Re: [lug] Re: [SLUG] Press request: Legitimate uses of P2P
On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 10:12:14PM +1100, Angus Lees wrote: At Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:03:30 +1100, Mary Gardiner wrote: If you are willing to comment on your use of P2P technology, please contact the SLUG committee, and we'll pass your details on. I used a web browser once and I believe there was no globally centralised server involved at any point. Does that count? You never touched *.root-servers.net? Or *.gtld-servers.net? -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] The programs are documented fully by _The Rise and Fall of a Fooish Bar_, available by the Info system. -- debian/manpage.sgml.ex, dh_make template pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] [jdub@perkypants.org: GNOME 2.0 Desktop and Developer Platform Released!]
On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 09:11:24AM +1000, Adrian van den Dries wrote: Woo hoo! Thanks to Jeff GNOME 2 Release Manager Waugh and his band of merry hackers! Now, for want of bandwidth... From the other side of things, KDE debs have been made semi-official. Read http://calc.cx/kde.txt for the full info, or: * Add deb http://kde3.geniussystems.net/debian ./ or deb http://kde.debian.co.nz/debian ./ to sources.list. * Run apt-get remove --purge kdelibs3 libarts. * Run apt-get install arts kdelibs kdebase kdenetwork kdemultimedia kdeutils, for a rough base desktop, or fire up aptitude and look at the smaller packages for more granularity. These debs are from the second set of KDE 3.0.2 tarballs Dirk prepared; they should also be the finals. Expect a 3.0.2 announcement within the week. -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://raging.dropbear.id.au KDE Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kde.org Kopete: Multi-protocol IM client http://kopete.kde.org msg24475/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] urgent response is needed
On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 08:39:34PM +0200, SANDRA SAVIMBI wrote: Dear Friend, This letter may come to you as a surprise due to the fact that we have [...] This is clearly not the genuine article, since it's not written entirely in upper case. Ignore imitations! -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://raging.dropbear.id.au KDE Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kde.org Kopete: Multi-protocol IM client http://kopete.kde.org msg24425/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] ask shell(installation)
On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 07:04:43PM +0800, henry wrote: *** Could not run PARAGUI test program, checking why... *** The test program compiled, but did not run. This usually means *** that the run-time linker is not finding PARAGUI or finding the wrong *** version of PARAGUI. If it is not finding PARAGUI, you'll need to set your *** LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable, or edit /etc/ld.so.conf to point Hi Henry, You'll probably need to add /usr/local/lib to the list of directories in /etc/ld.so.conf. After doing this, re-run ldconfig. d -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://raging.dropbear.id.au KDE Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kde.org Kopete: Multi-protocol IM client http://kopete.kde.org msg24336/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] xdvi fails with a mktexpk error
On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 06:38:23PM +1000, Michael Lake wrote: Michael Lake University of Technology, Sydney Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 02 9514 1724 Fx: 02 9514 1628 Linux enthusiast, active caver and interested in anything technical. UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. 23 lines of signature. That's longer than most sensible emails. Oh wait, that .sig isn't sensible. -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://raging.dropbear.id.au KDE Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kde.org Kopete: Multi-protocol IM client http://kopete.kde.org msg24257/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] SpamAssassin
On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 09:28:02AM +1000, Tony Green wrote: On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 09:25, Howard Lowndes wrote: I installed the SpamAssassin RPM yesterday and started up the spamd daemon, but nothing appears to be happening, so I guess I missed a config somewhere. Needless to say the doco doesn't refer to the RPM distro. What am I likely to have missed - something in /etc/procmailrc ? :0fw:spam.lock | spamc :0: * ^Subject:.*\*\*\*\*SPAM\*\*\*\* $SPAM My personal preference is to have spamassassin *not* fuck with the message, and filter on the presence of /^X-Spam-Status:\ Yes/. :) d -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://raging.dropbear.id.au KDE Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kde.org Kopete: Multi-protocol IM clienthttp://www.kdedevelopers.net/kopete/ msg23922/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] SpamAssassin
On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 12:54:35PM +1000, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: This one time, at band camp, Michael Still wrote: PS: Is Razor worth using? No. Too many people are submitting mail that they don't like, including unwanted mailing list subscriptions, legitimate mail, and so on, instead of UCE. You will find that a lot of mail you consider legitimate has been flagged as spam by some twonk who can't work out how to unsubscribe. For example: recent Debian Security Announces have been flagged as spam by Razor. And this is why you leave spamassassin at the default threshold of 5, and set Razor to only trigger 3 (default) or 4 ... -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://raging.dropbear.id.au KDE Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kde.org Kopete: Multi-protocol IM clienthttp://www.kdedevelopers.net/kopete/ msg23923/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] SpamAssassin
On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 09:25:43PM +1000, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: This one time, at band camp, Daniel Stone wrote: And this is why you leave spamassassin at the default threshold of 5, and set Razor to only trigger 3 (default) or 4 ... But you're still relying on the ability of thousands of morons to be able to objectively classify their spam. default threshold of 5 ... set Razor to only trigger 3 (default). s/(default)/h1blinkmarquee\1/marquee/blink/h1/; Mmm, good sigmonster. Yar boo sucks. My sigquotes 0wnz yours. In fact: 210.130.187.5 - - [27/May/2002:17:03:07 +1000] GET /daniel/sigquotes HTTP/1.1 404 312 http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=sexy+azian+americans+drunk+pictureshc=0hs=0; Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) This led me to put it back on my site, in the hope that more people looking for their pr0n fix will instead find the sick, twisted minds of IRC addicts. -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://raging.dropbear.id.au KDE Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kde.org Kopete: Multi-protocol IM clienthttp://www.kdedevelopers.net/kopete/ msg23937/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] gcc 3.1 - to use or not to use - that is the question
On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 01:35:28PM +1000, Simon Wong wrote: Sluggers, I notice that gcc-3.1 has slipped into the debian archives... What are people's opinion of this new version? My understanding is that it is not really stable yet and shouldn't be used. Is this true? I bloody well hope not, it's going to be the default very, very soon. :) When 3.0.x was released, the only architectures it was recommended for use on were hppa, ia64, etc; the new architectures that didn't support gcc 2.95.x. With 3.1.x, however, gcc has apparently stabilized, and should be All Good. The latest KDE should build fine on it, HOWEVER you will also have to recompile libqt et al. This is because of massive differences in the C++ linkage etc, which means that for C++ stuff, it's all or nothing wrt gcc 3.1.x. It's also a lot more strict, so it won't tolerate slightly dodgy code that somehow worked on 2.95.x. G'luck! :) d -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://raging.dropbear.id.au KDE Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kde.org Kopete: Multi-protocol IM clienthttp://www.kdedevelopers.net/kopete/ msg23830/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] ask include file(redefinition)
On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 05:01:46PM +1000, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: This one time, at band camp, henry wrote: one definition(as follows) is from /usr/src/linux/include/linux/types.h another definition(as follows) is from /usr/include/unistd.h How could I do ? Could someone shed some light on it ? You should be using sys/types.h, not linux/types.h. Userspace programs should never, ever use kernel includes, unless you have a good reason, and 500 shekels for your trouble. I'm too sexy for my code. -- Awk Sed Fred grep, man!, sed awk. -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://raging.dropbear.id.au KDE Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kde.org Kopete: Multi-protocol IM clienthttp://www.kdedevelopers.net/kopete/ msg23831/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] ask /var/log/messages
On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 06:20:29PM +0800, henry wrote: Dear List: I try to dump messages from my program to some file of /var/log by inserting macro into my program as follows : #includesyslog.h #define debug openlog(my_program,LOG_PID,LOG_USER); / syslog(LOG_INFO,I send a message to log); But nothing happen ,Could someone shed some light on it ,Thanks. I suggest removing the #define debug from the start of the openlog line, and getting rid of the forward slash as well. #define debug openlog(...), just means replace all occurrences of 'debug'[1] with openlog(...), it doesn't actually do anything on its own. Cheers! :) d [1]: Yes, I know that it's nowhere *near* all occurrences ... -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://raging.dropbear.id.au KDE Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kde.org Kopete: Multi-protocol IM clienthttp://www.kdedevelopers.net/kopete/ msg23677/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Committee meeting minutes - 30th April
On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 03:12:08PM +0930, David Fitch wrote: isn't it obvious that: a) with mailing list members as diverse as slug, not everyone is going to agree about everything, and I think everyone can agree that the level of crap expressed wrt LinuxChix was completely over the top. I didn't think SLUG would find it necessary to write a letter of apology, but I don't think it's unprompted, either. -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://raging.dropbear.id.au KDE Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kde.org Kopete: Multi-protocol IM clienthttp://www.kdedevelopers.net/kopete/ msg23421/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Anti-MS bullshit (was: Re: [SLUG] GUI Newsreaders [Was: Galeon in Debian!!])
