Re: [SLUG] Video Capturing Slug Meetings
quote who="Mehmet Ozdemir" Would the SLUG users/committee members be interested in: Webcasting / Vid Capture(ing) SLUG presentations. We've considered it, and it came up on the list earlier this week, in fact. The real barriers to doing it are equipment. I'm leaning towards sound, as video introduces a whole new level of complication (and possibility for making it suck), so we'd need a recording device, microphones, and someone to coordinate it. I've done this sort of work before, and know the ins and outs, but I no longer have access to equipment and such. If someone's able to do it, YELL LOUDLY NOW. :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- I must be getting old... Buying toothpaste with gel in it is no longer an Absolute Necessity. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Bind and Debian
On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Edward Murphy wrote: Now I ended up having to stop bind on my system as it's causing the Bigpond DNS servers to DOS me :-( I believe the old version was 8.2.2p5-11 and I've now got 8.2.2p7-1. This was the subject of a CERT alert. Yes definitely go to 8.2.2p7. Any new edition windblows machine (2000, ME, etc) will do this. Another great feature from M$ not reading the specs and doing things their own way... tom. Consultant AUSSECPhone: 61 4 1768 2202 339 Blaxland Rd., Ryde NSW 2112 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ...
On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Dean Hamstead wrote: I dont recommend VIA based boards. My gigabyte-ali works well i havd found gigabyte to generally be good in linux. Intel chips are usually ok also Funny, you should say that, I have an AOpen VIA/133 chipset m/b in mine and have had no problems at all - the easiest upgrade ever. I tried a Gigabyte m/b a while ago and had no end to my woes... (I won't be buying more of them for a while). tom. Consultant AUSSECPhone: 61 4 1768 2202 339 Blaxland Rd., Ryde NSW 2112 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Compiling mod_perl into Apache.
Hi guys, Am having a bit of a prob gettting httpd to start again after compiling in mod_perl. Using apache 1.13.2 on SUSE 6.4 mod_perl=1.24 did "perl Makefile.PL, make, make test, make install" ok in mod_perl It of course needed the apache sources which I duly pointed it to and it make with no probs. It created the new httpd binary and I just copied that to /usr/sbin replacing the old version (yes I have a backup). Now I didn't do a make install from the apache source tree as I gather from reading the instructions that the make mod_perl goes into the apache tree and does a ./configure, make for you. Indeed it was traversing that tree as I looked at teh messages that flashed by. The error is: init.d:# ./apache start Starting service httpdSyntax error on line 197 of /etc/httpd/httpd.conf: Invalid command 'LoadModule', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration This line is: IfDefine PHP LoadModule php3_module /usr/lib/apache/libphp3.so /IfDefine IfDefine PHP4 line 197 LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/libphp4.so /IfDefine Do I make install from the apache tree as well as a make install from the mod_perl or what? I gather that it is trying to load modules that arent there or not compiled in. Mike -- Michael Lake Active caver, Linux enthusiast and interested in anything technical. Safety Convenor, Australian Speleological Federation Owner, Speleonics (Australia) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] xircom pcmcia
On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, John Ferlito wrote: I've come across a Xirconm 10/100-Upgradeable pc card, sans snip fit. Does anyone have one of these beasts and have any idea what the upgradeable part actually means? I suspect it is a misnomer and just means that if you plug it into a 10M port it will talk 10M, similarly, ... 100M port ... 100M. I just bought one of these beasts (Xircom 32bit cardbus ethernet 10/100 + modem 56 - CBEM56G-100). The problem I have with it is that it does not see any DHCP replies (driver problem I guess), yet when I give it a fixed IP it works fine... tom. Consultant AUSSECPhone: 61 4 1768 2202 339 Blaxland Rd., Ryde NSW 2112 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Video Capturing Slug Meetings
Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who="Mehmet Ozdemir" Would the SLUG users/committee members be interested in: Webcasting / Vid Capture(ing) SLUG presentations. We've considered it, and it came up on the list earlier this week, in fact. The real barriers to doing it are equipment. I'm leaning towards sound, as video introduces a whole new level of complication (and possibility for making it suck), so we'd need a recording device, microphones, and someone to coordinate it. I've done this sort of work before, and know the ins and outs, but I no longer have access to equipment and such. If someone's able to do it, YELL LOUDLY NOW. :) Maybe we could ask some of the Linux Distro with a Aussie presense for a donation, with a plug on the website stating they purchaed the equipment, By my reckoning all that is needed is: DV Cam =~ $2000.00 Mic = $250 / could audio not be plugged straight into the rooms audio console. DV Card for PC $500.00 Broadcast 2000 = FREE !!! All up around $3000.00 I don't know if the linux companies have loads of cash to burn anymore, but this would be a great resource for everybody. Mehmet Ozdemir -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: PHP License
\begin{Dean Hamstead}
FreeBSD's tcpip stack is a popular thing to take.
ack!
my (undergrad) thesis is to port the freebsd stack to some new
whizzbang research os (Mungi). i'm frantically writing it up now, as
its due this week.
lets just say, the most portable thing about the freebsd stack is its
license..
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Re: [SLUG] Compiling mod_perl into Apache.
