RE: [RCSE] Commercial Approach Routes
IMHO~ I think New York is worse, just because they change it one you from what is printed. I think Houston follows closely, but the controllers have something to do with that. Don -Original Message- From: Bill Swingle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:15 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Comercial Approach Routes Just of curiosity; How complex are the mandated approach routes in southern California? Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.9/39 - Release Date: 7/4/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.9/39 - Release Date: 7/4/2005 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: Re: Re: Re: [RCSE] F-16 Flyby-Happy 4th of July
Mark, Is this the same engine used on the Osprey? The tilt-o-rotor? Saw them out west Texas and that was a question for the hangar pool. Don -Original Message- From: Mark Wales [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 4:46 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: FW: Re: Re: Re: [RCSE] F-16 Flyby-Happy 4th of July The Orion has the upside down engine.. The Amp on the T-56 is mounted on the top of the engine and has the words NO STEP stamped on it. If you look up in the main wheel well of the Orion (inboard Engines). You can see this Amp facing down with the words NO STEP stamped on it. Kind of odd eh!!! Navy maintainers must walk in some odd places.. Mark Soaring Is Life!! From: Dan Borer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED],soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: [RCSE] F-16 Flyby-Happy 4th of July Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:37:13 -0700 No, no, no...They're upside down on the Herc! Actually the motors are in the same orientation. The gearbox is mounted high on one and low on the other. You guys can guess which one is high and low. Dan - Original Message - From: Mark Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:11 PM Subject: FW: Re: Re: [RCSE] F-16 Flyby-Happy 4th of July Same motor but they installed them upside down on the Orion. Mark Soaring Is Life!! From: Dan Borer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED],Mark Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED],soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: Re: [RCSE] F-16 Flyby-Happy 4th of July Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 08:02:13 -0700 That's why we call those big four-bladed things 'fans'--when they quit turning the crew starts sweating. Unless they are in an Orion and then they intentionally shut a couple of them off before they drop down to skim the waves. Dan - Original Message - From: Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 7:56 AM Subject: Re: Re: [RCSE] F-16 Flyby-Happy 4th of July It's when that sound stops that you gotta start worrying!!!:-) Keith - Original Message - From: Mark Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: FW: Re: [RCSE] F-16 Flyby-Happy 4th of July But there's no sound better than that of a T-56/Turboprop swinging on the wing of a C-130. (The sound's of heaven) Mark (retired C-130 Crew Chief) Soaring Is Life!! From: Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] F-16 Flyby-Happy 4th of July Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:20:25 -0400 Since when? As a professional pilot who has watched people build and buy homes closer and closer to airports that have been there for many tens of years, and some a hell of a lot longer than that, I question their intelligence, education and common sense. Airports are and always will be good for the community, especially from a financial perspective! And those that are home to military squadrons play an even more important role! Most airports generate more steady-state revenue for the local community than people ever seem to realize. And why is it that when people have to travel somewhere and choose to go by airline, the average joe traveling public seems to always be complaining about how much of a pain it is to get to the airport because it's so far away, etc. Everyone seems to want an airport nearby when it serves their personal purposes, but are quick to condemn them if an airplane flies overhead. And those that complain about ticket prices on airlines have no clue what it costs to operate an airplane or airline. Airlines RARELY make much if any profit at all. Most operate in the red! Airlines operate on such thin margins that few people in their right mind would ever invest in one! The incredible lack of understanding and general ignorance of what's involved in supporting and operating aircraft is not just limited to the general public, but sadly also includes those that actually work in the industry (It's all I can do to keep from blowing up when I listen on a discrete frequency to some airline pilots complaining about their contracts, pay and benefit packages as we cruise along at 40,000' over the Atlantic or Pacific routes sometimes). It's really a sad thing. *sigh* okay, I'll get off my soapbox now. Sorry to all for my little rant off-topic... BUT before I go... how can anyone not be turned on by the sound of 50,000 pound thrust G.E. or Pratt and Whitney engines in afterburner, even if it IS at O-dark thirty in the morning? Keith McLellan (crazy about every kind of flying machine imagineable for over 43 years now) Captain New World Aviation - Original Message - From: Don Copley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chuck Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com
RE: [RCSE] Math anyone?
