Re: CS>water alkalizers and silver

[David AuBuchon]

I think I got my tests mixed up...anyway one of those tests looked a
lot better - to the tune of 40 points.

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:00 AM, David AuBuchon
 wrote:
> I means "uric acid" reduced by 40 points
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:59 PM, David AuBuchon
>  wrote:
>> Actually, the study showed reduced urine pH, indicating more efficient
>> elimination of acidic waste products, thereby alkalizing the body.
>>
>> One approach to alkalizing is to accelerate the rate of ingestion of
>> alkaline material such a bicarbonate.  A second approach is to
>> accelerate the rate of elimination of acids.  That is what magnetized
>> water does.
>>
>> The company you linked to that sells the magnetizer products I am sure
>> is affiliated with Peter Kulish who happens to have also been involved
>> in the study I am referring to:
>> http://greenmagnetfoundation.org/magnetized_water_on_kidney_function
>>
>> There is a Dr. Lam who claims that magnetized water eventually almost
>> normalizes high uric acid in people with kidney failure.  I recently
>> advised someone with kidney failure to start it, and their next blood
>> test did show urea reduced by like 40 points.  It could have been
>> responsible, though he was doing other things too.
>>
>> An interesting thing about accelerating the elimination of acids is
>> that there is no way you can possibly overdo it.  Your body knows what
>> needs to get eliminated.  But with ingesting alkaline material, there
>> is theoretically a way to overdo it.
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Evan Jones  wrote:
>>> 5/17/12, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
>>>
>>> David AuBuchon  queried:
>>>
 Does regular electrolysis break up water clusters, thus possibly making a 
 confounding variable with Colloidal Silver (CS)?  Meaning the declustered 
 water could improve detox, making it responsible for part of the health 
 improvements in some people?
>>>
>>> Good question.
>>>
 There is a study showing greatly reduced pH of people drinking magnetized
>>>  water as compared to regular water, indicating more acidic wastes being
>>>  removed.
>>>
>>> .. sounds like an interesting study .. I think you meant to say an
>>> *increased* pH (e.g. from 7 to 8)?
>>>
Magnetized water presumably works also by breaking up clusters.
>>>
>>> Yes, this appears to be the case; there are companies that sell water
>>> magnetizers for HVAC cooling towers, that allows the tower cooling
>>> water to operate at higher than normal levels of dissolved solids,
>>> without the risk of scale depositing on the heat transfer surfaces.
>>>
>>> "Typically after magnetizer units are installed, the scale within the
>>> system will start to rehydrate, as this occurs, conductivity /tds and
>>> ph will start to rise ( in boilers, efficiency should also go up
>>> slightly). If the system is not blown down or flushed out, the water
>>> will soon become very mineral rich soup or mud. This can not only burn
>>> out pumps, but also start to re-scale. However, if the system is
>>> monitored properly and the conductivity is held in the proper ranges,
>>> the system will reach maximum efficiency . When the system is finally
>>> cleaned out, the blow down procedures can actually be reduced, thereby
>>> saving water and energy."
>>>
>>> Jon Barron once ran some experiments on magnetizing water. See Magnets
>>> and the Bioavailability of Water.
>>> http://www.jonbarron.org/natural-health/water-bioavailability-magnets
>>>
>>> Mike Monet's last post pointed out that the concentrations of CS in
>>> the body are so dilute that some other factor must be at play.
>>>
>>> Dr Majid Ali is fond of administering tiny quantities of dilute
>>> hydrogen peroxide to patients, using IV drips. He claims to have
>>> treated 3,000 patients. He offers a complex explanation of how H2O2
>>> may work in the Oct, 2004 issue of Townsend Letter for Doctors and
>>> Patients: "Hydrogen peroxide therapies: recent insights into oxystatic
>>> and antimicrobial actions"
>>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_255/ai_n7637380/
>>>
>>> I came to H2O2 via a highly successful experience treating a bout of
>>> acute bronchitis using mega doses of IV Vitamin C. But sadly, here in
>>> SE Asia, the lobbying powers of Big Farma have made it almost
>>> impossible to get the liquid infusable sodium ascorbate or to find a
>>> practitioner to willing administer the drip.
>>>
>>> So, to keep bronchitis at bay, I now nebulize H2O2 (in tiny amounts),
>>> (in lieu of IV vitamin C). Nebulizing is easy to do at home. It
>>> appears to work, as I haven't had a lung infection since taking up
>>> regular sessions of nebulized  H2O2 nearly a year ago.
>>>
>>> Vitamin C and hydrogen peroxide seem to have similar mechanisms of
>>> oxidative therapeutic action. Is it possible that CS works by similar
>>> means?
>>>
>>> David AuBuchon postulated that:
 So improvements with CS therapy could possibly be in part due to detox and
>>>  not

