Re: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation
Dear Craig, I am working on resin-2.1.9 (java page container from caucho), It's supports servlets 2.3 version, can i use JSF for this container, Regards, Viru - Original Message - From: Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 5:16 PM Subject: RE: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation hi jan, perhaps you must change the sturcuture of build.xml in my case: i copied jsf-1.0 beta in to $jwsdp.home and copied some specified lib into $jwsdp.home too. e.g. jsp-api, servlet-api of course i copied jsf-libs and jstl-libs to WEB-INF/lib of example2 now tomcat started them up... and perhaps you must change your user-name/password for tomcat! :-) try this... greetings matthias -Original Message- From: Jan Dirksen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:02 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation Hi Craig, i just want to try the struts-faces examples. but i got compilation-error. is there something i need...? jwsdp-1.3 is on my box. thanks --- Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: I'm pleased to announce that the Proposed Final Draft version of the JavaServer Faces 1.0 Specification, and a corresponding Beta release of the Reference Implementation, is now available at: http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/download.html Please send any feedback and comments strictly about JavaServer Faces to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I'm also finishing up an update to the Struts-Faces Integration Library, and will be making it available (via nightly builds) very soon. Feel free to ask any questions about how to use Struts and JavaServer Faces here on the STRUTS-USER list. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation
Viru, i think if your container is supporting servelt2.3 then it is a j2ee-1.3-compliant-(web)container so you can see in JSF-FAQ the needs for a j2ee-1.3-web-container deployment-guide: http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/docs/Deployment_Guide.html after this car-demo or else should run. for tomcat 4.1.X in my case was successfully! (servlet/jsp: 2.3/1.2) jsf-demos are deliverd for j2ee1.4 (incl. servlet2.4) thinking resin 3.0.4 will serve that ;-) deployment-guide and other nice infos are reffered at jsf-faq: http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/reference/faqs/index.html greetings -Original Message- From: virupaksha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:36 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation Dear Craig, I am working on resin-2.1.9 (java page container from caucho), It's supports servlets 2.3 version, can i use JSF for this container, Regards, Viru - Original Message - From: Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 5:16 PM Subject: RE: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation hi jan, perhaps you must change the sturcuture of build.xml in my case: i copied jsf-1.0 beta in to $jwsdp.home and copied some specified lib into $jwsdp.home too. e.g. jsp-api, servlet-api of course i copied jsf-libs and jstl-libs to WEB-INF/lib of example2 now tomcat started them up... and perhaps you must change your user-name/password for tomcat! :-) try this... greetings matthias -Original Message- From: Jan Dirksen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:02 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation Hi Craig, i just want to try the struts-faces examples. but i got compilation-error. is there something i need...? jwsdp-1.3 is on my box. thanks --- Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: I'm pleased to announce that the Proposed Final Draft version of the JavaServer Faces 1.0 Specification, and a corresponding Beta release of the Reference Implementation, is now available at: http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/download.html Please send any feedback and comments strictly about JavaServer Faces to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I'm also finishing up an update to the Struts-Faces Integration Library, and will be making it available (via nightly builds) very soon. Feel free to ask any questions about how to use Struts and JavaServer Faces here on the STRUTS-USER list. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation
Quoting virupaksha [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dear Craig, I am working on resin-2.1.9 (java page container from caucho), It's supports servlets 2.3 version, can i use JSF for this container, It should indeed be able to run JavaServer Faces I've never tested in that environment, but I know some others have). However, compile errors don't have anything to do with the server -- they have to do with how you are setting up your class path for compilation. The build.xml file used here (in contrib/struts-faces) lets you customize things by: * Copy build.properties.sample to build.properties * Change any paths in build.properties to match your own system's installation paths. Craig Regards, Viru - Original Message - From: Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 5:16 PM Subject: RE: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation hi jan, perhaps you must change the sturcuture of build.xml in my case: i copied jsf-1.0 beta in to $jwsdp.home and copied some specified lib into $jwsdp.home too. e.g. jsp-api, servlet-api of course i copied jsf-libs and jstl-libs to WEB-INF/lib of example2 now tomcat started them up... and perhaps you must change your user-name/password for tomcat! :-) try this... greetings matthias -Original Message- From: Jan Dirksen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:02 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation Hi Craig, i just want to try the struts-faces examples. but i got compilation-error. is there something i need...? jwsdp-1.3 is on my box. thanks --- Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: I'm pleased to announce that the Proposed Final Draft version of the JavaServer Faces 1.0 Specification, and a corresponding Beta release of the Reference Implementation, is now available at: http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/download.html Please send any feedback and comments strictly about JavaServer Faces to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I'm also finishing up an update to the Struts-Faces Integration Library, and will be making it available (via nightly builds) very soon. Feel free to ask any questions about how to use Struts and JavaServer Faces here on the STRUTS-USER list. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation
Hi Craig, i just want to try the struts-faces examples. but i got compilation-error. is there something i need...? jwsdp-1.3 is on my box. thanks --- Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: I'm pleased to announce that the Proposed Final Draft version of the JavaServer Faces 1.0 Specification, and a corresponding Beta release of the Reference Implementation, is now available at: http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/download.html Please send any feedback and comments strictly about JavaServer Faces to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I'm also finishing up an update to the Struts-Faces Integration Library, and will be making it available (via nightly builds) very soon. Feel free to ask any questions about how to use Struts and JavaServer Faces here on the STRUTS-USER list. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation
hi jan, perhaps you must change the sturcuture of build.xml in my case: i copied jsf-1.0 beta in to $jwsdp.home and copied some specified lib into $jwsdp.home too. e.g. jsp-api, servlet-api of course i copied jsf-libs and jstl-libs to WEB-INF/lib of example2 now tomcat started them up... and perhaps you must change your user-name/password for tomcat! :-) try this... greetings matthias -Original Message- From: Jan Dirksen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:02 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation Hi Craig, i just want to try the struts-faces examples. but i got compilation-error. is there something i need...? jwsdp-1.3 is on my box. thanks --- Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: I'm pleased to announce that the Proposed Final Draft version of the JavaServer Faces 1.0 Specification, and a corresponding Beta release of the Reference Implementation, is now available at: http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/download.html Please send any feedback and comments strictly about JavaServer Faces to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I'm also finishing up an update to the Struts-Faces Integration Library, and will be making it available (via nightly builds) very soon. Feel free to ask any questions about how to use Struts and JavaServer Faces here on the STRUTS-USER list. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation
oh good morning... thank you! :-) okay i can deploy it via tomcat-manager but when i start the jsf-cardemo i got this error: org.apache.jasper.JasperException: This absolute uri (http://java.sun.com/jstl/core) cannot be resolved in either web.xml or the jar files deployed with this application very strange. the struts-jsf works, but not core jsf... do anyone know? i am using tomcat version 4.1.27 or must i use tc 5.X for JSF? --- Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: hi jan, perhaps you must change the sturcuture of build.xml in my case: i copied jsf-1.0 beta in to $jwsdp.home and copied some specified lib into $jwsdp.home too. e.g. jsp-api, servlet-api of course i copied jsf-libs and jstl-libs to WEB-INF/lib of example2 now tomcat started them up... and perhaps you must change your user-name/password for tomcat! :-) try this... greetings matthias -Original Message- From: Jan Dirksen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:02 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation Hi Craig, i just want to try the struts-faces examples. but i got compilation-error. is there something i need...? jwsdp-1.3 is on my box. thanks --- Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: I'm pleased to announce that the Proposed Final Draft version of the JavaServer Faces 1.0 Specification, and a corresponding Beta release of the Reference Implementation, is now available at: http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/download.html Please send any feedback and comments strictly about JavaServer Faces to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I'm also finishing up an update to the Struts-Faces Integration Library, and will be making it available (via nightly builds) very soon. Feel free to ask any questions about how to use Struts and JavaServer Faces here on the STRUTS-USER list. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation
Hi again... look at this: http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/docs/Deployment_Guide.html there is a guide where you found infos on j2ee1.3-compilant containers... you have change some libs for the laglibs: you can got them on jakarta taglibs: http://jakarta.apache.org/taglibs/doc/standard-1.0-doc/intro.html you need verison 1.0 of taglibs... now it should work :-) regards, matthias -Original Message- From: Jan Dirksen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:33 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation oh good morning... thank you! :-) okay i can deploy it via tomcat-manager but when i start the jsf-cardemo i got this error: org.apache.jasper.JasperException: This absolute uri (http://java.sun.com/jstl/core) cannot be resolved in either web.xml or the jar files deployed with this application very strange. the struts-jsf works, but not core jsf... do anyone know? i am using tomcat version 4.1.27 or must i use tc 5.X for JSF? --- Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: hi jan, perhaps you must change the sturcuture of build.xml in my case: i copied jsf-1.0 beta in to $jwsdp.home and copied some specified lib into $jwsdp.home too. e.g. jsp-api, servlet-api of course i copied jsf-libs and jstl-libs to WEB-INF/lib of example2 now tomcat started them up... and perhaps you must change your user-name/password for tomcat! :-) try this... greetings matthias -Original Message- From: Jan Dirksen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:02 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation Hi Craig, i just want to try the struts-faces examples. but i got compilation-error. is there something i need...? jwsdp-1.3 is on my box. thanks --- Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: I'm pleased to announce that the Proposed Final Draft version of the JavaServer Faces 1.0 Specification, and a corresponding Beta release of the Reference Implementation, is now available at: http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/download.html Please send any feedback and comments strictly about JavaServer Faces to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I'm also finishing up an update to the Struts-Faces Integration Library, and will be making it available (via nightly builds) very soon. Feel free to ask any questions about how to use Struts and JavaServer Faces here on the STRUTS-USER list. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation
Quoting Jan Dirksen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Craig, i just want to try the struts-faces examples. but i got compilation-error. is there something i need...? jwsdp-1.3 is on my box. Without knowing the details of your error messages, it's pretty difficult to tell exactly what is going on, but most compilation problems are caused by not setting up a build.properties file correctly. The simplest way to do that is to copy build.properties.sample to build.properties and modify the settings as needed. On the other hand, to simply execute the examples, you don't need to compile at all -- just follow the instructions in the README.txt file to add jsf-api.jar and jsf-impl.jar to the web application, and deploy it like any other. (You'll also have to remove the EA release of JavaServer Faces from JWSDP since the current code uses the beta release). thanks Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation
Quoting Jan Dirksen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: oh good morning... thank you! :-) okay i can deploy it via tomcat-manager but when i start the jsf-cardemo i got this error: org.apache.jasper.JasperException: This absolute uri (http://java.sun.com/jstl/core) cannot be resolved in either web.xml or the jar files deployed with this application very strange. the struts-jsf works, but not core jsf... do anyone know? i am using tomcat version 4.1.27 or must i use tc 5.X for JSF? I've had my share of grief with 4.1, and always use 5.0 now. There are some potential workarounds to 4.1 problems listed on the JavaServer Faces release notes and web pages. One thing to note with *any* standalone Tomcat usage is that JavaServer Faces is not built in the way it is with JWSDP, so you'll need to include all the needed JAR files in your /WEB-INF/lib directory. Don't even bother to try to install JavaServer Faces into common/lib on Tomcat 4.1 -- it flat won't work. Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation
Hi Craig, thanks for replay! the workarounds from matthias were helpful!! (he told me the page with that workarounds you mean) But after that, we decided to use Tomcat5 because of JSP2.0. On JSF-Pages i also saw, that future versions of JSF will take better advantage of JSP 2.0 greetings --- Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Quoting Jan Dirksen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: oh good morning... thank you! :-) okay i can deploy it via tomcat-manager but when i start the jsf-cardemo i got this error: org.apache.jasper.JasperException: This absolute uri (http://java.sun.com/jstl/core) cannot be resolved in either web.xml or the jar files deployed with this application very strange. the struts-jsf works, but not core jsf... do anyone know? i am using tomcat version 4.1.27 or must i use tc 5.X for JSF? I've had my share of grief with 4.1, and always use 5.0 now. There are some potential workarounds to 4.1 problems listed on the JavaServer Faces release notes and web pages. One thing to note with *any* standalone Tomcat usage is that JavaServer Faces is not built in the way it is with JWSDP, so you'll need to include all the needed JAR files in your /WEB-INF/lib directory. Don't even bother to try to install JavaServer Faces into common/lib on Tomcat 4.1 -- it flat won't work. Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
R: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation
Will Javaserver Faces and in particular Struts-Faces have a editable data grid component (as I think I've read somewhere)? That would be a very strong motivation to undertake the adoption of the new library. Thanks in advance, Fabio. -Messaggio originale- Da: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Inviato: sabato 20 dicembre 2003 05:17 A: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oggetto: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation I'm pleased to announce that the Proposed Final Draft version of the JavaServer Faces 1.0 Specification, and a corresponding Beta release of the Reference Implementation, is now available at: http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/download.html Please send any feedback and comments strictly about JavaServer Faces to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I'm also finishing up an update to the Struts-Faces Integration Library, and will be making it available (via nightly builds) very soon. Feel free to ask any questions about how to use Struts and JavaServer Faces here on the STRUTS-USER list. Craig McClanahan Ai sensi della Legge 675/96, si precisa che le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio sono riservate ed a uso esclusivo del destinatario. Qualora il messaggio in parola Le fosse pervenuto per errore, la preghiamo di eliminarlo senza copiarlo e di non inoltrarlo a terzi, dandocene gentilmente comunicazione. Grazie.BRBRThis message, for the law 675/96 may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation.
