Re: [SLUG] Any Active Directory LDAP gurus?
What I really need to know sooner rather than later is what data I need to store in our postgresql database. IE what the LDAP schema is. We can work out the other bits later. if you have an AD server you can point an LDAP browser at it and see the structure/schema In terms of making your application an Active Directory server, you need to be on top of DNS, Kerberos and LDAP to have even a chance of getting it to work. Samba 4 has taken years, even with help from MS (eventually) Also would be interested in finding other products (open or not) that do this running on Ubuntu Hardy preferably. not sure exactly what you are trying to do... perhaps if Samba 4 does what you want, you don't need to worry. It should be able to be backended onto your database with some wrangling so perhaps you don't need to do anything - just store your auth info in the database and deal with getting samba 4 to auth to it. If you want some other more detailed discussions, feel free to contact me off list or give me a call. thanks Dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] virtualisation solutions?
We're getting a new box at work to host virtual machines, and I'm trying to figure out what the best virtualisation solution might be. The specs will very likely be a dual quad-core CPU with 32GB RAM, running CentOS. I'd like to have something that: * is FOSS * is easy to manage (I've got other responsibilities and don't want to be bogged down with sysadmin work) * can preferably also run on our Fedora 8 desktops, so we can share VM images * can support a wide variety of guest OSs (especially Linux, Windows and Solaris) Most of my experience is with VMware, but that's proprietary. We've got some Xen experience in the office, but this server will be managed by me and quite frankly I find Xen to be overly complicated. KVM looks very neat, in that it uses Linux as the hypervisor and so doesn't try to be an OS unto itself. It's also Red Hat's preferred virtualisation platform nowadays, which is great since we use a lot of Red Hat and CentOS. Cheers, Sridhar -- Bring choice back to your computer. http://www.linux.org.au/linux -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] virtualisation solutions?
2009/3/18 Mark Walkom markwal...@gmail.com: Well XenServer 5 would do it, but it's not FOSS. Virtualbox *might* if it's Solaris 10 (I haven't gotten 9 working yet), pretty sure the others will work - Windows will and I find it faster on my laptop than on bare metal. Yes, it's Solaris 10. I was under the impression that Virtualbox was focused more on desktop virtualisation and is less geared for servers. Is that incorrect? Xen is pretty powerful, but there is still a lack of good, solid management tools that cover HA, iSCSI integration, replication, migration etc etc. A lack of good management tools is what concerns me. I want to get productive quickly and not have to spend unnecessary time setting up and managing. I don't need zillions of features, but I do want something that's solid and easy to use. Sridhar -- Bring choice back to your computer. http://www.linux.org.au/linux -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] virtualisation solutions?
Well XenServer 5 would do it, but it's not FOSS. Virtualbox *might* if it's Solaris 10 (I haven't gotten 9 working yet), pretty sure the others will work - Windows will and I find it faster on my laptop than on bare metal. Xen is pretty powerful, but there is still a lack of good, solid management tools that cover HA, iSCSI integration, replication, migration etc etc. That is what I have found in my travels. 2009/3/18 Sridhar Dhanapalan srid...@dhanapalan.com We're getting a new box at work to host virtual machines, and I'm trying to figure out what the best virtualisation solution might be. The specs will very likely be a dual quad-core CPU with 32GB RAM, running CentOS. I'd like to have something that: * is FOSS * is easy to manage (I've got other responsibilities and don't want to be bogged down with sysadmin work) * can preferably also run on our Fedora 8 desktops, so we can share VM images * can support a wide variety of guest OSs (especially Linux, Windows and Solaris) Most of my experience is with VMware, but that's proprietary. We've got some Xen experience in the office, but this server will be managed by me and quite frankly I find Xen to be overly complicated. KVM looks very neat, in that it uses Linux as the hypervisor and so doesn't try to be an OS unto itself. It's also Red Hat's preferred virtualisation platform nowadays, which is great since we use a lot of Red Hat and CentOS. Cheers, Sridhar -- Bring choice back to your computer. http://www.linux.org.au/linux -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] virtualisation solutions?
Yes, it's Solaris 10. I was under the impression that Virtualbox was focused more on desktop virtualisation and is less geared for servers. Is that incorrect? They are feeling the lure of data center virtualisation. However Virtualbox is probably not mature enough for system critical applications. Xen is pretty powerful, but there is still a lack of good, solid management tools that cover HA, iSCSI integration, replication, migration etc etc. A lack of good management tools is what concerns me. I want to get productive quickly and not have to spend unnecessary time setting up and managing. I don't need zillions of features, but I do want something that's solid and easy to use. Xen is snapping at VMwares heels, however if you want basics and simplicity, why are you resisting the free VMware server. Granted you cant get at all the source code. And i understand the moral high ground. However, from a solution point of view it is free, its the leader of the pack and unless you are in dire need to hack the source of the virtualisation suite xen vs vmware free is largely the same. VMware tools is now FOSS software, and vmware provides API's for its server component which will allow tight integration. Also its guest machines can easily be transported from servers to desktops etc. Im all about open source, and not settling for 'close enough'. But in terms of my 9-5 often times slipping of my moral high ground just a little, goes a long way to keeping my natural hair color :) Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] virtualisation solutions?
Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: We're getting a new box at work to host virtual machines, and I'm trying to figure out what the best virtualisation solution might be. The specs will very likely be a dual quad-core CPU with 32GB RAM, running CentOS. I'd like to have something that: * is FOSS * is easy to manage (I've got other responsibilities and don't want to be bogged down with sysadmin work) * can preferably also run on our Fedora 8 desktops, so we can share VM images * can support a wide variety of guest OSs (especially Linux, Windows and Solaris) Most of my experience is with VMware, but that's proprietary. We've got some Xen experience in the office, but this server will be managed by me and quite frankly I find Xen to be overly complicated. KVM looks very neat, in that it uses Linux as the hypervisor and so doesn't try to be an OS unto itself. It's also Red Hat's preferred virtualisation platform nowadays, which is great since we use a lot of Red Hat and CentOS. Cheers, Sridhar I've used KVM for a few places quite successfully, Setup out of the box is nice and easy, you can use virt-manager to get a nice pointy-clicky interface to it (at the expense of some of the nifty features like live migration etc) performance seems acceptable, there are paravirtualised drivers for windows out now for both network and disk (as I recall). The latest debian ships with paravirtualised disk and network in the kernel so performance is quite good there, (some fiddling to get it to use it but nothing too drastic). At home I use it on an ubuntu 8.10 server that is also my TV in 6Gb ram quad core machine, It happily handles a 3 core virtual machine with 3.5Gb of ram running a mail server, another one with 350mb of ram as the backup server, a web server and the web server for the accounts machine, both of which use 128mb of ram. All of the small machines are given 2 CPU's, as the work load is fairly bursty. I also tried Xen but gave up because it was just too hard to work with, and its headed closed source these days anyway, well at least the big boys toys are anyway. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] virtualisation solutions?
quote who=Sridhar Dhanapalan We're getting a new box at work to host virtual machines, and I'm trying to figure out what the best virtualisation solution might be. The specs will very likely be a dual quad-core CPU with 32GB RAM, running CentOS. I'd like to have something that: * is FOSS Check. * is easy to manage (I've got other responsibilities and don't want to be bogged down with sysadmin work) Depends on what you mean by manage, but if you're trying to avoid being a part time sysadmin, then something clicky might be best. * can preferably also run on our Fedora 8 desktops, so we can share VM images Check. * can support a wide variety of guest OSs (especially Linux, Windows and Solaris) Check. The answer is VirtualBox. :-) But if you want something nicer, use VMWare Server (free but not Free). - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2010: Wellington, NZ http://www.penguinsvisiting.org.nz/ NASCAR is not race per se. It's just a contest about who can turn left the best. - Unknown -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: slug Digest, Vol 38, Issue 25
Why not closed source VMWare, which is the pretty much been there from the beginning? You've got VMWare Server, which is free and will run on top of CentOS and/or Fedora. You also have an option of ESXi, which is also free and which I would recommend over VMWare Server due to it's preformance superiority. We were running about 10 or so VMWare Servers until I've tested ESXi. Now everything is slowly moving over to ESXi. If you will decide to go with ESXi though, hold the purchase of the new server and make sure it's compatible first. Andre -- Forwarded message -- From: Sridhar Dhanapalan srid...@dhanapalan.com To: SLUG slug@slug.org.au Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:13:52 +1100 Subject: [SLUG] virtualisation solutions? We're getting a new box at work to host virtual machines, and I'm trying to figure out what the best virtualisation solution might be. The specs will very likely be a dual quad-core CPU with 32GB RAM, running CentOS. I'd like to have something that: * is FOSS * is easy to manage (I've got other responsibilities and don't want to be bogged down with sysadmin work) * can preferably also run on our Fedora 8 desktops, so we can share VM images * can support a wide variety of guest OSs (especially Linux, Windows and Solaris) Most of my experience is with VMware, but that's proprietary. We've got some Xen experience in the office, but this server will be managed by me and quite frankly I find Xen to be overly complicated. KVM looks very neat, in that it uses Linux as the hypervisor and so doesn't try to be an OS unto itself. It's also Red Hat's preferred virtualisation platform nowadays, which is great since we use a lot of Red Hat and CentOS. Cheers, Sridhar -- Bring choice back to your computer. http://www.linux.org.au/linux -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] virtualisation solutions?
2009/3/18 Jeff Waugh j...@perkypants.org: quote who=Sridhar Dhanapalan * is easy to manage (I've got other responsibilities and don't want to be bogged down with sysadmin work) Depends on what you mean by manage, but if you're trying to avoid being a part time sysadmin, then something clicky might be best. I have no aversion to the CLI. I spend half my time in there and I'm quite fond of it for some things. I often type vim keybindings into GUI apps without thinking :) Some admin is fine, but to a large degree I'd want it to 'just work' with minimal intervention. I suppose I'm looking for something that's 'easy to manage' but not necessarily 'dumb' :) But if you want something nicer, use VMWare Server (free but not Free). I have used VMware server a fair bit, and in fact I upgraded to version 2 today and was quite impressed. I would prefer something FOSS, though. Virtualbox has always struck me as a desktop solution, although I haven't used it much so I might be wrong. It is easy to manage remotely? Can I bring up VM GUIs over the network? -- Bring choice back to your computer. http://www.linux.org.au/linux -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] virtualisation solutions?
