RE: CS>Gold Generator Immune system.
Riteon. -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 5:31 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Gold Generator Immune system. It's more like grabbing an answer by the throat and demanding that nature confirm it. If it does, without having to ignore too many exceptions and excesses, you might have asked the right question. Ode At 11:14 PM 8/10/2004 -0600, you wrote: >A mentor of mine says that the scientific method can be akin to >grabbing nature by the throat and demanding an answer. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression.
Ode and all CS members What I said was in QUOTATION MARKS with the source indicated as to not put myself in a libellous situation with a phama group. That was THEIR opinion. Folks, I thought it was transparent they were pursuing self interest. The quotation marks and my final comment were arbitrarily edited, and the resulting clip was180 degrees different from what was originally stated. It was a complete misrepresentation of the point I was making. To be attributed with a radically false editorial comment on the web, which everyone reads is x!o#^ if you know what I mean. Following is what I was responding to and did actually say. The 'readers digest' version chewed it up and spit out the wrong message. I believe that what j rigby Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 wrote is the clearest assessment of the challenges we face. That's why I do BodyTalk which requires no supplements. The innate wisdom can fix a diverse range of challenges - some that appear chronic or worse - and appears to tackle the 'stuff in the air'. BT is a paradigm shift for some folks because BT subscribes to the belief that 'all wisdom is within', and we do not need most 'stuff' on the outside which are just 'comfort zones' related to varying levels of consciousness. BT is a small group in 23 countries helping people usually after they have exhausted most other avenues. But that's off topic to 'erroneous misrepresented editing'. Moving on... The IMPORTANT point John makes is we may have less than one full year from now to get the "underground" information network flowing without fouling up amongst ourselves. We need to be CAREFUL WITH EDITING to stay on the same page and DO NOT waste energy 'bickering' or 'SCREW UP within our own group. Christine > From: Ode Coyote > If you read the list of what they 'call' colloidal silver which includes mild > silver protein at thousands of PPM...and the crazy things they'll do to try > and kill experimental animals and mostly frustrate themselves in the > process... you'll get an idea of how that's possible. > Ode ORIGINAL RESPONSE: I MEANT TO BE FACICIOUS WHEN I SAID "Interesting source:" OBVIOUSLY I WAS 'OFF TARGET' WITH MY COMMUNICATION SKILLS. OR THE END COMMENTS WHICH APPEAR WERE NEVER READ. On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 15:00, Christine Carleton wrote: >> Opphs, found it at: http://naturalwellness.com/index.htm >> >> Interesting source: >> ..."The next few paragraphs on colloidal minerals were written by >> Albion's Max Motyka." >> >> ..."Definition of Colloidal Minerals For years, Albion has been >> dedicated to research regarding minerals. In addition, Albion holds >> over 60 international patents in the process of mineral chelation." >> >> 'Silver: >> "Silver does not occur regularly in animal or human tissue... The >> major effect of excessive absorption of silver is generalized >> impregnation of the tissues where it forms an insoluble complex. .It >> accumulates in the spleen, liver, bone marrow, lungs, muscles and >> skin. Lesions of the kidney and lungs, as well as arteriosclerosis >> have been attributed to industrial and medicinal silver exposure. When >> colloidal silver was given to experimental animals, it produced death >> due to pulmonary edema and congestion. Hemolysis and resulting bone >> marrow hyperplasia have been reported with silver. Chronic bronchitis >> has been reported from the medicinal use of colloidal silver."22 >> >> Gold: >> "Dermatitis and stomatitis are the most frequently reported side >> effects of gold. The oral use of gold has resulted in...a type of >> kidney disease...It is believed that the gold forms a gold/protein >> complex that becomes deposited in the kidney tissues. It is known to >> cause bone marrow toxin.. Gold is known to cause immune system >> suppression. .23" >> >> 22. J. Doull, et al. Casareti and Doull's Toxicology, The Basic >> Science of Poisons, Third Edition, 1986, p.625. >> 23. Ibid >> >> Is there a conflict of interest? Patents? Money? Could it be self >> serving? MY POINT WAS: 1. THE QUOTED SOURCE WAS NOT TO BE FOUND ON GOOGE AND FURTHER SEARCHING BROUGHT UP THE SOURCE. 2a. A TRANSPARENT CONFLICT OF INTEREST GIVEN WHO WAS WRITING THE MATERIAL. 2b. THEY POSSIBLY HAD INTEREST IN PATENTS??? 2c. AS HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID 'FOLLOW THE MONEY HONEY'. 2d. IN MY OPINION THE REPORT WAS SELF SERVING. 3. I CLOSE TO ALLOW THEIR WORDS TO REFLECT WHO THEY ARE. AS THEY SAY IT VERY WELL WHAT ELSE WAS THERE TO SAY ABOUT THE ACCUCATIONS OF RISK TO HEALTH IN THE DISCUSSION OF COLLODIAL GOLD? >> >> >>> From: Christine Carleton >>> Google says: >>> Your search - www.natural wellness.com/colloidal/ - did not match >>> any documents. >>> ??? From: ninaw...@webtv.net (Nina Whit) Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:03:24 -0700 www.natural wellness.com/colloidal/ ~~ THIS EFFECTIVELY SUMS UP WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE TRUE./Christine From: j rigby It is then necessary to look to the "sponsors" of the
Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression.
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Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression.
Must be masochism and/or an attraction to lonely pretty girls. [With hormones not asking why they were lonely] I've quit lawyers...and pretty much quit hormones too. Very happy with current wrinkled, but sane, "babe". Where was she when she was pretty and I was mindlessly horney? Oh, having 5 kids and being married..not my thing. ode At 07:58 AM 8/11/2004 -0500, you wrote: >At 07:10 AM 8/11/2004 -0400, Ode wrote: > >>Ode [last few ex's were lawyers. If anyone can manipulate NOTHING into >>sounding like a Supreme Court Case, it's a lawyer. A lawyer is a trained >>'pro-con'...professional con artist. I seem to have been generally >>impreganted with self defense mechanisms and an over sensitive BS meter] > >You're doing fine and I appreciate it. It's a trait few have. > >BTW, what element of your personality attracts lawyers? > >stuff > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression.
At 07:10 AM 8/11/2004 -0400, Ode wrote: Ode [last few ex's were lawyers. If anyone can manipulate NOTHING into sounding like a Supreme Court Case, it's a lawyer. A lawyer is a trained 'pro-con'...professional con artist. I seem to have been generally impreganted with self defense mechanisms and an over sensitive BS meter] You're doing fine and I appreciate it. It's a trait few have. BTW, what element of your personality attracts lawyers? stuff -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Gold Generator Immune system.
It's more like grabbing an answer by the throat and demanding that nature confirm it. If it does, without having to ignore too many exceptions and excesses, you might have asked the right question. Ode At 11:14 PM 8/10/2004 -0600, you wrote: >A mentor of mine says that the scientific method can be akin to grabbing >nature by the throat and demanding an answer. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression.
