[RCSE] Los Banos Scale Soaring meet is this weekend!

2004-04-19 Thread Bruce DeVisser
Attention all West Coast Scale soaring enthusiasts - the 11th Annual Los
Banos Scale Soaring Event event will be this weekend April 24th  25th! Come
early and enjoy the slope or tow if there is no wind - usually someone is
around to tow on Friday.

Info: http://www.sbss.org/LosBanos2004/losbanos2004.htm
Registration form: http://www.sbss.org/LosBanos2004/losbanos2004.htm
Map: http://www.sbss.org/LosBanosStuff/banos_map.jpg
Hotels: http://www.sbss.org/LosBanosStuff/LosBanosHotels.htm

This year we have a new field layout, some nice prizes (including a
full-scale sailplane ride), and Gold Medal Soaring (see
www.scalesoaring.net). Lunch will be available as usual both days.

We have tow planes and one of the best scale slope sites in the country.

Please bring your scale gliders out and join us!

Any questions email me.

Bruce DeVisser
Los Banos Event Organizer
VP, SBSS

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[RCSE] where to buy a Winch

2004-04-19 Thread Oscar Taboada
Hi...

a friend of mine is looking for a new winch, but he say´s he has not found
on internet where to buy it.

please note that he wants a ready to use winch, not parts to build it. I
would appreciate any help

thanks

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RE: [RCSE] big air day..me too !!

2004-04-19 Thread strotherbj
I am working back in Greenville SC.
I went down to fly with the Atlanta Crew this Last Saturday..
What a nice day, and a great group of guys.
Tim (Sean Conery) Foster and his F3B team were practicing on their brand New F3B 
WInches...
You guys would know that Tim is Tim, until he speakswow !!
Vedry nice pieces of work, to say the least.
Me, I got my New Icon Punkin Orange semi - tuned.12 minutes in 6 minute air, 
.I am sorta happy.. VGB

Jack

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j/
 Great day in down-state Illinois also. Got to put some trim flights on the new 
 Icon (WOW!), we also had the pleasure of having David McCarthy fly with us. He 
 got his first tast of aerotowing and seemed to really enjoy it. He also hooked a 
 booming thermal with my Tragi off the zip-start and specked out. 
  
 Regards,
  
 John Diniz
 
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Re: [RCSE] Stiff Aileron

2004-04-19 Thread Iflyicrash
In a message dated 4/18/04 11:39:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


You probably should use something thicker than an exacto, as well - I
found the smallest screwdriver in a micro set was just right - the line
needs to be thick enough that the epoxy doesn't meet when the the
ailerons are flexed.

I have a broken hacksaw blade I use for "digging" out the slot of epoxy . I ground the broken end off smooth to allow the teeth to meet the slot. Bill G.





Hawksnest Soaring
Shermans Dale, PA


Re: [RCSE] where to buy a Winch

2004-04-19 Thread Andrew E. Mileski
Oscar Taboada wrote:
Hi...

a friend of mine is looking for a new winch, but he say´s he has not found
on internet where to buy it.
please note that he wants a ready to use winch, not parts to build it. I
would appreciate any help
All winch vendors that I know about:
  http://isoar.ca/~andrewm/bkmks/RC/Sailplane_Launch/Vendors/
Some offer kits, others fully assembled, some both.
FWIW, I bought a fully-assembled Winch Doctor winnc (WDW),
and am very happy with it.
--
Andrew E. Mileski
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Re: [RCSE] Stiff Aileron

2004-04-19 Thread Mike Bailey
When I score my hinge lines I but an exacto blade backwards in the handle.
This leaves the square end that will scrape rather than cut and will be
about 1/32 wide allowing better flexing in the hinge.
Mike

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Subject: RE: [RCSE] Stiff Aileron


 You haven't removed enough of the epoxy from the cloth to make it function
 properly.  You'll need to use the knife again to remove more of the epoxy.
 It'll take some time, but it will work.

 You probably want to avoid cutting the aileron completely off and using a
 tape hinge, but you can cut the aileron so it's ALMOST off.  Make a series
 of 1 cuts leaving 1/2 between them.  This way the aileron is still
 attached via the skin, but not as much as it is in its current
 configuration.  Best of luck.  gv

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 From: Wes Gibson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 6:38 PM
 To: RCSE
 Subject: [RCSE] Stiff Aileron

 I'm almost finished with my Emerald, but have run into a snag. One of the
 ailerons is so stiff the servo cannot move it far enough to reach the
 recommended throw. I've talked with another Emerald pilot in my club and
 followed his advice, but the stiffness is still there. So far I have
flexed
 the aileron back and forth several hundred times. I also used a dull
x-acto
 blade to score a line on the inside of hinge. Does anyone have any other
 suggestions that might work?