Re: R: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation
Quoting Grassi Fabio [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Will Javaserver Faces and in particular Struts-Faces have a editable data grid component (as I think I've read somewhere)? That would be a very strong motivation to undertake the adoption of the new library. Yes, it's there ... see the UIData component and the h:data_table tag. The revised version of the Struts Example app included in the struts-faces bundle will use this tag instead of constructing its table with an interation tag. Craig Thanks in advance, Fabio. -Messaggio originale- Da: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Inviato: sabato 20 dicembre 2003 05:17 A: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oggetto: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation I'm pleased to announce that the Proposed Final Draft version of the JavaServer Faces 1.0 Specification, and a corresponding Beta release of the Reference Implementation, is now available at: http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/download.html Please send any feedback and comments strictly about JavaServer Faces to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I'm also finishing up an update to the Struts-Faces Integration Library, and will be making it available (via nightly builds) very soon. Feel free to ask any questions about how to use Struts and JavaServer Faces here on the STRUTS-USER list. Craig McClanahan Ai sensi della Legge 675/96, si precisa che le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio sono riservate ed a uso esclusivo del destinatario. Qualora il messaggio in parola Le fosse pervenuto per errore, la preghiamo di eliminarlo senza copiarlo e di non inoltrarlo a terzi, dandocene gentilmente comunicazione. Grazie.BRBRThis message, for the law 675/96 may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: R: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation
On Monday 22 December 2003 05:56 pm, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: Quoting Grassi Fabio [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Will Javaserver Faces and in particular Struts-Faces have a editable data grid component (as I think I've read somewhere)? That would be a very strong motivation to undertake the adoption of the new library. Yes, it's there ... see the UIData component and the h:data_table tag. The revised version of the Struts Example app included in the struts-faces bundle will use this tag instead of constructing its table with an interation tag. Hello Craig Where is new struts-faces ? regards Haris Peco - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: R: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation
Quoting snpe [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Monday 22 December 2003 05:56 pm, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: Quoting Grassi Fabio [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Will Javaserver Faces and in particular Struts-Faces have a editable data grid component (as I think I've read somewhere)? That would be a very strong motivation to undertake the adoption of the new library. Yes, it's there ... see the UIData component and the h:data_table tag. The revised version of the Struts Example app included in the struts-faces bundle will use this tag instead of constructing its table with an interation tag. Hello Craig Where is new struts-faces ? Still on my hard drive ... at the moment it goes into an endless loop at one particular point in the example app :-(, and I'm not sure whether that's config problems or bugs yet. I'll commit it (and start creating nightly builds based on it) this week. regards Haris Peco Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: R: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation
On Monday 22 December 2003 07:04 pm, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: Quoting snpe [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Monday 22 December 2003 05:56 pm, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: Quoting Grassi Fabio [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Will Javaserver Faces and in particular Struts-Faces have a editable data grid component (as I think I've read somewhere)? That would be a very strong motivation to undertake the adoption of the new library. Yes, it's there ... see the UIData component and the h:data_table tag. The revised version of the Struts Example app included in the struts-faces bundle will use this tag instead of constructing its table with an interation tag. Hello Craig Where is new struts-faces ? Still on my hard drive ... at the moment it goes into an endless loop at one particular point in the example app :-(, and I'm not sure whether that's config problems or bugs yet. I'll commit it (and start creating nightly builds based on it) this week. is it jakarta-struts module or special struts-faces module in cvs ? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: R: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation
Quoting snpe [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Monday 22 December 2003 07:04 pm, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: Quoting snpe [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Monday 22 December 2003 05:56 pm, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: Quoting Grassi Fabio [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Will Javaserver Faces and in particular Struts-Faces have a editable data grid component (as I think I've read somewhere)? That would be a very strong motivation to undertake the adoption of the new library. Yes, it's there ... see the UIData component and the h:data_table tag. The revised version of the Struts Example app included in the struts-faces bundle will use this tag instead of constructing its table with an interation tag. Hello Craig Where is new struts-faces ? Still on my hard drive ... at the moment it goes into an endless loop at one particular point in the example app :-(, and I'm not sure whether that's config problems or bugs yet. I'll commit it (and start creating nightly builds based on it) this week. is it jakarta-struts module or special struts-faces module in cvs ? The old code is (and the new code will be) in the jakarta-struts CVS module, in directory contrib/struts-faces. Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
R: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation
This is good news indeed! Is there already a possible release date for Struts 1.2? TIA, Fabio. -Messaggio originale- Da: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Inviato: sabato 20 dicembre 2003 05:17 A: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oggetto: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation I'm pleased to announce that the Proposed Final Draft version of the JavaServer Faces 1.0 Specification, and a corresponding Beta release of the Reference Implementation, is now available at: http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/download.html Please send any feedback and comments strictly about JavaServer Faces to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I'm also finishing up an update to the Struts-Faces Integration Library, and will be making it available (via nightly builds) very soon. Feel free to ask any questions about how to use Struts and JavaServer Faces here on the STRUTS-USER list. Craig McClanahan Ai sensi della Legge 675/96, si precisa che le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio sono riservate ed a uso esclusivo del destinatario. Qualora il messaggio in parola Le fosse pervenuto per errore, la preghiamo di eliminarlo senza copiarlo e di non inoltrarlo a terzi, dandocene gentilmente comunicazione. Grazie.BRBRThis message, for the law 675/96 may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation.