Having made an effort to see just how many modules i could compile into apache, by personal record stands at php+ssl+servlets+dav which isnt a bad effort. anyway, mod_perl isnt stable as a DSO. So its best to compile in. in the mod_perl dist file there is a whole bunch of INSTALL.* files giving runs downs on installs with ssl. disregard ssl specific stuff and tell apache to use the "so" module i usually go for "speling" also. let mod_perl configure apache make mod_perl go in to the apache dir and make it also then install it go back into the mod perl dir and install it then untar php go into its dir and point it at your new apache install it will work nicely via dso. I havent tried compiling them both in. if you dont want php just comment out the php stuff. apachectl will quickly tell you if youve missed anything when "start" apache other than thats its just a matter of config files. Dean Michael Lake wrote: Hi guys, Am having a bit of a prob gettting httpd to start again after compiling in mod_perl. Using apache 1.13.2 on SUSE 6.4 mod_perl=1.24 did "perl Makefile.PL, make, make test, make install" ok in mod_perl It of course needed the apache sources which I duly pointed it to and it make with no probs. It created the new httpd binary and I just copied that to /usr/sbin replacing the old version (yes I have a backup). Now I didn't do a make install from the apache source tree as I gather from reading the instructions that the make mod_perl goes into the apache tree and does a ./configure, make for you. Indeed it was traversing that tree as I looked at teh messages that flashed by. The error is: init.d:# ./apache start Starting service httpdSyntax error on line 197 of /etc/httpd/httpd.conf: Invalid command 'LoadModule', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration This line is: IfDefine PHP LoadModule php3_module /usr/lib/apache/libphp3.so /IfDefine IfDefine PHP4 line 197 LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/libphp4.so /IfDefine Do I make install from the apache tree as well as a make install from the mod_perl or what? I gather that it is trying to load modules that arent there or not compiled in. Mike -- Michael Lake Active caver, Linux enthusiast and interested in anything technical. Safety Convenor, Australian Speleological Federation Owner, Speleonics (Australia) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: PHP License
I didnt say it was easy =P
Dean
Angus Lees wrote:
\begin{Dean Hamstead}
FreeBSD's tcpip stack is a popular thing to take.
ack!
my (undergrad) thesis is to port the freebsd stack to some new
whizzbang research os (Mungi). i'm frantically writing it up now, as
its due this week.
lets just say, the most portable thing about the freebsd stack is its
license..
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Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ...
This one time, at band camp, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: i am thinking aroung a PIII 500-800 or so hopefully.. or would an AMD be better. I am not looking for bleading edge so the latest stats from tomshardware dont really help so generally i am looking for real life experiences etc. AMD athlons are dirt cheap now, you could get a gigahertz machine for about $800 (guestimate price). 'course intel chips are cheapish, too (relatively speaking of course). That said, get an athlon with either a Asus k7v or an Abit KA7-100 mobo. They're the slot A kinds, apparently the socket models are back in style too, and legend has it they're better (faster?), so you might consider an Athlon Thunderbird and a socket version of the above mobos. i already have all peripherals etc so i only need a board that is linux compt/happy. the only time i've had trouble with my abit ka7-100 mobo is when i installed a windows 95 partiton to run under wine... it erased the bios. linux has run smoothly on the machine all the time, hasn't crashed yet ;) -- "This is not an attack! It is a pre-emptive retaliation." (o_ ' //\ v_/_ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] xircom pcmcia
Quoting John Ferlito [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've come across a Xirconm 10/100-Upgradeable pc card, sans I have a couple of these units and yes, the dongle is different - you need to order part # 170-0460-003 A from Xircom - and they ain't cheap. Alternatively, you can use the "docking bay" module (part number not handy) that plugs into the modem / enet ports and dispenses with the cables from the card. If any one is interested, I have a couple of these (and I think I have sufficient dongles) for sale. Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ...
This one time, at band camp, Alex Salmon said: just on a personal note where do ppl like buying hardware HT, north rocks or joe blows computer world down the street or straight from the maker joe blow down the street, and a different joe blow every time. 'cept cetustech, i've shopped there twice ;) I won't say what i think of Harris, i know people that work there are on this list. -- "This is not an attack! It is a pre-emptive retaliation." (o_ ' //\ v_/_ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ...
This one time, at band camp, Dean Hamstead said: I dont recommend VIA based boards. My gigabyte-ali works well i havd found gigabyte to generally be good in linux. Have to disagree, my mobo is VIA based and it's smooth as. I've also heard bad stories involving gigabyte mobos ;) Mmm, love that circumstantial evidence. -- "This is not an attack! It is a pre-emptive retaliation." (o_ ' //\ v_/_ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ...
This one time, at band camp, Jeff Waugh said: It's been released (check out Abit's website, which is something silly like abit-usa.com), but I haven't seen any around these parts. Yet. www.abit.com.tw is the master site, iirc (being a taiwanese company and all) -- "This is not an attack! It is a pre-emptive retaliation." (o_ ' //\ v_/_ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Compiling open office (star office)
Has anyone play with open office yet regards compiling. Any words of wisdom because the two things I downloaded do not appear to work together and the instructions are not helpful. Ken -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Are distro's no longer supporting 486's
quote who="Jeff Waugh" Tonight, I've finally got around to setting up my old Compaq 486 as a gateway (instead of the current total overkill P2). Here's my "I got it going!" yell. It works fine, and very smoothly... When you don't use crap or misconfigured hardware. :D Bad SCSI drive and unconfigured ISA network card = no Linux love. Back to 'Linux just works' again. :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux RH6.2 and HP Jet Directs
Steven Kerr wrote on Fri, 24 Nov 2000 What is the best method of utilizing HP Jet Directs (300/500 and Builtins) on a RH 6.2 System. Our leagcy system currently uses approximatly 30 J/Directs, but the old host O/S (DG/UX) was able to see them as termprinters I am aware that I can run them in lpd mode, but is there a way that I can get native RH6 to talk JetDirect language to ports 910x ? I use a couple of HP JetDirect printers around the country in both JetDirect mode and LPD mode. Our Winbloze 95/98/NT boxes talk to them in JetDirect mode and the Win2k / Linux boxes talk LPD regards Steven -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Question from Friday's meeting
