[RCSE] Re: RES kit?
At 04:12 PM 7/5/2001 -0400, David A. Enete wrote: Andy Page wrote: What's your pick for the best all-wood RES kit that's currently available? I don't own one, but the RCSE community has offered up accolades for the Majestic by Laser Arts Co. several times in the past when this question was asked. I believe I saw one in Rob Glover's basement while in Huntsville. Maybe he could tell you more. It's not an all wood kit. It has a fiber glass tail boom. I dunno if that will eliminate it from the list of potentials. I've never built one, but there are some interesting looking, large, all wood RES planes offered at: http://skybench.com/ Cheers, Bill -- Nobody cares if you can't dance well. Just get up and dance. Bill Johns Pullman, WA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] RES kit?
Based on comments and what I have seen at the field, I'd chose two: The 2-m Big Bird or 3-m Sky Bird from Skybench Aerotech at http://www.skybench.com/ and the Majestic from Laser Arts at http://members.aol.com/laserartco/ . Although the Majestic does has a CF tailboom, the wing, fuse and tailfeathers are wood and built-up, so it would qualify. --Bill From: Andy Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] RES kit? Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 11:06:27 -0700 What's your pick for the best all-wood RES kit that's currently available? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com What's your pick for the best all-wood RES kit that's currently available? Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Re: RES kit?
I have built both the Majestic and the Sovereign. Both are laser cut kits of exception quality and value. The parts fit was perfect. Yes, perfect. I've never had a kit with such great parts fit. There are a couple of Majestic's flying in our club right now. I haven't quite finished with my Majestic but the two that are flying all report great results. The two meter kit couldn't have been easier to build. The wing is very strong and should have no trouble handling a strong winch launch. These kits finish into a nice looking bird that you can be proud of. The fuselage pod is built like a preverbial brick house. STRONG and crash worthy. If you don't like a V tail glider and want a more traditional design, Laser Arts does have a new kit they are selling that is billed as a Oly II upgrade. AND if you don't like that, Whyte Wings has reissued the Oly II. At $69.99 it's a steal. One more to consider would be the Paragon. Hope this helps. Ed RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Tip Stall or -
It does sound like tip stall, Bill. Moving the CG forward will only make the plane less maneuverable. As far as what to do about the wing - Did you like anything about it? That is the first question you need to answer before repairing it. Since you already are repairing it, I guess that you will answer yes. I have a THICK wing on an old HOB 2x2 that I keep repairing because it goes up on light lift, is tough, and I have a so what if it ends up a pile of toothpicks attitude toward it. (But notice that I keep repairing it - wind eats airplanes ;) Second - washout will help. But so will flying the plane faster. Try the washout, but don't get carried away. At high speeds the washout will actually cause the tip to lift downward. Since it is tip stalling, you are most likely flying slow and the washout will help more than hurt. Any chance that there was accidental wash-IN? Lastly - I would suggest getting the plans for a better wing or more suitable plane for where you fly. It costs more and there is emotional attachment to the other plane - no matter how bad it flies - but in the long term, you will be happier flying it. A good foam wing is an excellent investment for slope flying cuz wind eats (built-up) airplanes. Good luck. Tom Koszuta Buffalo, NY - Original Message - From: Bill Kuhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 9:26 AM Subject: [RCSE] Tip Stall or - When a crash is a good thing. Flew my Primera two-meter on a slope yesterday, and as luck would have it, hit a post on landing. The damage was just in one wing section, which I started repairing. Noted the wing has a very large hardwood spar which was good to see, but is also why the wing is rather heavy, the chord is also rather narrow. The thought occurred to me, that I have another wing from an Eclipse two-meter electric that might work, even matching colors. Sure enough the wing would work, although it extended back past the wing saddle. It was really windy by now, but I just had to try flying with the new wing. Hand tossing showed that the plane flew better on this wing. Was even able to climb in thermals from a handlaunch. About the Tip Stall The original wing had a tip stall problem, was thinking of trying to warp some washout into it. Flying with the new wing the tip stall problem was very much improved. The new wing had a thicker section, a wider chord which moved CG forward, and a lower wing loading and lower aspect ratio. My question is; should I try washout in the original wing when repaired, move the CG farther forward, or continue to use the new wing. Problem with the new wing is that it is one-piece. Or maybe I should build a whole new wing. Thanks, Bill Kuhl RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Sovereign 2-Meter
I was linking at the link to the Laser Arts web site, noticed the Sovereign 2 meter kit for $69.00. Anyone see this plane fly? Thanks, Bill Kuhl RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Re: RES kit?
Now my wife calls and tells me this box from Laser Arts has arrived. What timing. My 2M Gnome may be put aside so I can complete this. So many people have praised this plane. She wants me to put in laminate flooring before I start. Ugh. :-) On a different note, I wonder what all wood means anymore. I noticed on the picture for the SkyBird, the wing is on the board being assembled. Looks like CF on top of the bottom spar. Composite materials are creeping in everywhere. Personally, I think seeing the old and new blend is pretty neat. Kind of like laminate flooring bringing wood and new materials together. Somehow I don't get the same feeling about the floor. :-) --- Ed Berris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have built both the Majestic and the Sovereign. Both are laser cut kits of exception quality and value. The parts fit was perfect. Yes, perfect. I've never had a kit with such great parts fit. There are a couple of Majestic's flying in our club right now. I haven't quite finished with my Majestic but the two that are flying all report great results. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Whisper 2M?