On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 06:45:37PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2002, Daniel Stone wrote:
dear Daniel,
So blantant, unreasoned Microsoft bashing is OK in your eyes?
Please learn how to spell first..
So I made a typo. That happens when you go from a laptop keyboard to a
strange NEC keyboard (which has a really non-standard keysize).
I liked your strong, reasoned response to all of my points. Very good.
News at 11,
Daniel
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Re: [SLUG] Bite the Troll... (Re: Anti-MS bullshit)
On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 07:36:09PM +1000, Jessica Mayo wrote: Ok. I'll bite the Troll... [Youch!] On Mon, 13 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 13 May 2002, Daniel Stone wrote: So blantant, unreasoned Microsoft bashing is OK in your eyes? Please learn how to spell first.. Ahha! so not only are you a Microsoft basher, you're a Linux basher as well? There are several websites out there that discuss how poor the spelling of the most inteligent and dedicated to the community can be. Normally I'm the #slug spelling and grammar fiend, but as yet, no-one's made a website as to how much NEC keyboards suck. :) -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://raging.dropbear.id.au KDE Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kde.org Kopete: Multi-protocol IM clienthttp://www.kdedevelopers.net/kopete/ msg23436/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Bite the Troll... (Re: Anti-MS bullshit)
On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 09:51:23PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, but sorry, no. We have been a firm advocate of Linux for many years Since discovering it, while studying at UTS in the early 90's. We were involved in some early Debian/LPI work. We also provide anti-spam resources. Please feel welcome visit our website or talk to us, if you sincerely believe we are not 100% behind Linux and Freebsd and alternatives to Redmond. Hope to hear from you soon, cheers Hey, I work for a company, too! (Funnily enough, I didn't think this was The Age Classifieds). -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://raging.dropbear.id.au KDE Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kde.org Kopete: Multi-protocol IM clienthttp://www.kdedevelopers.net/kopete/ msg23446/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Anti-MS bullshit (was: Re: [SLUG] GUI Newsreaders [Was: Galeon in Debian!!])
On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 07:57:02PM +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: It's far too easy to make fun of Microsoft products, but it takes a real man to make them work, and a god to make them do anything useful -- Anonymous Then I must work with a bunch of gods, who have been running a production government/e-commerce site here since 1997, that hasn't even come close to being cracked. You know how many machines we have public? About 15 or 16 with IIS, 4 with BSD/Linux. You know how many security scares we've had? Zero. Know how many hotfixes we've had to rush into production without weeks of testing? About 4 or 5. Not too bad, considering I could say about the same for Linux. Just do sane stuff like, oh, disable remote printer management support on production servers and you won't be fucked. I'm honestly sick of the dumb, rampant MS-bashing that goes on all the time, unchecked. Sure, I believe Linux is a better OS (just look at my sig, and the fact that I used to do packages for Debian), but that doesn't mean we should go around spurting bullshit about Microsoft. When they do it, it's called FUD. When we do it, people laugh, and put it in their signature. -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://raging.dropbear.id.au KDE Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kde.org Kopete: Multi-protocol IM clienthttp://www.kdedevelopers.net/kopete/ msg23396/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Netscape font problems
On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 08:38:59PM +1000, Craige McWhirter wrote: 2. Don't use Netscape. For general web usage Mozilla and especially Galeon are far more pleasent experiences (, anti-aliasing). Your netscape bookmarks can be migrated and you'll probably never have to use Netscape again (except perhaps for some freaky bank site). Nice of you to omit Konqueror. (FYI, they significantly rewrote the HTML rendering code for Konq3, and everything now Works, as opposed to not working in 2.2.2. This includes Westpac Online Banking ...) -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://raging.dropbear.id.au KDE Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kde.org Kopete: Multi-protocol IM clienthttp://www.kdedevelopers.net/kopete/ msg23208/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 04:36:03PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: Working on ideas for upcoming SLUG meetings, I'd like to guage how many people have highly technical talk ideas [1] that they wouldn't normally see as appropriate for a SLUG audience. Also interested in *requests* for highly technical talks, too. Mike Gigante of SGI gave an excellent XFS talk that went really in-depth to it and convinced me that XFS rocked out[1]. It didn't just say XFS is good. XFS does journalling; it went in-depth into the design of every single aspect, even stuff like real-time sections. I was stunned to see this sort of talk at LUV (as opposed to Playing DVDs Under Linux), and IMHO it's the best talk I've seen, but bear in mind that I've never been to a conference[2]. Ever since GNOME development began, I have urged people to aim to make it as good as the Macintosh. To try to be like Windows is to try for second-best. - Richard Stallman Out-of-the-box Windows isn't exactly a bad thing for new users. Having it locked in to Windows style tho (*cough*fvwm95*cough*) is, however, a Bad Thing. [1]: As any #slug member can tell you. [2]: CALU: down the road but didn't know about it; LCA 2001: no money; LCA 2002: had money but conflicted with school -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://raging.dropbear.id.au KDE Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kde.org Kopete: Multi-protocol IM clienthttp://www.kdedevelopers.net/kopete/ msg23051/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 08:26:41PM +1000, Alex Samad wrote: Why not a talk on iptables ? Since talk writes are notoriously awful at writing slides, I hereby offer anyone who wants it, the mgp source to my Netfilter presentation I did at LUV last year. Not a great deal has changed since then (only newnat, more extensions, etc), so it would still be very useful. Plus, it's got a whole heap of funny stuff in there that I found in the 0.1.8 source, in private mails from Rusty, etc. Anyone who wants to do a Netfilter talk is thus advised to give me a yell. Cheers! :) d -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://raging.dropbear.id.au KDE Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kde.org Kopete: Multi-protocol IM clienthttp://www.kdedevelopers.net/kopete/ msg23062/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Question re Apple notebooks and Linux
On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 10:04:26AM +1000, Tim Bateman wrote: SLUG, At the SLUG meeting there seemed to be quite a few Ti Powerbooks and older iBooks floating around. How successfully are folks using Linux on these machines ?, and what type of distribution are you running ? (eg. Mandrake PPC, Debian PPC, Yellow Dog) Debian woody/sid runs very successfully on both iBooks and TiBooks; however, I don't actually have one myself, this is just what I've heard. All you have to do is grab the boot floppies like you would for i386 and rage away. :) -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://raging.dropbear.id.au KDE Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kde.org Kopete: Multi-protocol IM clienthttp://www.kdedevelopers.net/kopete/ msg22953/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Question re Apple notebooks and Linux
On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 08:16:59AM +1000, David wrote: On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, Daniel Stone wrote: On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 10:04:26AM +1000, Tim Bateman wrote: SLUG, Debian woody/sid runs very successfully on both iBooks and TiBooks; however, I don't actually have one myself, this is just what I've heard. All you have to do is grab the boot floppies like you would for i386 and rage away. :) floppies? how much longer are they going to be with us? There's been no apple floppies for 3 years. Yes, I know debian still calls them floppy, even though they are really images. Erm, typo; I meant boot-floppies. You can also use a CD image, if you like, but if the Apples do netboot (and IIRC they do), then IMHO that's a better solution. -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://raging.dropbear.id.au KDE Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kde.org Kopete: Multi-protocol IM clienthttp://www.kdedevelopers.net/kopete/ msg22957/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Turning off auto checking PGP signatures in mutt.