Sridhar Dhanapalan srid...@dhanapalan.com writes: 2009/3/18 Mark Walkom markwal...@gmail.com: Well XenServer 5 would do it, but it's not FOSS. Virtualbox *might* if it's Solaris 10 (I haven't gotten 9 working yet), pretty sure the others will work - Windows will and I find it faster on my laptop than on bare metal. Yes, it's Solaris 10. I was under the impression that Virtualbox was focused more on desktop virtualisation and is less geared for servers. Is that incorrect? Xen is pretty powerful, but there is still a lack of good, solid management tools that cover HA, iSCSI integration, replication, migration etc etc. A lack of good management tools is what concerns me. Your choices, then, are buy something or buy something; none of the free options have much by way of admin tools, and nothing much better than VMware. I want to get productive quickly and not have to spend unnecessary time setting up and managing. I don't need zillions of features, but I do want something that's solid and easy to use. KVM with libvirt does a respectable job, and is the preferred solution for RH these days. It also has good support on Ubuntu (preferred solution), Debian and SuSE. Plus, as you noted earlier, KVM takes a good approach to the issues around virtualization, although it does require sufficiently advanced hardware — VMX or SVM support on the CPU. It can, now, also take advantage of things like PCIe virtualization hardware to pass directly through hardware. The weakest point for it is paravirtualized drivers for non-free operating systems, of which there are basically zero good choices. The e1000 NIC emulation, however, is pretty robust, and generally performs pretty close to a PV solution. Finally, libvirt will also manage Xen and, in theory[1], other virtualization tools, so if you introduced Xen or whatever it could be managed the same way. Anyway, I currently use KVM and VMWare Server 2, and would vastly prefer the former everywhere — even though it has been more of a pain to manage, in some ways, than the VMWare product. It required manual XML configuration file editing, or other low level bypassing the GUI, but at least it didn't incomprehensibly stop working until completely removed (by hand) and reinstalled, unlike VMWare. Twice. Regards, Daniel Footnotes: [1] ...as in, I don't believe it talks to anything else, but it could if someone wrote the code to integrate it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Any Active Directory LDAP gurus?
For a perspective of OpenLDAP, OpenSSL, Digest-MD5(Cyrus-SASL), and Kerberos5(GSSAPI) all integrated into one, you may check this web site http://sites.google.com/site/openldaptutorial/Home I have even a script to enable a setup of Kerberized OpenLDAP on Fedora 10. Let me know if you want it. I will email the script. With this script you can setup in no time. The time consuming part is to understand how the bits and pieces hang together. One observation on OpenLDAP. OpenLDAP changes a number of options during each Version. Some of these changes are 'brutal'. Even then OpenLDAP is fast and simple to maintain once you have it going. Another observation, OpenLDAP is ideal for Single Sign On across many OS Platforms mainly due to ease of replication and/or mirroring. The most important point, OpenLDAP is open source as well as the other frameworks you can integrate with it, like OpenSSL, Oracle DB(formerly Sleepy Cat), Cyrus-SASL, and Kerberos5(MIT or Heimdal). Samba works well with it. On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:43 PM, David Kempe d...@sol1.com.au wrote: What I really need to know sooner rather than later is what data I need to store in our postgresql database. IE what the LDAP schema is. We can work out the other bits later. if you have an AD server you can point an LDAP browser at it and see the structure/schema In terms of making your application an Active Directory server, you need to be on top of DNS, Kerberos and LDAP to have even a chance of getting it to work. Samba 4 has taken years, even with help from MS (eventually) Also would be interested in finding other products (open or not) that do this running on Ubuntu Hardy preferably. not sure exactly what you are trying to do... perhaps if Samba 4 does what you want, you don't need to worry. It should be able to be backended onto your database with some wrangling so perhaps you don't need to do anything - just store your auth info in the database and deal with getting samba 4 to auth to it. If you want some other more detailed discussions, feel free to contact me off list or give me a call. thanks Dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] virtualisation solutions (was Re: slug Digest, Vol 38, Issue 25)
Andre Kolodochka wrote: Why not closed source VMWare, which is the pretty much been there from the beginning? Because when something goes wrong you can't hack the source code to fix it. I mess about quite a bit with qemu and yes, I have at times hacked about it its source code. Erik -- - Erik de Castro Lopo - The plural of anecdotes is not data. -- Lee Revell on LAD mailing list -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] What is the status of the Tor project?
I have just installed installed Tor in Firefox using the Ubuntu tor and tor-button packages. When I run the check it fails even though the tor and the privoxy daemons are running. It tries to reach check.torproject.org but the DNS is not resolved; in fact that domain name is a CNAME for null.lostinthenoise.net which is what is not resolving. Any clues out there? Howard -- Howard Lowndes lan...@lannet.com.au LANNet Computing Associates -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] virtualisation solutions?
Dean Hamstead d...@fragfest.com.au writes: [...] Xen is snapping at VMwares heels, however if you want basics and simplicity, why are you resisting the free VMware server. Respectfully, VMware server no longer really qualifies as simple given that the dependency list for basic management now includes Java, a Java application server, a Firefox plugin, binary-only components included in that plugin, an AJAX web application, and the basic server stuff. Having had the experience of failure in many of those components I can't agree that VMWare server is any longer simple — even though version 1 definitely was. Failures: - firefox plugin binary components, not available for MacOS-X, check. - Java stack randomly crashing, check. - Java application server suddenly failing to respond after a week of operation, and only coming back to life after uninstalling, manually deleting the things it didn't delete, and reinstalling, check. - AJAX web application suffering race conditions that cause it to randomly log you out, check. Regards, Daniel OK, maybe I am just a tiny bit bitter about that experience. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] What is the status of the Tor project?
Howard Lowndes lan...@lannet.com.au writes: I have just installed installed Tor in Firefox using the Ubuntu tor and tor-button packages. Ah. The Ubuntu tor packages make the upstream developers cry, because they are not up to date or working correctly. The recommended solution is to visit the tor project itself and install what they provide rather than using the distribution option. Beyond know that I have never used the tool, so I can't comment further. I am curious, though, why you want to use Tor at all? Regards, Daniel Naturally, I imagine that if you have a real need for it you can't tell me why. :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] virtualisation solutions?
