[RCSE] FW: Mark Your Calendar

2005-05-09 Thread mark browning

Look out cause here I come!!!


MARK YOUR CALENDARS


 Slap Your Co-Worker Day is Coming!!
Tomorrow is the official Slap Your Irritating Co-workers Holiday:  Do
you have a co-worker who talks nonstop about nothing, working your last
nerve with tedious and boring details that you don't give a damn about?
Do you have a co-worker who ALWAYS screws up stuff creating MORE work
for you? Do you have a co-worker who kisses so much booty, you can look
in their mouth and see what your boss had for lunch? Do you have a
co-worker who is SOOO obnoxious, when he/she enters a room, everyone
else clears it? Well, on behalf of Ike Turner, I am so very very glad to
officially announce tomorrow as SLAP YOUR IRRITATING CO-WORKER DAY!
There are the rules you must follow:
* You can only slap one person per hour - no more.
* You can slap the same person again if they irritate you again in the
same day.
* You are allowed to hold someone down as other co-workers take their
turns slapping the irritant.
* No weapons are allowed...other than going upside somebody's head with
a stapler or a hole-puncher.
* CURSING IS MANDATORY! After you have slapped the recipient, your
"assault" must be followed with something like "cause I'm sick of your
stupid-a$$ always messing up stuff!"
* If questioned by a supervisor [or police, if the supervisor is the
irritant], you are allowed to LIE, LIE, LIE! Now, study the rules, break
out your list of folks that you want to slap the living day lights out
of and get to slapping.and have a great day





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Re: [RCSE] Receivers Tested

2005-05-09 Thread Simon Van Leeuwen
Well, that's the rub, isn't it.
We can measure the losses associated with (I'll assume you are referring 
to) base loaded whips, in the lab it equates to ~15%. The manner in 
which I did this was to mount the RX (and antenna element) within a 
chamber and rotate it every 5-10 degrees and take a measurement, in all 
3 XYZ planes. The end result is a 3D plot which will allow aggregate 
gains and losses to be directly compared with other designs.

As to extraneous interference and how it may adversely impinge on our 
communications requires other techniques, like onboard pulse emission 
detectors. Although diagnostic in nature, the evidence is definitely 
empirical. Years ago I offered ready-built versions, but precious few 
saw the advantages, so I gave up.

I can't tell you (nor can anyone else) how various forms of extraneous 
interference will impinge on our communications systems in advance. 
Those of us who work within the confines of RF design and application 
can make educated predictions that can be very accurate...based on 
experience.


Bill Swingle wrote:
When I tested a number of RX's some 10 years ago all were acceptable,
in fact within a few dB of each other.

OK, most models today are fine. I'm not surprised. But, I'd like to know
what the Rx will do when the pilot gets stupid with the installation.
Meaning: What happens if I cut the stock antenna and use
 a bad "shorty" antenna?
 What happens if I have to fold a portion of the Rx
 antenna (small portion) and then fly DIRECTLY infront of a
 commercial antenna broadcasting who knows what frequency(ies)
 at thousands of watts?
These are the questions I'd be interested in hearing answered. Not that I've
ever done either of these, I'm just curious. ;-)
Bill Swingle
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Re: [RCSE] OVSS 2005

2005-05-09 Thread Steve Meyer
I'll be attending two different weddings on Saturday May 21st.  Oh well at 
least I get a night of free food and liquor. :-)

However I will be starting the contest season off this weekend with some 
westward friends in Iowa.
Be there in time for Saturday evening dinner at MacBride's..  :-)

Could it be Gordy-free land...
Steve

At 10:14 PM 5/9/2005, Martin Doney wrote:
I will be at Cincinnati and a few others.
Are going to be there
Martin Doney
Baldwin, MI(the middle of nowhere)
LSF 7429
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Re: [RCSE] OVSS 2005

2005-05-09 Thread James V. Bacus
That's my plan, at this point it looks like I have successfully flexed a 
business trip to Boston so I can be back home Thursday night.

At 10:14 PM 5/9/2005, Martin Doney wrote:
I will be at Cincinnati and a few others.
Are going to be there
Martin Doney
Baldwin, MI(the middle of nowhere)
LSF 7429
Jim
Downers Grove, IL
Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR
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Re: [RCSE] OVSS 2005

2005-05-09 Thread Martin Doney
I will be at Cincinnati and a few others.