 Wes Gibson
 AMA 607029
 LSF 7533

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[RCSE] big air day...foamie version of the Icon?

2004-04-19 Thread GordySoar


I got a report yesterday of a pilot who managed to get around 1,000' altitude using what must be the foamie version of the Icon

Using a bungee, he launched his WindRider Bat, hooked up in that big air in Michiagan and took it to around 1,000'.

Now if you guys are dying to have the latest and greatest edge to get incredible thermal performance but with out the worries of using an Icon for DS, the waiting period is NOT 18 months and the price has been raising with each order. It does use the latest molding technologies,and by the wayis far more durable than an Icon!

For $1,800 plus about, you can buy27 of them! Waiting period? About two weeks at the most.

Yep you too could be posting about the fun you had in the country's recent thermal energy boom for about $65 or so.

Lots of Icon owners have switched to it...for DS :-)

There was at least one on the DS slope in Frankfort, Ky yesterday.

Mine isn't orange, or green, it's red white and blue (same as my Pike) but here's the cool thing! You can make it any color you want! Yep no having to 'settle' for which ever color is available!

Okay so JW didn't design the foil or planform, and the tail moment is kind of short compared to an Icon (or Pike) and to tell the truth the Bat works best on the slope, but that thumb in Michigan showed that a piece of foam with a slab of lead 2"x 2"x 1/4" in the nose, covered with precisionly placed chunks of tape can thermal ...if there's lift...and that it doesn't take big bucks to have fun on a 'big air day' :-)

Wish I could have been thereTroy!...and Paul and Rudy and Bruce and Ken, and Hank and Gordy
Windy in Dallas today


[RCSE] FW: F3J - 9CAP (butterfly) - 90 degree flaps.

2004-04-19 Thread Luz, Marlon N
Wondering if someone could help or already had problems on trying to
get full flap servo travel on the 9cap for channel 5.
The plane is a brand new eraser xtreame dbox +tail, futaba 9cap,
futama PCM receiver and hitec 5125 digital servos. Mode is Glid2flp.
Here is the challenge, at least to me :). Before activating all
mixes, I assembled the right wing flap, connected to channel 3 to test
geometry and full deflection. Perfect 90 degrees ...looking ok, time for the
left flap..same thing, connect on channel 3 to test and 90 degree. 
Both flaps tested !!! Ok, easynow time to mount the plane and
start playing with the mixes. Right flap on channel 5, Left flap on channel
6, right aileron on ch1 and left on ch7.
Activating butterfly...here is the problem... can't find a way to
make the servos connected on channel 5 and 6 to have the same travel as when
they were connected on ch3. Seems like the 9cap limits the total travel on
channel 5 and 6.
Function end point only works at one end of the travel no effects
on the other. On butterfly, tried to set the flap to 100%, but at 60% the
servo is already at max travel...but mechanical, the servo still has a lot
of travel to go. 

Tks in advance for those who might take their time to help.

Best Rgds,
Marlon




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[RCSE] List Shut Down

2004-04-19 Thread Peter Andrew



Due to some unexpected maintenance work being done 
on one of our power supply lines the soaring list will be shut down for most of 
today Monday 19th April

Thanks

Peter AndrewSystems OfficeAirAge 
MediaRidgefield CT


Re: [RCSE] 2 meter / servo question

2004-04-19 Thread Bill Conkling
I don't think I would use anything less then the 81's for ailerons.   Prob
would go with metal gears, as I'm not that good a pilot.  I also like the
85MG for flaps on a 2-meter.

.bc([EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Williamsburg, VA 23185


On Fri, 16 Apr 2004, Douglas, Brent wrote:

 I'm taking a Spirit Elite (kit version) out of mothballs, and I'm rewiring /
 replacing servos in the wing.  I had a pair of HS-81s for the ailerons, but
 I was going to replace those with the little HS-55s.

 My question is this:  is that too little servo?  I don't plan on sloping
 with this, just flatland flying, from a winch.  If I only use flaps for my
 launch mode, will this be enough to keep the ailerons working (as opposed to
 stripping these servos on the launch)?