On Wednesday 18 March 2009 21:19:08 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: Well XenServer 5 would do it, but it's not FOSS. Virtualbox *might* if it's Solaris 10 (I haven't gotten 9 working yet), pretty sure the others will work - Windows will and I find it faster on my laptop than on bare metal. Yes, it's Solaris 10. I was under the impression that Virtualbox was focused more on desktop virtualisation and is less geared for servers. Is that incorrect? Xen is pretty powerful, but there is still a lack of good, solid management tools that cover HA, iSCSI integration, replication, migration etc etc. A lack of good management tools is what concerns me. I want to get productive quickly and not have to spend unnecessary time setting up and managing. I don't need zillions of features, but I do want something that's solid and easy to use. I have not been able to get VMWARE to keep time on my dual AMDs despite trying all the solutions I could find. (Guest loses 5min /hour !) VirtualBox works a treat for me. Used to was that the network setup to run as a server was hard-work, but is now as easy as VMWARE. Despite making progress in this area, VirtualBox does not like tickless or 1000Hz kernels. I recompile my CentOS kernels to use 100Hz and the host clock rate drops to Idle. Xp, ubuntu and suse guests seem to be fine with no fiddling. So I see no disadvantages in VB as a server. My servers all run an X + GUI for admin when you want, heck I even have LTSP Thin Clients using gPXE on a few MB disk, but network boot using PXE is a dream (achieved by some but oh so messy) 'Cause I want USB (and cause I'm pragmatic) I use only the sun version not the FOSS one. Jaames -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] virtualisation solutions?
2009/3/19 jam j...@tigger.ws: I have not been able to get VMWARE to keep time on my dual AMDs despite trying all the solutions I could find. (Guest loses 5min /hour !) I vaguely remember a long time ago doing some rtc pokery to get this going. An alternative would be to frequently sync to an ntp server. VirtualBox works a treat for me. Used to was that the network setup to run as a server was hard-work, but is now as easy as VMWARE. It still looks like having proper network bridging (so the VMs are directly on the network just like any other host) is a pain in the bum. The solutions I've seen involve performing some arcane rituals with brctl and co. VMware Server 1 worked perfectly in this regard. I still can't get VMware Server 2 VMs to work in bridged mode. -- Bring choice back to your computer. http://www.linux.org.au/linux -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] mutt and imap folder hooks?
I'm trying to set mutt folder hooks on an IMAP folder, and I'm not having much luck. I haven't been able to google up any examples. For example: folder-hook . set from=so...@foo.com folder-hook imaps://my.mailserver.net/INBOX/blah set from=so...@bar.com Anyone got any ideas why this is wrong, or got a working example? Thanks, Sonia. signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: [chat] Version control
* Alan L Tyree a...@austlii.edu.au [2009-03-18 11:55:51 +1100]: Looking for some advice. I have used RCS version control for writing LaTeX documents for some time, but am looking at the advantages of using a distributed version control system. Is there any reason why you want to use a *distributed* VCS? For personal stuff it's probably overkill, and using a centralised VCS will make your life easier. In which case use Subversion. Sonia. signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] mutt and imap folder hooks?
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:43:00AM +1100, Sonia Hamilton wrote: I'm trying to set mutt folder hooks on an IMAP folder, and I'm not having much luck. I haven't been able to google up any examples. For example: folder-hook . set from=so...@foo.com folder-hook imaps://my.mailserver.net/INBOX/blah set from=so...@bar.com try folder-hook . set from=so...@foo.com folder-hook imaps://my.mailserver.net/INBOX/blah set from=so...@bar.com Anyone got any ideas why this is wrong, or got a working example? Thanks, Sonia. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- I'm thrilled to be here in the bread basket of America because it gives me a chance to remind our fellow citizens that we have an advantage here in America -- we can feed ourselves. - George W. Bush 08/23/2002 Stockton, CA signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] virtualisation solutions?
* Daniel Pittman dan...@rimspace.net [2009-03-19 10:22:50 +1100]: Respectfully, VMware server no longer really qualifies as simple given that the dependency list for basic management now includes Java, a Java application server, a Firefox plugin, binary-only components included in that plugin, an AJAX web application, and the basic server stuff. vmrun, vmware-cmd solves most of these problems. signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] virtualisation solutions?
Sridhar Dhanapalan srid...@dhanapalan.com writes: 2009/3/19 jam j...@tigger.ws: I have not been able to get VMWARE to keep time on my dual AMDs despite trying all the solutions I could find. (Guest loses 5min /hour !) I vaguely remember a long time ago doing some rtc pokery to get this going. An alternative would be to frequently sync to an ntp server. That is what we refer to as a losing strategy: running NTP inside a VMWare VM, or pretty much any VM, is going to make your life *MORE* miserable, not less. NTP requires a whole bunch of things to work correctly, and a VM simply cannot deliver them. Just use the host hardware clock, or a real paravirtualized time source.[1] VirtualBox works a treat for me. Used to was that the network setup to run as a server was hard-work, but is now as easy as VMWARE. It still looks like having proper network bridging (so the VMs are directly on the network just like any other host) is a pain in the bum. The solutions I've seen involve performing some arcane rituals with brctl and co. Configuring a bridge with brctl should be trivial on any sensible distribution. Seriously, if you need software bridging it shouldn't be harder than just defining a software bridge and adding the interface. Regards, Daniel Footnotes: [1] This implies, sadly, not VMWare. Ah, well. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: [chat] Version control
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:46:49AM +1100, Sonia Hamilton wrote: * Alan L Tyree a...@austlii.edu.au [2009-03-18 11:55:51 +1100]: Looking for some advice. I have used RCS version control for writing LaTeX documents for some time, but am looking at the advantages of using a distributed version control system. Is there any reason why you want to use a *distributed* VCS? For personal stuff it's probably overkill, and using a centralised VCS will make your life easier. In which case use Subversion. I would disagree on that point. Even in cases where something isn't going to be distributed I would still prefer bzr over svn any day of the week. I assume the same could be said for git and hg users. The newer tools tend to fix some of the old painful problems even when used in a non DVCS fashion. Also a lot of us work on more than one machine these days. So even though you are writing your thesis for instance it's nice to be able to use it on multiple machines and branch it to try new ideas. While VCSs do tend themselves to these processes, DVCSs tend to do a much better job. Especially when it somes to merging. Well thats MHO anyway. Cheers, -- John Bloghttp://www.inodes.org/blog OLPC Friends http://olpcfriends.org -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: [chat] Version control
On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 11:46 +1100, Sonia Hamilton wrote: * Alan L Tyree a...@austlii.edu.au [2009-03-18 11:55:51 +1100]: Looking for some advice. I have used RCS version control for writing LaTeX documents for some time, but am looking at the advantages of using a distributed version control system. Is there any reason why you want to use a *distributed* VCS? For personal stuff it's probably overkill, and using a centralised VCS will make your life easier. In which case use Subversion. Whoa there Tonto. Using *nearly* any DVCS is simpler for personal use than using a centralised client-server system like svn. -Rob signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] mutt and imap folder hooks?