Re: CS>water alkalizers and silver

[David AuBuchon]

I means "uric acid" reduced by 40 points

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:59 PM, David AuBuchon
 wrote:
> Actually, the study showed reduced urine pH, indicating more efficient
> elimination of acidic waste products, thereby alkalizing the body.
>
> One approach to alkalizing is to accelerate the rate of ingestion of
> alkaline material such a bicarbonate.  A second approach is to
> accelerate the rate of elimination of acids.  That is what magnetized
> water does.
>
> The company you linked to that sells the magnetizer products I am sure
> is affiliated with Peter Kulish who happens to have also been involved
> in the study I am referring to:
> http://greenmagnetfoundation.org/magnetized_water_on_kidney_function
>
> There is a Dr. Lam who claims that magnetized water eventually almost
> normalizes high uric acid in people with kidney failure.  I recently
> advised someone with kidney failure to start it, and their next blood
> test did show urea reduced by like 40 points.  It could have been
> responsible, though he was doing other things too.
>
> An interesting thing about accelerating the elimination of acids is
> that there is no way you can possibly overdo it.  Your body knows what
> needs to get eliminated.  But with ingesting alkaline material, there
> is theoretically a way to overdo it.
>
>
> David
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Evan Jones  wrote:
>> 5/17/12, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
>>
>> David AuBuchon  queried:
>>
>>> Does regular electrolysis break up water clusters, thus possibly making a 
>>> confounding variable with Colloidal Silver (CS)?  Meaning the declustered 
>>> water could improve detox, making it responsible for part of the health 
>>> improvements in some people?
>>
>> Good question.
>>
>>> There is a study showing greatly reduced pH of people drinking magnetized
>>  water as compared to regular water, indicating more acidic wastes being
>>  removed.
>>
>> .. sounds like an interesting study .. I think you meant to say an
>> *increased* pH (e.g. from 7 to 8)?
>>
>>>Magnetized water presumably works also by breaking up clusters.
>>
>> Yes, this appears to be the case; there are companies that sell water
>> magnetizers for HVAC cooling towers, that allows the tower cooling
>> water to operate at higher than normal levels of dissolved solids,
>> without the risk of scale depositing on the heat transfer surfaces.
>>
>> "Typically after magnetizer units are installed, the scale within the
>> system will start to rehydrate, as this occurs, conductivity /tds and
>> ph will start to rise ( in boilers, efficiency should also go up
>> slightly). If the system is not blown down or flushed out, the water
>> will soon become very mineral rich soup or mud. This can not only burn
>> out pumps, but also start to re-scale. However, if the system is
>> monitored properly and the conductivity is held in the proper ranges,
>> the system will reach maximum efficiency . When the system is finally
>> cleaned out, the blow down procedures can actually be reduced, thereby
>> saving water and energy."
>>
>> Jon Barron once ran some experiments on magnetizing water. See Magnets
>> and the Bioavailability of Water.
>> http://www.jonbarron.org/natural-health/water-bioavailability-magnets
>>
>> Mike Monet's last post pointed out that the concentrations of CS in
>> the body are so dilute that some other factor must be at play.
>>
>> Dr Majid Ali is fond of administering tiny quantities of dilute
>> hydrogen peroxide to patients, using IV drips. He claims to have
>> treated 3,000 patients. He offers a complex explanation of how H2O2
>> may work in the Oct, 2004 issue of Townsend Letter for Doctors and
>> Patients: "Hydrogen peroxide therapies: recent insights into oxystatic
>> and antimicrobial actions"
>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_255/ai_n7637380/
>>
>> I came to H2O2 via a highly successful experience treating a bout of
>> acute bronchitis using mega doses of IV Vitamin C. But sadly, here in
>> SE Asia, the lobbying powers of Big Farma have made it almost
>> impossible to get the liquid infusable sodium ascorbate or to find a
>> practitioner to willing administer the drip.
>>
>> So, to keep bronchitis at bay, I now nebulize H2O2 (in tiny amounts),
>> (in lieu of IV vitamin C). Nebulizing is easy to do at home. It
>> appears to work, as I haven't had a lung infection since taking up
>> regular sessions of nebulized  H2O2 nearly a year ago.
>>
>> Vitamin C and hydrogen peroxide seem to have similar mechanisms of
>> oxidative therapeutic action. Is it possible that CS works by similar
>> means?
>>
>> David AuBuchon postulated that:
>>> So improvements with CS therapy could possibly be in part due to detox and
>>  not infection killing?
>>
>> Infection killing is the easier mental model for me to understand.
>> i.e. We all carry an unwanted microbial load of hidden chronic
>> infections, By reducing the infectious load, we free up our immune
>> system to prioritize other health issu

