Re: [SLUG] getting files from Govt departments
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Hi, > > I am to be given a 13MB ascii file by a NSW department. Good luck - I've never met a Government department that knows what an ASCII file is (with appologies to any government IT staff on the list !!). If you can get a "computer literate" person there to ZIP the file and email it to you, you'll probably have more luck... Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Nautilus Progress
> other than for images, what use is such a small view of a document? > (and what do you do for, eg: sound files?) Might leave that one for Conrad. :) Perhaps a sample as you move your mouse across? Now *that* would be innovation! > for complicated formats (eg: word doc or > postscript) generating thumbnails has to hurt. Yuk. Take me to the preferences! > i question whether the thumbnails add anything, beyond making all your > text files look the same (from any practical distance) For images, thumbnails are a killer feature. Working with graphics so often, I've tried many different thumbnailing programs, but nothing could beat thumbnailing the files in place - it would seriously rock to have this *everywhere*. I'm fascinated by EFM's use of thumbnails... specifically fonts. Not sure who thought of that, but I hope they're coming to linux.conf.au -> I have to buy them a beer just for the idea. > (nautilus isn't very conservative of screen space, is it.. useless, > huge (tho nicely shaded) panel on the left. Supposedly those tabs do something useful. It does look like waste to me... Again, look at EFM (okay, okay, here's a link: http://mandrake.net/images/may31.2000.jpg - it's a Mandrake screenshot, and he has no respect for people with modems or less than four monitors, so beware the download). EFM has windows and icons. Windows, and icons. Oh, and pretty pictures, but you knew that. > hopefully you can "zoom" out the icons to a manageable size, > but still keep the text readable? who designed this thing anyway and > why do we like it so much anyway? the screen shots don't seem to show > off anything particularly new or unique (or even useful)) I've heard the treeview and icon list screenshots were forgotten... Hopefully they will show off a bit more usability than pop. - Jeff -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Nautilus Progress
On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 03:23:02PM +1000, Andrew Reilly wrote: > On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 01:40:51PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > Whilst I was hoping for some debate and discussion on FS UI's and such, it's > > always good to solve a few troubles along the way... :) > > Nautilus looks as though it has some really nice features. It > didn't take long for Mac OS-X's "thumbnail for document icon" > idea to propagate, did it? i was just thinking about the thumbnails, and was about to flame the idea.. i'll back off a bit and actually ask questions then ;) other than for images, what use is such a small view of a document? (and what do you do for, eg: sound files?) even in nautilus (at least in those screenshots i just looked at) you have to zoom massively, just to get a very unhelpful view of part of a text document. would you really search for a file this way? how is the thumbnail generation done? is it cached, or recrunched after every directory change? for complicated formats (eg: word doc or postscript) generating thumbnails has to hurt. i question whether the thumbnails add anything, beyond making all your text files look the same (from any practical distance) (nautilus isn't very conservative of screen space, is it.. useless, huge (tho nicely shaded) panel on the left. large icons packed very innefficiently, with file details in a hard to "visually grep" layout. hopefully you can "zoom" out the icons to a manageable size, but still keep the text readable? who designed this thing anyway and why do we like it so much anyway? the screen shots don't seem to show off anything particularly new or unique (or even useful)) -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Nautilus Progress
On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 02:37:59PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > and when will gtk support X resources? they kick ass and would be a > > shame to lose. > > X resources *are* cool. Is there some kind of (slap me if this sounds > backwards) GUI tool that will query an apps X resources and allow > modification? That would be editres? Part of the standard X distro for yonks. The bottom of the man page says: RESTRICTIONS This is a prototype, there are lots of nifty features I would love to add, but I hope this will give you some ideas about what a resource editor can do. And quite rightly: I've never really been able to figure out how to make it do something useful. No, I tell a lie: I used it to figure out how to apply sensible keyboard bindings to knews function buttons. -- Andrew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Zmodem transfer to an telnet NT box
On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 01:38:58PM +1000, George Vieira wrote: > What I meant by command line is that the users are using CU under linux to a > dial up server which is NOT TCP/IP and is just plain text based. Hence the > connection is texted based. > Once your logged in it drops you into a C:\ prompt to do maintenance work. > > But the users usually require to send or retrieve a file via this text based > connection so if they can fire up a command (like below) and retrieve it > then it would be perfect. > > DSZ filenae.code That's what I thought that you meant. Zmodem isn't the only terminal-line-discipline-aware-file-transfer-protocol. Kermit can do that too. Kermit is widely ported, and was freely available the last time I looked, but that was ten years ago, before the advent of NT. -- Andrew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Compulsory listserv?
On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 06:51:50AM +1000, Roland Turner wrote: > Scott Donkin wrote: > > > Responding, slowly. Thanks for responding Raz, but your note wasn't of any help to Scott either. He asked on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] to be unsubscribed so I did that for him manually. > It is possible that there is an email-only way of achieving all of this, > I don't know what it is. If you don't have a web-browser, say so. If you sent "help" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] it will respond with the commands available to you. The only thing you can't do via email is request a copy of your password to be sent to you. I might work on that once I get some time (i.e. ask me again in a year :) One reason mailman is becoming widely used is that you can have options set on a per-user basis. Digesting, Acknowledgements, etc. Quite handy. Regards, Anand -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Nautilus Progress
On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 01:40:51PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Whilst I was hoping for some debate and discussion on FS UI's and such, it's > always good to solve a few troubles along the way... :) Nautilus looks as though it has some really nice features. It didn't take long for Mac OS-X's "thumbnail for document icon" idea to propagate, did it? I still haven't seen a FS UI that was nicer and more "complete" than Acorn's RISC-OS, which appeared on their Archimedes line of PCs somewhere around 1987 or so. The big thing about that environment was that there was no such thing as a file save dialog box, or a file open dialog box. Everything worked by drag and drop, on the theory: why invent an inferior version of the file system view just for this purpose, when the user probably already has that open in a window on their desktop? So, to open a file, you would either double-click on it's icon (to start it's default application), or drag it to an active instance of that or another application. To save a file, you did get a little dialog window, but it just contained a single icon, representing the file, and you could drag that to a directory viewer to execute the save. If you dropped the "save" icon into another application, then that initiated an inter-application dialog to transfer the contents in the way most suited to the target application, rather than touching the disk at all. There's an X-based re-implementation of this, ROX, at rox.sourceforge.net, but I haven't had time to muck about with it. -- Andrew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [slug] auto ftp web site
> > i want to automatically mirror the site onto our isp > > ftp:\\ftp.myisp.com/~myid/html > > the programs i've seem bring sites down not upload them > > can i have some suggestions please [..] > Try scripting Steve. This pretty basic script should help you ncftp has a recursive option that's passable[1] if all you have to use is ftp: [adam@milf:~]$ ncftpput -u adam -R milf.ihug.com.au newtree/ downloads/ Password: /home/adam/downloads/SpiralSynth-0.1.0.tar.gz: 40.93 kB1.27 MB/s /home/adam/downloads/icqlib-1.0.0.tar.gz: 244.10 kB2.45 MB/s [..] [adam@milf:~]$ ls newtree/ SpiralSynth-0.1.0.tar.gz icqlib-1.0.0.tar.gz [1] I'd rather use scp, or ssh/rsync, etc. :) -- adm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Nautilus Progress
On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 01:24:40PM +1000, Matt wrote: > Ermm .. I always remember having trouble restoring windows > after I have minimised them in (??) Enlightenment ? Once they > were minimised I would have to call a taskbar to get them > back, I just discovered that an ALT TAB seems to restore em in > Sawfish. That's one way. I always have my root-mouse buttons bound to the active applications list (left button) and the useful applications list (right button). I really like that "iconified" windows just go away completely. More space: less clutter. > One more thing, what do you do about your bubblemon and clock applets ? You start them from .xinitrc like: rclock -g 64x64-0+0 -bg "light blue" & #asclock -g -64+0 -t Orb -noblink -exe ical & xnodecor -w asclock & xload -g 64x64-0+64 -bw 0 & xnodecor -w xload & pppload -geometry 64x64-0+128 -device ed -link 0 & xnodecor -w pppload & wmmixer -position -63+194 & xnodecor -w wmmixer & wmcdplay -position -63+256 -d /dev/acd0c & xnodecor -w wmcdplay & xbiff -g 64x64-0+320 -file $HOME/Mail/inbox & xnodecor -w xbiff & That glues them to the desktop along the top right-hand side of the screen, neatly fitted together in 64-pixel blocks, without borders, and untouchable by the window manager. I've switched to rclock from just about every other clock I've tried, because it has the really neat feature of running a sort of personal cron job, but where the applications have access to the X server. Since I login through XDM, ordinary cron jobs can't do things like change the background image when a new weathermap comes in at http://www.ece.jcu.edu.au/JCUMetSat/aushlast.gif Anyone know of other cron-like things that can run X applications? -- Andrew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Re: Nautilus Progress
On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 02:37:59PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > X resources *are* cool. Is there some kind of (slap me if this sounds > backwards) GUI tool that will query an apps X resources and allow > modification? I remember some discussion regarding where to find an apps X > resources from a couple of weeks ago... editres(1x) -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: telstra adsl bug?
