Re: [SLUG] hardware recommendation
3COM or Nokia PCMCIA should work ... I've been out of the loop for a while.. I might give the Toshiba/Motorola a miss as they usen't to work when I was writing BT stacks.. Dave. On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, James Gregory wrote: Can anyone recommend me a Bluetooth interface thing that works with linux? I'm currently thinking USB, but pcmcia is doable. I want it to talk to a bluetooth enabled mobile phone. Thanks, James. -- David Airlie, Software Engineer http://www.skynet.ie/~airlied / [EMAIL PROTECTED] pam_smb / Linux DecStation / Linux VAX / ILUG person -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] hardware recommendation
3COM or Nokia PCMCIA should work ... I've been out of the loop for a while.. I might give the Toshiba/Motorola a miss as they usen't to work when I was writing BT stacks.. actually 3COM mightnt' be the best either... any USB should in theory work, as the USB / Bluetooth interface is standardised, I've only used an Ericcson USB dongle before though.. Dave. Dave. On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, James Gregory wrote: Can anyone recommend me a Bluetooth interface thing that works with linux? I'm currently thinking USB, but pcmcia is doable. I want it to talk to a bluetooth enabled mobile phone. Thanks, James. -- David Airlie, Software Engineer http://www.skynet.ie/~airlied / [EMAIL PROTECTED] pam_smb / Linux DecStation / Linux VAX / ILUG person -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
snipt To second the motion, I have had some intermittent problems with the intel 82559. On a Slackware 7.1 box, it seemed to work fine for a week or more but would occasionally dump the interface with errors similar to RX buffer not available TX buffer not available Rebooting (eek!) was necessary to bring it back on line. It might have been a driver issue... but I would have thought 7.1 would be fairly up to date... Anyways I ripped it out and threw in a cheapy Netgear which is doing very well. ;) IIRC One of the Netgear cards is tulip based.. The tulip cards are pretty rock solid (at least I've never had a problem with them and apparently that's what Donald Becker was using for a long time hence the highly optimised drivers) and the Netgear cards are nice and cheap.. Not a bad combo.. BTW incase you dont know the tulip is the DEC 21XXX (plenty of variants and manufacturers) dan. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
As usual, the slug mailing list is an amazing source of information. Thanks everyone for your response. The comments from Ken effectively summarise why I am intending to use the onboard nic (no fan etc). I have an existing firewall box which is performing quite nicely (P166, DFE-530, 3Com 3c905) but generates the normal amount of noise that an AT case with a few fans does. Therefore there is a little resistance (putting it nicely) to the concept of leaving the machine on all the time. I've looked around and found a case that looks small and quiet (Aopen H300 if anyone is interested). Asus make a FlexATX board with the onboard 8139 (and everything else). My idea is to use this with another 8139 as the firewall (floppy, 5400rpm hard drive and no cd or anything else). Hopefully this should be quiet enough to be ignored. And yes, the box will be stupidly over-specced for firewall purposes but it should make a good seti@home machine (watching the heat levels of course). Thanks again all, Nicholas (BTW, using yahoo and the digest makes quoting mail rather difficult). __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
|Who upgrades on a mass basis? And the littleness |gives peope more desk space. ;) | |They also shouldnt be bad linux boxes. | |I have no gripes with inbuilt stuff when you |get such a size difference. Certainly home |machines benefit from upgradability though. | |I wouldnt buy such a thing. But they suit |our needs well. I have a thin client box, fanless, that has an onboard 8139. There would be no way to achieve the small size and fanlessness without integrating the NIC. Works fine. As NIC chips have become commodity items, you're going to see more integration. It wasn't so long ago that an addon 16550 serial board costs as much as a NIC now. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
Mboards have just about everything on board now. Our latest roll out is an i810 and soundMAX (?) onboard with a 530tx card. These machines are about the size of 2 laptops. (not inc 17" obviously) have 1 x lil fdd and 2 x big fdd Who upgrades on a mass basis? And the littleness gives peope more desk space. ;) They also shouldnt be bad linux boxes. I have no gripes with inbuilt stuff when you get such a size difference. Certainly home machines benefit from upgradability though. I wouldnt buy such a thing. But they suit our needs well. Dean Ken Yap wrote: |Onboard? Run away, run away! | |I highly recommend having as much off the motherboard as you can - they |always come back to bite later anyway. A network interface is less of a |problem than a sound card or whatever, but it's always good to be able to |pull out a problem. :) Nah, they're fine. Usually there's a BIOS option to disable the NIC. Would you recommend always having serial and parallel interfaces offboard? They work fine. You don't have a choice these days anyway. The usual problem is that up till recently up till recently most mobos with integrated NICs were mediocre. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: RE: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
Yes, but your cable modem is only 10Mbits/Sec, well atleast my CM100 is. Original Message: - From: Marty Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:51:56 +1100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation Also, 486's sometimes have trouble keeping up with a 100Mb card (if you can find an ISA one?), and PCI is not an option. Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