No one seems to have noticed the wording. Nor has the word 'excessive' been quantified...nor has 'absorption' been linked to any method or means and nowhere has the word 'colloidal' been defined as a specific substance where the term is quite often not used in the same context that we would use it denoting pure silver suspended in and/or pure silver ions dissolved in pure water. MSP at thousands of PPM is lumped into the catagory along with many insoluable silver salts and compounds which can be suspended if enough stabilizer is used and fit a broad definition of colloidal. Give me enough jello and I can suspend a lead bullet in water. Add just a bit of gun power and I can kill a lab animal with it by injection, then write a paper about how lead poisoning makes big messy holes in lab animals with a PHD in art appreciation tagged on my name at the end. The word 'given' does not identify amounts, concentrations, substances other than silver or methods of administration. The word 'regularly' seems to have been substituted by readers and commentators with the word 'naturally' It's not even clear what the word regularly means in the sentence. Does it mean 'often' or 'evenly distributed'? 'Generalized impregnation' seems to say evenly distributed but 'accumulates in' confuses the issue again. Ode [last few ex's were lawyers. If anyone can manipulate NOTHING into sounding like a Supreme Court Case, it's a lawyer. A lawyer is a trained 'pro-con'...professional con artist. I seem to have been generally impreganted with self defense mechanisms and an over sensitive BS meter] ."Definition of Colloidal Minerals For years, Albion has been >> dedicated to research regarding minerals. In addition, Albion holds >> over 60 international patents in the process of mineral chelation." >>> 'Silver: >>> "Silver does not occur regularly in animal or human tissue... The >>> major effect of excessive absorption of silver is generalized >>> impregnation of the tissues where it forms an insoluble complex. .It >>> accumulates in the spleen, liver, bone marrow, lungs, muscles and >>> skin. Lesions of the kidney and lungs, as well as arteriosclerosis >>> have been attributed to industrial and medicinal silver exposure. When >>> colloidal silver was given to experimental animals, it produced death >>> due to pulmonary edema and congestion. Hemolysis and resulting bone >>> marrow hyperplasia have been reported with silver. Chronic bronchitis >>> has been reported from the medicinal use of colloidal silver.22 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression.
Such results can be had when the intent of the experiment is to cause harm and death. These have not been easy goals to realize in any of the studies I've read under an erronious heading of a "Colloidal Silver" collection of studies where there was no mention of colloidal silver at all in the text of the studies. , only mega doses of various silver compounds designed with the intent to kill and otherwise harm animals with highly mixed results and a good deal of frustration at that. [The title page held the only mention of the subject] I am not aware of ANY toxicology study specific to 'EIS' type CS such as we make here. You can develop argyria from colloidal silver, [ask Stan Jones] but you have to work at it really really hard and be one of those very few with complimentary imbalances of other things. To speculate: It might be possible to turn blue if you substitute 10 PPM CS for water as a baby and use it that way every single day till you reach 150 years old. Some amount of caution is advisable. Simple forgetfulness might be more than enough caution. If you don't dose up for 2 days in a row, 98% gets eliminated by people with normal metabolisms. If you don't forget, the same elimination rate still applies, so building up the amount to cause possible argyria is almost like scaling Mnt Everest in a wheelchair. It can be done if you live long enough, try hard enough and don't quit. Ode Christine Carleton wrote: When colloidal silver was given to experimental animals, it produced death due to pulmonary edema and congestion. Hemolysis and resulting bone marrow hyperplasia have been reported with silver. Chronic bronchitis has been reported from the medicinal use of colloidal silver.22 First the url given was wrong, the correct url for this article is at: http://naturalwellness.com/colloidal/index.html I don't believe this at all. With many of us drinking huge amounts of CS and giving it to our pets for years, how could they have gotten such a result? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression.
If you read the list of what they 'call' colloidal silver which includes mild silver protein at thousands of PPM...and the crazy things they'll do to try and kill experimental animals and mostly frustrate themselves in the process... you'll get an idea of how that's possible. Ode At 11:36 AM 8/10/2004 -0400, you wrote: Christine Carleton wrote: When colloidal silver was given to experimental animals, it produced death due to pulmonary edema and congestion. Hemolysis and resulting bone marrow hyperplasia have been reported with silver. Chronic bronchitis has been reported from the medicinal use of colloidal silver.22 First the url given was wrong, the correct url for this article is at: http://naturalwellness.com/colloidal/index.html I don't believe this at all. With many of us drinking huge amounts of CS and giving it to our pets for years, how could they have gotten such a result? Reference 22 is: 22. J. Doull, et al. Casareti and Doull's Toxicology, The Basic Science of Poisons, Third Edition, 1986, p.625. Anyone have access to this reference who can see what it REALLY says. I'll bet it doesn't say what they claim it says at all. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression.
Hard-on data. I love it. Interesting that the same "..discuss a Collidal Metal and present data for metal salts..." scam that the FDA, primiarly Dr. Fung, has been presenting for silver is also used to discredit gold. Gold in some form was used in the (?) late 1800s and early 1900s(?) for the treatment of syphillis. Some of the remarkable benificial properties and effects of M state monatomic gold are well documented. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 6:29 PM To: Silver List Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression. On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 16:55, Nina Whit wrote: > Garnet wrote that I give messages that is not usefull or dour messages > of doom and gloom.I post what i think is pertinent and cogent to the > issue. I also expressed what I *think* about the tone and nature of ALL of your posts on this and other lists. Me thinks thou does protest too much, since I am only doing what you claim to be doing. Just checked the 10th Edition of Goodman and Gilman's Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics, the standard reference on pharmacology in this country and around the world, just to be sure. The only Gold that has shown the above effects are gold compounds, not colloidal or elemental gold as you stated. There is no mention of gold that is not a gold compound which have a vastly different chemistry in the body than elemental gold which is regularly ingested as a food product around the world, as well as consumed therapeutically. There are no reports of toxicity that I can find. Perhaps you would like to provide them since you feel that "the burden of proof is on the one stating a proposition". Garnet > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List > archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT > Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
RE: CS>Gold Generator Immune system.
A mentor of mine says that the scientific method can be akin to grabbing nature by the throat and demanding an answer. -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 6:41 PM To: Silver List Subject: RE: CS>Gold Generator Immune system. I value anecdotal information greatly, if that is what you mean by semi-hard. But it is not hard science and should not be so construed. However a person can serve as their own control, before and after type studies are scientific and often published in peer reviewed journals, particularly where conditions do not lend themselves to a double blind study. Again Goodman and Gilman references gold compounds not elemental gold. Garnet On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 17:12, Jim Holmes wrote: > Semi-hard is better than none at all. > > JOH > > -Original Message- > From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 7:46 AM > To: Silver List > Subject: RE: CS>Gold Generator Immune system. > > > There are no hard facts on colloidal gold, only gold salts. > > Garnet > > On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 12:59, Jim Holmes wrote: > > Let's see a facts duel guys. Post those links! > > > > JOH > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Nina Whit [mailto:ninaw...@webtv.net] > > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:00 AM > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator Immune system. > > > > > > Garnet wrote that gold enhances the immune system, not true. At > > www.naturalwellness.com.colloidal ,it states:"GOLD = > Dermatitis > > and stomatitis are the most frequently reported sitde effects of > > gold > > The oral use of gold has resulted ina type of kidney dirsease...it > > > is believed that the gold forms a gold/protein complex that becomes > > deposited in the kidney tisues. It is known to cause bone marow > > toxicity... GOLD IS KNOWN TO CAURSE IMMUNE SYSTEM SUPRERSSION.' ..23 > > Again my name is not noel, its Nina, Please get your facts correct. > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal > > Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List > > archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT > > Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > >
Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression.