Are going to be there


Martin Doney
Baldwin, MI(the middle of nowhere)
LSF 7429
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Re: [RCSE] OVSS 2005

2005-05-09 Thread Jim Carlton
On Monday 09 May 2005 11:07 pm, you wrote:
> Is anyone going to fly in the OVSS this season?
>
> Or are you gonna let some old dude flying a 6 year old design that doesn't
> practice enough take that Eagle home at the end of this season?  8-)
>
> Another question, will that Eagle from Ohio ever make it back to it's home
> state?  8-))
>
>
> Jim
Jim...explain?!  I threaten every year to get back into this thing and with a 
new Genie LT/S to fly, I hope to get into a few of the OVSS events this 
year..now who's the "old dude" and what's he flying? 
It's about time that Eagle comes home to roost!

:)

Jim C
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[RCSE] OVSS 2005

2005-05-09 Thread James V. Bacus
Is anyone going to fly in the OVSS this season?
Or are you gonna let some old dude flying a 6 year old design that doesn't 
practice enough take that Eagle home at the end of this season?  8-)

Another question, will that Eagle from Ohio ever make it back to it's home 
state?  8-))

Jim
Downers Grove, IL
Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR
AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV   R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net
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[RCSE] Spring Fling

2005-05-09 Thread Dudley Dufort




The Second Leg of the Triad, Spring Fling 2005, is
only 7 weeks away.  400 invitations will be snail mailed by weeks
end.   If you want to beat the pack and get you first choice frequency,
the official entry form is on the SVSS website.  Edgar Vera, here's
your heads up.

A special thanks to Erich Van Sanford of CASL for his work in
resuscitating the Triad. 

Dudley
SVSS Spring Fling Coordinator




Re: [RCSE] What is a JR "REVERSE" Servo?

2005-05-09 Thread miamimike
"Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

>On the JR/Horizon Web site many of the servos are listed as REVERSE servos,
>e.g. DS3301 Digital Wing Servo [JRPSDS3301] and Reverse DS3301 Servo
>[JRPSDS3301R].  What are reverse servos?  How do they differ from "standard"
>servos?

If you install a regular servo for one of your flaps and a reverse servo for
the other flap, and you install them in a symmetrical fashion with both
shafts pointing either outward or inward, then you can connect them with a
y-harness and control both flaps through a single receiver channel. They'll
go up and down together.

If you try this with two regular servos, they'll behave like ailerons and
move in opposite directions.

Mike
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Re: [RCSE] Misty Meadows Soaring Classic, Solon, IA

2005-05-09 Thread Steve Meyer
Try.  http://www.silentflight.org/LSF_Base/Misty_Meadows_2005.pdf
The farther you get away from Iowa City the more luck finding a room... 
College Graduation weekend.

At 06:27 PM 5/9/2005, Mark Miller wrote:
Does anyone have any information on this contest that
they could send me? The EISS website calendar is way
out of date.
Mark
--- Steve Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Any Eastern Iowa Soaring Society listening...
>
> What's the deal in Iowa City this coming weekend.
> Having a difficult time
> finding available rooms.
> Graduation? or the contest that popular. :-)
>
> Steve Meyer
> SOAR
> LSF IV
>
>
>
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Re: [RCSE] Misty Meadows Soaring Classic, Solon, IA

2005-05-09 Thread Mark Miller
Does anyone have any information on this contest that
they could send me? The EISS website calendar is way
out of date.

Mark

--- Steve Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Any Eastern Iowa Soaring Society listening...
> 
> What's the deal in Iowa City this coming weekend. 
> Having a difficult time 
> finding available rooms.
> Graduation? or the contest that popular. :-)
> 
> Steve Meyer
> SOAR
> LSF IV
> 
> 
> 

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[RCSE] Johnny Berlin

2005-05-09 Thread mpodder
Anyone have a phone for Johnny Berlin.  I want to order some servos.
Maurice
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[RCSE] What is a JR "REVERSE" Servo?

2005-05-09 Thread Cameron
On the JR/Horizon Web site many of the servos are listed as REVERSE servos,
e.g. DS3301 Digital Wing Servo [JRPSDS3301] and Reverse DS3301 Servo
[JRPSDS3301R].  What are reverse servos?  How do they differ from "standard"
servos?

Thank you,

Cameron Ninham




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Re: [RCSE] Receivers Tested

2005-05-09 Thread Bill Swingle
>>When I tested a number of RX's some 10 years ago all were acceptable,
>>in fact within a few dB of each other.


