carry you thru many a trial and tribulation. zoe zoe w wrote: Sandy wrote: My Great-Grandmother was full blood Apache but she died before I had the opportunity to meet her. My Mother used to tell us stories about Geronimo and the Superstition Mountains in Arizona, my mother's birth place. She took us to see the bluff [Medicine Bluff] where he and his horse jumped from into the Medicine River to get away from the US Calvary...he lived and did get away. My Mother was a half-breed and as a child when walking in Phoenix the white men would spit on her and her family and then they [the white people] would cross to the other side of the street so as to not be soiled by their presence. I lived with prejudice from within my own father's family [his mother did not want anything to do with us Native American brown skinned children]...even from my own father. Now that my Mother has passed on my father claims we are not Apache but he lies...my Mother was very proud of her heritage and wanted her children to be proud of it too and we are. Just thought I would share some of my Native American history. Sandy --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Sandy, Glad you shared your story! It is sad the way people have been so cruel to others. I know being from Cherokee my Grandfather use to deal with alot of discrimination. He had a farm and one time a man came looking to buy a horse from my Grandfather but the man ended up not buying it saying he would never trust an Indian and would not pay him a dime for his horse. I raised my children to be respectful to everyone and not to be prejudice. I also have a handicapped daughter and young children would come up to her wheelchair and ask why she can't walk and their parents would pull them away. I would always try to answer them to let them know. I feel sorry for these kids that are taught prejudice by their ignorant parents, children are not born that way. Donna ACS My Great-Grandmother was full blood Apache but she died before I had the opportunity to meet her. My Mother used to tell us stories about Geronimo and the Superstition Mountains in Arizona, my mother's birth place. She took us to see the bluff [Medicine Bluff] where he and his horse jumped from into the Medicine River to get away from the US Calvary...he lived and did get away. My Mother was a half-breed and as a child when walking in Phoenix the white men would spit on her and her family and then they [the white people] would cross to the other side of the street so as to not be soiled by their presence. I lived with prejudice from within my own father's family [his mother did not want anything to do with us Native American brown skinned children]...even from my own father. Now that my Mother has passed on my father claims we are not Apache but he lies...my Mother was very proud of her heritage and wanted her children to be proud of it too and we are. Just thought I would share some of my Native American history. Sandy --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 4:11 PM Im glad you are enjoying the stories. zoe AHorse52251 wrote: Zoe, Thank you for posting the group! I am sorry to say I am not a sensitive person, tuned into things around me. I wish I were. I can certainly agree with Lois in what was done to the people native to this country. There *should* have been white bodies hanging from trees all across this country for what the white man did, IMO. No other minority had annihilation attempted on them in this country that I ever heard of. OK, I'll get off my soapbox, not that I want to... Thanks again. I joined and look foreward to the stories! Janis --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: CS Native American stories-- To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:46 PM It is good that you are that sensitive. Yes if you listen closely you can still hear them whisper. I am hardpressed to find any place on this continent that wasn't once either a campground or huntingground or otherwise steeped in the history of one tribe or another.Sleeping out under the stars used to put me in touch with the ancestors, wish I could still do that sort of thing.I can still sit in the woods by myself and get tuned in that way. zoe -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Excellent point Donna, Prejudice is taught ! No one is born with it. It has to be learned and as such it can be unlearned just as well.I see it even in my own family and it makes me very sad indeed. zoe Donna wrote: Sandy, Glad you shared your story! It is sad the way people have been so cruel to others. I know being from Cherokee my Grandfather use to deal with alot of discrimination. He had a farm and one time a man came looking to buy a horse from my Grandfather but the man ended up not buying it saying he would never trust an Indian and would not pay him a dime for his horse. I raised my children to be respectful to everyone and not to be prejudice. I also have a handicapped daughter and young children would come up to her wheelchair and ask why she can't walk and their parents would pull them away. I would always try to answer them to let them know. I feel sorry for these kids that are taught prejudice by their ignorant parents, children are not born that way. Donna ACS -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Yes, Zoe...I know. I've tried to learn from the things that have come my way whether good or bad. If we learn to be better from the negative things then they in one respect are a positive learning experience. My father's negativity has taught me how to be a better parent...I will always be there for my children and they know that. I knew you all would understand what I was saying because we experience similar things. I guess the point I was making is...whether it happened hundreds of years ago it is still happening today and unless you are aware of how the NAs were treated most people would have no idea. Prejudice is terrible and I have hopes that one day it will be done away with but it will only happen through teaching the future generations not to practice it. Sandy --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 6:47 PM Sorry hit the wrong button earlier. Sandy thanks so much for sharing your story. It is unfortunate, but many of us suffered similar torments. Hang on to that pride, it will carry you thru many a trial and tribulation. zoe zoe w wrote: Sandy wrote: My Great-Grandmother was full blood Apache but she died before I had the opportunity to meet her. My Mother used to tell us stories about Geronimo and the Superstition Mountains in Arizona, my mother's birth place. She took us to see the bluff [Medicine Bluff] where he and his horse jumped from into the Medicine River to get away from the US Calvary...he lived and did get away. My Mother was a half-breed and as a child when walking in Phoenix the white men would spit on her