Re: CS>water alkalizers and silver

[David AuBuchon]

Actually, the study showed reduced urine pH, indicating more efficient
elimination of acidic waste products, thereby alkalizing the body.

One approach to alkalizing is to accelerate the rate of ingestion of
alkaline material such a bicarbonate.  A second approach is to
accelerate the rate of elimination of acids.  That is what magnetized
water does.

The company you linked to that sells the magnetizer products I am sure
is affiliated with Peter Kulish who happens to have also been involved
in the study I am referring to:
http://greenmagnetfoundation.org/magnetized_water_on_kidney_function

There is a Dr. Lam who claims that magnetized water eventually almost
normalizes high uric acid in people with kidney failure.  I recently
advised someone with kidney failure to start it, and their next blood
test did show urea reduced by like 40 points.  It could have been
responsible, though he was doing other things too.

An interesting thing about accelerating the elimination of acids is
that there is no way you can possibly overdo it.  Your body knows what
needs to get eliminated.  But with ingesting alkaline material, there
is theoretically a way to overdo it.


David

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Evan Jones  wrote:
> 5/17/12, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
>
> David AuBuchon  queried:
>
>> Does regular electrolysis break up water clusters, thus possibly making a 
>> confounding variable with Colloidal Silver (CS)?  Meaning the declustered 
>> water could improve detox, making it responsible for part of the health 
>> improvements in some people?
>
> Good question.
>
>> There is a study showing greatly reduced pH of people drinking magnetized
>  water as compared to regular water, indicating more acidic wastes being
>  removed.
>
> .. sounds like an interesting study .. I think you meant to say an
> *increased* pH (e.g. from 7 to 8)?
>
>>Magnetized water presumably works also by breaking up clusters.
>
> Yes, this appears to be the case; there are companies that sell water
> magnetizers for HVAC cooling towers, that allows the tower cooling
> water to operate at higher than normal levels of dissolved solids,
> without the risk of scale depositing on the heat transfer surfaces.
>
> "Typically after magnetizer units are installed, the scale within the
> system will start to rehydrate, as this occurs, conductivity /tds and
> ph will start to rise ( in boilers, efficiency should also go up
> slightly). If the system is not blown down or flushed out, the water
> will soon become very mineral rich soup or mud. This can not only burn
> out pumps, but also start to re-scale. However, if the system is
> monitored properly and the conductivity is held in the proper ranges,
> the system will reach maximum efficiency . When the system is finally
> cleaned out, the blow down procedures can actually be reduced, thereby
> saving water and energy."
>
> Jon Barron once ran some experiments on magnetizing water. See Magnets
> and the Bioavailability of Water.
> http://www.jonbarron.org/natural-health/water-bioavailability-magnets
>
> Mike Monet's last post pointed out that the concentrations of CS in
> the body are so dilute that some other factor must be at play.
>
> Dr Majid Ali is fond of administering tiny quantities of dilute
> hydrogen peroxide to patients, using IV drips. He claims to have
> treated 3,000 patients. He offers a complex explanation of how H2O2
> may work in the Oct, 2004 issue of Townsend Letter for Doctors and
> Patients: "Hydrogen peroxide therapies: recent insights into oxystatic
> and antimicrobial actions"
> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_255/ai_n7637380/
