[RCSE] Weird RC glider
Ah, that has been reviewed quite extensively in German RC mags (forgotten the name of it), but the reviewers all think the second generation version, with a small stabilisator, is much better! Otherwise they give it an OK, especially on the slope! Tord, Sweden -- If reply difficulties - use [EMAIL PROTECTED] When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] RE: Naked Blue HLG
Could it have been a robbe Silentus? It uses the same type of construction as the Twinstar and there is no covering of any sort :-)! Quite stylish and quite slow! About HLG size, looks a bit like a FOKA 4 (swept fin, et cetera). Tord, Sweden -- If reply difficulties - use [EMAIL PROTECTED] When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Seeded groups manoman
Dennis et. al., The term man-on-man has to do with scoring not setting the groups, Mike Stump pointed this out and he is correct. Seeding just as random grouping is just methods for establishing flight groups. If seeding proves nothing, ask someone who wins in Dayton in a five round contest. Non of this says that the Nats format is not great either. As I said to Jack S., with the right equipment, it would be cool to seed the Nats just to watch how people would fly it. But this is not the Land of Oz and I am happy that we fly man-on-man at the Nats. Marc -Original Message- From: Dennis Adamisin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Seeded groups manoman I agree with Cal: seeded groups are NOT man-on-man. Over the course of the event everybody should fly everybody else - that is man-on-man over the course of the CONTEST. NOT a seeded ladder match that provesNothing. I do not know how it could be construed as a superior process, since we are also going on normalized scores, placings within the group mean nothing. If you want to fly a ladder then be real and make it an elimination - only the top 1 (or 2 or 3) in a given flight group advance, everyone else sits. Think of it as soaring meets the NCAA basketball tournament. Actually it would be more obscure than that - more like judging figure skating. Current NATS format does a superior job at choosing the National Champion - that IS the point you know. The rest of us get the opportunity to grouse over how many times we had to pair up with the champ! Dennis Adamisin Fort Wayne IN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 8:47 Subject: [RCSE] Seeded groups manoman Am I missing something here. Why seeded groups? I don't think I would even come to Nats for a man on man seeded group format. What is the advantage over random? For those that are questioning Nats program remember there are limits to what you can do and keep the contest moving. Large groups need rest frequencies, and frequency gaps to keep things moving along which put limits on true randomizing and keep a very fast computer chomping for a long time. Cal RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Man on Man out of date
At 11:40 PM 8/10/99 -0700, you wrote: OK Guys, forget it! Let's face it. You spend $850 for a Millenium ($2500 if you have been following the Diamond thread). You join a club and request/demand a winch that can toss you to 700-800 or more feet. Assuming you can recognize sink, and recognize that Joe Wurts has suckered you into sink, you should be able to minimum sink your FULL duration time! Mr. Adams, It's usually the pilot, not the plane The NATS at Muncie had rounds that ranged from 5 to 10 minutes in duration. Sometimes the weather conditions only allowed the best pilots to maybe sqeeze out 4 to 5 minutes. At the 1998 NATS the CD snuck in a 15 minuted round in 2 meter in somewhat windy conditions. You should have heard the whining... People got buried. I thought it was great. It slowed the contest down and we probably flew one less round in that case. But it's a soaring contest, right? Steve Siebenaler Huntsville, Alabama RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] New Australian Soaring Site!!