Thank you Garnet for respecting the source, the ... and quotation marks. As I was stating something that legally could be 'attacked' by a large pharmaceutical I was not going to inject my opinion, or change a common or period and used quotes to not misrepresent them in any way. In my opinion their opinion was transparent and that's why I questioned it at the end --- after the quotes. I do not want something that was misread and taken out of context which is in conflict which what I believe attributed to me then circulated on the net as something I said or I believe in. Christine. > From: Garnet > This site asserts that silver is not naturally ocurring in the body yet > the standard lab reference "The Elements" by John Elmsley, Science > Writer in Residence at Cambridge University lists naturally ocurring > amounts in the whole body and in various tissues. > > Hmmm . . . > > Garnet > > On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 15:00, Christine Carleton wrote: >> Opphs, found it at: http://naturalwellness.com/index.htm >> >> Interesting source: >> ..."The next few paragraphs on colloidal minerals were written by >> Albion's Max Motyka." >> >> ..."Definition of Colloidal Minerals For years, Albion has been >> dedicated to research regarding minerals. In addition, Albion holds >> over 60 international patents in the process of mineral chelation." >> >> 'Silver: >> "Silver does not occur regularly in animal or human tissue... The >> major effect of excessive absorption of silver is generalized >> impregnation of the tissues where it forms an insoluble complex. .It >> accumulates in the spleen, liver, bone marrow, lungs, muscles and >> skin. Lesions of the kidney and lungs, as well as arteriosclerosis >> have been attributed to industrial and medicinal silver exposure. When >> colloidal silver was given to experimental animals, it produced death >> due to pulmonary edema and congestion. Hemolysis and resulting bone >> marrow hyperplasia have been reported with silver. Chronic bronchitis >> has been reported from the medicinal use of colloidal silver.22 >> >> Gold: >> "Dermatitis and stomatitis are the most frequently reported side >> effects of gold. The oral use of gold has resulted in...a type of >> kidney disease...It is believed that the gold forms a gold/protein >> complex that becomes deposited in the kidney tissues. It is known to >> cause bone marrow toxin.. Gold is known to cause immune system >> suppression. ".23" >> >> 22. J. Doull, et al. Casareti and Doull's Toxicology, The Basic >> Science of Poisons, Third Edition, 1986, p.625. >> 23. Ibid >> >> Is there a conflict of interest? Patents? Money? Could it be self >> serving? >> >> >>> From: Christine Carleton >>> Google says: >>> Your search - www.natural wellness.com/colloidal/ - did not match >> any >>> documents. >>> ??? From: ninaw...@webtv.net (Nina Whit) Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:03:24 -0700 www.natural wellness.com/colloidal/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression.
I agree. It's transparent. > From: "Jim Holmes" > Excellent analysis. > > JOH > > -Original Message- > From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 11:10 AM > To: Silver List > Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression. > > The date and title alone tell me this is not the definitive work it is > put out to be. Still it would be interesting to see what his reference > is and check out the original data, and the raw data if they had the > ouevos to publish it. > > This is pure spin docotoring in my estimation. They type of tripe that > Nina Whit aka Noel is so fond of posting. Check the archives folks, not > one post that is useful or encouraging, always dour messages of doom and > gloom. Seen the same behavior on other lists as well from this person > who claims to be Nina Whit but oh so closely matches Noel's style and > very prominent WEB TV address. > > Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression.
> From: Garnet > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:49:23 -0500 > To: Silver List > Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression. > Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com > Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 06:57:25 -0700 > > This site asserts that silver is not naturally ocurring in the body yet > the standard lab reference "The Elements" by John Elmsley, Science > Writer in Residence at Cambridge University lists naturally ocurring > amounts in the whole body and in various tissues. > > Hmmm . . . > > Garnet > > On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 15:00, Christine Carleton wrote: >> Opphs, found it at: http://naturalwellness.com/index.htm >> >> Interesting source: >> ..."The next few paragraphs on colloidal minerals were written by >> Albion's Max Motyka." >> >> ..."Definition of Colloidal Minerals For years, Albion has been >> dedicated to research regarding minerals. In addition, Albion holds >> over 60 international patents in the process of mineral chelation." >> >> 'Silver: >> "Silver does not occur regularly in animal or human tissue... The >> major effect of excessive absorption of silver is generalized >> impregnation of the tissues where it forms an insoluble complex. .It >> accumulates in the spleen, liver, bone marrow, lungs, muscles and >> skin. Lesions of the kidney and lungs, as well as arteriosclerosis >> have been attributed to industrial and medicinal silver exposure. When >> colloidal silver was given to experimental animals, it produced death >> due to pulmonary edema and congestion. Hemolysis and resulting bone >> marrow hyperplasia have been reported with silver. Chronic bronchitis >> has been reported from the medicinal use of colloidal silver.22 >> >> Gold: >> "Dermatitis and stomatitis are the most frequently reported side >> effects of gold. The oral use of gold has resulted in...a type of >> kidney disease...It is believed that the gold forms a gold/protein >> complex that becomes deposited in the kidney tissues. It is known to >> cause bone marrow toxin.. Gold is known to cause immune system >> suppression. ".23" >> >> 22. J. Doull, et al. Casareti and Doull's Toxicology, The Basic >> Science of Poisons, Third Edition, 1986, p.625. >> 23. Ibid >> >> Is there a conflict of interest? Patents? Money? Could it be self >> serving? >> >> >>> From: Christine Carleton >>> Google says: >>> Your search - www.natural wellness.com/colloidal/ - did not match >> any >>> documents. >>> ??? >>>> From: ninaw...@webtv.net (Nina Whit) >>>> Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:03:24 -0700 >>>> >>>> www.natural wellness.com/colloidal/ > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression.
