[SLUG] (no subject)

[john]

Hi there
 

Just wondering if you can help me out 
here.
 
I have installed virtual email accounts on linux, 
its receiving the mail ok, but i cannot log into the pop accounts to recieve 
mail.
 
I think it has something to do with pop-3
 
Cheers
 
John

[SLUG] lca2004 Sydney-Adelaide-Sydney transport

[john]

Hi,
 
My wife and I are going for the lca2004 
conference/partner package. We're going to drive down on Tuesday 13th starting 
in the early hours (2am) and arriving approx. 6pm. We'll be reversing the 
procedure on Sunday 18th.
 
If there's a couple that wish to share the driving 
and petrol, please let me know by calling me on 
04 1983 0078.
 
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Re: [SLUG] PDA phones ? Try a customisable open source Linux phone with GPS ..

[John]

Hi Sonia,

They say its quad band GSM so I think it should.

640 x 480 resolution as well!

J

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>
> They've been on sale since early this year ~US$3-400.00,
> preferentially to software developers. Follow the links ..

I don't know much about phones, etc - do you think they'd work on the
Australian mobile networks? I'd really love to have an equivalent to
procmail for incoming phonecalls/sms's :-)

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[SLUG] ubuntu 6.10 hangs on shutdown

[John]

Hi,

I've got two old laptops (HP/Compaq & IBM TP) running 6.10 and neither of
them will completely shutdown/power off. They hang right at the final point
with the Ubuntu logo and black background.

They were both fine with 6.04.

Is this a bug?

TIA

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[SLUG] Re: ubuntu 6.10 hangs on shutdown

[John]

If at first you don't succeed, Google some more :-)

type:
SUDO GEDIT /ETC/MODULES

add a new line with the following statement:

apm power_off=1

then save and reboot, and voilá! the computer shuts down correctly.

J
On 11/15/06, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi,

I've got two old laptops (HP/Compaq & IBM TP) running 6.10 and neither of
them will completely shutdown/power off. They hang right at the final point
with the Ubuntu logo and black background.

They were both fine with 6.04.

Is this a bug?

TIA

John


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[SLUG] System boot hanging at "Running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local)

[John]

Hi list,

As the subject says my system hangs at this point. /etc/rc.local only has
"exit 0" in it.

I can ssh into the machine, thankfully, but what can I do to stop it hanging
at this point, please?

TIA

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Re: [SLUG] System boot hanging at "Running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local)

[John]

Pedro,

Thanks for your interest.

I sorted it thanks to Hamish Grieg. The system was fine but the inittab had
all the tty's hashed out.

It must have been something I did a while ago. The interesting thing is why
it didn't present a problem earlier.

J

On 11/18/06, Penedo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 18/11/06, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi list,
>
> As the subject says my system hangs at this point. /etc/rc.local only
has
> "exit 0" in it.
>
> I can ssh into the machine, thankfully, but what can I do to stop it
> hanging
> at this point, please?


If you can ssh into the machine then it means that the sshd daemon was
startted successfully.
Which brings the question of "what do you define as "hung"?
Maybe all that happens is that you don't get a login prompt. Have you
tried
other virtual consoles (ALT-F)? When you ssh into the machine - can you
see getty or X server processes? What other processes do you see and what
do
you find in the log files (/var/log/...)?

And BTW - what distro is it? What hardware and what did you change just
before it started "hanging"?

Just a few things to check...

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[SLUG] Transferring servers (binaries, libraries configs etc) from old hd to new raid1

[John]

Hi List,

I was running an ata hd on the dmz which I've removed (before it finally
dies) and replaced with 2 brand new drives which I've set up as a raid1
array.

The old hd is 2.4.18 Debian Etch. The new raid1 is 2.6.17-10 Debian Etch.
(Both are identical from the viewpoint of apt-get update, upgrade,
dist-upgrade)

The partitioning on the old hd:
hda1 /boot
hda2 /
hda4 /var
hda5 /tmp
hda6 /home
hda7 swap
hda8 /usr

The partitioning of the 2 new drives (in situ):
hda1 /boot
hda2 raid
hda4 swap

hdb1 /boot2 (A spare boot partition. I read somewhere that it was a good
idea)
hdb2 raid
hdb4 swap

md0 /

I've read numerous howtos (incl. Jamie's) and tried a number of times by
setting the old drive up as hdc but all have failed and I'm getting nervous
about how long the old drive will last.

Q. How do I transfer all the servers from the old drive to the new raid1
array?

TIA

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Re: [SLUG] Transferring servers (binaries, libraries configs etc) from old hd to new raid1

[John]

Thanks for that insight. It's certainly relieved the pressure of loosing the
old disk.

However, if I just "find . -print | cpio -pmudv /" the raid1 array will be
overwritten with the old system while the servers, binaries configs etc are
copied over, surely.

e.g the fstab of the old system is totally different to the one on the raid1
array. There's also the matter of kernels; 2.4 to 2.6.

Q. Is there an easy way to only copy the relevant files or copy everything
except the files that'll break the new system?

John

On 11/29/06, O Plameras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


John wrote:
> Hi List,
>
> I was running an ata hd on the dmz which I've removed (before it finally
> dies) and replaced with 2 brand new drives which I've set up as a raid1
> array.
>
> The old hd is 2.4.18 Debian Etch. The new raid1 is 2.6.17-10 Debian
Etch.
> (Both are identical from the viewpoint of apt-get update, upgrade,
> dist-upgrade)
>
> The partitioning on the old hd:
> hda1 /boot
> hda2 /
> hda4 /var
> hda5 /tmp
> hda6 /home
> hda7 swap
> hda8 /usr
>
> The partitioning of the 2 new drives (in situ):
> hda1 /boot
> hda2 raid
> hda4 swap
>
> hdb1 /boot2 (A spare boot partition. I read somewhere that it was a good
> idea)
> hdb2 raid
> hdb4 swap
>
> md0 /
>
> I've read numerous howtos (incl. Jamie's) and tried a number of times by
> setting the old drive up as hdc but all have failed and I'm getting
> nervous
> about how long the old drive will last.
>
> Q. How do I transfer all the servers from the old drive to the new raid1
> array?

Suggested steps:

1. Configure by setting hard drive jumper selector so that the old drive
is recognized as /dev/hdc;
so you have old /dev/hda1->(transforms to) /dev/hdc1(/boot);
/dev/hda2-> /dev/hdc2 (/ )
/dev/hda3->/dev/hdc3 (You have no /dev/hda3 ?)
/dev/hda4->/dev/hdc4 (/var)
/dev/hda5->/dev/hdc5 (/tmp)
/dev/hda6->/dev/hdc6 (/home)
/dev/hda7->/dev/hdc7 (swap)
/dev/hda8->/dev/hdc8 (/usr)
Your new drives remains recognized as you indicated above,i.e,
/dev/hda -> /dev/hda
/dev/hdb->/dev/hdb
2. Re-Boot your OS.
3. mkdir /old.drive
3.a cd /old.drive
3.b #for i in boot var tmp home usr
  do
 mkdir $i
 done
3.c cd
4. mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt
4.a. cd /mnt
4.b. find . -print | cpio -pdmuv /old.drive/boot; cd
4.c. umount /mnt
5. mount /dev/hdc2 /mnt
5.a. cd /mnt
5.b. find . -print | cpio -pdmuv /old.drive; cd
5.c. umount /mnt
6. /dev/hdc3 (You have no /dev/hdc3)
7. mount /dev/hdc4 /mnt
7.a. cd /mnt
7.b find . -print | cpio -pdmuv /old.drive/var; cd
7.c umount /mnt
8. mount /dev/hdc6 /mnt
8.a cd /mnt
8.b. find . -print | cpio -pdmuv /old.drive/home; cd
8.c umount /mnt
9. mount /dev/hdc8 /mnt
9.a cd /mnt
9.b find . -print | cpio -pdmuv /old.drive/usr ; cd
9. c umount /mnt
10. At this stage all your data from the old drive are in /old.drive.
Providing you don't format your new drives the old data is now
imaged in /old.drive.
11. Then, do
#cd /old.drive
#find . -print | cpio -pmudv /
12. Reboot your OS and test.

You can put many of the above steps in a script, if that's what
you want.

Hope this helps.

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Re: [SLUG] Course

[John]

Grandville TAFE runs various Linux courses.

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I am looking to under take a Linux course to get started I have used it
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recommended a course and tafe. I am located in Sydney around the
Fairfield area.

Thankyou,

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[SLUG] Gnome WeatherApplet

[John]

Hi,

Is there a reason why I cannot get the BoM radar map to show in the Gnome
WeatherApplet after I input the url into :preferences:general:?

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Re: [SLUG] Gnome WeatherApplet

[John]

Thanks John. It helps if you use the right url :-)

J

On 12/13/06, John Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 10:03:40 +1100, John wrote:

> Is there a reason why I cannot get the BoM radar map to show in the
Gnome
> WeatherApplet after I input the url into :preferences:general:?

It works for me.  The URL I'm using is:

http://mirror.bom.gov.au/radar/IDR033.gif

(for Sydney).


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Re: [SLUG] PDA: nice, cheap, not windows; Calendar software.

[John]

There's always OpenMoko at http://www.openmoko.com/ due out in early 2007.

On 12/17/06, Sonia Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


* On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 11:51:58AM +1100, Nick Urbanik wrote:
> Any suggestions?  Or should I just come up with a better paper system?

I use a Palm Treo 650, after years of using older Palm Pilots - nice.
Only problem I'm having (which I haven't had time to solve) is syncing
under Ubuntu Edgy. Worked fine under previous Ubuntu's, not now :-(

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Re: [SLUG] change raid1 configuration

[John]

Marisa, if you do a search of the archives there's a good 'howto' with a
subject header of "Debian RAID-1 installation" which should put you on the
right path.

HNY
J

On 12/31/06, Marisa Lopes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Dear friends,

By mistake, i created a linux raid1 volume with only one disk. Now,
when i try to add another device with "mdadm -a /dev/md0 /dev/sdb1",
it adds sdb1 as a spare.
Is there any way of change raid configuration to support 2 raid-
devices without recreate a new array volume?

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[SLUG] Gnome session/panel error

[John]

Hi list,

I did an update of my Ubuntu/Edgy system last night and now I find my logon
goes into a loop with "I've found another panel already open so I'll exit"
comment!

