Re: [RCSE] Supras done
Thats awesome Tom. I doubtI could see my plane at over a mile away, at leat not well enough to control it. But then again Iam abouthalf blind. Sounds like the Supra is one great bird! Walter - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supras done Agreed. I have about 4 hours on mine. One of the best launching models I have ever owned. Jim Monaco estimates that my launch is 80-90 degrees. On one ride I took it out from less than 50 ft( 5 degree joiners)to cloud base at 1+mi. out. With a 7-10 mile breeze I easily cruised back in the same air(2 degrees reflex)that a Tsunami had difficulty punching through. Build quality is high. On a lab analytical scale the outer panels with joiners were within 0.1 gm of each other! Larry, am I over psyched about this model or is it one of the best we have ever seen? By the way it lands in a linear manner with no negative traits and the effective rudder gives me excellent directional control on final. Tom Gressman
Re: [RCSE] Supras done
Tom, I agree with your comments on the Supras flying qualities. While no airplane is a Silver Bullet, this one is better than anything I have flown before. It reads air unbelievably well, has long legs, good float, and launches, and lands well. TheSupra accelerateseffortlessly from float to cruise. I really like this because my main interest is F3J and thisacceleration will translate to quicker launches. For the top flyers like Kiesling and Perkins they probably won't see much more out of this model than what they get from what they are flying right now. But the rest of us are going to have an easier go with this airplane. I think it will have wide appeal and with good reason it is really a fine model. By the way did you talk Skip in toflying it yet? I told him to order two, the dayI test flew mine. Good luck with it, and let's not land out after this discussion :-) Larry
[RCSE] For Sale: Tragi 705x
- White/Orange - all carbon - full ballast set - custom, removable nose skeg - Stylus program available - details @ www.F3X.com - picture @ www.jimbacus.net - scroll to ovss #1 - $ 975.00 plane only, includes all linkages and servo arms for 368's - Buyer pays first $ 50 of shipping, I'll cover the rest ( con US ) - more pictures available upon request Thanks Ron Mong Columbus, OH [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Supras done
At 09:42 AM 1/5/2006, you wrote: He who launches highest... wins... D Not necessarily. As you get older, you will find that he who launches highest frequently loses sight of his model. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supras done
I agree with you completely Chuck. If my plane gets too far past the end of my nose, it simply goes away! Walter - Original Message - From: Chuck Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 6:45 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Supras done At 09:42 AM 1/5/2006, you wrote: He who launches highest... wins... D Not necessarily. As you get older, you will find that he who launches highest frequently loses sight of his model. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supras done
Ihave heard the only thing better than the molded Supra is a lighter bagged one. Yes or no? Walter - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:13 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supras done Tom, I agree with your comments on the Supras flying qualities. While no airplane is a Silver Bullet, this one is better than anything I have flown before. It reads air unbelievably well, has long legs, good float, and launches, and lands well. TheSupra accelerateseffortlessly from float to cruise. I really like this because my main interest is F3J and thisacceleration will translate to quicker launches. For the top flyers like Kiesling and Perkins they probably won't see much more out of this model than what they get from what they are flying right now. But the rest of us are going to have an easier go with this airplane. I think it will have wide appeal and with good reason it is really a fine model. By the way did you talk Skip in toflying it yet? I told him to order two, the dayI test flew mine. Good luck with it, and let's not land out after this discussion :-) Larry
Re: [RCSE] Supras done
I am still 20/15 but the reflexes are starting to go at 59. I have owned and flown most of the F3J birds and just when I think they couldn't get any better the Supra emerges. In the hands of a world class flyer it should do very well at the 2006 Worlds! Tom
RE: [RCSE] Supras done/Icons For Sale