* Alex Samad a...@samad.com.au [2009-03-19 11:47:13 +1100]: folder-hook . set from=so...@foo.com folder-hook imaps://my.mailserver.net/INBOX/blah set from=so...@bar.com try folder-hook . set from=so...@foo.com folder-hook imaps://my.mailserver.net/INBOX/blah set from=so...@bar.com Legend! - I combined single quotes with a regex: folder-hook . 'set from=so...@foo.com' folder-hook '.*blah' 'set from=so...@bar.com' Sonia. signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: [chat] Version control
On 19 Mar 2009, John Ferlito wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:46:49AM +1100, Sonia Hamilton wrote: * Alan L Tyree a...@austlii.edu.au [2009-03-18 11:55:51 +1100]: Looking for some advice. I have used RCS version control for writing LaTeX documents for some time, but am looking at the advantages of using a distributed version control system. Is there any reason why you want to use a *distributed* VCS? For personal stuff it's probably overkill, and using a centralised VCS will make your life easier. In which case use Subversion. I would disagree on that point. Even in cases where something isn't going to be distributed I would still prefer bzr over svn any day of the week. I assume the same could be said for git and hg users. e.g. less hassle to just start using it: $ cd ~/stuff $ bzr init $ bzr add $ bzr commit -m initial import. instead of: $ svnadmin create ~/svn $ svn mkdir -m make stuff file://~/svn/stuff/ $ svn co ~/svn/stuff ~/tmp/stuff $ cd ~/stuff $ mv ~/tmp/stuff/.svn . $ svn add $ svn commit -m initial import. -- -rob -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] virtualisation solutions?
On Thursday 19 March 2009 10:00:05 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: I have not been able to get VMWARE to keep time on my dual AMDs despite trying all the solutions I could find. (Guest loses 5min /hour !) I vaguely remember a long time ago doing some rtc pokery to get this going. An alternative would be to frequently sync to an ntp server. That is what we refer to as a losing strategy: running NTP inside a VMWare VM, or pretty much any VM, is going to make your life *MORE* miserable, not less. NTP requires a whole bunch of things to work correctly, and a VM simply cannot deliver them. Just use the host hardware clock, or a real paravirtualized time source.[1] Point being on this sort of hardware (dual AMD) VMWARE fails miserably. VirtualBox works a treat for me. Used to was that the network setup to run as a server was hard-work, but is now as easy as VMWARE. It still looks like having proper network bridging (so the VMs are directly on the network just like any other host) is a pain in the bum. The solutions I've seen involve performing some arcane rituals with brctl and co. Configuring a bridge with brctl should be trivial on any sensible distribution. Seriously, if you need software bridging it shouldn't be harder than just defining a software bridge and adding the interface. Easy as it was (and was quite, but not very easy due to host problems eg setup 6 bridged interfaces and only 3 are created etc etc) the need to bridge is removed (this year releases) James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: [chat] Version control
* Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net [2009-03-19 12:02:41 +1100]: On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 11:46 +1100, Sonia Hamilton wrote: Is there any reason why you want to use a *distributed* VCS? For personal stuff it's probably overkill, and using a centralised VCS will make your life easier. In which case use Subversion. Whoa there Tonto. Using *nearly* any DVCS is simpler for personal use than using a centralised client-server system like svn. Why? I'm still learning git, but one of the things I found annoying was that I need to commit to the local repo, then merge my changes up my central git repo, then commit my changes on the central git repo. (Maybe I'm doing it the wrong way, I'm only up to page 2 of the manual). Whereas with a centralised VCS check in only takes one step. However I can see the advantages mentioned by John Ferlito of better branching in DVCS's. And of course if you've regularly got limited connectivity, a DVCS is the only way to go. PS You might want to lookup what tonto means [1] before you go around calling people it. It was a term of disrespect for Amerindians on the US/Mexican border in the 1800's. At least be grammatically correct, and call me tonta :-p [1] http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/tonto signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: [chat] Version control
On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 12:29 +1100, Sonia Hamilton wrote: * Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net [2009-03-19 12:02:41 +1100]: On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 11:46 +1100, Sonia Hamilton wrote: Is there any reason why you want to use a *distributed* VCS? For personal stuff it's probably overkill, and using a centralised VCS will make your life easier. In which case use Subversion. Whoa there Tonto. Using *nearly* any DVCS is simpler for personal use than using a centralised client-server system like svn. Why? I'm still learning git, but one of the things I found annoying was that I need to commit to the local repo, then merge my changes up my central git repo, then commit my changes on the central git repo. (Maybe I'm doing it the wrong way, I'm only up to page 2 of the manual). Whereas with a centralised VCS check in only takes one step. You are doing it wrong; you're learning git :). In bzr it can be one step (if you do a checkout, like in svn). However, one of the main things common to most DVCS is that you don't _need_ a central repository, you simply have one repo which you can push places to back it up. However I can see the advantages mentioned by John Ferlito of better branching in DVCS's. And of course if you've regularly got limited connectivity, a DVCS is the only way to go. PS You might want to lookup what tonto means [1] before you go around calling people it. It was a term of disrespect for Amerindians on the US/Mexican border in the 1800's. At least be grammatically correct, and call me tonta :-p [1] http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/tonto I was (mis)quoting the Lone Ranger, I thought. -Rob signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] virtualisation solutions?