>
> I came to H2O2 via a highly successful experience treating a bout of
> acute bronchitis using mega doses of IV Vitamin C. But sadly, here in
> SE Asia, the lobbying powers of Big Farma have made it almost
> impossible to get the liquid infusable sodium ascorbate or to find a
> practitioner to willing administer the drip.
>
> So, to keep bronchitis at bay, I now nebulize H2O2 (in tiny amounts),
> (in lieu of IV vitamin C). Nebulizing is easy to do at home. It
> appears to work, as I haven't had a lung infection since taking up
> regular sessions of nebulized  H2O2 nearly a year ago.
>
> Vitamin C and hydrogen peroxide seem to have similar mechanisms of
> oxidative therapeutic action. Is it possible that CS works by similar
> means?
>
> David AuBuchon postulated that:
>> So improvements with CS therapy could possibly be in part due to detox and
>  not infection killing?
>
> Infection killing is the easier mental model for me to understand.
> i.e. We all carry an unwanted microbial load of hidden chronic
> infections, By reducing the infectious load, we free up our immune
> system to prioritize other health issues.
>
> Have a look at the ideas of Russel Farris, who owns a list called
> infection-corti...@yahoogroups.com and a brief and highly readable
> website www.polymicrobial.com (have a look, you can get through
> Russell's i

Re: CS>water alkalizers and silver

[David AuBuchon]

Does regular electrolysis break up water clusters, thus possibly making a
confounding variable with CS?  Meaning the declustered water could improve
detox, making it responsible for part of the health improvements in some
people?

There is a study showing greatly reduced pH of people drinking magnetized
water as compared to regular water, indicating more acidic wastes being
removed.  Magnetized water presumably works also by breaking up clusters.
So improvements with CS therapy could possibly be in part due to detox and
not infection killing?

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Ode Coyote wrote:

>
>
>   You CS is already half alkaline water...except for whatever part of it
> that has made silver hydroxide.
>
> Ode
>
>
>
> At 09:59 PM 5/14/2012 -0700, you wrote:
>
> Anyhow, I suppose one could run DW through an alkalizer and then use that
> to brew CS.
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Renee  wrote:
>
>
> I think if that were the case then someone would already be doing it.
> Once the material is saturated the water shouldn’t flow across at all, so
> it’s actually a block, I would think.  Whereas any size opening, without a
> block, would admit water through as a flow, even if it was very narrow.
>
>
>
> Samala,
>
> Renee
>
>
>
> From: David AuBuchon 
> [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com]
>
>
>
>
> Perhaps if you omitted the sponge, but made the connecting tube rally
> narrow, that the electrolysis would outpace the mixing of the water, and
> some distinct product could be produced with silver electrodes?
>
>

Re: CS>water alkalizers and silver

[Ode Coyote]

  You CS is already half alkaline water...except for whatever part of it 
that has made silver hydroxide.


Ode


At 09:59 PM 5/14/2012 -0700, you wrote:
Anyhow, I suppose one could run DW through an alkalizer and then use that 
to brew CS.


On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Renee 
<gaiac...@gmail.com> wrote:


I think if that were the case then someone would already be doing 
it.  Once the material is saturated the water shouldn't flow across at 
all, so it's actually a block, I would think.  Whereas any size opening, 
without a block, would admit water through as a flow, even if it was very 
narrow.