On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 04:10:47PM +1000, Mary wrote: Hi all, Since I do occasionally receive signed messages to mailing lists I'm on, and am not really interested in authenticating the identity of the sender, or in waiting some seconds for the message to display while the key is downloaded from the keyservers, is there an option in mutt to turn off the auto checking, but still allow the key to be checked with a keystroke or two? At the moment I have set pgp_verify_sig=no which means it treats all pgp sigs like an attachment, and there seems to be no way to check them without saving the message to a file and so on. Or just hit Ctrl-C when it's checking the signature. This message intentionally unsigned, d -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] KDE: It's the new black! http://www.kde.org Kopete (multi-protocol IM client) Developer http://www.kdedevelopers.net/kopete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian Apt-get without internet [beginner]
On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 11:12:57AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: GNOME, launched specifically to counter a threat to our freedom, is the free software project par excellence. - Richard Stallman Funnily enough, Qt and KDE are now GPLed. So you're saying that GNOME now has no reason to exist? :) /troll, d -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] KDE: It's the new black! http://www.kde.org Kopete (multi-protocol IM client) Developer http://www.kdedevelopers.net/kopete msg22873/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Sailing / Picnic / Ultimate Day!
On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 10:16:33AM +1000, Craige McWhirter wrote: When: Saturday, May 4th Where: Lyne Park, Rose Bay Misc: BYO everything (no shops nearby, apparently) Facilities: Tables / play area (no known BBQ's) Sailing: $25 for the first hour, $15/hr after the first hour. Sitting on the Grass and Relaxing: $0 Beating Craige's arse at Ultimate: Priceless. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] KDE: It's the new black! http://www.kde.org Kopete (multi-protocol IM client) Developer http://www.kdedevelopers.net/kopete msg22749/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] RFC: SLUG Mailing List FAQ Update
On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 04:12:57PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: Hi all, Given that the last couple of weeks have probably been the mailing list's messiest on record [1], I thought it might be wise to update the FAQ and be a bit noisier about it. Ignore the SSI errors at the top and bottom, once it's on the main site they'll work. :-) http://slug.org.au/~jdub/faq.shtml Once we've seen some comment and contributions, I'd like to link it from the footer you see attached to every list email, and change some of the mailing list descriptions to point to it, and reflect the existence of slug-chat. Please compare it to the current one on the website [2] and discuss here. You also changed the procmail recipe needed for everyone filtering on List-Id. For reference, the new one is: :0: * ^List-Id:\ Linux\ and\ Free\ Software\ Discussion\ slug\.slug\.org\.au $MAILDIR/slug/ [1] I'm personally disappointed that we had destructive commands posted to the list without any explanation, and the excruciatingly embarrassing response to LinuxChix Sydney's reformation. Thanks to the considerate and thoughtful who spoke up about those. SLUG has always been pretty good at self-policing and working out appropriate behaviour; hopefully it's been effective again, and we won't see such crap on our lists for some time. *blush*. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] KDE: It's the new black! http://www.kde.org Kopete (multi-protocol IM client) Developer http://www.kdedevelopers.net/kopete msg22735/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] RFC: SLUG Mailing List FAQ Update
On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 05:15:35PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Daniel Stone :0: * ^List-Id:\ Linux\ and\ Free\ Software\ Discussion\ slug\.slug\.org\.au $MAILDIR/slug/ If you're delivering to maildir, you don't need to lock; plus you should remove all human mess from your rule in case things like this happen. Thus: :0 * ^List-Id: .*slug.slug.org.au $MAILDIR/slug/ Presto. Robust. :-) Hm, what about .*slug.slug.org.au? What if I want to create [EMAIL PROTECTED], or [EMAIL PROTECTED]? :) -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] KDE: It's the new black! http://www.kde.org Kopete (multi-protocol IM client) Developer http://www.kdedevelopers.net/kopete msg22737/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] i need a sofware to penetrate in to systems
On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 09:14:06AM +1000, Booth, Christopher (Aus) - ATP wrote: Ay Caramba [i trashed my hd, aargh] Chris, My apologies for all this mess; next time I'll try to make the humour tags more clear. I'm sorry that all this happened - it always sucks arse to lose data. Sorry is, d -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] KDE: It's the new black! http://www.kde.org Kopete (multi-protocol IM client) Developer http://www.kdedevelopers.net/kopete msg22723/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] LinuxChix chapter in Sydney
On Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 05:15:29AM +1000, Dane wrote: Excellent idea Mary. I think I will start a LinuxDudes chapter and we can get together for social functions. What an excellent way of meeting women with a view to a relationship. I want a woman who really knows how to fsck :~( LinuxChix isn't about women who know how to fuck, it's about a social group where Linux-oriented women can socialize and do Linux stuff without drooling guys like yourself. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] KDE: It's the new black! http://www.kde.org Kopete developer http://kopete.sf.net msg22489/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Modem hijacking
On Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 08:56:57AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: - Jeff (he's baaack!) Pants off! -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] KDE: It's the new black! http://www.kde.org Kopete developer http://kopete.sf.net msg22490/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] KDE 3.0 on Sid?
