Re: logo contest
On 8-Dec-08, at 10:47 AM, Mike Klaas wrote: On 7-Dec-08, at 7:40 PM, Chris Hostetter wrote: : I would personally prefer more of an elimination-style vote (i.e., STV). Ah... yeah, that seems like it would be a more fair way to deal with things then my suggestion, and it doesn't violate the spirt of the rules as original outlined (it's still a vote of ranked preferences). Are you volunteering to do the vote counting Mike? Sure thing. I take it that there are no objections? If so, I'll call a vote by the end of the week. cheers, -Mike
Re: logo contest
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Mike Klaas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8-Dec-08, at 10:47 AM, Mike Klaas wrote: On 7-Dec-08, at 7:40 PM, Chris Hostetter wrote: : I would personally prefer more of an elimination-style vote (i.e., STV). Ah... yeah, that seems like it would be a more fair way to deal with things then my suggestion, and it doesn't violate the spirt of the rules as original outlined (it's still a vote of ranked preferences). Are you volunteering to do the vote counting Mike? Sure thing. I take it that there are no objections? If so, I'll call a vote by the end of the week. +1 I just wish we had used this method with the community vote. I guess as a committer I should try and figure out what order the community would have voted and do that. -Yonik
Re: logo contest
On Dec 10, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Yonik Seeley wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Mike Klaas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8-Dec-08, at 10:47 AM, Mike Klaas wrote: On 7-Dec-08, at 7:40 PM, Chris Hostetter wrote: : I would personally prefer more of an elimination-style vote (i.e., STV). Ah... yeah, that seems like it would be a more fair way to deal with things then my suggestion, and it doesn't violate the spirt of the rules as original outlined (it's still a vote of ranked preferences). Are you volunteering to do the vote counting Mike? Sure thing. I take it that there are no objections? If so, I'll call a vote by the end of the week. +1 I just wish we had used this method with the community vote. I guess as a committer I should try and figure out what order the community would have voted and do that. Yes -- I am only comfortable with a 'committer only' vote if it is clear we are all operating to figure out what the first community vote intended -- not to select our own preferences. (unless it is an explicit veto) ryan
Re: logo contest
On 10-Dec-08, at 12:41 PM, Yonik Seeley wrote: Sure thing. I take it that there are no objections? If so, I'll call a vote by the end of the week. +1 I just wish we had used this method with the community vote. I guess as a committer I should try and figure out what order the community would have voted and do that. I could run the results of the community vote interpreted as STV, if that would help (it'll be a few days, though). -Mike
Re: logo contest
I added some more math to the script I used to generate the results
page... and what do you know: no official winner by any of the
methods! (assuming my math is correct)
check:
http://people.apache.org/~ryan/solr-logo-results.html
for a variety of attempts.
The problem with the STV method is that it continues until you meed a
quota: (votes/seats+1)+1, in our case (19/2)+1=10. Nothing ever gets
to 10, so you will notice that stv==votes for everything!
So the next option is to try instant runoff voting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting
in that method, the losers of each round is tossed out and the vote
continues until there is a majority. Again, we never reach a
majority, but the last two logos to lose are:
eliminating (4)
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394264/apache_solr_a_red.jpg
eliminating (4)
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png
Other things to perhaps consider. Using the scoring method,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png
is the winner.
The STV or vote counting method puts
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394264/apache_solr_a_red.jpg
or
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394264/apache_solr_b_red.jpg
at the top.
If we only count the first round of voting
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png
wins followed by:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394264/apache_solr_a_red.jpg
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394264/apache_solr_b_red.jpg
There you go. clear as mud!
As I see it, we either call a new community poll -- nothing in the
rules says we can't. or vote on:
1.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png
last eliminated by instant runoff and it won the 'soring' method
2.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394264/apache_solr_a_red.jpg
last eliminated by instant runoff and *may* have won if the other
similar logos were not involved.
ryan
here is the hacked up code if you are curious...
