[SLUG] enabling ntpd through firewall ?

[Voytek]

I'm trying to enable ntpd on RH73, what port do I need to allow in the
ipchains for ntpd ?

syslog says this:

Nov 12 17:41:28 ntpd[15061]: ntpd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Apr  8 06:30:52 EDT
2002  (1)
Nov 12 17:41:28 ntpd: ntpd startup succeeded
Nov 12 17:41:28 ntpd[15061]: precision = 100 usec
Nov 12 17:41:28 ntpd[15061]: kernel time discipline status 0040
Nov 12 17:41:28 ntpd[15061]: frequency initialized 0.000 from
/etc/ntp/drift

but machine's time has not synced as yet, I pressume either my own ipchains
blocks it, or, the external firewall, if it was my ipchains, where would that
show ?



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[SLUG] What is better Debian PPPOE or Roaring Penguin for Debian

[Richard Hayes]

Dear List,

Most instruction for connecting a Linux box to BigPond assume you are using 
Roaring Penguin.

What is the difference and why?

regards,

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Re: [SLUG] limit on subject lenght ?

[Voytek]

** Reply to note from Benno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:12:25 +1100


> If i recall RFC822 correctly there is a physical line limit of about 
> 78 characters. However it is possible to have a longer virtual line, 
> by starting the next line with leading space. The slug mailing list software 
> appears to correctly handle this when it adds the [SLUG] prefix. It seems 
> that maybe your email client doesn't handle this as i assume you only see [SLUG]. 
>  
> I don't see any cutting off in my email client. (Which is mutt.)

thanks, Benno, I guess my email client is at fault, it handles 160 characters
(for SMS messaging) but I guess it doen't handle split lines



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Re: [SLUG] enabling ntpd through firewall ?

[John Clarke]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 05:56:10 +, Voytek wrote:

> I'm trying to enable ntpd on RH73, what port do I need to allow in the
> ipchains for ntpd ?

123 or ntp  - you can use either, the name to port number mapping is in
/etc/services:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ grep -w ntp /etc/services 
ntp 123/tcp
ntp 123/udp # Network Time Protocol


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Re: [SLUG] enabling ntpd through firewall ?

[Martin]

$quoted_author = "Voytek" ;
> 
> but machine's time has not synced as yet, I pressume either my own ipchains
> blocks it, or, the external firewall, if it was my ipchains, where would that
> show ?

try running ntpdate before starting ntpd.

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Re: [SLUG] What is better Debian PPPOE or Roaring Penguin for Debian

[Jeff Waugh]

> Most instruction for connecting a Linux box to BigPond assume you are
> using Roaring Penguin.
> 
> What is the difference and why?

Debian's pppoe package *is* Roaring Penguin. :-)

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Re: [SLUG] enabling ntpd through firewall ?

[Grant Parnell]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, John Clarke wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 05:56:10 +, Voytek wrote:
> 
> > I'm trying to enable ntpd on RH73, what port do I need to allow in the
> > ipchains for ntpd ?
> 
> 123 or ntp  - you can use either, the name to port number mapping is in
> /etc/services:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ grep -w ntp /etc/services 
> ntp 123/tcp
> ntp 123/udp # Network Time Protocol
> 

Closer.. the picture is still incomplete. You have to allow the UDP 
connection FROM port 123 of the nominated NTP server you are referencing. 
As for that, try ntp.big-isp-domain.com.au eg ntp.optus.net.au and I've 
heard you can also use your nearest hop telstra ADSL router.

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Re: [SLUG] What is better Debian PPPOE or Roaring Penguin for Debian

[Grant Parnell]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Richard Hayes wrote:

> Dear List,
> 
> 
> Most instruction for connecting a Linux box to BigPond assume you are using 
> Roaring Penguin.
> 
> What is the difference and why?
> 

I haven't tested this and I don't know what the debian pppoe package 
includes.

The rp-pppoe client is needed because current release pppd & kernel ppp 
modules don't support pppoe. However pppd-2.4.2b3 is available so I 
presume an official release of the pppd user space daemon is happening 
real soon now. Might be a good idea to checkout the newer kernel stuff 
too.

Then again I could be talking out of my arse ;-)

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Re: [SLUG] enabling ntpd through firewall ?

[Chris Deigan]

On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 18:29, Grant Parnell wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, John Clarke wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 05:56:10 +, Voytek wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm trying to enable ntpd on RH73, what port do I need to allow in the
> > > ipchains for ntpd ?
> > 
> > 123 or ntp  - you can use either, the name to port number mapping is in
> > /etc/services:
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ grep -w ntp /etc/services 
> > ntp 123/tcp
> > ntp 123/udp # Network Time Protocol
> > 
> 
> Closer.. the picture is still incomplete. You have to allow the UDP 
> connection FROM port 123 of the nominated NTP server you are referencing. 
> As for that, try ntp.big-isp-domain.com.au eg ntp.optus.net.au and I've 
> heard you can also use your nearest hop telstra ADSL router.

clock.redhat.com and clock2.redhat.com are another two ntp servers.

