[SLUG] OT but I was ROTFL
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[SLUG] think you know your distros
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Re: [SLUG] Debian Vs SuSE ?
|Nope - I asked it for a 'server' install - thats the only option it gave me - then it dumped 4GB+ onto my nice new laptop (this was over =12 months ago - the first DVD release of SuSE - things may have improved). | |The only way I could get to an actual package selection was to use YaST V1 (t he text based one). | |YMMV You're getting poor milage (aren't you metricated yet?) then, because various classes of install were definitely offered to me in both Yast1/2 for both 7.0/7.1. If you think about it, they would exclude a large proportion of the market if they insisted on trying to install 4 GB (and failing halfway running out of disk space) for *everybody*. Like 95% of the people who report "compiler bugs", it's usually pilot error. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Samba mounts and authentication
|BTW Ken, I have lost my address for LIAS, can you give me the server |address again please. http://lists.linux.org.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] dhcpcd dhcpd problems on RedHat 7.
What do you want dhcpd (not dhcpcd) for? Do you have other boxes (Windoze) you need to assign addresses to? Secondly, I'm on BPA. When my linux box boots, it claims it brings up eth0, eth1 then bpalogin without a problem, but I cannot access the internet. What I have to do is "ifdown eth0", "ifup eth0", then stop and restart bpalogin. I've mentioned this on the bigpond linux newsgroups but haven't had much luck from them getting help either. bpalogin writes via syslog into /var/log/messages so have a look there to see what it didn't like the first time. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] DOS end of lines w/- tomsrtbt
echo foo | sed 's/$/|/' | tr '|' '\015' assuming | doesn't appear in the text. Or maybe some control character that doesn't confuse ash. Works for me with ^A. alas, no tr on tomsrtbt...deeply depressing What version of tomsbtrt is this? I seem to remember he adopted busybox and tr should be a trivial function to implement. Yes, I'm quite sure tr is in busybox, at least the version in floppyfw. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] DOS end of lines w/- tomsrtbt
I'm using a reasonably receint one. But to be sure I just tried the latest on aarnet. It has busybox but not tr. busybox has multiple personalities. Try ln busybox tr and see if tr will work. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] DOS end of lines w/- tomsrtbt
So this week's lesson was making and using a tomsrtbt. The idea being that they could practice using the commands and utilities wherever they and also mount a DOS floppy to practice using an editor. Also you should look into whether the editor already has a DOS mode where things are written out with CR NL line ends. vim does: set ff=dos. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] DOS EOL in tomsbtrt
Hector, BTW, to do it in awk:
$ echo foo | awk '{printf "%s\r\n", $0}' | od -bc
000 146 157 157 015 012
f o o \r \n
005
There's more than one way to do it (in Unix).
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Re: [SLUG] DOS end of lines w/- tomsrtbt
|Unfortunately the usual sed s/$/x0d/ text.unix text.dos |adds only literal x0d's to the line endings with tomsrtbt's sed. :( | |Also, the thing with the C-V C-^ RET produces a nice looking ^M's but |tomsrtbt barf's on them. bash$ echo foo | sed 's/$/^M/' | od -bc 000 146 157 157 015 012 f o o \r \n 005 That ^M was typed in as C-V C-M. The trick is to quote the sub command in sed. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Ripping files out of an RPM
|sadly lacks... so is it possible to rip individual or |selected files out of an RPM and then manually |shuffle them to the correct directory?? cd sometempdirectory rpm2cpio foo.rpm | cpio -idmv You can also give a regex to cpio. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Silly eth question.
|I have seen lots of cards around from lots of different companies. |I know that a while ago every company used to mark their cards with |the mac address, I dont know why they dont do that anymore. Cost cutting. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Silly eth question.
| Cost cutting. | |buhahahaha, you gotta be kiddin` |a flimsy piece of sticky tape with a few numbers on it? Obviously you have no idea these things are made. The PCBs are assembled by machine. The surface mount compoents are deposited on the PCB, the larger chips held in place with dabs of temporary glue, solder paste is deposited at the pads and the whole things is put under high temperature to melt the solder and make the joints. The NIC then goes into another station where the MAC address is written into the serial EEPROM automatically. This can be done insitu, the NIC controller chips have a feature where you can program the EEPROM and then disable further access to it by writing a particular location of the EEPROM. Now if you wanted to put the MAC address and bar code on a sticker, you'd need another machine to print and attach the sticker. When you are a Taiwanese manufacturer turning out these things for $10 each (the other $10 goes to profit and middlemen), an extra 20c makes a difference. Look, some of these mfrs don't even give you a floppy, they expect that the driver will be already with the OS, or you get it from their web site. If you pay for a name brand like 3Com or Intel you will get a sticker. Sysadmins with a bar code wand can read the product code and MAC address into their assets database. But forget any idea of trained gorillas putting stickers on the cheap models. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] porting serially
|If you need to get a small file from one RH6.2 machine to |another, and can't use networking, floppy, Zip etc |but have a null modem, how do you pipe data into/out of ttyS1? Try kermit. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Seg fault due to swap file
Vim: Caught deadly signal SEGV Vim: Double signal, exiting Close error on swap file Segmentation fault (core dumped) Any ideas why? Bad block in the swap area? No that would be the vim swap file. Transient memory error or maybe an alpha particle hit a memory cell. Unless it gets to be a habit, don't worry about it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: Talking of headers [was] Re: [SLUG] Spam - how to handle it.
Having just looked at the headers for this (replied-to) message, I note that the headers are bigger than the body. Isn't that spam? It still costs download. Can they be cut down? Isn't this a problem with all email, and getting worse as list management header proliferate; I have yet to see a mail client other than my beloved Pine, that actually recognises list management headers. What do you mean by "recognises list management headers"? All the mail clients I use (and I wouldn't bother with any that don't) hide the headers I don't want to see, but I can still see them with one command if I wish to. As for headers body in size, unfortunately this is the way it is now. Surely you are not suggesting that people write more just so that headers = body? :-) Anyway, unless you are in a bandwidth limited situation like E. Timor, one graphics rich web page 10 emails. And don't get me started on HTML mail. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Lazarus... whistling innocently.