Samala,

Renee



From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com]



Perhaps if you omitted the sponge, but made the connecting tube rally 
narrow, that the electrolysis would outpace the mixing of the water, and 
some distinct product could be produced with silver electrodes?

Re: CS>water alkalizers and silver

[Ode Coyote]

  They work, but most use tap or salt water and wind up with a soluble 
metal hydroxide as the alkaline part vs OH[-] ions which a CS gen makes by 
default along with the silver ions.


Much cheaper to put a few crystals of Draino in a glass of water.

No reason to not keep the Ag[+] and OH[-]  {"Alkaline water"} apart that I 
know of.


Ode

At 08:09 PM 5/14/2012 -0700, you wrote:

Do DIY alkalizers like this really work?
http://www.instructables.com/id/Water-Alkalizer-or-Ioniser-for-5/?ALLSTEPS

Sounds like a big money saver over commerical products.  Assuming they 
have value to begin with.


Also, if one used silver electrodes instead, and distilled water, and 
removed the sponge in the middle, what would be the result?  (assuming 
suitable parts to avoid significant contamination were available).  The 
sponge is presumably to prevent the remixing of the water on either 
side.  But that would destroy any possibility of getting abundant silver 
ions.


David

Re: CS>water alkalizers and silver

[David AuBuchon]

Oh, that is right.  Duh!

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Renee  wrote:

>  Um, don’t think so.  According to some articles the only way to get a
> high ph (anything over neutral) is if the water has a lot of minerals in
> it.  That’s why the expensive machines also have a setting for dropping in
> liquid minerals so that as the water makes the ph it stays.  
>
> ** **
>
> Best CS is made when there’s very little of anything in the water.  So I
> have to wonder if adding minerals to water to get and stabilize the higher
> ph, if that would exclude good CS.
>
> ** **
>
> Maybe I’ll ask this on Mike’s silver list.  It’s a good question.
>
> ** **
>
> Samala,
>
> Renee
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Anyhow, I suppose one could run DW through an alkalizer and then use that
> to brew CS.  
>

RE: CS>water alkalizers and silver

[Renee]

Um, don't think so.  According to some articles the only way to get a high
ph (anything over neutral) is if the water has a lot of minerals in it.
That's why the expensive machines also have a setting for dropping in liquid
minerals so that as the water makes the ph it stays.  

 

Best CS is made when there's very little of anything in the water.  So I
have to wonder if adding minerals to water to get and stabilize the higher
ph, if that would exclude good CS.

 

Maybe I'll ask this on Mike's silver list.  It's a good question.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

 

Anyhow, I suppose one could run DW through an alkalizer and then use that to
brew CS.  

Re: CS>water alkalizers and silver

[David AuBuchon]

Anyhow, I suppose one could run DW through an alkalizer and then use that
to brew CS.

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Renee  wrote:

>  I think if that were the case then someone would already be doing it.
> Once the material is saturated the water shouldn’t flow across at all, so
> it’s actually a block, I would think.  Whereas any size opening, without a
> block, would admit water through as a flow, even if it was very narrow.  *
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> Samala,
>
> Renee
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com]
>
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Perhaps if you omitted the sponge, but made the connecting tube rally
> narrow, that the electrolysis would outpace the mixing of the water, and
> some distinct product could be produced with silver electrodes?
>

RE: CS>water alkalizers and silver

[Renee]

I think if that were the case then someone would already be doing it.  Once
the material is saturated the water shouldn't flow across at all, so it's
actually a block, I would think.  Whereas any size opening, without a block,
would admit water through as a flow, even if it was very narrow.  

 

Samala,

Renee

 

From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] 



 

Perhaps if you omitted the sponge, but made the connecting tube rally
narrow, that the electrolysis would outpace the mixing of the water, and
some distinct product could be produced with silver electrodes?

Re: CS>water alkalizers and silver

[David AuBuchon]

Perhaps if you omitted the sponge, but made the connecting tube rally
narrow, that the electrolysis would outpace the mixing of the water, and
some distinct product could be produced with silver electrodes?