What I printed was in QUOTES - I identified it was someone else's opinion My opinion was at the end with questions of the 'proof' that was being requested about CG. My message was 'Is there a conflict of interest? Patents? Money? Could it be self serving?' I thought follow the money was transparent and implicit. By the way, where has Nina disappeared to with all this controversy? That say's something too. Christine > From: Tel Tofflemire > That is such a commercial statement against Colloidal Silver ! Just follow the $ and you will see what they are trying to sell. > Tel Tofflemire > Dewey, AZ. > > Marshall Dudley wrote: > >> Christine Carleton QUOTED IN QUOTES FROM SOURCE SUPPLIED BY NINA AND QUESTIONED THE CREDIBILITY OF THE SOURCE >> >>> When colloidal silver was given to experimental animals, it produced >>> death due to pulmonary edema and congestion. Hemolysis and resulting >>> bone marrow hyperplasia have been reported with silver. Chronic >>> bronchitis has been reported from the medicinal use of colloidal >>> silver.22 >> >> First the url given was wrong, the correct url for this article is at: >> http://naturalwellness.com/colloidal/index.html >> >> I don't believe this at all. With many of us drinking huge amounts of >> CS and giving it to our pets for years, how could they have gotten >> such a result? >> >> Reference 22 is: 22. J. Doull, et al. Casareti and Doull's Toxicology, The Basic Science of Poisons, Third Edition, 1986, p.625. >> >> Anyone have access to this reference who can see what it REALLY says. >> I'll bet it doesn't say what they claim it says at all. >> >> Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression.
Marshall, Just to be clear I was quoting from the site (Nina Whit) ninaw...@webtv.net had provided as the source of her condemnation of CS. My end comments were: "Is there a conflict of interest? Patents? Money? Could it be self serving?" I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THEIR INFO IS BUNK. I quoted them in full to not misrepresent them and bring transparency to their 'line' of misinformation. Christine From: Marshall Dudley First the url given was wrong, the correct url for this article is at: http://naturalwellness.com/colloidal/index.html I don't believe this at all. With many of us drinking huge amounts of CS and giving it to our pets for years, how could they have gotten such a result? Reference 22 is: 22. J. Doull, et al. Casareti and Doull's Toxicology, The Basic Science of Poisons, Third Edition, 1986, p.625. Anyone have access to this reference who can see what it REALLY says. I'll bet it doesn't say what they claim it says at all. Marshall
RE: CS>Gold Generator Immune system.
I value anecdotal information greatly, if that is what you mean by semi-hard. But it is not hard science and should not be so construed. However a person can serve as their own control, before and after type studies are scientific and often published in peer reviewed journals, particularly where conditions do not lend themselves to a double blind study. Again Goodman and Gilman references gold compounds not elemental gold. Garnet On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 17:12, Jim Holmes wrote: > Semi-hard is better than none at all. > > JOH > > -Original Message- > From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 7:46 AM > To: Silver List > Subject: RE: CS>Gold Generator Immune system. > > > There are no hard facts on colloidal gold, only gold salts. > > Garnet > > On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 12:59, Jim Holmes wrote: > > Let's see a facts duel guys. Post those links! > > > > JOH > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Nina Whit [mailto:ninaw...@webtv.net] > > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:00 AM > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator Immune system. > > > > > > Garnet wrote that gold enhances the immune system, not true. At > > www.naturalwellness.com.colloidal ,it states:"GOLD = > Dermatitis > > and stomatitis are the most frequently reported sitde effects of gold > > The oral use of gold has resulted ina type of kidney dirsease...it > > > is believed that the gold forms a gold/protein complex that becomes > > deposited in the kidney tisues. It is known to cause bone marow > > toxicity... GOLD IS KNOWN TO CAURSE IMMUNE SYSTEM SUPRERSSION.' ..23 > > Again my name is not noel, its Nina, Please get your facts correct. > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List > > archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT > > Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > >
Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression.
On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 16:55, Nina Whit wrote: > Garnet wrote that I give messages that is not usefull or dour messages > of doom and gloom.I post what i think is pertinent and cogent to the > issue. I also expressed what I *think* about the tone and nature of ALL of your posts on this and other lists. Me thinks thou does protest too much, since I am only doing what you claim to be doing. > Garnet states that I am another person because i have a similar > web address, it appears she will continue in her invincible ignorance > stating opinions ,not facts. The facts are there, I drew the conclusion. You are free to disagree, but can you prove your identity? This would cut to the chase and end the identity issue. > Instead of giving usefull information, > Garnet seems to give personal attacks on people or posts she does not > agree with.. Search the archives for my posts. I either attack people or I don't, there is no "seems" to about it. They are either useful or they are not. I do believe most here would perceive my posts as useful and not as attacking people. I will attack ideas, and there is nothing wrong with that, I am trained to call bull hockey when I perceive it. My mentors would be ashamed of their student if I did not. > Here is an axiom of logic that states; "The burden of proof > is on the one stating a proposition, not the one defending it" So prove your statement about toxic effects of Gold. You can't because there are none demonstrated, documented or published. > The > Physician's desk reference states this concerning Gold. "Gold is taken > up by macrophages with resultant inhibition of phagocytosis and > inhibition of activities of lysosomal enzymes" In simple terms this is > immune suppression. It further states that adverse reactions due to > gold therapy may occur at anytime during treatment or many months after > therapy has been discontinued. Adverse reactions > categories listed are:cutaneous,dermatitis > stomatitis,= pulmonary injury,= and renal problems any > competent Rheumatologist can tell you the adverse affects of Gold > therapy.The PDR is > not doom and Gloom, it is written by < PharmD,Mds,DSc and several other > tMDs As far as silver is concerned,Silver protein can result in > argyria, not colloidal silver. Just checked the 10th Edition of Goodman and Gilman's Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics, the standard reference on pharmacology in this country and around the world, just to be sure. The only Gold that has shown the above effects are gold compounds, not colloidal or elemental gold as you stated. There is no mention of gold that is not a gold compound which have a vastly different chemistry in the body than elemental gold which is regularly ingested as a food product around the world, as well as consumed therapeutically. There are no reports of toxicity that I can find. Perhaps you would like to provide them since you feel that "the burden of proof is on the one stating a proposition". Garnet > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
RE: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression.
Excellent analysis. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 11:10 AM To: Silver List Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression. The date and title alone tell me this is not the definitive work it is put out to be. Still it would be interesting to see what his reference is and check out the original data, and the raw data if they had the ouevos to publish it. This is pure spin docotoring in my estimation. They type of tripe that Nina Whit aka Noel is so fond of posting. Check the archives folks, not one post that is useful or encouraging, always dour messages of doom and gloom. Seen the same behavior on other lists as well from this person who claims to be Nina Whit but oh so closely matches Noel's style and very prominent WEB TV address. Garnet On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 10:36, Marshall Dudley wrote: > Christine Carleton wrote: > > When colloidal silver was given to experimental animals, it > > produced death due to pulmonary edema and congestion. Hemolysis and > > resulting bone marrow hyperplasia have been reported with silver. > > Chronic bronchitis has been reported from the medicinal use of > > colloidal silver.22 > > First the url given was wrong, the correct url for this article is at: > http://naturalwellness.com/colloidal/index.html > > I don't believe this at all. With many of us drinking huge amounts of > CS and giving it to our pets for years, how could they have gotten > such a result? > > Reference 22 is: > > 22. J. Doull, et al. Casareti and Doull's Toxicology, The Basic > Science of Poisons, Third Edition, 1986, p.625. > > Anyone have access to this reference who can see what it REALLY says. > I'll bet it doesn't say what they claim it says at all. > > Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Gold Generator Immune system.