quote who=Sridhar Dhanapalan It still looks like having proper network bridging (so the VMs are directly on the network just like any other host) is a pain in the bum. The solutions I've seen involve performing some arcane rituals with brctl and co. Bridging is brain-meltingly simple on Debian-based systems. Quick example of /etc/network/interfaces with a single bridge set up: auto br0 iface br0 inet static address 192.168.10.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.10.1 bridge_ports eth0 eth1 eth2 ^ Only *ONE* extra line to say sudo make me a bridge, xkcd-style ;-) (There are additional parameters you can add if you want to, but they're all optional.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2010: Wellington, NZ http://www.penguinsvisiting.org.nz/ The postmodern version is: If all you have is duct tape, everything starts to look like a duct. Right. When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct? - Larry Wall -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: [chat] Version control
Sonia Hamilton so...@snowfrog.net writes: * Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net [2009-03-19 12:02:41 +1100]: On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 11:46 +1100, Sonia Hamilton wrote: Is there any reason why you want to use a *distributed* VCS? For personal stuff it's probably overkill, and using a centralised VCS will make your life easier. In which case use Subversion. Whoa there Tonto. Using *nearly* any DVCS is simpler for personal use than using a centralised client-server system like svn. Why? I'm still learning git, but one of the things I found annoying was that I need to commit to the local repo, then merge my changes up my central git repo, then commit my changes on the central git repo. That implies that you have changes in the central repository that you need to merge... (Maybe I'm doing it the wrong way, I'm only up to page 2 of the manual). Whereas with a centralised VCS check in only takes one step. ...while this doesn't. At least, there are the two of the same three steps with Subversion in the case of changes in the upstream repository: 1. Try to commit (or already know that you need to merge.) 2. Merge changes from the central repository. 3. Commit your merged changes to the central repository. In the trivial case git, like most DVCS tools, is a two step process: 1. Local commit (repeat as desired) 2. push to central repository. Anyway, in the general case ... However I can see the advantages mentioned by John Ferlito of better branching in DVCS's. The key advantage that attracts me is any ^W better merging support from the tool; without that life is, as they quote goes, pain. With git that means that I can interact with changes in the upstream repository[1] without having to think very hard: git handles merging them during the commit process without drama, very much unlike Subversion did. And of course if you've regularly got limited connectivity, a DVCS is the only way to go. *nod* I also find that if you need to make changes in two or more locations a DVCS usually saves both time and trouble, through merging and/or easier replication of changes. Regards, Daniel Footnotes: [1] Typically Subversion, since my employer uses that for their VCS, and I find the benefits of 'git svn' substantially outweigh the costs of using a different tool. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] virtualisation solutions?
Sonia Hamilton so...@snowfrog.net writes: * Daniel Pittman dan...@rimspace.net [2009-03-19 10:22:50 +1100]: Administratively, do you actually care if people sign their replies to you or not? Respectfully, VMware server no longer really qualifies as simple given that the dependency list for basic management now includes Java, a Java application server, a Firefox plugin, binary-only components included in that plugin, an AJAX web application, and the basic server stuff. vmrun, vmware-cmd solves most of these problems. They make it easier to interact without having to touch the UI much, but they don't give access to the virtual console, and failures in the Java application server stack can prevent VMs from running... Anyway, the command line tools and/or API do help some, I admit. Regards, Daniel -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: [chat] Version control
On Thursday 19 March 2009 11:29:41 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: Looking for some advice. I have used RCS version control for writing LaTeX documents for some time, but am looking at the advantages of using a distributed version control system. Is there any reason why you want to use a *distributed* VCS? For personal stuff it's probably overkill, and using a centralised VCS will make your life easier. In which case use Subversion. I would disagree on that point. Even in cases where something isn't going to be distributed I would still prefer bzr over svn any day of the week. I assume the same could be said for git and hg users. The newer tools tend to fix some of the old painful problems even when used in a non DVCS fashion. Also a lot of us work on more than one machine these days. So even though you are writing your thesis for instance it's nice to be able to use it on multiple machines and branch it to try new ideas. While VCSs do tend themselves to these processes, DVCSs tend to do a much better job. Especially when it somes to merging. Well thats MHO anyway. John would you post reasons for your opinions so I (we) may consider them. As a long time CVS user, I really struggled with the paradigsm rift to svn. Now I would not consider anything else - but my situation is ME or ME and a small team distributed around the world. bzr is suited for it's purpose, but moi would never trade in svn for my use scenario. James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: What is the status of the Tor project?