On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 02:26:26PM +1000, Roland Turner wrote:
>
> Have you read the docs that Andrew Morton pointed out yesterday?
>
i've read goddamn everything (except the atm rfc's, i wasn't in the
mood)
since neither of you can stick to the questions without trying to
guess what problems i was having: ;)
a bit of background first (for those listening in):
(this is all assuming IPv4, of course)
pppoe (ppp over ethernet) adds an 8 byte overhead (6 bytes header, 2
bytes frame delimiters). thus your mtu (maximum transmissable unit)
(normally 1500 for ethernet) goes to 1492 bytes for a pppoe
connection.
when a router has to forward a packet larger than the mtu its about to
shove it down, it does one of two things:
if the don't fragment (DF) bit is set, it drops the packet and sends
an ICMP "host unreachable - needed to fragment, but don't fragment
bit set. the mtu i was trying to stuff the packet into is xxx" packet
back to the originating host.
otherwise, it fragments the packet into smaller pieces and shoves the
smaller pieces down the pipe.
its more efficient on everyone involved if fragmenting is unecessary,
so TCP sets the DF bit and does "mtu discovery" (it keeps trying the
returned mtu's, until the packet finally gets there)
just to make it a little more efficient, during tcp connection an MSS
(maximum segment size) option is given to the other end. this value is
pretty much always the mru (max receivable unit) of the interface you
are expecting to receive the traffic on. when you send, you use the
lower of the received mss and the mtu of your interface as the initial
value for your mtu discovery.
now, the problem:
when i send stuff to/from my adsl box (out the adsl line), it
correctly gives its mss as 1492 to the other side, they use that
instead of their 1500 (assuming they are connected to ethernet), and
everything works fine. (this is why normal single-machine adsl users
don't see any problems)
now, when you are behind a masq'ing box, neither end knows
(immediately) there is a 1492 byte mtu anywhere along the line.
large packets going out of my network, correctly get the icmp error
from my adsl box and try again at 1492, everything happy.
the first large packet coming in however, seems to hang for 2.5
minutes (or so) and then i get a fragmented tcp packet (one 1492, one
8 byte fragments). the rest of the incoming packets are similarly
fragmented but without the delay. interestingly, traffic from
melbourne.cache.telstra.net (the recommended web proxy) is always
fragmented immediately.
mucking about with "traceroute -F {1492,1500}" (from outside the
telstra network to my adsl IP) suggests the packet is getting to 3
hops away from my adsl box, and then disappearing.
i can "fix" it by setting my all my computer's mtu to 1412 or so (to
allow for worst-case tcp options), but that means doing that on every
machine, and its a hack.
(alternatively, i suppose i could write a netfilter module that would
rewrite mss options in both directions. but thats also a hack)
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[SLUG] getting files from Govt departments
Hi, I am to be given a 13MB ascii file by a NSW department. We've tried twice so far. The attempt first was burned onto a ISO9660 CDROM by (presumably) a Win98 machine. Using RH6.2 I could only get 4096 bytes off before I got an I-O error. The filename is of the 8.3 form. I tried on a separate machine of mine running W95. It hung! The second was burned as a Joliet CDROM by (presumably) the same machine. I can't read any of it, although ls shows the 13MB file sitting there invitingly. Any suggestions, please? What are they doing that my machines don't know about? Cheers, Jim Donovan -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Nautilus Progress
> (note: gtk themes, which apply uniformly to all gtk apps, still fit > the "consistent look and feel" goals. and windowmanager themes usually > appliy uniformly to all windows, so they don't count either) Says Gus, still happily using WindowMaker :) I must admit, that in amongst my rants on the topic of "consistent look and feel", I have found use for per-window decorations - even to the point of using sub-themes. I use the border-only MicroGUI decoration for my netscape windows (which gives insight into my habit of stuffing up tags!) > and when will gtk support X resources? they kick ass and would be a > shame to lose. X resources *are* cool. Is there some kind of (slap me if this sounds backwards) GUI tool that will query an apps X resources and allow modification? I remember some discussion regarding where to find an apps X resources from a couple of weeks ago... > (*cough* tcl/tk has been able to do it for years (and much faster too) > *cough*) > (that the rant you were looking for, jeff?) Half of it! I want to hear someone with an opposing view who can back it up well. I agree with you too much. :) - Jeff -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Nautilus Progress
Matt wrote: > Ermm .. I always remember having trouble restoring windows after I have > minimised them > in (??) Enlightenment ? Once they were minimised I would have to call a > taskbar to > get them back In Enlightenment, or pops up a list of everything running, so you can bring it back after you minimise it. You can also toggle between windows with . No need for taskbars. :-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: porting c (Only a lil bit OT)
On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 11:17:02AM +1000, Alex Salmon wrote: > hi all > i have made a nice lil c program that uses > > #include > #include > #include > #include > > It compiles and works nicly in linux with gcc, I am trying to run the prog > in win but i am having a little bit of trouble compiling it. > > I have borrowed borland c++ 5 from a friend to see if it could compile but > it dosent seem to have any of the headers i need especially socket etc. - > can a c++ compiler just compile c like it is native? > > the Question is-- is sys/socket.h a *nix only thing or shoud i be able to > compile it in win? is there a way to compile progs for win in linux? And > is there any free way of doing the above as my budget goes from about 0 to > 0 ;-) either go for cygwin (as jeff suggested), or if even thats too much of an impediment to development, go for a cross compiler like "gcc-win" (on freshmeat) -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] telstra adsl bug?
