[RCSE] First Flight Report/Problems..
My Soon to be Solar airplane had its first flight today without cells. It was a good news /bad news flight Good news... It has plenty of power and the pitch trim stability seemed to be good. Bad news... It has a spiral stability problem. It was a bumpy strong thermal day and it got upset and entered whatlooked like a classic case of the death spiral With full opposite rudder the spiral just got steeper until it hit the ground. With such a slow aircraft this all happened in slow motion. It was in the CSRC long grass so the only damage was one wing tip. It is easily repairable. Now to speculate on why this happened. It is a Rudder Elevator bird with no Ailerons 1)I believe that I do not have enough Dihedral by a factor of two. It was recommended that I have at least 10 degrees. I read this as ten degrees total angle at the wing root, 5 degrees on both sides. The general consensus on the flying field is that 10 degrees refers to both wings, and the total angle at the center section should be 20 degrees. Should it be 10 total or 10 each side? 2)The vertical stabilizer fails the "that looks about right" test by looking to be too large. Since I have a large moment of inertia I was targeting the vertical tail volume of 0.025 to 0.030 The calculated Vv of the plane as flown is 0.030 21" span * 10" cord on 44" arm aft of a 14" cord wing with 178 in span. (The 10" cord includes 4" of rudder and 6" of stab) Vv = A_vert * arm_vert / A_wing * span Vv= ((21*10)*44)/(14*148*148) =0.030 Is this too much v stab? With the fairly long AR stab, full rudder seems like it would induce a rolling moment, the wrong way. The way it is made it would be trivial to reduce the span by 2.5" to 18.5" Vv=0.0265 or to 16" Vv=0.0229 Should I do this? Thanks in advance for any help Paul RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Fw: Volz temp drift history
Forwarded with permission, as Arend is not on the list. Another copy will show up in a week or so, when our moderator returns from the US NATS. Jon Stone - Original Message - From: Arend Borst To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 1:29 PM Subject: [FAIsoaring] Volz temp drift history TEMPERATURE DRIFT IS HISTORY. Well, I guess it is time for my ten cents worth. I am Arend Borst, and with two third placings in the last two World Camps, I can safely say to be consistent. Volz servo's have been the only servo's in my F3J planes for the last three years, and the occurring temperature drift has not kept me from being competitive. MV found the culprit to this problem, and I received the components that supposedly would solve this drift, shortly before the World Champs in Greece. I had my components shipped to Canada within two days , installed them myself, emptied two transmitter packs during the following Saturday while putting these new components to the test. Furthermore I very closely observed the neutral positions of all surfaces during the 120 degree HEAT test on Corfu. Visually I can no longer detect this temperature drifting, and for me that means that the problem is solved. MV told me that from now on every servo leaving his plant has this new component installed. I have seen more innovations and improvements in these servo's over the last three years than I could ever expect, and that means that they probably continue to get even better than they already are. You might think I am getting paid to say this, na na, I just thought that some credit to MV is appropriate. After reading some of the discussions on the exchange, I would like to share one of my principals that I believe could help a lot of you stay out of technical trouble more than you did before. I always use components that are qualified or even over qualified for doing their job. That is why I will never use plastic gears in an F3J / F3B model, not even for a V-tail. That is why I prefer a five cell ni-cad battery pack. That is why I will never use any unproven epoxy, or 5 minute epoxy. That is why The Stratos is the plane I use since the spar has never been broken on a two man tow, by anybody. For example ( In the US it was D.Perkins, and in Canada G.Clarck who both missed a spot on their national team, because of wing spar failures during the flyoffs.) Maybe I go overboard on some of my criteria, but in the long run I believe it pay's of if you arefully examine your planes possible weaknesses, and eliminate them without compromise. There is at least one thing where I could not seem to get a handle on in Corfu, and that is preventing line breaks. And I know there are a few others trying to figure out why they had this problem as well. So we continue Arend Borst. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] CVRC Web Site Update.