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 02:58:19PM +1000, Richard Hayes wrote: When do you think the KDE packages will be available for Sid? Currently I'm working on the 3.1 tree, not 3.0, and Chris Cheney is working on the 3.0 tree. He's very, very close to completion; we keep pausing along the way to fix stuff that should be done better. The latest addition to the do-it-right brigade is kdm - we've updated all the scripts to fix its menus and the like. Should be within 48 hours, knock on wood. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] sel need help: my first packet to my provider gets lost :-( netgod sel: dont send the first one, start with #2 msg22443/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Re: [SLUG-ANNOUNCE] LinuxChix chapter in Sydney
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 10:52:29PM +1000, Andrew Bennetts wrote: On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:05:16PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a guys - but would love to meet linux chix. And comments like that are why LinuxChix exists, I suspect. Computer groups are anti social enough, without having a seperate groups for gals. It's like the Debian-SIG in my mind. If you're not interested in Debian, it doesn't matter. Don't go. If you have a special interest that you'd like to have get-togethers for, then go and organise one. Other peoples hobbies and interests aren't your concern. Women that go to SLUG are allowed to meet each other while you're not looking. It's not a crime, or even in any way unreasonable. I'd also like to point out that, unless it's any different from the Melbourne chapter, guys are welcome. As long as they're not just there to check out all the LinuxChix. Somehow, I doubt they appreciate being rounded up just to be drooled at. If there's a problem, then it's not with LinuxChix. Calling LinuxChix anti-social is, in my opinion, a symptom of the problem that causes it to exist. Comments like would love to meet linux chix are hardly likely to make women feel welcome and feel equally respected in the community, and that is great shame. Yea, and that's part of the reason why LinuxChix exists. Feel free to go there if you can keep your eyes and tongue in check. And finally, apologies for the length. I fear this has grown into a little bit of a rant :( 'Sall good. :) -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] DanielS liedra: mind if i sigquote that? liedra sure :) liedra can I sigquote that? cdlu yeah, that's a quote I'm going to have to start using DanielS cdlu: it was growing at the rate of ~5 a day before i realised i was an irc addict, and went out and acquired a life and a gf cdlu daniels: i became an irc addict when i got a sympathetic girlfriend msg22463/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] LinuxChix chapter in Sydney
On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 12:28:16PM +1000, Karl Bowden wrote: I have converted both of my parents, but my sister still resists because of MSN Messenger (even though I chat with her using Gabber on my linux box). I wonder if LinuxChix will put out an RFC or guidelines on how to talk to women properly in order to convert them? Roughly the same way you convert men? BTW, Kopete, GAIM and Everybuddy all do MSN Messenger. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] rw ladies and gentleman :D rw in a few minutes i will be having sex ! msg22472/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Sendmail giving 553 rejection errors.
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 05:46:44PM +1000, Matt Hyne wrote: Anyone know why it does it and what I can do to fix it ? Do you have a valid MX record for mydomain.com.au? -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] seeS why did lamont do a postfix for potato? StevenK To shut DannyS up, I imagine. seeS BUT YOU'RE STILL HERE, lamont has failed us all!! msg22368/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] do you know utility ---- dnl
On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 03:35:29PM +0800, henry wrote: I try to install ofbis(a graphic lib) It needs to install autoconf first to initalize the configure file. But after I install the stuff. I still get dnl : command not found , by type ./configure for installing ofbis. I found that the keyword(dnl) appear in http://www.gtk.org/faq/ just as the configure file. Has someone ever used this utility ? give some instructions? dnl indicates a comment, off the top of my head. Have you run autoconf first? -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] * joefu realizes that he, too, is a 20-odd-year-old operating system from bell labs. msg22116/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] AGP cards
On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 12:16:20PM +1000, Dennis Curnow` wrote: Can anyone enlighten me on what sort of slot the AGP video cards require? I really hope an AGP slot isn't the answer you're looking for. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] Overfiend * Rebuild against the new expat, which UNEXPECTEDLY BROKE BINARY COMPATIBILITY Overfiend bwa ha ha ha Overfiend aaronl is totally adopting my unpleasant personality Overfiend ah, the young and impressionable msg22120/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] NFS mounting between RH7.0 and RH7.2
On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 05:57:35PM +1100, Matt Hyne wrote: Mar 30 17:50:07 panda kernel: NFS: NFSv3 not supported. Mar 30 17:50:07 panda kernel: NFS: cannot create RPC transport. Mar 30 17:50:07 panda kernel: nfs warning: mount version older than kernel Mar 30 17:50:08 panda kernel: nfs: too small RPC reply size (0 bytes) Mar 30 17:50:08 panda kernel: nfs_get_root: getattr error = 5 Mar 30 17:50:08 panda kernel: NFS: cannot create RPC transport. Now, the blindly obvious is that the RH7.2 machine supports NFSv3 and RH7.0 does not. Is there a way to make the RH7.2 machine support the same version of NFS as is on RH7.0 - ie backwards compatibility ? Recompile your kernel and enable NFSv3 support; stock kernels are evil. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] austus erm, i don't want to kill anybody...i just want my 100 virgins now before i die msg22122/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Netscape keeps changing permissions on its directory and bookmarks file.
On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 12:27:39PM +1000, Michael Lake wrote: I have installed a neat little perl script called TLBMP - Tobi's Live BookMarks Presenter by Tobias Oetiker (http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/) which places all your netscape bookmarks into a nice HTML page with search facility. It works as a CGI script but that means that it need to be able to see your bookmarks file. It works when I have set: drwx--x--x5 mikelmikel 664 Apr 1 11:51 .netscape -rw-r--r--1 mikelmikel 117660 Apr 1 11:41 .netscape/bookmarks.html but when you fire up Netscape after a short while the permissions get changed back to what Netscape wants to: drwx--5 mikelmikel 656 Apr 1 11:49 .netscape -rw---1 mikelmikel 117660 Apr 1 11:41 .netscape/bookmarks.html You have three options, in descending order of preference: a) switch to a capital-F-Free browser, such as Konqueror (much better in KDE3), or Galeon b) have the CGI script run as mikel, in which case it will have permission c) hack the Netscape binary to not do that -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] * liedra hands DanielS some big fat coldfusion files. Join the pain! DanielS liedra: CF, eaugh. NWIH. liedra that's what I said liedra then the industry shat itself liedra so I had to sell out :( liedra lousy having to pay rent msg22123/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] installing software
On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 12:09:26PM +1100, Marko Denev wrote: Also can I just move the rp-pppoe folder that was created in the root folder to another folder? If not do I have to uninstall and then re-install or just leave it where it is? If it doesn't install anything, I suggest moving /root/rp-pppoe to /usr/local/rp-pppoe, which is the standard for user installs. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] seeker fuck gotta go drink thanx to all that helped anyways msg22126/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] iptables DNAT help required
On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 07:12:52PM +1100, Crossfire wrote: Peter Rundle was once rumoured to have said: # iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -p tcp -s 0/0 --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.99 iptables: Invalid argument Cluesticks? s/POSTROUTING/PREROUTING/ DNAT has to be applied before a routing decision is made so the packets can be routed correctly. Conversely, SNAT has to be applied in POSTROUTING. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] riel OMFG ... yesterday's head hunter wants contact information for Linus now that I told him he's probably the only person with 10 years of continuous Linux experience ;) msg21895/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] CGI
On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 08:43:39PM +1100, Adam Hewitt wrote: order deny,allow deny from all allow from 192.168.0.1 Swap the order of these last two lines. Here, you're saying deny everything, and then allow 192.168.0.1 if no decision's been made. Either that, or change the first line to be order allow,deny. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] Md Booting... /vmunix.el msg21906/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] broken cvs on woody
On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 10:40:47AM +1100, Ken Foskey wrote: I updated on Debian woody and CVS is broken: ? nas/unxlngi3.pro cvs: lock.c:177: lock_name: Assertion `(__extension__ (__builtin_constant_p ( strlen (CVSroot_directory)) more of the assertion is snipped. How do I report these errors? First, check http://bugs.debian.org/cvs to see if this bug has already been reported. If not, install reportbug, type reportbug cvs, and include the *full* *text* of the assertion. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] StevenK *sigh* 3 minutes to download 300Kb. * StevenK encorages his download TO HURRY THE FUCK UP. mrjazzman StevenK: u're on ihug bandwidth what do you want StevenK I could get out and push faster, for fucks sake. msg21872/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] iptables help required