Hello Everyone, I'm pleased to finally announce the MRSSA Inc. ( Moreton Region Sports Soaring Association Incorporated) Web Site. It caters for all R/C soaring types in this part of the world but has a large R/C Soaring Links Page that should be of interest to everybody everywhere. It is 90% complete (as most sites seem to be) but is hopefully easy to navigate and read. Comments are welcome as are new links. Please have a look at http://www.users.bigpond.com/bananaman/ Thank you Brian Ford Brisbane Australia RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] weird RC kite/glider
Has anyone seen a catalog from a company called "Lifestyle Fascination"? They have something I've never seen before in years of flying RC. They call it a radio control glider, but from the picture and description, it is very different. The picture shows a "hang glider" flex wing kite kind of thing with a 4 ft wingspan and a pod suspended from the central "spine" of the kite, It is not the same product but it has some similarities. Get a look at: http://www.spirale.fr/html/produit/index.htm -- Louis Cimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] 141 rue Mistral [EMAIL PROTECTED]/~lcimon/planeur.htm Beauport, QC tel : (418)664-1023 Canada G1E 5V4 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Clip-ons
Here is a site that has information on POLARIZED prescription sunglasses. http://www.actionoptics.com/ KC RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] stork glider
purchased mine about 2 months ago from australian importer. Although I am very pleased with the way it flies, I,m also very disappointed in a couple of areas. First It has a black fuzz not good for the hot Australian summers. Unfortunately I wasn't told it was black before purchase. Second I had manipulated the flaps and ailerons when installing the wing servos and really before the first flight I noticed the hingeing had started to tear from each end of the flaps and ailerons. I rang supplier and mentioned the problems. Nothing could be done about it. Don,t get me wrong!!! the STORK flies beautifully, but I think for the $1500 I paid for it, the quality could have been better. My bit finished. GARRY RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] man on man .....
At 09:47 AM 8/10/99 -0400, you wrote: >Am I missing something here. Why seeded groups? I don't think I would even >come to Nats for a man on man seeded group format. > >What is the advantage over random? > >For those that are questioning Nats program remember there are limits to what >you can do and keep the contest moving. Large groups need rest frequencies, >and frequency gaps to keep things moving along which put limits on true >randomizing and keep a very fast computer chomping for a long time. > >Cal Actually I don't believe that you want random draws they produce too many instances of pilots flying against the same people through out the contest. What is required is a computer programme that remembers who everyone has flown against by storing it in a data base and then refering to it when producing the following rounds. As for man on man I feel that this is the only way to run a contest. in fact I won't compete in any contest that isn't run that way. I haven't seen a draw programme yet that can draw taking into account frequency clashs, team member not flying against each other and still draw a non random draw that doesn't have pilots flying against some other competitors too many times. Some programs get close but none are quite there yet. Eddie Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.users.on.net/camtech/eddie/index.htm ICQ 10556827 > Some of the world's greatest feats were accomplished by people not smart enough to know they were impossible. > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Man on Man out of date
Ray Hayes call or fax..1-(810) 781-7018 Sky Bench Aerotech email. [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.O. Box 316 website.. http://www.skybench.com Washington, Michigan 48094Model Aviation Headquarters -- From: ScrollSander [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring at Airage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Man on Man out of date Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 2:40 AM . .Chris Adams wrote. . Forget the frequnecy conflict problem. DEMAND, if you indeed intend to try a man on man contest, that the pilot be able to switch frequencies! Why, well we used to fly man on man, and we, including the old Airtronics or Joe Wurts crew, would all just show up on one frequency. REMEMBER, if you all have the same frequency then you can't fly against eachother in man on man and eliminate eachother! Nothing like taking all the top places when you don't have to go up against a top pilot! In a Larry Jolly post on this subject, he said I didn't have Man on Man development in California right. I wasn't referring to development in Ca. in my post, I was referring to a specific contest, the 1976 LSF Tournament in Santa Rosa, Ca. But thanks, to Chris Adams post, I can now understand the development of Man on Man in California and why California pilots are opposed to flying winners against winners. And I guess this covers all the folks that are negative to winners flying against