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[SLUG] 1U rackmount servers?

[Erik de Castro Lopo]

Hi all,

Anyone know of any 1U rackmount servers which are capable of true
lights out managment like some UltraSparc based SUN boxes are? 
These machines allow commands like "power off" AND "power on" at
the serial console. 

TIA,
Erik
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Re: [SLUG] 1U rackmount servers?

[Robert Collins]

On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 20:30, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Anyone know of any 1U rackmount servers which are capable of true
> lights out managment like some UltraSparc based SUN boxes are? 
> These machines allow commands like "power off" AND "power on" at
> the serial console. 

IBM have server management cards that allow this. Personally though,
I've found the combination of an APC network managed power device
(allows 'wall' power on / power off) with a BIOS that allows setting the
power-on state to always on to be effective.

Cheers
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Re: [SLUG] 1U rackmount servers?

[Jeff Waugh]

> Anyone know of any 1U rackmount servers which are capable of true lights
> out managment like some UltraSparc based SUN boxes are?  These machines
> allow commands like "power off" AND "power on" at the serial console. 

Most of the bigco vendors have management ports or cards for this, I know
for sure that Dell, Compaq and IBM do. A potentially more expensive option
is a serial/network accessible UPS or power board...

- Jeff

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Re: [SLUG] enabling ntpd through firewall ?

[Alec Thomas]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 07:32:17PM +1100, Chris Deigan wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 18:29, Grant Parnell wrote:
> > On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, John Clarke wrote:
> > Closer.. the picture is still incomplete. You have to allow the UDP 
> > connection FROM port 123 of the nominated NTP server you are referencing. 
> > As for that, try ntp.big-isp-domain.com.au eg ntp.optus.net.au and I've 
> > heard you can also use your nearest hop telstra ADSL router.
> 
> clock.redhat.com and clock2.redhat.com are another two ntp servers.
> 

Another alternative is the pooled servers at ntp.org:

au.pool.ntp.org
nz.pool.ntp.org
us.pool.ntp.org

etc.

Unfortunately, the AU servers are sorely lacking:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]dig au.pool.ntp.org +short
202.74.170.194

NZ has 4, the US has 15 ... we are pathetic.

Have a look at http://twiki.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/WebHome for more
information.

Regards,
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Re: [SLUG] virus puzzle

[Andrew Cowie]

On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 17:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> No, I have not uncommented the local master = yes line in the smb.conf file.
> I think the default is not to become a master, right?
> 

NO!

[I'm no expert, but that declared assumption made me want to check - I
get myself into trouble all the time that way :)]

>From http://au1.samba.org/samba/docs/man/smb.conf.5.html :

"This option allows nmbd(8) to try and become a local master
browser on a subnet. If set to no then  nmbd will not attempt to
become a local master browser on a subnet and will also lose in
all browsing elections. By default this value is set to yes.
Setting this value to yes doesn't mean that Samba will become
the local master browser on a subnet, just that nmbd will
participate in elections for local master browser.

Setting this value to no will cause nmbd never to become a local
master browser.

Default: local master = yes"

AfC

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Re: [SLUG] Reducing Postmaster Notify msgs from sendmail

[Malcolm V]

On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 08:38, Grant Parnell wrote:
> * Bounce From [EMAIL PROTECTED] To [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> * If [EMAIL PROTECTED] doesen't exist either local postmaster gets it

Err, if [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not exist the bounce email sent from
other.domain would be rejected as per my early comment. The bounce is
not an internally generated one, it is just another email.

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Re: [SLUG] enabling ntpd through firewall ?

[Voytek Eymont]

** Reply to note from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin) Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:18:03 +1100


> try running ntpdate before starting ntpd.

thanks, marty, all

I think the remote f/wall is blocking me, I've allowed ntp in iptables, but,
I keep getting this, I've now asked for port 123 to be opened:

# ntpdate clock.redhat.com
12 Nov 23:32:00 ntpdate[19757]: no server suitable for synchronization found
# ntpdate
12 Nov 23:32:08 ntpdate[19760]: no servers can be used, exiting


# service ipchains status:
..
ACCEPT tcp  -y  0.0.0.0/00.0.0.0/0 * ->   123
..

cat /etc/ntp.conf

restrict default ignore
restrict 127.0.0.1
restrict 203.42.34.0 mask 255.255.255.0 nomodify notrust

server ntp.syd.connect.com.au
server ntp.connect.com.au
server clock2.redhat.com
server clock.redhat.com

restrict 192.189.54.33 nomodify
restrict 192.189.54.17 nomodify
restrict 66.187.224.4 nomodify
restrict 66.187.233.4 nomodify

fudge   127.127.1.0 stratum 10

driftfile /etc/ntp/drift
broadcastdelay  0.008

authenticate no
keys/etc/ntp/keys

(I've just used connect.com.au servers for testing, I'm not on connect system, but, as 
my PC
on dialup was able to get time from these server, I though I'll use them for now)



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Re: [SLUG] Linux Certification

[Ken Foskey]

On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 10:02, Terry Collins wrote:

> Get the message folks - Unless you are a real employer, your messages do
> not count in my books. Nor should they count with anyone else, but that
> is your money and I really don't care.