On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 09:33:21PM +1100, Peter Rundle wrote: I'm learning iptables by trial and terror and fail to understand iptables behaviour when matching rules. I thought that once a rule was matched the chain was exited but it appears that iptables continues down the chain attempting to match all rules. Is this true and if so what the hell for? This would appear to me to make iptables about next to useless. You're confusing matches with targets. Matches say oh yes, this packet has the property of foo (e.g. being a TCP packet on port 80). Targets do stuff with the packet (log it, for instance). # iptables -A INPUT -p TCP --dport 80 -j LOG --log-prefix HTTP: # iptables -A INPUT -p TCP -j LOG --log-prefix OTHER: But when I list /var/log/messages I get both the HTTP and OTHER labels!!! Yes. The LOG target keeps traversing down the chain for obvious reasons; what if you want to log something, and then drop it? ipchains did it in a very unclean way. I suggest you do something like: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j LOG --log-prefix HTTP: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp ! --dport 80 -j LOG --log-prefix OTHER: This will negate matching on port 80 for the second target. Alternatively: iptables -N HTTP iptables -A HTTP -j LOG --log-prefix HTTP: iptables -P HTTP ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j HTTP iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -j LOG --log-prefix OTHER: This will create a separate chain for HTTP. So what's the story? I want to impliment a DENY or DROP policy so that packets that I don't have a rule for get dumped but as soon as I change the INPUT policy to DENY or DROP nothing can talk to the box, even though I have a matching input rule. I don't want to have to impliment a chain by putting in matching rules for all the ports that I don't want I just want to put in a list of allows and then a DROP at the end. That's easy. iptables -N ALLOWED iptables -A ALLOWED -j LOG --log-prefix OTHER: iptables -P ALLOWED ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j ALLOWED iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 1234 -j ALLOWED ... Anyone have any ideas? Is their a flag or switch on iptables that changes the traverse policy to exit on match. Clues sticks? I can offer you a clue stick, but you can't exit on match - what would the verdict be? d, who notes that most of this is in the Netfilter-HOWTO, or whatever it's called -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gnea welcome to OPN. today is a day which shall live in infamy! your services are important to us. please be patient while we attempt to shine a flashlight with dead batteries. thank you. :) msg21778/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] debian.potato-X
On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 10:21:16PM +1100, Ken Foskey wrote: Power users use vim which will automatically unzip when it opens for edit. It will then zip when you save automatically. AFAIK it doesn't touch the file itself at all, it just unzips internally. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] Manoj You know, I first heard the sentiment that Debian had grown too big back in '94, when IanM realized he could no longer package Debian all by himself. msg21664/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] debian: floppy deviations?
On Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 07:29:05PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Bill Taylor except it is the third OS, (on it's own drive) That's okay, there are plenty of bootloaders that will kick it off. My preference (when I was stuck with multiple operating systems) was GAG. I've found that GRUB works brilliantly. It's Grand, it's Unified, and it's a Boot Loader! All hail friend GRUB! -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] * stoney knows a guy who works for sun and all he does is rave about java * Winter isn't surprised to hear about somebody from Sun raving. terryd Stoney: I know a guy who works for Microsoft and all he does is rave about VisualBasic msg21594/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Sparc64 SMP Linux?
On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 11:45:33AM +1100, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: I know its a bit unlikely but is anyone here running SMP Sparc64 Linux on Sun hardware? I've working on a dual CPU E220R. I can compile a uni-processor Sparc64 kernel which runs correctly but the SMP version fails to boot fully. It gets to init and then complains that it can't fork(). But what version is the kernel?, the non-ESP-possessing masses cry. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] Slimer What's brown and sticky? Slimer A stick. msg21595/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] size mismatch when apt-getting
On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 02:32:49PM +1000, jason andrade wrote: rant simply saying don't use mirror.aarnet is akin to saying there is a problem with some software. we shouldn't fix it. rather, don't use debian. don't use linux. in fact don't use opensource, it's broken. /rant OK, let me clarify. * Updates were often sparodic at best - irregular and often partial. Packages and the packages themselves were often out of sync until the next update. * Updates often took *ages* to happen - I don't know where it pulled from, but it can't have been somewhere fast. (saens? auric?). * etc -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Wells will never forget walking out of the theatre after LOTR and overhearing someone say I wonder if there will be a sequel msg21488/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] size mismatch when apt-getting
On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 07:43:36PM +1000, jason andrade wrote: On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Daniel Stone wrote: * Updates were often sparodic at best - irregular and often partial. Packages and the packages themselves were often out of sync until the next update. in any particular area ? e.g dist, pool.. In the pool, since stable doesn't really change that much. ;) But seriously folks, it was in the pool, not in dists. I haven't looked in dists for ages. * Updates often took *ages* to happen - I don't know where it pulled from, but it can't have been somewhere fast. (saens? auric?). hmm. was this in the past, upto the present ? always ? I've been using Debian for around 2 years, and I stopped using AARNet about 6 months ago, when I first became aware of Planetmirror ... do the maths. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] bod ooh looky, german spam... that's new asuffield Ja, die mails hat un virusmitten? bod Dies ist keine Spam und keine Werbung bod pricks in any language msg21490/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Combined Desktop talk for the Linux Workshop
On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 08:30:07PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: I'm looking for a KDE person who would like to do a combined GNOME/KDE desktop talk with me at the upcoming Linux Workshop in May. There's allegedly a KDE developer in Sydney; go to the interview with Neil Stevens on the dot today, and follow the link to the world map, go to the enlarged version with names, and voila. I'd of course love to do it, but sadly no-one's clamouring to pay for my airfares. My hope is to present and show off the two desktop environments to demonstrate the flexibility and choice in Free Software, and to avoid the ineffective and short-sighted polarisation that some new users are faced with. Yes. This is a huge problem. Also a lot of people seem to be of the view that it's all or nothing - I use KDE everywhere for my environment, but often use Evolution, AbiWord, and Gnumeric, among others. As I just said in a mail to luv@luv, GNOME generally is very functional with not as much polish, whereas KDE has stacks of polish but can't match it for the functionality. KDE3 should be a small leap forward in this area, and I hope GNOME2 is a large leap forward in the polish area; I certainly hope it is. But yeah. Why restrict yourself to the one? I find my hybrid of KDE/GNOME works excellently. [ Yes, this does exclude the amazing choice outside the scope of desktop environments, but I'm pretty sure that new or migrating users will find GNOME and KDE to be simpler introductions to Free Software. It would be a crime if there weren't any Enlightenment or using Linux on older computers talks to go with them. ] I ran away from E after econf disappeared after 0.15 or so. I can't really remember, but I think KDE/GNOME is a much better introduction to the world of Linux for newbies. Craige can talk the anime freaks who want transparent panels (psst: transparent menus are a standard feature in KDE3!) through E if he wants. :) d -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] Beowulf mhp: 3.3GB downloaded yet Beowulf :P agi Beowulf: your pr0n addiction is starting to worry me msg21445/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] size mismatch when apt-getting
On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 07:43:42PM +1030, David Fitch wrote: On Fri, 2002-03-15 at 04:41, Mike Lake wrote: Failed to fetch http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian/pool/main/l/logcheck/logtail_1.1.1-13.1_all.deb Size mismatch How does one get around this? I've had problems before with mirror.aarnet to do with wrong checksums and this size mismatch error, I presumed it was the mirror being in the process of updating or something but... you had the same problem with the us.debian site so it's probably not related. When I had that size mismatch error it was trying to dist-upgrade to a version of woody on a cd, I just assumed it was some dud packages on the cd and changed the sources.list to the web instead and it worked ok. You've already tried that so sorry probably not much help. Honestly, the best thing I can suggest is not to use mirror.aarnet. It's been stuffed for quite some time, and I don't think it fully recovered. Planetmirror works best for me, and there's also Monash and many other Australian mirrors. Use them. :) d -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] SynrG what does wu-ftpd do that proftpd doesn't (other than reveal new security holes every couple of months) msg21446/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] I want to remove gnome but debian wants to add stuff.