I'm sorry, but Free Pascal just brings on those images of hippies running over hills, through long grass... worse than normal Pascal. Nah, original Pascal is a B+D language. (B+D = Bondage and Discipline) :-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Making a floppy firewall with floppyfw
Basically I have downloaded the floppy image and dd'ed it to a floppy (note 1.44M DOS) but this base system is setup for an ether interface on Actually syslinux. both sides of the firewall as its designed for a cable connection. *** This base system boots fine and a nice Linux system in RAM is created *** BUT I need to add a PPP module. There are contributed ppp modules which are to be placed in a packages directory on the floppy. You can see the packages directory on an ls of the floppy but I can't copy the ppp.o module into there as the ppp.o modules is 130k and there is no space left on the floppy. QUESTION 1: anyone familiar with this package to tell me how you add contributed modules when there is no space to put them? Toss out some of the network driver modules you don't need, that will make space. Also some of the masq modules could go if you don't need them, e.g. if you don't want IRC, toss out ip_masq_irc. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Getting a kosher gcc for Redhat 7
It gave me an error message that prompted me to try to update my gcc given that I'm still running the dodgey one that came with RH7.0 "out of the box". Try kgcc. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Control vs. Caps Lock
I'll invoke history to prove my point: The shift lock (caps lock is smart, shift lock just upped everything... What more do you expect from a lever?) on typewriters was above the shift key. You clicked it in, and then hit shift to disengage it. Of course, it only feels unnatural to me because I'm a PC101 Intel weenie. History is bunk. Look at what the evidence of your hands tells you. How often do you invoke ctrl and how often capslock. Then look how far the native ctrl key on the PC keyboard is from the a key. Look at the angle of twist your left hand has make with the native ctrl key. Basically from an ergonomic point of view IBM got this one wrong. Perhaps they were extrapolating from the Selectric keyboard. Or maybe they were expecting few uses of ctrl with early PC apps. One of the first things I do with a new Linux setup is swap capslock and ctrl. Some people even go further and map capslock to ctrl, i.e. no capslock left. I'm beginning to think that makes sense too. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Spam - how to handle it.
I received a dunny-load of spam today (more than normal), and was wondering how other users handle it automatically. Get a new email address. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] 3Com 509B Options
|The default settings for this module seems to be 10baseT as seen when |doing a insmod. | |Any ideas of the module options string in conf.modules | |options 3c509 ??? None should be used. The 509 is one of the few ISA cards where the driver can autodetect the card settings. In fact, applying an option can prevent the driver from running. |BTW The ISA card does work when configure for 10BaseT , I just need to |get it to use the BNC To change the card settings, use the 3c5x9cfg program from 3com's web site (DOS program, in a "disk" of config and diagnostic programs), or use Donald Becker's Linux program. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Wierdness - or maybe I need sleep
Assume we have two machines, A and B, running the same version of Linux. A is a workstation, B is a server (with Samba share for the Mrs) On A, user 1 has a UID of 500, user 2 has a UID of 501 On B, user 1 has a UID of 501, user 2 has a UID of 500 When user 1 goes to B:/home/user1, all files are owned by user1:users. When you TELNET to B from A, user1's files are suddenly owned by user2 ? When the file was created on B:/home/user1 from A, the uid given to the file was 500. Remember that the filesystem only stores numbers, no names. As long as you work on the machine you created the file on, you're ok. Now you go to B and do a ls. The uid is 500 and this displays as user2 using B's /etc/passwd (or equivalent). -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
|Who upgrades on a mass basis? And the littleness |gives peope more desk space. ;) | |They also shouldnt be bad linux boxes. | |I have no gripes with inbuilt stuff when you |get such a size difference. Certainly home |machines benefit from upgradability though. | |I wouldnt buy such a thing. But they suit |our needs well. I have a thin client box, fanless, that has an onboard 8139. There would be no way to achieve the small size and fanlessness without integrating the NIC. Works fine. As NIC chips have become commodity items, you're going to see more integration. It wasn't so long ago that an addon 16550 serial board costs as much as a NIC now. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
|Onboard? Run away, run away! | |I highly recommend having as much off the motherboard as you can - they |always come back to bite later anyway. A network interface is less of a |problem than a sound card or whatever, but it's always good to be able to |pull out a problem. :) Nah, they're fine. Usually there's a BIOS option to disable the NIC. Would you recommend always having serial and parallel interfaces offboard? They work fine. You don't have a choice these days anyway. The usual problem is that up till recently up till recently most mobos with integrated NICs were mediocre. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
|1. Is anyone having problems with 1 or 2 8139 cards in the same |machine? |2. The Intel seems to be a very popular choice - would it be worth |investing in (I know worth is relative but the difference is 128meg |of ram g). For the use you envisage RTL8139 is fine, just make sure to get the latest version of the driver as problems have been reported even recently. The 8139 isn't *that* bad a NIC, certainly heaps better than the PCI NE2000s. Donald Becker's main gripe with it is that it requires 8-byte alignment of transmit packets which costs an extra copy in general. I wouldn't use it on a fileserver though. My favourite inexpensive NIC is the MX98715, which is a Tulip clone and sold under the label Skymaster 10/100 here. It's about $20. I haven't seen it incorporated on motherboards though. The Davicom 9102 is another Tulip clone I have seen on one or two integrated mobos. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Linux quietly finding its way into NZ business
http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,653432a1982,FF.html Hope this is true on this side of the Tasman too. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] another opinion, by LWN, on the Allchin FUD
http://lwn.net/bigpage.php3 Summary: M$ goal is not to try to outlaw free software but to try head off government support for free software. Fix: do "a better job of talking to policymakers". Something badly needed here too. Note, communication not raw advocacy. Or speculation. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] That somewhat theoretical problem.