Hi all, On Friday evening I asked if anybody knew of an X11 rgb.txt file which had all the usual colour names but only defined 256 or less combinations of red, green and blue. Nobody was able to answer that so I spent a couple of hours over the weekend writing a Python program which reads the rgb.txt file and generates a new file to meet the above requirements. The rgb.txt file works a treat on my laptop. Anyway, here's the program: http://www.zip.com.au/~erikd/Python/rgboptimise Cheers, Erik -- +-+ Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-+ "The worst thing about productivity tools is that there's always something in them that makes you less productive" -- Chris Alfred Dec 15, 1997 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Are distro's no longer supporting 486's
The things I noticed about Kudzu (not neccesarily RedHat 6.2) is that if the ISA card or whatever hardware device is not set to the usual settings then it won't detect it. Eg. Typical network card settings for a NE2000 is alot of the times IO=0x300 IRQ=5 or 10 If you change the hardware IO to 320, I have found Kudzu will not find it weird, yet it's OK on 300. It looks like Kudsu only detects minimal settings or something.. Though I could be wrong but this is what I've noticed on RedHat. thanks, George Vieira Network Administrator http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au PGP Fingerprint : 43DC 92AC 1A82 27B2 E97B 52F1 B60F 301A 38A9 A10C PGP KeyID: 0x38A9A10C -Original Message- From: Jason Rennie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 9:02 AM To: Jeff Waugh Cc: Slug Subject: Re: [SLUG] Are distro's no longer supporting 486's Tonight, I've finally got around to setting up my old Compaq 486 as a gateway (instead of the current total overkill P2). Here's my "I got it going!" yell. It works fine, and very smoothly... When you don't use crap or misconfigured hardware. :D Bad SCSI drive and unconfigured ISA network card = no Linux love. I did notice speaking of no longer supported hardware that redhat 6.2 didn't detect my ISA network card, and as a consequence wouldn't set it up. Well not automaticlly anyway. This is kind of poor in my opinion. Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Are distro's no longer supporting 486's
ISA autodetect is a bad and very dangerous thing. The reason autodetect can be performed with EISA and PCI is because they both enumate connected hardware. ISA doesn't, and is just a raw bus. Autoprobing in ISA address space is bad since you can crash other cards. This is not poor, but is actually VERY sane. +--+ | Crossfire | This message was brought to you | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | on 100% recycled electrons | +--+ - Original Message - From: Jason Rennie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Slug [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Are distro's no longer supporting 486's I did notice speaking of no longer supported hardware that redhat 6.2 didn't detect my ISA network card, and as a consequence wouldn't set it up. Well not automaticlly anyway. This is kind of poor in my opinion. Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] HP JetDirect printers (further info)
Further to my reply re JetDirects. HP have available from their web site (hp.com ??) the file hpwebjet_linux.selfx It is a self extracting server that is accessed using a web browser and does SNMP to all JetDirects that it finds on your defined network. I do know that it works with the port 515 cards very nicely, but I have never tried it with the port 9100 cards, I don't know whether they do SNMP. If you can't find it on the HP site then contact me OL and I will put it on my web site for you (caution 7.1Mb file, 33.6kbps link) -- Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ...
At work we have a whole bunch of Gigabyte Dual P!!! systems and they work ok under LINUX (just used as cluster machines) but some of them have Win2k running on them and I have encountered the following problems. USB will not work. One of the CPU's constantly reports 65%-80% usage when there is very very little happening. So I am not very impressed with them. The VIA chipsets we have are running very well and now the onboard sound is working under LINUX as well. ---Gareth Walters - Original Message - From: "James Wilkinson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ... This one time, at band camp, Dean Hamstead said: I dont recommend VIA based boards. My gigabyte-ali works well i havd found gigabyte to generally be good in linux. Have to disagree, my mobo is VIA based and it's smooth as. I've also heard bad stories involving gigabyte mobos ;) Mmm, love that circumstantial evidence. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ...
If yor running multi-cpu boards youll probably use scsi anyway so chipset isnt such an issue. im on a dual p3 450 right now, gigabyte board with intel chips. supermicro boards work damn well for me also, *pats dual p3 800* Dean Gareth Walters wrote: At work we have a whole bunch of Gigabyte Dual P!!! systems and they work ok under LINUX (just used as cluster machines) but some of them have Win2k running on them and I have encountered the following problems. USB will not work. One of the CPU's constantly reports 65%-80% usage when there is very very little happening. So I am not very impressed with them. The VIA chipsets we have are running very well and now the onboard sound is working under LINUX as well. ---Gareth Walters - Original Message - From: "James Wilkinson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ... This one time, at band camp, Dean Hamstead said: I dont recommend VIA based boards. My gigabyte-ali works well i havd found gigabyte to generally be good in linux. Have to disagree, my mobo is VIA based and it's smooth as. I've also heard bad stories involving gigabyte mobos ;) Mmm, love that circumstantial evidence. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- http://www.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au | Penrith City Council http://www.bong.com.au | BONG LAN Parties [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] email list
Hi any thought who would host a email discussion group for a non-profit org? My year at uni want to have an email list to stay in touch. This is our final year and we are looking for a host for this any suggestions are appreciated Russell --- Russell Davie post:- B. Naturopathy - 4th Year PO Box 5029 Southern Cross University East Lismore, NSW, 2480 Lismore, NSW, Australia Australia Ph: +61 (02) 6629 0229; Mob:0407 702 732 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] email list
http://www.listbot.com/ http://www.egroups.com/ Dean Russell Davie wrote: Hi any thought who would host a email discussion group for a non-profit org? My year at uni want to have an email list to stay in touch. This is our final year and we are looking for a host for this any suggestions are appreciated Russell --- Russell Davie post:- B. Naturopathy - 4th Year PO Box 5029 Southern Cross University East Lismore, NSW, 2480 Lismore, NSW, Australia Australia Ph: +61 (02) 6629 0229; Mob:0407 702 732 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- http://www.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au | Penrith City Council http://www.bong.com.au | BONG LAN Parties [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] DNS/MX secondaries
I must apologise for this. I was one of the protagonists for a co-operative DNS systems between SLUG members but didn't make the meeting. I got as far as Customs House Bar and the next thing I knew it was Saturday. I think a co-operative secondary DNS system would work quite nicely. I guess the next step is to think about how we would structure it. Any thoughts? David wrote: Prior to the last meeting (which sadly I didnt get to), there was talk about secondary cooperatives or some such. Did anything come of that? David. -- Cheers, Craige. -- Apt-get a clue. Apt-get Debian. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ...