Semi-hard is better than none at all. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 7:46 AM To: Silver List Subject: RE: CS>Gold Generator Immune system. There are no hard facts on colloidal gold, only gold salts. Garnet On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 12:59, Jim Holmes wrote: > Let's see a facts duel guys. Post those links! > > JOH > > -Original Message- > From: Nina Whit [mailto:ninaw...@webtv.net] > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:00 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator Immune system. > > > Garnet wrote that gold enhances the immune system, not true. At > www.naturalwellness.com.colloidal ,it states:"GOLD = Dermatitis > and stomatitis are the most frequently reported sitde effects of gold > The oral use of gold has resulted ina type of kidney dirsease...it > is believed that the gold forms a gold/protein complex that becomes > deposited in the kidney tisues. It is known to cause bone marow > toxicity... GOLD IS KNOWN TO CAURSE IMMUNE SYSTEM SUPRERSSION.' ..23 > Again my name is not noel, its Nina, Please get your facts correct. > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List > archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT > Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
RE: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression.
The only death I am aware of due to deliberate administration of Ag was two large dogs who were shot up IV with a gram each of powdered silver. Yes, they died. Let's see the papers cited by the author. I glanced at that link's paper. When I found the part about no diffusion through menbranes, I quit. Colloidal silver kills Lyme and Malaria; both intracellular organisms. It kills Herpes, an organism that hides within the nuclear membrane. I went no further.The tone of the article led me to believe there was a commercial intent. I can smell it a mile away. I'll bet it is silver salts or compounds that is mentioned in the details, not pure metallic silver. If it is pure silver, it is probably massive industrial overdose from breathing the dust. A quick search for the title brought up this: [The spelling errors are in the origiinal] Casarett and Doull's Toxicology: The Basic Science of Poisons (Book) Written by: Louis J. CasarettMary O. AmdurCurtis D. KlaassenJohn Doull Publisher: McGraw-Hill Release Date: 15 January, 1996 Customer reviews: errors in the book That is a good book for the beginner of toxicologist. However, many existed errors may mislead and confuse the beginners. So I recommend that we'd wait for next edition. Many errors That is a really good book for the beginer of toxicologist. However, there are many errors existed and those errors could mislead and confuse the beginer. I think that we'd better wait for next editions. " Customer reviews: errors in the book That is a good book for the beginner of toxicologist. However, many existed errors may mislead and confuse the beginners. So I recommend that we'd wait for next edition. Many errors That is a really good book for the beginer of toxicologist. However, there are many errors existed and those errors could mislead and confuse the beginer. I think that we'd better wait for next editions. " JOH -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 9:36 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression. Christine Carleton wrote: When colloidal silver was given to experimental animals, it produced death due to pulmonary edema and congestion. Hemolysis and resulting bone marrow hyperplasia have been reported with silver. Chronic bronchitis has been reported from the medicinal use of colloidal silver.22 First the url given was wrong, the correct url for this article is at: http://naturalwellness.com/colloidal/index.html I don't believe this at all. With many of us drinking huge amounts of CS and giving it to our pets for years, how could they have gotten such a result? Reference 22 is: 22. J. Doull, et al. Casareti and Doull's Toxicology, The Basic Science of Poisons, Third Edition, 1986, p.625. Anyone have access to this reference who can see what it REALLY says. I'll bet it doesn't say what they claim it says at all. Marshall
Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression.
Garnet wrote that I give messages that is not usefull or dour messages of doom and gloom.I post what i think is pertinent and cogent to the issue. Garnet states that I am another person because i have a similar web address, it appears she will continue in her invincible ignorance stating opinions ,not facts.Instead of giving usefull information, Garnet seems to give personal attacks on people or posts she does not agree with.. Here is an axiom of logic that states; "The burden of proof is on the one stating a proposition, not the one defending it" The Physician's desk reference states this concerning Gold. "Gold is taken up by macrophages with resultant inhibition of phagocytosis and inhibition of activities of lysosomal enzymes" In simple terms this is immune suppression. It further states that adverse reactions due to gold therapy may occur at anytime during treatment or many months after therapy has been discontinued. Adverse reactions categories listed are:cutaneous,dermatitis stomatitis,= pulmonary injury,= and renal problems any competent Rheumatologist can tell you the adverse affects of Gold therapy.The PDR is not doom and Gloom, it is written by < PharmD,Mds,DSc and several other tMDs As far as silver is concerned,Silver protein can result in argyria, not colloidal silver. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression.
The date and title alone tell me this is not the definitive work it is put out to be. Still it would be interesting to see what his reference is and check out the original data, and the raw data if they had the ouevos to publish it. This is pure spin docotoring in my estimation. They type of tripe that Nina Whit aka Noel is so fond of posting. Check the archives folks, not one post that is useful or encouraging, always dour messages of doom and gloom. Seen the same behavior on other lists as well from this person who claims to be Nina Whit but oh so closely matches Noel's style and very prominent WEB TV address. Garnet On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 10:36, Marshall Dudley wrote: > Christine Carleton wrote: > > When colloidal silver was given to experimental animals, it > > produced death due to pulmonary edema and congestion. Hemolysis and > > resulting bone marrow hyperplasia have been reported with silver. > > Chronic bronchitis has been reported from the medicinal use of > > colloidal silver.22 > > First the url given was wrong, the correct url for this article is at: > http://naturalwellness.com/colloidal/index.html > > I don't believe this at all. With many of us drinking huge amounts of > CS and giving it to our pets for years, how could they have gotten > such a result? > > Reference 22 is: > > 22. J. Doull, et al. Casareti and Doull's Toxicology, The Basic > Science of Poisons, Third Edition, 1986, p.625. > > Anyone have access to this reference who can see what it REALLY says. > I'll bet it doesn't say what they claim it says at all. > > Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Gold Generator Immune system.
Here is a good website for information about colloidal gold: http://www.colloidalgold.com/refroom.htm Dudley http://profiles.yahoo.com/dudley_delany -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression.
That is such a commercial statement against Colloidal Silver ! Just follow the $ and you will see what they are trying to sell. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. Marshall Dudley wrote: Christine Carleton wrote: When colloidal silver was given to experimental animals, it produced death due to pulmonary edema and congestion. Hemolysis and resulting bone marrow hyperplasia have been reported with silver. Chronic bronchitis has been reported from the medicinal use of colloidal silver.22 First the url given was wrong, the correct url for this article is at: http://naturalwellness.com/colloidal/index.html I don't believe this at all. With many of us drinking huge amounts of CS and giving it to our pets for years, how could they have gotten such a result? Reference 22 is: 22. J. Doull, et al. Casareti and Doull's Toxicology, The Basic Science of Poisons, Third Edition, 1986, p.625. Anyone have access to this reference who can see what it REALLY says. I'll bet it doesn't say what they claim it says at all. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression.