Thanks all...I got it! ~Don -Original Message- From: Brian Courtice [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 12:59 AM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] Math anyone? It's quite simple. Weight divided by area. (Number of ounces divided by number of square feet.) Let's say you have 325 sq in of wing area and your plane weights 28 oz. There is 144 sq inches in a square foot, so that means you have 2.257 sq ft of area. (325/144). Now divide 28 oz by 2.257 and you have your wing loading in oz per square foot. (12.4 oz/ft). It's quite simple. Weight divided by area. (Number of ounces divided by number of square feet.) Let's say you have 325 sq in of wing area and your plane weights 28 oz. There is 144 sq inches in a square foot, so that means you have 2.257 sq ft of area. (325/144). Now divide 28 oz by 2.257 and you have your wing loading in oz per square foot. (12.4 oz/ft). -Original Message- From: Don Lisa Copley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 7:39 PM To: Soaring Digest Subject: [RCSE] Math anyone? What is the math formula for figuring wing loading? Thanks, Don -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Math anyone?
What is the math formula for figuring wing loading? Thanks, Don -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Fw: Gas to reach 3 dollars a gallon
I do hate that when that happensthanks Harley. Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:53 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Fw: Gas to reach 3 dollars a gallon Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have a long mailing list outside of the RCSE, so this was my best avenue to pass on the message. I trust it is a legitimate one worth our consideration. Even if it was true I don't think it would belong on this mailing list, but as I'm sure most people here have already guessed, it's not. Spam emails like this should always be checked out on snopes.com before passing them on. - http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/saudigas.asp Claim: Spurning gasoline from Shell, Chevron, Texaco, Exxon, and Mobil will cut off the funding of terrorists. Status: False - Mike -- Winch Solenoid Safety Buzzer - http://www.vvsss.com/buzzer/ _ \__|__/ (O) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Programming tricks help
While we are on the subject of programming our radios does anyone have some good presets Aileron and Flaps in all settings for the SA 7037 airfoil? I have a Futaba and it uses % so when ever possible I'd appreciate it to put it in % and inches for throws. Thanks, Don RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Programming tricks help
Wing Span 115.25 Chord (widest point) 9.5 Horizontal Flying Stab 24 Nose to rudder 55 Thanks in advance -Don --- Subject: RE: [RCSE] Programming tricks help They can't put it in inches, it depends on the span of the aircraft. They use percent so that it can be applicable to all aircraft with that foil. So you may want to send out a follow up post with the span of your aircraft. John --- Subject: RE: [RCSE] Programming tricks help While we are on the subject of programming our radios does anyone have some good presets Aileron and Flaps in all settings for the SA 7037 airfoil? I have a Futaba and it uses % so when ever possible I'd appreciate it to put it in % and inches for throws. Thanks, Don RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] RMSA F3J with Winches Results
Jim, Who distributes / handles Pike Superior in the USA? Don -Original Message- From: Jim Monaco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 12:46 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] RMSA F3J with Winches Results Some of you requested the results from our F3J with winches contest. You can view the results at: http://www.rmsadenver.com/scores/2005/0503/0503.htm We had a lighter than normal turnout since it was a rescheduled event due to snow the previous weekend and spring break weekend was here, but we had a great contest anyway. Since there were only 10 pilots we flew groups of 5 with the other 5 pilots as timers. There was a choice of strategy for line retrieving since there were not enough pilots to also fetch the lines. Some pilots chose to send their callers/timers down the line during the preptime to hurry back with the lines after the launch. Others chose to keep the timers near them until they were established - then send them down to get the lines in case of a relite... The conditions were quite challenging. We had a strong overcast with ocassional showers moving thru. There were periods of great lift and also much sink. Some rounds were won with 4 or 5 minute times.In accordance with F3J rules we allowed 1 throwout and in the end Skip Miller won 1.5 points ahead of me... There were some great flights in tough conditions. We all had a great time and really enjoy the format. For those that want to know the planes: Skip Miller - Pike Superior Jim Monaco - Icon Mike Verzuh - Pike Superior Don Ingram - Tsunami Bob Lewan - Pike Superior Lenny Keer - Pike Superior Danny Williams - Icon Bob Moffett - Stratos? Jim Barr - AVA Steve Suntkin - Graphite Jim Monaco RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Looking for a battery charger