Angus Lees wrote: > > before everyone gets really excited about masquerading and adsl, i > think i've uncovered a bug in telstra's end of the adsl > connection.. more details later, i just want to confirm some things > first: Yes, ATM cells contain a 48 byte payload and a 5 byte header. But you don't see this because packet data is transported across ATM adaption layer 5 (AAL5). AAL5 does all the magical fragmentation and assembly to permit layer 3 datagrams to be transported across ATM. > i presume i'm right in saying that i should *NEVER* see a fragmented > TCP packet? (cos the DF bit is set) If the far end is sending an IP packet with DF=1 then that packet shouldn't be fragmented. There are some types of client equipment which do not support path MTU discovery and they incorrectly set DF on client->network datagrams. There's some hackery in the Lucent/Acsend dial gateways to overcome this, but I think this only affects dial, not ADSL DSLAMS. > > specifically, what does atm do with (as a hypothetical example) a > packet of 1500 bytes? (my two bits of atm knowledge imply it isn't > going to do the normal IP fragmentation) I suspect that your problem (which you haven't described yet...) is due to PPPoE overhead. If you set your PPP MTU to greater than 1492 bytes, dem packets won't fit into ethernet frames. Play with your PPP MTU size. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] telstra adsl bug?
Angus Lees wrote: > before everyone gets really excited about masquerading and adsl, i > think i've uncovered a bug in telstra's end of the adsl > connection.. more details later, i just want to confirm some things > first: > > i presume i'm right in saying that i should *NEVER* see a fragmented > TCP packet? (cos the DF bit is set) TCP does not require that the DF bit be set. If you are asking this in a Linux kernel masquerading context, then I don't know. I recall something about this in a kernel configuration file, I never followed it up. > anyone care to give me a brief summary of how atm works? ;) > > all i know about atm is its connection-oriented and has really small > (53 bytes?) packets. That's about right. I thought that they were a few bytes larger. > specifically, what does atm do with (as a hypothetical example) a > packet of 1500 bytes? (my two bits of atm knowledge imply it isn't > going to do the normal IP fragmentation) I would assume that they get chopped into appropriately sized chunks, sent sequentially, and stuck back together upon exiting AAL. This will almost certainly happen below IP however. IP will most likely see the same datagram pop out the other end that you pushed in at your end. Another possibility is that PPP is taking care of this. Remember that your tcpdumps are actually Ethernet dumps and are therefore showing you individual PPP chunks (packets?). Have you read the docs that Andrew Morton pointed out yesterday? Are you seeing lots of tiny Ethernet packets? What MTUs are you using? - Raz -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Nautilus Progress
On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 12:34:30PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> Is themeability a cop-out for good design principles (a tough call given the
> experience behind Eazel)?
i just don't get "skins" (/chrome/themes/whatever).
from what little attention i've been paying to gui development, the
goal seem to be "consistent look and feel". surely individually
themeable applications (hi raster ;) is a massive step backwards..
(note: gtk themes, which apply uniformly to all gtk apps, still fit
the "consistent look and feel" goals. and windowmanager themes usually
appliy uniformly to all windows, so they don't count either)
and when will gtk support X resources? they kick ass and would be a
shame to lose. (i have yet to see a "new-fangled" widget set support
the run time querying/modifying that Xaw and editres could)
and xaw widgets could be embedded in each other too (eg: gs inside
gv)..
java once had a nifty (extremely nifty, by java standards ;) widget
wrapper layer, so a java program used native widgets and "looked and
felt" like a native app. extremely nice for a portable language
(*cough* tcl/tk has been able to do it for years (and much faster too)
*cough*)
now it has some sucky "swing" widget set, which doesn't match anything
in existance (tho i hear its "themeable" - by the application, not the
user). yay.
you'd reckon people would have worked out that the "traditional"
MSWindows scrollbars sucked by now. the only thing you ever do with a
(vertical) scrollbar is move it up and down. you certainly don't want
to have to move your mouse from one end to the other of a very narrow
widget in order to do that.
xaw: left click or right click anywhere on the scrollbar moves up or
down respectively.
NeXT: up and down arrows are both at the same end, not at opposite
ends.
openwindows: the scroll up/down points are at each end of the "smaller
draggable part", rather than fixed at the far ends.
all much better solutions. all very early widget sets. and yet all
these new widget sets emulate the sucky MSWindows behaviour.
come to think of it, what have we actually gained with all these
new-fangled widget sets anyway?
("oooh, you can embed the mozilla pane in another program". you've
been able to embed emacs in another xaw program for over 10 years. and
show me a gtk program that can actually use two displays
simultaneously, i dare you)
new-fangledness sucks
(i have a theory that there are no (ok, "extremely few") new
problems. people just don't look for how their particular problem was
already solved, and keep reinventing the same wheels, nearly always
poorly.)
(that the rant you were looking for, jeff?)
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Re: [SLUG] Nautilus Progress
> Sorry I meant to say, Since you remove your taskbar, you dont have a > clocks and other applets, are you okay with not having a clock > anywhere or do you get the time from another program ? As Cantanker would say, "Use your f*%&#ing prompt!" I, however, still like a bit of clock applet action. Another idea is to run xclock (choosing appropriate colours with X resources) without window decorations, and stick it in an unobtrusive corner of your desktop. That won't help you if you have to look at analogue clocks sideways to tell the time, like me. Okay, you can quit your giggling. > I'm really suprised it's so tough to remove that taskbar ! Isn't it > actually known as a gnome-panel ? Can't this be found in an xinitrc > file ? I think i remember using gnome-panel to create a panel > when I was playing around with my own xinit files Okay, hold on... Are you trying to remove the panel, or the 'task bar'? GNOME calls it the dockapp or something similar, but decidedly non-Bill. If you want to remove the, um, thing that tells you what's running in iconic button format (you can tell I don't use it, no?), right click the arrow on the left or right side. That will give you the standard applet control menu. For a panel, right clicking will give you the standard panel control menu. If you don't want any panels ever again (ie. after you log in at a later date, assuming you ever log out), run: save-session --gui and you won't have to do it again. - Jeff -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Zmodem transfer to an telnet NT box
What I meant by command line is that the users are using CU under linux to a dial up server which is NOT TCP/IP and is just plain text based. Hence the connection is texted based. Once your logged in it drops you into a C:\ prompt to do maintenance work. But the users usually require to send or retrieve a file via this text based connection so if they can fire up a command (like below) and retrieve it then it would be perfect. DSZ filenae.code -Original Message- From: Andrew Reilly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 1:02 PM To: Jon Biddell Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Grant Parnell; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Zmodem transfer to an telnet NT box On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 12:11:08PM +1000, Jon Biddell wrote: > > > >I need a WinDoze program that runs on a command line to accept or > > >transmit a file using the zmodem protocol. There's alot out there but > > >they are all for the GUI and since I'm telnetting into a NT4 box, all > > >I have access to is the command prompt. I am currently using the good > > >old bz and sz commands under linux and just need one for NT How about kermit? I'm pretty sure that there are Windows ports, but I don't know whether they're command-line or not. -- Andrew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] telstra adsl bug?