String[][] v = new String[][] {
{
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394267/apache_solr_c_blue.jpg
,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394265/apache_solr_b_blue.jpg
,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394263/apache_solr_a_blue.jpg
,
},
{
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394282/solr2_maho_impression.png
,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394366/solr3_maho.png
,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394264/apache_solr_a_red.jpg
,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394266/apache_solr_b_red.jpg
,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394218/solr-solid.png
,
},
{
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394218/solr-solid.png
,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394376/solr_sp.png
,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12393951/sslogo-solr-classic.png
,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12391946/apache_solr_burning.png
,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12392306/apache_solr_sun.png
,
},
{
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394267/apache_solr_c_blue.jpg
,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394268/apache_solr_c_red.jpg
,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394282/solr2_maho_impression.png
,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394366/solr3_maho.png
,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12393936/logo_remake.jpg
,
},
{
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394282/solr2_maho_impression.png
,
},
{
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394282/solr2_maho_impression.png
,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394475/solr2_maho-vote.png
,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394268/apache_solr_c_red.jpg
,
},
{
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394263/apache_solr_a_blue.jpg
,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394282/solr2_maho_impression.png
,
},
{
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394282/solr2_maho_impression.png
,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394266/apache_solr_b_red.jpg
,
},
{
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png
,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394282/solr2_maho_impression.png
,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394353/solr.s5.jpg
,
Re: logo contest
: There you go. clear as mud! : As I see it, we either call a new community poll -- nothing in the rules says : we can't. or vote on: FWIW: My opinion hasn't really changed since i said... committers should cast their votes as they feel appropriate to best serve the interests of the community -- it's not really different then voting on an implementation approach for a feature, or what logging framework to use, or a decisison to switch from java 1.5 to 1.6 ... we have to make a subjective decision based on the feedback we've observed from the community as a whole (with solr-logo-results.html serving as our cliff notes) ... i suggest we move forward with a straight STV/IRV based vote of committers (if anyone was going to VETO a submission i'm sure they would have done it by now) and let individual committers rank things the way they feel best represents the wishes of community. since we have to subjectively interpret the community vote, let's apply individual subjective interpretations and aggregate them (in line with the orriginal contest rules) instead of picking one arbitrary subjective interpretation and then voting +1. If we can't trust ourselves to represent the community fairly on picking a logo, we have no business committing any code. -Hoss
Re: logo contest
On 7-Dec-08, at 7:40 PM, Chris Hostetter wrote: : I would personally prefer more of an elimination-style vote (i.e., STV). Ah... yeah, that seems like it would be a more fair way to deal with things then my suggestion, and it doesn't violate the spirt of the rules as original outlined (it's still a vote of ranked preferences). Are you volunteering to do the vote counting Mike? Sure thing. -Mike
Re: logo contest
: I would personally prefer more of an elimination-style vote (i.e., STV). Ah... yeah, that seems like it would be a more fair way to deal with things then my suggestion, and it doesn't violate the spirt of the rules as original outlined (it's still a vote of ranked preferences). Are you volunteering to do the vote counting Mike? Anyone have objections to using STV? Background Info... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting -Hoss
logo contest
We have discussed with the apache PRC (public relations committee), and they agree that the top choice in the logo contest should be disqualified for its similarity to the solaris logo. Given the rules agreed upon in http://wiki.apache.org/solr/ LogoContest, the next step is for Solr committers to use the results of the community poll to decide what the official logo should be. I posted the results here: http://people.apache.org/~ryan/solr-logo-results.html If we count a vote that came in 12 hours late, the results are quite different: http://people.apache.org/~ryan/solr-logo-results-late.html Using the direct scoring method agreed upon, the logo with the most points is: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png However, it is tough to gauge the real intent/preference since the vote totals are so low. I see two options: 1. Have solr committers vote to accept: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png 2. Have a 'runoff' poll with the top contenders: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394264/apache_solr_a_red.jpg https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394266/apache_solr_b_red.jpg https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394268/apache_solr_c_red.jpg Following the rules strictly points to option #1, but I think option #2 may better reflect the original intent of the community poll. Personally, I am happy with any of these options (and logos); I just want to make sure we have a process that everyone feels is/was fair. ryan