Does anybody have a extra battery charger they are not using (IWTB)? I don't plan to buy the lithium-ion cells or Lithium-polymer cells anytime soon so a new Triton charger isn't really needed. But I do need to charge both the NiCd and NiMH type any help or options is always appreciative. Best Regards, Don RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Futaba Super 8UAPS/8UAFS
Huh? I thought you said they were good Phil http://sites.gizoogle.com/?url=http://www.futaba-rc.com/service.html I feel over in my chair. LOL Don Ps. I rate it an R for language. An A' for being funny. -Original Message- From: Phil Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 8:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Futaba Super 8UAPS/8UAFS As a matter of fact I just sent two of my Futaba 8U transmitters in for servicing today. The repair service that Futaba uses works very well. One of the transmitters I sent in was an 8UA system that some aftermarket user had modified to put the three position switch on the left. Guys do this all the time. I have not done this but it is possible to physically move the switch to the other side and perhaps modify the wiring harness so it reaches the new position. I'm a little hazy on what is involved since I have not done that operation myself. Perhaps a better idea is to send the transmitter to the Futaba service center and ask to have it changed over to switch mode 1. If you go with the do-it-youself method then you will have a problem if you ever want to send the transmitter in for any sort of repair work. The first thing they will insist on doing is to return the transmitter to factory standard condition before doing any other work. They won't mind putting the transmitter into factory standard condition as a switch mode one transmitter but you will have to get that done before any other factory service work can be done on the transmitter, so you might want to consider getting that conversion done from the beginning rather than attempting some non standard modification yourself first. I have been impressed with the service they have offered and it did not seem expensive either. They will fix every little thing on the transmitter that you send them including the replacement of broken switches, etc. It will be just like a new transmitter when they are done. Here is a link to the service center; http://www.futaba-rc.com/service.html You just fill out and print a repair order and send that in with the transmitter. For an extra $35.00 they will give you a two day turnaround time also. Phil - Original Message - From: Don Lisa Copley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Com soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 7:50 PM Subject: [RCSE] Futaba Super 8UAPS/8UAFS Everyone, I have the predecessor to the Super 9's. It's probably the same in regards to most aspects but this one is a discontinued item. I have a Start/Normal/Speed switch. It says twice in the manual If you wish to have the three position switch controlling Normal, Start and Speed, you should purchase the 8UH Helicopter system. The UA system places it on the right-hand side. I wonder which techno-geek-college-kid thought up that especially after you purchasing it! Don't get me wrong I really like the radio for ease of programming. A normal powered acrobatic pilot who could care less which side of the TX to place the 3-position switch to a sailplane pilot who is right handed...well now it gets interesting. Now, I got fast hands. The question is has anybody modified their radio and switch the switches around on the transmitter? It's a discontinued item and haven't even looked to see if it would work. Suggestion, thought, ideas or I've been down that canyon road before... Best regards, Don RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Futaba Super 8UAPS/8UAFS
Everyone, I have the predecessor to the Super 9's. It's probably the same in regards to most aspects but this one is a discontinued item. I have a Start/Normal/Speed switch. It says twice in the manual If you wish to have the three position switch controlling Normal, Start and Speed, you should purchase the 8UH Helicopter system. The UA system places it on the right-hand side. I wonder which techno-geek-college-kid thought up that especially after you purchasing it! Don't get me wrong I really like the radio for ease of programming. A normal powered acrobatic pilot who could care less which side of the TX to place the 3-position switch to a sailplane pilot who is right handed...well now it gets interesting. Now, I got fast hands. The question is has anybody modified their radio and switch the switches around on the transmitter? It's a discontinued item and haven't even looked to see if it would work. Suggestion, thought, ideas or I've been down that canyon road before... Best regards, Don RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Skegs