Re: JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation
Graig, regarding the struts-faces integration library, would it support tiles? On 金, 2003-12-19 at 20:16, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: I'm pleased to announce that the Proposed Final Draft version of the JavaServer Faces 1.0 Specification, and a corresponding Beta release of the Reference Implementation, is now available at: http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/download.html Please send any feedback and comments strictly about JavaServer Faces to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I'm also finishing up an update to the Struts-Faces Integration Library, and will be making it available (via nightly builds) very soon. Feel free to ask any questions about how to use Struts and JavaServer Faces here on the STRUTS-USER list. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Quoting Nadeem Bitar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Graig, regarding the struts-faces integration library, would it support tiles? That's the part I'm not quite done wth, but it's definitely the intent. Craig On 金, 2003-12-19 at 20:16, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: I'm pleased to announce that the Proposed Final Draft version of the JavaServer Faces 1.0 Specification, and a corresponding Beta release of the Reference Implementation, is now available at: http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/download.html Please send any feedback and comments strictly about JavaServer Faces to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I'm also finishing up an update to the Struts-Faces Integration Library, and will be making it available (via nightly builds) very soon. Feel free to ask any questions about how to use Struts and JavaServer Faces here on the STRUTS-USER list. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JavaServer Faces 1.0 -- Proposed Final Draft Spec and Beta Reference Implementation
I'm pleased to announce that the Proposed Final Draft version of the JavaServer Faces 1.0 Specification, and a corresponding Beta release of the Reference Implementation, is now available at: http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/download.html Please send any feedback and comments strictly about JavaServer Faces to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I'm also finishing up an update to the Struts-Faces Integration Library, and will be making it available (via nightly builds) very soon. Feel free to ask any questions about how to use Struts and JavaServer Faces here on the STRUTS-USER list. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5
dear all, I went to http://www.theserverside.com/events/library.jsp#mcclanahan and clicked DSL to watch the video, but no video there, only one picture. Did you find the video? Could you please tell me how to find watch it? Thanks - Original Message - From: Steve Raeburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 11:27 PM Subject: RE: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5 Craig's just being modest. He's *already* an Internet TV star :-) http://www.theserverside.com/events/library.jsp#mcclanahan Steve -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 22, 2003 10:58 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Cc: 'Ruth, Brice' Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5 Van Riper, Mike wrote: -Original Message- From: Ruth, Brice [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:31 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5 Any chance that someone could setup a DV camera, record the presentation, then post it somewhere as a small Quicktime movie? That would be excellent, too. I found a volunteer to record Craig's talk with a DV camera as you suggested. Assuming Craig gives us his permission to record the talk, we'll do that and make it available online afterwards. Oh my! I'm going to be on Internet TV! My parents will be *so* proud!!! :-) Yes, you definitely have my permission to record and broadcast this talk. Considering that this is the #1 question I have been asked by people over the last year or so, it will be very nice to be able to point them at a link that gives a comprehensive answer. FYI, Van Craig Van Riper, Mike wrote: -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:20 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/ 5 Ruth, Brice wrote: Any chance of getting a webcast setup for this? For those of us not fortunate enough to be local to the 'Valley? :) You'll have to ask Van about broadcast facilities :-), I'll look into this, but, it will most likely not be happening. At my day job, I am on the critical path for completing and shipping a new product right now. So, it is not going to happen unless they have the facilities required for this at Netscape *and* I can find a volunteer with more free time than myself to set it up. Sorry, Van but I do plan to make my slides available after the talk. Craig Van Riper, Mike wrote: The next meeting of the Silicon Valley Struts User BOF will be held at Netscape in Mountain View on Wednesday, November 5th. Craig McClanahan, a senior staff engineer for Sun Microsystems, will make a presentation on this topic: Struts and JavaServer Faces -- Competition or Coexistence? Craig is uniquely qualified to give this talk, because he is both the original creator of the Struts Framework and co-specification lead for JavaServer Faces (JSR-127). You will find the full announcement including directions to Netscape here: http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/20031105a/ (Please note the change of venue from VeriSign to Netscape for November) This meeting is being co-hosted by the Silicon Valley Java User Group (SVJUG) and the Java SIG of the East Bay I.T. Group (eBIG). Special thanks goes to SVJUG President Venki Seshaadri for arranging the meeting space at Netscape. SVJUG http://www.svjug.org/ eBIG http://www.ebig.org/sig/sig.aspx?SIGid=21 That's all folks, Van Mike Van Riper mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5
You have to click a question on the right side to see his answer... Am Mittwoch, 26.11.03 um 03:12 Uhr schrieb ZYD: dear all, I went to http://www.theserverside.com/events/library.jsp#mcclanahan and clicked DSL to watch the video, but no video there, only one picture. Did you find the video? Could you please tell me how to find watch it? Thanks - Original Message - From: Steve Raeburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 11:27 PM Subject: RE: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5 Craig's just being modest. He's *already* an Internet TV star :-) http://www.theserverside.com/events/library.jsp#mcclanahan Steve -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 22, 2003 10:58 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Cc: 'Ruth, Brice' Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5 Van Riper, Mike wrote: -Original Message- From: Ruth, Brice [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:31 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5 Any chance that someone could setup a DV camera, record the presentation, then post it somewhere as a small Quicktime movie? That would be excellent, too. I found a volunteer to record Craig's talk with a DV camera as you suggested. Assuming Craig gives us his permission to record the talk, we'll do that and make it available online afterwards. Oh my! I'm going to be on Internet TV! My parents will be *so* proud!!! :-) Yes, you definitely have my permission to record and broadcast this talk. Considering that this is the #1 question I have been asked by people over the last year or so, it will be very nice to be able to point them at a link that gives a comprehensive answer. FYI, Van Craig Van Riper, Mike wrote: -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:20 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/ 5 Ruth, Brice wrote: Any chance of getting a webcast setup for this? For those of us not fortunate enough to be local to the 'Valley? :) You'll have to ask Van about broadcast facilities :-), I'll look into this, but, it will most likely not be happening. At my day job, I am on the critical path for completing and shipping a new product right now. So, it is not going to happen unless they have the facilities required for this at Netscape *and* I can find a volunteer with more free time than myself to set it up. Sorry, Van but I do plan to make my slides available after the talk. Craig Van Riper, Mike wrote: The next meeting of the Silicon Valley Struts User BOF will be held at Netscape in Mountain View on Wednesday, November 5th. Craig McClanahan, a senior staff engineer for Sun Microsystems, will make a presentation on this topic: Struts and JavaServer Faces -- Competition or Coexistence? Craig is uniquely qualified to give this talk, because he is both the original creator of the Struts Framework and co-specification lead for JavaServer Faces (JSR-127). You will find the full announcement including directions to Netscape here: http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/20031105a/ (Please note the change of venue from VeriSign to Netscape for November) This meeting is being co-hosted by the Silicon Valley Java User Group (SVJUG) and the Java SIG of the East Bay I.T. Group (eBIG). Special thanks goes to SVJUG President Venki Seshaadri for arranging the meeting space at Netscape. SVJUG http://www.svjug.org/ eBIG http://www.ebig.org/sig/sig.aspx?SIGid=21 That's all folks, Van Mike Van Riper mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Brice D. Ruth Sr. IT Analyst Fiskars Brands, Inc. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5
Thanks Georg! - Original Message - From: Georg M. Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5 You have to click a question on the right side to see his answer... Am Mittwoch, 26.11.03 um 03:12 Uhr schrieb ZYD: dear all, I went to http://www.theserverside.com/events/library.jsp#mcclanahan and clicked DSL to watch the video, but no video there, only one picture. Did you find the video? Could you please tell me how to find watch it? Thanks - Original Message - From: Steve Raeburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 11:27 PM Subject: RE: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5 Craig's just being modest. He's *already* an Internet TV star :-) http://www.theserverside.com/events/library.jsp#mcclanahan Steve -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 22, 2003 10:58 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Cc: 'Ruth, Brice' Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5 Van Riper, Mike wrote: -Original Message- From: Ruth, Brice [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:31 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5 Any chance that someone could setup a DV camera, record the presentation, then post it somewhere as a small Quicktime movie? That would be excellent, too. I found a volunteer to record Craig's talk with a DV camera as you suggested. Assuming Craig gives us his permission to record the talk, we'll do that and make it available online afterwards. Oh my! I'm going to be on Internet TV! My parents will be *so* proud!!! :-) Yes, you definitely have my permission to record and broadcast this talk. Considering that this is the #1 question I have been asked by people over the last year or so, it will be very nice to be able to point them at a link that gives a comprehensive answer. FYI, Van Craig Van Riper, Mike wrote: -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:20 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/ 5 Ruth, Brice wrote: Any chance of getting a webcast setup for this? For those of us not fortunate enough to be local to the 'Valley? :) You'll have to ask Van about broadcast facilities :-), I'll look into this, but, it will most likely not be happening. At my day job, I am on the critical path for completing and shipping a new product right now. So, it is not going to happen unless they have the facilities required for this at Netscape *and* I can find a volunteer with more free time than myself to set it up. Sorry, Van but I do plan to make my slides available after the talk. Craig Van Riper, Mike wrote: The next meeting of the Silicon Valley Struts User BOF will be held at Netscape in Mountain View on Wednesday, November 5th. Craig McClanahan, a senior staff engineer for Sun Microsystems, will make a presentation on this topic: Struts and JavaServer Faces -- Competition or Coexistence? Craig is uniquely qualified to give this talk, because he is both the original creator of the Struts Framework and co-specification lead for JavaServer Faces (JSR-127). You will find the full announcement including directions to Netscape here: http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/20031105a/ (Please note the change of venue from VeriSign to Netscape for November) This meeting is being co-hosted by the Silicon Valley Java User Group (SVJUG) and the Java SIG of the East Bay I.T. Group (eBIG). Special thanks goes to SVJUG President Venki Seshaadri for arranging the meeting space at Netscape. SVJUG http://www.svjug.org/ eBIG http://www.ebig.org/sig/sig.aspx?SIGid=21 That's all folks, Van Mike Van Riper mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail
RE: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5