I've searched for a solution but I'm obviously not using the correct key
words as nothing helpful eventuates.

I've tried logging in on 'failsafe' but that doesn't get me any further
except I see another error message briefly about Gnome session daemon.

I can login as another user without this occurring.

Any help or direction much appreciated.

TIA

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Re: [SLUG] Gnome session/panel error

[John]

Jeff,

I even checked with ps -A and killed the exact number of the gnome-panel,
stopped gdm and restarted but no change.

It just continues to briefly show my desktop before a black screen and then
the login welcome again.

J

On 1/14/07, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




> I did an update of my Ubuntu/Edgy system last night and now I find my
logon
> goes into a loop with "I've found another panel already open so I'll
exit"
> comment!

Try running 'killall gnome-panel' at a console before logging in.

- Jeff

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[SLUG] e-mail content filter

[John]

Hi list,

I've just had someone try and send me an e-mail with a .zip file attached
containing a .exe file.

It was rejected and an automatic message sent back to the sender explaining
the situation.

This is great you'd suppose but it isn't the way I'd like this to happen.

What I'd like to happen is the message be accepted, quarantined perhaps, and
a message sent to me allowing me to decide whether to allow it and take the
risk.

I've search the various config files on the server; postfix,
courier-maildrop, amavis, clam etc. without finding where this is set up.

A signpost would be appreciated and any suggestions as to how I might
achieve my desired configuration.

TIA

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Re: [SLUG] e-mail content filter

[John]

I am not a good interpreter of log files but a search of the mail.log came
up with the following line which would appear to be relevant:

amavis[3692]: (03692-04) Blocked BANNED (multipart/mixed |
image/jpeg,.exe,.exe-ms,FTLINK40.jpg), [ip number] 
-> , quarantine: banned-A53A50k3vlJk, Message-ID: <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, mail_id: A53A50k3vlJk, Hits: -, 3
9533 ms

which would tend to suggest that its amavis doing the rejecting but I'm not
much closer to objective.

J

On 1/23/07, Oliver Hookins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 1/23/07, Matthew Hannigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Someone recommended dspam -- but www.dspam.org
> is old and been claimed by some squatter/exploiter.
>
> Time to laugh or cry...
>

http://dspam.nuclearelephant.com/

...if you are a real masochist.
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Re: [SLUG] e-mail content filter

[John]

Yes, I know we tried that. Eventually we got round it by renaming the .exe
.jpg and gmail accepted it - amavis didn't though!

Dave, does mailzu require an SQL database? The documentation of mailzu would
seem to indicate that one isn't neccessary. I don't have one installed at
the moment so I'd prefer to avoid setting one up if I could.

J

On 1/24/07, Phil Scarratt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


John wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> I've just had someone try and send me an e-mail with a .zip file
attached
> containing a .exe file.
>
> It was rejected and an automatic message sent back to the sender
explaining
> the situation.
>
> This is great you'd suppose but it isn't the way I'd like this to
happen.
>
> What I'd like to happen is the message be accepted, quarantined perhaps,
> and
> a message sent to me allowing me to decide whether to allow it and take
the
> risk.
>
> I've search the various config files on the server; postfix,
> courier-maildrop, amavis, clam etc. without finding where this is set
up.
>
> A signpost would be appreciated and any suggestions as to how I might
> achieve my desired configuration.
>


This probably doesn't help...gmail does that - as in rejects zip
attachments with .exe in them.

Fil
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[SLUG] ip address for mobile/pda

[John]

Hi,

Does anyone know if this is possible?

J
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[SLUG] Re: ip address for mobile/pda

[John]

I should have said static ip address, sorry.

On 1/25/07, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi,

Does anyone know if this is possible?

J


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Re: [SLUG] Re: ip address for mobile/pda

[John]

You guessed correctly that my interest is in push email (from a Postfix
server). I gather its possible from an MSExchange server on some mobile
networks.

On 1/25/07, Martin Visser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


John,

Still not enough information - what platform and for what purpose?

However, yes I would say that any device that supports dynamic IP
address assignment (through DHCP, GPRS or PPP or the like) should also
be able to be configured with a static IP address. However being a
mobile device that address needs to be reachable on whatever network
you happen to be on at the time - so it's usefullness may not be
there.

That said,  Mobile IP for IP version 4 , and IP version 6 natively,
allows IP traffic to follow you wherever you are. But generally
requires a bit of infrastructure at your "home site" and possibly your
network service provider.

This is pretty difficult in practice, which is why most mobile email
solutions effectively still use a "pull" model - where the client
needs to find the server (and often try to keep the server connection
open so it can perform the "push" for email that your application
really wants).

Regards, Martin

On 1/25/07, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I should have said static ip address, sorry.
>
> On 1/25/07, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Does anyone know if this is possible?
> >
> > J
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Re: [SLUG] Brand new user

[John]

You're trying to start a flame war, Alan? :-)

There are 2 that I'd recommend - Suse and Ubuntu. Probably in that order.

J

On 1/30/07, Alan L Tyree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have a person who is ready to convert (Hallelujah!).

I have seen so many new distributions lately - has anyone got views on
what the best beginner's dist might be?

Cheers,
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Re: [SLUG] Brand new user

[John]

Well you'll certainly get good support from SLUG for Ubuntu.

I found SUSE the best for install and go for wireless etc. Ubuntu (my
mileage) still needed a lot of fiddling.

The next Ubuntu 7.04 may be a little more flexible as its incorporating a
number of commercial drivers etc. but that subject is for another flame war
at another time :-)

Good luck.

J

On 1/30/07, Alan L Tyree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:31:15 +1100
John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You're trying to start a flame war, Alan? :-)

I hoped that by restricting to beginners that the war would be avoided!

>
> There are 2 that I'd recommend - Suse and Ubuntu. Probably in that
> order.

Thanks for that. I have used Ubuntu but not Suse. Since I will be
supporting (that's the problem with getting a convert - it's like
saving someone's life: you are responsible for them for evermore) I
might lean to Ubuntu.


>
> J
>
> On 1/30/07, Alan L Tyree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I have a person who is ready to convert (Hallelujah!).
> >
> > I have seen so many new distributions lately - has anyone got views
> > on what the best beginner's dist might be?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alan
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu NetworkManager

[John]

And I found that it wont work unless you have dhcp serving addresses.

But with no setup (see above) in /etc/network/interfaces, dhcp and the
correct driver it works a treat...now!

J

On 2/11/07, Sridhar Dhanapalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Peter Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ubuntu NetworkManager: Wow!  I don't recall the last time I saw a more
> useless manual page, and the web site linked to the About box it just as
> useless.  Not a single mention of how it works, what it does, what files
> it consults.  The "Just Works" goal is laudable, but when it
> consistently gives the same wrong answer ("no networks available") it
> would be nice to have a teensy weensy *hint* on how to fix it.

If you haven't already, you need to disable all of the network interfaces
except for lo in /etc/network/interfaces.


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Re: [SLUG] Using Ubuntu in an Internet cafe problems!

[John]

If you do a search of the archive for "Ubuntu NetworkManager" it'll explain
it all, I hope :-)

J

On 2/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi all

I'm travelling over in Sydney at the moment and have been trying to get
my Dell 640m laptop connected to the network in Global Gossip internet
cafe in Kings Cross. I'm running Ubuntu 6.06 on it. It connects well
when I boot up into Windows XP, everything as it should be. Finds the
Global Gossip wireless network, you then open the browser and it
defaults to the www.moreways2pay.com website where it asks for your
membership details from where you can start using their internet
connection.

In Ubuntu however it doesn't work, it finds the wireless connection or
the hard LAN connection, but never connects to it, I contacted the admin
of the cafe and he said he could see my MAC address on the network and
that it had been assigned an IP but for some reason it's not connecting
properly.

Apprently there was someone running Redhat in here before and it was
working so it must be possible.

If anyone has any thoughts I would really appreciate the help, thanks
very much! :)

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[SLUG] Open source document/content management system

[John]

Hi list,

I have a real live project to handle and I'd like to do it using an open
source solution. The o/s is MS, unfortunately.

My challenge is to come up with a user friendly solution that'll store
various policy and procedural snipits that have been used in the past for
management, project, marketing manuals as well as documents to satisfy
various iso standards which in a lot of places are duplicated and/or hard to
find or search for.

The governing directive is that these snipits be easily edited/updated and
be able to reform as the original documents and be capable of forming new
manuals.

I hope I've stated the case clearly but feel free to query.

Your suggestions/comments will be gratefully received.

TIA

John
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Re: [SLUG] Open source document/content management system

[John]

Alfresco certainly looks impressive and its concepts fit well with the other
software architecture my client is currently using.

Thank you everyone for your valuable input.

On 4/12/07, Sonia Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


* On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 02:12:04AM +1000, Craige McWhirter wrote:
> There are a number of content management systems that can do this but
> the simplest method is probably via the already suggested Alfresco.
> Alfresco is a document management system. There's a number of handy
> features such as revision control, document checkout's, access control
> lists, etc.
> 
> If you are after a content management system that can be edited online
> and form manuals on the fly, the "collaborative books" feature of
> Drupal, a php based CMS, is really well suited to online, collaborative
> document authoring.

You may also want to consider Drupal over Alfresco if the scope of the
project is likely expand in future - Drupal has large number of modules
that to extend it's functionality.

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[SLUG] adsl2+ modem

[John]

Hi List,

This has probably been discussed before but I'm sending this from my mobile
so browsing the archive isn't an option.

I'd like to know of an ADSL2+ ethernet modem (no firewall or bells and
whistles) that is capable of iptv. I gather Netgear is not capable of iptv.

TIA
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[SLUG] Moving o/s' around

[John]

Hi list,

I'd like to change my os of choice to Ubuntu again (long story) but retain
the Winxp setup that I have by running it as a VMware image on Ubuntu.

This would seem to be possible using a live linux CD, create an iso file of
a Winxp installation/partition on another hard drive and then load it once
Ubuntu has been installed.

I'm long on concept but short on howto. Am I talking out of my hat?

TIA.

John
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[SLUG] Old computer equipment - Sun & x86 in Turramurra

[John]

Hi All,

I'm relocating overseas and clearing out my computer gear.