It does make things a little more fun doesn't it? I am still waiting on my paperwork just to start level 1!!! 8-) I got a question for you..how do you fly for 8 hours? Finding lift is the easy part ;-)... No really... got to go to the bathroom, eat or worse yet battery going dead ~Don -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 8:14 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.comSubject: Re: [RCSE] Skegs In a message dated 3/17/2005 9:03:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey Bill...your a level 4?After 8 hours on that slope for level five your second might leave too ;-).That's why I got my wife flying a glider...but she also has more sense thanI do. Yup, my wife can fly gliders,also IC E power, and R/C Helis. But she chooses to just time for me nowadays, and I kayak with her. :-) One of these days, I'll get set up to try the 8 hour slope, with some witnesses other flyers. We have a couple slopes around here that will support it on the right day, and I have some other LSF flyers here also. Bill GrenobleLSF 7558 IVHawksnest SoaringShermans Dale, PA
[RCSE] skegs and teeth
Skegs (skid type peg)and teeth...need them or not? Does it help you get those points?Forget it they are a hazard to fly with! Best Regards, Don
RE: [RCSE] skegs and teeth
Mark, How big of teeth are you talking about? I think 16 penny nails would keep the landing area clear. I bet you would have any problems keeping your timer back either. Regards, Don -Original Message- From: Mark Wales [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 6:35 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] skegs and teeth I would not be so worried about the skegs and teeth mounted to someones plane, but more the 4 pounds of aircraft moving towards me at a high rate of speed if they're not!! I was out flying my old Camano the other day and it has a skeg mounted on it, and I asked myself why... When I drop those big flaps down to 90% and both ailerons go up it almost stops inflight, but keeps coming right up to the tape at a slow walk. Skegs and Teeth? Maybe the rules should say you have to use them during a contest to keep the landing area safe for others. Thermals Mark Soaring Is Life!! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] skegs and teeth
Kevin, The answer is "yes" in both cases. The first one he is avoiding a miss the last one he is stretching it to the mark. I guess I need to find some teeth somewhere. Anybody got a home made idea for teeth? My wife took away my checkbook Don -Original Message-From: Kevin Sheen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:04 PMTo: Don Lisa Copley; soaring@airage.comSubject: Re: [RCSE] skegs and teethDepends, do you land like this:http://www.ts3.org/gallery/CSS-2003-Pumpkin-Fly/DSCF0059or this?http://www.ts3.org/gallery/CSS-2003-Pumpkin-Fly/DSCF0072smileKevinAt 04:07 PM 3/16/2005 -0600, you wrote: Skegs (skid type peg) and teeth...need them or not?Does it help you get those points? Forget it they are a hazard to fly with!Best Regards,Don
RE: [RCSE] alternate to lead shot
grams/cc.) There are heavier metals than lead but I doubt if many are cheaper. Or legal HA! Don Ps. You are right about those ICON pilots I heard they carry around nuclear reactor batteries for those long timed flights. Next to an ICON a reactor is cheap. Subject: Re: [RCSE] alternate to lead shot At 01:26 PM 3/14/2005, D Hauch wrote: Hi, I see that Federal Ammunition has a tungston shot out, and there's another that is heavier then that. (Matrix) ? Density of tungsten is about 19.6 grams/cc. The heaviest known element is osmium at about 22.6 grams/cc. Most anything heavier than tungsten is mind bogglingly expensive (only Icon pilots could even consider it) or toxic or both. It say's it's 30% heavier then lead. Lead is about 11.3 grams/cc. (Steel is about 7.8 grams/cc and aluminum around 2.7 grams/cc, titanium comes in at 4.5 grams/cc and tin at 7.3 grams/cc.) There are heavier metals than lead but I doubt if many are cheaper. Cheers, Bill RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] canopy tinting
I've gotten various replies it boils down to two methods 1) Dye 2) Patco Window Tint Spray Paint Hoy water messy dyes or paint? I'll use the paint thanks everyone for their hints. Don -Original Message- From: Kerry Cochrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Don Lisa Copley Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] canopy tinting The RC car folks use a Pactra spray designed to tint and not cover as a plus it is formulated for plastic. 6 or 8 colors too. With 1 or 3 light coats it comes out great. http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?I=LXCY44P=ML Don Lisa Copley wrote: Anybody have a way to tint your canopy w/o warping the plastic? Don RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] canopy tinting