Re: logo contest
I see two options: 1. Have solr committers vote to accept: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png 2. Have a 'runoff' poll with the top contenders: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394264/apache_solr_a_red.jpg https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394266/apache_solr_b_red.jpg https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394268/apache_solr_c_red.jpg Following the rules strictly points to option #1, but I think option #2 may better reflect the original intent of the community poll. Personally, I am happy with any of these options (and logos); I just want to make sure we have a process that everyone feels is/was fair. I'll add that i have a slight preference for option #1 since it would get this process done with sooner :) ryan
Re: logo contest
Hoss may lay down the rules on us, but if he doesn't (or if hes in a good mood today), +1 on the runoff vote. Ryan McKinley wrote: We have discussed with the apache PRC (public relations committee), and they agree that the top choice in the logo contest should be disqualified for its similarity to the solaris logo. Given the rules agreed upon in http://wiki.apache.org/solr/LogoContest, the next step is for Solr committers to use the results of the community poll to decide what the official logo should be. I posted the results here: http://people.apache.org/~ryan/solr-logo-results.html If we count a vote that came in 12 hours late, the results are quite different: http://people.apache.org/~ryan/solr-logo-results-late.html Using the direct scoring method agreed upon, the logo with the most points is: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png However, it is tough to gauge the real intent/preference since the vote totals are so low. I see two options: 1. Have solr committers vote to accept: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png 2. Have a 'runoff' poll with the top contenders: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394264/apache_solr_a_red.jpg https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394266/apache_solr_b_red.jpg https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394268/apache_solr_c_red.jpg Following the rules strictly points to option #1, but I think option #2 may better reflect the original intent of the community poll. Personally, I am happy with any of these options (and logos); I just want to make sure we have a process that everyone feels is/was fair. ryan
Re: logo contest
I prefertaking option #1 and not delaying this any further On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Mark Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hoss may lay down the rules on us, but if he doesn't (or if hes in a good mood today), +1 on the runoff vote. Ryan McKinley wrote: We have discussed with the apache PRC (public relations committee), and they agree that the top choice in the logo contest should be disqualified for its similarity to the solaris logo. Given the rules agreed upon in http://wiki.apache.org/solr/LogoContest, the next step is for Solr committers to use the results of the community poll to decide what the official logo should be. I posted the results here: http://people.apache.org/~ryan/solr-logo-results.html If we count a vote that came in 12 hours late, the results are quite different: http://people.apache.org/~ryan/solr-logo-results-late.html Using the direct scoring method agreed upon, the logo with the most points is: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png However, it is tough to gauge the real intent/preference since the vote totals are so low. I see two options: 1. Have solr committers vote to accept: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png 2. Have a 'runoff' poll with the top contenders: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394264/apache_solr_a_red.jpg https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394266/apache_solr_b_red.jpg https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394268/apache_solr_c_red.jpg Following the rules strictly points to option #1, but I think option #2 may better reflect the original intent of the community poll. Personally, I am happy with any of these options (and logos); I just want to make sure we have a process that everyone feels is/was fair. ryan -- --Noble Paul
Re: logo contest
Ryan McKinley wrote: I see two options: 1. Have solr committers vote to accept: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png 2. Have a 'runoff' poll with the top contenders: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394264/apache_solr_a_red.jpg https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394266/apache_solr_b_red.jpg https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394268/apache_solr_c_red.jpg Following the rules strictly points to option #1, but I think option #2 may better reflect the original intent of the community poll. I prefer option #2 as well. -- Best regards, Andrzej Bialecki ___. ___ ___ ___ _ _ __ [__ || __|__/|__||\/| Information Retrieval, Semantic Web ___|||__|| \| || | Embedded Unix, System Integration http://www.sigram.com Contact: info at sigram dot com
Re: logo contest