|Not disputing that you need gotos in general but couldn't you just put |return(ret) where you have goto currently at the expense of more code? | |That would break the "one return point per function" rule... I think your goto solution is uglier than this arbitrary rule. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Read A:
If your kernel doesn't have DOS filesystem support you can still use mtools, just install the package. Mtools does userland interpretation of DOS filesystems, doesn't require the kernel to do it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] That somewhat theoretical problem.
|On the other hand, I think I have encountered one of Schneider's rare |instances where you *have* to use a GOTO; if I'm right then it's |not all *that* rare. All programs with GOTOs can be converted to equivalent programs without GOTOs if you are allowed to use extra state flags. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] $0.02 worth
Jason's suggestion if implemented by Governments would benefit large companies such as Microsoft. Under this regime individuals or small companies producing free sofware would be liable for bugs and after a few class action suits (eg against sendmail and apache) those persons and their software would be gone. What would be left would be those companies that could afford insurance. You cannot require a warranty of the provider if there is no consideration in exchange. "I left the source on my server and you fetched it. Your problem if it doesn't work." This thread is degenerating into speculation. The best thing is to laugh it off and then get back to work. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Microsoft Obsecurity - World's Most Secure Server FAQ
http://www.bbspot.com/Features/2001/02/obsecurity_server.html OT but funny satire. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] ants eat big companies
http://www.smh.com.au/news/0102/17/business/business1.html From today's SMH business section, an extract from Ken Auletta's book book: World War 3.0. Last paragraph has Idei, CEO of Sony, commenting that Linux is one of the hordes of ants threatening dinosaurs like M$. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] now this is the way to respond to Allchin
http://lwn.net/daily/e-smith-olive.php3 ROTFL. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Open Groupware Project
http://www.ogsproject.org/ Mentioned in /. Aims to create open equivalent to Notes or Exchange. Looks like a good project to support. More power to him. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Unix Giga-Party
| ...and whilst you are at it, some of you younger ones might wish to put | the next important date in the diary: | date -d "1970/01/01 utc + 1$(printf "%0.10d" 0) sec" But as I pointed out in a similar thread long ago, decimal numbers mean nothing to computers. While you'll be celebrating, the flip-flops in your computer will not. You should really be investigating interesting moments involving powers of 2. Something like the Unix 2^30-Party. :-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Unix Giga-Party
| But as I pointed out in a similar thread long ago, decimal numbers mean | nothing to computers. While you'll be celebrating, the flip-flops in | your computer will not. You should really be investigating interesting | moments involving powers of 2. Something like the Unix 2^30-Party. :-) | |Whose gonna party? Your transistors or you? | |Hmmm ... maybe geeks should be looking forward to the binary |millenium in the year 2048 ;) You're thick. I partied for both 2000 and 2001. :-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Unix Giga-Party
|I think you all have your priorities wrong. You should be looking up |excuses (like you need one) to party tonight, tomorrow, day after |tomorrow etc etc ad infinitum (spelling correctors will be persecuted) |not in 9mths, X years etc.. That's what I mean by powers of 2. We could have "clock bit 12 changed state" parties. :-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Rebel Code, by Glyn Moody
http://www.penguin.co.uk/Book/BookFrame?0713995203 You can access the first three chapters from here. Appropriately enough, the publisher is Penguin Books. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] rcp problem
|I just installed TurboLinux on one of my home network machines. My other |machine runs Redhat 6.2. I tried to rcp to the new machine and got the |following message: | |stty: standard input: Invalid argument You probably have a stty in your .bashrc. It belongs to .bash_profile. Substitute appropriate filenames for other shells. The principle is that a stty invocation belongs in a file that's executed for interactive logins not one that is run for all connections. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Make failing
|I am trying to compile a program called 'wv' (Word Viewer). The configure |runs fine but the make fails with: | |Makefile:360: *** missing separator. Stop. | |anybody got any clues for me? I have read the Readme and Install notes and |cannot find anything reffering to this error. There is an error in Makefile.in. That line in question should start with a TAB, not 8 spaces. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] M$ recruitment attempt
http://www.it.fairfax.com.au/software/20010212/A21446-2001Feb12.html?tn Love what the LUV said in their statement in the last paragraph. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] M$ recruitment attempt
|Any Penguinillas out there in search of a job? I'm sure we could |cobble together some support from within the ranks of various LUG's |to help the new MS recruit 'monitor' his or her progress through Mmm, mole fantasies aside, the cold truth of working for a large corporation, whether it be M$ or otherwise, is that you have to put up with a lot of bureaucratic silliness. From the outside we like to think of M$ as a single evil entity. The reality is that it's another big company where often the left arm doesn't know the right arm is doing; and there are pockets of intelligence (e.g. their research arm, which is seldom publicised but I'm sure is busily patenting all kinds of future stuff), and a lot of mediocrity. Just like any large organisation. Good luck getting someone inside to have an interesting time, let alone have enough clout to change things from the inside. I think the bottom line is the place to convince "them", whoever them might be. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Printing and SCSI Stuff
I guess i will need to fork out then. Anybody got an old scsi card they dont want ? Know where i can get a good PCI one that works with linux and wont cost an arm and a leg ? The Tekram 315 is supported (by the 395 driver) and about $40-50 at markets. I've got a spare Adaptec 1542 somewhere in the box if you are interested. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] ssh advisory
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-02-10-010-20-SC-SW There is a hole in classic ssh and openssh 2.3. Best advice is to upgrade to openssh 2.3. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] US SuSE President Says Views Were Misrepresented
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-02-08-002-20-NW-SS The sad part is Fairfax IT took an already misrepresented story in LinuxGram and condensed it to "Linux doesn't work". Always be wary of journos. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] problem about installing modem in redhat 6.2
|When after installing internal modem( conexant softk56 Data,Fax,RTAM = |PCI Modem), I employ minicom to test, the procedure is listed followed: Sounds like a winmodem. Does the box say something like minimum system requirements Pentium 100, Win3.1 or Win95, etc? If so no way. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] [catgeek] linux install workshop 24Feb01 10am
|We do want to attract people to have a look and to get SLUG |members to attend and help. $50 would "kill -9" that :-) Tsk, using hardwired numbers instead of symbolic constants. "kill -KILL" :-) But yes, $50 is "a bit" too much. Probably 4 would be right. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Etherboot question
|At the moment I am stuck. |the ROM image loads from the floppy, it gets an IP address and starts |downloading the the kernel via tftp then it reboots. | |I have run mknbi on a kernel I am already using to boot from floppy and |mount root via nfs so I am pretty sure the kernels ok. | |Any ideas about what is going wrong, or how I can get a better idea of whats |going wrong? | |Its an intel eepro100 NIC btw. What version Etherboot are you using? There was a bug in older versions where the eepro100 hardware was not disabled at the end of tftp loading so was still live and liable to crash the machine when packets came in and overwrote parts of the kernel in memory. If you are not using the latest or close to the latest version (4.6.12, 4.7.18), you should be flogged with wet noodles. :-) You don't have to compile it yourself, you can get ROM images made on demand using the web form at http://rom-o-matic.net Followups set to Etherboot-users mailing list. You should join this list or be flogged with... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] You get the weirdest email when you...