before everyone gets really excited about masquerading and adsl, i think i've uncovered a bug in telstra's end of the adsl connection.. more details later, i just want to confirm some things first: i presume i'm right in saying that i should *NEVER* see a fragmented TCP packet? (cos the DF bit is set) anyone care to give me a brief summary of how atm works? ;) all i know about atm is its connection-oriented and has really small (53 bytes?) packets. specifically, what does atm do with (as a hypothetical example) a packet of 1500 bytes? (my two bits of atm knowledge imply it isn't going to do the normal IP fragmentation) (i spent half of yesterday staring at multiple tcpdump's and traceroute's - had to rebuild my frontal lobes by playing starcraft (on linux, of course) til 4am ;) -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Nautilus Progress
Whilst I was hoping for some debate and discussion on FS UI's and such, it's always good to solve a few troubles along the way... :) > I'm also having troubles removing the only panel on the screen, the > remove from panel > menu is disabled, how do I get rid of it ? This is a particularly annoying problem with the Helix menu, I've found. In fact, it's hard enough to get to the panel menu in the first place with it! You may want to try one of the GNOME mailing lists, or #gnome on irc.gimp.org -> there are always kind and helpful people around to help out... or make a quick patch to fix some real doozies! I haven't some across a disabled menu item for my panels so far... > One more thing, what do you do about your bubblemon and clock applets ? > :) What do you want to do? Get rid of them? Right click and 'Remove from Panel' - Jeff -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Nautilus Progress
> > Just looking at the screenshots, sometimes I can't > > see a "taskbar" anywhere. Yes, I didn't notice > That's mostly because they're window shots -> there's only one full screen > shot there. > > > What's the alternative way of switching between > > applications ? A hotkey to cycle between them ? > > Depends on your window manager. I use Sawfish (if only because I installed > Helix GNOME), and like everything else, it's fully configurable. Mine's > alt-tab, familiar to some. You could make it respond to the right and left > Windows keys if you wanted (just like your consoles - it's quite cool if you > hadn't noticed it yet). > No I didn't notice that, I only recently got a keyboard with Window Keys .. it's a neat idea ! Ermm .. I always remember having trouble restoring windows after I have minimised them in (??) Enlightenment ? Once they were minimised I would have to call a taskbar to get them back, I just discovered that an ALT TAB seems to restore em in Sawfish. I'm also having troubles removing the only panel on the screen, the remove from panel menu is disabled, how do I get rid of it ? One more thing, what do you do about your bubblemon and clock applets ? :) -- Matt Kozera -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: samba printer problems
On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 02:21:23PM +1000, Anand Kumria wrote: > Also, I'm not sure but I think "writable =" must be yes for things to work. no. under smb, "printing = yes" is kinda like a d-w--w--wt directory. if you make it writable, you could probably mess with other print jobs, etc. -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] STG Browser Based Banking Feedback
On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 12:13:25PM +1000, Jon Biddell wrote: > Has anyone tried ANZ ? I believe they support *nix... I've never had any problems with ANZ from FreeBSD native Netscape, so I'm sure that Linux or other versions would work. -- Andrew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Zmodem transfer to an telnet NT box
On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 12:11:08PM +1000, Jon Biddell wrote: > > > >I need a WinDoze program that runs on a command line to accept or > > >transmit a file using the zmodem protocol. There's alot out there but > > >they are all for the GUI and since I'm telnetting into a NT4 box, all > > >I have access to is the command prompt. I am currently using the good > > >old bz and sz commands under linux and just need one for NT How about kermit? I'm pretty sure that there are Windows ports, but I don't know whether they're command-line or not. -- Andrew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Compulsory listserv?
On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 10:53:38PM +1000, Scott Donkin wrote: > At 10:43 4/08/00 +1000, you wrote: > > >Ah ha - the mailing list has since been moved. Many times. > > Many times? What, in the last month? I only subbed on 1 July. :) No, only once. SLUG was donated a server earlier this year, and we've been moving various services onto it over the past few months. The mailing lists were moved recently, and this was quite possibly the biggest change. We took the opportunity to change list software also (Mailman provids more "features" and has an "easier" web interface). I guess its inevitable there'd be some hiccups with such a change, so thankyou for finding these and pointing them out. > >> Who runs the show, please? > > > >As stated on *each* and *every* post that goes on the list: > > I was hoping to find a person. > > The person mentioned in the month-old "Welcome" message is Anthony Rumble > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Messages to that address bounce. The new list admin is Anand Kumria, who responded to you earlier. The new admin address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- the change reflects Mailman's preferred format. Perhaps owner-slug@ should be provided for compatability with previous welcome messages? > Thanks - I'll have one more go before blocking it at the ISP. 8) :-P Though we seek to encourage people to use and discuss Linux, we shall endeavour not to make it compulsory. Please disregard the landmines near the border on your way out, and have a pleasant day. > -- Never feed anything to a cat that doesn't match the carpet! love it :) Conrad. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Nautilus Progress
> Just looking at the screenshots, sometimes I can't > see a "taskbar" anywhere. That's mostly because they're window shots -> there's only one full screen shot there. > What's the alternative way of switching between > applications ? A hotkey to cycle between them ? Depends on your window manager. I use Sawfish (if only because I installed Helix GNOME), and like everything else, it's fully configurable. Mine's alt-tab, familiar to some. You could make it respond to the right and left Windows keys if you wanted (just like your consoles - it's quite cool if you hadn't noticed it yet). I don't use a 'taskbar' either... For some reason it just doesn't suit the way I work under X. - Jeff -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Nautilus Progress
Just looking at the screenshots, sometimes I can't see a "taskbar" anywhere. What's the alternative way of switching between applications ? A hotkey to cycle between them ? -- Matt Kozera Jeff Waugh wrote: > > Hi all, > > There's some new Nautilus screenshots up on the Eazel site: > >http://nautilus.eazel.com/screenshots/aug-02-2000 > > Nautilus has some really great features, and some very bold ways of > displaying information about your files - even becoming the viewer (or > really, a container). Looks pretty too, at least the teal theme does... But > will we need yet another section on themes.org for it? > > Is themeability a cop-out for good design principles (a tough call given the > experience behind Eazel)? > > Is configurability the 'New Bloatware' for Free Software? So many options it > hurts (or it hurts to find them)? > > How do we keep software simple, but satisfy many? -> For developers and > users alike? > > - Jeff > > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Nautilus Progress
Hi all, There's some new Nautilus screenshots up on the Eazel site: http://nautilus.eazel.com/screenshots/aug-02-2000 Nautilus has some really great features, and some very bold ways of displaying information about your files - even becoming the viewer (or really, a container). Looks pretty too, at least the teal theme does... But will we need yet another section on themes.org for it? Is themeability a cop-out for good design principles (a tough call given the experience behind Eazel)? Is configurability the 'New Bloatware' for Free Software? So many options it hurts (or it hurts to find them)? How do we keep software simple, but satisfy many? -> For developers and users alike? - Jeff -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] STG Browser Based Banking Feedback
> >How typical of the banks. See the magic word "Unix", and blame the > >operating system for their inadequacies. > > > >FWIW, I was simply attempting to login to the service - not even > >trying to DO anything - and continually getting "Service Unavailable > >-Please try again later". > > > >Morons. I'm taking my business elsewhere - to someone who supports > >"Unix". Has anyone tried ANZ ? I believe they support *nix... Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Zmodem transfer to an telnet NT box
> >I need a WinDoze program that runs on a command line to accept or > >transmit a file using the zmodem protocol. There's alot out there but > >they are all for the GUI and since I'm telnetting into a NT4 box, all > >I have access to is the command prompt. I am currently using the good > >old bz and sz commands under linux and just need one for NT > > > >Anybody used or know of any that I can download for these lamers who > >don't use TCP/IP and just a crappy text terminal access? I seem to remember the Unix SZ/RZ programs being available for DOS some years ago - I can do a bit of searching for you and let you know. NT4 ? I *think* there's an ftp daemon for it that can run as a service - I'll take a look in the NT4 "fix-up theur cockups" kit for you. Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] porting c (Only a lil bit OT)
> the Question is-- is sys/socket.h a *nix only thing or shoud i be able to > compile it in win? is there a way to compile progs for win in linux? And > is there any free way of doing the above as my budget goes from about 0 to > 0 ;-) Hi Alex, You may want to have a look at cygwin, a "Unix-like" environment on top of Windows (I'm sure there is a better description than that, but it will have to do for now). It's a Cygnus (a RedHat Company[tm] etc) project, and you'll find all your favourites such as gcc, bash, MySQL (!) and I'm pretty sure mutt compiles under it too. It's great having a bash prompt under the other OS sometimes... But of course, you're playing with foundations of sand then, aren't you? Try it out - last time I used it it was pretty stable. No links, because I'm never sure where links to Cygnus will end up these days... ;) (When I read your subject line, I wondered why you thought this was off-topic -> I wish there were a bit more development oriented stuff on SLUG... But yes, porting from Lin. to Win. is kinda backwards!) - Jeff (stuck on Win32 at work, and realising how much he likes his bendy keyboard and mutt) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] porting c (Only a lil bit OT)
Alex Salmon wrote:
> #include
> #include
> #include
> #include
>
> It compiles and works nicly in linux with gcc, I am trying to run the prog
> in win but i am having a little bit of trouble compiling it.