The link on the CVRC Web Site has been activated with Hotel's and Motel's Name's and Phone numbers. For those who plan to attend The Visalia CVRC Fall Festival 2000 in October. Reminder: there is 7 DAY's left till the entry forms are to be mailed. If you need a entry form you may find our site at: http://home.earthlink.net/~cvrcsoaring/cvrc.htm Larry Taylor CD --- Larry Taylor --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] RedRock NV Slope
Hi Gang, After a little bit of experimentation I was able to get some lictures of Red Rock. I took my digital camera and took some panoramic shots. Please bear with the download time as they are 100K and I will try to get them lower. Please tell me how they show up on your computer? http://www.scrollsander.com/Soaring-Red-Rock2.htm See ya, Chris Adams http://www.scrollsander.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [RCSE] Flying in Colorado
Which of your sailplanes do you refer to as 'sweetheart'? Richard Bothell wrote: My sweetheart and I will be traveling and camping in Colorado RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Help! I keep loosing my trainer chords!
The English language is dying. It's being butchered to death. robert k scott wrote: Does anyone know why many people are suddenly having a problem with homonyms? Does anyone have any ideas what's causing this? -robert RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Harly Michaelis
Harley, I tried to send you email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] (address from MAN article) and recieved a bounce message. Please contact me off line Harley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] John ___ $1 million in prizes! 20 daily instant winners. AltaVista Rewards: Click here to win! http://shopping.altavista.com/e.sdc?e=3 ___ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] 30.9 meter sailplane
Check out the 30.9 meter wingspan sailplane at: http://www.eta-aircraft.de/en/news/index.html That's over a 100 feet of wing in Imperial measure! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Help! I keep loosing my trainer chords!
Not that this is purely soaring-related, but it's better than snarling at each other over RX/TX techno-bits! But sure, that's an easy one to answer. It's basically been the advent of the computer, especially lately with the increasing popularity of the Internet and email-based communication. Just think about what computers provide for us: Spell check: allows people to just "get in the ballpark" before a quick right-click settles things right again. Why bother to learn to spell if you'll always have a checker to do it for you? Some high-schools are even allowing provicial-level exams in English and Social Studies to be written on a processor. Email: You only have to look at a list like this, informal as it might be, to see that it is easy to get into the habit of being lazy when writing. A lot of posts here have no semblance of grammar or structure (eg. ALL IN CAPS), and a few don't even bother with punctuation (I find such posts especially frustrating to read). Forgive my sounding like a technophobe, but that's just the way I see it. I think a lot of the problem comes with people not taking much time to read anymore, as well. Just my thoughts... Cheers, Adam From: "robert k scott" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Help! I keep loosing my trainer chords! Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 00:10:36 -0700 Does anyone know why many people are suddenly having a problem with homonyms? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Help! I keep loosing my trainer chords!
Good observations, Robert. Just off-hand, I think there is a deteriorating regard for proper use of the language and inattention to errors being made, particularly among younger people. This is partly the fault of the educational system which doesn't want to stifle a student's imagination and creativity by correcting his/her spelling. Perhaps some people do not differentiate between "chord" and "cord", "losing" and "loosing", "there" and "their", "ailrons" and "ailerons", "don't" and "doesn't", etc. or just plain do not care. On occasion, I have called errors to the attention of the "offenders" when the misuse is flagrant, repetitious and borders on the annoying. This is offered in a spirit of being helpful, rather than critical. Usually, a thankful response will follow, although some get defensive. However, it is very easy to see only what we intended to write or thought we wrote, rather than what we actually did. I often find I have failed to edit out some errors after I reread something I've sent off, so have to realize it can happen to others, too. -- From: robert k scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Help! I keep loosing my trainer chords! Date: Sunday, July 23, 2000 12:10 AM Does anyone know why many people are suddenly having a problem with homonyms? I've been noticing this in both print media and on the web/usenet/email. I can understand the chord/cord thing to an extent; 'chord' IS basically jargon unless you are an aerospace engineer of some sort, but 'cord' as in 'a trainer cord' isn't, really- its a common everyday term, and is used a lot more than 'chord' which is for airfoils and stringed musical instruments. You would think people would make the mistake the other way 'round, and in the case of wings, most hard info we see is in PRINT, so the people making these mistakes should have been spelling the way they learned the word and making pronunciation errors. It baffles me how 2 homonyms can be confused when no one is pronouncing the words! I'm not just picking on people posting to mailing lists here. I've recently caught Time magazine stating that Russia was still loosing the space race. Does anyone have any ideas what's causing this? -robert RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Who flew what list.
Did I just miss the who flew what list at the Spring Fling or has it not made it out yet? Regards, Perry RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Visalia entry
I know someone posted the web page that has the Visalia entry on it last week but I deleted the file that it was in. Could someone send the address to me again? Thanks Brian Iten RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Help! I keep loosing my trainer chords!