On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 11:24:00AM +1030, David Fitch wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 11:41:31AM +1100, Anand Kumria wrote: Generally if you want to remove a big sub-system, picking on of the dependant libraries is a better choice. I'd suggest trying libgnome (or libgnome32). (I wondered about this too Mike, only about removing kde in my case. I didn't bother in the end though as I have plenty of disk space.) My 2c to chuck in is to mention you can also do 'dpkg --purge pkgnames' to completely wipe all traces of said package(s) from your system. 'apt-get remove' leaves behind config files and other bits. To get rid of KDE, do apt-get remove kdelibs3. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] * HoopyCat listens to the please hold while we process your tcp packet music on his sound ysstem msg21315/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Nautilus - View as Music
On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 07:56:17PM +1100, Craige McWhirter wrote: On Sat, 2002-03-02 at 17:49, Jeff Waugh wrote: All suggested nautilus packages are installed (there are only two anyway). It works for the only mp3 I have, just not oggs :/ It really does work: Excellent. Thanks for that. At least now I do know it supports ogg as well as mp3. I just need to keep plugging away at working out why I can only get it happening with mp3's. *yawn*. KDE already does this. Old hat. :P -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] danielsi i've become a bit of a unix (linux) bigot. danielsi i'd rather fuck a door post than use sco unix. (note: no relation to me) msg20994/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Was: Family mail server. Is now: Dons asbestos suit
On Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 04:08:03PM +1100, Kerry Seibold wrote: Craige, It seems to me to be desirable to have your mail easily read by as many different MUAs as possible. Like I said if I can't read them first up I bin them. My guess is that there are an awful lot of Outlook Expresses out there. GPG signatures are very easy to read. I'm not signing mine, so this probably isn't my opinion. In fact, it could be anyone's. GnuPG signatures are an easy way to make sure that mails really are sent by who you think they are. I sign all my messages (this one being the exception) as a matter of habit. Oh, and WRT HTML email - don't. It's bad practice everywhere but JavaScript lists. It's an evil, annoying hack that causes me to immediately press ^D. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] Joey I guess I should crash liiwi kill -3 `pidof Joey` doogie kill -11 `pidof Joey` msg20995/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Anti-Microsoft Stuff
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 11:55:51PM +1100, Andre Pang wrote: On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 08:02:25PM +1100, James Morris wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Brian Robson wrote: Dear SLUGGers, I have collected together all the recent e-mails on M$ Dirt into one posting, with all the links in one batch, below. What has this got to do with Linux? Okay, I'll bite. I've had a good night and am in a good mood :) If you're thinking along the lines of a _purely_ technical perspective, absolutely nothing. However, show me one company which is purely technical and I'll likely jump into a probabibility anomaly which leads to a parallel dimension. (Or something.) The most common question of why is Linux better can often be answered easily; the problem is the unwillingness to switch from Windows even though people know it's not the best solution for them. Start throwing around arguments about why you shouldn't be running Microsoft products and what they've done wrong, and you've got a bit more leverage to get your customer to switch to something else. What if they're a purely UNIX shop? -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] ElectricElf Anyone have a favorite low-overhead remote filesystem protocol? (NFS and Samba are, of course, options) DanielS ElectricElf: it's like asking what is the least painful method of castration involving a rusty fishing wire msg19802/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Christmas - That Special Time !
On Thu, Dec 20, 2001 at 10:38:49PM +1100, Tony Green wrote: Bah - you've got me dreaming of the motherland now good pint of beer and a decent curry.. thats a proper christmas. It may be summer, but that's no excuse for warm beer. Bloody Englishmen. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skif how to make chocolate moose, bork, bork, bork! Furst you get dee m00sie... heer, m00sie! msg18809/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Re: Christmas - That Special Time !
On Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 09:03:41AM +1100, Stuart Cooper wrote:
Prohibitive food laws prevent Australians from enjoying more of their local
fauna. A few very fancy and expensive restaurants serve kangaroo meat
(it tastes like chicken say most people; and the movie The Matrix) but
because of our laws most of it has to be used for non-human purposes. Kangaroos
are not as far as I know farmed for their meat but have to be culled at various
farms where they are a nuisance and eat the crops.
Kangaroo is actually a much sweeter meat; goes down very well with a
savoury mash and a port/red wine sauce. Mmm. Now you've got me
salivating.
--
Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hmm. Last time I disabled CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE, it resulted in me getting
a display consisting solely of bullet marks, instead of standard text.
I hear that happens if you bring your {Power,i}Book into work with
you at Intel.
-- Branden Robinson, debian-ppc
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Re: [SLUG] In Car MP3 Players
On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 12:17:56AM +1100, Craige McWhirter wrote: On Sat, 2001-12-15 at 13:03, Crossfire wrote: mpg123 is your friend. ogg123? ;) If I recall correctly, it can play back full rate on a 486DX2/66, and *nearly* full rate on a 486SX/33 (IIRC). I used to use a few inventive patches to downmix the audio for my SBPro anyway and that just coped with my SX/33 with SBPro. That was a few years ago anyway. Yes, spot on. I've also built a juke box on a 486DX4/133 and it plays quite nicely, even with X running (Oroborus / Deskmenu) and using Digital DJ with a MySQL back end. Chugs along nicely. mpg321 (and, to a lesser degree, mpg123) absolutely flogged my p166 (they needed to be at -20 to not skip ... most of the time). Admittedly I was running KDE at the time, but hey. Freeamp is much, much less CPU-intensive. Freeamp is good. Unfortunately it's much tighter than mpg(123|321) on broken files (e.g. incomplete/whatever), so you may get it bailing on a few. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] luca aaronl, i have this site you should see... aaronl lemme guess, goatse.cx? luca how did you know! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] (no subject)
On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 07:49:54PM +1100, Jeff Allison wrote: Got a Question. I've got a Redhat 7.1 server acting as Domino server so my SMTP listener isn't sendmail, its the built in domino one how do i get the internal mail from the box delivered to the domino listener. I've tried not running it as a demon but I keep getting MX errors, and from a command line mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] User unknown. Either Lotus Domino needs to emulate the sendmail(1) command, or you need to set up an MTA (e.g. sendmail, Postfix, Exim, etc) to blindly relay everything to the local SMTP server, and not run as a daemon. -d -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skif how to make chocolate moose, bork, bork, bork! Furst you get dee m00sie... heer, m00sie! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Adore SSHD Trojan
On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 07:56:51AM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: An interesting aside on this one. I did a netstat -plt on my workstation (which is behind a strong firewall) and got the following. Notice how the controlling process doesn't show up, and I am wondering what is listening on port 32768 and 32769, even an lsof doesn't tell me: lsof, ps, et al have almost certainly been replaced. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] * illuzion is away - watching pretty flashy lights - messages will be translated into FORTRAN and fed to an obese wombat -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Evolution 1.0
On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 12:53:09AM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: By the way, gang... Evolution 1.0 is out. :) [ Now you can happily post to SLUG in HTML with a complete, Free Software, GUI email client. ] Sweet. Evo is a very, very nice MUA; the only thing that made me move away from it a while ago (the 0.8 days) was its relative instability and tendancy to delete mail (OK, so I was running CVS), and speed (or lack thereof) on a p166. I now run mutt at home but Evolution at work, and it rocks. Great work guy, and I hope to see the Outlook thingies very very soon. :) d -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] StevenK Because you need to shove in coal every farking 30 minutes with Slackware. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Iptables question