I have a number of Sun boxes, Ultra 5 x 2, Ultra 1, Sparc 4s, 5s, 10 etc.
plus 1 Sun screen various mice, keyboards, memory, hard drives, cards etc.

I also have a SparcServer 1000 with 2 blades and an Enterprise Network
Array, fibre cards connectors etc.

There are a couple of pentium 3s in tower cases plus screens. Plus lots of
bits and pieces.

An old Compaq laptop (Pentium 3 500, I think)

An HP laserjet 2100.

Network cards, wireles access points etc. etc.

If anyone is interested in the lot, great. (no cherry picking) If not its
all going to the tip.

Thanks

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Re: [SLUG] Linux newbie questions

[John]

Hi Rod

Your problem might be specific to StGeorge BPay,
because I've been able to run StGeorge Internet
Banking using Firefox 0.7+ on Slackware 9.1 and 10
using Sun's JVM v1.4.2. And I am almost certain that
I've used the BPay functionality as well ...
(almost)... Anyway, 
java applets run fine on Linux, but is dependent on
your JVM - and certain applet (e.g. mediaplayers)
relay on Java API wrapper of an Win32 DLL (e.g. from
Windows Media Player) in order to run.

The JavaScript is generally in my experience more a
matter of poorly implemented code on the web
developer's part (and as they only test the code using
IE, a 'more compliant' browser would not execute the
code) - which is a browser issue rather than Linux
issue as such. Trouble could also be generated by
'document.all' - see also for info:
http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=5063

At any rate, ask the Macquire Uni developers to fix
their code! :)

Alternatively you can download Wine and run (an old
version of) IE, although the Wine installation process
is a bit 'clumsy'. But it does work reasonably well,
i.e. I used Wine to run ATO's eTax program - worked
amazingly well.

Cheers
Jboz

 --- Rod Butcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Hello, I'm new to Linux so my questions will be a
> bit basic for a while. 
>   First, I can do anything I could do on Win2k
> except logon to StGeorge 
> Bank BPay (Java applet doesn't allow Linux) and
> MacQuarie Uni eStudent 
> system (combination of Javascript and possibly CGI
> validation won't 
> accept Linux browser) - before I start raving about
> conspiracies, are 
> there any known technical reasons for this ? Or just
> lazy designers ? 
> Where are we in Oz re. this ? Secondly, are there
> any technical benefits 
> (e.g. performance, stability)  to compiling my own
> apps vs installing 
> precompiled binaries ? I recompiled Perl to 5.8.5
> and some fairly 
> complex Perl-Gtk2 apps (such as Mandrakes's package
> manager) seem to 
> work instantly now, whereas before there seemed to
> be a slight delay 
> with the precompiled 5.8.3.
> thanks. Rod
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Re: [SLUG] Linux newbie questions

[John]

that would have been maybe one or two month ago, so it
is possible that they've changed it - haven't tried
the system suitability option, but working for a bank
myself (not StGeorge) my guess is that they've put in
the disclaimer to avoid having to support Linux/Unix
users rather than any actual technical reasons. My
wife uses Mac OS X which is a kind of Unix - she does
a lot of banking online with StGeorge without
problems...

The slogan for Java really should have been 'write
once, test everywhere' ... To verify your Java
installation have a look at
http://texturizer.net/firefox/faq.html#q2.2

Hope this helps :)

 --- Rod Butcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> John, how long ago did you get StGeorge Internet
> banking to work ? 
> Because The option to test "System Suitability"
> returns "The Operating 
> System UNIX is not currently supported". So... this
> seems to run 
> contrary to the whole purpose of Java, and appears
> to me to be 
> deliberate. Anybody know any more about this ? As
> far as I'm concerned 
> Java is running in my browser.
> regards, Rod
> --
> Powered by a thunderbird, penguin, gnu and a camel
> 
> John wrote:
> > Hi Rod
> > 
> > Your problem might be specific to StGeorge BPay,
> > because I've been able to run StGeorge Internet
> > Banking using Firefox 0.7+ on Slackware 9.1 and 10
> > using Sun's JVM v1.4.2. And I am almost certain
> that
> > I've used the BPay functionality as well ...
> > (almost)... Anyway, 
> > java applets run fine on Linux, but is dependent
> on
> > your JVM - and certain applet (e.g. mediaplayers)
> > relay on Java API wrapper of an Win32 DLL (e.g.
> from
> > Windows Media Player) in order to run.
> > 
> > The JavaScript is generally in my experience more
> a
> > matter of poorly implemented code on the web
> > developer's part (and as they only test the code
> using
> > IE, a 'more compliant' browser would not execute
> the
> > code) - which is a browser issue rather than Linux
> > issue as such. Trouble could also be generated by
> > 'document.all' - see also for info:
> >
>
http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=5063
> > 
> > At any rate, ask the Macquire Uni developers to
> fix
> > their code! :)
> > 
> > Alternatively you can download Wine and run (an
> old
> > version of) IE, although the Wine installation
> process
> > is a bit 'clumsy'. But it does work reasonably
> well,
> > i.e. I used Wine to run ATO's eTax program -
> worked
> > amazingly well.
> > 
> > Cheers
> > Jboz
> > 
> >  --- Rod Butcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote: 
> > 
> >>Hello, I'm new to Linux so my questions will be a
> >>bit basic for a while. 
> >>  First, I can do anything I could do on Win2k
> >>except logon to StGeorge 
> >>Bank BPay (Java applet doesn't allow Linux) and
> >>MacQuarie Uni eStudent 
> >>system (combination of Javascript and possibly CGI
> >>validation won't 
> >>accept Linux browser) - before I start raving
> about
> >>conspiracies, are 
> >>there any known technical reasons for this ? Or
> just
> >>lazy designers ? 
> >>Where are we in Oz re. this ? Secondly, are there
> >>any technical benefits 
> >>(e.g. performance, stability)  to compiling my own
> >>apps vs installing 
> >>precompiled binaries ? I recompiled Perl to 5.8.5
> >>and some fairly 
> >>complex Perl-Gtk2 apps (such as Mandrakes's
> package
> >>manager) seem to 
> >>work instantly now, whereas before there seemed to
> >>be a slight delay 
> >>with the precompiled 5.8.3.
> >>thanks. Rod
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Re: [SLUG] Linux newbie questions

[John]

Rod,

I had another look at StGeorge last night, and they
have changed it! I managed to isolate the problem to
the JavaScript which manages the installation of the
two JAR files enabling the browser to run StGeorge
Internet Banking. If you look at the HTML source of
the log in screen, you'll find the following
functions:

function startInstall()
  {
  java.lang.System.out.println("Installation in
progress");
  trigger = netscape.softupdate.Trigger;
 
trigger.StartSoftwareUpdate("https://ibank.stgeorge.com.au/install/BrandSigned.jar";,
trigger.SILENT_MODE);
 
trigger.StartSoftwareUpdate("https://ibank.stgeorge.com.au/install/BBBSigned.jar";,
trigger.SILENT_MODE);

  }

The installation process bums out and the
BrandSigned.jar and BBBSigned.jar never get installed,
i.e., JVM fails to load the required classes. If you
right click on the applet, you can bring up the Java
Console and see the exceptions thrown. 

HTHs,
John


 --- John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> that would have been maybe one or two month ago, so
> it
> is possible that they've changed it - haven't tried
> the system suitability option, but working for a
> bank
> myself (not StGeorge) my guess is that they've put
> in
> the disclaimer to avoid having to support Linux/Unix
> users rather than any actual technical reasons. My
> wife uses Mac OS X which is a kind of Unix - she
> does
> a lot of banking online with StGeorge without
> problems...
> 
> The slogan for Java really should have been 'write
> once, test everywhere' ... To verify your Java
> installation have a look at
> http://texturizer.net/firefox/faq.html#q2.2
> 
> Hope this helps :)
> 
>  --- Rod Butcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > John, how long ago did you get StGeorge Internet
> > banking to work ? 
> > Because The option to test "System Suitability"
> > returns "The Operating 
> > System UNIX is not currently supported". So...
> this
> > seems to run 
> > contrary to the whole purpose of Java, and appears
> > to me to be 
> > deliberate. Anybody know any more about this ? As
> > far as I'm concerned 
> > Java is running in my browser.
> > regards, Rod
> > --
> > Powered by a thunderbird, penguin, gnu and a camel
> > 
> > John wrote:
> > > Hi Rod
> > > 
> > > Your problem might be specific to StGeorge BPay,
> > > because I've been able to run StGeorge Internet
> > > Banking using Firefox 0.7+ on Slackware 9.1 and
> 10
> > > using Sun's JVM v1.4.2. And I am almost certain
> > that
> > > I've used the BPay functionality as well ...
> > > (almost)... Anyway, 
> > > java applets run fine on Linux, but is dependent
> > on
> > > your JVM - and certain applet (e.g.
> mediaplayers)
> > > relay on Java API wrapper of an Win32 DLL (e.g.
> > from
> > > Windows Media Player) in order to run.
> > > 
> > > The JavaScript is generally in my experience
> more
> > a
> > > matter of poorly implemented code on the web
> > > developer's part (and as they only test the code
> > using
> > > IE, a 'more compliant' browser would not execute
> > the
> > > code) - which is a browser issue rather than
> Linux
> > > issue as such. Trouble could also be generated
> by
> > > 'document.all' - see also for info:
> > >
> >
>
http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=5063
> > > 
> > > At any rate, ask the Macquire Uni developers to
> > fix
> > > their code! :)
> > > 
> > > Alternatively you can download Wine and run (an
> > old
> > > version of) IE, although the Wine installation
> > process
> > > is a bit 'clumsy'. But it does work reasonably
> > well,
> > > i.e. I used Wine to run ATO's eTax program -
> > worked
> > > amazingly well.
> > > 
> > > Cheers
> > > Jboz
> > > 
> > >  --- Rod Butcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote: 
> > > 
> > >>Hello, I'm new to Linux so my questions will be
> a
> > >>bit basic for a while. 
> > >>  First, I can do anything I could do on Win2k
> > >>except logon to StGeorge 
> > >>Bank BPay (Java applet doesn't allow Linux) and
> > >>MacQuarie Uni eStudent 
> > >>system (combination of Javascript and possibly
> CGI
> > >>validation won't 
> > >

Re: [SLUG] how to wireless

[john]

Don't forget to download the firmware.