and her family and then they [the white people] would cross to the other side of the street so as to not be soiled by their presence. I lived with prejudice from within my own father's family [his mother did not want anything to do with us Native American brown skinned children]...even from my own father. Now that my Mother has passed on my father claims we are not Apache but he lies...my Mother was very proud of her heritage and wanted her children to be proud of it too and we are. Just thought I would share some of my Native American history. Sandy --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Donna... It is sad the way some people treat others but if we learn from it [in a good way] then we will teach our children not to be prejudice. The man who refused to buy a horse from your Grandfather shows how little he knew because it is a well known fact the Cherokee have a wonderful way with horses. I have found that many people do not know how to act around handicapped people...I feel for your daughter. I had a stroke 6 years ago and do not walk very fast and I have had people honk at me to hurry up and get across the the street...they are in such a hurry they could care less that I might have a problem walking. The funny thing is when someone tries to rush me I get excited and go twice as slow...lol. Sandy From: Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:39 PM Sandy, Glad you shared your story! It is sad the way people have been so cruel to others. I know being from Cherokee my Grandfather use to deal with alot of discrimination. He had a farm and one time a man came looking to buy a horse from my Grandfather but the man ended up not buying it saying he would never trust an Indian and would not pay him a dime for his horse. I raised my children to be respectful to everyone and not to be prejudice. I also have a handicapped daughter and young children would come up to her wheelchair and ask why she can't walk and their parents would pull them away. I would always try to answer them to let them know. I feel sorry for these kids that are taught prejudice by their ignorant parents, children are not born that way. Donna ACS -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Apparently I have lived a much-too-sheltered life. I was not aware that there was such prejudice against NAs. I'm sorry. I look at things a bit backward from the rest of the world anyway. I remember as a child my mother was explaining to me how the Jews were hated and what Hitler had done. My question was why did people hate the Jews when it should be the Germans that were hated? Of course, no one nationality should be *hated* for anything. That would be like throwing the baby out with the bath water. It can be hard, however...especially when it seems a whole country backs the craziness. I wonder how many times NAs have saved our white butts... Janis --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 10:29 PM Yes, Zoe...I know. I've tried to learn from the things that have come my way whether good or bad. If we learn to be better from the negative things then they in one respect are a positive learning experience. My father's negativity has taught me how to be a better parent...I will always be there for my children and they know that. I knew you all would understand what I was saying because we experience similar things. I guess the point I was making is...whether it happened hundreds of years ago it is still happening today and unless you are aware of how the NAs were treated most people would have no idea. Prejudice is terrible and I have hopes that one day it will be done away with but it will only happen through teaching the future generations not to practice it. Sandy --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 6:47 PM Sorry hit the wrong button earlier. Sandy thanks so much for sharing your story. It is unfortunate, but many of us suffered similar torments. Hang on to that pride, it will carry you thru many a trial and tribulation. zoe zoe w wrote: Sandy wrote: My Great-Grandmother was full blood Apache but she died before I had the opportunity to meet her. My Mother used to tell us stories about Geronimo and the Superstition Mountains in Arizona, my mother's birth place. She took us to see the bluff [Medicine Bluff] where he and his horse jumped from into the Medicine River to get away from the US Calvary...he lived and did get away. My Mother was a half-breed and as a child when walking in Phoenix the white men would spit on her and her family and then they [the white people] would cross to the other side of the street so as to not be soiled by their presence. I lived with prejudice from within my own father's family [his mother did not want anything to do with us Native American brown skinned children]...even from my own father. Now that my Mother has passed on my father claims we are not Apache but he lies...my Mother was very proud of her heritage and wanted her children to be proud of it too and we are. Just thought I would share some of my Native American history. Sandy --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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There but for the grace... --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 10:41 PM Hi Donna... It is sad the way some people treat others but if we learn from it [in a good way] then we will teach our children not to be prejudice. The man who refused to buy a horse from your Grandfather shows how little he knew because it is a well known fact the Cherokee have a wonderful way with horses. I have found that many people do not know how to act around handicapped people...I feel for your daughter. I had a stroke 6 years ago and do not walk very fast and I have had people honk at me to hurry up and get across the the street...they are in such a hurry they could care less that I might have a problem walking. The funny thing is when someone tries to rush me I get excited and go twice as slow...lol. Sandy From: Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:39 PM Sandy, Glad you shared your story! It is sad the way people have been so cruel to others. I know being from Cherokee my Grandfather use to deal with alot of discrimination. He had a farm and one time a man came looking to buy a horse from my Grandfather but the man ended up not buying it saying he would never trust an Indian and would not pay him a dime for his horse. I raised my children to be respectful to everyone and not to be prejudice. I also have a handicapped daughter and young children would come up to her wheelchair and ask why she can't walk and their parents would pull them away. I would always try to answer them to let them know. I feel sorry for these kids that are taught prejudice by their ignorant parents, children are not born that way. Donna ACS -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