I really DO recommend people to be employed.  I really DO actually cull
resumes by reading them.  Sorry to disappoint.

> There is only one reason to do any "certification".  That is that it
> will get you job/employment/money.

Yes I am advising that I think a piece of paper gets you past the first
point.  Past that it really is useless.  Sorry but your Novell
certification is now wallpaper.

Rule 1 of interviews if they look at your paper work they are looking
for something to talk about and you have lost the job.

Rule 2 your paperwork gets you the interview.

> Me, I have enough "certification" to wall paper my office.

Me, I have none, including LPI but I have stayed with my company 10
years. According to your comments you want a new job, I can only advise
what is looked for.  What you do with this advice is up to yourself.

> > The LPI is a hard test and it is a good benchmark.
> 
> Seriously, it could only have improved  The public trial was a real
> howler.

Seriously there are are 90% of our resumes now say "I have used Unix /
Linux",  LPI means you are actually serious.  A comment in your resume
means I have booted knoppix at least once.

> > The fact that you
> > must have real experience is important for getting a job but the LPI
> > will guarantee that you have a broad knowledge not a narrow one that you
> > gained from experience.
> 
> It would be the first certification in the world to do that. 

Now this is negative.  I understand it but it really is negative.

Weigh the cost of not having it against the cost of having it.  I did
this for my University degree ($10K after tax) and it came out lacking
so I dropped my course.  I think you would benefit from the reading up
(side benefit) of LPI, the exam is relatively cheap so why not do it. 
(** wait for Geoff to pipe in and say good advice and why haven't you
done it Ken **)

> > Personally I learnt a lot from do the two semesters in Granville TAFE
> > and if I had time I would repeat the course to scrape a lot more out.
> 
> I think you are confusing two things here; the courses run by Geoff
> Robertson at Granville TAFE and LPI Certification.

Yes I have to congratulate Geoff on his efforts as well.

> > It is my opinion that any certification will only get you through the
> > secretaries hands.  "Here cull these resumes, give me only ones with 10+
> > years and look good or a certification."  The job is up to you but you
> > need this to get in the door.
> 
> Well, I want beyond the secretary, because I've decided jobs run like
> that are not worth having. Been there, done that a number of times.
> Working with "certified" people can best be described as "interesting".

The point is that I don't have time to read 100 resumes I get maybe 10,
do you want to be in that pile or not.

> Bottom line; if you are thinking of paying for certification, go to
> http://www.jobnet.com.au or some other employment site and see exactly
> what "certification" is being requested and paid for.

Next dose of reality here.  My company still does not use online
services, we still pay to have our resumes culled by head hunters.  What
the head hunters put up are tempered by their perception of you, they do
not have a clue technically.  I don't condone using head hunters, it
just is.  We hired a Unix person because they had an MCSE as well, go
figure??? so certifications certainly do count.  They are not the whole
picture.

If you are not passing go on your resume with prior certification then
seriously consider investing in professional resume writing not in
certification. This will have a higher return on investment.

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Re: [SLUG] 1U rackmount servers?

[James Gray]

Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
Hi all,

Anyone know of any 1U rackmount servers which are capable of true
lights out managment like some UltraSparc based SUN boxes are? 
These machines allow commands like "power off" AND "power on" at
the serial console. 

TIA,
Erik
Another option (although a little expensive) is a network enabled KVM 
switch.  Belkin make a nice unit that has a web interface.  Whilst this 
doesn't solve the power off/on requirement in itself, it could be used 
with other power management tools to get the same effect with cheaper 
"no brand" 1U boxes.

YMMV.

Cheers,

James

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Re: [SLUG] 1U rackmount servers?

[Matthew Palmer]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 08:00:07AM +1100, James Gray wrote:
> Another option (although a little expensive) is a network enabled KVM 
> switch.  Belkin make a nice unit that has a web interface.  Whilst this 

But we all know that we don't buy any Belkin stuff any more.

http://news.com.com/2100-1039_3-5104863.html?tag=nefd_top

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Re: [SLUG] 1U rackmount servers?

[James Gray]

Matthew Palmer wrote:
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 08:00:07AM +1100, James Gray wrote:

Another option (although a little expensive) is a network enabled KVM 
switch.  Belkin make a nice unit that has a web interface.  Whilst this 


But we all know that we don't buy any Belkin stuff any more.

http://news.com.com/2100-1039_3-5104863.html?tag=nefd_top

- Matt
Quite right.  I also know Sun Microsystems make a SUPERB Network enabled 
KVM (but it costs about as much an E15k!), HP/Compaq make them as well 
and their are a few 3rd party/OEM vendors too.

Personally, if there is no point and money isn't a problem, just buy the 
Sun KVM switch and an E15k.  My services are available to maintain the 
E15k when you get it :P

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RE: [SLUG] enabling ntpd through firewall ?

[Visser, Martin]

I'm not sure what you mean by "pathetic". Australia has a huge number of
NTP servers, especially stratum 2 and 3  (we may even have a few stratum
1's). All the large ISPs will have at least 2 or 3. A large number of
universities also have them. They are out there, but granted it is
sometimes difficult to find them.