I'm with Noble. #1 for me as well for the sake of making a decision and running with a quality logo sooner rather than later. ObBiasTransparency: Steve Stedman,the designer of sslogo* submissions, is a good friend of mine. Awesome dude. He does really nice work. Erik On Dec 4, 2008, at 11:36 AM, Noble Paul നോബിള് नोब्ळ् wrote: I prefertaking option #1 and not delaying this any further On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Mark Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hoss may lay down the rules on us, but if he doesn't (or if hes in a good mood today), +1 on the runoff vote. Ryan McKinley wrote: We have discussed with the apache PRC (public relations committee), and they agree that the top choice in the logo contest should be disqualified for its similarity to the solaris logo. Given the rules agreed upon in http://wiki.apache.org/solr/LogoContest , the next step is for Solr committers to use the results of the community poll to decide what the official logo should be. I posted the results here: http://people.apache.org/~ryan/solr-logo-results.html If we count a vote that came in 12 hours late, the results are quite different: http://people.apache.org/~ryan/solr-logo-results-late.html Using the direct scoring method agreed upon, the logo with the most points is: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png However, it is tough to gauge the real intent/preference since the vote totals are so low. I see two options: 1. Have solr committers vote to accept: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png 2. Have a 'runoff' poll with the top contenders: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394264/apache_solr_a_red.jpg https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394266/apache_solr_b_red.jpg https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394268/apache_solr_c_red.jpg Following the rules strictly points to option #1, but I think option #2 may better reflect the original intent of the community poll. Personally, I am happy with any of these options (and logos); I just want to make sure we have a process that everyone feels is/was fair. ryan -- --Noble Paul
Re: logo contest
: 1. Have solr committers vote to accept: : https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png The process as outlined on the wiki was that the commiters should have a ranked prefrence vote, after considering the point totals from the first vote. (with the added caveat that a -1 veto needs to be allowed since it's a vote to commit a change to the project) Considering the community prefrences expressed, I suggest that the committers hold a vote of the high scoring entries. Picking a score of 10 as the cut off, that would give us 10 entries to vote on https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394266/apache_solr_b_red.jpg https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394264/apache_solr_a_red.jpg https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394268/apache_solr_c_red.jpg https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394165/solr-logo.png https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394376/solr_sp.png https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394267/apache_solr_c_blue.jpg https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394475/solr2_maho-vote.png https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394350/solr.s4.jpg https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394218/solr-solid.png (given the distribution of scores, 10 just seems like a natural cutoff) -Hoss
Re: logo contest
The methodology will very likely determine the outcome here, with https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394268/apache_solr_c_red.jpg Being the likely two candidates for winning. My guess is that narrowing to the two most popular options first would make #2 the winner, while voting on the top 10 (w/o any strategy for winning) would make #1 the winner. fun, fun. So people who want one of these options to win should vote only for that option, really. -Yonik the two most popular would make the second option win, while expanding it would make fir On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Chris Hostetter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : 1. Have solr committers vote to accept: : https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png The process as outlined on the wiki was that the commiters should have a ranked prefrence vote, after considering the point totals from the first vote. (with the added caveat that a -1 veto needs to be allowed since it's a vote to commit a change to the project) Considering the community prefrences expressed, I suggest that the committers hold a vote of the high scoring entries. Picking a score of 10 as the cut off, that would give us 10 entries to vote on https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394266/apache_solr_b_red.jpg https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394264/apache_solr_a_red.jpg https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394268/apache_solr_c_red.jpg https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394165/solr-logo.png https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394376/solr_sp.png https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394267/apache_solr_c_blue.jpg https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394475/solr2_maho-vote.png https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394350/solr.s4.jpg https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394218/solr-solid.png (given the distribution of scores, 10 just seems like a natural cutoff) -Hoss
Re: logo contest
On Dec 4, 2008, at 1:16 PM, Chris Hostetter wrote: : 1. Have solr committers vote to accept: : https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png The process as outlined on the wiki was that the commiters should have a ranked prefrence vote, after considering the point totals from the first vote. (with the added caveat that a -1 veto needs to be allowed since it's a vote to commit a change to the project) Considering the community prefrences expressed, I suggest that the committers hold a vote of the high scoring entries. Picking a score of 10 as the cut off, that would give us 10 entries to vote on right, but what should be the role of committers voting in the second round? Is it: 1. Rank the entries the committers like best or 2. Rank the entries the committers think best represent the community preferences. My understanding of the purpose of the second round is to interpret the results of the community poll and cast a binding VOTE. I think we should either have committers vote on the community intent is or re- run the poll with the full community, since deciphering the #2 choice is unclear. As yonik said fun fun fun ryan