Sounds great I will try to get this at our local store as the owner does have airplanes and all but is kind of a RC Car nut. Don -Original Message- From: Kerry Cochrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Don Lisa Copley Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] canopy tinting The RC car folks use a Pactra spray designed to tint and not cover as a plus it is formulated for plastic. 6 or 8 colors too. With 1 or 3 light coats it comes out great. http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?I=LXCY44P=ML Don Lisa Copley wrote: Anybody have a way to tint your canopy w/o warping the plastic? Don RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] canopy tinting
Anybody have a way to tint your canopy w/o warping the plastic? Don RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Ferrite beads source
What's that? Sounds like it's in the same family as Kryptonite? Back to you, Don -Original Message-From: Albert E. Wedworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 5:38 PMTo: Soaring@airage.comSubject: [RCSE] Ferrite beads sorce Hi Folks Where can a guy get some ferrite beads? Need some of um.. Cheers Al Albert E. Wedworth ( AL ) ERA Capshaw RealestateREALTOR- ASSOCIATECell 530-228-9445Fax 530-343-1715
[RCSE] Airfoil question
Over the past week we have gone from Artemis to Zenith's in what to fly discussion category. It's boiled down to two things: 1.) it's a tool use it...practice, practice practice 2.) ...and airfoil What is the difference between (Zenith etc.) MH-32 and (Sharon Pro) SD 7037 which turn into a RG15. This is Greek to me. I don't have aerodynamics degree but it seems pretty important for what your airplane can do and can do in a contest environment...yes, I will have practice at least three times a week. Don RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Airfoil question
John. So it turns into a Chevy Ford fiasco again? I have some top fliers commenting on the Sharon. They must feel it when they fly to different airfoils like you said. So the foil with less camber is easier to change the TE flight characteristics and the plane with more camber is harder? Thanks for the education, Don -Original Message- From: John Erickson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 10:47 AM To: Don Lisa Copley; Soaring List Subject: Re: [RCSE] Airfoil question Don, A lot of the airfoils will reference numbers that have to do with 2 things: Camber and Thickness. The Zenith has a HQW 3.5/8. The HQW part is the author, in this case Helmut Quabeck. The 3.5 is the percent camber, and the 8 is the percent thickness. In general, the greater the camber, the more lift but at a price of more drag. Where you really see it is in windy conditions or when you are trying to go fast. Trying to make the best of both worlds, the designers have set up the airfoils so you can change the trailing edge of the wing (reflex or camber) hence changing the airfoil. A reflexed airfoil is going to scoot across the sky better, but not have as much lift. Some of the differences between airfoils are so small that only as a more experienced pilot will you notice a difference. There are other factors like the wing planform (shape) that also come into play. So...the MH32 has less camber than the HQW 3.5/8 which in turn has less than the 7037. That's probably the order you would put them in general terms if you are talking about drag and lift. Your final sentence sums it all up. If you practice 3 times a week (lucky man) it won't really matter what foil your plane has. A good pilot can make a number of foils work, it just comes down to preference and flying style. JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA From: Don Lisa Copley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 02:41:26 -0600 To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Airfoil question Over the past week we have gone from Artemis to Zenith's in what to fly discussion category. It's boiled down to two things: 1.) it's a tool use it...practice, practice practice 2.) ...and airfoil What is the difference between (Zenith etc.) MH-32 and (Sharon Pro) SD 7037 which turn into a RG15. This is Greek to me. I don't have aerodynamics degree but it seems pretty important for what your airplane can do and can do in a contest environment...yes, I will have practice at least three times a week. Don RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Looking for a comparison between the Eraser Xtreme and Sharon
So how come he brought three of them and has been flying with one type of plane longer than I fly any one type of plane? Maybe he is trying to horde those Sharon's I be thinking -Original Message-From: Mike Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:36 AMTo: Mike Remus; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.comCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [RCSE] Looking for a comparison between the Eraser Xtreme and SharonOK, now for a differing and contradictory opinion...I have flown many many gliders over my 27+ years of model soaring. When I had the opportunity to fly a Sharon, I took it. When I had the opportunity to buy that Sharon 3.7 Pro - X tail, I jumped at it. It is my one and only thermal duration, or F3J contest bird. It floats in light