Unfortunately the drive to develop "pool.ntp.org" isn't going to happen
unless they engage directly with the prominent NTP providers. (I hadn't
heard of the pool.ntp.org domain until your mail.) It certainly is a
good idea, though they clearly haven't ramped up publicity yet. The lack
of ANY servers listed in the their web site at
http://twiki.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/NTPPoolServers is a bit telling. 

(And the reverse lookup of au.pool.ntp.org as bob.greenwood.wa.edu.au
hardly gives that NTP server any credibility ;-)
 

Martin Visser ,CISSP
Network and Security Consultant 
Technology & Infrastructure - Consulting & Integration
HP Services

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-Original Message-
From: Alec Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2003 9:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SLUG] enabling ntpd through firewall ?

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 07:32:17PM +1100, Chris Deigan wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 18:29, Grant Parnell wrote:
> > On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, John Clarke wrote:
> > Closer.. the picture is still incomplete. You have to allow the UDP 
> > connection FROM port 123 of the nominated NTP server you are
referencing.
> > As for that, try ntp.big-isp-domain.com.au eg ntp.optus.net.au and 
> > I've heard you can also use your nearest hop telstra ADSL router.
> 
> clock.redhat.com and clock2.redhat.com are another two ntp servers.
> 

Another alternative is the pooled servers at ntp.org:

au.pool.ntp.org
nz.pool.ntp.org
us.pool.ntp.org

etc.

Unfortunately, the AU servers are sorely lacking:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]dig au.pool.ntp.org +short
202.74.170.194

NZ has 4, the US has 15 ... we are pathetic.

Have a look at http://twiki.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/WebHome for more
information.

Regards,
Alec

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Re: [SLUG] enabling ntpd through firewall ?

[John Clarke]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 11:39:46 +, Voytek Eymont wrote:

> # service ipchains status:
> ..
> ACCEPT tcp  -y  0.0.0.0/00.0.0.0/0 * ->   123

You need to allow udp too, both incoming and outgoing, and either source
or destination port 123 - ntpdate uses a high source port.  If you ntpd
rather than ntpdate, you only need to allow destination port 123.

Run ntpdate in debug mode (-d), you should see something like this:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ntpdate -d ntp.internode.on.net
13 Nov 10:05:36 ntpdate[10227]: ntpdate [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Apr  8 06:30:53 EDT 
2002 (1)
transmit(203.16.214.199)
receive(203.16.214.199)
transmit(203.16.214.199)
receive(203.16.214.199)
transmit(203.16.214.199)
receive(203.16.214.199)
transmit(203.16.214.199)
receive(203.16.214.199)
transmit(203.16.214.199)
server 203.16.214.199, port 123
stratum 2, precision -20, leap 00, trust 000
refid [128.250.36.2], delay 0.06693, dispersion 0.00031
transmitted 4, in filter 4
reference time:c35d30d0.e4568997  Thu, Nov 13 2003  9:21:04.891
originate timestamp: c35d3b40.971b9569  Thu, Nov 13 2003 10:05:36.590
transmit timestamp:  c35d3b40.9219da9c  Thu, Nov 13 2003 10:05:36.570
filter delay:  0.06958  0.06693  0.06804  0.06853 
 0.0  0.0  0.0  0.0 
filter offset: -0.00349 -0.00263 -0.00257 -0.00195
 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
delay 0.06693, dispersion 0.00031
offset -0.002632

13 Nov 10:05:36 ntpdate[10227]: adjust time server 203.16.214.199 offset -0.002632 
sec

If you don't see the "receive" messages, a firewall is blocking the
packets.  If you log all packets that your firewall blocks, then you can
easily see if it's your firewall that's the problem.


Cheers,

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[SLUG] sendmail rejecting my domain as unresolving, why ?

[Voytek]

following some very worthwile suggestions from sluggers, I've installed Postfix
2.x, after few initial glitches of the 'where do I start?' as well as 'what do I
do with this' type, it all works very well, including anti-uce averaging 75%
REJECTs, and, so far, only one known false positive. So, thanks for the
suggestions and help !

but, perusing my postfix logs, I noticed some reject for my own domain name,
looking further, I see this:

one of the vhosts fwrds mail to a remote isp, the mail has @sbt.net.au sender;

why would a remote sendmail REJECT then ACCEPT 'sbt.net.au' as domain name ?