OK, I waited 2+ years to get my new Icons. Now you guys are telling me they arent the berries, I want to scream! I will trade Icons for Supras. Thats one Icon for 2 Supras. ;-) Im sort of kidding, but I would trade one of my Icons. Roll eyes. I hope my health will hold out so I can go to a few contests and events this year. Im looking forward to Soar Utah more or less for sure, plus the TNT and maybe a few more with a new traveling partnerif we can get together on where to go. Itll be a fun year wont it? George Voss 1403 Lincolnshire Rd OKC OK 73159 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 10:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supras done I am still 20/15 but the reflexes are starting to go at 59. I have owned and flown most of the F3J birds and just when I think they couldn't get any better the Supra emerges. In the hands of a world class flyer it should do very well at the 2006 Worlds! Tom
Re: [RCSE] Supras done
Walter, I flew Tom Kieslings Bagged F3J version over at Istanbul. WhileI think one flight is to limited to draw conclusions, I can comment that both models have similar characteristics. One thing that is obvious to me is thatI cannot build a wing as accurate as the ones that come from Barry. I have had a lot of experience flying bagged Xp4's and Blasters, and I can tell you that there is a great difference between a bagged Drela section and a molded one. My Supra at 64 ounces does not leave me wishing it were 55 ounces. If you like to build, then bag one. If it were up to me I would work the hours instead of bagging it, and use that cash to buy one out of a mold.RegardlessI think you will be satisfied from the performance of either version. Bur then my Grandma always thought her pies baked at home, tasted better than store bought ones! Best Regards Larry
Re: [RCSE] Supras done/Icons For Sale
Talking about scheduling. I'm trying to mark my callander for The Visalia Bent Wing, PSS Festival at Cajon, FresnoGrey Cup, Fresno Classic, SVSS spring fling, PSS Soar Uta, Gamblers Gala, VisaliaFallSoaring Festival, Modesto Electric Fly-in, etc. Clubs post your dates Please! - Original Message - From: George Voss Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 8:22 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Supras done/Icons For Sale OK, I waited 2+ years to get my new Icons. Now you guys are telling me they arent the berries, I want to scream! I will trade Icons for Supras. Thats one Icon for 2 Supras. ;-) Im sort of kidding, but I would trade one of my Icons. Roll eyes. I hope my health will hold out so I can go to a few contests and events this year. Im looking forward to Soar Utah more or less for sure, plus the TNT and maybe a few more with a new traveling partner if we can get together on where to go. Itll be a fun year wont it? George Voss 1403 Lincolnshire Rd OKC OK 73159 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 10:14 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: soaring@airage.comSubject: Re: [RCSE] Supras done I am still 20/15 but the reflexes are starting to go at 59. I have owned and flown most of the F3J birds and just when I think they couldn't get any better the Supra emerges. In the hands of a world class flyer it should do very well at the 2006 Worlds! Tom
[RCSE] Fresno Soaring Society Contests
The Fresno Classic will be held on April 1,2. The Fresno Silver Cup will be held on June 3,4. The Silver Cup is restricted to flyers who will be 55 or over during 2006. George MeyersWD6EQS Fresno, California Graduierte, schule der harten klopfen RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] RE: [RCSE] Supra's done/Icons For Sale
I wish we had a club in OKC. Ive brought that up before and I dont want to dwell on it here again. Im really glad for those of us that can still get around. A word to the wise: You young guys who think youll be healthy forever, dont bet on it. I was, emphasis on was, in great health until about 35. At 46 Im on 60mg morphine a day and thats just getting me by. Enjoy it while you can! gv From: Charles Eaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:20 AM To: George Voss Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supras done/Icons For Sale Talking about scheduling. I'm trying to mark my callander for The Visalia Bent Wing, PSS Festival at Cajon, FresnoGrey Cup, Fresno Classic, SVSS spring fling, PSS Soar Uta, Gamblers Gala, VisaliaFallSoaring Festival, Modesto Electric Fly-in, etc. Clubs post your dates Please! - Original Message - From: George Voss Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 