 I don't fly this ship much, and I had the 55s - just don't want to tempt
 fate too much by not giving it enough servo.  Opinions?

 Thanks,
 Brent
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Re: [RCSE] 2 meter / servo question

2004-04-19 Thread Y C Lui

Hi Brent,
I am using Futaba S3103( 3106 or 3107, they are all the same and very similar to Hitec HS55 ) on the ailerons of my 1.5m all-molded mini Corado sloper. Never had any problem in flight or launching with strong Hi-start but the aileron servos ALWAYS strip if the plane hits the ground hard enough on the nose. No ! the wing didn’t touch the ground in the process but both aileron servos would strip. I guess the servo gears are not strong enough to withstand the momentum of the ailerons during impact. As the ailerons of this plane also function as spoilers, the required aileron throw is larger than usual so the push rods have to be hooked to the outer holes of the servos arm. I believe that’s the cause of the problem. The same type of servos are used on the ailerons of my 1.5m Omega HLG and despite the fact that it’s tail boom has broken twice in nose-first landing, the aileron servos survived the impact. This is probably due to the more flexible wing structure of this plane and the
 fact that the aileron pushrods are hooked closer to the servo’s output shaft. 
Y C Lui"Douglas, Brent" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm taking a Spirit Elite (kit version) out of mothballs, and I'm rewiring /replacing servos in the wing. I had a pair of HS-81s for the ailerons, butI was going to replace those with the little HS-55s.My question is this: is that too little servo? I don't plan on slopingwith this, just flatland flying, from a winch. If I only use flaps for mylaunch mode, will this be enough to keep the ailerons working (as opposed tostripping these servos on the launch)?I don't fly this ship much, and I had the 55s - just don't want to temptfate too much by not giving it enough servo. Opinions?Thanks,BrentRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned
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RE: [RCSE] FW: F3J - 9CAP (butterfly) - 90 degree flaps.

2004-04-19 Thread Robert Samuels
I've, too, had some weird experiences with Futaba.  2 years ago I bought a 
9C and tried to set it up with a full house sailplane with V-tail.  It would 
not work and when I called Hobbico they advised that there was a bug in the 
program that would not allow it to work with a V-tail.  They traded me for a 
8U super that did work.  Recently I tried to add differential to my V-tail 
per instructions in Don Edberg's book.  In addition to some rather strange 
travel results it caused my rudder trim to reverse direction.  This was 
confirmed by Hobbico who had no remedy and said this particular bug was also 
in the 9C.  They claimed that simply using the V-tail setting caused the 
rudder trim to reverse but I did not find that.   As for flap travel, I get 
full travel but I can't remember if I had to use some trick such as the 
OFFSET function.  I suggest you get Edbergs book for the 8U.  Hobbico said 
the programming was the same in the 8U and the 9C that only the interface 
was different.

Robert Samuels,   St. Louis

From: Luz, Marlon N [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [RCSE] FW: F3J - 9CAP  (butterfly) - 90 degree flaps.
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 23:20:38 -0400
	Wondering if someone could help or already had problems on trying to
get full flap servo travel on the 9cap for channel 5.
	The plane is a brand new eraser xtreame dbox +tail, futaba 9cap,
futama PCM receiver and hitec 5125 digital servos. Mode is Glid2flp.
	Here is the challenge, at least to me :). Before activating all
mixes, I assembled the right wing flap, connected to channel 3 to test
geometry and full deflection. Perfect 90 degrees ...looking ok, time for 
the
left flap..same thing, connect on channel 3 to test and 90 degree.
	Both flaps tested !!! Ok, easynow time to mount the plane and
start playing with the mixes. Right flap on channel 5, Left flap on channel
6, right aileron on ch1 and left on ch7.
	Activating butterfly...here is the problem... can't find a way to
make the servos connected on channel 5 and 6 to have the same travel as 
when
they were connected on ch3. Seems like the 9cap limits the total travel on
channel 5 and 6.
	Function end point only works at one end of the travel no effects
on the other. On butterfly, tried to set the flap to 100%, but at 60% the
servo is already at max travel...but mechanical, the servo still has a lot
of travel to go.

 	Tks in advance for those who might take their time to help.