|Onboard? Run away, run away! | |I highly recommend having as much off the motherboard as you can - they |always come back to bite later anyway. A network interface is less of a |problem than a sound card or whatever, but it's always good to be able to |pull out a problem. :) Nah, they're fine. Usually there's a BIOS option to disable the NIC. Would you recommend always having serial and parallel interfaces offboard? They work fine. You don't have a choice these days anyway. The usual problem is that up till recently up till recently most mobos with integrated NICs were mediocre. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
Netgear 310 10/100 cards are well supported with the tulip driver. However up until 2.2.18 (and possibly still) you need to reload the kernel module if the cable is pulled out or something. So be sure to have a really solid connection as short inteferences you normally wouldnt notice will cause the card to stop being connected. We use these in our proxy cluster. 311's are supported in 2.4.x under a different driver. Look on daves site. Intel eepro100's are good, no problems here. I run 2 dual p3 servers with 2 per machine (one on the mboard). I know alot of people swear by them. Dlink 530tx rev a's are run with the via-rhine driver. The latest rev of this card (rev c) needs an updated driver which is on dave m's site and included in 2.4.x. Turn *off* APM with these cards as linux cant handle it (thats our conclusion. apm on problems on, apm off problems off. seems logical) 530tx+ are actual realtek 8139 chips, use 8139too. Alot of $40 10/100 are 8139. Probably 99% of them. I have run three of these in a single box with no problems (other than that realteks are cpu using) using the old driver. I have one in the pc im using now. (i have seen skymaster, acer and full on nonamed cards as 8139's) 3com also makes excellent 10/100 nics. I have 2 servers runing 3c509's and i have no complaints. Netgear makes a good vanilla 10/100 card (soho market) and their gigagbit cards work well in linux as well (apm bug though). Dean Apologies for the long-winded post - I guess my question boils down to: 1. Is anyone having problems with 1 or 2 8139 cards in the same machine? 2. The Intel seems to be a very popular choice - would it be worth investing in (I know worth is relative but the difference is 128meg of ram g). you may have read my recent posts on problems getting a Dlink DFE-530TX card to work, well I swapped it for a RealTek 8139 card (brand is "skymaster") and that works great (auto-detected etc in esmith 4.1 (based on RH7)). I've no idea of performance but it works for me. Dave. To second the motion, I have had some intermittent problems with the intel 82559. On a Slackware 7.1 box, it seemed to work fine for a week or more but would occasionally dump the interface with errors similar to RX buffer not available TX buffer not available Rebooting (eek!) was necessary to bring it back on line. It might have been a driver issue... but I would have thought 7.1 would be fairly up to date... Anyways I ripped it out and threw in a cheapy Netgear which is doing very well. ;) Cheers, Marty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
|1. Is anyone having problems with 1 or 2 8139 cards in the same |machine? |2. The Intel seems to be a very popular choice - would it be worth |investing in (I know worth is relative but the difference is 128meg |of ram g). For the use you envisage RTL8139 is fine, just make sure to get the latest version of the driver as problems have been reported even recently. The 8139 isn't *that* bad a NIC, certainly heaps better than the PCI NE2000s. Donald Becker's main gripe with it is that it requires 8-byte alignment of transmit packets which costs an extra copy in general. I wouldn't use it on a fileserver though. My favourite inexpensive NIC is the MX98715, which is a Tulip clone and sold under the label Skymaster 10/100 here. It's about $20. I haven't seen it incorporated on motherboards though. The Davicom 9102 is another Tulip clone I have seen on one or two integrated mobos. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
Here's me fire wall config: Intel 486 DX 2 66, (over powered btw) 32 MB (once again overkill) 2 Intel Ether Express isa Cards 1 Floppy Router, there are many option in this area eg: LRP, FloppFW, FreeSco etc etc. I had a firewall like this for years, it worked well (2.0.33 I think). Then I upgraded it to a P133/64Mb (2.2.16) and the performance improvement was amazing. My users loved me. Lag from external access dropped from an average 8 secs to around 1.5 seconds. The ISP and modem was not changed. Sure, there is some improvement with the kernel, but is that all it was? I haven't had time to test it.. Also, 486's sometimes have trouble keeping up with a 100Mb card (if you can find an ISA one?), and PCI is not an option. Cheers, Marty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
quote who="Nicholas Lawrence" 1. An Asus board with an onboard Realtek 8139. 2. An Aopen board with an onboard Intel 82559. Onboard? Run away, run away! I highly recommend having as much off the motherboard as you can - they always come back to bite later anyway. A network interface is less of a problem than a sound card or whatever, but it's always good to be able to pull out a problem. :) I noted in my research that the Realtek is not rated very highly for performance but appears well-supported. Excellent summary. :) The Intel 82559 is supposed to be very good for both speed and support but a few notes in linux-kernel August last year suggested problems with 2.4pre recognising onboard variants. There didn't seem to be any followup after that. That's fixed in Donald Becker's drivers that you can find on scyld.com, only for 2.2 kernels (which you ought to be running on a machine such as this). We run one of these in our web server - no problems so far. The big problem when I installed it was having it on a shared PCI slot. Bad. 1. Is anyone having problems with 1 or 2 8139 cards in the same machine? No, they seem to be okay. 2. The Intel seems to be a very popular choice - would it be worth investing in (I know worth is relative but the difference is 128meg of ram g). It sounds like you're overspeccing your firewall... So, probably not worth it when you can run it acceptably on something (quite a bit) less expensive. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- Two words: Japanese technofetishism. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