I've asked on a Postfix list, but was told 'you're rejected by sendmail, ask a
sendmail expert'

as there are some sendmail experts here

..
Nov 11 11:52:35 koala postfix/smtp[18307]: EB93123835F: to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, o
rig_to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=mailhost.snowy.net.au[203.7.159.102], de
lay=23, status=deferred (host mailhost.snowy.net.au[203.7.159.102] said: 451 4.1
8 Domain of sender address [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not resolve (in reply to MAIL
FROM command))

Nov 11 12:23:54 koala postfix/smtp[18581]: EB93123835F: to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, o
rig_to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=mailhost.snowy.net.au[203.7.159.102], de
lay=1902, status=sent (250 2.0.0 hAB1IRjb018339 Message accepted for delivery)

Nov 11 12:23:54 koala postfix/smtp[18581]: EB93123835F: to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, r
elay=mailhost.snowy.net.au[203.7.159.102], delay=1902, status=sent (250 2.0.0 hA
B1IRjb018339 Message accepted for delivery)

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[SLUG] work apparently available yet no-one seems interested

[jimd]

Hi,
I refer to the job set out below, which I found on JobNet.
It has appeared repeatedly over the last few weeks and I am
surprised the advertisers haven't been killed in the rush.
Does anyone know why the job is still there?

 - Jim Donovan



JOBNET - The Career Centre for IT Professionals.


JOB REF:  JN/NH1001- (PLEASE quote this reference number.)
POSITION: Systems Engineer
JOB TYPE: Contract
SKILLS: Our Client is looking for an enthusiastic Linux support engineer fluent with 
Versions 7,8 and 9 to become a member of a efficient and dedicated team.
A successful candidate will able to Build, Configure and maintain Linux
servers and provide solutions to a high standard.
All applicants must be able to perform the following :-
Managing Users
Managing Groups
Configuring disks and file systems
Disk partitioning and physical device nomenclature
Mounting file systems
File system labels
Networking: Key Utilities and Files
Interfaces configuration and monitoring
Network Routing
Monitoring live network connections

Any certification would be a major advantage.

All applicants will be contacted if deemed suitable.

Please forward your resume to Nathan Holt :- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
references will be required to process your application - this is essential.

All resume's sent to Nathan Holt for this position will be read and
considered of other positions if unsuccessful.   

LOCATION: Sydney CBD
DURATION: 3 months Rolling
RATE: Excellent
AGENCY: GAP Consulting Group 
WWW: http://www.gapcg.com.au
CONTACT: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
EMAIL: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
PHONE: 
FAX: 
OPEN TO: Australia/NZ Residents & Working Holiday Visa Applicants
SUBMITTED: 13-NOV-03

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Re: [SLUG] work apparently available yet no-one seems interested

[Brett Fenton]

a. it's from an agency so it's 50/50 as to whether it's a genuine 
placement or a resume collector

b. salary is unquantified, so highly qualified people may be applying 
only to find it's $15/hr thus quickly losing interest

c. for someone very qualified the role is very mundane in the 
generalized description given, anyone with several years of exp isn't at 
face value going to find a lot of meat in it

d. its a short contract so many people have only limited interest

e. maybe it's poorly worded re:requirments and he's received hundreds of 
apps but none meet his internal job spec or are of interest to the 
client, thus the cycle perpetuates with each relisting 

regards
brett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I refer to the job set out below, which I found on JobNet.
It has appeared repeatedly over the last few weeks and I am
surprised the advertisers haven't been killed in the rush.
Does anyone know why the job is still there?
 - Jim Donovan



JOBNET - The Career Centre for IT Professionals.

JOB REF:  JN/NH1001- (PLEASE quote this reference number.)
POSITION: Systems Engineer
JOB TYPE: Contract
SKILLS: Our Client is looking for an enthusiastic Linux support engineer fluent with 
Versions 7,8 and 9 to become a member of a efficient and dedicated team.
A successful candidate will able to Build, Configure and maintain Linux
servers and provide solutions to a high standard.
All applicants must be able to perform the following :-
Managing Users
Managing Groups
Configuring disks and file systems
Disk partitioning and physical device nomenclature
Mounting file systems
File system labels
Networking: Key Utilities and Files
Interfaces configuration and monitoring
Network Routing
Monitoring live network connections
Any certification would be a major advantage.

All applicants will be contacted if deemed suitable.

Please forward your resume to Nathan Holt :- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
references will be required to process your application - this is essential.
All resume's sent to Nathan Holt for this position will be read and
considered of other positions if unsuccessful.   

LOCATION: Sydney CBD
DURATION: 3 months Rolling
RATE: Excellent
AGENCY: GAP Consulting Group 
WWW: http://www.gapcg.com.au
CONTACT: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
EMAIL: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
PHONE: 
FAX: 
OPEN TO: Australia/NZ Residents & Working Holiday Visa Applicants
SUBMITTED: 13-NOV-03

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Re: [SLUG] enabling ntpd through firewall ?

[Jamie Wilkinson]

This one time, at band camp, Chris Deigan wrote:
>clock.redhat.com and clock2.redhat.com are another two ntp servers.

My ntp.conf for my timeservers looks like:

server ntp.saard.net
server ntp.adelaide.edu.au
server ntp.iprolink.co.nz
server time.deakin.edu.au
server ntp.optus.net.au
restrict 202.139.83.40 nomodify noquery notrap noserve
restrict 203.21.37.18 nomodify noquery notrap noserve
restrict 129.127.40.3 nomodify noquery notrap noserve
restrict 203.96.0.18 nomodify noquery notrap noserve
restrict 128.184.1.1 nomodify noquery notrap noserve

for specifying the upstream clocks.