8:22 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Supras done/Icons For Sale OK, I waited 2+ years to get my new Icons. Now you guys are telling me they arent the berries, I want to scream! I will trade Icons for Supras. Thats one Icon for 2 Supras. ;-) Im sort of kidding, but I would trade one of my Icons. Roll eyes. I hope my health will hold out so I can go to a few contests and events this year. Im looking forward to Soar Utah more or less for sure, plus the TNT and maybe a few more with a new traveling partnerif we can get together on where to go. Itll be a fun year wont it? George Voss 1403 Lincolnshire Rd OKC OK 73159 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 10:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supras done I am still 20/15 but the reflexes are starting to go at 59. I have owned and flown most of the F3J birds and just when I think they couldn't get any better the Supra emerges. In the hands of a world class flyer it should do very well at the 2006 Worlds! Tom
[RCSE] DLG + servos Batt F/S
New Solo (AkA Enigma) DLG ARF $250.00 + CA tax = $280.00 4 New Dymond D47 Sub-Micro Servo $25.00 x 4 = $100.00 1 new 300ma batt $10.00 Total my cost $390.00 to my door. I never started the build and all is New. I am still flying my used Solo. I also need to fund another project. I am asking $309.00 paypal shipped. this is the price that NES sells the ARF for so you will be getting the Servos / batt for free. Thanks, John Fruge RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] DLG + servos Batt F/S
New Solo (AkA Enigma) DLG ARF $250.00 + CA tax = $280.00 4 New Dymond D47 Sub-Micro Servo $25.00 x 4 = $100.00 1 new 300ma batt $10.00 Total my cost $390.00 to my door. I never started the build and all is New. I am still flying my used Solo. I also need to fund another project. I am asking $309.00 paypal shipped. this is the price that NES sells the ARF for so you will be getting the Servos / batt for free. Thanks, John Fruge RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] DLG + servos Batt F/S
New Solo (AkA Enigma) DLG ARF $250.00 + CA tax = $280.00 4 New Dymond D47 Sub-Micro Servo $25.00 x 4 = $100.00 1 new 300ma batt $10.00 Total my cost $390.00 to my door. I never started the build and all is New. I am still flying my used Solo. I also need to fund another project. I am asking $309.00 paypal shipped. this is the price that NES sells the ARF for so you will be getting the Servos / batt for free. Thanks, John Fruge RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] DLG + servos Batt F/S
New Solo (AkA Enigma) DLG ARF $250.00 + CA tax = $280.00 4 New Dymond D47 Sub-Micro Servo $25.00 x 4 = $100.00 1 new 300ma batt $10.00 Total my cost $390.00 to my door. I never started the build and all is New. I am still flying my used Solo. I also need to fund another project. I am asking $309.00 paypal shipped. this is the price that NES sells the ARF for so you will be getting the Servos / batt for free. Thanks, John Fruge RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Sorry about the Multi posts!
Looks like I had webmail client issues. Thanks, John Fruge RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] DLG + servos Batt F/S
New Solo (AkA Enigma) DLG ARF $250.00 + CA tax = $280.00 4 New Dymond D47 Sub-Micro Servo $25.00 x 4 = $100.00 1 new 300ma batt $10.00 Total my cost $390.00 to my door. I never started the build and all is New. I am still flying my used Solo. I also need to fund another project. I am asking $309.00 paypal shipped. this is the price that NES sells the ARF for so you will be getting the Servos / batt for free. Thanks, John Fruge RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Capt Jack
Jack, Ping me back please Johnny Or does anyone have Jacks phone # ? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] New Stylus for Sale on E-Bay
FYI I have just placed a new Airtronics Stylus complete Radio System for sale on E-Bay at:-- http://cm.ebay.com/cm/ck/1065-29296-2357-0?uid=12823572site=0ver=LCA080805item=6027691110lk=URL Tony Colorado RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Wanted: 2M tail planes
I would like to buy (or receive as a gift from someone very generous) a broken fuse with salvageable tailplanes to use on a 2M. I intend to install them on a WACO 2M which I plan to convert to an electric powered hotliner. I'm not picky and can use either cross or v-tail. Robert Samuels St. Louis _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Wait and Wail...AVA and Organic For Sale!