On 19 Mar 2009, Howard Lowndes wrote: I have just installed installed Tor in Firefox using the Ubuntu tor and tor-button packages. When I run the check it fails even though the tor and the privoxy daemons are running. Have a look at your logs - /var/log/tor/log (accessible only to root). It'll at least show if it can connect to other tor nodes. It tries to reach check.torproject.org but the DNS is not resolved; in fact that domain name is a CNAME for null.lostinthenoise.net which is what is not resolving. check.torproject.org. 3452IN CNAME null.lostinthenoise.net. null.lostinthenoise.net. 3455 IN A 209.237.247.84 working for me now - perhaps it was just an intermittent or local issue? -- -rob -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Latest or recommended ways to display Gnome Desktop from Windows boxes.
Hi all I need get get several MS Windows users access to a Fedora Linux box. I have nxserver from nomachine on at present and it works very well but it's limited to just two users. I had tried previously using freenx but I could not get it to work as there seemed to be many library problems in the package. This review here shows a lot more than I wanted to see! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_remote_desktop_software#cite_note-SSHwithX_sessions-4 I basically want a free/open source server for Linux and a free client for Windows for several users to display a Gnome desktop. Plain ssh -X is not sufficient. What have you found that is modern and works well that you have tried? Mike -- Michael Lake Computational Research Centre of Expertise Science Faculty, UTS Ph: 9514 2238 -- UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER: This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views of the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. Think. Green. Do. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] virtualisation solutions?
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 01:09:47PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Sridhar Dhanapalan It still looks like having proper network bridging (so the VMs are directly on the network just like any other host) is a pain in the bum. The solutions I've seen involve performing some arcane rituals with brctl and co. Bridging is brain-meltingly simple on Debian-based systems. Quick example of /etc/network/interfaces with a single bridge set up: auto br0 iface br0 inet static address 192.168.10.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.10.1 bridge_ports eth0 eth1 eth2 ^ Only *ONE* extra line to say sudo make me a bridge, xkcd-style ;-) this is mine for virtualbox on debian auto brVB allow-hotplug brVB # All the vbox interfaces will attach to this interface iface brVB inet static bridge_ports none address 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 I then just use routing (There are additional parameters you can add if you want to, but they're all optional.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2010: Wellington, NZ http://www.penguinsvisiting.org.nz/ The postmodern version is: If all you have is duct tape, everything starts to look like a duct. Right. When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct? - Larry Wall -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- And I am an optimistic person. I guess if you want to try to find something to be pessimistic about, you can find it, no matter how hard you look, you know? - George W. Bush 06/15/2004 Washington, DC signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Latest or recommended ways to display Gnome Desktop from Windows boxes.
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 03:05:42PM +1100, Michael Lake wrote: Hi all I need get get several MS Windows users access to a Fedora Linux box. I have nxserver from nomachine on at present and it works very well but it's limited to just two users. I had tried previously using freenx but I could not get it to work as there seemed to be many library problems in the package. This review here shows a lot more than I wanted to see! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_remote_desktop_software#cite_note-SSHwithX_sessions-4 I basically want a free/open source server for Linux and a free client for Windows for several users to display a Gnome desktop. Plain ssh -X is not sufficient. What have you found that is modern and works well that you have tried? vncserver and ultravnc , the former on the linux box and the later on windows boxes Mike -- Michael Lake Computational Research Centre of Expertise Science Faculty, UTS Ph: 9514 2238 -- UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER: This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views of the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. Think. Green. Do. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- We all know that no one understands anything that isn't funny. signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] virtualisation solutions?
with VirtualBox 2.1.4 you don't have to setup any bridging, at least not to be on the same LAN (ie, my VirtualBox machine is on the same subnet as my the physical machine) basically you just say use eth0 (or whatever) in the Virtual Machine config, and it doesn't setup any bridge interfaces very very easy On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Alex Samad a...@samad.com.au wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 01:09:47PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Sridhar Dhanapalan It still looks like having proper network bridging (so the VMs are directly on the network just like any other host) is a pain in the bum. The solutions I've seen involve performing some arcane rituals with brctl and co. Bridging is brain-meltingly simple on Debian-based systems. Quick example of /etc/network/interfaces with a single bridge set up: auto br0 iface br0 inet static address 192.168.10.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.10.1 bridge_ports eth0 eth1 eth2 ^ Only *ONE* extra line to say sudo make me a bridge, xkcd-style ;-) this is mine for virtualbox on debian auto brVB allow-hotplug brVB # All the vbox interfaces will attach to this interface iface brVB inet static bridge_ports none address 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 I then just use routing (There are additional parameters you can add if you want to, but they're all optional.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2010: Wellington, NZ http://www.penguinsvisiting.org.nz/ The postmodern version is: If all you have is duct tape, everything starts to look like a duct. Right. When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct? - Larry Wall -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- And I am an optimistic person. I guess if you want to try to find something to be pessimistic about, you can find it, no matter how hard you look, you know? - George W. Bush 06/15/2004 Washington, DC -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknBzaAACgkQkZz88chpJ2NV9ACeLgn1IbWv5h3xywB4ye4HMyZZ n ཤﰳ㖣忭ꁍ⬲褻� =R1lJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] virtualisation solutions?