J





dave collette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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hi to all 
am newbie  using fc3 have down loaded prism54 driver have got so far
in
install says stuff about kernal tree dont know what to do
help greatly appreciated

ta
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Re: [SLUG] safe(ish) single-login from website

[john]

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Re: [SLUG] Wall-to-wall Windows

[john]

No mention of hardware!?-- 
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Re: [SLUG] OT: managers secretly reading users emails

[john]

Try Brenden.

Brendan Scott
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Re: [SLUG] Accounting/Bookkeeping

[john]

You could look at www.muli.com.au

John






"Edwin Humphries"
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G'day all,

Is anyone aware of a Linux-based bookkeeping or accouynting package - 
one that can conform to Australian accounting and tax rules?

We're contemplating an upgrade to our Quickbooks Pro ($599 - $1,494), 
or cross-grade to MYOB ($596 - $1,494), but we're a Linux company, so 
a Linux solution would be better (and our bookkeeper is reasonably IT 
literate as well!).

Regards,
Edwin Humphries, Managing Director
Mobile: 0419 233 051
Ironstone Technology Pty Ltd
P. O. Box 423, Kiama, NSW, 2533
Phone: +61 (0)2 4233 2285
Facsimile: +61 (0)2 4233 2299
Web: http://www.ironstone.com.au

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[SLUG] debian upgrade killed my amavisd and e-mail server

[John]

Hi List,

I'm having a problem with amavisd-new. My apt-get upgrade broke it (and
my entire postfix/spamassassin e-mail service) and I've tried to sort it without luck and
probably compounded the problem.
Is there anyone with this understanding/ability likely to be attending the workshop, please?

Thanks

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Re: [SLUG] Linux Workshop THIS Sunday

[John]

Hi Chris,



I'm having a problem with amavisd-new. My apt-get upgrade broke it (and
my entire e-mail service) and I've tried to sort it without luck and
probably compounded the problem.



Is this the sort of forum that I'm likely to find help? The issue is on a server so I'd need an Internet connection. 



JohnOn 7/5/06, Chris Deigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
G'day everyone,Sorry for the short notice on this one - in compensation I'm expectingyou all to invite along any friends who may be interested. ;)SLUG's workshop will be a be a fusion of traditional SLUG events -
consisting of a codefest, videofest, installfest and for the firsttime at SLUG, a "deckfest".Doors will open at 9:30am and we'll be rocking on until 8:30pm thatnight in room 02.05.538 (Building 2, Level 5, Room 538) at UTS
Broadway. Entry is through the main tower building, up the escalatorsand through the corridor on the left. Entry is free and open toeveryone.Throughout the day we'll be running talks gearing new users with the
skills and knowledge to go home and install linux, or for those whoprefer, can bring in their computer hardware and be assisted withtheir installation or get help with issues they may be having. Codersare invited to come along, get together and have a fun day coding
together.WHAT TO BRING: If you're coming for the codefest, a computer isessential. A laptop is preferable although desktops can be brought.You'll need to bring EVERYTHING you need for your machine on the day,
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[SLUG] Linux Workshop

[John]

Just a quick thank you to Chris and everyone who made my sons and me welcome on Sunday.Special mention to Bruce Badger for his patient and interesting introduction to all things Squeak and Smalltalk. It fired my eldest sons imagination so much so that he couldn't wait to get home and install it on his new Ubuntu laptop.
A new Linux convert in the making :-)John

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Re: [SLUG] Newcomer

[John]

Hi Roberto,If you go to one of the larger newsagencys,  e.g. Borders and buy Linux Format's August edition for $24.50 it has a full verion of SUSE10.1.I've got it but I have no way of getting it to you, sorry.
John On 7/15/06, Phil Scarratt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Roberto Arias Alegria wrote:> Hello there,>> I'm Roberto from Mexico and I barely have around a month here in> Sydney, I'm going to study at Macquarie University a master in IT, and> I'm also interested in Linux and OSS so I think your group is very
> interesting to me.>> I'm not sure if this is the list for asking for a distribution but if> someone can handle a copy of Suse10, would be appreciated :)>> Bye>> Roberto
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[SLUG] ls -la gives some horrible results

[John]

Hi (as in help) list,I put a spare hard drive into my pc and copied accross some files and directories.I then took the hard drive out and put it into another pc.I then ls -la with the following results!
?-  ? ? ?    ?    ? Data?-  ? ? ?    ?    ? johndrwx--  2 ford$ 1000 16384 Sep 11 17:03 lost+founddrwxrwx---  4 ford$ 1000  4096 Sep  4 16:11 music
Is there any good news or have I stuffed my directory (Data & john) backups?TIAJohn
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Re: [SLUG] ls -la gives some horrible results

[John]

As far as I know the drive is/was mounted/umounted ok.I think I may have found my own solution. I've changed architectures from i386 to sun. I don't know if that would cause these problems but it might. Sun require the 3rd partition to be 'whole of disk' The other thing that crossed my mind is the disk would have a Dos signature rather than Sun.
However, the other directories and files are accessable and useable. Any other ideas?On 9/13/06, Phil Scarratt <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:John wrote:> Hi (as in help) list,>> I put a spare hard drive into my pc and copied accross some files and
> directories.>> I then took the hard drive out and put it into another pc.>> I then ls -la with the following results!>> ?-  ? ? ??? Data
> ?-  ? ? ??? john> drwx--  2 ford$ 1000 16384 Sep 11 17:03 lost+found> drwxrwx---  4 ford$ 1000  4096 Sep  4 16:11 music>> Is there any good news or have I stuffed my directory (Data & john) backups?
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Re: [SLUG] ls -la gives some horrible results

[John]

The drive is on an ultra5 which is pci and ide compliant.On 9/13/06, Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:John wrote:> As far as I know the drive is/was mounted/umounted ok.
>> I think I may have found my own solution. I've changed architectures from> i386 to sun.Sun??? Or do you mean Sparc? The output of "uname -m" should tellyou.If its Sparc (or UltraSparc) then things may be messed up because
Sparc/UltraSparc is a big endian CPU and i386 is little endian.However, SUN do make i386 machines as well.Erik--+---+  Erik de Castro Lopo
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Re: [SLUG] ls -la gives some horrible results

[John]

No not yet. I'm still trying to get everything I can off the hard drive. Once that's achieved its my next step, I guess.On 9/13/06, Phil Scarratt <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:John wrote:> As far as I know the drive is/was mounted/umounted ok.
>> I think I may have found my own solution. I've changed architectures> from i386 to sun. I don't know if that would cause these problems but it> might. Sun require the 3rd partition to be 'whole of disk' The other
> thing that crossed my mind is the disk would have a Dos signature rather> than Sun.>> However, the other directories and files are accessable and useable. Any> other ideas?>
Not really. Have you tried verifying the data again in the originalmachine?Fil
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Re: [SLUG] ls -la gives some horrible results

[John]

Thanks for the thought everyone. I'm encountering other problems with the drive so I think nows the time to take it out of the sparc and put it back into the pc and cross fingers it all comes out in the wash (metaphorically speaking)  :-)
On 9/13/06, Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
John wrote:> The drive is on an ultra5 which is pci and ide compliant.Yes, the drive is OK.The problem is that the OS on the i386  machine and the Sparcdisagree on how data is to be written/read to/from the disk.
So for instance, your user id is a number (run the "id" command)around 1000 (on my machine, I have a user id of 1008). Say theuser id is stored on the disk as a 32 bit number. The i386 machine
writes this as (in hexadecimal 0x03f0) as four bytes :0xf0, 0x03, 0x00, 0x00with the least significant byte first on the disk.The Sparc machine on the other hand reads data as most significant
byte first which results in the user id being read as 0xf003.That is a big problem.Erik--+---+  Erik de Castro Lopo+---+
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Re: [SLUG] ls -la gives some horrible results

[John]

Just to update you all and pass on my thanks; you were quite right it was the missmatch of a Dos hd in a Sparc machine.I took it out and put it back in its normal position and all those horrible ??? disappeared :-) Phew!
JohnOn 9/13/06, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks for the thought everyone. I'm encountering other problems with the drive so I think nows the time to take it out of the sparc and put it back into the pc and cross fingers it all comes out in the wash (metaphorically speaking)  :-)
On 9/13/06, Erik de Castro Lopo <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

John wrote:> The drive is on an ultra5 which is pci and ide compliant.Yes, the drive is OK.The problem is that the OS on the i386  machine and the Sparcdisagree on how data is to be written/read to/from the disk.
So for instance, your user id is a number (run the "id" command)around 1000 (on my machine, I have a user id of 1008). Say theuser id is stored on the disk as a 32 bit number. The i386 machine

writes this as (in hexadecimal 0x03f0) as four bytes :0xf0, 0x03, 0x00, 0x00with the least significant byte first on the disk.The Sparc machine on the other hand reads data as most significant
byte first which results in the user id being read as 0xf003.That is a big problem.Erik--+---+  Erik de Castro Lopo+---+
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[SLUG] Dist-upgrade breaks e-mail

[John]

Hi,It seems that my e-mail server was broken in some way over the weekend while doing a dist-upgrade.It would seem I have no connection to my mailbox in any way using Thunderbird, Evolution, Squirrelmail or Outlook.
Ideas would be gratefully received.TIAJohn
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[SLUG] Re: Dist-upgrade breaks e-mail

[John]

All fixed. Thanks to Dave Kempe.On 9/18/06, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,It seems that my e-mail server was broken in some way over the weekend while doing a dist-upgrade.It would seem I have no connection to my mailbox in any way using Thunderbird, Evolution, Squirrelmail or Outlook.
Ideas would be gratefully received.TIAJohn


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[SLUG] Ubuntu raid

[John]

Hi List,I'm trying to setup raid on an mda. Ubuntu install finds my fc card and presents all 14 sds which I can partition in any way I like but it doesn't seem to give me the choice of picking a partition type. When I come to use the raid setup there are no partitions available with the correct type.
Any help or direction would be appreciated.TIAJohn
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu raid

[John]

Hi Jeff,I'm using the server CD for sparc. I've just downloaded 6.06.1 to see if its any different. I read somewhere that a text install might give me the partitioning options that I think are missing in the version (?) I have. I don't think 
6.06.1 is a text install but we'll see.The frustrating thing is that fdisk would sort this out in a flash but I cannot get at it during the install.The even more frustrating thing is that Ubuntu supports the Qlogic 2200f/66 card (and firmware, it seems) beautifully and I still cannot (at the moment) do what I want to do.
Any + ideas are warmly welcome.JohnOn 9/20/06, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm trying to setup raid on an mda. Ubuntu install finds my fc card and
> presents all 14 sds which I can partition in any way I like but it doesn't> seem to give me the choice of picking a partition type. When I come to use> the raid setup there are no partitions available with the correct type.
>> Any help or direction would be appreciated.Are you installing with the desktop CD or the alternate/server CDs? If youwant RAID and LVM, use one of the latter.- Jeff--
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[SLUG] Spamassassin

[John]

 Hi list,My e-mail isn't getting through to the mail box.Syslog keeps showing bayes: expire_old_tokens: child processing timeout.After Googling I've found a comment that suggests a manual Bayes expire run but doesn't go on to describe how to do it.
Has anyone struck this before and how do I sort it, please?TIAJohn 
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[SLUG] sfdisk - missing in action!