I think this satire came at just the right moment. http://satirewire.com/news/0101/linux_quit.shtml -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] You get the weirdest email when you...
|- Forwarded message from Holly Lindsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "If we can't beat them, try to get them to join us?" Hahaha, we won. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Next meeting date?
And to be brief - having more activities depends on people being willing to take on the role of organising and running these activities, and assisting others if you can not take a major roll. In the case of a SIG meeting it shouldn't take more than one responsible person present to facilitate. Assuming that using the room is ok with UTS. The tea/coffee is not essential. Organisation can be minimal, if a talk is deemed essential, you could have a rule that if nobody volunteers to speak, then that meeting is not on. Or you could just have informal chit-chat. Or some other arrangement. The point is not to make a rod for one's back by insisting on unnecessary procedure. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] MetaSLUG [Was: SLUG Activities]
|We've discussed SIGs a few times now, and each time came to the conclusion |that 'splitting' SLUG would lead to bad things. By SLUG you mean the mailing list? |Dude! Rock out! :) Thanks heaps for offering - perhaps we should have a |little Debian fest (read: Come over and we'll show you wtf the point is) to |kick it off. | |Everyone else: Is this a dangerous idea? Are new lists and new SIGs |worthwhile? I don't think it's a dangerous idea at all to have a SIG. People will gravitate to fora that interest them so why get in their way? I'm not so keen on new lists, but again I wouldn't argue for stopping people doing that. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: Interest in a Debian SIG [Was: [SLUG] MetaSLUG [Was: SLUG Activities]]
|At present, the setting of sweeping views of Sydney Harbour by night, |Jeff and myself sitting a darkened room lit only by the glows of our |Debian systems, leaves me feeling a little bit less comfortable than I |like to be. Easy way to find out: Ask people to mail you if they are coming, divide the number by two, and if you have a quorum, go for it. Otherwise declare it dead due to lack of interest, and we'll all know whose fault it is (all those people who say they want a SIG but don't really want to turn up). At least it won't be said that you didn't try. Look, in the early days of SLUG, we had attendances of half a dozen at times. That didn't discourage us, we knew we were onto something. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] upgrade your bind8 to 8.2.3 at least
http://www.securityfocus.com/frames/?content=/templates/article.html%3Fid%3D144 http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-01-30-016-06-SC Packages for most distros are available. Maybe it's time to for me try djbdns. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] upgrade your bind8 to 8.2.3 at least
|(djb programs, written by Dan Bernstein of Qmail fame, are most definitely |not GPL'd, btw) Sure, never were. The main issue with binary distribution that Dan doesn't want anybody changing the behaviour or layout. This makes precompiled packages difficult but not impossible. Whether that's acceptable or even moot to a sysadmin using it to run a service is up to you to decide. http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/dist.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] upgrade your bind8 to 8.2.3 at least
|I wonder if this was what took down M$ the other day. No, according to the report. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Linux Online Interviews: Banrisul Linux- ATM project
http://www.linux.org/people/banrisul_english.html ... Besides the reduction in costs for Banrisul, the government of the State instructed us that any computer programs that could be substituted by open source software (Linux, Star Office, etc.) should be done immediately. This is a policy as well for Banrisul, government agencies, school districts and others. They also sponsored the First International Forum on Open Source Software (http://www.softwarelivre.rs.gov.br/). ... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] inetd.conf query
I agree that the machine has been compromised, thus my queries, but there was nothing more that I could find than what I have already reported. These symptoms do not seem to match anything that I have read about Ramen's footprint. I have searched www.cert.org and reported it to them as well. Dennis Do a "netstat -l -n" and see what ports are open. (Mainly high ports, ie, 16000) Rootkits sometimes replace netstat and ps to hide their execution. Try lsof. It's also worth doing a rpm -Va (or the pkg equivalent) to see what files have been tampered with. Assuming they haven't started replacing rpm also. A find for setuid root binaries is also worthwhile. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: linux.conf.au diary
i notice you had trouble finding parking. go to the large car park accessible via gate 14(?) on barker st. the top two levels are $4/day. I think the price has gone up since you last used it. It's $8 for all day. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ethernet card
| Im using red hat 6.2 and KDE | the box is a generic duel PIII 800 | the ethernet card is a kingston KNE110TX and I'm trying to use the | "tulip" driver | |Surely for such a nice machine you can get a nice shiny Intel 10/100 network |card and save you some trouble? The Tulip is a good hardware design, better than the Intel one IMO. It's just that one needs to have a fairly up to date driver. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] How to force
| # rpm --erase openssh-server-2.1.1p4-1 | Shutting down SSH daemon:[FAILED] | service sshd does not support chkconfig | execution of script failed | # Try --noscripts. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] The origins of vmlinuz and mgetty