The firewall allows UDP in and out from source port 123 to dest port 123.

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Re: [SLUG] work apparently available yet no-one seems interested

[Ian Wienand]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 11:17:24AM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Linux support engineer fluent with Versions 7,8 and 9 to become a

I don't want to sound like a pedant, but it's not a great start...

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Re: [SLUG] work apparently available yet no-one seems interested

[Jamie Wilkinson]

This one time, at band camp, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I refer to the job set out below, which I found on JobNet.
>It has appeared repeatedly over the last few weeks and I am
>surprised the advertisers haven't been killed in the rush.
>Does anyone know why the job is still there?

Perhaps it's because anyone with nouse would read it and think "they have no
idea what they are talking about".  Linux versions 7, 8, and 9?  Hah.

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Re: [SLUG] work apparently available yet no-one seems interested

[Gonzalo Servat]

On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 11:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
> I refer to the job set out below, which I found on JobNet.
> It has appeared repeatedly over the last few weeks and I am
> surprised the advertisers haven't been killed in the rush.
> Does anyone know why the job is still there?

[..snip..]
> Please forward your resume to Nathan Holt :- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[..snip..]

".au2" ?? Cool! and there I was thinking we only had one Australia!

Regards,
Gonzalo

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[SLUG] Printer Rip

[Lyle Chapman]

Can anyone help?

We have proprietry RIP software for an outdated (and broken printer) 
and unfortunately the software will not run anything but this printer. 
We would like to save the expense and look at an open source option but 
I cannot seem to find any. Does anybody know of RIP software for 
printers in general.

thanks to anyone with any help in this matter,


Lyle Chapman

Pre-Press Supervisor
Torch Publishing Co.
47 Allingham Street, Condell Park 2200, NSW, Australia
612 9795 
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[SLUG] Debian PPPoE

[Richard Hayes]

Dear list,

There are a lot of instructions to configure Roaring Penguin but I can't 
find or work out the setup pppoe instructions.

Any help is gratefully accepted.

 Richard Hayes
Nada Marketing - Australia & UK
2/713 Pacific Hwy Gordon Australia 2072
Ph +(61-2) 9418 4545  Fax +(61-2) 9418 4348   Mob +(61) 0414 618 425

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RE: [SLUG] Debian PPPoE

[Michael Collins]

Hi Richard

You'll find a good 'beginners' article at
http://www.linuxathome.net/pppoe.php . (Be warned though, it is directed
more towards RedHat users)

Hope this helps...

Cheers

Michael

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [SLUG] Debian PPPoE


Dear list,

There are a lot of instructions to configure Roaring Penguin but I can't

find or work out the setup pppoe instructions.

Any help is gratefully accepted.

  Richard Hayes
Nada Marketing - Australia & UK
2/713 Pacific Hwy Gordon Australia 2072

Ph +(61-2) 9418 4545  Fax +(61-2) 9418 4348   Mob +(61) 0414 618 425

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Re: [SLUG] work apparently available yet no-one seems interested

[Terry Collins]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I refer to the job set out below, which I found on JobNet.
> It has appeared repeatedly over the last few weeks and I am
> surprised the advertisers haven't been killed in the rush.
> Does anyone know why the job is still there?

Jim

You must be new to jobnet. No offence intended.

If a job is advertised in the newspaper by a company itself, there is a
good chance that someone really wants to employ someone because
newspaper advertisements cost money.

If the job is advertised in the newspaper by a big agency, it means
close to nothing, because big agencies obtain cheap advertising by
committing to take so many column inches each week. So, occassionally
they have column inches to fill and they advertise non-existent jobs to
fill the space. Also, it gives them resumes for their database.

It goes downhill fast from there.

Internet advertising is basically very cheap or no cost, so there is a
lot of crap (false advertisements).

Agencies place advertisements for the following reasons;
1) they have a position to fill,
2) they might have a position to fill,
3) some company bunny has been pestered and told them they want people
with 
these skills to get the agency off their back,
4) they have no one on the books with those skills, so they collect
resumes,
5) they have no jobs on their book, so they collect resumes for when
they do,
6) to stop other people applying for the position through other
agencies
(apply through them and they sit on your resume
because they have already selected 3 people to put forward).
7) no one has advertised the job for a while, so lets run it.

You will often see an advertisement on Jobnet come out through one
agency one day and four others the next day. Surprise! {:-)

Other funnies of dealing with jobnet;
1) the agency sends you an email saying you've already applied for the
job three times.
2) that job in the CBD has suddenly relocated to Palm Beach,
3) A hot *nix admin job suddenly requires 5 years Win 2003 experience,
4) the list of requirements is two pages long and the job starts a $25K
pa,
5) an entry level IT contract job pays $14/hour,
6) Tertiary qualifications required (MCSE preferred),
7) "That position has closed", but the add runs for two more weeks,
8) "That position has closed and they are interviewing", but the
company
confirms that they are still taking applications,

and on and on.