Here is some sample code I've used to compile socket-based proggies
on both *nix and Windoze I leave it up to you to determine
how to set __UNIX__ or __WIN32__ as appropriate:
// includes: sockets and networking
#if defined(__UNIX__)
#include
#include
#include
#include
#include
#include
#elif defined(__WIN32__)
#include
#endif
// Win32 sockets require this initialisation step (once):
#if defined(__WIN32__)
int const wVersionRequested = MAKEWORD(1,1);
WSAData sockdata;
int const startupcode = WSAStartup(wVersionRequested,&sockdata);
if (startupcode != 0)
{
die or whatever
}
#endif
// Win32 read() does not do sockets ... must use recv e.g.
// NOT: int const readlen = read(sock, buf, buflen);
int const readlen = recv(sock, buf, buflen, 0);
// Win32 write() does not do sockets ... must use send e.g.
// NOT: int const writelen = write(sock, buf, buflen);
int const writelen = send(sock, buf, buflen, 0);
---
Win32 socket errors - must call WSAGetLastError()
Finally, read the docs on w32sock.dll or whatever you've got.
Your BCC or MSVC environment should have help for winsock.h
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[SLUG] STG Browser Based Banking Feedback
Dazza wrote: >How typical of the banks. See the magic word "Unix", and blame the >operating system for their inadequacies. > >FWIW, I was simply attempting to login to the service - not even >trying to DO anything - and continually getting "Service Unavailable >-Please try again later". > >Morons. I'm taking my business elsewhere - to someone who supports >"Unix". If you find one that says it supports unix let me know. In the meantime I'm pretty happy with the StGeorge System. As for their support, well just tell em you're using Netscape, don't mention the operating system and all will be well :-) Here's a screenshot of it working if anyone cares, complete with Dazza's email overlapping it. http://users.bigpond.net.au/gripz/stgeorge.jpg Note that I have found times when their system is down, typically around midnight and sometimes over the weekend and frankly it's been damn inconvenient sometimes but generally cool. -- Grant Parnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Ph: 02-8701-4564 Mob: 0408-686-201 Web: http://linuxfreak.com/~gripz No Microsoft products were used in the production of this message. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] porting c (Only a lil bit OT)
hi all i have made a nice lil c program that uses #include #include #include #include It compiles and works nicly in linux with gcc, I am trying to run the prog in win but i am having a little bit of trouble compiling it. I have borrowed borland c++ 5 from a friend to see if it could compile but it dosent seem to have any of the headers i need especially socket etc. - can a c++ compiler just compile c like it is native? the Question is-- is sys/socket.h a *nix only thing or shoud i be able to compile it in win? is there a way to compile progs for win in linux? And is there any free way of doing the above as my budget goes from about 0 to 0 ;-) thanks alex -- When life is hard to stand try kneeling. I never met a calorie i didn't like ;-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Zmodem transfer to an telnet NT box
George wrote: >Hi all, > >I need a WinDoze program that runs on a command line to accept or >transmit a file using the zmodem protocol. There's alot out there but >they are all for the GUI and since I'm telnetting into a NT4 box, all >I have access to is the command prompt. I am currently using the good >old bz and sz commands under linux and just need one for NT > >Anybody used or know of any that I can download for these lamers who >don't use TCP/IP and just a crappy text terminal access? It's not entirely clear from your message whether you want to do zmodem over TCP/IP or just zmodem over serial. For zmodem over serial back in the BBS days everybody had a copy of DSZ.EXE or DSZ.COM (same file actually!) which could be called with command line parameters in a batch file to do various things and using different protocols even. For zmodem over TCP/IP you're best bet would be to try compiling sz and rz for Windows or even plain DOS. If they use STDIN/STDOUT you're home free. Unless you mean a text mode comms package? Try TELIX or QMODEM or heaven forbid XTALK. All of these ancient DOS tools should be on a Simtel archive somewhere about the place. If you have difficulty tracking them down let me know. -- Grant Parnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Ph: 02-8701-4564 Mob: 0408-686-201 Web: http://linuxfreak.com/~gripz No Microsoft products were used in the production of this message. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Linux and Clustering..
But a cluster would also help if a machine fails... see your PIII 1000Mhz
with 1Gb memory and 20Gb LVD drive is useless if the machine fails which is
why I though of a cluster.
Apparently as cluster can handle a machine failing but just starts to slow
down... I may be wrong and just heard somewhere...
-Original Message-
From: Terry Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 11:54 PM
To: George Vieira
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux and Clustering..
George Vieira wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'd just like to get some views and opinions on Linux Clustering. I have a
> client who deals with a huge database and the Intel P II 400Mhz with a
RAID
> XX and 384MB memory is not cutting it.
> Also the machine has just cacked it with a drive failing and errors into
the
> database. Not sure on the RAID but if it was causing data errors then I
> doubt it's raid 1 or 5..
The real question is how much is it going to grow?
If not, then you would probably find a hardware upgrade easier;
CPU to PIII/Athlon,
RAM to 512MG/1024MB,
Hard disk to SCSI-3 on LVP
Would a dual CPU help?
It is a lot easier to have one machine, than mulptiple
machines/problems.
Raid fails for a reason - what is it?
> What I was thinking was to create a linux cluster and from what I heard
> needs big bandwidth between them so I thought instead of 100Base-T I'd see
> what fibre would be like...??? I have no idea if it'll be better or not or
> just a waste...
If it is going to grow, then clustering might solve your problems if a
cluster can serve the demand. There are some good Linux Journal
solutions to various real world problems. You might find some answers
there, or at least tips.
Probably a waste. Is it 100Mb now? What is the faster backpane switch
that you can get - I've seen great network plans die because the
switch backplane speed wasn't that fast.
Is dual porting the box possible?
I'd suggest you really find out what the cause of the problems are
before any money is spent.
I once saw a system 60Gb (15 x4Gb Fast Wide) system that had data
errors and it turned out the whole kit and caboodle was jammed under a
CAD L desk with full modestry skirt and sides and almost nil
ventilation in the general office. Worked great in winter and lousy in
summer. What was required was forced ventlation under the dest and
extra booster fans in the external SCSI boxes (about $200 at the time)
= problem solved.