I am using a ASUS P3BF and it works great.. so I'd recommend ASUS boards :) On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, tom burkart wrote: On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Dean Hamstead wrote: I dont recommend VIA based boards. My gigabyte-ali works well i havd found gigabyte to generally be good in linux. Intel chips are usually ok also Funny, you should say that, I have an AOpen VIA/133 chipset m/b in mine and have had no problems at all - the easiest upgrade ever. I tried a Gigabyte m/b a while ago and had no end to my woes... (I won't be buying more of them for a while). tom. Consultant AUSSECPhone: 61 4 1768 2202 339 Blaxland Rd., Ryde NSW 2112 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ...
Has ABIT since implemented the BIOS option to enable you to tell the mobo to remember power state? As that is the only thing I think personally I hated about ABIT, is the lack of that function. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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[SLUG] Nautilus review
I read a funny review the other day and thought you guys might like it too http://www.pablotron.org/reviews/nautilus-PR2/ Is anyone using Nautilus? What's it like, should I bother switching to it yet from gmc on my 366 at home? John -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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Re: [SLUG] Nautilus review
On 27 Nov, John Ryland scribbled: - - I read a funny review the other day and thought you guys might like it too - http://www.pablotron.org/reviews/nautilus-PR2/ I love pabs :) he does such great reviews :) - Is anyone using Nautilus? - What's it like, should I bother switching to it yet from gmc on my 366 at - home? await Enlightenment 0.17 where u'll get efm and then you wont have to worry about that :) -- --- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Nautilus review
I used it for a short while to test it out for my boss. It had some nice features (reminded me a bit of MacOs interface) but was too much of memory hog and was not really worth the effort of downloading and installing. ---Gareth Walters - Original Message - From: "John Ryland" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 12:47 PM Subject: [SLUG] Nautilus review I read a funny review the other day and thought you guys might like it too http://www.pablotron.org/reviews/nautilus-PR2/ Is anyone using Nautilus? What's it like, should I bother switching to it yet from gmc on my 366 at home? John -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Nautilus review
quote who="John Ryland" I read a funny review the other day and thought you guys might like it too http://www.pablotron.org/reviews/nautilus-PR2/ That has to be one of the funniest reviews I've read in a long time... Not *quite* what I think, but definately entertaining. It's a worry when people take this sort of stuff seriously though - I wish people who feel the need to complain about pre-release Free Software would either get off their butts and HACK or shut up and use something else. :) Is anyone using Nautilus? I've downloaded, compiled and used PR2... and PR1 before that. What's it like, should I bother switching to it yet from gmc on my 366 at home? Not now, not now! It will only piss you off if you expect it to be top quality software. It's really built on sand at the moment - most of the crucial libraries it uses are changing every day, which results in some serious problems. You still can't run PR2 and Evolution on the same system without awkward hackery because Evolution still uses an older Bonobo. Nautilus will rock, but for entirely different reasons to most of the Unixy software we're used to. Lots of people will hate it, lots will be amazed at the neatness and cleverness of its interface. In the mean time, if you want to play with a cool file manager, try and find a tarball of EFM. There are some really funky UI ideas in it, and it works quite well... for software that was never officially released and has since been stripped out of CVS. ;) I think I have debs lying around in my apt cache if anyone's interested in playing with it. ObLinux.conf.au: Raster's talking about all this sort of stuff, including hardware accelerated canvases, etc. Wacky. - Jeff [ looking sideways at the @trolltech.com email domain... ;) ] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- 100% Pure Slashdot Wisdom: "Source code gives a whole new meaning to free software." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] (no subject)
I hate spam, die spammer die As there is a free call number how can I set up my machine to dial this jerks phone number several hundred times a day?? JOE!!! PS: how can i be a 37337 hacker=BF - Powered by http://www.telstra.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Nautilus review
On 27 Nov, Jeff Waugh scribbled: - quote who="John Ryland" - - I read a funny review the other day and thought you guys might like it too - http://www.pablotron.org/reviews/nautilus-PR2/ - - - That has to be one of the funniest reviews I've read in a long time... Not - *quite* what I think, but definately entertaining. - - It's a worry when people take this sort of stuff seriously though - I wish - people who feel the need to complain about pre-release Free Software would - either get off their butts and HACK or shut up and use something else. :) they do... they use efm :) hehehe and help with it :) - Is anyone using Nautilus? - - - I've downloaded, compiled and used PR2... and PR1 before that. - - - What's it like, should I bother switching to it yet from gmc on my 366 at - home? - - - Not now, not now! It will only piss you off if you expect it to be top - quality software. It's really built on sand at the moment - most of the - crucial libraries it uses are changing every day, which results in some - serious problems. - - You still can't run PR2 and Evolution on the same system without awkward - hackery because Evolution still uses an older Bonobo. - - Nautilus will rock, but for entirely different reasons to most of the Unixy - software we're used to. Lots of people will hate it, lots will be amazed at - the neatness and cleverness of its interface. - - - In the mean time, if you want to play with a cool file manager, try and find - a tarball of EFM. There are some really funky UI ideas in it, and it works - quite well... for software that was never officially released and has since - been stripped out of CVS. ;) it will be back for e 0.17 - we've taken a few lessons we learnt and have "fixed" a chunk of them expect efm back in e 0.17 bigger and better :) - I think I have debs lying around in my apt cache if anyone's interested in - playing with it. ObLinux.conf.au: Raster's talking about all this sort of - stuff, including hardware accelerated canvases, etc. Wacky. yeah - anyone with questions about efm and why we "nuked it" and whate happening and what will be coming along.. you can ske me in janruary... at linux.conf.au :) -- --- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Terminal Emulations
Hi all, I have a customer who uses VT320 emulation and we are trying to configure our software for this and other emulations. I have looked at /etc/terminfo but it's so encrypted that I can't figure what's what key.. We also need to figure out the Linux keyboard layout.. F1-F12 and arrow keys... can anybody assist on what I should be looking for? thanks, George Vieira Network Administrator http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au PGP Fingerprint : 43DC 92AC 1A82 27B2 E97B 52F1 B60F 301A 38A9 A10C PGP KeyID: 0x38A9A10C -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] need help with mysql
Help I have forgotten how to add users to mysql. thanks Kevin -- But let me tell you, the slim lazy Homer you knew is dead. Now I'm a big fat dynamo. -- Homer Simpson King-Size Homer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] an ISP to avoid