Yay! I get to see craig!! Yeehaw! -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:58 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Cc: 'Ruth, Brice' Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5 Van Riper, Mike wrote: -Original Message- From: Ruth, Brice [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:31 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5 Any chance that someone could setup a DV camera, record the presentation, then post it somewhere as a small Quicktime movie? That would be excellent, too. I found a volunteer to record Craig's talk with a DV camera as you suggested. Assuming Craig gives us his permission to record the talk, we'll do that and make it available online afterwards. Oh my! I'm going to be on Internet TV! My parents will be *so* proud!!! :-) Yes, you definitely have my permission to record and broadcast this talk. Considering that this is the #1 question I have been asked by people over the last year or so, it will be very nice to be able to point them at a link that gives a comprehensive answer. FYI, Van Craig Van Riper, Mike wrote: -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:20 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/ 5 Ruth, Brice wrote: Any chance of getting a webcast setup for this? For those of us not fortunate enough to be local to the 'Valley? :) You'll have to ask Van about broadcast facilities :-), I'll look into this, but, it will most likely not be happening. At my day job, I am on the critical path for completing and shipping a new product right now. So, it is not going to happen unless they have the facilities required for this at Netscape *and* I can find a volunteer with more free time than myself to set it up. Sorry, Van but I do plan to make my slides available after the talk. Craig Van Riper, Mike wrote: The next meeting of the Silicon Valley Struts User BOF will be held at Netscape in Mountain View on Wednesday, November 5th. Craig McClanahan, a senior staff engineer for Sun Microsystems, will make a presentation on this topic: Struts and JavaServer Faces -- Competition or Coexistence? Craig is uniquely qualified to give this talk, because he is both the original creator of the Struts Framework and co-specification lead for JavaServer Faces (JSR-127). You will find the full announcement including directions to Netscape here: http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/20031105a/ (Please note the change of venue from VeriSign to Netscape for November) This meeting is being co-hosted by the Silicon Valley Java User Group (SVJUG) and the Java SIG of the East Bay I.T. Group (eBIG). Special thanks goes to SVJUG President Venki Seshaadri for arranging the meeting space at Netscape. SVJUG http://www.svjug.org/ eBIG http://www.ebig.org/sig/sig.aspx?SIGid=21 That's all folks, Van Mike Van Riper mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Brice D. Ruth Sr. IT Analyst Fiskars Brands, Inc. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5
But this is bound to shatter my illusions - I imagine Craig to look a bit like Spock, but I'm sure he doesn't in real life. ;) On 10/23/2003 08:11 AM Rajat Pandit wrote: Yay! I get to see craig!! Yeehaw! -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:58 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Cc: 'Ruth, Brice' Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5 Van Riper, Mike wrote: -Original Message- From: Ruth, Brice [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:31 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5 Any chance that someone could setup a DV camera, record the presentation, then post it somewhere as a small Quicktime movie? That would be excellent, too. I found a volunteer to record Craig's talk with a DV camera as you suggested. Assuming Craig gives us his permission to record the talk, we'll do that and make it available online afterwards. Oh my! I'm going to be on Internet TV! My parents will be *so* proud!!! :-) Yes, you definitely have my permission to record and broadcast this talk. Considering that this is the #1 question I have been asked by people over the last year or so, it will be very nice to be able to point them at a link that gives a comprehensive answer. FYI, Van Craig Van Riper, Mike wrote: -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:20 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/ 5 Ruth, Brice wrote: Any chance of getting a webcast setup for this? For those of us not fortunate enough to be local to the 'Valley? :) You'll have to ask Van about broadcast facilities :-), I'll look into this, but, it will most likely not be happening. At my day job, I am on the critical path for completing and shipping a new product right now. So, it is not going to happen unless they have the facilities required for this at Netscape *and* I can find a volunteer with more free time than myself to set it up. Sorry, Van but I do plan to make my slides available after the talk. Craig Van Riper, Mike wrote: The next meeting of the Silicon Valley Struts User BOF will be held at Netscape in Mountain View on Wednesday, November 5th. Craig McClanahan, a senior staff engineer for Sun Microsystems, will make a presentation on this topic: Struts and JavaServer Faces -- Competition or Coexistence? Craig is uniquely qualified to give this talk, because he is both the original creator of the Struts Framework and co-specification lead for JavaServer Faces (JSR-127). You will find the full announcement including directions to Netscape here: http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/20031105a/ (Please note the change of venue from VeriSign to Netscape for November) This meeting is being co-hosted by the Silicon Valley Java User Group (SVJUG) and the Java SIG of the East Bay I.T. Group (eBIG). Special thanks goes to SVJUG President Venki Seshaadri for arranging the meeting space at Netscape. SVJUG http://www.svjug.org/ eBIG http://www.ebig.org/sig/sig.aspx?SIGid=21 That's all folks, Van Mike Van Riper mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/ -- struts 1.1 + tomcat 5.0.12 + java 1.4.2 Linux 2.4.20 RH9 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5
Craig's just being modest. He's *already* an Internet TV star :-) http://www.theserverside.com/events/library.jsp#mcclanahan Steve -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 22, 2003 10:58 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Cc: 'Ruth, Brice' Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5 Van Riper, Mike wrote: -Original Message- From: Ruth, Brice [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:31 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5 Any chance that someone could setup a DV camera, record the presentation, then post it somewhere as a small Quicktime movie? That would be excellent, too. I found a volunteer to record Craig's talk with a DV camera as you suggested. Assuming Craig gives us his permission to record the talk, we'll do that and make it available online afterwards. Oh my! I'm going to be on Internet TV! My parents will be *so* proud!!! :-) Yes, you definitely have my permission to record and broadcast this talk. Considering that this is the #1 question I have been asked by people over the last year or so, it will be very nice to be able to point them at a link that gives a comprehensive answer. FYI, Van Craig Van Riper, Mike wrote: -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:20 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/ 5 Ruth, Brice wrote: Any chance of getting a webcast setup for this? For those of us not fortunate enough to be local to the 'Valley? :) You'll have to ask Van about broadcast facilities :-), I'll look into this, but, it will most likely not be happening. At my day job, I am on the critical path for completing and shipping a new product right now. So, it is not going to happen unless they have the facilities required for this at Netscape *and* I can find a volunteer with more free time than myself to set it up. Sorry, Van but I do plan to make my slides available after the talk. Craig Van Riper, Mike wrote: The next meeting of the Silicon Valley Struts User BOF will be held at Netscape in Mountain View on Wednesday, November 5th. Craig McClanahan, a senior staff engineer for Sun Microsystems, will make a presentation on this topic: Struts and JavaServer Faces -- Competition or Coexistence? Craig is uniquely qualified to give this talk, because he is both the original creator of the Struts Framework and co-specification lead for JavaServer Faces (JSR-127). You will find the full announcement including directions to Netscape here: http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/20031105a/ (Please note the change of venue from VeriSign to Netscape for November) This meeting is being co-hosted by the Silicon Valley Java User Group (SVJUG) and the Java SIG of the East Bay I.T. Group (eBIG). Special thanks goes to SVJUG President Venki Seshaadri for arranging the meeting space at Netscape. SVJUG http://www.svjug.org/ eBIG http://www.ebig.org/sig/sig.aspx?SIGid=21 That's all folks, Van Mike Van Riper mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Brice D. Ruth Sr. IT Analyst Fiskars Brands, Inc. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/ 5
-Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:20 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/ 5 Ruth, Brice wrote: Any chance of getting a webcast setup for this? For those of us not fortunate enough to be local to the 'Valley? :) You'll have to ask Van about broadcast facilities :-), I'll look into this, but, it will most likely not be happening. At my day job, I am on the critical path for completing and shipping a new product right now. So, it is not going to happen unless they have the facilities required for this at Netscape *and* I can find a volunteer with more free time than myself to set it up. Sorry, Van but I do plan to make my slides available after the talk. Craig Van Riper, Mike wrote: The next meeting of the Silicon Valley Struts User BOF will be held at Netscape in Mountain View on Wednesday, November 5th. Craig McClanahan, a senior staff engineer for Sun Microsystems, will make a presentation on this topic: Struts and JavaServer Faces -- Competition or Coexistence? Craig is uniquely qualified to give this talk, because he is both the original creator of the Struts Framework and co-specification lead for JavaServer Faces (JSR-127). You will find the full announcement including directions to Netscape here: http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/20031105a/ (Please note the change of venue from VeriSign to Netscape for November) This meeting is being co-hosted by the Silicon Valley Java User Group (SVJUG) and the Java SIG of the East Bay I.T. Group (eBIG). Special thanks goes to SVJUG President Venki Seshaadri for arranging the meeting space at Netscape. SVJUG http://www.svjug.org/ eBIG http://www.ebig.org/sig/sig.aspx?SIGid=21 That's all folks, Van Mike Van Riper mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/ 5
Any chance that someone could setup a DV camera, record the presentation, then post it somewhere as a small Quicktime movie? That would be excellent, too. Van Riper, Mike wrote: -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:20 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/ 5 Ruth, Brice wrote: Any chance of getting a webcast setup for this? For those of us not fortunate enough to be local to the 'Valley? :) You'll have to ask Van about broadcast facilities :-), I'll look into this, but, it will most likely not be happening. At my day job, I am on the critical path for completing and shipping a new product right now. So, it is not going to happen unless they have the facilities required for this at Netscape *and* I can find a volunteer with more free time than myself to set it up. Sorry, Van but I do plan to make my slides available after the talk. Craig Van Riper, Mike wrote: The next meeting of the Silicon Valley Struts User BOF will be held at Netscape in Mountain View on Wednesday, November 5th. Craig McClanahan, a senior staff engineer for Sun Microsystems, will make a presentation on this topic: Struts and JavaServer Faces -- Competition or Coexistence? Craig is uniquely qualified to give this talk, because he is both the original creator of the Struts Framework and co-specification lead for JavaServer Faces (JSR-127). You will find the full announcement including directions to Netscape here: http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/20031105a/ (Please note the change of venue from VeriSign to Netscape for November) This meeting is being co-hosted by the Silicon Valley Java User Group (SVJUG) and the Java SIG of the East Bay I.T. Group (eBIG). Special thanks goes to SVJUG President Venki Seshaadri for arranging the meeting space at Netscape. SVJUG http://www.svjug.org/ eBIG http://www.ebig.org/sig/sig.aspx?SIGid=21 That's all folks, Van Mike Van Riper mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Brice D. Ruth Sr. IT Analyst Fiskars Brands, Inc. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5