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Re: [SLUG] BASH command return value
On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 11:31:13AM -0400, Subba Rao wrote: > In this case, when my command fails the BASH variable $? value is displayed > in my prompt. What is happening is that a command return value stays there > until an new command is issued. A newline for the shell will still return the > previous $? value. $? value is never reset until a new command is issued. Well, that's just the way shells work. When you write a shell script, you never care whether you put a few blank lines between the command that you're testing. Now, as you've found, you can override that behaviour by executing a command that returns true (0) _after_ the $? value has been displayed, but before the next command is accepted. You chose whois, but that's a real executable, so you have to fork an extra time for each prompt. If you use a shell builtin like $(exit 0), to reset the result value, and keep using \u for your user name, then (a) your shell might run a bit more quickly, but (b) you can't actually use $? yourself, on the command line. Well you can in multi-statement lines, I guess. Aesthetics aside, better to have learned this lesson, leave the prompt as you originally had it (not resetting the result), and reset it manually if you feel strongly about it. It actually sounds like a bloody good idea. Think I'll try it myself for a while. Thanks, -- Andrew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] NEC V25 CPU
Ken Yap wrote: >I entered NEC V25 CPU into google.com and the first hit I got back >was > >http://einstein.et.tudelft.nl/~offerman/chiplist.long.html > >which explains that the V25 is an enhanced version of the V20, which >in turn is a souped up 8088. There are some NEC part numbers which >you can try to chase up. Over to you. Ahh!! the V20 chip. I remember that being nifty because you could drop it into your XT computer and switch between booting MS-DOS and CP/M. I.E. It supports 8086 and Z80 opcodes. That should get you started! To the newbies, yes it was definitely easier dual booting a system that ran exclusively off 360K 5.25" floppy disks. -- Grant Parnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Ph: 02-8701-4564 Mob: 0408-686-201 Web: http://linuxfreak.com/~gripz No Microsoft products were used in the production of this message. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Compulsory listserv?
Scott Donkin wrote: > > Christ I'm having a good night... > > I just merrily hit the OK to all the spelling suggestions I got, including > changing unsubscribe to un subscribe. > > The msg I sent should read: > > OK - let's do this again slowly: > Can you please give me the *correct* address AND command for unsubscribing > from this list. > I have now sent mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the command in the > body: unsubscribe > I have also tried using unsubscribe and my email address. Both times it > comes back asking for a password that I supposedly supplied when > subscribing. I didn't. I have the original mail here. > I'd appreciate the plain English version if there is one. > Thanks. Responding, slowly. Note that I have _nothing_ to do with the administration of the list. I have, however, just tested this myself. It works. First, all of the information that you need can be reached from the information quoted in your own message: > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug - Point your browser at http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug - At the bottom of the page is a section labelled "To change your subscription (set options like digest and delivery modes, get a reminder of your password, or unsubscribe from Slug), enter your subscription email address:" - Enter your email address here and press "Edit Options". - Click the "Email My Password To Me" button. - When this email arrives, return to the above page (I started from the beginning, it is possible that using your browsers' 'Back' button will also work) and in the section labelled "To unsubscribe, enter your password and hit the button. (If you've lost your password, see just below to have it emailed to you.) ", enter your password then press the Unsubscribe button. - You will see a page telling you that you have been unsubscribed. - A little later you will receive an email confirming that this has happened. This is a little more roundabout than gratuitously consuming the time of a volunteer admin, but it is about the least that can be done to ensure that anyone who isn't you is unable to (un)subscribe you. Get used to it, MailMan is getting wider and wider use for mailing list administration. It is possible that there is an email-only way of achieving all of this, I don't know what it is. If you don't have a web-browser, say so. - Raz -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: STG Browser Based Banking Feedback
Rick Welykochy wrote: > And of course the bestest in online banks use SSL :) I kind of took that for granted. Has anyone heard of an online banking facility that doesn't? - Raz -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] BASH command return value
> When I change the PS1 sring to, > > PS1='($?)`whoami`@\h:\w =>' > > The return value for $? is immediately displayed in the next prompt. > > (0)subb3@myhost:~ => > (0)subb3@myhost:~ => lssdfh > (258)subb3@myhost:~ => > (0)subb3@myhost:~ => > (0)subb3@myhost:~ => ls > > (0)subb3@myhost:~ => ls o > ls: o: No such file or directory > (1)subb3@myhost:~ => > > In BASH, why does the "\u" and "whoami" make a big difference for the $? > value in > PS1 string? The BASH version is 2.04. Because you are running a whoami command inside the prompt? To convince yourself that the next number displayed is the result of the command inside the `s, substitute exit 123 for whoami. -- This mail sent via NLC WebMail: http://www.nlc.net.au/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] BASH command return value
My PS1 prompt has the following string, PS1='($?)\u@\h:\w =>' In this case, when my command fails the BASH variable $? value is displayed in my prompt. What is happening is that a command return value stays there until an new command is issued. A newline for the shell will still return the previous $? value. $? value is never reset until a new command is issued. (0)subb3@myhost:~ => (0)subb3@myhost:~ => lssdfh <== This is no command (258)subb3@myhost:~ => (258)subb3@myhost:~ => (258)subb3@myhost:~ => (258)subb3@myhost:~ => ls (0)subb3@myhost:~ => When I change the PS1 sring to, PS1='($?)`whoami`@\h:\w =>' The return value for $? is immediately displayed in the next prompt. (0)subb3@myhost:~ => (0)subb3@myhost:~ => lssdfh (258)subb3@myhost:~ => (0)subb3@myhost:~ => (0)subb3@myhost:~ => ls (0)subb3@myhost:~ => ls o ls: o: No such file or directory (1)subb3@myhost:~ => In BASH, why does the "\u" and "whoami" make a big difference for the $? value in PS1 string? The BASH version is 2.04. -- Subba Rao [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/ => Time is relative. Here is a new way to look at time. <= http://www.smcinnovations.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [slug] auto ftp web site
> i want to automatically mirror the site onto our isp
> ftp:\\ftp.myisp.com/~myid/html
>
> the programs i've seem bring sites down not upload them
> can i have some suggestions please
Try scripting Steve. This pretty basic script should help you
get started if you know Perl. Where it says "your file
processing here" put an external invocation to FTP or an
smbclient program.
You can also use the LWP or Net:FTP packages
(depends on your Perl install)
Regards,
-Sonam
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#!/usr/bin/perl
use strict;
# This uses a recursive routine to do a depth first processing
# of the directory hierarchy. Make sure that file permissions
# are in place and NO SYMLINKS EXIST (otherwise you risk endless
# processing of your filesystem)
thisdir ("."); # the initial call to the recursive subroutine
sub thisdir () {
my ($t, @allfiles, @alldirs, @realdirs, $jnk);
($t) = @_;
opendir THISDIR , $t or die "Could not open directory: $t : $!";
@allfiles = grep -f, readdir THISDIR;
# Do your file processing here, i.e. FTP uploads, right here.
# print "\nHAHAHA! THESE ARE YOUR FILES:\n @allfiles\n";
# e.g.: `smbclient '\\mc\s' -d0 -W NT_DOM -I 242.128.10.11 -U xyz -c "cd data;
ls $a" >> logfile`
closedir THISDIR;
# Get the directory names for the recursive calls below
opendir THISDIR , $t or die "Could not open directory: $t : $!";
@alldirs = grep -d, readdir THISDIR;
@realdirs = grep !/^\.\.?$/ ,@alldirs;
print "\nHAHAHA! THESE ARE YOUR DIRS:\n @realdirs\n";
closedir THISDIR;
# for each directory in current directory, go down in it
# then make a recursive call to thisdir()
# and when all calls have returned come back up
# and return control to the caller subroutine
foreach (@realdirs) {
$jnk = `pwd`;
chomp $jnk;
print "\nNow descending into ".$jnk."/".$_."\n";
chdir $jnk."/".$_;
print "\nCurrent directory is ".`pwd`;
thisdir(".");
}
print "\nAscending directory";
chdir "..";
print "\nCurrent dir: ".`pwd`."\n";
}
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> i have my users make the web site locally
> \home\site
>
> i want to automatically mirror the site onto our isp
> ftp:\\ftp.myisp.com/~myid/html
>
> the programs i've seem bring sites down not upload them
> can i have some suggestions please
> i'd like to run as a cron job daily at 11:06 or whatever
>
> regards
> stephen
>
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Re: [SLUG] Re: STG Browser Based Banking Feedback
Roland Turner wrote: > Rick Welykochy wrote: > > > > Two cheers here. Westpac's online banking works fine with a > > Netscape 4.7+ or IE 5.0+ browser. On Linux and 'Doze. > > Only Javascript and a couple of cookies are required ... > > nothing fancy. > > Comm Bank doesn't even require cookies. I suspect that their initial > Netbank application a few years ago (Windows only) generated so many > support requests from Windows users, and what-about-me's from Mac/UNIX > users that they finally chose to switch to a plain-vanilla (and > reasonbly fast, few graphics) web interface. It's great. And of course the bestest in online banks use SSL :) -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Compulsory listserv?