Is that for OSE? I know xVM can do it but I thought OSE couldn't (yet). 2009/3/19 Tony Sceats tony.sce...@gmail.com with VirtualBox 2.1.4 you don't have to setup any bridging, at least not to be on the same LAN (ie, my VirtualBox machine is on the same subnet as my the physical machine) basically you just say use eth0 (or whatever) in the Virtual Machine config, and it doesn't setup any bridge interfaces very very easy On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Alex Samad a...@samad.com.au wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 01:09:47PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Sridhar Dhanapalan It still looks like having proper network bridging (so the VMs are directly on the network just like any other host) is a pain in the bum. The solutions I've seen involve performing some arcane rituals with brctl and co. Bridging is brain-meltingly simple on Debian-based systems. Quick example of /etc/network/interfaces with a single bridge set up: auto br0 iface br0 inet static address 192.168.10.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.10.1 bridge_ports eth0 eth1 eth2 ^ Only *ONE* extra line to say sudo make me a bridge, xkcd-style ;-) this is mine for virtualbox on debian auto brVB allow-hotplug brVB # All the vbox interfaces will attach to this interface iface brVB inet static bridge_ports none address 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 I then just use routing (There are additional parameters you can add if you want to, but they're all optional.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2010: Wellington, NZ http://www.penguinsvisiting.org.nz/ The postmodern version is: If all you have is duct tape, everything starts to look like a duct. Right. When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct? - Larry Wall -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- And I am an optimistic person. I guess if you want to try to find something to be pessimistic about, you can find it, no matter how hard you look, you know? - George W. Bush 06/15/2004 Washington, DC -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknBzaAACgkQkZz88chpJ2NV9ACeLgn1IbWv5h3xywB4ye4HMyZZ n ཤﰳ㖣忭ꁍ⬲褻� =R1lJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] virtualisation solutions?
erm, I thought it was, but the 'About VirtualBox' doesn't say so - I got it from the VirtualBox website as a binary not as source though.. didn't pay or register or anything either though On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Mark Walkom markwal...@gmail.com wrote: Is that for OSE? I know xVM can do it but I thought OSE couldn't (yet). 2009/3/19 Tony Sceats tony.sce...@gmail.com with VirtualBox 2.1.4 you don't have to setup any bridging, at least not to be on the same LAN (ie, my VirtualBox machine is on the same subnet as my the physical machine) basically you just say use eth0 (or whatever) in the Virtual Machine config, and it doesn't setup any bridge interfaces very very easy On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Alex Samad a...@samad.com.au wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 01:09:47PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Sridhar Dhanapalan It still looks like having proper network bridging (so the VMs are directly on the network just like any other host) is a pain in the bum. The solutions I've seen involve performing some arcane rituals with brctl and co. Bridging is brain-meltingly simple on Debian-based systems. Quick example of /etc/network/interfaces with a single bridge set up: auto br0 iface br0 inet static address 192.168.10.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.10.1 bridge_ports eth0 eth1 eth2 ^ Only *ONE* extra line to say sudo make me a bridge, xkcd-style ;-) this is mine for virtualbox on debian auto brVB allow-hotplug brVB # All the vbox interfaces will attach to this interface iface brVB inet static bridge_ports none address 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 I then just use routing (There are additional parameters you can add if you want to, but they're all optional.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2010: Wellington, NZ http://www.penguinsvisiting.org.nz/ The postmodern version is: If all you have is duct tape, everything starts to look like a duct. Right. When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct? - Larry Wall -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- And I am an optimistic person. I guess if you want to try to find something to be pessimistic about, you can find it, no matter how hard you look, you know? - George W. Bush 06/15/2004 Washington, DC -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknBzaAACgkQkZz88chpJ2NV9ACeLgn1IbWv5h3xywB4ye4HMyZZ n ཤﰳ㖣忭ꁍ⬲褻� =R1lJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] virtualisation solutions?
Actually I guess not - I just noticed the window title of my virtual machine, and it's xVM.. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Tony Sceats tony.sce...@gmail.com wrote: erm, I thought it was, but the 'About VirtualBox' doesn't say so - I got it from the VirtualBox website as a binary not as source though.. didn't pay or register or anything either though On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Mark Walkom markwal...@gmail.com wrote: Is that for OSE? I know xVM can do it but I thought OSE couldn't (yet). 2009/3/19 Tony Sceats tony.sce...@gmail.com with VirtualBox 2.1.4 you don't have to setup any bridging, at least not to be on the same LAN (ie, my VirtualBox machine is on the same subnet as my the physical machine) basically you just say use eth0 (or whatever) in the Virtual Machine config, and it doesn't setup any bridge interfaces very very easy On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Alex Samad a...@samad.com.au wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 01:09:47PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Sridhar Dhanapalan It still looks like having proper network bridging (so the VMs are directly on the network just like any other host) is a pain in the bum. The solutions I've seen involve performing some arcane rituals with brctl and co. Bridging is brain-meltingly simple on Debian-based systems. Quick example of /etc/network/interfaces with a single bridge set up: auto br0 iface br0 inet static address 192.168.10.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.10.1 bridge_ports eth0 eth1 eth2 ^ Only *ONE* extra line to say sudo make me a bridge, xkcd-style ;-) this is mine for virtualbox on debian auto brVB allow-hotplug brVB # All the vbox interfaces will attach to this interface iface brVB inet static bridge_ports none address 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 I then just use routing (There are additional parameters you can add if you want to, but they're all optional.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2010: Wellington, NZ http://www.penguinsvisiting.org.nz/ The postmodern version is: If all you have is duct tape, everything starts to look like a duct. Right. When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct? - Larry Wall -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- And I am an optimistic person. I guess if you want to try to find something to be pessimistic about, you can find it, no matter how hard you look, you know? - George W. Bush 06/15/2004 Washington, DC -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknBzaAACgkQkZz88chpJ2NV9ACeLgn1IbWv5h3xywB4ye4HMyZZ n ཤﰳ㖣忭ꁍ⬲褻� =R1lJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Latest or recommended ways to display Gnome Desktop from Windows boxes.
I have an open X server at home and I simply run X on my windows desktop to get into it: cygwin X -query myserver Pretty simple, very insecure it is reliant on network security. Ta Ken -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