Christine Carleton wrote: > When colloidal silver was given to experimental animals, it produced > death due to pulmonary edema and congestion. Hemolysis and resulting > bone marrow hyperplasia have been reported with silver. Chronic > bronchitis has been reported from the medicinal use of colloidal > silver.22 First the url given was wrong, the correct url for this article is at: http://naturalwellness.com/colloidal/index.html I don't believe this at all. With many of us drinking huge amounts of CS and giving it to our pets for years, how could they have gotten such a result? Reference 22 is: 22. J. Doull, et al. Casareti and Doull's Toxicology, The Basic Science of Poisons, Third Edition, 1986, p.625. Anyone have access to this reference who can see what it REALLY says. I'll bet it doesn't say what they claim it says at all. Marshall
Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression.
This site asserts that silver is not naturally ocurring in the body yet the standard lab reference "The Elements" by John Elmsley, Science Writer in Residence at Cambridge University lists naturally ocurring amounts in the whole body and in various tissues. Hmmm . . . Garnet On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 15:00, Christine Carleton wrote: > Opphs, found it at: http://naturalwellness.com/index.htm > > Interesting source: > ..."The next few paragraphs on colloidal minerals were written by > Albion's Max Motyka." > > ..."Definition of Colloidal Minerals For years, Albion has been > dedicated to research regarding minerals. In addition, Albion holds > over 60 international patents in the process of mineral chelation." > > 'Silver: > "Silver does not occur regularly in animal or human tissue... The > major effect of excessive absorption of silver is generalized > impregnation of the tissues where it forms an insoluble complex. .It > accumulates in the spleen, liver, bone marrow, lungs, muscles and > skin. Lesions of the kidney and lungs, as well as arteriosclerosis > have been attributed to industrial and medicinal silver exposure. When > colloidal silver was given to experimental animals, it produced death > due to pulmonary edema and congestion. Hemolysis and resulting bone > marrow hyperplasia have been reported with silver. Chronic bronchitis > has been reported from the medicinal use of colloidal silver.22 > > Gold: > "Dermatitis and stomatitis are the most frequently reported side > effects of gold. The oral use of gold has resulted in...a type of > kidney disease...It is believed that the gold forms a gold/protein > complex that becomes deposited in the kidney tissues. It is known to > cause bone marrow toxin.. Gold is known to cause immune system > suppression. ".23" > > 22. J. Doull, et al. Casareti and Doull's Toxicology, The Basic > Science of Poisons, Third Edition, 1986, p.625. > 23. Ibid > > Is there a conflict of interest? Patents? Money? Could it be self > serving? > > > > From: Christine Carleton > > Google says: > > Your search - www.natural wellness.com/colloidal/ - did not match > any > > documents. > > ??? > >> From: ninaw...@webtv.net (Nina Whit) > >> Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:03:24 -0700 > >> > >> www.natural wellness.com/colloidal/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Gold Generator Immune system.
There are no hard facts on colloidal gold, only gold salts. Garnet On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 12:59, Jim Holmes wrote: > Let's see a facts duel guys. Post those links! > > JOH > > -Original Message- > From: Nina Whit [mailto:ninaw...@webtv.net] > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:00 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator Immune system. > > > Garnet wrote that gold enhances the immune system, not true. At > www.naturalwellness.com.colloidal ,it states:"GOLD = Dermatitis > and stomatitis are the most frequently reported sitde effects of gold > The oral use of gold has resulted ina type of kidney dirsease...it > is believed that the gold forms a gold/protein complex that becomes > deposited in the kidney tisues. It is known to cause bone marow > toxicity... GOLD IS KNOWN TO CAURSE IMMUNE SYSTEM SUPRERSSION.' ..23 > Again my name is not noel, its Nina, Please get your facts correct. > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT > Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
Re: CS>Gold Generator Immune system.
The correct link is www.naturalwellness.com/colloidal The reference for the Gold statement is almost 20 years old and the rest of the site reads like Quack Watchers. Good try Noel but it isn't good science, it is disinformation. Follow the money. Garnet On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 11:59, Nina Whit wrote: > Garnet wrote that gold enhances the immune system, not true. At > www.naturalwellness.com.colloidal ,it states:"GOLD = Dermatitis > and stomatitis are the most frequently reported sitde effects of gold > The oral use of gold has resulted ina type of kidney dirsease...it > is believed that the gold forms a gold/protein complex that becomes > deposited in the kidney tisues. It is known to cause bone marow > toxicity... GOLD IS KNOWN TO CAURSE IMMUNE SYSTEM SUPRERSSION.' ..23 > Again my name is not noel, its Nina, Please get your facts correct. > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression.
Opphs, found it at: http://naturalwellness.com/index.htm Interesting source: ..."The next few paragraphs on colloidal minerals were written by Albion's Max Motyka." ..."Definition of Colloidal Minerals For years, Albion has been dedicated to research regarding minerals. In addition, Albion holds over 60 international patents in the process of mineral chelation." 'Silver: "Silver does not occur regularly in animal or human tissue... The major effect of excessive absorption of silver is generalized impregnation of the tissues where it forms an insoluble complex. .It accumulates in the spleen, liver, bone marrow, lungs, muscles and skin. Lesions of the kidney and lungs, as well as arteriosclerosis have been attributed to industrial and medicinal silver exposure. When colloidal silver was given to experimental animals, it produced death due to pulmonary edema and congestion. Hemolysis and resulting bone marrow hyperplasia have been reported with silver. Chronic bronchitis has been reported from the medicinal use of colloidal silver.22 Gold: "Dermatitis and stomatitis are the most frequently reported side effects of gold. The oral use of gold has resulted in...a type of kidney disease...It is believed that the gold forms a gold/protein complex that becomes deposited in the kidney tissues. It is known to cause bone marrow toxin.. Gold is known to cause immune system suppression. ".23" 22. J. Doull, et al. Casareti and Doull's Toxicology, The Basic Science of Poisons, Third Edition, 1986, p.625. 23. Ibid Is there a conflict of interest? Patents? Money? Could it be self serving? > From: Christine Carleton > Google says: > Your search - www.natural wellness.com/colloidal/ - did not match any > documents. > ??? >> From: ninaw...@webtv.net (Nina Whit) >> Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:03:24 -0700 >> >> www.natural wellness.com/colloidal/
Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression???
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Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression.
Google says: Your search - www.natural wellness.com/colloidal/ - did not match any documents. ??? > From: ninaw...@webtv.net (Nina Whit) > Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:03:24 -0700 > > www.natural wellness.com/colloidal/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gold Generator
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cg_exchange/ Above is the yahoo colloidal gold group with 136 members. FIRST log onto your Yahoo e-mail address. Then go to the above URL. If you don't have a Yahoo e-mail address then go get one. Everyone has one D -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gold Generator
I have been able to make cg using 3 9volt batteries, takes around 96 hours to produce one quart. I have also been able to consently produce cg using a variable (1-120) dc power supply at 48-50 volts in 24 hours and get color at 48 hours. It can be done and without adding (salt, baking soda, ect) I have never had a problem with yahoo and belong to many groups at yahoo. Most groups you can upload pictures to. I have 2 e-mail accounts there and they have a great spam guard and offer 100 mg free storage tchau Sam __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Gold Generator Immune system.