Maybe its dew to son flares, or earthquacks or maybe its. I here my Tx battery beeping, must be lowe voteage, got to go. robert k scott wrote: Does anyone know why many people are suddenly having a problem with homonyms? Does anyone have any ideas what's causing this? -robert -- Remember, if you think nobody cares, try missing a couple of payments. Bob Pope Laguna Hills, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] [ANN] sMPX v1.0b3 for Multiplex PROFI mc3030
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Re: [RCSE] People you should know!
Greetings, I forgot! Phil Renaud helped me to set up, Daryl Perkins gave me some needed counseling as well. Mike Lachowski's electronic timing/lap counting system made the whole day whiz by! The fliers were kind to me also. = Dennis Phelan __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Mine is Better Than Yours
How quickly the world forgetsthe name of the boat was Australia II.hint, hint. Michael Melbourne, Australia ICQ 3481522 -Original Message- From: Jim Cubbage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 25 July 2000 7:20 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [RCSE] Mine is Better Than Yours snip Actually, when Dennis lost the cup the first time, Stars and Stripes was at a distinct disadvantage in the lighter winds to the Kiwi's famed winged keel. That boat proved better on all points of sail in the lighter winds. This design proved so successful that in all of the keel designs of today, you will see a variation on that concept. Everyone has wings now a days. SaS did better in the higher winds, which were not to be found during the contest. I remember Conner winning a couple of races that year to the cheers of the Brigade. Being a sailing school they would announce the roundings regularly. However, I believe the advantage was about .5 knots better speed which at the roundings would translate into 5 to 15 second advantage per leg. In sailing at that level, that is HUGE! In America's cup races, if you win a race by 30 seconds, that is considered blowing them away. This forced Conner to take more chances. He couldn't play cover so he would mix it up, trying to get into a tacking duel, but the Kiwi's were better. His only chance was to run away from the Kiwi's try and find more wind on the other side of the course. When splitting, you risk all. Sure, he lost and sometimes big, but if he stayed with it, sailed conservative, then he surely would have lost but only by the speed difference of the boats. __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] And now for something really important - Poison Oak
I just had a similar poison ivy experience. Which was truly annoying, as a beginner I made a dumb choice and crash landed in the bushes. All because I decided too early that I could land closer to myself to avoid the long walk across the field. Anyway.. to make it worse I was rewarded with poison ivy. I went online and did quite a bit of research and discovered a drug called Zanfel (www.zanfel.com) I heard great things about it from lots of other web pages, and I spent the 50 bucks to order some. It is an amazing drug and works GREAT!!! It removes the oil from the skin and quickly (within a day or two) clears up your symptoms. (sp?) Anyway.. I highly recommend it. It works for poison ivy, sumak, and oak. Check it out, feel free to email me for more info. Also, its important to remove the oil from whatever contacted it by washing with soap and water. You must even wash your planes, clothes, shoes etc. Once you contact the oil you have about 15 minutes to wash thoroughly before you are doomed. The oil can also stick to whatever contacted it for over a year, so you can continue to make contact with it. So try washing when returning from the field if its persistant. Good Luck. Hope this helps others too. Nick RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Mine is Better Than Yours
In a message dated 7/24/00 7:53:10 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How quickly the world forgetsthe name of the boat was Australia II.hint, hint. Shesh don't confuse me with the facts. You guys are an unforgiving lot... Kristopher RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Mine is Better Than Yours
In a message dated 7/24/00 5:39:32 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm a Kiwi, but I loved that Cat! It was the perfect response to the "rogue" big boat challenge. I wished he would have been man (gentleman) enough to build a "real" boat to sail in that cup. Would have certainly been more entertaining than the ensuing court case. Kristopher RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Mine is Better Than Yours
In a message dated 7/24/00 4:21:49 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, I believe the advantage was about .5 knots better speed which at the roundings would translate into 5 to 15 second advantage per leg. In sailing at that level, that is HUGE! In America's cup races, if you win a race by 30 seconds, that is considered blowing them away. Well if it was such an advantage, why did it go to the 7th race of a 7 race series? The winged keel was really only better on some points of sail. The main advantage was that it allowed the boat to point higher, there by making better VMG to the mark. It was a tradeoff, like many things in soaring. It only gave a mild advantage, probably more mental than anything. And BTW, the Judy XC kicks butt, you can keep your Answer anyday Kristopher RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Mine is Better Than Yours