Scott Donkin wrote:
...snip
> It ain't as if I am not happy reading all the posts - they're great. I
> just haven't got much time.
Then, can I refer you to
http://www.woa.com.au/linux/how-tos/sortingmail.html so you can
continue your subscription and retain your own archive of SLUG infor
for a great resource. Read at your leisure. I have interests that I
only read about once per month, all neatly moved into a separate area.
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Re: [SLUG] ADSL, physical installation
On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 08:44:37PM +1000, Jon Biddell wrote: > What they do, I believe is bring the ADSL in on the second pair - your > phone line (well, most - mine wasn't !!) has 2 pairs, one as a "reserve", > which they use for the second phone line / ADSL / whatever... Nope it comes in on the phone line your phone is connected to. Telstras current policy is you have to have a connected telstra service to get ADSL. One of the whole points of it is that you can use ADSL and your net connection at the same time because it shares the same peice of copper. > > Anyone have any idea when they are going to be rolling ADSL out to us "poor > people" in the country (Kurrajong Exchange) ?? -- -- John FerlitoPh: +612 9253 5755 Systems Engineer Fax: +612 9247 5276 Pacific Internet (Aust) Pty Ltd http://www.pacific.net.au <> NASDAQ: PCNTF -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux and Clustering..
George Vieira wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'd just like to get some views and opinions on Linux Clustering. I have a
> client who deals with a huge database and the Intel P II 400Mhz with a RAID
> XX and 384MB memory is not cutting it.
> Also the machine has just cacked it with a drive failing and errors into the
> database. Not sure on the RAID but if it was causing data errors then I
> doubt it's raid 1 or 5..
The real question is how much is it going to grow?
If not, then you would probably find a hardware upgrade easier;
CPU to PIII/Athlon,
RAM to 512MG/1024MB,
Hard disk to SCSI-3 on LVP
Would a dual CPU help?
It is a lot easier to have one machine, than mulptiple
machines/problems.
Raid fails for a reason - what is it?
> What I was thinking was to create a linux cluster and from what I heard
> needs big bandwidth between them so I thought instead of 100Base-T I'd see
> what fibre would be like...??? I have no idea if it'll be better or not or
> just a waste...
If it is going to grow, then clustering might solve your problems if a
cluster can serve the demand. There are some good Linux Journal
solutions to various real world problems. You might find some answers
there, or at least tips.
Probably a waste. Is it 100Mb now? What is the faster backpane switch
that you can get - I've seen great network plans die because the
switch backplane speed wasn't that fast.
Is dual porting the box possible?
I'd suggest you really find out what the cause of the problems are
before any money is spent.
I once saw a system 60Gb (15 x4Gb Fast Wide) system that had data
errors and it turned out the whole kit and caboodle was jammed under a
CAD L desk with full modestry skirt and sides and almost nil
ventilation in the general office. Worked great in winter and lousy in
summer. What was required was forced ventlation under the dest and
extra booster fans in the external SCSI boxes (about $200 at the time)
= problem solved.
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Re: [SLUG] Compulsory listserv?
Christ I'm having a good night... I just merrily hit the OK to all the spelling suggestions I got, including changing unsubscribe to un subscribe. The msg I sent should read: OK - let's do this again slowly: Can you please give me the *correct* address AND command for unsubscribing from this list. I have now sent mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the command in the body: unsubscribe I have also tried using unsubscribe and my email address. Both times it comes back asking for a password that I supposedly supplied when subscribing. I didn't. I have the original mail here. I'd appreciate the plain English version if there is one. Thanks. -- Cya... __ S c o | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Never feed anything to a cat that doesn't match the carpet! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Compulsory listserv?
At 10:43 4/08/00 +1000, you wrote: OK - let's do this again slowly: Can you please give me the *correct* address AND command for unsubscribing from this list. I have now sent mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the command in the body: un subscribe I have also tried using un subscribe and my email address. Both times it comes back asking for a password that I supposedly supplied when subscribing. I didn't. I have the original mail here. I'd appreciate the plain English version if there is one. Thanks. -- Cya... __ S c o | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Never feed anything to a cat that doesn't match the carpet! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: STG Browser Based Banking Feedback
Rick Welykochy wrote: > > David wrote: > > > It's about the only thing Westpac gets right. Their > > internet banking runs on any late model netscrape, on any platform > > (Win/Mac/Unix) - so if Westpac can do it, why can't the others? > > Two cheers here. Westpac's online banking works fine with a > Netscape 4.7+ or IE 5.0+ browser. On Linux and 'Doze. > Only Javascript and a couple of cookies are required ... > nothing fancy. Comm Bank doesn't even require cookies. I suspect that their initial Netbank application a few years ago (Windows only) generated so many support requests from Windows users, and what-about-me's from Mac/UNIX users that they finally chose to switch to a plain-vanilla (and reasonbly fast, few graphics) web interface. It's great. - Raz -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Compulsory listserv?
At 10:43 4/08/00 +1000, you wrote: >Ah ha - the mailing list has since been moved. Many times. Many times? What, in the last month? I only subbed on 1 July. >> Who runs the show, please? > >As stated on *each* and *every* post that goes on the list: I was hoping to find a person. The person mentioned in the month-old "Welcome" message is Anthony Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages to that address bounce. >You could, as well, have looked at the Sender: header. Yeah, I guess, but I thought the Welcome message would be up to date. >Anand Thanks - I'll have one more go before blocking it at the ISP. 8) -- Cya... __ S c o | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Never feed anything to a cat that doesn't match the carpet! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Compulsory listserv?
On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 10:27:37PM +1000, Scott Donkin wrote: > Anyone know how to unsub from this list? Quite a number do; at least a couple every day. > I've RTFM'd and sent mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as stated in the > "Welcome to the party, Pal" note I got from Majordomo when I first sub'd > but nothing works. Ah ha - the mailing list has since been moved. Many times. > Who runs the show, please? As stated on *each* and *every* post that goes on the list: >-- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug You could, as well, have looked at the Sender: header. Another fairly common trick is to send to the -request address of a mailing list: e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED] in this case: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > It ain't as if I am not happy reading all the posts - they're great. I > just haven't got much time. > > Scott > > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug See, here it is again. I am working on getting RFC2369 style headers in the list messages but Mailman has "complications" do it at the moment. Plus I'm very pushed for time. Anand -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Compulsory listserv?