Let's see a facts duel guys. Post those links! JOH -Original Message- From: Nina Whit [mailto:ninaw...@webtv.net] Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:00 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator Immune system. Garnet wrote that gold enhances the immune system, not true. At www.naturalwellness.com.colloidal ,it states:"GOLD = Dermatitis and stomatitis are the most frequently reported sitde effects of gold The oral use of gold has resulted ina type of kidney dirsease...it is believed that the gold forms a gold/protein complex that becomes deposited in the kidney tisues. It is known to cause bone marow toxicity... GOLD IS KNOWN TO CAURSE IMMUNE SYSTEM SUPRERSSION.' ..23 Again my name is not noel, its Nina, Please get your facts correct. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Gold Generator
Yahoo sux. -Original Message- From: cliff hume [mailto:ch...@shaw.ca] Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 4:32 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator After only 10 or so years, I have still been unable to pass the test to enter Yahoo. Looks as though I will have to do without Gold information. Thanks just the same. Cliff Hume ch...@shaw.ca - Original Message - From: "l" To: Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:00 PM Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator > Join the gold list for extensive research on colloidal gold > production: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cg_exchange/ > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List > archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT > Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Gold Generator Source for immune supression.
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Re: CS>Gold Generator Immune system.
Garnet wrote that gold enhances the immune system, not true. At www.naturalwellness.com.colloidal ,it states:"GOLD = Dermatitis and stomatitis are the most frequently reported sitde effects of gold The oral use of gold has resulted ina type of kidney dirsease...it is believed that the gold forms a gold/protein complex that becomes deposited in the kidney tisues. It is known to cause bone marow toxicity... GOLD IS KNOWN TO CAURSE IMMUNE SYSTEM SUPRERSSION.' ..23 Again my name is not noel, its Nina, Please get your facts correct. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gold Generator
Try sending an email with: cg_exchange-susbscr...@yahoo.com This way you do not have to be a Yahoo member or access the list home page. You can also have the list owner add your email address to the list for you. Like wise you can unsubscribe from any Yahoo list by sending an email to "list name"-unsubscr...@yahoo.com If you want to be a member of Yahoo and can not get in using your email address try signing up for a Yahoo email account, you may never use it, but sign up for one and use that email address to register as a member. When you sign up for a list you can have the mail sent to your main email address or select the option to read the list messages on the list web site which will generate no mail to your email address. I generally set is at Special Notices, so that if the list owner sends out a message it does come to my Inbox and I can keep up with lists that I don't read very often. Just some ideas that help me keep up with all the Yahoo Lists I would like access to. And because there are so many great lists on Yahoo. The question is how many great lists are YOU missing? Garnet On Sun, 2004-08-08 at 23:23, cliff hume wrote: > I've gone the Yahoo route before and again with your gold list and it just > doesn't work for me. A couple of other people have already written to me > saying that the same thing happens to them. > > I wonder how many people you are missing by being with Yahoo? > > Cliff. ch...@shaw.ca > > > > - Original Message - > From: "cliff hume" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 8:55 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator > > > > I tried a couple of times. I hope everyone has better luck with Yahoo than > > I. > > > > Cliff. ch...@shaw.ca > > > > > > ----- Original Message - > > From: "l" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:00 PM > > Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator > > > > > > > Join the gold list for extensive research on colloidal gold production: > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cg_exchange/ > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: CS>Gold Generator
Reported? Where? When? Gold SALTS can damage the kidneys, liver, over time. The good thing about electrically produced colloidal gold is that there are no salts produced, only particles. On Sun, 2004-08-08 at 16:34, Nina Whit wrote: > Be carefull with gold, gold has been reported to suppress the immune > system. > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Gold Generator
I've gone the Yahoo route before and again with your gold list and it just doesn't work for me. A couple of other people have already written to me saying that the same thing happens to them. I wonder how many people you are missing by being with Yahoo? Cliff. ch...@shaw.ca - Original Message - From: "cliff hume" To: Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator > I tried a couple of times. I hope everyone has better luck with Yahoo than > I. > > Cliff. ch...@shaw.ca > > > - Original Message - > From: "l" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:00 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator > > > > Join the gold list for extensive research on colloidal gold production: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cg_exchange/ > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > >
Re: CS>Gold Generator
I tried a couple of times. I hope everyone has better luck with Yahoo than I. Cliff. ch...@shaw.ca - Original Message - From: "l" To: Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:00 PM Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator > Join the gold list for extensive research on colloidal gold production: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cg_exchange/ > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Gold Generator
Ditto, Bob Smith - Original Message - From: "Stuff" To: Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 7:38 PM Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator > At 06:43 PM 8/8/2004 -0400, you wrote: > >I have had a similar problem. Easier, I think, to get into Fort Knox than > >into Yahoo. > > > >George > > Agreed. > > stuff > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gold Generator
It makes silver fast. It also makes selenium, but it does not make gold. The zinc, if it is zinc, looks kind of odd. Cliff. - Original Message - From: Bill Fernald To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 2:14 PM Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator poppy cock. Gold does not turn loose of its atoms with 30 vdc at all. Trust me. It takes an arc. - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 6:15 AM Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator Brent has been in business for a long time. That's all I know about him or his machines. I bought zinc elecrodes from Brent a few years ago in hopes of making CZ. They came fast enough. Making CZ didn't work at 30 volts that I could tell. Why not email him for output specs and copies of lab reports? Ask about return policy too. If it's a good machine that he stands behind, it should be a generous one. Ode At 06:15 PM 8/7/2004 EDT, you wrote: >>>> I have been making CS for a few years and I'm now interested in making colloidal gold. But a search of the archives and extensive googling shows that gold generators are few and far between -- and expensive. One of the less expensive, which is said to produce both silver and gold is on sale at <http://colloidalsilvergens.com/generator-info/colloidal_gold_generator>http://colloidalsilvergens.com/generator-info/colloidal_gold_generator. htm The sales report says it can produce "40ppm and higher with a new 4" electrode which is 90% .999 gold and 10% .999 silver." Has anyone had experience with this machine? Comments would be appreciated. George <<<< -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gold Generator
Your not the lone ranger = anything but yahoo... oh well Christine > From: cliff hume > After only 10 or so years, I have still been unable to pass the test to > enter Yahoo. Looks as though I will have to do without Gold information. > Thanks just the same. > > Cliff Hume ch...@shaw.ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gold Generator
At 06:43 PM 8/8/2004 -0400, you wrote: I have had a similar problem. Easier, I think, to get into Fort Knox than into Yahoo. George Agreed. stuff -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gold Generator