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Re: [SLUG] Printer Rip

[Terry Collins]

Lyle Chapman wrote:
> 
> Can anyone help?
> 
> We have proprietry RIP software for an outdated (and broken printer)
> and unfortunately the software will not run anything but this printer.
> We would like to save the expense and look at an open source option but
> I cannot seem to find any. Does anybody know of RIP software for
> printers in general.

curiosity question? software and printer?

Have you looked at ghostscript?

What printer(s) are you trying to run?
What functionality do you require?

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Re: [SLUG] enabling ntpd through firewall ?

[John Clarke]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 11:14:02 +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:

> server ntp.saard.net

> restrict 203.21.37.18 nomodify noquery notrap noserve

This has been fixed in the latest version (4.2.0).  You can now use
names in "restrict" :-)


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[SLUG] Perl Training Australia - Welcome to Perl Courses

[Jacinta Richardson]

[This email is being sent with the blessings of the SLUG committee]

G'day SLUG members,

This is a quick reminder that Perl Training Australia is offering our
very popular Welcome to Perl courses in the very near future in Sydney.
Introduction to Perl:   27th - 28th November 2003
Intermediate Per:   5th December 2003

If you are interested in booking a place on either of these courses, or if
you'd like more information please head over to our bookings page:
http://www.perltraining.com.au/bookings.html

Don't forget to mention that you're from SLUG to secure your 5% group
member discount and if you're bringing a couple of friends you'll be
entitled to a further 5% discount as a group booking. 

I look forward to meeting you there!

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Re: [SLUG] Debian PPPoE

[Chris Deigan]

On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 11:42, Richard Hayes wrote:
> There are a lot of instructions to configure Roaring Penguin but I can't 
> find or work out the setup pppoe instructions.

Under debian, as root, run:
pppoeconf

That will set everything up for you, and then to control the connection
use:
To Connect:
pon dsl-provider
To Disconnect:
poff dsl-provider

IIRC, pppoeconf also asks you if you'd like it to start the connection
on startup.

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[SLUG] Automatically processing spamcop returns

[Terry Collins]

He anyone worked out an automatic method for auto processing spamcop
returns?

Preferrably with some discrimination.

Yes, I know they don't like it, but the number is grwoing and I really
don't have the time to do the web page clicky.


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[SLUG] Mondo restore problem

[Peter Vogel]

Knowing just enough about linux to get into trouble, I am trying to
restore a linux installation from a CD made for Mondo restore.

The CD boots okay, and whirs away for a while, then aborts with: 

"Unable to mount some or all of your partitions."

This is the mondo-restore log. 

One thing that looks odd is the partitions are very small, considering
it's a 120GB drive.

I trust that someone out there will immediately spot the problem :-) and
give me a clue what to do.