winners. They want to stay out of the kitchen. That is ok, I agree with Steve Siebenaler, a contest is a contest, and I enjoy just being a part of the contest. The Dave Thornburg Sunbird Classic contest is coming up in February, 2000, Friday of the "Southwest Classic" contest in Phoenix. I am looking for a comp. program to run the event on a random Man on Man group launching format. We will not fly true man on man (seeded), when in Rome, you do what the Romans do, right. We want this to be a fun social gathering to commemorate Dave's first hand launch contest some 25 years ago, which Chris Adams was a part of. We will have two classes of events, Dave's original rules " no limit on wing span" and Dave's Sunbird kit in a one of a kind event. So far the list of volunteer helpers are: Bob Massman, Ohio.. Dick Hoover, Michigan... Tom Gates,..Michigan Chris Corven, Arizona... oh yes, the man himself Dave Thornburg. Come spend a day with Dave, it will be a blast. Ray ! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Re: Stork Glider
Hello all, I have a great big Stork too. I am / was very happy with it. ( you know where this is heading?). They fly very well, launch extremely well and land well. You do have to plan the landing properly to manage speed, the flaps on them, except the latest US versions, are top hinged and bind on the lower wing skin so you only get about 40/45 deg deflection. You can of course trim away some of the lower skin to get greater movement with out making too large a gap. I have had no skin hinge problems. I could have bought the black one but decided that installing an umbrella on it to keep it cool might affect the flight characteristics a bit too much. I'd be painting it white before next summer or you'd be wearing an asbestos glove to launch it :) Now then, on to model strength. Due to a still undetermined cause, my model went off air near the top of launch and proceeded to do free flight aerobatics till its inevitable return to earth. It went in vertically from about 20m(70ft) and hit dirt. Totally destroyed?. No. Suprisingly the damage wasn't too bad..structurally. Fuse broken in two between wing bolts. Nose cone 90% complete. Stainless tube pushrods stuffed. Ridiculously expensive to replace. Wing ctr section creased and delaminated top and bottom either side of ctr, but spar still seems intact i.e. I couldn't break it. Tried hard though! L/H tip panel some delamination and snapped carbon joiner . R/H tip panel undamaged. Tail undamaged except control horn wires disbonded from ruddervators. Two Volz Micromax servos for flaps stripped. It doesn't sound it but it was repairable and it should be ready to go again in a few days after many weeks of waiting and fixing and radio checks etc. However, I did end up buying another ctr panel and joiner. Expensive. What I am having a lot of trouble getting is replacement gear/shaft sets for my Volz servos. Expensive They've been on order for a few months now and have been fully paid for. I'm going to use some Jr's for the time being. Having had to open one up (I hope no one else gets to see inside one) the fuse lay-up is amazingly well done perhaps it's done by a machine anyhow the model is structurally very strong just don't bingle it. As are all molded bits, parts are expensive freight costs can double the price and then there is duty and exchange rates plus they can take a long time to arrive especially here in Australia. But I really like the way it launches and flies and it'll thermal on a mouse fart. So the moral of the story is. " When you get your Stork up, it's great fun but don't bend it or it'll hurt you below the belt" See you Brian Ford RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[RCSE] CompuFoil web site
Hi All, Just wanted to let the group know that www.compufoil.com is back in service, as well as my normal email addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for your patience to those who emailed me and didn't get a response for several days! Regards, Eric Sanders http://www.compufoil.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] August 21st Seattle HLG Contest!
Attention All, Saturday August 21st will be the day for the Seattle Area Soaring Society's BIG AMA Sanctioned Hand Launch contest. All pilots from around the World are invited to participate in this event. This is your chance to visit the beautiful Pacific NW in the height of summer, and compete against some of the best in the world! This event is sponsored by DJ Aerotech (www.bright.net/~djwerks) and by Thermal-Gromit Works (www.tgworks.com), door prizes will include: gift certificates, kits, and HLG supplies from both of these companies. The contest will be held at 60-Acres park in Redmond (www.reddata.com/sass/sixty_acres.htm). The pilots meeting is scheduled for 9am, with flying to start soon there after. Two classes will be flown, sportsperson, and expert, with the tasks chosen from those flown at Poway and at Muncie this year. Lunch should be available from the soccer concession stands across the street. Contact CD Adam Weston ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) for further details, such as hotel locations and driving directions, or check out the SASS web page: www.reddata.com/sass. Thermals, RED -- Adam Weston Seattle Area Soaring Society RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[RCSE] SoCal HLG Triad Results