OK, most models today are fine. I'm not surprised. But, I'd like to know
what the Rx will do when the pilot gets stupid with the installation.

Meaning: What happens if I cut the stock antenna and use
 a bad "shorty" antenna?

 What happens if I have to fold a portion of the Rx
 antenna (small portion) and then fly DIRECTLY infront of a
 commercial antenna broadcasting who knows what frequency(ies)
 at thousands of watts?

These are the questions I'd be interested in hearing answered. Not that I've
ever done either of these, I'm just curious. ;-)

Bill Swingle


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Re: [RCSE] Help - JR 347 Instruction manual *********

2005-05-09 Thread Mark Wales
I found this page on a search for Sherman Knight.
http://www.reddata.com/sass/soaring_info/tech.htm
Mark
Soaring Is Life!!


From: Dan Kitching <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: soaring@airage.com
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Help - JR 347 Instruction manual  *
Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 14:55:13 -0400
Khan,
I don't know anything about your tranny, but I did find a manual
www.dankitching.com/jrx347.pdf
I'll leave it up for a couple of days, be sure to save it to your local 
PC/MAC.

Dan

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello:
 I lost my manual for my JR 347.  Is there online manual available or 
maybe a  website with instructions?
 Basically, my gliders have 4 servos in the wing and two in the fuse.  
need to program in 3 different flight modes, plus elevator to flap camber, 
crow, etc.
 thank you in advance, davenport race is fast approaching and i need to 
dust off the racers
 I Khan


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Re: [RCSE] Receivers Tested

2005-05-09 Thread lomcovak
Oops, someone pointed out an ambiguity, the last line should have read "...it 
has the potential as a noise generating device that can be controlled". 
 

Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> We have the facilities. There are a number of ways of generating comparison 
> data:
> 
> - Controlled signal O/P, over-the-air especially valid if performed within
> the 
> confines of an anechoic chamber.
> - Direct measurement (COAX soldered directly to the board) using a modulated
> 
> signal whose power can be accurately attenuated 
> 
> When I tested a number of RX's some 10 years ago all were acceptable, in fact
> 
> within a few dB of each other. 
> 
> As to the validity of performing back to back comparisons I'm not sure there
> is 
> any value in it, especially from a consumer standpoint. The measurements are
> 
> irrelevant given that every end-user installation is different, and has 
> significantly more bearing on system (signal) integrity than the actual RX 
> sensitivity.
> 
> The waters a muddied now, especially with onboard smarts which are becoming 
> more effective at discerning the intended signal in order to maintain 
> communication integrity.
> 
> With this last statement, the actual measurement (in dBm) where a particular
> RX 
> will no longer respond to a valid signal will be similar amongst the current
> 
> crop of RX's be it smart or not-so-smart (no onboard uprocessors). 
> 
> Just how effective a RX with onboard smarts can differentiate the correct 
> signal under less than ideal circumstances (some sort of controlled
> extraneous 
> EMI/RFI) would probably be of more value. 
> 
> This is where differing opinions start to play a part. As to what sort of
> test 
> parameters would emulate the above premise, and be an acceptable means of 
> gathering data would be valid discussion to start with.
> 
> We had to design a RX which would allow wireless data acquisition to check
> the 
> mechanical integrity of super large combustion engines on gas trasmission 
> lines. Lot's of EMI/RFI from multiple spark ignition systems. As a spark in 
> itself generates EMI/RFI from DC well up into the GHz, it has the potential
> as 
> a noise generating device that cantbe controlled. 
>  
> 
> Quoting Bill Swingle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > >>Has anyone ever sat at their workbench and measured...
> > >>Who has the tools?
> > 
> > Good question. Tom Hoopes has done this. His data looked pretty good. But
> > it's been a while since I've seen him publish any more info.
> > 
> > I mentioned at the time that I'd like to see a "Hoopes Approved" sticker
> but
> > that didn't go anywhere.
> > 
> > Very few have the tools and smarts to perform the hard numbers testing AND
> > know how to apply it. There's just no money in doing it. Tom seemed to do
> > well. George Steiner could. Heck, maybe Simon and a few others. But, it's
> > not something to be taken lightly.
> > 
> > What you're asking for a "Consumer Reports" style of evaluation. I've seen
> > nothing like that since the "Hoopes" evaluation of several years ago.
> > 
> > This is why I don't buy the latest and greatest RX's. I wait for some
> field
> > confirmations. It isn't great but it's the best we have available.
> > 
> > Bill Swingle
> > 
> > 
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[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5627 What is going on at Misty Meadows, Iowa

2005-05-09 Thread BOBCANMAN



Nothing is available in Coralville Friday night due to graduation 
parties.  Some openings were available for Saturday.  Paul Haley and I 
are booked into the Marriott Fairfield Inn in Cedar Rapids.  Call 
1-319-364-2000.
 