-Original Message- From: Ruth, Brice [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:31 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5 Any chance that someone could setup a DV camera, record the presentation, then post it somewhere as a small Quicktime movie? That would be excellent, too. I found a volunteer to record Craig's talk with a DV camera as you suggested. Assuming Craig gives us his permission to record the talk, we'll do that and make it available online afterwards. FYI, Van Van Riper, Mike wrote: -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:20 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/ 5 Ruth, Brice wrote: Any chance of getting a webcast setup for this? For those of us not fortunate enough to be local to the 'Valley? :) You'll have to ask Van about broadcast facilities :-), I'll look into this, but, it will most likely not be happening. At my day job, I am on the critical path for completing and shipping a new product right now. So, it is not going to happen unless they have the facilities required for this at Netscape *and* I can find a volunteer with more free time than myself to set it up. Sorry, Van but I do plan to make my slides available after the talk. Craig Van Riper, Mike wrote: The next meeting of the Silicon Valley Struts User BOF will be held at Netscape in Mountain View on Wednesday, November 5th. Craig McClanahan, a senior staff engineer for Sun Microsystems, will make a presentation on this topic: Struts and JavaServer Faces -- Competition or Coexistence? Craig is uniquely qualified to give this talk, because he is both the original creator of the Struts Framework and co-specification lead for JavaServer Faces (JSR-127). You will find the full announcement including directions to Netscape here: http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/20031105a/ (Please note the change of venue from VeriSign to Netscape for November) This meeting is being co-hosted by the Silicon Valley Java User Group (SVJUG) and the Java SIG of the East Bay I.T. Group (eBIG). Special thanks goes to SVJUG President Venki Seshaadri for arranging the meeting space at Netscape. SVJUG http://www.svjug.org/ eBIG http://www.ebig.org/sig/sig.aspx?SIGid=21 That's all folks, Van Mike Van Riper mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Brice D. Ruth Sr. IT Analyst Fiskars Brands, Inc. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5
Van Riper, Mike wrote: -Original Message- From: Ruth, Brice [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:31 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/5 Any chance that someone could setup a DV camera, record the presentation, then post it somewhere as a small Quicktime movie? That would be excellent, too. I found a volunteer to record Craig's talk with a DV camera as you suggested. Assuming Craig gives us his permission to record the talk, we'll do that and make it available online afterwards. Oh my! I'm going to be on Internet TV! My parents will be *so* proud!!! :-) Yes, you definitely have my permission to record and broadcast this talk. Considering that this is the #1 question I have been asked by people over the last year or so, it will be very nice to be able to point them at a link that gives a comprehensive answer. FYI, Van Craig Van Riper, Mike wrote: -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:20 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/ 5 Ruth, Brice wrote: Any chance of getting a webcast setup for this? For those of us not fortunate enough to be local to the 'Valley? :) You'll have to ask Van about broadcast facilities :-), I'll look into this, but, it will most likely not be happening. At my day job, I am on the critical path for completing and shipping a new product right now. So, it is not going to happen unless they have the facilities required for this at Netscape *and* I can find a volunteer with more free time than myself to set it up. Sorry, Van but I do plan to make my slides available after the talk. Craig Van Riper, Mike wrote: The next meeting of the Silicon Valley Struts User BOF will be held at Netscape in Mountain View on Wednesday, November 5th. Craig McClanahan, a senior staff engineer for Sun Microsystems, will make a presentation on this topic: Struts and JavaServer Faces -- Competition or Coexistence? Craig is uniquely qualified to give this talk, because he is both the original creator of the Struts Framework and co-specification lead for JavaServer Faces (JSR-127). You will find the full announcement including directions to Netscape here: http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/20031105a/ (Please note the change of venue from VeriSign to Netscape for November) This meeting is being co-hosted by the Silicon Valley Java User Group (SVJUG) and the Java SIG of the East Bay I.T. Group (eBIG). Special thanks goes to SVJUG President Venki Seshaadri for arranging the meeting space at Netscape. SVJUG http://www.svjug.org/ eBIG http://www.ebig.org/sig/sig.aspx?SIGid=21 That's all folks, Van Mike Van Riper mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Brice D. Ruth Sr. IT Analyst Fiskars Brands, Inc. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/ 5
The next meeting of the Silicon Valley Struts User BOF will be held at Netscape in Mountain View on Wednesday, November 5th. Craig McClanahan, a senior staff engineer for Sun Microsystems, will make a presentation on this topic: Struts and JavaServer Faces -- Competition or Coexistence? Craig is uniquely qualified to give this talk, because he is both the original creator of the Struts Framework and co-specification lead for JavaServer Faces (JSR-127). You will find the full announcement including directions to Netscape here: http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/20031105a/ (Please note the change of venue from VeriSign to Netscape for November) This meeting is being co-hosted by the Silicon Valley Java User Group (SVJUG) and the Java SIG of the East Bay I.T. Group (eBIG). Special thanks goes to SVJUG President Venki Seshaadri for arranging the meeting space at Netscape. SVJUG http://www.svjug.org/ eBIG http://www.ebig.org/sig/sig.aspx?SIGid=21 That's all folks, Van Mike Van Riper mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/ 5
Any chance of getting a webcast setup for this? For those of us not fortunate enough to be local to the 'Valley? :) Van Riper, Mike wrote: The next meeting of the Silicon Valley Struts User BOF will be held at Netscape in Mountain View on Wednesday, November 5th. Craig McClanahan, a senior staff engineer for Sun Microsystems, will make a presentation on this topic: Struts and JavaServer Faces -- Competition or Coexistence? Craig is uniquely qualified to give this talk, because he is both the original creator of the Struts Framework and co-specification lead for JavaServer Faces (JSR-127). You will find the full announcement including directions to Netscape here: http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/20031105a/ (Please note the change of venue from VeriSign to Netscape for November) This meeting is being co-hosted by the Silicon Valley Java User Group (SVJUG) and the Java SIG of the East Bay I.T. Group (eBIG). Special thanks goes to SVJUG President Venki Seshaadri for arranging the meeting space at Netscape. SVJUG http://www.svjug.org/ eBIG http://www.ebig.org/sig/sig.aspx?SIGid=21 That's all folks, Van Mike Van Riper mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Brice D. Ruth Sr. IT Analyst Fiskars Brands, Inc. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/ 5
And an offline copy. For those of us not local to the country :-) -Original Message- From: Ruth, Brice [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2003 2:54 p.m. To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/ 5 Any chance of getting a webcast setup for this? For those of us not fortunate enough to be local to the 'Valley? :) Van Riper, Mike wrote: The next meeting of the Silicon Valley Struts User BOF will be held at Netscape in Mountain View on Wednesday, November 5th. Craig McClanahan, a senior staff engineer for Sun Microsystems, will make a presentation on this topic: Struts and JavaServer Faces -- Competition or Coexistence? Craig is uniquely qualified to give this talk, because he is both the original creator of the Struts Framework and co-specification lead for JavaServer Faces (JSR-127). You will find the full announcement including directions to Netscape here: http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/20031105a/ (Please note the change of venue from VeriSign to Netscape for November) This meeting is being co-hosted by the Silicon Valley Java User Group (SVJUG) and the Java SIG of the East Bay I.T. Group (eBIG). Special thanks goes to SVJUG President Venki Seshaadri for arranging the meeting space at Netscape. SVJUG http://www.svjug.org/ eBIG http://www.ebig.org/sig/sig.aspx?SIGid=21 That's all folks, Van Mike Van Riper mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Brice D. Ruth Sr. IT Analyst Fiskars Brands, Inc. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN] Struts and JavaServer Faces talk by Craig McClanahan on 11/ 5
Ruth, Brice wrote: Any chance of getting a webcast setup for this? For those of us not fortunate enough to be local to the 'Valley? :) You'll have to ask Van about broadcast facilities :-), but I do plan to make my slides available after the talk. Craig Van Riper, Mike wrote: The next meeting of the Silicon Valley Struts User BOF will be held at Netscape in Mountain View on Wednesday, November 5th. Craig McClanahan, a senior staff engineer for Sun Microsystems, will make a presentation on this topic: Struts and JavaServer Faces -- Competition or Coexistence? Craig is uniquely qualified to give this talk, because he is both the original creator of the Struts Framework and co-specification lead for JavaServer Faces (JSR-127). You will find the full announcement including directions to Netscape here: http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/20031105a/ (Please note the change of venue from VeriSign to Netscape for November) This meeting is being co-hosted by the Silicon Valley Java User Group (SVJUG) and the Java SIG of the East Bay I.T. Group (eBIG). Special thanks goes to SVJUG President Venki Seshaadri for arranging the meeting space at Netscape. SVJUG http://www.svjug.org/ eBIG http://www.ebig.org/sig/sig.aspx?SIGid=21 That's all folks, Van Mike Van Riper mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.baychi.org/bof/struts/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JavaServer Faces
Chen, Gin wrote: alternative to the integrated Struts Bean/Logic functionality. The original Struts taglibs are *NOT* integrated with the Struts controller. The Struts controller has absolutely no idea that these tags exist. Struts works just as well (or even better) with JSTL, or JSF, or Velocity Tools, or the Stxx XML tools, and whatever else may be out there. At the present time, the original Struts taglibs are simply *bundled* with the core distribution. These classes could be pulled out of the JAR at any time, and the controller would not know the difference. -Ted. Chen, Gin wrote: See.. Anyone reason that this should be kept public is to correct our understanding of what JSF is really about. ;) With the talks of JSF and it's UI/Action like capabilities it is no wonder that we think of it as a possible alternative to Struts. To use it with Struts seems to me as saying that you are using only part of the functionality of JSF. Just like your using part of the functionality of Struts if you use JSTL instead of Bean/Logic tags currently. While it is probably a better solution than the Bean/Logic tags, JSTL is still just and alternative to the integrated Struts Bean/Logic functionality. -Tim -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:41 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces Chen, Gin wrote: Since JSF is *supposed* to replace Struts, so to speak, This statement is *not* a correct understanding of what is happening! Anyone who claims that doesn't get it. You should absolutely, positively plan on evaluating the use of JavaServer Faces components instead of the Struts HTML tags, and the JSTL tags instead of the corresponding bean and logic tags. Besides being standadized (which means, for example, that you can import and use *anyone's* JavaServer Faces tags, not be stuck with ones that are provided only by Struts), they are more powerful and more functional -- and they work fine in conjunction with Struts based applications. That has nothing to do with whether or not you need the other features of Struts (the core controller mechanisms, plugins, Tiles, Validator, ...) -- which can be used just fine with JavaServer Faces components as well. There is a functionality overlap in the core controller role, and for some people JavaServer Faces will be sufficient by itself. But it's our job as Struts developers to ensure that the gap continues to exist and increases; there's a lot of things required to build good web apps that are not UI components or tags, and are therefore outside the scope of JavaServer Faces and JSTL. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ted Husted, Junit in Action - http://www.manning.com/massol/, Struts in Action - http://husted.com/struts/book.html, JSP Site Design - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=1861005512. Get Ready, We're Moving Out!! - http://www.clark04.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: JavaServer Faces