Here are the results to the ISS HLG contest, the first leg of the SoCal HLG triad: Expert Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4 Total Paul Anderson 10001000100010004000 Joe Wurts 10001000100010004000 Mark Navarre1000861.25 969.69 981.57 3812.51 Derek Boyer 1000878.42 825.71 949.24 3653.37 Noel Siegel 865.38 840.95 946.127 991.62 3644.077 Greg Norsworthy 1000743.15 973.06 809.05 3525.26 John Roe625 902.4 983.07 949.24 3459.71 Carl Anderson 519.23 770.55 671.74 974.87 2936.39 Mike Lee833.33 502.54 478.84 891.71 2706.42 Jim Wakefield 625 598.98 888.324 477.16 2589.464 David Judson577.78 587.33 792.929 607.45 2565.489 Sportsman Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4 Total Sam Girardi 100010001000883.02 3883.02 Ken Imhoff 833.33 1000100010003833.33 Eric Farmer1000862.71 977.31 962.26 3802.28 Mark Kohlmann 1000884.54 974.18 877.05 3735.77 Keith McClellan 722.22 777.37 803.4 922.13 3225.12 Chris Krumme388.89 760.67 913.15 10003062.71 Keith Millett 600 680.89 758.03 561.48 2600.4 Browne Godwin 466.67 504.65 211.27 167.92 1350.51 Steve Garland 720 0 720 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] stupid mistakes Part 2
If it can happen it will. After flying my 3M stilletto for an hour I launched as normal, Tx and Rx on. The Rx is a little loose in the nose. Half way up the launch the plane drifts left and accelerates into a roll, with no control. Strikes the ground inverted at about 5 degrees shearing off the vertical stab, no other damage, incredible! Double checked the battery and noticed the crystal from my Airtronics Rx was lying in the fuse. Turned everything off, inserted the crystal, and everything worked fine. LESSON; put your Rx in foam. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:mach 2 and zoomed across the street and up into a tree. I discovered that I had forgotten to turn the Transmitter on! Once on, the controls moved great! just still in the tree. subscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Poway CSR Bomber Class
Nate, old boy--- You been smokin' that wacky tabaccy agin??? I don't know how fast the typical TG-3 is, but my Highlander was about twice as fast as everyone else Dan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] stork glider
Gordy, I have a few questions for you. When you are preparing to do a review/write-up on any given glider/sailplane or model accessories, how do you go about it? Does the manufacture have a clue that you will be reviewing his model/hardware? Does he supply the model/hardware? Do you order the model/hardware from a distributor or go to a hobby store and pick it up off of the shelf? (This seems like the only fair way to give a real conclusive and totally unbiased report, to me) Does a manufacture ever request that you give a model or hardware a review and supply it to you? Have you ever had to give a honest review in writing, in a publication and tell the public the model/hardware were a piece of junk or poorly manufactured? (In kinder words of course) Or all reports/reviews on poorly kited, inferior workmanship or just downright lousy products abandoned before press. I'm just curious. You can respond on the exchange, I think there are inquiring minds that would like to know. Thank you for any info. Cliff Lindgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/11/99 7:34:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: purchased mine about 2 months ago from australian importer. Although I am very pleased with the way it flies, I,m also very disappointed in a couple of areas. First It has a black fuzz not good for the hot Australian summers. Unfortunately I wasn't told it was black before purchase. Second I had manipulated the flaps and ailerons when installing the wing servos and really before the first flight I noticed the hingeing had started to tear from each end of the flaps and ailerons. I rang supplier and mentioned the problems. Nothing could be done about it. Don,t get me wrong!!! the STORK flies beautifully, but I think for the $1500 I paid for it, the quality could have been better. My bit finished. GARRY I don't know which Stork you got but it doesn't sound anything like the one we are seeing here in the USA. I just finished a review of the Stork for RC Soaring Digest Magazine and communicated with editors of QFI and Aufwind as well as a half dozen of owner/competitors who all found none of what you are experiencing. Our Stork have white fuselages and no hinge tearing. Our Storks are sailplanes, maybe the glider version isn't the same :-) They cost us under $800 for a complete with wiring harness version. An amazing thermal airplane! Huge lauches and hungrily consumes thermals. There have been a few iterations of the model maybe yours is an older version. I think I would have to 'export' it back to its nest . If you want to see one of the Storks that are coming into the USA (and older version since improved) go to Jim Bacus' web page. I don't have his page but do have his email. A HREF="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"Jim Bacus/A By the way Northeast Sailplane has the very latest version with some mods added especially which include bottom hinged flaps and stiffer fuse resin. A HREF="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"Sal at NSP/A Gordy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] stupid mistakes Part 2