avoid AAPT Smartchat. I believe they're in the process of dumping dialup customers anyway onto AOL Australia, so that should give people a hint. In short, some memorable quotes from a "Customer Support Representative, Management Escalations": "The average PC user does not usually use the Linux system, as it is extremely complex." "It requires all of the configurations to be done manually." "AAPT does not offer technical support for customers who use the Linux operating systems. AAPT have never made any premise into the support of customers using any distribution of Linux. Therefore, AAPT cannot be held accountable for any lack of support incurred in this area. Technical support will be given to customers supporting the minimum Smartchat Internet requirements - Operating System = Win 95, 98 or NT, Mac Personal Computer 16 MB RAM 25-35 MB or more free hard disk space 14.4 kbps modem or faster VGA/256 colours CD ROM drive" "Customers ... should understand that Smartchat Technical Support are only able to help with Smartchat Internet difficulties." and so on (spelling/grammer mistakes are hers, not mine). One of my complaints was that tech support staff are clueless and advise rebooting as a first suggestion and don't appear to have been trained in any form of problem analysis, eg. thinking about the problem and what might cause it. The problem I was having was to do with connecting to their access server, the problems were visible manually dialing in with programs like minicom. It wasn't a linux problem but as soon as I mentioned the word "linux" they started trying to palm me off. On the other hand, Iprimus tech support seems good, they knew linux stuff when I rang to get info like their DNS numbers etc cos their setup CD thing only works on M$ so I didn't use it. I chatted with the guy for a few minutes about linux. Only problem is they are too slow for me. I will probably try ihug next (why is ADSL so bloody expensive?!!!). Dave. Fuller story included below: For a few months I have had problems dialing in with my "gateway" machine - it worked perfectly for a year or so then suddenly failed to connect. Anyway lots of mucking around, ringing tech support etc (who are useless by the way, I generally tried to call connect.com.au tech support who are much better but they don't like you calling them directly). Anyway, upshot is we were completely unable to connect for a while (got a temp account at another ISP) and tech support didn't return my phone calls. I wrote a letter to the support manager, no response after a couple of weeks so I stopped paying any AAPT bills (and sent their billing dept a letter saying I'll pay them when the issues I raised in the previous letter are resolved). I then went on holiday for 6 weeks. I get back and there's several bills from them, final demand notices and disconnection notices (I had the phone with them too) and a reply to my letter (funnily enough the phone still works). My main complaints were about clueless tech support staff and not returning phone calls but as happened in the phone conversations, the reply letter glossed over that and concentrated on saying how much they don't support anyone using linux. I will reply to them again in a week or so. I have already changed my phone to another carrier and now begin the search for another ISP. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] need help with mysql
Kevin Saenz wrote:
Help I have forgotten how to add users to mysql.
http://www.woa.com.au/lists/slug/1999/199911/msg00904.html
will help
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[SLUG] Unix ECI withdrawn due to lack of Interest.
For those who (like me) had no idea what ECI is.. Electronic Commerce Interface.. Thats that program that the ATO want you to use to lodge your BAS statements electronically. When I asked why.. They said "Lack of Interest".. so I asked.. "how did you gauge interest?" And they said "from the number of enquiries we received" Which IMHO is a pathetic way of working that out.. since most people are pretty apathetic when it comes to unix/linux support.. and wouldn't even have bothered asking. Anyway.. I've been given a contact to send complaints to.. Now considering this app looks to be just a Java program, with a "Binary" installer.. Why can't they just throw this open to a 3rd party to build/support? Or even (shock horror).. Open Source.. Anyway.. get out your pens and write to :- ESD Operations Manager GPO Box 9990 Sydney NSW 2001 -- Anthony Rumble - Managing Director EverythingLinux.com.au - The Alternative Operating System Store LinuxHelp.com.au - Support,Training,Development,Consulting Phone: 0500 500 368 Direct 02-9712-1799 Fax 02-9712-3977 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] an ISP to avoid
Tel$tra were not much better.. I had problems accessing their mail relay server and I told him that I can reach it from outside but not via the ADSL link. I told him specifically that I tried telnetting to the IP address and it failed. "He suggested that I check my domain suffix.." I just told him that I was trying at the IP address for crying out loud.. He then admitted he's not a techo at all.. No sh%# thanks, George Vieira Network Administrator http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au PGP Fingerprint : 43DC 92AC 1A82 27B2 E97B 52F1 B60F 301A 38A9 A10C PGP KeyID: 0x38A9A10C -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 3:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] an ISP to avoid avoid AAPT Smartchat. I believe they're in the process of dumping dialup customers anyway onto AOL Australia, so that should give people a hint. In short, some memorable quotes from a "Customer Support Representative, Management Escalations": "The average PC user does not usually use the Linux system, as it is extremely complex." "It requires all of the configurations to be done manually." "AAPT does not offer technical support for customers who use the Linux operating systems. AAPT have never made any premise into the support of customers using any distribution of Linux. Therefore, AAPT cannot be held accountable for any lack of support incurred in this area. Technical support will be given to customers supporting the minimum Smartchat Internet requirements - Operating System = Win 95, 98 or NT, Mac Personal Computer 16 MB RAM 25-35 MB or more free hard disk space 14.4 kbps modem or faster VGA/256 colours CD ROM drive" "Customers ... should understand that Smartchat Technical Support are only able to help with Smartchat Internet difficulties." and so on (spelling/grammer mistakes are hers, not mine). One of my complaints was that tech support staff are clueless and advise rebooting as a first suggestion and don't appear to have been trained in any form of problem analysis, eg. thinking about the problem and what might cause it. The problem I was having was to do with connecting to their access server, the problems were visible manually dialing in with programs like minicom. It wasn't a linux problem but as soon as I mentioned the word "linux" they started trying to palm me off. On the other hand, Iprimus tech support seems good, they knew linux stuff when I rang to get info like their DNS numbers etc cos their setup CD thing only works on M$ so I didn't use it. I chatted with the guy for a few minutes about linux. Only problem is they are too slow for me. I will probably try ihug next (why is ADSL so bloody expensive?!!!). Dave. Fuller story included below: For a few months I have had problems dialing in with my "gateway" machine - it worked perfectly for a year or so then suddenly failed to connect. Anyway lots of mucking around, ringing tech support etc (who are useless by the way, I generally tried to call connect.com.au tech support who are much better but they don't like you calling them directly). Anyway, upshot is we were completely unable to connect for a while (got a temp account at another ISP) and tech support didn't return my phone calls. I wrote a letter to the support manager, no response after a couple of weeks so I stopped paying any AAPT bills (and sent their billing dept a letter saying I'll pay them when the issues I raised in the previous letter are resolved). I then went on holiday for 6 weeks. I get back and there's several bills from them, final demand notices and disconnection notices (I had the phone with them too) and a reply to my letter (funnily enough the phone still works). My main complaints were about clueless tech support staff and not returning phone calls but as happened in the phone conversations, the reply letter glossed over that and concentrated on saying how much they don't support anyone using linux. I will reply to them again in a week or so. I have already changed my phone to another carrier and now begin the search for another ISP. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] need help with mysql
On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 01:41:49AM -1000, Kevin Saenz said:
-- Help I have forgotten how to add users to mysql.