Everyonce in awhile I run across a great deal on a sailplane, here's two!...and a matching set to boot! Like new AVA, with AVA Bag! Transparent Red (rare), it has two Volz Micro Maxx in the nose, thicker carbon pushrod for the elevator and rudder (no bowing on launches or snapping on spin landings!) This plane has only a few flights on it before its one and only contest this summer...and then it was put away. Now the contest was the Lexington Kentucky Mid-America Champs and it was flown by total RES newbie who had only flown one other RES contest in his life the season before with a xtail'd Majestic The AVA took first place at the Mid Am, so we know it works okay, specially since it was flying in some of the best in the country at RES, Nats Champ Ed Wilson, Paul Siegel, on and on...so we know the plane works :-) Can be shipped as early as tomorrow and flown same day, it is balanced and ready to launch, just add three channel RX and AA sized battery pack in the nose. The nose cone has a McCann skeg taped on. First $720 takes it shipped. Organic, also Red, also has wins, also excellent condition. Two nose cones, Its got some 3VolzMicro Maxxin the wing and I the new Airtronics micros 94091's poweringthe stabs and will come with battery pack too...and a padded wing pouch/bag. Two nose cones, a new one and one Iset up witha McCann screw on skeg. The plane is $490 + shipping, Volz servos $55 each, and I forget what the Airtronics servossold for...shipping ain't cheap ;-) In any case... $550shipped. I fly out to Michigan Sunday nite will be back next Thursday to be able to ship again if you miss mail tomorrow. Call me if you want it shipped right away. Gordy Stahl9303 LeBeau CtLouisville Ky 40299502 727 9595 cell
Re: [RCSE] Aircraft Designers - Completing the Design
Not all DB series connectors are created equal Martin. Typical Radio Shack units are crap to say the least, and have cyclic lifespans (the number of times you can plug/unplug mating connectors before the level of resistance increases to unacceptable levels) similar to what you suggest. The DB-15HD's that I build into customer's harnesses are rated for 400+ cycles, this due directly the design of the pin/spring contact assemblies. Although they cost more, their (electrical) performance decrease over the first 200 cycles is negligeable. Sideways movement in any of this style of connectors is a non-issue given the male/female shrouding, so you can cease worrying about this. The average 0.100 3pin connector that folks are accustom to are not rated for multiple cycling, some of the units I have seen coming in on F3x aircraft from overseas are downright inferior (so is the lead material). Again, you get what you pay for here. High quality versions are indeed available that do offer high cyclic-ability, but they (again) cost more due to spring contact design that offers superior wiping without destroying both contact mating surfaces. I like hehe your non-lapriscopic comment, I'll have to incorporate that term in my advertising... regards Martin Usher wrote: My Stork uses a D type connector in the wing / wing mount to make all the connections to the wing servos. I think its a quite common arrangement on European molded planes, its convenient apart from the servo wires being all standard three pin servo wires that are not marked (so carelessly removing a receiver can lead to fun when replacing it..). The arrangement is neat but its not as good as it seems, the D types were not designed for repeated plugging and unplugging and the get a lot of sideways pull on them during wing attachment and removal -- both would contribute to the plug failing (and such failure would be intermittent.bad news for a servo connector). The standard three pin Molex type connector that's used with R/C equipment is quite a good compromise between cost and reliability..its probably the best connector for the job still. Deans are also OK, they're big but at least you can solder them. I don't think there's anything else I'd trust except maybe the plugs used with USB connectors -- there are are actually a lot of good connectors out there but they're not easy to buy and good connectors tend to be expensive (especially if you want something that will take repeated plugging and unplugging). I will agree with Simon that we need to design in cabling as part of the aircraft design. Not just cables, either -- room for nose weight, mounts for servos, non-lapriscopic access to servos and linkages -- details that really aren't that difficult to get right during the design and a nuisance to add after the fact. Martin Usher RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Simon Van Leeuwen RADIUS SYSTEMS PnP SYSTEMS - The E-Harness of Choice Cogito Ergo Zooom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Lachowski Pod
Got my fuse pod for the Supra from Mike today. Thats quality stuff Mike. Looks so nice it will be hard to paint it, it may stay bare. Walter
[RCSE] Your kidding.......... ?????