On Thursday, February 22, 2001 8:39 AM, Dave Fitch [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 12:15:25PM -0800, Nicholas Lawrence wrote: Apologies for the long-winded post - I guess my question boils down to: 1. Is anyone having problems with 1 or 2 8139 cards in the same machine? 2. The Intel seems to be a very popular choice - would it be worth investing in (I know worth is relative but the difference is 128meg of ram g). you may have read my recent posts on problems getting a Dlink DFE-530TX card to work, well I swapped it for a RealTek 8139 card (brand is "skymaster") and that works great (auto-detected etc in esmith 4.1 (based on RH7)). I've no idea of performance but it works for me. Dave. To second the motion, I have had some intermittent problems with the intel 82559. On a Slackware 7.1 box, it seemed to work fine for a week or more but would occasionally dump the interface with errors similar to RX buffer not available TX buffer not available Rebooting (eek!) was necessary to bring it back on line. It might have been a driver issue... but I would have thought 7.1 would be fairly up to date... Anyways I ripped it out and threw in a cheapy Netgear which is doing very well. ;) Cheers, Marty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
Hi, Firstly is this box to be used only as a firewall, or will it be doing other duties. If It's only going to be you connection to cable and ip masq etc I would even bother spending big bucks on new PIII/Athlon boards, PCI cards, 128 MB ram. Here's me fire wall config: Intel 486 DX 2 66, (over powered btw) 32 MB (once again overkill) 2 Intel Ether Express isa Cards 1 Floppy Router, there are many option in this area eg: LRP, FloppFW, FreeSco etc etc. On to the main question, I've been using DEC 21140 (I think that's the number) W/O any problems at all, These cards are quite affordable (around $50.00 for PCI) and work really well. In case your interested I managed to ftp binary files across two of these cards on a 100 Mb Hub at 4.5 MBytes/sec not bad considering the SCSI disks were UW and rated at 40 Mbits/Sec. Original Message: - From: Nicholas Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:15:25 -0800 (PST) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation Hi all, /de-lurk I'm putting together a new Linux firewall box for bigpond cable and am having fun trying to decide between two motherboards. Doing the relevant googling and archive searches, I have ended up with two choices: 1. An Asus board with an onboard Realtek 8139. 2. An Aopen board with an onboard Intel 82559. The case I'm going to use requires a half-height NIC which will be another 8139. I noted in my research that the Realtek is not rated very highly for performance but appears well-supported. The Intel 82559 is supposed to be very good for both speed and support but a few notes in linux-kernel August last year suggested problems with 2.4pre recognising onboard variants. There didn't seem to be any followup after that. For background - the addon card would be plugged into the cable modem, the onboard into a 100 switch. I know that the Aopen board would be the better buy but: 1. An additional $100+ 2. The Asus board has a nice connector for a front monitoring panel. Apologies for the long-winded post - I guess my question boils down to: 1. Is anyone having problems with 1 or 2 8139 cards in the same machine? 2. The Intel seems to be a very popular choice - would it be worth investing in (I know worth is relative but the difference is 128meg of ram g). Thanks for your help. /re-lurk Nicholas __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 12:15:25PM -0800, Nicholas Lawrence wrote: Apologies for the long-winded post - I guess my question boils down to: 1. Is anyone having problems with 1 or 2 8139 cards in the same machine? 2. The Intel seems to be a very popular choice - would it be worth investing in (I know worth is relative but the difference is 128meg of ram g). you may have read my recent posts on problems getting a Dlink DFE-530TX card to work, well I swapped it for a RealTek 8139 card (brand is "skymaster") and that works great (auto-detected etc in esmith 4.1 (based on RH7)). I've no idea of performance but it works for me. Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Hardware recommendation
Hi all, /de-lurk I'm putting together a new Linux firewall box for bigpond cable and am having fun trying to decide between two motherboards. Doing the relevant googling and archive searches, I have ended up with two choices: 1. An Asus board with an onboard Realtek 8139. 2. An Aopen board with an onboard Intel 82559. The case I'm going to use requires a half-height NIC which will be another 8139. I noted in my research that the Realtek is not rated very highly for performance but appears well-supported. The Intel 82559 is supposed to be very good for both speed and support but a few notes in linux-kernel August last year suggested problems with 2.4pre recognising onboard variants. There didn't seem to be any followup after that. For background - the addon card would be plugged into the cable modem, the onboard into a 100 switch. I know that the Aopen board would be the better buy but: 1. An additional $100+ 2. The Asus board has a nice connector for a front monitoring panel. Apologies for the long-winded post - I guess my question boils down to: 1. Is anyone having problems with 1 or 2 8139 cards in the same machine? 2. The Intel seems to be a very popular choice - would it be worth investing in (I know worth is relative but the difference is 128meg of ram g). Thanks for your help. /re-lurk Nicholas __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