$ mysql -uroot -p mysql
Enter password:
Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g.
Your MySQL connection id is 521 to server version: 3.22.32-log
Type 'help' for help.
mysql INSERT INTO user (host, user, password) values ('localhost', 'username',
password('password'));
Query OK, 1 row affected (0.30 sec)
mysql QUIT
---
You'll probably want to specify some privs in there too (desc user), but I prefer to
leave them at the default (all 'N'), and specify privs on a per-user,per-database
basis.. - but for a private server you can probably just set them globally for the
user..
Regards,
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RE: [SLUG] an ISP to avoid
This is a problem throughout the industry at the moment - too many small ISP's - it's getting so that any geek with more than one phone line and a modem can call himself an ISP these days. shameless plug I've been with First Link Internet Services (www.fl.net.au) for about 4 years now and, apart from the usual teething problems when they started up, I've had no problems. Yes, they're small, but the tech support staff (all 2 of them !!) know their O/S's - if they don't know something, they can at least point users in the right direction or find out for them. They are also very responsive to new services required by users (i.e. Microsloth Small Business Server and Linux), and will tailor a package / service at what I consider reasonable rates. /shameless plug When it comes down to tech support, how much does the average Linux user really need - almost without question, the newest of newbies knows more about configuring Linux than 99% of ISP's these days. We have SLUG as a resource (and a damn fine one it is !!). Not only would I recommend staying away from anyone who doesn't support Linux (even unofficially), but I'd stay away from Telstra (we use BigSwamp at work and it's SLOW, and their cable is 4 times slower than Optus@home), UUNET / Compuserve (no technical support of ANY kind, it seems), and Ozemail (we're the biggest, we can be arrogant and not return calls, etc.) It would be nice, but probably a loosing proposition business-wise, to see an ISP who supported LINUX as their client-of-choice, with EvilWare in all its' variants given 2nd (or third) place in the pecking order. Perhaps someone knows of one of these already ? -- Regards, Jon -- "It is irresponsible to connect a Windows machine to the Internet" John Wiltshire - SLUG -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Mail Setup
Can someone point me to the appropriate FAQ for mail setup ? I need the server here (not the gateway machine) to collect my mail from both my and SWMBO's POP accounts, and send any replies to the appropriate SMTP server. I'd like to avoid sendmail if possible...:-) -- Regards, Jon -- "It is irresponsible to connect a Windows machine to the Internet" John Wiltshire - SLUG -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] an ISP to avoid
Not to give anyone specifically a plug but little isps are better in the linux arena. Im on RPI for home and rob is pretty ace (not that i need tech support for linux). I also deal with PNC alot and they are pretty cluey, but im not sure if they will help over the phone, but i dont think they would pull out the cross when linux is mentioned. Zeta (now pacific) were good i hear also. My dealings with them have only been at work and not in a dial up manner. my conclusion? little isps rock! (and read howtos) Dean Dave Fitch wrote: avoid AAPT Smartchat. I believe they're in the process of dumping dialup customers anyway onto AOL Australia, so that should give people a hint. In short, some memorable quotes from a "Customer Support Representative, Management Escalations": "The average PC user does not usually use the Linux system, as it is extremely complex." "It requires all of the configurations to be done manually." "AAPT does not offer technical support for customers who use the Linux operating systems. AAPT have never made any premise into the support of customers using any distribution of Linux. Therefore, AAPT cannot be held accountable for any lack of support incurred in this area. Technical support will be given to customers supporting the minimum Smartchat Internet requirements - Operating System = Win 95, 98 or NT, Mac Personal Computer 16 MB RAM 25-35 MB or more free hard disk space 14.4 kbps modem or faster VGA/256 colours CD ROM drive" "Customers ... should understand that Smartchat Technical Support are only able to help with Smartchat Internet difficulties." and so on (spelling/grammer mistakes are hers, not mine). One of my complaints was that tech support staff are clueless and advise rebooting as a first suggestion and don't appear to have been trained in any form of problem analysis, eg. thinking about the problem and what might cause it. The problem I was having was to do with connecting to their access server, the problems were visible manually dialing in with programs like minicom. It wasn't a linux problem but as soon as I mentioned the word "linux" they started trying to palm me off. On the other hand, Iprimus tech support seems good, they knew linux stuff when I rang to get info like their DNS numbers etc cos their setup CD thing only works on M$ so I didn't use it. I chatted with the guy for a few minutes about linux. Only problem is they are too slow for me. I will probably try ihug next (why is ADSL so bloody expensive?!!!). Dave. Fuller story included below: For a few months I have had problems dialing in with my "gateway" machine - it worked perfectly for a year or so then suddenly failed to connect. Anyway lots of mucking around, ringing tech support etc (who are useless by the way, I generally tried to call connect.com.au tech support who are much better but they don't like you calling them directly). Anyway, upshot is we were completely unable to connect for a while (got a temp account at another ISP) and tech support didn't return my phone calls. I wrote a letter to the support manager, no response after a couple of weeks so I stopped paying any AAPT bills (and sent their billing dept a letter saying I'll pay them when the issues I raised in the previous letter are resolved). I then went on holiday for 6 weeks. I get back and there's several bills from them, final demand notices and disconnection notices (I had the phone with them too) and a reply to my letter (funnily enough the phone still works). My main complaints were about clueless tech support staff and not returning phone calls but as happened in the phone conversations, the reply letter glossed over that and concentrated on saying how much they don't support anyone using linux. I will reply to them again in a week or so. I have already changed my phone to another carrier and now begin the search for another ISP. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- http://www.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au | Penrith City Council http://www.bong.com.au | BONG LAN Parties [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Mail Setup