Bob Harold


[RCSE] Re: 9C Setups/ 9C Super

2005-05-09 Thread Dan Ahearn

I toiled with all of this for about a year then I ordered a Stylus.

Done and done


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[RCSE] FS -Aveox 36-15-4/w 3.7 to 1 gear box and controller.

2005-05-09 Thread aero1
For Sale:
1- NIB Aveox 36-15-4 with a 3.7 to 1 gear box and controller.
This was originally over $450.00
The motor has never been used, the controller has 2 flights, no crashes.
I want $260.00 shipping included in the US.
Mark Mech
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[RCSE] IHLGF 2005 - Last Chance to Enter

2005-05-09 Thread Ron Scharck
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

Your overwhelming response to the IHLGF 2005 and the FREE DSL
Clinic has resulted in a sold out, 90 pilot registration. Even though the 90
pilot limit (15 pilots per heat with 6 heats in a round) has been reached,
we know from doing this many years that some of those paid registrations may
not be able to make the event. So the IHLGF 2005 Committee has decided to
accept 5 more registrations. If you have been holding off, this will be your
last chance to enter. The next five paid registrations will be accepted,
provided your frequency is still available.

For information on the IHLGF 2005, the DSL Clinic, and an entry
form for the IHLGF 2005, go to
http://www.torreypinesgulls.org/IHLGF2005.htm. Please fill out the entry
form (be sure to include at least 2 frequency choices) and then fax it to me
at 760-634-0620. By doing so, I will be able to include you in the frequency
allotment. Also, be sure and indicate on the form if you want to attend the
FREE DSL (Discus Style Launch) Clinic. I will still need you to mail me the
original entry form along with a check for the appropriate amount to the
address on the entry form.

NOTE: The following frequencies (channels) are closed: 19, 25, 30, 31, 33,
34, 40, 42, 50, 51, 52, and 54.

The following frequencies (channels) have no one on them: HAM 3, 4, 5, 9;
FM: 36, 57.

Once again, thank you for your continued support of the IHLGF.

 

Ron Scharck, Registrar

 

 


Re: [RCSE] Receivers Tested

2005-05-09 Thread lomcovak
We have the facilities. There are a number of ways of generating comparison 
data:

- Controlled signal O/P, over-the-air especially valid if performed within the 
confines of an anechoic chamber.
- Direct measurement (COAX soldered directly to the board) using a modulated 
signal whose power can be accurately attenuated 

When I tested a number of RX's some 10 years ago all were acceptable, in fact 
within a few dB of each other. 

As to the validity of performing back to back comparisons I'm not sure there is 
any value in it, especially from a consumer standpoint. The measurements are 
irrelevant given that every end-user installation is different, and has 
significantly more bearing on system (signal) integrity than the actual RX 
sensitivity.

The waters a muddied now, especially with onboard smarts which are becoming 
more effective at discerning the intended signal in order to maintain 
communication integrity.

With this last statement, the actual measurement (in dBm) where a particular RX 
will no longer respond to a valid signal will be similar amongst the current 
crop of RX's be it smart or not-so-smart (no onboard uprocessors). 

Just how effective a RX with onboard smarts can differentiate the correct 
signal under less than ideal circumstances (some sort of controlled extraneous 
EMI/RFI) would probably be of more value. 

This is where differing opinions start to play a part. As to what sort of test 
parameters would emulate the above premise, and be an acceptable means of 
gathering data would be valid discussion to start with.

We had to design a RX which would allow wireless data acquisition to check the 
mechanical integrity of super large combustion engines on gas trasmission 
lines. Lot's of EMI/RFI from multiple spark ignition systems. As a spark in 
itself generates EMI/RFI from DC well up into the GHz, it has the potential as 
a noise generating device that cantbe controlled. 
 