[John]

Hi list,I'm following a 'howto' where it's suggested I use sfdisk.I'm using Debian/Ubuntu and apt-get cache search reports 0. Googling reports a lot of happy users but no suggestion as to why I haven't got it or where I can get it!
Any sign post will be much appreciated.TIAJohn
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Re: [SLUG] sfdisk - missing in action!

[John]

Yes that's what I thought but apt-get install util-linux tells me I've got the latest package. But sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb-bash: sfdisk: command not found!On 10/4/06, 
Michael Chesterton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> Hi list,>> I'm following a 'howto' where it's suggested I use sfdisk.>> I'm using Debian/Ubuntu and apt-get cache search reports 0. Googling reports a
> lot of happy users but no suggestion as to why I haven't got it or where I can> get it!>> Any sign post will be much appreciated.Over at http://packages.ubuntu.com
 and http://packages.debian.orgyou can search through the contents of packages.sfdisk looks to be in util-linux
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[SLUG] Mail (spamassassin?) problems

[John]

Hi list,I am having great difficulty in sorting my local postfix server. DMZ relay is working. I can send e-mail but I cannot receive it.I've included a 'tail' message of an e-mail I sent myself from gmail to my local address. From a previous attempt to sort this problem 
(thanks James Gray) I don't believe the 'unable to find user' is critical.It doesn't seem to make any difference whether I turn bayes auto-learn on or off as this R/W lock problem persists.My 
local.cf is:report_safe 0lock_method flockrequired_score 5.0use_bayes 1bayes_auto_learn 1bayes_ignore_header X-Bogositybayes_ignore_header X-Spam-Flagbayes_ignore_header X-Spam-Status
Thanks for any help.JohnOct  8 11:47:41 local postfix/smtpd[4854]: connect from DMZ[
192.168.1.1]Oct  8 11:47:41 local postfix/smtpd[4854]: BCAD420037: client=DMZ[192.168.1.1
]Oct  8 11:47:41 local postfix/cleanup[4857]: BCAD420037: message-id=<

[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Oct  8 11:47:41 local postfix/qmgr[4785]: BCAD420037: from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=2197, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct  8 11:47:41 local postfix/smtpd[4854]: disconnect from DMZ[
192.168.1.1]Oct  8 11:47:42 local spamd[4833]: spamd: connection from localhost [

127.0.0.1] at port 4519Oct  8 11:47:42 local spamd[4833]: spamd: handle_user unable to find user: 'my_local_email_address'
Oct  8 11:47:42 local spamd[4833]: spamd: processing message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> for my_local_email_address:8
Oct  8 11:47:52 local spamd[4833]: bayes: cannot open bayes databases /var/mail/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: lock failed: Interrupted system callOct  8 11:48:06 localn spamd[4833]: bayes: cannot open bayes databases /var/mail/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: lock failed: Interrupted system call
Oct  8 11:48:06 local spamd[4833]: spamd: clean message (-0.4/5.0) for my_local_email_address:8 in 24.9 seconds, 2184 bytes.Oct  8 11:48:06 local spamd[4833]: spamd: result: . 0 - ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_SHORT_LENGTH scantime=
24.9,size=2184,user=my_local_email_address,uid=8,required_score=5.0,rhost=localhost,raddr=127.0.0.1,rport=4519,mid=<

[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,autolearn=unavailableOct  8 11:48:07 local spamd[4832]: prefork: child states: II


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[SLUG] Edgy au repo 404 not found!

[John]

Hi,Is anyone else having this problem?J
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Re: [SLUG] Edgy au repo 404 not found!

[John]

Sorry but apt-get upgrade edgy au still finds 404s. I've changed my repos to us. Everything's fine.On 10/13/06, Rev Simon Rumble <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:This one time, at band camp, Morgan Storey wrote:
> Just checked now and all good... it has been like this for a couple days> though.Is there a repository included in the "free" download sites for BigPond?I can see the ISOs but can't find a repository.
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[SLUG] Ubuntu wifi challenge

[John]

Hi list,I'd like to challenge someone to get my son's laptop wifi working.I managed to get it done with Suse SLED 10 but I'm finding it impossible with Ubuntu 6.04 or 6.10. That's not to say it cannot be done in Ubuntu, just that I've not managed it. If you're wondering why I want to do this when I had a perfectly good setup in Suse the answer is; I don't like Suse. Although, it impressed me with its "out of the box capability". I'm a Debian and therefore Ubuntu devotee.
By working, I mean having the capability to switch between wireless and ethernet networks (dhcp & static) using either/and/or NetworkManager, network-manager-gnome and laptop-net.The laptop is a Compaq Presario 2100 AMD Athlon.
lspci -v reveals it's an Intersil Corp. Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01) Subsystem AMBIT Microsystems Unknown device!! 0200I'm happy to travel anywhere in Sydney.JohnPS. I almost forgot: 1 slab of beer (as in free) is the reward. :-) 
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu wifi challenge

[John]

I cannot even get it to recognise wlan0! I've tried ndiswrapper, blacklisting orinoco, hermes etc. to no avail.On 10/19/06, Rev Simon Rumble <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:This one time, at band camp, John wrote:>By working, I mean having the capability to switch between wireless and
>ethernet networks (dhcp & static) using either/and/or NetworkManager,>network-manager-gnome and laptop-net.So by "not working" do you mean it currently can talk to wireless
networks but no there's easy way to switch to other networks?Dapper worked out-of-the-box with my laptop, and it's lovely.  ButDapper's network-manager-gnome doesn't have profiles.  Edgy's does.>The laptop is a Compaq Presario 2100 AMD Athlon.
>lspci -v reveals it's an Intersil Corp. Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01)>Subsystem AMBIT Microsystems Unknown device!! 0200Prism is one of the better supported chipsets, so it's unusual that it
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu wifi challenge

[John]

Its the firmware for the inbuilt card I think that's not working or not installed.On 10/19/06, Rev Simon Rumble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:This one time, at band camp, John wrote:>By working, I mean having the capability to switch between wireless and
>ethernet networks (dhcp & static) using either/and/or NetworkManager,>network-manager-gnome and laptop-net.So by "not working" do you mean it currently can talk to wireless
networks but no there's easy way to switch to other networks?Dapper worked out-of-the-box with my laptop, and it's lovely.  ButDapper's network-manager-gnome doesn't have profiles.  Edgy's does.>The laptop is a Compaq Presario 2100 AMD Athlon.
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Re: [SLUG] simple sendmail question (I hope)

[John Clarke]

On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 01:28:54PM +1000, David wrote:

> Where do I find out how to set up virtual hosting for Sendmail - ie,
> several domains on one sendmail server. Is there a simple HOWTO?

It's an FAQ.  See http://www.sendmail.org/virtual-hosting.html.  If, after
reading that and trying it, you still need help, let me know and I'll give
you the details of how I've done it here.

Cheers,

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Re: [SLUG] Sendmail & DNS

[John Clarke]

On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 11:43:51AM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The question is: What option/feature could I include into a sendmail
> configuration that will resolve local machines always using /etc/hosts (or
> an equivalent sendmail db) instead of  attempting to be resolved (wrongly)
> via DNS.

Have you tried "order hosts,bind" in /etc/host.conf?

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Re: [SLUG] Sendmail & DNS

[John Ferlito]

On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 11:43:51AM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Sluggers
> 
> What happened next was that all internal SMTP mail (*nix <--> *nix) and
> (*nix <--> exchange) was failing because their was no DNS lookup
> available.
> 
> Our internal server are NOT included in the ZONE file at optus, but they
> are defined in the /etc/hosts file.
> 
> It appears that our sendmail was always attemping to lookup internal name
> using DNS rather that using the values specified in /etc/hosts,
> irrespective of the settings used.
> 
I'm guessing you're using something like the following

define(`MAIL_HUB', `smtp:smtp.domain.com.au')dnl
define(`SMART_HOST', `smtp:smtp.domain.com.au')dnl

IN your sendmail mc files. or you have
domain.com.au:  smtp:smtp.domain.com.au
in your mailertable file.

The thing is even though you specifiy a host sendmail still trys to do an MX lookup on 
it which would fail if you don't have any DNS. Solution is put square brackets around 
the host name then it will deliver top it directly.eg

domain.com.au:  smtp:[smtp.domain.com.au]


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Re: [SLUG] Pasive mode ftp (ipchains alternative?)

[John Clarke]

On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 06:08:32PM +1000, Peter Rundle wrote:

> box (with etherlink III card now happily working :-) I can't of course
> ftp
> from the Mandrake box to the world. Well I can make a connection but I
> can't do 
> "ls" or "put" or "get" cause of the masquerade. Obvious solution is

Have you loaded the ip_masq_ftp module?

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Re: [SLUG] Using $HOME inside Makefile

[John Clarke]

On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 02:10:56PM +1000, Michael Lake wrote:

> cp backup $HOME/bin
> @echo 'Setting executable status...'
> chmod 750 $HOME/bin/backup
> 
> make install is trying to do this:
> cp backup OME/bin

Change $HOME to $(HOME) or $$HOME

$(var) is the syntax for referring to make variables (or $x for single
letter or symbol variables).  The variable is expanded by make before
passing it to the shell.  make interprets $HOME as $(H)OME, and since $H
has no value, the result is "OME".  You don't have to explicitly set
$(HOME) in your makefile.  make inherits some variables from the
environment, $(HOME) is one of these.