|TTY: Yes, teletype. I have used these beasts as the serial console in the |dark ages. They were current loop interface, though, not RS-232. I think the |name "tty" for the serial device stuck though as the Bell Labs people |probably liked the TLA. |Teletypewriter services are still offered by some organisations however you |get a serial terminal / computer, not a clunky electromechanical teletype. |I think if I were designing the interface from scratch, I might have called |it /dev/ser rather than /dev/tty, but then I never worked for Bell. Back in those days CRT terminals cost as much in $s as a PC now. To emphasize the possibility of migration, one terminal manufacturer (Lear Siegler?) advertised their terminals as "glass teletypes". Basser CS Dept at the U of Sydney had a lab of printing teletypes, albeit dot matrix and not hammer mechanism. Later this was supplemented by Telerays. Vi? That was in the future. There were a couple of full-screen editors, but students were taught an enhanced version of ed called em, for the reason that everybody had to share a VAX 11/780. Nowadays you have more CPU power on your desktop. The other thing to remember is that we didn't think of the dichotomy between serial and parallel interfaces that much. The Centronics interface really became popular only with the advent of the IBM PC. Another fossil name from that period is the parallel port: /dev/lp. Teletype you could say, ok that sounds like what it does, allows you to type remotely, but line printer? Not many people have seen a real line printer, with hammers, print chains and all that. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] The origins of vmlinuz and mgetty
|ge = generic perhaps? | |generic tty? | |m for modem? | |modem generic teletype No, just modem get teletype. getty was already an established process name on Unix. It's the process that sits waiting for a keystroke indicating a user wanting to login. Back in those days it even did autobauding on serial lines. Then it exec'ed login which would validate the user and exec a shell. When the shell exited, init would notice this and start another getty on that line. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Computer Literacy in Schools
|I believe groups such as SLUG owe it to the community to make political |stands on computer literacy. Probably a non-controversial thing that SLUG can do is create a mailing list or even host a web page for it on the SLUG server, if someone is willing to put up their hand for it. If it concerns schools, there's already a mailing list for this: Linux in Australian Schools [EMAIL PROTECTED] which I am the list owner of. Go to http://lists.linux.org.au to subscribe. This just means I get bounce reports, I don't moderate or anything. There is no web page, but I'm totally happy for someone to put up their hand to be webmaster. I agree with what you are proposing; it's just that a discussion on this may not be what other SLUGers want to read on this list. PS: Instead of writing "I believe X owes it to Y to do Z", write: "I will do Z because I believe in L". This is more likely result in action instead of talk. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] The origins of vmlinuz and mgetty
|I'm glad I asked the question. | |Are there any books or docs on the boot process? As well as i386 I use a |mklinux computer; vmlinuz seems to be on the host system as well as |on the linux partition; the boot process seems to metamorphose as it |proceeds. I stand back in awe-ful admiration and wish I knew what was |going on. Yes, yes, I can google, but a little direction might help. | |Nick Not that I'm aware of. You can pretty much derive the necessary workings of a bootstrap loader from first principles. The main task of a bootstrap loader is to get all the kernel's bytes into memory at the desired addresses and then jump to the start address. The complications are in the details. Some complications are due to the awful PC architecture and some are inherent. Addresses: Obviously you want the loader to be small to maximise the memory available to load the kernel. That's why LILO uses addresses from 0x9-0x9. Unfortunately when disk-on-chip devices came out, they decide to put some drivers there. So coders had to make a special version of Linux that expects the kernel parameters in the 0x8 segment and use a specially configured LILO. Disk reading: Linux drivers are not running when LILO boots so it must rely on BIOS routines for disk reading. Unfortunately some idiot in the past decided that 10 bits would be enough for the cylinder field in the BIOS call, hence the infamous 1024 cylinder limit. With recent BIOSes and LILOs extended BIOS calls are used. Kernel parameters and environment information: The kernel needs to know about the environment, e.g. what display is connected, and also receive parameters from the user. The complication in the x86 PC architecture is that BIOS calls are only available from real mode. The kernel runs in protected mode so is not able to (easily) make BIOS calls. So a separate code segment (setup.S) collects this information and leaves it where the kernel can access them. However when video cards that can take away memory from the top of the available range came out, it became necessary to provide a loadable module (agpgart.o) that informed the kernel the video card would be taking the top X MB of memory. Loader format: Any format that specifies what's in memory is ok but it should be no more complicated than needed so that the loader does not have to do things like resolve symbols, which requires keeping a lookup table. Since the kernel is all of one piece with no unresolved symbols, that's no big deal. However there is the aforementioned setup segment. x86 kernel images also have a floppy boot sector at the beginning, originally there so that the kernel could be copied raw to floppy disk and it would boot. Unfortunately some pieces of information are stored near the end of the block, e.g. root device, video mode. Compression: Compression helps shorten loading time trading off a slight delay at boot up while decompressing. In x86 kernel images it's done as a small decompressor prefixed to the kernel binary. Ramdisk: Ramdisks are extremely useful. The Linux kernel has provision for loading ramdisks itself, which means you have to pass parameters to tell it which device it's on