I only new about the all moulded model from X models in the Eastern block which I believe is the same model as you have in the States. Dave In message 000701c104ac$976d6720$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Dave Seay [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Sorry if this sounds too obvious but I want to make sure we are all discussing the same plane. There is a older Whisper 2M available as a short-kit from DC Hobby(http://dchobby.com/short%20kit/whisper.html) and a new molded Whisper 2M available at Hobby-Lobby (http://www.hobby-lobby.com/whisper.htm). It is the later we are discussing. Dave RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- dave RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] RES kit?
Paragon is hard to beat. Jim - Original Message - From: Andy Page To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 1:06 PM Subject: [RCSE] RES kit? What's your pick for the best all-wood RES kit that's currently available? Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Sovereign 2-Meter
Bill, Yes! I have 2 of them, One has been flying for the past year and the second is under construction. The first one was build right off the plans except for adding some carbon fiber to the spars. I tend to have a bit of a heavy foot on the winch. The glider winches very well and can thermal with the best of them. At a recent contest I came in second. It builds very light. I have become a bit of a Laser Arts fan I also have 2 of the Majestics as well, this too is a real sweet ship with serious contest ability. John Hayes
[RCSE] Re: RES kit?
David is right - That was a Majestic he saw in my basement. It is the best wood kit I ever built, the engineering and quality are great. The tail boom is not carbon, it is some kind of glass, fairly heavy and a little flexible. I did beef the spar up a little, but you don't really need to. I like to see the expression on the face of a gorilla winch owner with a 300 LB test line when I prove that my "wood" wing plane is capable of breaking his line. Don't ask me what I did, it's silly and I'm embarrassed. Every time I pick the fuselage up I think "I could build a lighter one with a conventional tail that would be better." Then I go out and fly the silly thing and forget that foolishness. The stuff I see on today's RCSE caused me to go look at all the new stuff on Laser Arts website. Guess I may have to build another wood wing plane soon... happy trails - Rob Glover
Re: [RCSE] RES kit?
At 01:06 PM 7/5/2001, Andy Page wrote: What's your pick for the best all-wood RES kit that's currently available? I'm told by SOAR longtimers it's the Astro-Jeff http://skybench.com/ Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of Chicago SOAR club ICQ 6997780R/C Soaring Page at http://www.mcs.net/~bacuslab/soaring.html RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Utah
At 11:51 AM 7/3/01 -0400, Dave and Elaine wrote: Will be around Salt Lake City 7/7 and again on 7/18-20 (and traveling around Utah in-between). I won't have a sailplane with me, but, I would like to see others flying; looking for stuff to do while wife attends a conference. Suggestions? Directions? TIA Dave Hi Dave, I just answered your email that was sent to me. If anyone else is looking for information about soaring in Utah, feel free to check out our club's website at: http://www.silentflyer.org/http://www.silentflyer.org. Tom Hoopes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Sovereign 2-Meter
The BASS club, here in Baltimore MD., is using this plane as a One design project. We have flown a couple of events now. It is a great plane. Would highly recommend the sovereign to the soaring community. Pete Schlitzkus --- Bill Kuhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was linking at the link to the Laser Arts web site, noticed the Sovereign 2 meter kit for $69.00. Anyone see this plane fly? Thanks, Bill Kuhl RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] For Sale
I have an open class Shadow Plus, built, no radio gear, for sale for $190.00 which includes shipping to anywhere in the continental US. This plane was once sold by NSP and here is a link to the page they used to have on their site... http://www.nesail.com/shadow.html This is a photo of the actual plane... http://www.mustangone.com/MySailPlanes/ShadowPlus2.jpg I have the original manual that originally came with the kit. I purchased this plane from a friend last year but never got around to flying it. To the best of my knowledge and based on a close visual inspection, the plane is fully air-worthy. There was some sort of minor damage done to the wing by the prior owner but it was repaired. The damage was on the right wing under the area that has the red/white stripes on it in the photo. I was assured that the plane was flown since the repairs and still performs great. I will accept personal checks, money orders or PayPal. Payment by personal check will require a 10 business day wait, obviously. I have a digital camera and can provide more photos if you are willing to wait a day to tow. Please contact me, off line, by email. Thanks, Dave RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] RES model
I enjoyed my GEMINI MTS from the same designer as the paragon. With its thick airfoil you had a very strong wing which take abuse and keep flying. Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] FA: RnR Genesis
FA: RnR Genesis RNR Genseis 113 inch wingspan 7037 Airfoil Full flying horizontal stab 6 HS-81MG Servos Cirrus LED Battery Meter Cermark 1100 Mah battery Add your RX and FLY! Custom carry case included Small skin buckle on lower left wing panel. Looks and flys great Flying wt is 70 oz. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1614287161 more pics at http://members.home.net/sgiron/genesis RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