At 05:34 PM 8/8/2004 -0400, Nina wrote: Be carefull with gold, gold has been reported to suppress the immune system. And what of silver in this regard? stuff -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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It has also been reported to enhance the immune system. In fact no where in any of the reading I have done is mention made of an immune suppressive effect. Noel you ignored my first request for the source of your info. Now you repeat the same vague information with no sources. Quack Watcher? Garnet On Sun, 2004-08-08 at 16:34, Nina Whit wrote: > Be carefull with gold, gold has been reported to suppress the immune > system. > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Gold Generator
You only have to be a Yahoo member to access the home page of the list. You can subscribe to a list with a simple email. Your options will be set for you or you can ask the list owner to set them if you don't want the standard daily emails. Garnet On Sun, 2004-08-08 at 17:31, cliff hume wrote: > After only 10 or so years, I have still been unable to pass the test to > enter Yahoo. Looks as though I will have to do without Gold information. > > Thanks just the same. > > Cliff Hume ch...@shaw.ca > > > - Original Message - > From: "l" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:00 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator > > > > Join the gold list for extensive research on colloidal gold production: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cg_exchange/ > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > >
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I have had a similar problem. Easier, I think, to get into Fort Knox than into Yahoo. George
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After only 10 or so years, I have still been unable to pass the test to enter Yahoo. Looks as though I will have to do without Gold information. Thanks just the same. Cliff Hume ch...@shaw.ca - Original Message - From: "l" To: Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:00 PM Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator > Join the gold list for extensive research on colloidal gold production: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cg_exchange/ > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Gold Generator
do you have a source for that claim??? jim - Original Message - From: "Nina Whit" To: Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 2:34 PM Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator > Be carefull with gold, gold has been reported to suppress the immune > system. > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gold Generator
Be carefull with gold, gold has been reported to suppress the immune system. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gold Generator
poppy cock. Gold does not turn loose of its atoms with 30 vdc at all. Trust me. It takes an arc. - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 6:15 AM Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator Brent has been in business for a long time. That's all I know about him or his machines. I bought zinc elecrodes from Brent a few years ago in hopes of making CZ. They came fast enough. Making CZ didn't work at 30 volts that I could tell. Why not email him for output specs and copies of lab reports? Ask about return policy too. If it's a good machine that he stands behind, it should be a generous one. Ode At 06:15 PM 8/7/2004 EDT, you wrote: >>>> I have been making CS for a few years and I'm now interested in making colloidal gold. But a search of the archives and extensive googling shows that gold generators are few and far between -- and expensive. One of the less expensive, which is said to produce both silver and gold is on sale at <http://colloidalsilvergens.com/generator-info/colloidal_gold_generator>http://colloidalsilvergens.com/generator-info/colloidal_gold_generator. htm The sales report says it can produce "40ppm and higher with a new 4" electrode which is 90% .999 gold and 10% .999 silver." Has anyone had experience with this machine? Comments would be appreciated. George <<<< -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gold Generator
Subject: Re: CS>Gold Generator > Brent has been in business for a long time. That's all I know > about him or his machines. > I bought zinc elecrodes from Brent a few years ago in hopes of > making CZ. They came fast enough. Making CZ didn't work at 30 > volts that I could tell. > Ode Hi Ken, I tried zinc electrodes made from 1.5V "D" cells and used my 160V constant current generator. The zinc ions leave the anode same as with CS, but as soon as they reach the cathode, they plate right back on. This leaves the anode clean as a whistle, but the cathode has raised nodules all over. Once the voltage across the cell starts to flatten, all the ions leaving the anode plate back onto the cathode, and you start getting oxygen bubbles generated at the anode and hydrogen at the cathode. This limits the concentration of ions in solution. I don't think it's very high. It should be possible to use the Faraday equation and measure the time until the cell voltage starts to flatten. This should indicate the concentration of ions left in solution. I don't know the ionization constant for zinc and whether it is the same as silver or doubled as for copper. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gold Generator
There was some discussion about using silver/gold alloy electrodes with success. Ode At 05:25 PM 8/7/2004 -0600, you wrote: >Checkout the list archives. IIRR the consensus of experienced opinion on >this list is that colloidal gold cannot be made with lvdc. >sol > >gallen4...@aol.com wrote: > >> I have been making CS for a few years and I'm now interested in making >> colloidal gold. But a search of the archives and extensive googling >> shows that gold generators are few and far between -- and expensive. >> One of the less expensive, which is said to produce both silver and >> gold is on sale at >> http://colloidalsilvergens.com/generator-info/colloidal_gold_generator. >> htm >> >> The sales report says it can produce "40ppm and higher with a new 4" >> electrode which is 90% .999 gold and 10% .999 silver." >> >> Has anyone had experience with this machine? Comments would be >> appreciated. >> >> George >> > > > > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Gold Generator
Brent has been in business for a long time. That's all I know about him or his machines. I bought zinc elecrodes from Brent a few years ago in hopes of making CZ. They came fast enough. Making CZ didn't work at 30 volts that I could tell. Why not email him for output specs and copies of lab reports? Ask about return policy too. If it's a good machine that he stands behind, it should be a generous one. Ode At 06:15 PM 8/7/2004 EDT, you wrote: I have been making CS for a few years and I'm now interested in making colloidal gold. But a search of the archives and extensive googling shows that gold generators are few and far between -- and expensive. One of the less expensive, which is said to produce both silver and gold is on sale at http://colloidalsilvergens.com/generator-info/colloidal_gold_generator. htm The sales report says it can produce "40ppm and higher with a new 4" electrode which is 90% .999 gold and 10% .999 silver." Has anyone had experience with this machine? Comments would be appreciated. George -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gold Generator
Join the gold list for extensive research on colloidal gold production: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cg_exchange/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gold Generator
Checkout the list archives. IIRR the consensus of experienced opinion on this list is that colloidal gold cannot be made with lvdc. sol gallen4...@aol.com wrote: I have been making CS for a few years and I'm now interested in making colloidal gold. But a search of the archives and extensive googling shows that gold generators are few and far between -- and expensive. One of the less expensive, which is said to produce both silver and gold is on sale at http://colloidalsilvergens.com/generator-info/colloidal_gold_generator. htm The sales report says it can produce "40ppm and higher with a new 4" electrode which is 90% .999 gold and 10% .999 silver." Has anyone had experience with this machine? Comments would be appreciated. George -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gold Generator
I have one that must be similar. I ordered it fro the USA. It comes with the one silver-gold electrode, but I have not been able to make Colloidal Gold with it. Furthermore, the quality of silver is not as good as that made by the Kwiksilver unit made on this island in Canada. I wish there was a way to return it and get my money back. Cliff Hume - ch...@shaw.ca - Original Message - From: gallen4...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 3:15 PM Subject: CS>Gold Generator I have been making CS for a few years and I'm now interested in making colloidal gold. But a search of the archives and extensive googling shows that gold generators are few and far between -- and expensive. One of the less expensive, which is said to produce both silver and gold is on sale at http://colloidalsilvergens.com/generator-info/colloidal_gold_generator. htm The sales report says it can produce "40ppm and higher with a new 4" electrode which is 90% .999 gold and 10% .999 silver." Has anyone had experience with this machine? Comments would be appreciated. George