Quoting Bill Swingle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> >>Has anyone ever sat at their workbench and measured...
> >>Who has the tools?
> 
> Good question. Tom Hoopes has done this. His data looked pretty good. But
> it's been a while since I've seen him publish any more info.
> 
> I mentioned at the time that I'd like to see a "Hoopes Approved" sticker but
> that didn't go anywhere.
> 
> Very few have the tools and smarts to perform the hard numbers testing AND
> know how to apply it. There's just no money in doing it. Tom seemed to do
> well. George Steiner could. Heck, maybe Simon and a few others. But, it's
> not something to be taken lightly.
> 
> What you're asking for a "Consumer Reports" style of evaluation. I've seen
> nothing like that since the "Hoopes" evaluation of several years ago.
> 
> This is why I don't buy the latest and greatest RX's. I wait for some field
> confirmations. It isn't great but it's the best we have available.
> 
> Bill Swingle
> 
> 
> 
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[RCSE] Receivers Tested, yep..all of them.

2005-05-09 Thread GordySoar



For those of you who actually read the magazines, or know something of our 
radio history, you'll recognize the name George Steiner.
George tests all RX's that we get to buy, officially or for his own 
interest. Since he was part of the team who wrote the AMA specs that suppliers 
must meet for AMA certification, he kind of knows them.
 
He has been an rc pilot since before I was born, so he knows what is needed 
in a RX to work and knows what is desired.  He knows the difference between 
a nice gimmick and a beneficial feature.  He tests on the bench with 
gadgets and he field tests too, but at this point he knows from the bench 
readings if its gonna work passing by close to all 50 Tx channels on and along 
the flight line.
 
Currently the problems aren't inside rx's, they are 'around' the 
rx's.  No matter what bumps and humps are glued or soldered to the rx's 
boards, if the signal can't get to them, they can't do their job.  The 
Carbon/Kevlar burlap weave fuses that are nearly unbreakable are just as tough 
about sheilding the rx antenna from its Tx's signals.
 
Today all the majors are making sufficient rx's, as are the innovators like 
Shadow or Berg.
All are susceptible to component gremlins or manufacturing snaffoos but in 
general all get the signal and use it just as well as the next.  If there 
is a problem with some of the new rx designs, its that they are too tinyfor 
old eyes, clunky, bulky servo plugs and stiff fingers, when located in tight 
fuses :-)
Gordy
Milwaukee Wisconsin today


[RCSE] Thinning the fleet update#1

2005-05-09 Thread George Voss
The 3 Hitec supreme rx's are sold pending funds.
The 4 micro servos are sold pending funds.  

George.

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Re: [RCSE] Help - JR 347 Instruction manual *********

2005-05-09 Thread Dan Kitching
Khan,
I don't know anything about your tranny, but I did find a manual
www.dankitching.com/jrx347.pdf
I'll leave it up for a couple of days, be sure to save it to your local 
PC/MAC.

Dan

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Hello:
 
I lost my manual for my JR 347.  Is there online manual available or 
maybe a  website with instructions?
 
Basically, my gliders have 4 servos in the wing and two in the fuse.  
need to program in 3 different flight modes, plus elevator to flap 
camber, crow, etc.
 
thank you in advance, davenport race is fast approaching and i need to 
dust off the racers
 
I Khan
 
 

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RE: [RCSE] Blind Nut Stripped

2005-05-09 Thread Lydon, Matthew (NBC Universal)
Title: RE: [RCSE] Blind Nut Stripped





I've had similar issues with blind nuts either stripping or not being set at the proper angle. Last case was my Sharon, where the front nut was only 1/2 visible through the wing hole when the center and rear were in.

I used a big soldering iron to melt the blind nut right out of the epoxy holding it in. Then, in my case, I enlarged the hole in the right direction and glued it back in.

You might try the same to pop out the bad one and replace it.


Matt


-Original Message-
From: Mark Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 12:53 PM
To: RCSE
Subject: [RCSE] Blind Nut Stripped


Help, the forward blind nut on my Eraser is stripped.  Don't know how that 
happened, I have been very careful when tightening the screws on the wing. 
My Shop Theory book tells me that an 8-36 SAE machine screw has a major 
diameter .010" larger than the diameter of the Metric screws that came with 
my Eraser.  Has anybody had a similar problem and found an easy solution?  I 
am thinking of tapping the blind nut to accept an 8-36 cap screw since the 
4.0 metric cap screw does not engage correctly.


Mark 




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Re: [RCSE] Receivers Tested

2005-05-09 Thread Bill Swingle
>>Has anyone ever sat at their workbench and measured...
>>Who has the tools?

Good question. Tom Hoopes has done this. His data looked pretty good. But
it's been a while since I've seen him publish any more info.