and the offset on the device. It can also expect the ramdisk to be preloaded by the loader (e.g. LILO, Etherboot) and then you have to tell the kernel where in memory it is. Network loading: Network loading introduces another limitation and that is there is no random access device to seek on, the image comes as a stream of bytes. This means that the loader format should have sufficient information (usually a roadmap at the beginning of the image) to guide the loading of the rest of the image. Booting from other operating systems: Loadlin loads the kernel image from DOS and non-PM Windows. It has to undo a lot of the setup that Windows does, e.g. flush caches, unload memory managers, before it can load Linux. Again, it has to move itself out of the main memory area where Linux will be loaded. For implementation reasons, loadlin simulates the effect of setup.S and doesn't actually run it. CPU architecture: Fortunately not all CPUs require such ugliness. Others don't have the real/protected segmented/flat mode braindamage. (The 8086 architect should be whipped with lots of Thai chilli noodles.) On some CPUs it's actually so straightforward that you wonder why all the drama with the x86 is needed. Linux BIOS: There is a project to run Linux directly after booting. Just load the kernel, go straight into protected mode, jump into Linux and let it initialise all the hardware. It can boot Linux really fast, currently you often see the BIOS take longer to initialise hardware than Linux takes to boot. One drawback is that you need the coperation of the motherboard manufacturer. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] The origins of vmlinuz and mgetty
|i came to think that peraps m stands for MIT, or alt. someones name |like Michael etc. Not MIT, the author was a German, Gert Doering. His name, possibly, but it would have to be a middle initial or his mother's name or maybe even his site muc.de. People do name things that could possibly be a references to themselves, kind of a sly attempt at immortality. The French discover of gallium said that he named it after France (Gaul), but his name was LeCoq (Gallus) so it's suspected he wanted to sneak his name into the periodic table. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] The origins of vmlinuz and mgetty
|Kinda like that crazy Linus guy! Yes, but remember at first he wanted to call it Freax until his friend disuaded him. What this says about what he thought of himself then you can conjecture. :-) Ok, maybe this thread is starting to stray. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] The origins of vmlinuz and mgetty
"vm stems from the vmunix that sun used to use the z is from the compressed images that we now have since the expanded kernels have trouble being loaded at boot time into a 640K restriction (before you get the extended memory manager running)" Extended memory manager? You still have DOS on the brain, Jeff. 32-bit code has no problem accessing memory beyond 1 MB. gzip compressed images don't make more memory available, so they don't overcome the 640kB memory limitation per se. To load above the 1 MB mark you need bzImages. Note: many people think the b stands for bzip. It doesn't. It stands for big. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] The origins of vmlinuz and mgetty
Yes, but the part of LILO that is running when the kernel is initially loaded into memory is only 16-bit, and it runs in Real-Mode (so it can use BIOS io routines), hence you live within a 20-bit address space, and you can only access the first 1MB of RAM. This has since been addressed with changes to LILO and the addition of bzImage (big zimage) support. It's not true that 16-bit code cannot load memory beyond 1 MB. It can, using BIOS calls intended for exactly that. In any case there is no "extended memory manager", either in LILO, or in the kernel. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Resend: Bigpond Cable
|That should be fixed, when I get home, But also I wish to tackle the USB |Network card problem *IF* its not too difficult, just wondering if anyone |had the SMC EZ CONNECT network adapter and able to get it working under |linux, smc have no info on their site, that I can see. Someone suggested that since BP prices all adaptors the same, inspite of the fact that the USB NIC costs more retail, just tell the techo to get it working with a cheap PCI NIC that you supply and keep the USB NIC for other uses. The techos certainly don't care. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] ATI Rage 128 Howto
http://avis.lightband.com/david/rage128-howto.html I don't have one but a friend passed this on to me so I pass it on for what it's worth. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] CRLF to LF conversion
|I should know how to do this but how can I convert a stack of files |from CRLF to LF format? You'll get lots of answers suggesting recode, sed, tr, vi, perl, etc, but my favourite is a program called flip, which you can find in Usenet archives. Why a specialised tool for what seems to be a simple job? flip, and links to it called toms, and toix gets these things right: Handles CR NL, NL CR, and other odd situations like text CR text CR NL correctly. Retains mod times of files. Warns of non-ASCII characters in files before attempting conversion. I think perhaps only recode is equally thorough. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Email Server
qmail's smtpd via inetd is inefficent, making you use the author's silly tcpserver thing (which is just as bad IMO). More cruft to install. :/ tcpserver is a godsend, and not at all cruft. Logging via IP, and defining exactly what can and can't connect is a Good Thing[tm] IP filtering is your protection and IP access logging layer. And *NO* high performance system should ever run out of a inetd/tcpserver style system. You're introducing unnecessary overhead, and this *WILL* force your load up every time. This is a furphy. qmail can run standalone also. With IP filtering and logging too. I won't comment on the other points. Some have some basis, some just come down to personal preference and adaptability. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Qmail Anyone?