lift better than almost any other glider. It will, and I have hand launched this "cow" and climbed out in tight little thermals. It is not a "Cow". It is nimble, and has great legs. It covers ground with the best of them and again better than most. As for landing...it is a very good landing machine. Just ask the guys that flew in last years Unlimited class at the Nats. It did not let me down. Of course I was only flying for 2nd place until Josh had his bad luck. But still, within 12" from the nail 90% of the time is not the results one would expect from a "Cow".Keep in mind, I am not sponsored or paid to say any of this. I am a true believer in the Sharon Pro 3.7 Cross Tail.All of the above applies if you have set the airplane up correctly. It is a big glider. If the set-up is not right, it could be difficult to fly correctly. And for the record, if you haven't figured this out by now, I disagree totally with the Rabbit...Of course, he could just be trying to keep you from getting oneI bet he has two or three back-up Sharons in the briar patch with him ;^)Happy flyingMikeAt 05:44 PM 3/5/2005, Mike Remus wrote: I am on my third Sharon Pro 3.7. Been flying them for about 3 years, except last year "personal reasons". They are a real hand full to launch, must be flown at exactly the right air speed, a cow to land, and quirky in a thermal. Tell him to Please stick with the Eraser. It's much better. Don't ask me why I stick with the Sharon, possibly to old to change my ways.Brare RabbitOn Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:26:43 -0700 "Adam Till" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi folks, Posting for a friend off-list. He's looking for a relative comparison of the flying abilities of the Sharon 3.7 and Eraser Xtreme, and since I've never flown a Sharon, I'm not much help. I'd assume that the Eraser would be better at working light or tight lift, but what about relative flight speeds or climbing ability in lift? How strong is the Eraser Xtreme wing? (I know the F3B wing is basically bulletproof...love my Eraser) Will the RG-15 Sharon wing slow down nicely in lift like the Eraser's MH-32 will? He's finding that his d-box NYX doesn't match his flying style, and is looking for something else. I'm pushing him towards an Eraser of some description since I've been flying them for 5 years faithfully, but don't have any direct experience with anything other than the F3B version. Anyone have a NIB or like-new Sharon or Eraser Xtreme (or F3J) that they want to sell? Would have to be in perfect shape, no repaired models please. Cheers, Adam PS - got to fly a pair of bald eagles today as we both themalled out from about 50 feet...what a treat! Photos: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343196 Mike RemusLOFT Glider ClubFort Wayne INLSF Level 5 #112Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams!
RE: [RCSE] C O N T E S T WE DO
I saw the mountains in the back ground. A dream contest! IO also went to the website and found the information. Thanks -Original Message-From: Lee Cox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 2:11 PMTo: Don Lisa Copley; soaring mail pageSubject: RE: [RCSE] C O N T E S T WE DO Don, If you go to last year (2004) scores on web site shown below you will fin planes flown.. Not all pilots fill this part out on their score card, But most of them are shown... Also look over the photo's of past years and see the beauty of the Sierra mountains in the background... Hard to find a more picturesque place to fly... only 11 miles to beautiful Lake Tahoe Lee Cox CD Don Lisa Copley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How come nobody keeps track of what was flown at contest? (Thinking out loud) Don -Original Message-From: Lee Cox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 12:57 PMTo: soaring mail pageSubject: [RCSE] C O N T E S T The Sierra Silent Soarers will be holding their 3rd. annual " GAMBLERS' GALA " Thermal duration contest on July 16th. 17th. Location will be our wide open pasture lands of the Laura Springs Ranch in Gardnerville, Nevada Check the web site for all information and entry forms as well as photo's and scores from last year. Web site is at http://www.sierrasilentsoarers.com/ Lee Cox CDLeeCox-Nevada, U.S.A.[EMAIL PROTECTED] __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com LeeCox-Nevada, U.S.A.[EMAIL PROTECTED] Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web
[RCSE] How do you...?
Ya'll I was flying today (Aquila Grande) when I probably shouldn't have been in 20 mph gust. We used a winch and she kited on me before I knew it and hit the ground on the nose and cart wheeled to the wing. The only damage I have found thus far is my outer panel snapped at the dihedral and threw my spoiler out of that wing. My problem is a night at the work bench but the real question is how do I remove the 5/8 steel rod in the fuse as it was bent on both sides during the launch? The rod is 9 long 3 is into each wing. Thanks, Don RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] How do you...?