I mentioned at the time that I'd like to see a "Hoopes Approved" sticker but
that didn't go anywhere.

Very few have the tools and smarts to perform the hard numbers testing AND
know how to apply it. There's just no money in doing it. Tom seemed to do
well. George Steiner could. Heck, maybe Simon and a few others. But, it's
not something to be taken lightly.

What you're asking for a "Consumer Reports" style of evaluation. I've seen
nothing like that since the "Hoopes" evaluation of several years ago.

This is why I don't buy the latest and greatest RX's. I wait for some field
confirmations. It isn't great but it's the best we have available.

Bill Swingle



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[RCSE] Receivers Tested

2005-05-09 Thread Paul Emerson
Is there a way to test the quality of a receiver using some kind of
electronic measuring device - and has it been done?

I am looking for what's "best" and want to know if the data is available.

The reason being is all receiver data I have found is wholly
subjective - "X brand is better, I never had a problem" or "X brand
receiver has the best range I have ever seen".

Sometimes these praises come from manufacturers or distributors and
which can further complicate the truth.

Field range tests are dependant on so many variables that the "what
works for you" theory is not very helpful to anyone else.

Has anyone ever sat at their workbench and measured in a controlled,
quantifiable way? Who's got the tools to do so?

Thanks, Paul
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Re: [RCSE] Misty Meadows Soaring Classic, Solon, IA

2005-05-09 Thread ljolly

Steve,
 Saturday is Prom Night. Best Regards Larry  -Original Message-From: Steve Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Soaring@airage.comSent: Mon, 09 May 2005 11:14:59 -0500Subject: [RCSE] Misty Meadows Soaring Classic, Solon, IA


Any Eastern Iowa Soaring Society listening...What's the deal in Iowa City this coming weekend.  Having a difficult time finding available rooms.Graduation? or the contest that popular. :-)Steve MeyerSOARLSF IV


[RCSE] Misty Meadows Soaring Classic, Solon, IA

2005-05-09 Thread Steve Meyer


Any Eastern Iowa Soaring Society listening...
What's the deal in Iowa City this coming weekend.  Having a
difficult time finding available rooms.
Graduation? or the contest that popular. :-)
Steve Meyer
SOAR
LSF IV





Re: [RCSE] Fwd: Fw: [SVSS] CVRC in Trouble?

2005-05-09 Thread Mike Smith
Guys, and gals,
I sent the note about Visalia for your information.  Please don't flame the 
reporter that is mentioned in the letter, or anyone else for that matter 
yet.  Apparently, there is one person that is the cause for CVRC's use of 
the land as an RC glider venue being considered inconsistent with 
agricultural use.  The owner and CVRC are working on it, and I think that 
chances are pretty good that compelling arguments can be made so that state 
officials understand that not only is RC use consistent with the Ag. zone 
for that property, but that CVRC's presence is very beneficial to that 
portion of the property working correctly as part of the overall AG. system 
around the flying field.

So, hang tight.  I am sure someone will let us know when the power of many 
voices is needed.

Get out there and fly.  Summer is coming.
Mike

At 08:12 AM 5/9/2005, Matt Lydon wrote:
Sounds like the easiest thing would be to fight the 'entertainment' 
charge. - Soaring contests are serious business, after all.

Matt
Charles Eaton wrote:
Government.  They should be part time and every time they make a new law ten
must be eliminated.
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Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 5:36 PM
Subject: [RCSE] Fwd: Fw: [SVSS] CVRC in Trouble?


What will this mean for our upcoming Fall Festival?
Why can't some people just leave us glider guys alone!
Let's all rally together and see if we all can't do
something to help the club keep their field and keep us all
Flying!!!
Edgar
"The Soaring Junkie"
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Re: [RCSE] Fwd: Fw: [SVSS] CVRC in Trouble?

2005-05-09 Thread Matt Lydon
Sounds like the easiest thing would be to fight the 'entertainment' 
charge. - Soaring contests are serious business, after all.

Matt
Charles Eaton wrote:
Government.  They should be part time and every time they make a new law ten
must be eliminated.
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To: "exchange" 
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 5:36 PM
Subject: [RCSE] Fwd: Fw: [SVSS] CVRC in Trouble?
 

What will this mean for our upcoming Fall Festival?
Why can't some people just leave us glider guys alone!
Let's all rally together and see if we all can't do
something to help the club keep their field and keep us all
Flying!!!
Edgar
"The Soaring Junkie"
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