| /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox I can/have changed it back, but, any after any changes to qmail's domain = info (ie, using qmailadmin web based thing) will reset it back to its = former self, the "/home/vpopmail/bin/alanlee". I am using the latest = version fo qmail (1.03), and the qmailadmin tool is version 0.26e. I = Sounds like the qmailadmin tool is getting in your way. Hack it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] help pls - Building RPMs from source
1)copied src.rpm to /usr/src/RPM/SRPMS/ 2)in term cd'd to that directory 3)rpm -rebuild foo.src.rpm and I get the error message " rpm: arguments to --root (-r) must begin with a /" Well for one thing, you probably need --rebuild (two -'s), otherwise it's treated as -r. See how that goes. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Security-enhanced Linux available at NSA site (fwd)
(before anyone gets too worried, there are already 42 network drivers in the main kernel tree owned by the NSA :-) You don't have NSA and NASA (former employer of Donald Becker) confused do you? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] the Linux year in review
http://www.lwn.net/2000/features/Timeline/?month=all What an eventful year it was. May Linux reach wider and higher in 2001. Happy holidays all! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] NSA vs NASA
I think you are referring to this copyright statement, in e.g. wd.c: Copyright 1993 United States Government as represented by the Director, National Security Agency. I guessing that's a formal statement required in all source released by NASA. Donald Becker worked at NASA, not NSA. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] printing in Mandrake from Star Office 5.2
I've tried all sorts of configurations for the spadmin program as well as hand editing Xpdefaults and i've come to the conclusion that it must be a software incompatability problem between CUPS and star office 5.2, because I even loaded up RH6.2 onto a spare HDD and installed so 5.2 and had no problems printing. CUPS say on their web site that if you are having trouble see your Distributor, SUN want $19.95 US for any help and Mandrake say it is all possible, and it works well, so that leaves me with KWord and a group of "Win" freaks laughing (even though they paid ove a grand for the software that they are using). If any one is able to help I'd appreciate it. Break it down into steps. What happens if you get SO to write Postscript to a file and then print that file through CUPS? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] NSA vs NASA
It would appear that it is only the base skeleton of the driver for which the copyright is being claimed by the US Govt thru NSA: * Base Driver Skeleton: * Written 1993-94 by Donald Becker. * * Copyright 1993 United States Government as represented by the * Director, National Security Agency. Lots of files written by Donald Becker have this notice. Anything written by him while he worked at NASA belongs to the US government and all the US taxpayers, according to their laws. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] mutt
I'm also lead to believe that my mutt configuration is allowing me to type out very lengthy lines. Rather annyoing for the recipients. Is there a setting I should be using or just stop typing excessive long paragraphs? Yes. The Enter key. :) Failing you not having one, the fmt command with vim is nice. :) If vim is your editor, you could call this script as the mail editor: #!/bin/sh exec vim "+set digraph" "+set wrapmargin=8" $* digraph allows you to create accents. To reformat a paragraph, do gq} or in general gqrange which is an internal fmt. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] pklinux (4 MB RAM) seen on freshmeat.net
Somebody was looking for a distro to run in 4 MB RAM but with a HD, maybe this is for you then: http://www2.linuxpakistan.net/pklinux/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot
My opinions on ease of installation: 1. Linux can beat Windows anyday on ease of installation if the vendors want to. Observe StarOffice's install. Most developers don't go to this length, unfortunately. Geeks can always continue to use make, the command line installer, etc. Nobody is going to take that away from you. 2. Beyond that, gettng apps to cooperate needs work. Linux desktops are getting there. 3. Dan's points about training after install is very valid. It's often not the install, but what next. But... 4. The desktop is still not friendly enough. We need more information appliances. There's this surfer box called the Netgem with Linux embedded. You wouldn't know it if you hadn't spotted Tux on the box though. Plug it into your cable modem, and go (well there are a couple of fields to fill in the config form). Has an embedded mail program and web browser. Simple, but sufficient for quick tasks. This is the sort of thing grandmothers will want to use for email. Forget Lookout, forget Eudora, forget Nutscrape, those are just too hard. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot
Anyone can be trained to use WIMP. Anybody can be taught to use a shell. Anyone can type in a command. They just have to be taught. Yeah sure we can train you to add up rows of numbers, but do you want to? Now if you are talking staff who use computers, maybe they should learn more than WIMPs, but if you are talking about a digital artist who just wants morph a photo, why should she learn shell? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot
She shouldn't. But no-one is born with the ability to use these beasties. No matter whether it's shell commands, using morphing tools Well this supports Dan's point about post install training. I think you are in the minority over WIMPs where *ordinary people* are concerned though. I like CLIs for most things but one way that WIMPs are easier than CLIs is reducing the recall burden, i.e. what command can I use. Why do you think mutt and pine need to put a cheat bar on the screen? A pull-down menu is a nice reminder. Although with awful UIs this problem has just been changed to what menu do I need to pull down. This doesn't necessarily mean users are more productive with WIMPs, witness travel agent systems with their highly optimised keyboard commands. It just means there is a potential for people to be less stressed with WIMPs. Unfortunately WIMPs have been made as complex as CLIs now. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Older i386 looking for buff firewall. Must know how tohandle bad packets...
Paul Gortmaker got it down to 896 kB I think. That URL is now broken. This is mentioned on your links page (and Paul Gortmaker seems to have vanished, Google turns up about 3 mentions of him I think). Been meaning to ask if you knew how he went about this? Was this a fully functional version of Linux (including networking stuff I'm mainly thinking about), or something more restricted like ELKS? It was a standard Linux, but it was 1.2 something I think and he applied all the memory saving patches he could to slim it down. It was a mine is smaller than yours sort of contest. However this sort of game does have educational purposes. Embedded Linux is one area where memory footprint matters. However these days the emphasis is on smaller libraries and executables, e.g. ulibc originally from the uCLinux project, and busybox (swiss-army-knife utility) from the Debian installation disk. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Checking a CDR
What is the best way to check a burn on a CDR. It seemed to stop quicker than I expected, but it mounts OK and the listing looks OK, but I would like to know that the files are OK. I guess what I am looking for is fsck.iso9660 but no such beast exists. Suggestions? There are different ways depending on how thorough you want to be: File level check: diff -r /mnt/cdrom /top/directory/of/archive (You may get complaints about TRANS.TBL not found in disk directories.) Block level check: cmp /dev/cdrom /tmp/isoimage -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Multisession CDs
If I have a CD-R to which I have burnt multiple sessions, how can I get the system to mount an earlier session instead of defaulting to the most recent? Under Windows one of the CD-Burning apps added an option so I could right click on a drive letter and select a session - but I don't know the linux equivilent. There's a utility or kernel patch can't remember to read multi-session CDs. Try freshmeat.net -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Are distro's no longer supporting 486's
I did notice speaking of no longer supported hardware that redhat 6.2 didn't detect my ISA network card, and as a consequence wouldn't set it up. Well not automaticlly anyway. This is kind of poor in my opinion. It depends on what network card it is. Some network cards like the lousy NE2000 and clones are too dangerous to autodetect and require at least an I/O address to be specified. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] email list
any thought who would host a email discussion group for a non-profit org? My year at uni want to have an email list to stay in touch. This is our final year and we are looking for a host for this any suggestions are appreciated Try egroups.com if you don't mind your submissions being archived on the web (mail addresses suitably spam mangled, don't worry). You have to put up with banner and signature ads though. A couple of free software projects I know use egroups. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Older i386 looking for buff firewall. Must know how to handle bad packets...