At 10:57 PM 8/11/99 -0400, John Jenks wrote: If it can happen it will. After flying my 3M stilletto for an hour I launched as normal, Tx and Rx on. The Rx is a little loose in the nose. Half way up the launch the plane drifts left and accelerates into a roll, with no control. Strikes the ground inverted at about 5 degrees shearing off the vertical stab, no other damage, incredible! Double checked the battery and noticed the crystal from my Airtronics Rx was lying in the fuse. Turned everything off, inserted the crystal, and everything worked fine. LESSON; put your Rx in foam. LESSON: Put a tape cover over your crystal on the RX, i.e. tape your crystal so it can't slide out, wing tape will do. Apparently they can also shake loose when you do one of those mighty contest landings too many times. Taught to me by Tom Kallevang before I had to learn it the hard way. Jim Visit my R/C Soaring Page at http://www.mcs.net/~bacuslab/soaring.html Visit the S.O.A.R. club page at http://www.mcs.net/~stmeyer/SOAR/index.html RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] reflective wing tape
I know this is getting to the basics. Should the wing tape actually wrap around the leading edge, Does it make any difference aerodynamically wear the tape starts or stops. What is generally accepted as enough tape to do any good, i.e. 3/4" 1", etc What sources outside the hobby industry have what I need? Local hobby shop's do not cater to sailplaners. TIA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] stork glider (reviews)
It is considered courtesy to contact the mfg. before press and notify them of a possible problem. Many times, new kits have been updated. Other times, a reviewer might have misunderstood something, or just screwed up. It is nice to give the reading public ALL available information. Wiggle your sticks David Judson Cliff Lindgren wrote: Gordy, I have a few questions for you. snip Or all reports/reviews on poorly kited, inferior workmanship or just downright lousy products abandoned before press.snip . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/11/99 7:34:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: purchased mine about 2 months ago from australian importer. Although I am very pleased with the way it flies, I,m also very disappointed in a couple of areas. First It has a black fuzz not good for the hot Australian summers. Unfortunately I wasn't told it was black before purchase. Second I had manipulated the flaps and ailerons when installing the wing servos and really before the first flight I noticed the hingeing had started to tear from each end of the flaps and ailerons. I rang supplier and mentioned the problems. Nothing could be done about it. Don,t get me wrong!!! the STORK flies beautifully, but I think for the $1500 I paid for it, the quality could have been better. My bit finished. GARRY I don't know which Stork you got but it doesn't sound anything like the one we are seeing here in the USA. I just finished a review of the Stork for RC Soaring Digest Magazine and communicated with editors of QFI and Aufwind as well as a half dozen of owner/competitors who all found none of what you are experiencing. Our Stork have white fuselages and no hinge tearing. Our Storks are sailplanes, maybe the glider version isn't the same :-) They cost us under $800 for a complete with wiring harness version. An amazing thermal airplane! Huge lauches and hungrily consumes thermals. There have been a few iterations of the model maybe yours is an older version. I think I would have to 'export' it back to its nest . If you want to see one of the Storks that are coming into the USA (and older version since improved) go to Jim Bacus' web page. I don't have his page but do have his email. A HREF="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"Jim Bacus/A By the way Northeast Sailplane has the very latest version with some mods added especially which include bottom hinged flaps and stiffer fuse resin. A HREF="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"Sal at NSP/A Gordy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] reflective wing tape
At 10:46 PM 8/11/99 -0500, Stan Myers wrote: I know this is getting to the basics. Should the wing tape actually wrap around the leading edge, Does it make any difference aerodynamically wear the tape starts or stops. What is generally accepted as enough tape to do any good, i.e. 3/4" 1", etc It should just cover the boo boo on your LE completely. Then put a matching one on the other side of the wing to complete the camouflage. 8-) What sources outside the hobby industry have what I need? Local hobby shop's do not cater to sailplaners. Automotive stores have all kinds of reflective tapes. I hear the oldtimers really like the plain shinny silver stuff. I kinda like the holographic tape that makes different colors, what ever flicks your bic. Jim Visit my R/C Soaring Page at http://www.mcs.net/~bacuslab/soaring.html Visit the S.O.A.R. club page at http://www.mcs.net/~stmeyer/SOAR/index.html RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