Everyone thank you all for your help. I knew there was a few construction experts. The one thing I found in common is cut it. I cut it and I got a new one on the way .They are only $5 - $10. It will take a couple of days before I fly her anyway. Although Harvey I like your idea the best but that last comment probably would have led me to cutting it anyway. Problem solved except for pilot decision making skills. :-) -Original Message- From: Harley Michaelis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 7:54 PM To: Don Lisa Copley Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] How do you...? Don, get a couple of pieces of metal plumbing pipe the rod ends will fit into for leverage. If possible, first rotate the rod so the bent ends point to the tail, put the nose in your belly and simultaneously bend the rods back. You should be able to straighten it enough to get it out, but will likely need a new rod. Otherwise, saw it off one bent end so you can pull it out the other side. - Original Message - From: Don Lisa Copley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 4:33 PM Subject: [RCSE] How do you...? Ya'll I was flying today (Aquila Grande) when I probably shouldn't have been in 20 mph gust. We used a winch and she kited on me before I knew it and hit the ground on the nose and cart wheeled to the wing. The only damage I have found thus far is my outer panel snapped at the dihedral and threw my spoiler out of that wing. My problem is a night at the work bench but the real question is how do I remove the 5/8 steel rod in the fuse as it was bent on both sides during the launch? The rod is 9 long 3 is into each wing. Thanks, Don RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] C O N T E S T
How come nobody keeps track of what was flown at contest? (Thinking out loud) Don -Original Message-From: Lee Cox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 12:57 PMTo: soaring mail pageSubject: [RCSE] C O N T E S T The Sierra Silent Soarers will be holding their 3rd. annual " GAMBLERS' GALA " Thermal duration contest on July 16th. 17th. Location will be our wide open pasture lands of the Laura Springs Ranch in Gardnerville, Nevada Check the web site for all information and entry forms as well as photo's and scores from last year. Web site is at http://www.sierrasilentsoarers.com/ Lee Cox CDLeeCox-Nevada, U.S.A.[EMAIL PROTECTED] __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[RCSE] Shoo Goo?
David would you please re-post your idea maybe a link with pictures too??? Some how I've probably deleted it when I got home after a 4 day trip and found 198 emails to sort through. ;-) Just think, guys. . .without this matter having come up we would never have had the brilliant suggestion by David Judson of using Shoo Goo for hinging! Look out Sig, those CA hinges will soon become passe. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] When the ribs are smaller
I am working on the Gambler + . There is a building discussion that is over 970 threads long. To find this answer is difficult. In the wing the ribs are smaller than the TE that comes with the kit. Do I align the ribs to the top of the TE or the bottom. After I do I am suppose to sand the TE to match the ribs. Which works better without screwing the airfoil? Thank you, Don RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What R You flying?
Daryl, What are you flying these days in most any given weather situation that works either by adding ballast or removing ballast for TD/F3J's events? I got an R/C buddy and I are looking at moldies frankly we've given ourselves a migraine. It seems we started a Ford vs. Chevy discussion in the R/C discussions. We don't really want to fly what everyone else is using in the club. We want to get into the contest for TD F3J and wiling to put the time in. Just to be apart of the gang isn't't our game. We know the airplane we get we need to know it like we know our wives in order to be competitive. We've heard Pike's, Sharon's, NYX's, Artimus', etc. It's like the Chinese alphabet for airplanes...Thoughts? Suggestions? Finally, when I plunk down $1000 on a ship. I can't go to my wife in 3 months and say Opps got the wrong airplane. Don -Original Message- From: Daryl Perkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 9:12 AM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Another 9303 camber question A! Sounds like a royal pain in the a@@ to me I have two words for you guys. Airtronics... and Stylus. ;-) Daryl Perkins - Team Airtronics Adding to my list of what sucks - 2M, V-Tails, a certain radio and its camber function programmability... ;-) Standard disclaimer - JUST KIDDING!!! :) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] F3B World Champs History
They wouldn't have listed airplanes used as well would they? -Original Message- From: Mark Stockton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:30 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] F3B World Champs History -- Forwarded Message --- From: Ilma Stockton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MGASA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:07:55 +0200 Subject: [mgasa] F3B World Champs I am trying to gather information regarding all the world champs for F3B, both the ones we did and did not participate in. The information I want is, who made up our team (3 pilots, team, manager and helpers), where the individuals were placed and where the team was placed. Which individual came 1st, 2nd and 3rd, and which teams came 1st, 2nd and 3rd. It would also be nice if I could get hold of the Logo's used for the various events. This is for the www.f3x.za.org website. Thanks Ilma RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