Ive got an old 386 machine - an SX I suspect thought I dont know for sure - w ith 4meg ram, 20mge hdd, 5.25" and 3.5" floppy drives, ega 8-bit soundblaster You'll need 8 MB RAM at least. card. I want to make this machine into a firewall for an up-coming cable or a dsl connection. It doesnt have to run any web proxy or mail server or squid cache - just firewall between outside and inside. 1. Now, can you make a linux install on a 20mg drive on a 386 which will do this? - and what distro is best suited for this? 2. What networking cards should I get? (ISA? PCI? - assuming there are enough slots for each...) Hah, you won't find PCI slots on a 386 mobo. 3. Where can I get these cards from? At markets you can get old ISA cards for $3-5. Get a WD/SMC they're good. 4. Will doing this increase my Internet latency much if at all? 5. Since the box doesnt have a cd-rom drive - would it be best to install off floppies or do a network install? 6. Is there anything else I will need that I havent mentioned? Try www.zelow.no/floppyfw, a one floppy firewall distro. You can disconnect the HD and 5-1/4 drives' power connectors. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Older i386 looking for buff firewall. Must know how to handle bad packets...
cannot handle any more ram chips and I don't want to spend a heap of dosh on new chips for such old equipment. So can Linux really handle a 386 sx with 4mb ra m (stable with decent uptime).. or have I found my first myth untruth about Linux? heck Id been looking forward to seeing Linux run on the old box. Mate, you'll need 8 MB to run a firewall. If you can't put more SIMMs in the box, come around and I'll give you an old 386 box. Linux does run on a 386, but you do need enough memory for the task. With 4 MB you could a few pico sessions maybe, not firewalling. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Older i386 looking for buff firewall. Must know how to handle bad packets...
Linux does run on a 386, but you do need enough memory for the task. With 4 MB you could a few pico sessions maybe, not firewalling. Why not? For firewalling all you really need (minimally) is an adequately configured kernel. syslogd maybe if you want to log it. The kernel will take up anywhere upto 1-2meg depending on how beefily you configure it, so that leaves 2-3meg for other stuff. Or am I missing something fundamental? You need enough memory to hold the ramdisk and to run the utilities that configure the firewall, and have enough left over for the packet buffers. Also as the ramdisk is often compressed to fit onto the floppy, you need enough memory to run bunzip2 or gunzip. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Older i386 looking for buff firewall. Must know how to handle bad packets...
But, what if Aaron were to somehow 'install' a floppy-based distro to his 20Mb HDD? Has anyone tried doing anything like this before? Might work. Dunno. Shrug. One of the advantages of the ramdisk is that it's silent and not prone to mechanical failure. Another is that you can make the floppy r/o so if you suspect the firewall's been interfered with, just hit the Windoze, I mean the reset button. Well, actually I'd check to see what was interfered with first. But if you are just running it as a packet filter with no logins or user accounts, there are no hooks they can latch onto to modify the installation. The machines behind, maybe, depending on how careful you were with the rules. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Older i386 looking for buff firewall. Must know how tohandle bad packets...
I'm sure North Rocks guys must have some 30 pin SIMMS around. http://www.woa.com.au/linux/lists/surplushardware.html#ram I believe Aaron said he couldn't fit more SIMMs in. Probably one of those mobos with 4 SIMM sockets only. You could install 4 MB SIMMs but that would cost more. As I said, there are lots of 386 boxes with 8 MB to be had for the asking, unless Aaron is really attached to the idea of recycling *that* box. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Older i386 looking for buff firewall. Must know how to handle bad packets...
make the floppy r/o so if you suspect the firewall's been interfered with, just hit the Windoze, I mean the reset button. Well, actually I'd check to see what was interfered with first. But if you are just running it as a packet filter with no logins or user accounts, there are no hooks they can latch onto to modify the installation. The machines behind, maybe, depending on how careful you were with the rules. If nothing was being logged would it not be possible to mount the HD read only? Yes, but remember this ro is a mount option. whereas the floppy write protect tab is a hardware protect and cannot be bypassed by doing a mount -o remount,rw. You could I suppose disable HD writing by flipping the appropriate jumper on the drive, if it exists. Booting off a CDROM is another way. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Older i386 looking for buff firewall. Must know how tohandle bad packets...
Small Linux at http://smalllinux.netpedia.net/ will boot with only 2MB RAM ! (we lived in a shoebox and had to eat gravel...) Any bids for 1Mb? Do I hear 640k? Going once, going twice... Paul Gortmaker got it down to 896 kB I think. That URL is now broken. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] parking for the meeting
Buy an oldish car in a crap colour and don't leave anything valuable in the car. Most car breakins are for mobiles/change etc rather than to steal the whole car. Sorry, even that doesn't work. I have an old car in a crappy colour that I leave unlocked cos there is nothing of value in it.. so they trashed the inside anyway. If you think you can win, forget it. Of course, you could walk. but don't wear fancy trainers. Those thieves are really dumb or stoned. I heard a story of a victim who left his driver side window down so they wouldn't smash it---nothing of value in the car. They jimmied the lock on the other side of the car anyway. Take the train or bus. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