Is fetchmail what your after? Dean Jon Biddell wrote: Can someone point me to the appropriate FAQ for mail setup ? I need the server here (not the gateway machine) to collect my mail from both my and SWMBO's POP accounts, and send any replies to the appropriate SMTP server. I'd like to avoid sendmail if possible...:-) -- Regards, Jon -- "It is irresponsible to connect a Windows machine to the Internet" John Wiltshire - SLUG -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- http://www.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au | Penrith City Council http://www.bong.com.au | BONG LAN Parties [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] an ISP to avoid
I think there is horror stories about just about every ISP and some people might think an ISP is great where others might not agree at all. So lets stop the ISP bagging here, please. Generally speaking the tech support issue is apparent with all providers, because everyone requires tech support at some stage and very few people are prepared to pay for it, so the people employed with the ISP are (unfortunately too often) underskilled for the job and lack of funding from the ISPs does not improve this at all. Do I have a solution? - NO. Just one piece of advice: Find an ISP you find works OK for you and stick with them. Bernhard Lüder ICQ 26070583 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dave Fitch Sent: Monday, 27 November 2000 15:59 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] an ISP to avoid avoid AAPT Smartchat. I believe they're in the process of dumping dialup customers anyway onto AOL Australia, so that should give people a hint. In short, some memorable quotes from a "Customer Support Representative, Management Escalations": "The average PC user does not usually use the Linux system, as it is extremely complex." "It requires all of the configurations to be done manually." "AAPT does not offer technical support for customers who use the Linux operating systems. AAPT have never made any premise into the support of customers using any distribution of Linux. Therefore, AAPT cannot be held accountable for any lack of support incurred in this area. Technical support will be given to customers supporting the minimum Smartchat Internet requirements - Operating System = Win 95, 98 or NT, Mac Personal Computer 16 MB RAM 25-35 MB or more free hard disk space 14.4 kbps modem or faster VGA/256 colours CD ROM drive" "Customers ... should understand that Smartchat Technical Support are only able to help with Smartchat Internet difficulties." and so on (spelling/grammer mistakes are hers, not mine). One of my complaints was that tech support staff are clueless and advise rebooting as a first suggestion and don't appear to have been trained in any form of problem analysis, eg. thinking about the problem and what might cause it. The problem I was having was to do with connecting to their access server, the problems were visible manually dialing in with programs like minicom. It wasn't a linux problem but as soon as I mentioned the word "linux" they started trying to palm me off. On the other hand, Iprimus tech support seems good, they knew linux stuff when I rang to get info like their DNS numbers etc cos their setup CD thing only works on M$ so I didn't use it. I chatted with the guy for a few minutes about linux. Only problem is they are too slow for me. I will probably try ihug next (why is ADSL so bloody expensive?!!!). Dave. Fuller story included below: For a few months I have had problems dialing in with my "gateway" machine - it worked perfectly for a year or so then suddenly failed to connect. Anyway lots of mucking around, ringing tech support etc (who are useless by the way, I generally tried to call connect.com.au tech support who are much better but they don't like you calling them directly). Anyway, upshot is we were completely unable to connect for a while (got a temp account at another ISP) and tech support didn't return my phone calls. I wrote a letter to the support manager, no response after a couple of weeks so I stopped paying any AAPT bills (and sent their billing dept a letter saying I'll pay them when the issues I raised in the previous letter are resolved). I then went on holiday for 6 weeks. I get back and there's several bills from them, final demand notices and disconnection notices (I had the phone with them too) and a reply to my letter (funnily enough the phone still works). My main complaints were about clueless tech support staff and not returning phone calls but as happened in the phone conversations, the reply letter glossed over that and concentrated on saying how much they don't support anyone using linux. I will reply to them again in a week or so. I have already changed my phone to another carrier and now begin the search for another ISP. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] an ISP to avoid
Jon Biddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not only would I recommend staying away from anyone who doesn't support Linux (even unofficially), but I'd stay away from Telstra (we use BigSwamp at work and it's SLOW, and their cable is 4 times slower than Optus@home), UUNET / Compuserve (no technical support of ANY kind, it seems), and Ozemail (we're the biggest, we can be arrogant and not return calls, etc.) agreed telstra (modem) is slow, and we were with ozemail at work and yes they're the worst I've seen so far. It's bad customer service that really pisses me off. Dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] an ISP to avoid
...and join the TIO scheme/Ltd, or face a hefty fine. -- Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Jon Biddell wrote: This is a problem throughout the industry at the moment - too many small ISP's - it's getting so that any geek with more than one phone line and a modem can call himself an ISP these days. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Nautilus review
On Monday 27 November 2000 14:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: they do... they use efm :) hehehe and help with it :) yeah - anyone with questions about efm and why we "nuked it" and whate happening and what will be coming along.. you can ske me in janruary... at linux.conf.au :) Hi Raster I will be there. I wanted to check out EFM at work (and possibly hack on it) but I was dissappointed to not find it in the CVS repository. (PS Can you please update your web page http://www.enlightenment.org/efm.html to reflect that EFM isn't avaliable to save other people the trouble of retrieving the whole enlightenment CVS only to find it not there). Keep up the good work and hope to see you at linux.conf.au John -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Unix ECI withdrawn due to lack of Interest.