"$$" escapes the '$' and prevents make from expanding the variable.  make
passes a single '$' to the shell.  So "$$HOME" becomes "$HOME".  The shell
then expands the variable.


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RE: [SLUG] Linux as server in Mac environment

[John Wiltshire]

Tom,

The Linux box will act just fine as a PPP dialup machine.  Configured with
ipchains to do NAT, and preferably a caching DNS server and DHCP daemon you
should be able to browse the web quite happily from the Macs (assuming you
get IP over Ethernet going on MacOS 7.x).  You could also run Squid or
Apache as a web cache...

You'll find a little more difficulty getting the Appletalk file and print
stuff going but it isn't too hard, and fortunately is an independant problem
of the internet connection.  Look for the netatalk downloads and HOWTOs
which are around the place and you shouldn't have too much of a problem.
You may want to keep the Mac around as a server until you have that working
flawlessly.

Regards,

John Wiltshire

> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Massey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, 24 July 2000 9:42 pm
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [SLUG] Linux as server in Mac environment
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> My Dad is running a network of three Mac LC II's on Mac OS 
> 7.5/7.6, one
> machine acting mainly as file server, two as work stations. He's happy
> enough with this setup, but would like to have dialup access to this
> network to do work from home. I'm thinking that a nice solution, and a
> general cleanup of his network, would be to stick in a Linux box as a
> file/print/dial up to net/general purpose server, with two 
> Macs acting as 
> workstations, one removed from the current network and 
> brought home for me
> to play with. ;-) I've got a 486 box spare that I think 
> should be able to
> manage this. Does anybody have any thoughts on this? 
> Basically the setup
> I'm thinking of would be the 486 running Linux as a general purpose
> server, with two Mac LC II's talking to it, the 486 connected 
> to a modem,
> using diald whenever they wanted to access the net, but also 
> allowing a
> dial in connection from a Mac LC II at home, if possible as if it
> was acessing the network locally. Also the need to access a HP
> printer, which I'm not sure about, but is apparently 
> currently running as
> a Mac laser printer.  Anyone have any thoughts on the
> possibility/impossibility of this? Or where I could get more 
> info about
> how best to set this up? I've looked around Apples site, but 
> they don't
> seem to support anything below OS 8, and all the Linux sites 
> I've found
> seem to say it should work, but don't tell me how to do it. 
> Thanks for any
> clues.
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
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[SLUG] How to annoy PINE users

[John Wiltshire]

In the spirit of things:

Post in anything but ASCII.  HTML is kinda annoying.  RTF or DOC is a really
good one.

Of course, posting mail deliberately designed to annoy people based on their
preference (or company's preference) for email readers shows a level of
intellect somewhere around that of people who scratch cars with coins.

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RE: [SLUG] How to annoy Outlook users

[John Wiltshire]

From: Ken Yap [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> >Of course, posting mail deliberately designed to annoy 
> people based on their
> >preference (or company's preference) for email readers shows 
> a level of
> >intellect somewhere around that of people who scratch cars 
> with coins.
> 
> So turn off the Outlook title bar. Not possible? Ah yes, I forgot, the
> hood's welded shut.

Of course it's possible.  You just write a script to unflag everything that
gets received and drop it in the rules wizard inside Outlook or in the
Exchange Server events.

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RE: [SLUG] How to annoy PINE users

[John Wiltshire]

From: Rodos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> I would disagree with that analogy. More appropriate are the messages
> placed on packets of Cigarettes that say "Smoking Kills". 
> They do not force
> you to stop smoking, but they do remind you of the possible results of
> your actions. Of course once you start with analogies there is always
> something wrong with them and you end up going around in circles.

Agreed.

I should add that I don't mind the ones that say witty stuff (kinda like a
sig that you only get to see if you look at the headers, or are running
Outlook), but the boring ones are annoying - as was the original intent.

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RE: [SLUG] How to annoy Outlook users

[John Wiltshire]

From: Ken Yap [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> >> So turn off the Outlook title bar. Not possible? Ah yes, I 
> forgot, the
> >> hood's welded shut.
> >
> >Of course it's possible.  You just write a script to unflag 
> everything that
> >gets received and drop it in the rules wizard inside Outlook 
> or in the
> >Exchange Server events.
> 
> There you go. End of discussion. :-)

Now onto more interesting matters:

It should also be possible to put up voting buttons, change the form that is
used for the email and all sorts of other fun tricks using headers.  I'll
have to experiment some when I get home.  :-)

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RE: [SLUG] How to annoy Outlook users

[John Wiltshire]

> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Yap [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2000 3:12 pm
> To: Padmini Naidu
> Cc: Sydney Linux Users Group
> Subject: Re: [SLUG] How to annoy Outlook users 
> 
> 
> >>There you go. End of discussion. :-)
> >
> >How so? I just did it in <2 minutes and very simple, now 
> lets compare that
> >to how long it takes to do the simplist things on Linux

[Translation]
If I connect a super soaker to my PC it can piss further than yours...


> I wasn't commenting on how long it takes, just that if it's 
> customisable
> like he says, then he can filter these lines out and not see them at
> all, so no annoyance.

How long it takes is completely subjective anyway.  I use Rules a lot and
could find out relatively quickly what to do.  Someone who uses procmail a
lot could probably do it in about the same time.

You are exactly right, Kevin - it's no annoyance any more.  End of
discussion.

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Re: [SLUG] Linux as server in Mac environment

[John Wiltshire]

From: "Andrew Macks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, John Wiltshire wrote:
>
> > The Linux box will act just fine as a PPP dialup machine.  Configured
with
> > ipchains to do NAT, and preferably a caching DNS server and DHCP daemon
you
> > should be able to browse the web quite happily from the Macs (assuming
you
> > get IP over Ethernet going on MacOS 7.x).  You could also run Squid or
> > Apache as a web cache...
>
> I wouldn't recommend DHCP.  Many machines go crazy when DHCP servers
> disappear.  We stopped using DHCP here when next door's Mac started to go
> insane :)

Fair enough.  I've only been using DHCP since I've upgraded to OS 9.  Works
just find for me through reboots and all sorts of other nastiness.  Can't
comment on versions before that - I know the TCP/IP networking wasn't near
as good in MacOS 7.x.

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RE: [SLUG] How to annoy Outlook users

[John Wiltshire]

From: Jill Rowling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> Exactly, I agree wholeheartedly with Conrad.
> Voting, ability to attend meetings etc has NOTHING to do with 
> email, other
> than the fact that it might use a mail transport agent eventually.
> It has OTOH much to do with project management.
> 
> Could you imagine the silly M$ concept of using a common 
> mailing list when
> you wanted to email your group, and your group was a project on (say)
> Sourceforge.
> Zillions of project groups...zillions of possible users.
> 
> The M$ common mailing list system doesn't even work properly inside a
> largish corporation and has clearly been designed with a 
> small workgroup
> instead.
> I don't see any necessity to emulate it.

I think you are setting up a strawman here, Jill.  There is no such thing as
a "M$ common mailing list".

Using Microsoft Exchange (or Lotus Notes for that matter) doesn't involve
any sort of mailing lists as you seem to be suggesting.  If you are using
groupware for project management then you use public folders and a shared
schedule between everyone.  Mail is only exchanged (in the traditional
sense) when one user needs to communicate directly with another user.

As for mailing to groups, Exchange (and I presume Notes) only sends and
stores *one* copy of the email per server so it is far more efficient than
you are making out.  Your "sill M$ concept" becomes a whole lot less silly
when you are using a client/server mail protocol (IMAP) against a central
server rather than the more common practice in *nix systems where mail is
delivered to each users machine.

If anything it more approximates a newsgroup which has a set of custom
fields and scripts.  To set up a groupware server on Linux I think innd
would be a good place to start with a heap of scripts that can manipulate
the posts as they are received to send information about status changes to
the various people who need to receive them.

Don't take this as a "M$/Lotus is great, Linux sux" mail - it isn't.  The
capabilities for a good groupware system exist in Linux and would involve a
bit of work between imapd, innd and a few others with some web scripts
thrown in for good measure.  It's certainly possible and the real Unix
philosophy of having many small tools that do their particular tasks well
(as opposed to the one touted before - not sure where that came from) suits
groupware systems just as well as it suits most other tasks.

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RE: mail handling (was RE: [SLUG] How to annoy Outlook users)

[John Wiltshire]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> John Wiltshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > I think you are setting up a strawman here, Jill.
> 
> I've seen that expression used before in yank newsgroups (usenet)
> but never quite got the hang what it's supposed to mean.

It basically means setting up an opposing argument designed to be shot down,
which sounds plausible enough to give your own argument credibility.  Comes
from the practice of using straw men to train knights with before they went
into real battle - of course the knights had the advantage that the straw
men didn't really behave like real opponents...

Anyhow, I don't want to start a big fight here because it's not important -
Linux will grow as people write the apps/daemons that are needed by the
people.

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RE: [SLUG] Linux as server in Mac environment

[John Wiltshire]

From: Tom Massey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> Thanks to all the Penguinillas who provided useful hints on this. Here
> is where I am at the moment if anybody's interested in follow up:
> 
> Looks like a Mac LC II can't upgrade to more than Mac OS 7.6, mainly
> 'cause of the Apple change to the Power PC processor etc. 
> Can't seem to
> find any info on whether Mac OS 7.6 can handle IP over Ethernet or
> similar, but then, I also haven't found anything that says it 
> can't, and
> there does seem to be quite a lot of docs talking about improved
> networking capabilities in 7.6 so it's maybe worth a go. Basically, on
> the Mac side I've found nothing telling me it won't work anyway.

It will handle TCP/IP over Ethernet quite happily (well as happily as OS 7.6
handles anything).  You just have to go to the TCP/IP control panel and
choose Ethernet rather than PPP (or whatever it was called back then) as the
interface to work on.  Remember to set up all the DNS and gateways etc.