On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 07:02:24AM +, Herbert Xu wrote: Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 10:14:11AM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: In iptables, what is the purpose of the OUTPUT chain in the nat table? Does anyone have an example of where you might use it? Output NAT doesn't work ATM (unless something really radical has changed), and probably won't, because of the enormous kludges needed in the IP stack (Netfilter is very particular about touching the IP stack - it does so very minimally ATM). That's funny. I've used for ages and it hasn't stopped working yet. Obviously something really radical changed, then. It applies to traffic originating from localhost. Yes. Its hook is in the exact same spot in the code as OUTPUT in the filter chain, only with a higher priority. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] Robot101 let me clarify Robot101 FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Several questions after an apt-get dist-upgrade
On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 06:19:39PM +1100, Mike Lake wrote: Hi All, I have just done an apt-get dist-upgrade of an Intel 486 gateway from stable to unstable. I have just a few questions... Question 1 -- dpkg: warning - unable to delete old file `/usr/doc': Directory not empty All the doc files in here are symlinks to ../share/doc/ I am presuming that unstable has decided to have all docs in /usr/share and nothing in /usr/doc and wanted to remove all those symlinks and the directory /usr/doc - is that right. In which case I can manually delete them? May as well keep them around. All that means is that the old package had stuff in /usr/doc whereas the new one doesn't. Question 2 -- dpkg: warning - unable to delete old file `/var/log/ksymoops': Directory not empty This currently contails lots of. -rw-r--r--1 root root32113 Sep 1 23:06 20010901230651.ksyms -rw-r--r--1 root root 222 Sep 1 23:06 20010901230651.modules Seems to be lots of temp files about loaded modules. I have deleted them all and I will see what ones reappear and when. Don't worry about it. Question 3 -- Some time ago I installed logrotate which needed mailx to be able to mail me messages and this in turn required zmailer. zmailer is a big package for high volume mail and should not be needed really. As apt-cache show zmailer says Most users don't need this package -- for most users, sendmail or exim or smail will suffice. I have exim installed. I tried to delete it: loubens:/home/admin# apt-get remove zmailer-ssl Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: logrotate mailx tripwire zmailer-ssl 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 4 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 15.5MB will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n Abort. The strange thing is that my Debian Alpha has logrotate and mailx but did not need zmailer. The 486 Intel does. Whats the dependencies for other peoples systems out there? dpkg --purge --force-depends zmailer-ssl apt-get install postfix (or exim, or whatever). Question 4 -- I have in my sources.lust :-) deb http://security.debian.org unstable/updates main contrib non-free I had changed the stable to unstable. I get however... Don't. unstable doesn't need a security branch, as all updates get installed in there anyway; just remove that line. :) d -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] Addi It would be kind of cool to have a bunch of satelittes that were on the same trajectory as the earth around the sun, but going the other way. pudge so twice a year we all have to duck? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Iptables question
On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 10:14:11AM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: In iptables, what is the purpose of the OUTPUT chain in the nat table? Does anyone have an example of where you might use it? Output NAT doesn't work ATM (unless something really radical has changed), and probably won't, because of the enormous kludges needed in the IP stack (Netfilter is very particular about touching the IP stack - it does so very minimally ATM). :) d -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] * solomon equips the Magical +50 Ring of Not Fucking Up solomon solomon's Magical +50 Ring of Not Fucking Up is CURSED! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] dpkg / APT loss of robustness
On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 04:13:33PM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote: [stuff] After talking to Jeff on IRC, I'd like to apologise; I misinterpreted his comments about Debian as being a personal attack. (Long story, but if you know Debian politics you'll understand). -d -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] Addi It would be kind of cool to have a bunch of satelittes that were on the same trajectory as the earth around the sun, but going the other way. pudge so twice a year we all have to duck? msg17961/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Am I baying for the moon?
On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 03:48:46PM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: I have a client who wants to store a variety of document types in job folders. Some are (cough) .doc, .xls, some are .jpg, .html, .gif. There could be any mixture of these in any given job folder. He has grandiose ideas about indexing these and being able to full up documents that match certain search criteria. Frankly I think he is being unrealistic, but I have to jump the hoops anyway. Is there anything Linux based that comes within a bull's roar of what he wants; or even something that runs on that other OS. http://www.harvestroad.com.au, they do exactly what you want with DPMS (Document Publishing Management System). We're one of their clients, if you want to play around I could set up a demo site for you. -d -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] I propose that Debian maintainers not be permitted to use programs like dadadodo to generate their changelog entries. -- Branden Robinson, submitting a bug against debian-policy -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] dpkg / APT loss of robustness
On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 09:55:43AM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Silcock, Stephen That looks like acceptable behaviour to me; the script was looking for a file that wasn't there and it told you exactly that. When you put the file back (or a dummy one at least) it worked OK. What exactly about the process do you not think is robust? The file was in the target state (deleted). The script (and thus the package management system, because it will put this package in a broken state) should not b0rk because it is unable to delete a file that is already not there. It was in the prerm script, thus the package wasn't removed yet. prerm == pre-removal, so nothing had yet been done. If the prerm script isn't run, then purge/whatever may do completely unexpected things, so that's a completely legitimate thing to do. The script needs to run in prerm, before removal (oddly enough). You're applying for NM, you should know this. Read up on policy. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Evii- (opnotice/#linux/18@) I hereby vote DanielS as my choice for the new channel manager ;) -Lion-O- [Wall/#linux] /me kills evii -RelDrgn- i vote we shoot evii ;) -Evii- (opnotice/#linux/18@) Hey would be a great way to get rid of the lusers.. and regulars.. and ops.. ;) (editor's note: Evii was drunk at the time) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] dpkg / APT loss of robustness
On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 03:52:56PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Daniel Stone It was in the prerm script, thus the package wasn't removed yet. prerm == pre-removal, so nothing had yet been done. If the prerm script isn't run, then purge/whatever may do completely unexpected things, so that's a completely legitimate thing to do. The script needs to run in prerm, before removal (oddly enough). However, it entertains with a rather ungraceful death, especially in the hands of a new user. This can be avoided, so... Why defend the suboptimal? If you rm init scripts, expect errors. Don't fuck with the packaging system. There's a defined way to do this - update-rc. I sincerely hope you stay on hold, or never pick up any packages I may come into contact with. You're applying for NM, you should know this. Read up on policy. Yay! Let's all join the Debian teeny-weeny bigot brigade! Then we too can be sarcastic, adolescent punks! YAY DEBIAN! It's fact; using sarcasm and stupid digs at people to cover your own shortcomings is moronic, but not at all unlike you. It's no wonder that there are more than a few Debian developers emailing to dissuade elmo from approving you. [ Dig GNOME, dig Debian. GNOME: Great people, software getting there. Debian: Great distro, people are nine times out of ten absolute nitwits. Thom - SLUG's favourite touring Debhead - is the tenth out of ten. ] So you're implicitly flaming StevenK, bod, seeS, wildfire and others? Oh well, I 'spose it'd fit nicely with others flaming you because they think you're a wannabe dickhead. (*cough*lookatme!crackmonkeymakesmecoolespeciallywhenIimitatenick!*cough*). - Jeff (who is sick, and being testily caustic) If you're sick, then fuck off and get well, instead of flaming me. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] aj DanielS: you've never swum in the murray river have you? aj: for i in have will; echo never $i; done * aj marvels at how much more efficient Unix scripting is than doing things long hand msg17941/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] dpkg / APT loss of robustness