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:15 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

> Excellent find Renee. Thanks for that info. Yes, that is certainly a
> reasonable markup.  I think he probably deserves it.
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Renee  wrote:
>
>>  You always have to have something in the middle to keep the flow of
>> water ‘out’ of the other container.  Some use sponges, some use pure cotton
>> wadded up, some use chamois cloth.  Since one container is acid and one
>> alkaline water, if they were to flow across and mix freely you wouldn’t
>> have acid or alkaline—it may easily be neutral.  But you do need something
>> that allows the current to flow across—hence the filter in between.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> There’s some good videos on making your own alkalizer, one place where
>> you can buy a nice looking set up for around $150 but all of these suggest
>> stainless steel or titanium.  Titanium is actually better, but according to
>> this site
>>
>>
>> http://www.freshandalive.com/fresh_and_alive_content/products-ionizer-fna-2g.htm
>> you should really get platinum coated titanium, which can be hard to
>> source.  He shows a vid of ‘plain’ titanium being etched away by this
>> electric process.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The image he shows of the titanium in the vid is a long half-pipe looking
>> piece, yet the close up on his actually for-sale machine looks like a
>> little one inch piece.  I wrote him asking about this discrepancy and he
>> said the long pipe was to show how much the titanium got eaten away along
>> the edges, and that the coated small piece will NEVER wear out—because I
>> had asked him about replacement times.  
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> So it would seem to me that for the money from his site you’d actually be
>> getting the best device, plus I’m thinking you could use these coated
>> titanium pieces and the electric plug for making a foot bath device.  Yeah,
>> you’d have to clean the electrodes VERY good, but—since the coated
>> electrodes never wear out you’d be getting 2 devices for pretty much one
>> price.  For the foot baths all you’d need to buy would be 2 plastic shoe
>> boxes.  Seems like a good deal. 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>  Supposedly the cost for his unit is because of the coated titanium.  I
>> think this may be true because as I searched around for a supply for the
>> coated titanium all I could find was 1 inch pieces (which is what his looks
>> like) at $65 each—so that’s 130 just in the titanium.  So less than a
>> hundred for the containers, the plug in and the cotton wad filter.  You
>> could probably find these things for cheaper, but if someone didn’t want to
>> mess gathering parts from all over his is the best deal out there.  The
>> $150 one uses titanium, if I remember right, but it’s not coated and
>> eventually you’ll have to replace the electrodes.  
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Samala,
>>
>> Renee
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com]
>>
>> 
>>
>> Do DIY alkalizers like this really work?
>> http://www.instructables.com/id/Water-Alkalizer-or-Ioniser-for-5/?ALLSTEPS
>>
>> Sounds like a big money saver over commerical products.  Assuming they
>> have value to begin with.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>
>

Re: CS>water alkalizers and silver

[David AuBuchon]

Excellent find Renee. Thanks for that info. Yes, that is certainly a
reasonable markup.  I think he probably deserves it.

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Renee  wrote:

>  You always have to have something in the middle to keep the flow of
> water ‘out’ of the other container.  Some use sponges, some use pure cotton
> wadded up, some use chamois cloth.  Since one container is acid and one
> alkaline water, if they were to flow across and mix freely you wouldn’t
> have acid or alkaline—it may easily be neutral.  But you do need something
> that allows the current to flow across—hence the filter in between.
>
> ** **
>
> There’s some good videos on making your own alkalizer, one place where you
> can buy a nice looking set up for around $150 but all of these suggest
> stainless steel or titanium.  Titanium is actually better, but according to
> this site
>
>
> http://www.freshandalive.com/fresh_and_alive_content/products-ionizer-fna-2g.htm
> you should really get platinum coated titanium, which can be hard to
> source.  He shows a vid of ‘plain’ titanium being etched away by this
> electric process.
>
> ** **
>
> The image he shows of the titanium in the vid is a long half-pipe looking
> piece, yet the close up on his actually for-sale machine looks like a
> little one inch piece.  I wrote him asking about this discrepancy and he
> said the long pipe was to show how much the titanium got eaten away along
> the edges, and that the coated small piece will NEVER wear out—because I
> had asked him about replacement times.  
>
> ** **
>
> So it would seem to me that for the money from his site you’d actually be
> getting the best device, plus I’m thinking you could use these coated
> titanium pieces and the electric plug for making a foot bath device.  Yeah,
> you’d have to clean the electrodes VERY good, but—since the coated
> electrodes never wear out you’d be getting 2 devices for pretty much one
> price.  For the foot baths all you’d need to buy would be 2 plastic shoe
> boxes.  Seems like a good deal. 
>
> ** **
>
>  Supposedly the cost for his unit is because of the coated titanium.  I
> think this may be true because as I searched around for a supply for the
> coated titanium all I could find was 1 inch pieces (which is what his looks
> like) at $65 each—so that’s 130 just in the titanium.  So less than a
> hundred for the containers, the plug in and the cotton wad filter.  You
> could probably find these things for cheaper, but if someone didn’t want to
> mess gathering parts from all over his is the best deal out there.  The
> $150 one uses titanium, if I remember right, but it’s not coated and
> eventually you’ll have to replace the electrodes.  
>
> ** **
>
> Samala,
>
> Renee
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com]
>
> 
>
> Do DIY alkalizers like this really work?
> http://www.instructables.com/id/Water-Alkalizer-or-Ioniser-for-5/?ALLSTEPS
>
> Sounds like a big money saver over commerical products.  Assuming they
> have value to begin with.
>
>
> 
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RE: CS>water alkalizers and silver

[Renee]

You always have to have something in the middle to keep the flow of water
'out' of the other container.  Some use sponges, some use pure cotton wadded
up, some use chamois cloth.  Since one container is acid and one alkaline
water, if they were to flow across and mix freely you wouldn't have acid or
alkaline-it may easily be neutral.  But you do need something that allows
the current to flow across-hence the filter in between.

 

There's some good videos on making your own alkalizer, one place where you
can buy a nice looking set up for around $150 but all of these suggest
stainless steel or titanium.  Titanium is actually better, but according to
this site

http://www.freshandalive.com/fresh_and_alive_content/products-ionizer-fna-2g
.htm  you should really get platinum coated titanium, which can be hard to
source.  He shows a vid of 'plain' titanium being etched away by this
electric process.

 

The image he shows of the titanium in the vid is a long half-pipe looking
piece, yet the close up on his actually for-sale machine looks like a little
one inch piece.  I wrote him asking about this discrepancy and he said the
long pipe was to show how much the titanium got eaten away along the edges,
and that the coated small piece will NEVER wear out-because I had asked him
about replacement times.  

 

So it would seem to me that for the money from his site you'd actually be
getting the best device, plus I'm thinking you could use these coated
titanium pieces and the electric plug for making a foot bath device.  Yeah,
you'd have to clean the electrodes VERY good, but-since the coated
electrodes never wear out you'd be getting 2 devices for pretty much one
price.  For the foot baths all you'd need to buy would be 2 plastic shoe
boxes.  Seems like a good deal. 

 

 Supposedly the cost for his unit is because of the coated titanium.  I
think this may be true because as I searched around for a supply for the
coated titanium all I could find was 1 inch pieces (which is what his looks
like) at $65 each-so that's 130 just in the titanium.  So less than a
hundred for the containers, the plug in and the cotton wad filter.  You
could probably find these things for cheaper, but if someone didn't want to
mess gathering parts from all over his is the best deal out there.  The $150
one uses titanium, if I remember right, but it's not coated and eventually
you'll have to replace the electrodes.  

 

Samala,

Renee

 

From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] 



Do DIY alkalizers like this really work?
http://www.instructables.com/id/Water-Alkalizer-or-Ioniser-for-5/?ALLSTEPS

Sounds like a big money saver over commerical products.  Assuming they have
value to begin with.