Wasn't that the Banana Boat? - Original Message - From: Michael Imsic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Cubbage [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 11:34 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Mine is Better Than Yours How quickly the world forgetsthe name of the boat was Australia II.hint, hint. Michael Melbourne, Australia ICQ 3481522 -Original Message- From: Jim Cubbage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 25 July 2000 7:20 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [RCSE] Mine is Better Than Yours snip Actually, when Dennis lost the cup the first time, Stars and Stripes was at a distinct disadvantage in the lighter winds to the Kiwi's famed winged keel. That boat proved better on all points of sail in the lighter winds. This design proved so successful that in all of the keel designs of today, you will see a variation on that concept. Everyone has wings now a days. SaS did better in the higher winds, which were not to be found during the contest. I remember Conner winning a couple of races that year to the cheers of the Brigade. Being a sailing school they would announce the roundings regularly. However, I believe the advantage was about .5 knots better speed which at the roundings would translate into 5 to 15 second advantage per leg. In sailing at that level, that is HUGE! In America's cup races, if you win a race by 30 seconds, that is considered blowing them away. This forced Conner to take more chances. He couldn't play cover so he would mix it up, trying to get into a tacking duel, but the Kiwi's were better. His only chance was to run away from the Kiwi's try and find more wind on the other side of the course. When splitting, you risk all. Sure, he lost and sometimes big, but if he stayed with it, sailed conservative, then he surely would have lost but only by the speed difference of the boats. __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] And now for something really important - Poison Oak
Hey now, my friend who gets real bad poison oak always takes a bath in cool water with corn starch. That seems to draw out the volital oils that cause the rash. I my self, don't get the rash but I feel your itch. RobII *'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.* [EMAIL PROTECTED] Erica Frank Rob Carter II "I believe in nothing; everything is sacred. I believe in everything; nothing is sacred." --The Chink RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE]
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Re: [RCSE] RedRock NV Slope(my newby landing tip)
Chris' pictures of Red Rock came out pretty good. If you look at the back side pic you can see Stead field in the background, the site of the Reno Air Races. Just a note to those who havent flown there- As one can see there are a lot of rocks, it looks a little intimidating, especially when one first flies there. My first time I was alone there, kind of blown away by all the rocks(and the 35mph wind!) and just stood around trying to decide if I should risk landing my molded F3B plane there. No need for worry- if you look at backside pic and scroll to right you see a dirt road going up a hill, just fly back behind the road a little(not way far back though-rotor) in that area, turn back into the wind and land on the road or just behind it in the brush-very few rocks and brush makes for a nice cushion. You will find the air in this saddle area very laminar, super smooth-some of the easiest landings I have experienced on the slope- Walter -Original Message- From: ScrollSander [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nick Trubov, Lorree, Corbin U.P. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tom Stowers [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tom (S3) Black [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ron/Dennis Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Oliver Lieder [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mohit H. Aggarwal (S3) [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Lyn Disbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Lee Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Larry Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jim Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jim Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Harold Siegfried [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Frank Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bryan Woosley [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bill Gillis and Melissa Philpott Gillis [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bill Avery [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Adam Kremerrs [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dan Leon [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring at Airage [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, July 24, 2000 8:17 AM Subject: [RCSE] RedRock NV Slope Hi Gang, After a little bit of experimentation I was able to get some lictures of Red Rock. I took my digital camera and took some panoramic shots. Please bear with the download time as they are 100K and I will try to get them lower. Please tell me how they show up on your computer? http://www.scrollsander.com/Soaring-Red-Rock2.htm See ya, Chris Adams http://www.scrollsander.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] More MPX GOOD NEWS!
In a message dated 07/24/2000 7:58:36 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Darryl came over to Team MPX USA specifically to use the Profi 4000 with MCV2 digital servos in his campaign to make a run at winning the world championships an unheard of four times in a row! We wish him well. Winning the F3B and winning the fly offs at the nats in F3J must have been a good show! A good show indeed! Not only was Mr. Perkins maxing flights and nailing turns, but he was serving drinks from the deck of HMS Profi 4000 as well. Did you miss breakfast? No problems there, either, as the toast comes out the top and the bacon on the bottom. Daryl had it goin' on this weekend and we saw some great flying. He managed to score a few too many points in F3B for my tastes, though. I fell short of qualifying 'cause I only had 88.9% of the winner's score and although I maxed duration, I only managed 14 laps and a 22 speed run. My moment of glory was taking a thousand in a distance round with 14 laps, which tied Mike Lachowski and was one better than Daryl's 13. I couldn't believe it because I completely suck and have not practiced at all! Oh well, must be the monkeys in front of a typewriter syndrome. I'm sure I don't know, but factoring the supremeness of the Cobra with the inadequacies of the Vision together with my suckiness just does not equal a thousand in anything, especially against Daryl armed with a Profi 4000. Maybe the momentary lapse that occurred while he was buttering the toast left him a hair short on that final lap. I bet Multiplex has people working on the ATBM (Automatic Toast Buttering Module) even now. Bill Wingstedt RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Mine is better than yours
Guys and Gals, Did I happen to accidently subscribe to the Sailing exchange or is this still the SOARING exchange? Just checking, since there is more America's Cup Posts than soaring lately. See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] A sporting proposal (HLG noise...)