> On the Linux side, I think that running Netatalk should 
> provide all the
> file/print sharing needed, as far as I can tell the Linux box would
> basically appear to be a Mac to the LC II's? There seems to 
> be a daemon
> or something in Netatalk that tells Macs connecting to it that they're
> talking to a Mac file server, don't worry about this Ext2 stuff, I'll
> stick the files in the right place for you? As for printing, I think
> that Macs are friendly enough to each other to print to a 
> printer using
> Appletalk no matter which machine on the network it's 
> connected to? So I
> think that all that should work, provided that the Macs can 
> talk to the
> Linux box in the first place.

Yes - you are right.  The Macs don't know anything about ext2 (or whatever
file system you are running) and so on - they just see the AppleTalk server,
think it is a Mac and talk to it.  The printer is probably best left on the
Mac for now unless you have a good reason to put it on the Linux box.

> As for IP-Masq stuff - can anybody tell me whether Netatalk 
> even matters
> here? At home I've got a Linux box that's using IP-Chains to 
> let a Win95
> machine share a modem, and it seems that Samba plays no part, so I'm
> wondering if Linux can do the same for a Mac - let stuff 
> through without
> worrying about the OS I guess? So long as the Ethernet 
> network is setup,
> I imagine that the Linux machine can route traffic for the Macs pretty
> easily.

Again, correct.  The IP Chains stuff is independant of the netatalk
configuration.  It is identical to the way you would set it up for a Windows
machine, Linux machine or any other machine you want to have masqueraded.

Hope this helps, but you seem to have it all figured out now.

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Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Apps Company: the winner in the split?

[John Wiltshire]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:20:49 +1000, Rick Welykochy
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Think about this: MS Apps could be invading Linux, Unix, Macs, BeOs, the
>BSD's,
>etc. via any of the following methods:
>
>(*) native code apps running under X or the OS GUI as applicable
>(*) apps written in Java via ASPs
>(*) Windows apps run in Windows emulation environments
>
>All three of the above could easily be exploited by a none-too-poor
>startup
>called MS Apps, will access to all the intellectual of Windows annd
>the existing Apps.
>
>My money's on the Apps, giving birth to the death of MS Windows O/S, and
>the decline of MS on the desktop.

Personally I disagree.  I don't see a big incentive for an Apps
division to support more than the current two operating systems it
supports today.  It costs a lot of money to maintain an application
targeted at different platforms - especially given the differences
between Windows and X (look at the complexities in Mozilla).  Keeping
the number of targets small and quite similar (MacOS + Windows) is a
great way to decrease development costs and increase profits.

Until KDE and Gnome get their act sorted out I don't see a company
like MS Apps (assuming the breakup ever happens) will have much of a
business case to support every OS in sight.  It sounds good, but I
don't think it will happen.

My money on the big winner from the breakup would be Apple.  They are
in a position to release a good new OS (OS X) which already has MS
Apps on it and can quickly be made to run on Intel machines through
the Darwin core.  Playing off Apple and MS/Windows against each other
would put them in a great position to get lots of market share and
maintain their effective monopoly on the Office market.  If the
breakup happens, I'll have money on Steve Jobs announcing a new
strategic relationship with MS/Apps that will possibly make it even
harder for Linux to get up on the desktop.

As for the server market - the ruling makes it very difficult for MS
to market NT Server at all.  If you've done any development for NT
Server systems and look at the ruling which states COM+ goes to the
MS/Apps while Win2k Server goes to MS/Windows you'll understand what I
mean:  Win2k Server is pretty much built around COM+ and splitting it
out would be the death of the system (in my opinion of course).  This
leaves a great opportunity for Linux!

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RE: [SLUG] To learn, to troll, to participate?

[John Wiltshire]

From: Jamie Honan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> The name John Wiltshire rings a bell.
> 
> John has been (still is?) a very active participant in the newsgroup
> comp.os.linux.advocacy.

Still is, but only for the more clueless posts now.  It gets very
monotonous.  I post in comp.os.windows.nt.advocacy actually, but crossposts
are rife.

> John appears to be a well educated NT systems adminstrator.
> While everyone is welcome to SLUG, to participate, to learn, John
> did take part in some very lively debates about NT.

This is true.  I've tried to be honest though and give ground where it was
deserved.  I don't want to talk about NT/2000 in this forum unless it
involves how to get it working with Linux.

> Although we stray off into a bit of Microsoft bashing, our main
> aim should be, simply, the promotion, enjoyment, use and knowledge
> of Linux.

I figured MS bashing was perfectly acceptable in this forum.  It would be
completely out of line however for me to start Linux bashing in a list
devoted to promoting the use of Linux over other products.

> As always, help needed, insightful (as opposed to inciteful) comments,
> constructive hints are always welcome.
> 
> Life is short, let's not waste time. I'd hate to see the slug list
> continually degenerate into pointless comparisons between NT and
> Linux.

I agree with everything said here.  I've been very careful to avoid turning
this into an advocacy forum.  As a Linux user (as well as an NT user) I've
been trying to share my knowledge of Linux with others.  The fact I prefer
to use NT over Linux doesn't mean I think anyone else should share my views
and I'm trying to help people who have problems with Linux sort out their
issues.  People have a right to use the system that suits their own needs
and people on this list don't want to hear about MS products unless it has
to do with getting Linux to work well with them.

If I'm ever out of line on this list, tell me.  I'll reform.  I am honestly
enjoying using Linux at home for a number of things that would be very hard
with any other OS - it's a learning experience but a very worthwhile one.  I
hope one day to work on the NTFS driver for Linux and hopefully get my Linux
box actually booting from an NTFS system (ok - I'm twisted.  Sue me).  I'm a
quite capable programmer having written multitasking kernels from scratch
before and working on NT device drivers so I figure if I use Linux I should
at least contribute to the effort.

...unfortunately Blizzard released Diablo II and I've not had much time
lately.

If you want to know more about me, just go to http://www.chase.net.au.
Please flame me for the 'Linux for NT users' presentation (not on the slug
list though) - I want to make it as unbiased as possible.  If you don't
believe I use Linux, telnet to 24.192.74.189 (my home machine).

If you want me to quit contributing to the list, just tell me.  I'll
unsubscribe.  I was just hoping to promote Linux a little because I like it,
and learn more while I'm at it.

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RE: [SLUG] To learn, to troll, to participate?

[John Wiltshire]

From: Matthew Dalton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> John Wiltshire wrote:
> > If you want to know more about me, just go to 
> http://www.chase.net.au.
> > Please flame me for the 'Linux for NT users' presentation 
> (not on the slug
> > list though)
> 
> Unfortunately the html for that presentation crashes Netscape 
> (the site
> says it's optimised for IE).
> 
> If you still want to read it, I've put a more basic html version here:
> 
> http://www.pnc.com.au/~msdalton/chase-ppt/

Aarrgghh!!!

$#%*&#%$ Microsoft proprietary format files.  Powerpoint did that for me.
:-(

It should be a bit better now.  Sorry about that - I was a bit rushed when I
published it and never got back to fixing it.

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RE: Tshirt slogans! (was Re: [SLUG] To learn, to troll, to participate?)

[John Wiltshire]

From: Conrad Parker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 02:42:29PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > 
> > Also, we need to mount some kind of propaganda campaign to 
> enlighten new
> > Linux users to the wonders of never rebooting. T-Shirt 
> slogans? Perhaps this
> > should be the first Penguinilla Project...
> 
> Hey, it is about time we did some tshirts :)
> 
> but let's not make them "windoze sux" shirts, let's have some
> witty Linux slogans, yeah?
> 
> suggestions?

Linux:
 - Won't stop until you are finished.
 - Won't do it with anyone else unless you want it to.
 - Tells you when anyone else tries to do it.
 - Is always ready when you are.
 - Does it for as long as you want.
 - Is ready and willing to do two or more at once if you let it.
 - Doesn't hide an ugly old face under pretty makeup.

...I could probably go on.

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RE: Tshirt slogans! (was Re: [SLUG] To learn, to troll, to participate?)

[John Wiltshire]

Just to be sick:

Naked shots of Linus?


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RE: [SLUG] ip Accounting

[John Wiltshire]

From: Dave Kempe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> > David Kempe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Has any one got IP accounting working with IP Chains?
> > > I've been reading HOWTOs on ipchains and masqerading etc 
> but can't find
> > > anything but a passing reference.
> > > Anyone got it working? used it? care?
> >
> > What exactly do you want to do with it?
> 
> For linux boxes that serve as masquerading gateways, it would 
> be handy to
> determine what ips that are being masqueraded, are getting 
> what amount of
> traffic. So you can tell, roughly, how much web surfing Joe 
> in accounts is
> doing or who is chewing into your valuable bandwidth.

Check out ntop:  www.ntop.org.

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[SLUG] Apache vs Squid

[John Wiltshire]

A quick question:

What is the best for a web proxy on a home machine acting as a NAT box -
Apache or Squid?  I currently have apache set up (because it was easy), but
I'm wondering if I would be better off using Squid.

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Re: [SLUG] Slightly OT- Log file analysis tools

[John Clarke]

On Fri, Jul 28, 2000 at 02:07:35PM +1000, Bill Hiley wrote:

> I seem to recall that there are some public domain packages around for
> monitoring log files, looking for a configurable range of patterns and

logcheck:  http://www.psionic.com/abacus/logcheck/

Cheers,

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Re: [SLUG] Print server how to

[John Clarke]

On Fri, Jul 28, 2000 at 12:35:40PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Is there a HOW-TO for setting up a simple
> print server using smb or lpr?

The samba docs explain printing pretty well.  Have a look at "Using
Samba", the O'Reilly book, specifically the printing chapter at:

  http://au1.samba.org/samba/oreilly/using_samba/ch07_01.html

There's also the printing how-to at:

  http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/LDP/HOWTO/Printing-HOWTO/index.html

Cheers,

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Re: [SLUG] Re: slug mail bouncing

[John Ferlito]

My fault I expected relay by MX to just work. Fixing now .