This has been covered on the LINK e-mail list, and I am abstracting from that discussion in what follows. It turns out that the data format is XML, the DTD is public, and the crypto is an established algorithm. The Linux community, or any computing community, could implement the submission software if they chose to. The ATO expect packages like MYOB to generate the XML and send it without the user leaving MYOB. I would consider a letter writing campaign with some care, as the ATO seem to have chosen a reasonable stance: - the protocol is standards-based and is public. - they have released a reference implementation for the platform most used by people when they calculate their taxes. - nothing seems to preclude an implementation on Linux. I think the only thing that we can reasonably ask for is the release of the source code of the reference implementation. Regards, Glen -- Glen Turner Network Engineer (08) 8303 3936 Australian Academic and Research Network [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.aarnet.edu.au/ -- The revolution will not be televised, it will be digitised -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] an ISP to avoid
Dave Fitch wrote:
avoid AAPT Smartchat.
I avoid AAPT full stop.
The sales weasels that occassionally pester us to sign up for various
things engage in fraud. The fact that this has happened repeatedly
around here over an extended period tells me it is a deliberate policy
from higher up.
and so on (spelling/grammer mistakes are hers, not mine).
ummm grammar {:-)
and advise rebooting as a first suggestion
Umm, this is my standard approach with any MS OS.
manager, no response after a couple of weeks so I stopped
paying any AAPT bills (and sent their billing dept a letter
saying I'll pay them when the issues I raised in the previous
letter are resolved).
Paying them was your first mistake. When their first bill turned up here
they were given some origami instructions. Eventually they got the
message that we were not going to pay for a fraudulently processed form
despite how many "government entities they threaten you with".
Hint, they ask you to "Sign to get information" - I didn't but someone
else did.
I'd sign the information forms each times just to cause them trouble,
but as Telstra are stupid, it takes ten days for me to get direct dial
STD back and it is not worth the effort.
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Re: [SLUG] xircom pcmcia
On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 08:18:57PM +1100, tom burkart wrote: see any DHCP replies (driver problem I guess), yet when I give it a fixed IP it works fine... I've had some problems with dhcp clients on pcmcia cards. Pump works OK for me, out of the box, with some dhcp servers, it doesn't work with all servers though. I think its less likely to work with NT dhcp servers. The other one I've played with is dhclient, I think its more likely to work with more dhcp servers, but I found it needed eth0 to exist before it would work. I edited the pcmcia scripts and put "ifconfig eth0 1.1.1.1" just before dhclient gets called and it seems to work OK for me. -- chesty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] an ISP to avoid
Not only would I recommend staying away from anyone who doesn't support Linux (even unofficially), but I'd stay away from Telstra (we use BigSwamp at work and it's SLOW, and their cable is 4 times slower than Optus@home), UUNET / Compuserve (no technical support I must step up to the plate and defend telstra here. I had a dial in through them for a while before i moved over to ADSL, and i have a few friends on telstra cable. Ok the connection speed is capped for cable at around 256KB (from memory) but in all my time with them. The one billing issue i had was sorted, the second lvl tech guys do actually return calls, and there speed had been quite good. Ok they don't support linux, and there tech guys are somewhere between clueless and failed cloning experiment, but they do seem to finally be getting the idea that when i call with a problem it isn't at my end. Also they don't seem to be very picky about what you run on there adsl/cable services provided you dont suck heaps of bandwidth. Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: an ISP to avoid
Hey everyone, I've been reading this thread with interest, and have some comments to make: 1) I don't see what's so bad about Telstra BigPond ADSL. It's nice and quick (for me), I've had no problems, apart from when their Sydney access server died, which kicked everyone off and locked their accounts. I haven't had any problems sending email, receiving email, surfing the Internet, IRC'ing and stuffing around generally. When I connect to the Internet I know that (a) I may get 55K/sec to mirror.aarnet one night and 15K/sec the next night - the vagaries of the Internet, and (b) that shit happens, I don't have a defined SLA with which to bash Telstra about the head with when things go wrong, and that (c) the Internet is unreliable anyway, so I live with it, and work around it. 2) for those people who have yet to read the email etiquette guide, please do so. I am sick and tired of downloading emails where someone makes two lines of comments, and then includes 60+ lines of original message below it (including the slug footer and the original message that that person was replying to). If it's not an essential part of the email, remove the lines. Some people (myself not included thank god) are volume charged for their email and it costs them. I've had my bitch, I'll go back to lurk mode now *smiles* Cheers, -- Rebecca Richards, CCSA CCSE, Unix/Security Consultant, e-Secure Pty Ltd "Secure in a Networked World" Phone: (02) 9438 4984 Fax: (02) 9438 4986 Suite 201, 2-4 Pacific HighwayMobile: 0412 823 206 St Leonards NSW Australia Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ACN 068 798 194 http://www.e-secure.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: an ISP to avoid
On Monday 27 November 2000 17:45, Rebecca Richards wrote: Hey everyone, I've been reading this thread with interest, and have some comments to make: 1) I don't see what's so bad about Telstra BigPond ADSL. It's nice and quick (for me), I agree that it's not so bad. One complaint however is that at the moment all our traffic goes via Melbourne (we are in Brisbane). That's like close to a 4000km trip when we want access a local mirror like mirror.aarnet.edu.au. :P It's a bit stupid but apparently it's only temporary. It's a bit insane actually because I can sometimes access stuff that is on the other side of the planet almost as quick as something that is a few suburbs away. :) John -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