Thanks

Peter


 first line -
 Successfully mounted dynamic /tmp ramdisk
 find-and-mount-cdrom --- starting
 Trying /dev/hda
 It's not in /dev/hda; I'll keep looking
 Trying /dev/hdb
 It's not in /dev/hdb; I'll keep looking
 Trying /dev/hdc
 It's not in /dev/hdc; I'll keep looking
 Trying /dev/hdd
 /dev/hdd has a CD-ROM in it
 CDROM found at hdd
 Wu-Tang Forever! Oh, um, that is,
 /dev/hdd is where the Mondo CD lives.
 CDROM found and mounted at /dev/hdd
 find-and-mount-cdrom --- leaving (0)
 OK, I am running on a CD-ROM. Good.
 Starting install-additional-tools
 Untarring and softlinking disk #1
 Untarring and softlinking disk #2
 Untarring and softlinking disk #3
lib/modules/2.4.12-xfs/kernel/fs/xfs/xfs.o (4348 KB) restored. 22 slices.
/lib/libc-2.2.5.so (1132 KB) restored. 6 slices.
/lib/libncurses.so.5.2 (248 KB) restored. 2 slices.
/lib/libslang.so.1.4.4 (336 KB) restored. 2 slices.
/usr/bin/gawk (220 KB) restored. 2 slices.
 Hacking softlinks (Zig and Zag style)
 Exiting install-additional-tools
 klogd and syslogd have been started.
 LVM's have been started.
 Running portmap
 Portmap started OK
 Calling post-init 
 mondo-restore found; cool...
 Turning mondo-restore from a hyperlink into an executable
 ---NUKE MODE---
-- Mondo Restore v1.41 -
Backup medium is CD-R[W]
Loading mountlist...
/dev/hda1 / ext3 4134932
/dev/hda5 /var ext3 2071416
/dev/hda6 /mnt/mythtv ext3 33309260
Mountlist loaded successfully.
3 entries in mountlist
Raidtab is very small or non-existent. Ignoring it.
 cp -f /tmp/mountlist.txt /tmp/mountlist.txt.pre-resize 
end of output--
Expanding entries to suit drive /dev/hda (4110 MB)
Disk was 38588 MB; is now 4110 MB; factor = 0.106510
Changing /dev/hda1 from 4134932 KB to 440410 KB
Changing /dev/hda5 from 2071416 KB to 220626 KB
Changing /dev/hda6 from 33309260 KB to 3547762 KB
final_size = 4110 MB
Mountlist adjusted to suit current hard drive(s)
Restoring Automatically
partition_everything() --- starting
Partitioning hard drives  
Partitioning drive /dev/hda
Wiping /dev/hda
Zeroing drive /dev/hda
Device successfully zeroed.
Partitioning device /dev/hda1 (430 MB)
Setting /dev/hda1's type to ext3 (83)
Partition /dev/hda1 created+configured OK
Partitioning device /dev/hda5 (215 MB)
Setting /dev/hda5's type to ext3 (83)
Partition /dev/hda5 created+configured OK
Partitioning device /dev/hda6 (3464 MB)
Vaccum-packing
Partitioning device /dev/hda6 (max size)
Setting /dev/hda6's type to ext3 (83)
Returning from a successful vacuum-pack
Setting /dev/hda6's type to ext3 (83)
Partition /dev/hda6 created+configured OK
Done.
Formatting partitions 
 sh -c 'echo -en "y\ny\ny\n" | mkfs -t ext2 -F -j -q /dev/hda1' 
mke2fs 1.27 (8-Mar-2002)
end of output--
Formatting /dev/hda1 as ext3...OK
 sh -c 'echo -en "y\ny\ny\n" | mkfs -t ext2 -F -j -q /dev/hda5' 
mke2fs 1.27 (8-Mar-2002)
end of output--
Formatting /dev/hda5 as ext3...OK
 sh -c 'echo -en "y\ny\ny\n" | mkfs -t ext2 -F -j -q /dev/hda6' 
mke2fs 1.27 (8-Mar-2002)
end of output--
Formatting /dev/hda6 as ext3...OK
Done.
Mounting devices 
Mounting device /dev/hda1   
mount: fs type ext3 not supported by kernel
Unable to mount device /dev/hda1 (type ext3) at /mnt/RESTORING
Retrying w/o the '-t' switch
mount: fs type ntfs not supported by kernel
Unable to mount device /dev/hda1 (type ext3) at /mnt/RESTORING
Mounting device /dev/hda6   
mount: fs type ext3 not supported by kernel
Unable to mount device /dev/hda6 (type ext3) at /mnt/RESTORING/mnt/mythtv
Retrying w/o the '-t' switch
That's OK. I called mount w/o a filesystem type and it worked fine in the end.
Mounting device /dev/hda5   
mount: fs type ext3 not supported by kernel
Unable to mount device /dev/hda5 (type ext3) at /mnt/RESTORING/var
Retrying w/o the '-t' switch
That's OK. I called mount w/o a filesystem type and it worked fine in the end.
- df -m -
Filesystem   1M-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/rd/0   241014  43% /
/dev/shm34 034   0% /tmp
/dev/hda6 340532  3200   1% /mnt/RESTORING

Re: [SLUG] enabling ntpd through firewall ?

[Christopher Vance]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 10:08:35AM +1100, Visser, Martin wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean by "pathetic". Australia has a huge number of
NTP servers, especially stratum 2 and 3  (we may even have a few stratum
1's). All the large ISPs will have at least 2 or 3. A large number of
universities also have them. They are out there, but granted it is
sometimes difficult to find them.
There were 1's, and I'm sure still are.  They're just not advertised
any more.  (Or not working.)  And if they're not advertised, do you
feel justified using them, or does that constitute 'unapproved access
to a computer', which is an imprisonable offence?  Which hp-run server
in Australia do I have permission to use?
When I traceroute from my (Bigpond, cough) ADSL at home to just about
anywhere, I find that the routers nearest me just about all do ntp.
But would I get warned off them, or prosecuted for using them?  I'm
sure Telstra wouldn't be ecstatic about it, since (to my knowledge)
they have never advertised ntp servers to non-business clients, and
maybe not even then.
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[SLUG] Re: Computerbank moving day (Re: [activities] Re: Draft committee meeting agenda for 5th November)

[Ken Caldwell]

Oops! I seem to have overlooked this so I'll take the opportunity to
post now (see below)



> On Thu, Oct 30, 2003, Mihaly wrote:
> >  This date seems to have general agreement (well, no direct
> >  disagreement) with the Computerbank group. We have a "moving day"
> >  coming up which is just shifting stuff from Blacktown school
> >  classroom back to the main warehouse at Seven Hills.
> > 
> >  We'd appreciate any assistance from interested parties and it gives
> >  some people a chance to have a look around at our premises there to
> >  get an idea about whether you feel it's a good venue.
> 
> Which day is this, do you know? If you haven't already, post details of
> the "moving day" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Computerbank's next activity will take place on this comming Saturday,
November 15th.  We have to move all our stock currently stored at
Blacktown North Public School to the Seven Hills warehouse as the school
needs their classroom back. We will still retain the use of another
classroom but on a shared basis and hence no use as a warehouse.

If anyone would like to help we will meet at the school in Bessemer St.
Blacktown (off Sunnyholt Road) at 9am.  If you can bring a Ute, horse
float or box trailer that would be appreciated but otherwise just turn
up and lend a hand.

cheers,

Ken
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