ScrollSander wrote: At Visalia, I still await to see a plane go over the wires on the initial throw. Chris, I have a sporting proposal for you. As you have in the past mentioned a fondness for certain types of grain based beverages, I propose that we use such for the currency. First, I'll put up your winning potential for review. The challenge: If I cannot throw higher than the powerlines on the west side of the field, I'll provide you with a case of the your favorite beverage. In order to make it sporting, for me to get an award, I'll give you two options. Neither are the simple task of clearing the powerlines, as I consider that task trivial in nature. The first option: For every loop that I do around the powerlines, you provide me with a six pack of my favorite beverage. second option: If I can throw at least twice as high as the powerlines, you provide me with a case of my favorite beverage. The gauntlet has been thrown. And BTW, a true sportsman would combine options 1 and 2. :-) Rules and restrictions: All true contests have rules and restrictions... :-) 1) All throws will be done in the typically smooth evening air on Friday evening before the Soaring Festival. Evening is defined as commencing at one hour before sunset. Sunset will be at about 17:25 PST, so the event will commence at about 16:25 PST (I dunno if daylight time ends before Oct 8th). 2) The contest will be null and void if I develop an obvious and debilitating physical injury (or work does something mean/cruel to my schedule...). 3) I get three attempts to accomplish the task of your choice. The best result of the three counts (or in case of option 1, the average of the three...). 4) Contact with the powerlines results in a reflight in case of option 1. A missed or invalid rangefinder reading results in a reflight in case of option 2. 5) The first option is measured via the obvious method (does the plane obviously go over or under the powerlines, at the top of the loop). The second option is measured via a laser rangefinder, comparing the upper cross-bar of the pole to the ground at the base of the pole vs. the height of the plane at the top of the launch vs the ground height that I throw from. 6) The quality of the loops is immaterial in the first option. The real point of measurement is the number of consecutive alternating passes over and under the powerlines, which will be defined as looping the powerlines for the purposes of this contest. Heights with a rangefinder have to be reviewed continually for vertical, that is you almost have to fall over backwards when getting the measurement. I tried to lie on the ground to get the measurement and one could not get the plane in sight easily. It is easy to be off of vertical more than 15 degrees. I'm a bit confused here. Flying straight over the rangefinder should be an absolutely trivial task. After all, it is about an order of magnitude easier than it would be to hit a balloon 100 feet in the air, which you said if you cannot, you are not an HLG pilot. From my perspective, flying over a laser rangefinder is primarily a single axis problem (left/right). Hitting a balloon at a reasonable altitude is somewhere between a two and three axis problem. And each axis that you add, adds about a half order of magnitude of difficulty... To whoever is organizing the HLG event on Sat please make sure that I can get in... Well, I've given you a HLG event that you can participate in at Visalia. Nope, you don't get to fly, but you still have a similar chance of winning regardless, or even far better if your perceptions are accurate! Best regards, Joe Wurts RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] CVRC Web Site Update.
The Contest is always the First Complete Week End of October (Sat. and Sun.) Every now and then the First fall's on a Sunday and it does mess up some people. We have club members that forget about it sometimes. Larry Taylor CD [Original Message] From: Darwin N Barrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 7/24/00 4:18:45 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] CVRC Web Site Update. Larry Taylor wrote: The link on the CVRC Web Site has been activated with Hotel's and Motel's Name's and Phone numbers. Hi Larry, Just curious as to why you guys didn't use the traditional first weekend in October? I had to change my time off request after the forms came out!! Good thing I didn't make any plane reservations yet. Darwin N. Barrie Scottsdale AZ CASL --- Larry Taylor --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