On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 03:52:56PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: Yay! Let's all join the Debian teeny-weeny bigot brigade! Then we too can be sarcastic, adolescent punks! YAY DEBIAN! I've pasted a mail that came through to debian-newmaint this morning. WAY TO GO, JEFF! I've contributed many packages to Debian, including half of apache2 (myself and Thom are co-maintainers), and vhost-base, which entails a comprehensive virtual hosting policy, and is a generic solution. So what have you contributed, apart from wasting Oskuro's time, as well as mhp and tbm's time (Front Desk), and your advocate's? The answer is b) absolutely nothing. Thankyou for playing, come again. Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:01:28 +0100 From: Jordi Mallach [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Alan Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Jeff Waugh and Alan Harper on Hold [-- PGP output follows (current time: Mon Nov 26 16:19:15 2001) --] gpg: Signature made Mon Nov 26 04:01:28 2001 EST using DSA key ID 917A225E gpg: Good signature from Jordi Mallach [EMAIL PROTECTED] gpg: aka Jordi [EMAIL PROTECTED] gpg: aka Jordi [EMAIL PROTECTED] gpg: aka Jordi Mallach [EMAIL PROTECTED] gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature! gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner. gpg: Fingerprint: 73ED 4244 FD43 5886 20AC 2644 2584 94BA 917A 225E [-- End of PGP output --] [-- The following data is signed --] Hello, I'm putting Jeff and Alan on hold, I haven't heard of them in a while and they haven't replied to my pings. Thanks, Jordi -- Jordi Mallach P?rez || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Rediscovering Freedom, aka Oskuro in|| [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Using Debian GNU/Linux Reinos de Leyenda || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://debian.org http://sindominio.net GnuPG public information: pub 1024D/917A225E telnet pusa.uv.es 23 73ED 4244 FD43 5886 20AC 2644 2584 94BA 917A 225E [-- End of signed data --] -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] doogie /. has been /.'d. msg17943/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] dpkg / APT loss of robustness
On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 04:24:08PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=cpaul take it outside the lot of you!!! slug-chat now! Given that there's more silly-personal-attack that worthwhile-bug-fix going on on this thread, I've replied to slug-chat. :) I'm not on slug-chat. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gnea welcome to OPN. today is a day which shall live in infamy! your services are important to us. please be patient while we attempt to shine a flashlight with dead batteries. thank you. :) msg17952/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Compile errors with Gnome orbit packages
On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 06:24:35PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
This one time, at band camp, Daniel Stone wrote:
On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 10:02:17PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
I think I used something like
COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep ximian | awk '{ print $2 }' | xargs apt-get
install --reinstall
which depends on having a newer package versions in the non-ximan
packages... if not it gets a bit messier.
Um, what do you think --reinstall is for?
Reinstalling the package with the same version number or newer, so please
explain if I've got this wrong:
debian: foobar_1.0_i386.deb
ximian: foobar_1.0-ximian.1_i386.deb
If foobar hasn't been updated in the debian repository, then won't the
ximian one be reinstalled, as it has the same or newer ('-' being greater
than '' in the sort order) version number?
I always thought it reinstalled it regardless.
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Re: [SLUG] Compile errors with Gnome orbit packages
On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 02:35:17PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Simon Wong I was wondering what to remove if I do upgrade. Did you keep a list? I guess I can always just look for ximian packages in dpkg, though. I've done it all in one line: COLUMNS=150 dpkg -l | grep ximian | cut -f 3 -d ' ' | xargs apt-get remove There are other ways to do it, using grep-dctrl, etc., but this was fairly fast and straight forward. If you want to make sure all the configuration files are removed too (not yours, the global ones), use --purge. I'd recommend this unless you've made extensive administrative changes. Just edit /etc/apt/sources.list, get the Ximian list out, and do something like this: COLUMNS=150 dpkg -l | grep ximian | cut -f -3 -d ' ' | xargs apt-get install --reinstall apt-get should grab the most of it for you, find what it doesn't have manually by apt-cache search. :) d -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] coral purl, valley girl fucking is replylike uNF! like uNF! like uNF! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Compile errors with Gnome orbit packages
On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 10:02:17PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
I think I used something like
COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep ximian | awk '{ print $2 }' | xargs apt-get
install --reinstall
which depends on having a newer package versions in the non-ximan
packages... if not it gets a bit messier.
Um, what do you think --reinstall is for?
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Re: [SLUG] Telstra Direct IP routing
On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 09:49:39AM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: Yes this is a common problem with BPD. I get it with nearly every new BPD account. A tracetoute will show it ending up in Perth somewhere (it used to be Paddington 8). Give 1800 066 594 a call and ask then to correct their advertisements. If you have a think about it, you'll see that all non-AU traffic goes to Perth (sometimes up to Sydney if they're feeling generous). Thus, it's almost certainly not advertised at all, just following the default route. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] * joeyh takes advantage of netscape's marvelous ability to crash to close 10 windows with a single keypress joeyh now that's progress! Knghtbrd Bus error = -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Samba - Public Access Share
On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 08:05:11AM +1000, Steven Kerr wrote: Sluggers I am attempting to setup on our internal network a samba share read/writable by anyone, including those with NO unix account on the samba server. The configuration for the share is: [openaccess] comment = Open Access to All path = /home/www/public writable = yes guest ok = yes create mask = 666 guest account = nobody guest only = yes You need: public = yes If you don't want to be prompted for a password. I recommend you remove all the guest stuff, since you'll never get a login as nobody. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] Oooh, I'm vibrating! That'd be my sister. -TongMaster -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Compile errors with Gnome orbit packages
On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 10:22:47AM +1100, Simon Wong wrote: lonewolf: /usr/local/src/gaim-2007 $ locate orb/orbit.h /usr/include/orbit-1.0/orb/orbit.h lonewolf: /usr/local/src/gaim-2007 $ locate ORBitservices/CosNaming.h /usr/include/orbit-1.0/ORBitservices/CosNaming.h Try CFLAGS=-I/usr/include/orbit-1.0 make. Is there some path or something I need to set? P.S. Ximian packages on Debian Potato. Bad voodoo. Get them off. Run, don't walk. (In all seriousness, it took me 3 months to get rid of the Ximian crap and fully unbreak my system after I first removed it all, which may go partway to explaining why I love KDE so much, but hey, it has awesome technical merits, too. But that discussion's Not For Here). -d -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] seeS dark: I was going to start the Linux Penguin system standards (and World Domination for seeS) organisation -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] irc.slug.org.au, aka simak.openprojects.net
Hi all, Some of you have heard me rant about this on #slug, but now it's getting serious. Don't use simak.openprojects.net (aka irc.slug.org.au). Why not? It's broken broken broken broken. Not that badly, the main problem is connectivity, tho it is randomly dropping some clients. It dropped out five times in the last hour due to connectivity sucking, and we're not sure what's causing it to drop clients, but we're definitely working on it (it isn't the highest on our list of priorities tho). So, please don't use simak.openprojects.net. I recommend the following other Australian OPN servers, in this order: * brin.openprojects.net (Brisbane) * jordan.openprojects.net (Perth) * huxley.openprojects.net (Melbourne) Thanks. I'll keep you posted as we work out what's up with it. DanielS, OPN admin and proud Melbournian. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] luca aaronl, i have this site you should see... aaronl lemme guess, goatse.cx? luca how did you know! msg17592/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