Nope, not this time the Sky Bench 164 ASK 18 short kit is in stock. CAD Drawn plan, beautiful canopy, laser parts, material list. The build will be addictive, it is very simple construction. Jim Ealy will do a build thread for my web site as he has done for my 122 Baby Bowlus Albatross. Next Sky Bench scale kit coming up is a 156 Libelle with glass fuse. This one will be ready in late January or early February. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters May 25, 26, 27, 28, 2006 Scale Aerotow - two size classes of RES - 2M and Unl. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Lachowski Pod
I felt the same way about mine! Rob From: Marta Zavala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 7:48 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Lachowski Pod Got my fuse pod for the Supra from Mike today. Thats quality stuff Mike. Looks so nice it will be hard to paint it, it may stay bare. Walter
Re: [RCSE] Lachowski Pod (pic)
i have a pic of these pods on page 4 under my Build Details in my Photo Gallery if you others want to see what their talking about. Great job Mike! Dave Hauchwww.git-r-built.com - Original Message - From: Rob Davis To: 'Marta Zavala' ; soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 9:56 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Lachowski Pod I felt the same way about mine! Rob From: Marta Zavala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 7:48 PMTo: soaring@airage.comSubject: [RCSE] Lachowski Pod Got my fuse pod for the Supra from Mike today. Thats quality stuff Mike. Looks so nice it will be hard to paint it, it may stay bare. Walter
Re: [RCSE] Sold DLG + servos Batt F/S
This has been sold for the asking price. Thanks again and sorry for the webmail glitch rapid fire multi posts today John Fruge - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:51 AM Subject: [RCSE] DLG + servos Batt F/S New Solo (AkA Enigma) DLG ARF $250.00 + CA tax = $280.00 4 New Dymond D47 Sub-Micro Servo $25.00 x 4 = $100.00 1 new 300ma batt $10.00 Total my cost $390.00 to my door. I never started the build and all is New. I am still flying my used Solo. I also need to fund another project. I am asking $309.00 paypal shipped. this is the price that NES sells the ARF for so you will be getting the Servos / batt for free. Thanks, John Fruge RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.14/222 - Release Date: 1/5/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Pike Superior for sale
Real nice, low time, year old Pike Superior for sale. White/Black bottom. Full carbon, full onF3J lay up. Xtail. 341 ailerons/rudder. DS368 flaps. 3421 ele. Ballast slugs. 4cell Nimh, I want to say 2300, will check tomorrow - plane has been packed awaya whileI cant quite remember. Xlent shape, never crashed. Email me for all details/pics/ price(reasonable, trust me). Thanks, Walter
[RCSE] Wait and Wail...AVA and Organic ....SOLD
Don't say I didn't warn you! They were gone in minutes. Keep your eyes open I may come across a couple other goodies :-)Gordy
[RCSE] DB9, etc.
Although I definitely wouldn't recommend it, I bought a 10 year old Sleger Spectrum F3B glider that had standard telephone jack connectors in the wings, and have had no problems with it! I doubt they were ever designed for the power load on a flap servo. Jeff Thompson Soaring wrote: SoaringSat, 7 Jan 2006 Volume 1 : Number 6929 In this issue: Re: [RCSE] Aircraft Designers - Completing the Design Lachowski Pod Your kidding.. ? RE: [RCSE] Lachowski Pod Re: [RCSE] Lachowski Pod (pic) Re: [RCSE] Sold DLG + servos Batt F/S Pike Superior for sale -- Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:08:09 -0800 From: Simon Van Leeuwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Usher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Aircraft Designers - Completing the Design Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not all DB series connectors are created equal Martin. Typical Radio Shack units are crap to say the least, and have cyclic lifespans (the number of times you can plug/unplug mating connectors before the level of resistance increases to unacceptable levels) similar to what you suggest. The DB-15HD's that I build into customer's harnesses are rated for 400+ cycles, this due directly the design of the pin/spring contact assemblies. Although they cost more, their (electrical) performance decrease over the first 200 cycles is negligeable. Sideways movement in any of this style of connectors is a non-issue given the male/female shrouding, so you can cease worrying about this. The average 0.100 3pin connector that folks are accustom to are not rated for multiple cycling, some of the units I have seen coming in on F3x aircraft from overseas are downright inferior (so is the lead material). Again, you get what you pay for here. High quality versions are indeed available that do offer high cyclic-ability, but they (again) cost more due to spring contact design that offers superior wiping without destroying both contact mating surfaces. I like hehe your non-lapriscopic comment, I'll have to incorporate that term in my advertising... regards Martin Usher wrote: My Stork uses a D type connector in the wing / wing mount to make all the connections to the wing servos. I think its a quite common arrangement on European molded planes, its convenient apart from the servo wires being all standard three pin servo wires that are not marked (so carelessly removing a receiver can lead to fun when replacing it..). The arrangement is neat but its not as good as it seems, the D types were not designed for repeated plugging and unplugging and the get a lot of sideways pull on them during wing attachment and removal -- both would contribute to the plug failing (and such failure would be intermittent.bad news for a servo connector). The standard three pin Molex type connector that's used with R/C equipment is quite a good compromise between cost and reliability..its probably the best connector for the job still. Deans are also OK, they're big but at least you can solder them. I don't think there's anything else I'd trust except maybe the plugs used with USB connectors -- there are are actually a lot of good connectors out there but they're not easy to buy and good connectors tend to be expensive (especially if you want something that will take repeated plugging and unplugging). I will agree with Simon that we need to design in cabling as part of the aircraft design. Not just cables, either -- room for nose weight, mounts for servos, non-lapriscopic access to servos and linkages -- details that really aren't that difficult to get right during the design and a nuisance to add after the fact. Martin Usher RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] DB9, etc.