Anyone know how to unsub from this list? I've RTFM'd and sent mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as stated in the "Welcome to the party, Pal" note I got from Majordomo when I first sub'd but nothing works. Who runs the show, please? It ain't as if I am not happy reading all the posts - they're great. I just haven't got much time. Scott -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: STG Browser Based Banking Feedback
David wrote: > It's about the only thing Westpac gets right. Their > internet banking runs on any late model netscrape, on any platform > (Win/Mac/Unix) - so if Westpac can do it, why can't the others? Two cheers here. Westpac's online banking works fine with a Netscape 4.7+ or IE 5.0+ browser. On Linux and 'Doze. Only Javascript and a couple of cookies are required ... nothing fancy. -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: STG Browser Based Banking Feedback
I use St George's Internet banking every day in Netscape under RH6.2 Works for for me. I also use it on a windows machine, it loads a totally different applet which is much better than the old one that it loads under linux. Ah well. Matta -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: STG Browser Based Banking Feedback
It's about the only thing Westpac gets right. Their internet banking runs on any late model netscrape, on any platform (Win/Mac/Unix) - so if Westpac can do it, why can't the others? Mind you, their commercial "DeskBank" only runs on Windows, and is very flaky On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > DaZZa wrote: > > > > How typical of the banks. See the magic word "Unix", and blame the > > operating system for their inadequacies. > > > > FWIW, I was simply attempting to login to the service - not even trying to > > DO anything - and continually getting "Service Unavailable - Please try > > again later". > > > > Morons. I'm taking my business elsewhere - to someone who supports "Unix". > > I'm not a big fan of banks but I find Westpac's online banking to > be pretty good. It does however require Javascript. > > I'm currently accessing it with the US version of Netscape 4.74 (I > use Netscape 3.04 for everything else). > > Cheers, > Erik > -- > +-+ > Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] > +-+ > "Neither noise nor information is predictable." > -- Ray Kurzweil > > > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug > -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: STG Browser Based Banking Feedback (fwd)
DaZZa wrote: > > How typical of the banks. See the magic word "Unix", and blame the > operating system for their inadequacies. > > FWIW, I was simply attempting to login to the service - not even trying to > DO anything - and continually getting "Service Unavailable - Please try > again later". > > Morons. I'm taking my business elsewhere - to someone who supports "Unix". I'm not a big fan of banks but I find Westpac's online banking to be pretty good. It does however require Javascript. I'm currently accessing it with the US version of Netscape 4.74 (I use Netscape 3.04 for everything else). Cheers, Erik -- +-+ Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-+ "Neither noise nor information is predictable." -- Ray Kurzweil -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ADSL, physical installation
At 08:48 PM 8/4/00, Matt Allen wrote: >Heya Jon, > >Dont feel left out, I live 15 mins from the city (Hunters Hill) and im not >getting it either :( > >The HH Council is really precious and wont let Optus hang cables either. >Bastards. May they choke in their own bile !! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Linux and Clustering..(databases)
On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, George Vieira wrote: > I was more inclined to use possibly a RAID 0/1 so I get the performance and > the redundency of the RAID with 2 RAID controllers to handle SCSI failures. > This is if it's in the one box though otherwise I'd have sepearate machines > with the drives and so on.. Just remember that RAID 0 will give you no redundancy at all, all that it offers is striping. If you can wear the performance hit of mirroring across controllers (necessitating software RAID rather than hardware), that'll give you the best redundancy, since you can afford to lose both a controller and a disk. That being said, most of my experience is with Sun hardware and Solaris, but it should apply equally well with PC architecture. -- Andrew Shipton - http://www.careless.net/andrew/ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity."-- Dave Barry -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ADSL, physical installation
Heya Jon, Dont feel left out, I live 15 mins from the city (Hunters Hill) and im not getting it either :( The HH Council is really precious and wont let Optus hang cables either. Bastards. Matta > Anyone have any idea when they are going to be rolling ADSL out to us "poor > people" in the country (Kurrajong Exchange) ?? > > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- Matt Allen Linux/PHP eCommerce Solutions Linux Worx Linux Networking www.linuxworx.com.auConsulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0413 777 771 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ADSL, physical installation
> > > Socket in wall > | > | > | > / \ >/ \ > / \ > / \ > || > FilterADSL MOdem > | > Phone What they do, I believe is bring the ADSL in on the second pair - your phone line (well, most - mine wasn't !!) has 2 pairs, one as a "reserve", which they use for the second phone line / ADSL / whatever... Anyone have any idea when they are going to be rolling ADSL out to us "poor people" in the country (Kurrajong Exchange) ?? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ADSL, physical installation
On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 07:43:00PM +1000, Roland Turner wrote: > A question for those who have actually had this installed: What is used > for a physical interface? > > Looking at Telstra's docs, the interface is described as an "FCC type > 68, 8 pin" connector. What is this? Clearly it's not the usual 605/610 > or modular connector, both of which are 6-pin. Do they install (read > drill holes, insert screws) a new socket, or simply provide an adaptor? > > The question behind all of this is whether the installation will require > addition to or alteration of the existing fixtures, which would in turn > require landlord consent, etc. Nope it's really simple. Two cases lets assume first you don't want to use the phone line you're getting ADSL connected to for Normal phone calls. Then you just throw the touchphone away and plug the line that used to plug into the bottom of the touch phone into the ADSL modem so no work is needed. This is what I had done. Now if you want to use the telephone as well then you need some sort of splitter and you need a filter. Setup is something like this Socket in wall | | | / \ / \ / \ / \ || FilterADSL MOdem | Phone I'm not sure how telstra split the phone line they could either use some sort of splitting dongle. But most likely just replace your existing phone socket for a piggback line socket which has two connections. Although this might not be the case since they didn't rock up to my place with any equipment. So this may require putting another socket on the wall. > > > You are using the shorter version ? 2100 is the 1st gen of > > - Raz > > > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- -- John FerlitoPh: +612 9253 5755 Systems Engineer Fax: +612 9247 5276 Pacific Internet (Aust) Pty Ltd http://www.pacific.net.au <> NASDAQ: PCNTF -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] ADSL, physical installation
A question for those who have actually had this installed: What is used for a physical interface? Looking at Telstra's docs, the interface is described as an "FCC type 68, 8 pin" connector. What is this? Clearly it's not the usual 605/610 or modular connector, both of which are 6-pin. Do they install (read drill holes, insert screws) a new socket, or simply provide an adaptor? The question behind all of this is whether the installation will require addition to or alteration of the existing fixtures, which would in turn require landlord consent, etc. - Raz -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] HDD Failures (Was Linux and Clustering..)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug Stalker) wrote: > How many other people have seen systems that have been working > fine for a very long period of time fail when reboot? And how many people have > lost a redundent RAID array to multiple HDD failure? we've had multiple disks fail at the same time, but not both of a redundant pair (luckily). Disks in general just seem a bit flakey to me. Mind you we've also had a scsi controller die (we didn't believe that number of disks could all die at the same time). This is with Sun and Seagate hardware. Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] DNS segfaulting.. no errors - ARGH!
With symptoms like that I would strongly suspect a hardware error, most likely memory. Either get memory tester such as http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/memtester/, or run several kernel compiles Leon Strong wrote: > Ok, i've got a debian out of the box machine, running a 2.2.16 kernel, > with the latest bind, and the beta bind distributions, both the debian > packages and the source compiled packages are segfaulting after running > for a while. There's nothing appearing in any logs, and i'm at a loss > where to look for more clues as to whats causing the name server to > die. Any suggestions, while it's not a critical nameserver, the fact that > i cant figure out why it's dying is starting to annoy me :( > -- Mark Pearson BSc (Computing) -- Technical and Computer Support Department of Nuclear Medicine, Concord Hospital Hospital Road, Concord, NSW 2137, Australia PH: 61-2-9767 7450 or 61-2-9767 6339 FAX: 61-2-9767 7451 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