Re: logo contest
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Yonik Seeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The methodology will very likely determine the outcome here, with https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394070/sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394268/apache_solr_c_red.jpg Being the likely two candidates for winning. My guess is that narrowing to the two most popular options first would make #2 the winner, while voting on the top 10 (w/o any strategy for winning) would make #1 the winner. +1. All apache_solr_c_red.jpg flavoured logos have a total score of 94. That should be taken into account IMHO and we should reduce the number of choices for these ones. -- Guillaume
Re: logo contest
: All apache_solr_c_red.jpg flavoured logos have a total score of 94. : That should be taken into account IMHO and we should reduce the number : of choices for these ones. To re-iterate a comment I made in SOLR-84 that wouldn't be fair to the people who have been submitting ideas and then retracting them and resubmitting variations based on feedback. People were told many, MANY, times throughout the process that submiting multiple variant entries would risk diluting the votes. One of the purposes of the long period for submissions was to give people time to post ideas, get feedback, and then tweak submissions and people who did that shouldn't be excluded from the final vote for following the rules. (sslogo-solr-finder2.0.png is a prime example of this) -Hoss
Re: logo contest
: Being the likely two candidates for winning. My guess is that : narrowing to the two most popular options first would make #2 the : winner, while voting on the top 10 (w/o any strategy for winning) : would make #1 the winner. limiting to only voting for the top 2 seems unrepresentative since more then one apache_solr_c_red.jpg variant tied for 2nd. : fun, fun. So people who want one of these options to win should vote : only for that option, really. Perhaps instead of just ranking top 5, we should ask committers to rank all of the choices on the final ballot to eliminate the strategy factor you are refering to ... i think we can trust all committers to understand this, but if someone botches it (or refuses?) we'll just shift the number of points each item earns down by the appropraite number (so if you want your 1st rank to earn 10 points, you must list all 10, if you only list 4 then your top ranked item only earns 4 points) that won't violate anything in the rules as orriginally spelled out, and should help take into account the variant score dilution. (even though i don't think we should be overly accomidating this seems fair) -Hoss
Re: logo contest
: right, but what should be the role of committers voting in the second round? : Is it: : : 1. Rank the entries the committers like best : or : 2. Rank the entries the committers think best represent the community : preferences. : : My understanding of the purpose of the second round is to interpret the : results of the community poll and cast a binding VOTE. I think we should committers should cast their votes as they feel appropriate to best serve the interests of the community -- it's not really different then voting on an implementation approach for a feature, or what logging framework to use, or a decisison to switch from java 1.5 to 1.6 ... we have to make a subjective decision based on the feedback we've observed from the community as a whole (with solr-logo-results.html serving as our cliff notes) -Hoss
Re: logo contest
: Hoss may lay down the rules on us, but if he doesn't (or if hes in a good mood For the record: i'm (almost) always i na good mood -- it's just hard to tell because i spell like an angry unibomber wanna-be and i have a moral objection to using emoticons so my email based sarcasim is very, very, dry. -Hoss
Re: logo contest
On 4-Dec-08, at 2:33 PM, Chris Hostetter wrote: : Being the likely two candidates for winning. My guess is that : narrowing to the two most popular options first would make #2 the : winner, while voting on the top 10 (w/o any strategy for winning) : would make #1 the winner. limiting to only voting for the top 2 seems unrepresentative since more then one apache_solr_c_red.jpg variant tied for 2nd. : fun, fun. So people who want one of these options to win should vote : only for that option, really. Perhaps instead of just ranking top 5, we should ask committers to rank all of the choices on the final ballot to eliminate the strategy factor you are refering to ... i think we can trust all committers to understand this, but if someone botches it (or refuses?) we'll just shift the number of points each item earns down by the appropraite number (so if you want your 1st rank to earn 10 points, you must list all 10, if you only list 4 then your top ranked item only earns 4 points) Eliminating strategic voting merely biases the outcome toward the logo without the vote splitting problem. That is no solution. It is better to allow strategic voting, as that is the only way for voters to express certain preferences in this system. I would personally prefer more of an elimination-style vote (i.e., STV). Each voter lists the logos they prefer, in order. The logos are ranked by first place votes. The last in the rank is eliminated from the contest, and anyone who had that logo as their first-place vote has their vote transferred to the next logo on the list, if any. Iterate until two logos remain. There is no danger of vote-splitting and the outcome maximizes global welfare in terms of binary preferences (well, probably not, due to Arrow's theorem, but it does a good job regardless). -Mike