Best Rgds,
Marlon


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[RCSE] how to? -- spoilers for a BOT

2004-04-19 Thread Oscar Taboada
Hi...

some guys are organizing a thermal duration contest close to where I live
for May 8th (three weekends from now), I never had been on a contest and as
a fact I never had practiced seriously for such kind of landings, however,
it sounds interesting to go and particpate just for fun and for whatever I
can learn on such event.

these guys says the only rule is that we have to land 6 minutes after launch
on a specific point of the field, there are no rules about the kind of
sailplane we can use as far as I know, there will be no sophisticated
sailplanes with  composite wings.. what people most probably will use are
just cheap and old balsa ailplanes like windrifter, spirits 2m, saggita,
maybe some gentle lady, etc.

so...I guess the most suitable sailplane I have for the contest is a
Dynaflyte Bird of Time with wich I can do very aggresive zooms on the winch
and it can be an advantage because all the other pilots I know would never
dare to do a Zoom even if they have reinforced wings.

the problem is that I have no spoilers on the wing... so I will have to work
fast to solve it, so I can practice at least for the nex two weekends and
that is the reason of this mail... I would appreciate any advice to install
spoilers on my BOT.

what would be the best size and location?
should I use 2 microservos on the wing? (I want to make it easy and avoid
cables that goes out of the wing.

I wonder if somebody has some driagamas that could help me to build and
install the spoilers.

thanks in advance.


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RE: [RCSE] FW: F3J - 9CAP (butterfly) - 90 degree flaps.

2004-04-19 Thread jaffee
Hmmm.  The only v-tail bug I've ever heard about involved elevator
compensation on a v-tail when crow was used (one side of the v-tail would
more more then the other).  I know lots of people who use the 9C on a
v-tail full house glider with no problems.

At 09:17 AM 4/19/04 -0500, Robert Samuels wrote:
I've, too, had some weird experiences with Futaba.  2 years ago I bought a 
9C and tried to set it up with a full house sailplane with V-tail.  It would 
not work and when I called Hobbico they advised that there was a bug in the 
program that would not allow it to work with a V-tail.  They traded me for a 
8U super that did work.  Recently I tried to add differential to my V-tail 
per instructions in Don Edberg's book.  In addition to some rather strange 
travel results it caused my rudder trim to reverse direction.  This was 
confirmed by Hobbico who had no remedy and said this particular bug was also 
in the 9C.  They claimed that simply using the V-tail setting caused the 
rudder trim to reverse but I did not find that.   As for flap travel, I get 
full travel but I can't remember if I had to use some trick such as the 
OFFSET function.  I suggest you get Edbergs book for the 8U.  Hobbico said 
the programming was the same in the 8U and the 9C that only the interface 
was different.

Robert Samuels,   St. Louis

From: Luz, Marlon N [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [RCSE] FW: F3J - 9CAP  (butterfly) - 90 degree flaps.
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 23:20:38 -0400

  Wondering if someone could help or already had problems on trying to
get full flap servo travel on the 9cap for channel 5.
  The plane is a brand new eraser xtreame dbox +tail, futaba 9cap,
futama PCM receiver and hitec 5125 digital servos. Mode is Glid2flp.
  Here is the challenge, at least to me :). Before activating all
mixes, I assembled the right wing flap, connected to channel 3 to test
geometry and full deflection. Perfect 90 degrees ...looking ok, time for 
the
left flap..same thing, connect on channel 3 to test and 90 degree.
  Both flaps tested !!! Ok, easynow time to mount the plane and
start playing with the mixes. Right flap on channel 5, Left flap on channel
6, right aileron on ch1 and left on ch7.
  Activating butterfly...here is the problem... can't find a way to
make the servos connected on channel 5 and 6 to have the same travel as 
when
they were connected on ch3. Seems like the 9cap limits the total travel on
channel 5 and 6.
  Function end point only works at one end of the travel no effects
on the other. On butterfly, tried to set the flap to 100%, but at 60% the
servo is already at max travel...but mechanical, the servo still has a lot
of travel to go.

  Tks in advance for those who might take their time to help.

  Best Rgds,
  Marlon




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Re: [RCSE] how to? -- spoilers for a BOT

2004-04-19 Thread Bill Swingle
Andrew Mileski, you're the BOT dude. Yet, I can only find minimal spoiler
info on your web site. Got anything more detail oriented for Oscar?

Bill Swingle
Janesville, CA



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RE: [RCSE] FW: F3J - 9CAP (butterfly) - 90 degree flaps.