It is always great to hear about inventiveness. Us modelers are a breed apart when it comes to tinkering; I have had the luxury of hearing some very special stories over the years from fliers who either employed, or saw, some pretty unique (shall we say) electrical setups. I'm sure a few of the saged amongst us could share some funny stuff they saw newbies or know-it-alls within the various facets of the our hobby/sport show up with to the flying site (does not have to be necessarily electrical). I'll start (why not - great red should not be wasted when the Glenmorangie pourer is telling you she doesn't drink the stuff); A guy showed up on the slope with the RX antenna four times longer than it should be on one of the first slopers that offered wingerons by a recognizable manufacturer (guess which one). While he was technically correct about the relationship between lambda (the dBm relationship between wavelength and reciprocity in terms of the point in the VHF bandwidth where multiples of, OK...I'll stop right here). Anyways, I (so I thought) very eloquently (some of you know me) attempted to point out the error of his ways. I could elaborate on (and oh so precisely) what I said, but what I thought was interesting is that he never stopped setting up the whole time I was blathering on. Very methodical, not a crack in the armour. Just prior to launch, he looked me in the eye and said really you %^$?...watch this kid and learn somth'n. So I watched and learned. Guess what, it flew. During the first moments following the owner's vigorous attempt to admonish me in the error of my ways, the aircraft started to waver. Have you ever seen flutter and the end result? Now one would think that once wingerons start j*king off that there is precious little chance of things getting any better. I mean reallyif he has employed a full length antenna who KNOW's what's under the hood. They did just that. The guy pulled around onto the slope face with a beam on his face that was almost blinding. He dove down to do a loop, the antenna caught on one of the trees/bushes that are indigenous to most of the foothills in our area, and promptly yanked off the empannage. Did anyone hear about the guy who used solid core wire throughout on his Moebius, and used cyanoacrylate to secure the wires after he twisted them together (cA as an incredibly efficient dialectric/insulator), then launched from the 350-V8 used to tow up fullsize...and the throttle stuck wide open (keep in mind he only put about 30ft of 005 twine on the tow cable)? Or how about the time it was gusting in excess of 100KmH and another newbie against our suggestions of defering until anther day elected to launch at a site he had never seen before, promptly lost his pride and joy when it blew past us at warp nine only to land(?) aft in a farmer's field full of barley. The owner became aware of the whereabouts of his aerobat months later when the farmer dutifully reported to the owner the discovery of his aircraft...in the cow feeder when it poured itself (slightly re-born) out of a huge cylindrical bale. I will stop here... Jeff Thompson wrote: Although I definitely wouldn't recommend it, I bought a 10 year old Sleger Spectrum F3B glider that had standard telephone jack connectors in the wings, and have had no problems with it! I doubt they were ever designed for the power load on a flap servo. Jeff Thompson Soaring wrote: SoaringSat, 7 Jan 2006 Volume 1 : Number 6929 In this issue: Re: [RCSE] Aircraft Designers - Completing the Design Lachowski Pod Your kidding.. ? RE: [RCSE] Lachowski Pod Re: [RCSE] Lachowski Pod (pic) Re: [RCSE] Sold DLG + servos Batt F/S Pike Superior for sale -- Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:08:09 -0800 From: Simon Van Leeuwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Usher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Aircraft Designers - Completing the Design Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not all DB series connectors are created equal Martin. Typical Radio Shack units are crap to say the least, and have cyclic lifespans (the number of times you can plug/unplug mating connectors before the level of resistance increases to unacceptable levels) similar to what you suggest. The DB-15HD's that I build into customer's harnesses are rated for 400+ cycles, this due directly the design of the pin/spring contact assemblies. Although they cost more, their (electrical) performance decrease over the first 200 cycles is negligeable. Sideways movement in any of this style of connectors is a non-issue given the male/female shrouding, so you can cease worrying about this. The average 0.100 3pin connector that folks are accustom to are not rated for multiple cycling, some of the units I have seen