On Sat, Jul 29, 2000 at 10:09:02PM +1000, Scott Howard wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 29, 2000 at 09:43:34PM +1000, Jon Biddell wrote:
> > At 07:29 PM 7/29/00, Morrissey wrote:
> > >Are we getting a lot of bounces these days?
> > 
> > I've had a few, but only when the [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the second item in 
> > the cc list.
> 
> That'll just be a coincience.  One of the 3 server listed to handle slug
> mail isn't setup to do so.
> 
> Mail will only make it to that host is the other 2 are down, so it shouldn't
> be happening too frequently.
> 
> I'd expect whoever is currently responsible for slug.org.au DNS will fix
> it (again!) any week now...
> 
>   Scott.
> 
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Re: [SLUG] Grepping a variable and spaces.

[John Clarke]

On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 11:22:11AM +1000, George Vieira wrote:

> $TMP contains a PID number which I need to grep out of the modemlist$$.tmp
> file but need to check with spaces eg.. " $TMP " to prevent numbers like
> 43512 popping up when searching for 435 etc..

Try 'grep -w' to restrict the match to whole words.

Cheers,

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RE: [SLUG] TNT, Free86-4.0.1

[John Wiltshire]

The guys down in Melbourne have written a nice HOWTO on this subject:

Check out http://games.luv.asn.au/lsd/nvidia-mini-howto.html.

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RE: [SLUG] Apache hits 62.8%

[John Wiltshire]

From: Ken Yap [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> http://www.netcraft.com/survey/
> 
> And IIS dropped 0.5%.

Did you notice download.microsoft.com is running Apache?

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RE: [SLUG] Apache hits 62.8%

[John Wiltshire]

From: Rev Simon Rumble [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 12:16:11PM +1000, Ken Yap uttered:
> > http://www.netcraft.com/survey/
> > 
> > And IIS dropped 0.5%.
> 
> Of course the methodology is slightly flawed for these sorts of
> comparisons.  As anyone who's worked with IIS will tell you, it takes
> many more NT servers to handle the same work load as a bunch of Unix
> Apache servers.  Hence there are probably stacks of IIS boxen sitting
> behind individual URLs like hotmail.com (I think they managed to wean
> themselves off Solaris eventually and probably have a cubic kilometre
> of NT boxes to handle the load :)
> 
> The methodology, of course, however makes sense when reporting "this
> many sites use this software" as opposed to "there are this 
> many public
> web servers running this software".

Netcraft is even more flawed than that.  Remember it counts distinct URLs,
not machines.  On a large site (www.hotmail.com etc) it will undercount the
number of machines, but on virtual hosted sites it will count the machine
once for each different URL it responds to.  Apache has the massive
advantage over things like Netscape in that it is the server of choice for
small, low hit count sites which probably never get more than one or two
hits a month and yet count just as much as slashdot.org as far as the survey
is concerned.

There is another survey which counts number of hits on each type of server
which is probably a better indicator of the popularity of each system.  Of
course, there are lies, damned lies and statistics.

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RE: [SLUG] Apache hits 62.8%

[John Wiltshire]

From: Damien Gardner Jnr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> Hmm, Looks like IIS to me?
> 
> --
> ~ >$ telnet download.microsoft.com 80
> Trying 207.46.68.24...
> Connected to download.microsoft.com.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> HEAD / HTTP/1.0 OK
> 
> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
> Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
> Content-Location: http://207.46.68.24/Default.htm
> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:10:50 GMT
> Content-Type: text/html
> Accept-Ranges: bytes
> Last-Modified: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:36:34 GMT
> ETag: "d46f193727a6bf1:868"
> Content-Length: 138
> --

Interesting.  I get:

HTTP/1.1 302 Found
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:23:52 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.6
Location: http://msvaus.www.conxion.com/
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html

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RE: [SLUG] Firewall setup.

[John Wiltshire]

From: Rodos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

> Having trouble working out a firewall setup. Here is what I have
> 
> ++
> | router | - 203.1.1.30
> ++
>  ^
>  |
>  |
> eth1
> 203.1.1.24
>  |
>  \/
> +--+
> | firewall |
> +--+
>  ^
>  | 
> eth0
> 203.1.1.22
>  |
>  |
> +-+
> | HUB |
> +-+
>  | | |
>  | | +-- 203.1.1.29
>  | + 203.1.1.28
>  +-- 203.1.1.27
> 
> Basically everything is in the same address range. I want to use the
> firewall box as a bridge I think. I they were all masqueraded 
> address it
> would be easier. I just can seam to work out how to setup the routing.

This situation will not work.  You need the network (x.x.x.x/y) to be
different on each side of the Firewall box so it can figure out where to
send packets.  Use a private network (192.168.x.x) between the router and
the firewall and it will work just fine.

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[SLUG] Debian woody

[John Ferlito]

Is anyone out there using woddy ie the current unstable. Not frozen.
How stable is it? I've been noticing heaps of packages in woody I'd like to
use and have been to some degree and just wondering if it's too early to just 
move straight to it.

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RE: [SLUG] Firewall setup.

[John Wiltshire]

From: John Wiltshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> From: Rodos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> > Having trouble working out a firewall setup. Here is what I have
> > 
> > Basically everything is in the same address range. I want to use the
> > firewall box as a bridge I think. I they were all masqueraded 
> > address it
> > would be easier. I just can seam to work out how to setup 
> the routing.
> 
> This situation will not work.  You need the network (x.x.x.x/y) to be
> different on each side of the Firewall box so it can figure 
> out where to
> send packets.  Use a private network (192.168.x.x) between 
> the router and
> the firewall and it will work just fine.

Actually, on further thought, you would be better using the private network
behind the firewall (for the three clients).  This means you don't have to
play with routing on the other side of the router.  See below:

++
| router | - 203.1.1.30
++
 ^
 |
 |
eth1
203.1.1.24
 |
 \/
+--+
| firewall |
+--+
 ^
 | 
eth0
192.168.1.1
 |
 |
+-+
| HUB |
+-+
 | | |
 | | +-- 192.168.1.10
 | + 192.168.1.11
 +-- 192.168.1.12

Clients point their default gateway at 192.168.1.1, firewall has a default
route to the router on eth1 and no routes on eth0.  Should work just fine.

Sorry for the miscue.

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RE: [SLUG] Apache hits 62.8%

[John Wiltshire]

From: Richard Ames [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > John Wiltshire
> 
> 
> 
> > There is another survey which counts number of hits on each 
> type of server
> > which is probably a better indicator of the popularity of 
> each system.  Of
> > course, there are lies, damned lies and statistics.
> >
> > John Wiltshire
> 
> 
> Is that 'another survey' available?  Web address?  I would be most
> interested.

I was looking at the ApacheToday article:

http://apachetoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-07-27-001-01-NW-LF-MR

which looks at what the most hit web sites are using.  The order of usage is
still pretty much the same (Apache, IIS, iPlanet/Netscape) but much closer
than Netcraft would have you believe.  I think Netcraft doesn't do justice
to iPlanet/Netscape because although there aren't many sites running it, the
sites that are are the big ones.

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RE: [SLUG] Broadband access with permanent IP address?

[John Wiltshire]

From: Erik de Castro Lopo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm looking for broadband access with a permanent IP 
> address and an AUP which allow the setting up of
> servers. 
> 
> I looked into the BPA Business Plan but they can't guarantee 
> a permanent IP. ISDN is another option but seems WAY overpriced.
> 
> What are people doing? Am I stuck in 1990 and not realising
> it?

Think about your requirement for a permanent IP address.  We faced the same
problem here and eventually decided that a dynamic IP address was ok (it
only changes about once every 6 months anyhow if you stay online 7x24).  For
email and web serving just outsource to someone like WebCentral and you save
support costs for maintaining a secure web/email server as well.

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RE: [SLUG] Samba as a PDC for windows domain

[John Wiltshire]

From: Peter Rundle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> Sluggers,
> 
> I've been busy converting my authentication system to LDAP for all 
> my Solaris and Linux boxen. Converting NT however is proving to be
> a bit of a challenge. I was just given an off the wall suggestion
> that perhaps we should use the latest version of Samba (on Linux of
> course :-) as the PDC for the windows domain. Configure Samba to
> use pam_ldap to authenticate and hey presto.
> 
> Anyone been there done that, got any advice before I charge in and 
> get burnt? One thing that comes to mind is encrypted passwords, the 
> LDAP server keeps the password in SHA format, if Samba get's an 
> encrypted password in whatever Doze format, how can it make the 
> comparison? or does Samba know how to decrypt the password coming
> from the Doze box so it can generate a Unix crypt passwd for 
> pam_pwdb.so authentication?
> 
> Any and all thoughts gratefully accepted.

Windows sends hashes, not actual passwords so the Samba server cannot
actually decrypt them unless you configure it to only accept plain-text
passwords from the Windows host and do a bit of hacking inside the Samba
code.  

>From that, it sounds like the scheme you are proposing will not work and
you're going to have to maintain two password lists unless you can get a
different logon mechanism working on the NT boxes (this is possible but
pretty difficult to get working right).

I'm really not sure what to suggest here.  Even if you do get auth working,
getting the password change mechanism happening seamlessly is going to be a
whole new area of pain.  That's just my experience anyhow - the Samba guys
may know things I don't (more than possible).

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RE: [SLUG] IP Accounting

[John Wiltshire]

From: Rev Simon Rumble [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> What do people use for accounting for IP traffic?  I need to 
> be able to
> get finite daily results broken down in each direction.  Pretty graphs
> are all well and good but I need finite figures to guestimate future
> costs...
> 
> The options seem to be ipac and mrtg.  I've had problems with ipac
> before (losing old data) and mrtg uses snmp which is (I'm 
> told) not very
> complete or reliable in the Linux kernel...
> 
> Ideas?  It's for an old kernel machine 2.0.36 and I can't 
> upgrade it but
> ip accounting is compiled in.

Try ntop? www.ntop.org

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RE: [SLUG] Re: Samba as a PDC for windows domain

[John Wiltshire]

From: Angus Lees [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 10:27:29AM +1000, John Wiltshire wrote:
> > I'm really not sure what to suggest here.  Even if you do 
> get auth working,
> > getting the password change mechanism happening seamlessly 
> is going to be a
> > whole new area of pain.
> 
> i've got this working (no ldap, but using pam and nis) before. it
> wasn't fun. the easier path would be an ssl-protected web site where
> the user types the password into a cgi form, and the cgi-script
> sets all the various passwords for them.

Wow!  You walk on water in your spare time?

John Wiltshire


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