2004-04-19 Thread Robert Samuels
As I understand it, the current 9C does allow V-tail in a full house 
sailplane.  It was the first run of the  9Cs that had the V-tail/sailplane 
bug.  The current ones still have the rudder trim reversal bug.

Robert Samuels,   St. Louis

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[RCSE] why don't I get my own messages?

2004-04-19 Thread Robert Samuels
Whenever I post to this board I do not receive my posting.  Anyone have the 
answer why?

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[RCSE] Woody Wing Walker

2004-04-19 Thread James V. Bacus
If you know Bruce Davidson, then this picture will make complete sense to you!

http://louisvillesoaring.org/modules.php?set_albumName=20040418frankfortid=20040418_frankfort_08_woodywingwalkerop=modloadname=galleryfile=indexinclude=view_photo.php



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Downers Grove, IL
Member of the Chicago SOAR club,  AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV
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Re: [RCSE] Woody Wing Walker

2004-04-19 Thread James V. Bacus
I was really talking about the wing walker, but as you know, UFO's are 
frequently captured in pictures of Bruce at distance, and this one is no 
exception...  look over his head to the right a bit.

8-)

At 05:25 PM 4/19/2004, James V. Bacus wrote:
If you know Bruce Davidson, then this picture will make complete sense to you!

http://louisvillesoaring.org/modules.php?set_albumName=20040418frankfortid=20040418_frankfort_08_woodywingwalkerop=modloadname=galleryfile=indexinclude=view_photo.php



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Re: [RCSE] Woody Wing Walker

2004-04-19 Thread Steve Meyer
You saying Bruce may be an Alien?  Maybe that explains his extraordinary 
skills.
Must be from a water planet, that would explain his affinity for fish.

Steve

At 05:28 PM 4/19/2004, James V. Bacus wrote:
I was really talking about the wing walker, but as you know, UFO's are 
frequently captured in pictures of Bruce at distance, and this one is no 
exception...  look over his head to the right a bit.

8-)

At 05:25 PM 4/19/2004, James V. Bacus wrote:
If you know Bruce Davidson, then this picture will make complete sense to 
you!

http://louisvillesoaring.org/modules.php?set_albumName=20040418frankfortid=20040418_frankfort_08_woodywingwalkerop=modloadname=galleryfile=indexinclude=view_photo.php



Jim
Downers Grove, IL
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RE: [RCSE] how to? -- spoilers for a BOT

2004-04-19 Thread Brian Buchanan
Oscar,

I would think the best solution to your problem will be to cut flaps into
the trailing edge of the inner wing panels.  Just cut them out, face them
with balsa, face the new trailing edge of the wing with balsa, add 2 metal
geared servos such as HS85MG, recover everything add a tape hinge and you're
done.  This solution will work best if you have a computer radio and can mix
in some down elevator to the flaps.

Good luck with it and good luck in your first contest.

Brian Buchanan
Ottawa, Canada

 -Original Message-
 From: Oscar Taboada [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 6:26 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [RCSE] how to? -- spoilers for a BOT


 Hi...

 some guys are organizing a thermal duration contest close to where I live
 for May 8th (three weekends from now), I never had been on a
 contest and as
 a fact I never had practiced seriously for such kind of landings, however,
 it sounds interesting to go and particpate just for fun and for whatever I
 can learn on such event.

 these guys says the only rule is that we have to land 6 minutes
 after launch
 on a specific point of the field, there are no rules about the kind of
 sailplane we can use as far as I know, there will be no sophisticated
 sailplanes with  composite wings.. what people most probably will use are
 just cheap and old balsa ailplanes like windrifter, spirits 2m, saggita,
 maybe some gentle lady, etc.

 so...I guess the most suitable sailplane I have for the contest is a
 Dynaflyte Bird of Time with wich I can do very aggresive zooms on
 the winch
 and it can be an advantage because all the other pilots I know would never
 dare to do a Zoom even if they have reinforced wings.

 the problem is that I have no spoilers on the wing... so I will
 have to work
 fast to solve it, so I can practice at least for the nex two weekends and
 that is the reason of this mail... I would appreciate any advice
 to install
 spoilers on my BOT.

 what would be the best size and location?
 should I use 2 microservos on the wing? (I want to make it easy and avoid
 cables that goes out of the wing.

 I wonder if somebody has some driagamas that could help me to build and
 install the spoilers.

 thanks in advance.


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