Susan. Maybe I didn't word what I said correctly but when did I mention anything about 'throwing ni the Struts towel'? I am more than appreciative of what Struts has offered as anyone that knows me would know (why don't you look up my past posts?) I am simply talking about the 'moving to something bigger and badder' mentality of software developers. Just has we have 'moved' from COBOL insert shudder here, Smalltalk or C++ or whatever your background to Java. It does not mean that we have forgotten or even have stopped using the other languages. And it sure as he|| doesn't mean that we don't have respect for the past. -Tim -Original Message- From: Susan Bradeen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 5:08 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces Thank you, Craig, for the umpteenth time for saying this. Why are so many people still talking about throwing in the Struts towel?! This is open source, is it not? Is it not the job of open source to keep ahead of the standards with great ideas that continue to make our jobs easier, more interesting, more fun, and going where no software has gone before? Is it not from open source that the standards are often based? Do we think that just because JSF is on its way into main stream that it will put an end to all we can possibly ask for as web developers? Has that ever been the case with the latest and greatest standard to come to the table? Have we not already heard of the great things the Struts developers have in mind for the future? If the new standards become all you need, then great! If not, then look to Struts and the Struts team for continuing to give you more. Thank you, Struts developers. Susan Bradeen On 10/10/2003 02:40:32 PM Craig R. McClanahan wrote: Chen, Gin wrote: Since JSF is *supposed* to replace Struts, so to speak, This statement is *not* a correct understanding of what is happening! Anyone who claims that doesn't get it. You should absolutely, positively plan on evaluating the use of JavaServer Faces components instead of the Struts HTML tags, and the JSTL tags instead of the corresponding bean and logic tags. Besides being standadized (which means, for example, that you can import and use *anyone's* JavaServer Faces tags, not be stuck with ones that are provided only by Struts), they are more powerful and more functional -- and they work fine in conjunction with Struts based applications. That has nothing to do with whether or not you need the other features of Struts (the core controller mechanisms, plugins, Tiles, Validator, ...) -- which can be used just fine with JavaServer Faces components as well. There is a functionality overlap in the core controller role, and for some people JavaServer Faces will be sufficient by itself. But it's our job as Struts developers to ensure that the gap continues to exist and increases; there's a lot of things required to build good web apps that are not UI components or tags, and are therefore outside the scope of JavaServer Faces and JSTL. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sincere apologies, Tim. I absolutely meant no offense personally to you (and I should have said that). I was speaking in a general sense to previous posts on the list. As a matter of fact, your wording of Since JSF is *supposed* to replace Struts, so to speak,, gave me the impression that you don't feel this to be true either. Sorry about that. Susan On 10/13/2003 09:04:53 AM Chen, Gin wrote: Susan. Maybe I didn't word what I said correctly but when did I mention anything about 'throwing ni the Struts towel'? I am more than appreciative of what Struts has offered as anyone that knows me would know (why don't you look up my past posts?) I am simply talking about the 'moving to something bigger and badder' mentality of software developers. Just has we have 'moved' from COBOL insert shudder here, Smalltalk or C++ or whatever your background to Java. It does not mean that we have forgotten or even have stopped using the other languages. And it sure as he|| doesn't mean that we don't have respect for the past. -Tim -Original Message- From: Susan Bradeen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 5:08 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces Thank you, Craig, for the umpteenth time for saying this. Why are so many people still talking about throwing in the Struts towel?! This is open source, is it not? Is it not the job of open source to keep ahead of the standards with great ideas that continue to make our jobs easier, more interesting, more fun, and going where no software has gone before? Is it not from open source that the standards are often based? Do we think that just because JSF is on its way into main stream that it will put an end to all we can possibly ask for as web developers? Has that ever been the case with the latest and greatest standard to come to the table? Have we not already heard of the great things the Struts developers have in mind for the future? If the new standards become all you need, then great! If not, then look to Struts and the Struts team for continuing to give you more. Thank you, Struts developers. Susan Bradeen On 10/10/2003 02:40:32 PM Craig R. McClanahan wrote: Chen, Gin wrote: Since JSF is *supposed* to replace Struts, so to speak, This statement is *not* a correct understanding of what is happening! Anyone who claims that doesn't get it. You should absolutely, positively plan on evaluating the use of JavaServer Faces components instead of the Struts HTML tags, and the JSTL tags instead of the corresponding bean and logic tags. Besides being standadized (which means, for example, that you can import and use *anyone's* JavaServer Faces tags, not be stuck with ones that are provided only by Struts), they are more powerful and more functional -- and they work fine in conjunction with Struts based applications. That has nothing to do with whether or not you need the other features of Struts (the core controller mechanisms, plugins, Tiles, Validator, ...) -- which can be used just fine with JavaServer Faces components as well. There is a functionality overlap in the core controller role, and for some people JavaServer Faces will be sufficient by itself. But it's our job as Struts developers to ensure that the gap continues to exist and increases; there's a lot of things required to build good web apps that are not UI components or tags, and are therefore outside the scope of JavaServer Faces and JSTL. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have been triing to avoid this issue, but I can't help stick my foot in my mouth. Struts works but so do a lot of technologies. Struts is about the COMMUNITY. I have never been on a more supportive, active, relevant communitity of developers. As long as the community keeps producing stuff which is relevant to the community it will continue to be relevant. Edgar -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 6:25 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces Susan Bradeen wrote: Thank you, Craig, for the umpteenth time for saying this. Why are so many - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 08:05 PM 10/9/2003 -0400, you wrote: Yes I too have worked on Microsoft Systems where you drag and drop components into a Frame and voila you have a functional web page. 1)First a general feeling if uneasiness about integrating the classic Monolithic Microsoft Component Structure into a working Distributed Environment The idea of integrating so much functionality to be handled by one component gives me a very uneasy feeling. Well, I think a lot of times how much is handled by one component is a matter of the component's design. And when you have a rich set of components to choose from, you can pick more granular ones or more complex ones, depending on your disposition. And, call me crazy, but I have better things to do than write the code necessary to support a full-featured data grid. As the people at companies like Infragistics will tell you, there's a hell of a lot of functionality you can add to a data grid. Personally, I'd rather work on the specific nuances of the system I'm trying to build. For one thing the dependencies between components are not known. In the Microsoft world DB's generally have to be ODBC or not work at all. A more verifiable result is implementing the wrong version of component and you have a disaster.. I'm not quite sure what you're talking about here. Since I did Delphi development, I wasn't aware of any ODBC-specific constraints. My Achilles heel was the Borland Database Engine (BDE). But I won't go into detail about that monstrosity. Using the BDE wasn't a requirement, though, and there were alternative ways to do things. (I think Borland has axed the BDE for good, finally). Also, I wasn't trying to say that Microsoft's way of doing things is better or anything like that. I'm just saying that user interface component-oriented development (RAD, back in the day) yields productivity gains. Microsoft is the most well-known promoter of GUI components, but they're certainly not the only one. 2)Finally I would like to request (Specifically) which IDE's handle JSF today Since JSF isn't even in beta yet, you're not going to find any full-fledged IDEs that support it. My FAQ (http://www.jsfcentral.com/faq/) talks about the companies involved (which includes all of the major Java IDE players), and has some links to quasi-announcements they've made :-). Kito D. Mann Author, JSF in Action www.JSFCentral.com - JSF FAQ, news, and info Thank You, Marty Gainty http://www.laconiadatasystems.com - Original Message - From: Kito D. Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:55 PM Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces Matt, This looks like a great taglib -- I wish I had found it when I was working on some past projects :-). In the JSF world, this would be a component that you would use the same way -- with a simple taglib. I'm assuming that this type of functionality is what the highly anticipated JSF grid will provide in the next release of JSF (maybe Craig can extrapolate). There's an example of a much less capable, but similar, component in JSF EA4. The main difference between the component and taglib approach is that in the component world, all of this functionality would be implemented by a component/renderer pair. The component itself would be a JavaBean, so it'd have methods, properties, and events, and integrate with tools. You could even have a JavaBeans customizer that would allow you to find and connect to the data source with a wizard interface. You could also develop different renderers, so perhaps one would output HTML and another might work for a WML device. Renderers are separate from the component itself, so all of the basic properties, like the data source, wouldn't have to be changed for a new device -- only the renderer. Anyway, we're probably getting a little too off-topic, so drop me a line personally if you want to chat more :-). Kito D. Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Author, JSF in Action www.JSFCentral.com - JSF FAQ, news, and info At 06:37 PM 10/9/2003 -0400, you wrote: Here is an example of something I do a lot of w/Struts: http://displaytag.sf.net (that Matt contributed to) You can click on examples link (uper right) to see nested, pagination, etc. Using your skill and experience you listed, can you show something similar? .V Kito D. Mann wrote: At 11:20 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote: I watched a presentation on JSF last night. Here's my high-level impressions: 1. It's a replacement for Struts (no matter what folks say). It may be in the long-term, but it won't be in version 1.0. I think the combination of the two is pretty powerful. 2. It's basically Swing for the Web. True. 3. It's more difficult than Struts. I think it might be more difficult for people who haven't worked with desktop-oriented GUI frameworks like Swing, Delphi's VCL, or Visual Basic OCXs (and likewise .NET). Once you get used to a more component
Re: JavaServer Faces
Chen, Gin wrote: Since JSF is *supposed* to replace Struts, so to speak, This statement is *not* a correct understanding of what is happening! Anyone who claims that doesn't get it. You should absolutely, positively plan on evaluating the use of JavaServer Faces components instead of the Struts HTML tags, and the JSTL tags instead of the corresponding bean and logic tags. Besides being standadized (which means, for example, that you can import and use *anyone's* JavaServer Faces tags, not be stuck with ones that are provided only by Struts), they are more powerful and more functional -- and they work fine in conjunction with Struts based applications. That has nothing to do with whether or not you need the other features of Struts (the core controller mechanisms, plugins, Tiles, Validator, ...) -- which can be used just fine with JavaServer Faces components as well. There is a functionality overlap in the core controller role, and for some people JavaServer Faces will be sufficient by itself. But it's our job as Struts developers to ensure that the gap continues to exist and increases; there's a lot of things required to build good web apps that are not UI components or tags, and are therefore outside the scope of JavaServer Faces and JSTL. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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See.. Anyone reason that this should be kept public is to correct our understanding of what JSF is really about. ;) With the talks of JSF and it's UI/Action like capabilities it is no wonder that we think of it as a possible alternative to Struts. To use it with Struts seems to me as saying that you are using only part of the functionality of JSF. Just like your using part of the functionality of Struts if you use JSTL instead of Bean/Logic tags currently. While it is probably a better solution than the Bean/Logic tags, JSTL is still just and alternative to the integrated Struts Bean/Logic functionality. -Tim -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:41 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces Chen, Gin wrote: Since JSF is *supposed* to replace Struts, so to speak, This statement is *not* a correct understanding of what is happening! Anyone who claims that doesn't get it. You should absolutely, positively plan on evaluating the use of JavaServer Faces components instead of the Struts HTML tags, and the JSTL tags instead of the corresponding bean and logic tags. Besides being standadized (which means, for example, that you can import and use *anyone's* JavaServer Faces tags, not be stuck with ones that are provided only by Struts), they are more powerful and more functional -- and they work fine in conjunction with Struts based applications. That has nothing to do with whether or not you need the other features of Struts (the core controller mechanisms, plugins, Tiles, Validator, ...) -- which can be used just fine with JavaServer Faces components as well. There is a functionality overlap in the core controller role, and for some people JavaServer Faces will be sufficient by itself. But it's our job as Struts developers to ensure that the gap continues to exist and increases; there's a lot of things required to build good web apps that are not UI components or tags, and are therefore outside the scope of JavaServer Faces and JSTL. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If I culod sepll this mghit mkae snese. -Teem -Original Message- From: Chen, Gin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:09 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: JavaServer Faces See.. Anyone reason that this should be kept public is to correct our understanding of what JSF is really about. ;) With the talks of JSF and it's UI/Action like capabilities it is no wonder that we think of it as a possible alternative to Struts. To use it with Struts seems to me as saying that you are using only part of the functionality of JSF. Just like your using part of the functionality of Struts if you use JSTL instead of Bean/Logic tags currently. While it is probably a better solution than the Bean/Logic tags, JSTL is still just and alternative to the integrated Struts Bean/Logic functionality. -Tim -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:41 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces Chen, Gin wrote: Since JSF is *supposed* to replace Struts, so to speak, This statement is *not* a correct understanding of what is happening! Anyone who claims that doesn't get it. You should absolutely, positively plan on evaluating the use of JavaServer Faces components instead of the Struts HTML tags, and the JSTL tags instead of the corresponding bean and logic tags. Besides being standadized (which means, for example, that you can import and use *anyone's* JavaServer Faces tags, not be stuck with ones that are provided only by Struts), they are more powerful and more functional -- and they work fine in conjunction with Struts based applications. That has nothing to do with whether or not you need the other features of Struts (the core controller mechanisms, plugins, Tiles, Validator, ...) -- which can be used just fine with JavaServer Faces components as well. There is a functionality overlap in the core controller role, and for some people JavaServer Faces will be sufficient by itself. But it's our job as Struts developers to ensure that the gap continues to exist and increases; there's a lot of things required to build good web apps that are not UI components or tags, and are therefore outside the scope of JavaServer Faces and JSTL. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Craig R. McClanahan wrote: There is a functionality overlap in the core controller role, and for some people JavaServer Faces will be sufficient by itself. over-simplification It's not unlike the situation with the JSTL SQL tags. For very simple Model 1 applications, these can be sufficient unto the day. But, for more complex applications, you need to break out the big guns, like iBATIS, Hibernate, or EJB. The JSTL SQL tags didn't obviate other data-access products, and the JSF controller features won't obviate other controller products like Struts. JSTL includes SQL tags for completeness and JSF does the same in respect to a controller feature. /over-simplification -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thank you, Craig, for the umpteenth time for saying this. Why are so many people still talking about throwing in the Struts towel?! This is open source, is it not? Is it not the job of open source to keep ahead of the standards with great ideas that continue to make our jobs easier, more interesting, more fun, and going where no software has gone before? Is it not from open source that the standards are often based? Do we think that just because JSF is on its way into main stream that it will put an end to all we can possibly ask for as web developers? Has that ever been the case with the latest and greatest standard to come to the table? Have we not already heard of the great things the Struts developers have in mind for the future? If the new standards become all you need, then great! If not, then look to Struts and the Struts team for continuing to give you more. Thank you, Struts developers. Susan Bradeen On 10/10/2003 02:40:32 PM Craig R. McClanahan wrote: Chen, Gin wrote: Since JSF is *supposed* to replace Struts, so to speak, This statement is *not* a correct understanding of what is happening! Anyone who claims that doesn't get it. You should absolutely, positively plan on evaluating the use of JavaServer Faces components instead of the Struts HTML tags, and the JSTL tags instead of the corresponding bean and logic tags. Besides being standadized (which means, for example, that you can import and use *anyone's* JavaServer Faces tags, not be stuck with ones that are provided only by Struts), they are more powerful and more functional -- and they work fine in conjunction with Struts based applications. That has nothing to do with whether or not you need the other features of Struts (the core controller mechanisms, plugins, Tiles, Validator, ...) -- which can be used just fine with JavaServer Faces components as well. There is a functionality overlap in the core controller role, and for some people JavaServer Faces will be sufficient by itself. But it's our job as Struts developers to ensure that the gap continues to exist and increases; there's a lot of things required to build good web apps that are not UI components or tags, and are therefore outside the scope of JavaServer Faces and JSTL. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Craig R. McClanahan wrote: Craig (who notes that it took Struts nearly three years to get a wide breadth of tools support) Though, the Struts tool explosion coincided with the more general Java tool explosion. If we have GUIs like today's Eclipse and IntelliJ three years ago, we would have seen Struts PlugIns right away. The GUI support for Web applications is a thousand-fold better now than it was three years ago, and the Struts support rode the wave. It would also be fair to say that Struts did much to create the buzz around JSF. If the JSF came out three years ago, tools support would have been a much tougher sell, not to mention the concept of taglibs as UI components. Remember how long it was before we saw much vendor support for JSP 1.2. Times have changed. Meanwhile, as James Holmes mentioned, it's nice to see that some things don't change: open source is still leading the way, with offerings like FacesConsole and Struts-Faces, not to mention MyFaces on SourceForge. (Pity about the license.) Also as mentioned elsewhere, initiatives like JSF don't appear out of thin air, they are built on a path paved by open source. And, the road winds ever on ... -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think the main point is that JSF is primarily about standard re-usable user interface components. It has basic controller functionality, but the UI component side of things is the real focus. Many existing frameworks -- Struts, UIX (Oracle's framework), and others, will continue to add a bunch of additional functionality but will also be able to use JSF components. That's the bottom line. And, like Ted and Craig said, smaller applications may do fine with JSF alone. At 04:03 PM 10/10/2003 -0400, you wrote: Craig R. McClanahan wrote: There is a functionality overlap in the core controller role, and for some people JavaServer Faces will be sufficient by itself. over-simplification It's not unlike the situation with the JSTL SQL tags. For very simple Model 1 applications, these can be sufficient unto the day. But, for more complex applications, you need to break out the big guns, like iBATIS, Hibernate, or EJB. The JSTL SQL tags didn't obviate other data-access products, and the JSF controller features won't obviate other controller products like Struts. JSTL includes SQL tags for completeness and JSF does the same in respect to a controller feature. /over-simplification -Ted. Kito D. Mann Author, JSF in Action www.JSFCentral.com - JSF FAQ, news, and info - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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of the functionality of Struts if you use JSTL instead of Bean/Logic tags currently. While it is probably a better solution than the Bean/Logic tags, JSTL is still just and alternative to the integrated Struts Bean/Logic functionality. -Tim -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:41 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces Chen, Gin wrote: - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Susan Bradeen wrote: Thank you, Craig, for the umpteenth time for saying this. Why are so many people still talking about throwing in the Struts towel?! This is open source, is it not? Is it not the job of open source to keep ahead of the standards with great ideas that continue to make our jobs easier, more interesting, more fun, and going where no software has gone before? Is it not from open source that the standards are often based? A historical note that supports what Susan (and Ted) are saying here. During the planning for what became JSTL 1.0, I was advocating the inclusion of an expression language in whatever tags we came up with, because it's a key ease-of-use feature compared to the clunkiness of expressing functional logic in XML. The strongest piece of my argument: Struts users who are used to the power of expression evaluation won't accept standard tags that don't have this functionality. :-) Now, we've got EL expressions not only in tags that understand them, but (as of JSP 2.0) EL expressions work everywhere in your page -- even in template text. And the expectations of Struts users, setting the bar pretty high, had a lot to do with that. Do we think that just because JSF is on its way into main stream that it will put an end to all we can possibly ask for as web developers? Has that ever been the case with the latest and greatest standard to come to the table? Have we not already heard of the great things the Struts developers have in mind for the future? If the new standards become all you need, then great! If not, then look to Struts and the Struts team for continuing to give you more. Thank you, Struts developers. For myself (and I'm sure the other developers as well) you're definitely more than welcome. It has been an astonishing three years, and there's lots more fun and interesting stuff to be done. Susan Bradeen Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Frank Maritato wrote: So, displaytag is a pretty interesting taglib. It is very nice, I use it a lot! Does it need to have the entire dataset, or can it use an action/controller to lazy load the information from a datasource (or ejb, or web service, etc.) ? View layer does not deal with data of course, that is for the model. Of course to implement a good model, one should know some SQL. (Doing a good view, one should know CSS, or JavaScript, etc. ) Some DAO's, such iBaits, have pagination. (and caching; also iBatis can return a List, and displaytag needs a List. How nice.) Lazyloading might help in some cases in Java, but it would not help you in SQL/Data side. SQL works on sets (set theory, right; intersections, unions, etc. Read up on Celko) and server side and client side cursors are slow and non scaleable. A given DB engine compiles the querry, selects a path, executes the path with joins, sorts the result and then send it out(this last part you want to be faster?). Some DB engines, such as pgSQL offers support for SELECT . . . LIMIT/OFFSET, so you can get to the 3rd set of 1000 records from your result set. Depending of the DB engine you use, I would ask in the DB forum, since row by row loading (what I think you wanted) is same in C lang as it would be in Java. (CLI, OCI, etc.) I do have a google like example of doing this in a good practice example open source app. bP, If data access is slow for you, I would stress test that layer/module. View should present the collection in a paginated way, but after you have some data. hth, .V Vic Cekvenich wrote: Here is an example of something I do a lot of w/Struts: http://displaytag.sf.net (that Matt contributed to) You can click on examples link (uper right) to see nested, pagination, etc. Using your skill and experience you listed, can you show something similar? .V Kito D. Mann wrote: At 11:20 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote: I watched a presentation on JSF last night. Here's my high-level impressions: 1. It's a replacement for Struts (no matter what folks say). It may be in the long-term, but it won't be in version 1.0. I think the combination of the two is pretty powerful. 2. It's basically Swing for the Web. True. 3. It's more difficult than Struts. I think it might be more difficult for people who haven't worked with desktop-oriented GUI frameworks like Swing, Delphi's VCL, or Visual Basic OCXs (and likewise .NET). Once you get used to a more component-oriented approach, it's a lot more efficient. Most of the people I know who develop complex desktop GUIs with tools like Delphi feel that the servlet development is a step backwards, even with great frameworks like Struts. I also think that JSF will be easier to swallow than Swing, but that's based on my limited Swing experience (I've done a lot more Delphi desktop development than Swing). Anyway, that's my two cents, as someone who's familiar with JSF and has also worked with Struts, ASP.NET WebForms, and tools like Delphi. This topic has been beat to death all over the place; you can find out more on my site, JSFCentral.com. There's a FAQ there that addresses some Struts/Faces questions. Kito D. Mann Author, JSF in Action Basically, I'm not impressed. I think they're going to have do a lot to make it easier to learn and easier to develop with. It seems that a lot of Experts are touting that it'll be easy to develop because it's a *standard* and IDEs will support it. I'll believe it when I see it considering I still use HTML editors to edit JSPs and JSTL (because Homesite is still the best JSP editor IMO). Read more at http://tinyurl.com/qbyk. These are just my opinions - so take them with a grain of salt. Matt -- Victor Cekvenich, Struts Instructor (215) 312-9146 Advanced Struts Training http://basebeans.com/do/cmsPg?content=TRAINING Server Side Java training with Rich UI, mentoring, designs, samples and project recovery in North East. Simple best practice basic Portal, a Struts CMS, Membership, Forums, Shopping and Credit processing, http://basicportal.com software, ready to develop/customize; requires a db to run. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes, I have an opinion. While some people might not agree with me, it is still my opinion. I believe that you should read the spec, try the examples, and see for yourself. -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Struts Evangelist http://www.struts-atlanta.org 678.910.8017 770.822.3359 AIM:jmitchtx - Original Message - From: Horky Adam G A1C 805 CSPTS/SCBE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:28 PM Subject: JavaServer Faces Does anyone know enough about Struts and JavaServer Faces to provide an opinion about the superiority of one over the other? A1C Adam G Horky Application Development Programmer, SCBE (618)256-2300 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Matt Raible wrote: It seems that a lot of Experts are touting that it'll be easy to develop because it's a *standard* and IDEs will support it. http://wwws.sun.com/software/products/projectrave/ -- Glenn Holmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmer/Analyst phone: 414.908.1809 Weyco Group, Inc. fax: 414.908.1601 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I had worked on a project recently where they used Barracuda which is also a Swing version for the Web using HTML *id* attributes.I agree that the learning curve is pretty steep(just my view) on both Barracuda and JSF.But the benefits of reusing web components was really cool indeed in that project(ala Web Forms). Vijay -Original Message- From: Matt Raible [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:20 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: JavaServer Faces I watched a presentation on JSF last night. Here's my high-level impressions: 1. It's a replacement for Struts (no matter what folks say). 2. It's basically Swing for the Web. 3. It's more difficult than Struts. Basically, I'm not impressed. I think they're going to have do a lot to make it easier to learn and easier to develop with. It seems that a lot of Experts are touting that it'll be easy to develop because it's a *standard* and IDEs will support it. I'll believe it when I see it considering I still use HTML editors to edit JSPs and JSTL (because Homesite is still the best JSP editor IMO). Read more at http://tinyurl.com/qbyk. These are just my opinions - so take them with a grain of salt. Matt -Original Message- From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:58 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces It's not an either/or decision. http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/faqs/kickstart.html#jsf Though, Struts is superior in the sense you can use it in a shipping application. JSF is still in early release. HTH, Ted. Horky Adam G A1C 805 CSPTS/SCBE wrote: Does anyone know enough about Struts and JavaServer Faces to provide an opinion about the superiority of one over the other? A1C Adam G Horky Application Development Programmer, SCBE (618)256-2300 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 11:20 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote: I watched a presentation on JSF last night. Here's my high-level impressions: 1. It's a replacement for Struts (no matter what folks say). It may be in the long-term, but it won't be in version 1.0. I think the combination of the two is pretty powerful. 2. It's basically Swing for the Web. True. 3. It's more difficult than Struts. I think it might be more difficult for people who haven't worked with desktop-oriented GUI frameworks like Swing, Delphi's VCL, or Visual Basic OCXs (and likewise .NET). Once you get used to a more component-oriented approach, it's a lot more efficient. Most of the people I know who develop complex desktop GUIs with tools like Delphi feel that the servlet development is a step backwards, even with great frameworks like Struts. I also think that JSF will be easier to swallow than Swing, but that's based on my limited Swing experience (I've done a lot more Delphi desktop development than Swing). Anyway, that's my two cents, as someone who's familiar with JSF and has also worked with Struts, ASP.NET WebForms, and tools like Delphi. This topic has been beat to death all over the place; you can find out more on my site, JSFCentral.com. There's a FAQ there that addresses some Struts/Faces questions. Kito D. Mann Author, JSF in Action Basically, I'm not impressed. I think they're going to have do a lot to make it easier to learn and easier to develop with. It seems that a lot of Experts are touting that it'll be easy to develop because it's a *standard* and IDEs will support it. I'll believe it when I see it considering I still use HTML editors to edit JSPs and JSTL (because Homesite is still the best JSP editor IMO). Read more at http://tinyurl.com/qbyk. These are just my opinions - so take them with a grain of salt. Matt -Original Message- From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:58 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces It's not an either/or decision. http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/faqs/kickstart.html#jsf Though, Struts is superior in the sense you can use it in a shipping application. JSF is still in early release. HTH, Ted. Horky Adam G A1C 805 CSPTS/SCBE wrote: Does anyone know enough about Struts and JavaServer Faces to provide an opinion about the superiority of one over the other? A1C Adam G Horky Application Development Programmer, SCBE (618)256-2300 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Here is an example of something I do a lot of w/Struts: http://displaytag.sf.net (that Matt contributed to) You can click on examples link (uper right) to see nested, pagination, etc. Using your skill and experience you listed, can you show something similar? .V Kito D. Mann wrote: At 11:20 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote: I watched a presentation on JSF last night. Here's my high-level impressions: 1. It's a replacement for Struts (no matter what folks say). It may be in the long-term, but it won't be in version 1.0. I think the combination of the two is pretty powerful. 2. It's basically Swing for the Web. True. 3. It's more difficult than Struts. I think it might be more difficult for people who haven't worked with desktop-oriented GUI frameworks like Swing, Delphi's VCL, or Visual Basic OCXs (and likewise .NET). Once you get used to a more component-oriented approach, it's a lot more efficient. Most of the people I know who develop complex desktop GUIs with tools like Delphi feel that the servlet development is a step backwards, even with great frameworks like Struts. I also think that JSF will be easier to swallow than Swing, but that's based on my limited Swing experience (I've done a lot more Delphi desktop development than Swing). Anyway, that's my two cents, as someone who's familiar with JSF and has also worked with Struts, ASP.NET WebForms, and tools like Delphi. This topic has been beat to death all over the place; you can find out more on my site, JSFCentral.com. There's a FAQ there that addresses some Struts/Faces questions. Kito D. Mann Author, JSF in Action Basically, I'm not impressed. I think they're going to have do a lot to make it easier to learn and easier to develop with. It seems that a lot of Experts are touting that it'll be easy to develop because it's a *standard* and IDEs will support it. I'll believe it when I see it considering I still use HTML editors to edit JSPs and JSTL (because Homesite is still the best JSP editor IMO). Read more at http://tinyurl.com/qbyk. These are just my opinions - so take them with a grain of salt. Matt -Original Message- From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:58 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces It's not an either/or decision. http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/faqs/kickstart.html#jsf Though, Struts is superior in the sense you can use it in a shipping application. JSF is still in early release. HTH, Ted. Horky Adam G A1C 805 CSPTS/SCBE wrote: Does anyone know enough about Struts and JavaServer Faces to provide an opinion about the superiority of one over the other? A1C Adam G Horky Application Development Programmer, SCBE (618)256-2300 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So, displaytag is a pretty interesting taglib. Does it need to have the entire dataset, or can it use an action/controller to lazy load the information from a datasource (or ejb, or web service, etc.) ? Vic Cekvenich wrote: Here is an example of something I do a lot of w/Struts: http://displaytag.sf.net (that Matt contributed to) You can click on examples link (uper right) to see nested, pagination, etc. Using your skill and experience you listed, can you show something similar? .V Kito D. Mann wrote: At 11:20 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote: I watched a presentation on JSF last night. Here's my high-level impressions: 1. It's a replacement for Struts (no matter what folks say). It may be in the long-term, but it won't be in version 1.0. I think the combination of the two is pretty powerful. 2. It's basically Swing for the Web. True. 3. It's more difficult than Struts. I think it might be more difficult for people who haven't worked with desktop-oriented GUI frameworks like Swing, Delphi's VCL, or Visual Basic OCXs (and likewise .NET). Once you get used to a more component-oriented approach, it's a lot more efficient. Most of the people I know who develop complex desktop GUIs with tools like Delphi feel that the servlet development is a step backwards, even with great frameworks like Struts. I also think that JSF will be easier to swallow than Swing, but that's based on my limited Swing experience (I've done a lot more Delphi desktop development than Swing). Anyway, that's my two cents, as someone who's familiar with JSF and has also worked with Struts, ASP.NET WebForms, and tools like Delphi. This topic has been beat to death all over the place; you can find out more on my site, JSFCentral.com. There's a FAQ there that addresses some Struts/Faces questions. Kito D. Mann Author, JSF in Action Basically, I'm not impressed. I think they're going to have do a lot to make it easier to learn and easier to develop with. It seems that a lot of Experts are touting that it'll be easy to develop because it's a *standard* and IDEs will support it. I'll believe it when I see it considering I still use HTML editors to edit JSPs and JSTL (because Homesite is still the best JSP editor IMO). Read more at http://tinyurl.com/qbyk. These are just my opinions - so take them with a grain of salt. Matt -Original Message- From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:58 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces It's not an either/or decision. http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/faqs/kickstart.html#jsf Though, Struts is superior in the sense you can use it in a shipping application. JSF is still in early release. HTH, Ted. Horky Adam G A1C 805 CSPTS/SCBE wrote: Does anyone know enough about Struts and JavaServer Faces to provide an opinion about the superiority of one over the other? A1C Adam G Horky Application Development Programmer, SCBE (618)256-2300 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Frank Maritato - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Matt, This looks like a great taglib -- I wish I had found it when I was working on some past projects :-). In the JSF world, this would be a component that you would use the same way -- with a simple taglib. I'm assuming that this type of functionality is what the highly anticipated JSF grid will provide in the next release of JSF (maybe Craig can extrapolate). There's an example of a much less capable, but similar, component in JSF EA4. The main difference between the component and taglib approach is that in the component world, all of this functionality would be implemented by a component/renderer pair. The component itself would be a JavaBean, so it'd have methods, properties, and events, and integrate with tools. You could even have a JavaBeans customizer that would allow you to find and connect to the data source with a wizard interface. You could also develop different renderers, so perhaps one would output HTML and another might work for a WML device. Renderers are separate from the component itself, so all of the basic properties, like the data source, wouldn't have to be changed for a new device -- only the renderer. Anyway, we're probably getting a little too off-topic, so drop me a line personally if you want to chat more :-). Kito D. Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Author, JSF in Action www.JSFCentral.com - JSF FAQ, news, and info At 06:37 PM 10/9/2003 -0400, you wrote: Here is an example of something I do a lot of w/Struts: http://displaytag.sf.net (that Matt contributed to) You can click on examples link (uper right) to see nested, pagination, etc. Using your skill and experience you listed, can you show something similar? .V Kito D. Mann wrote: At 11:20 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote: I watched a presentation on JSF last night. Here's my high-level impressions: 1. It's a replacement for Struts (no matter what folks say). It may be in the long-term, but it won't be in version 1.0. I think the combination of the two is pretty powerful. 2. It's basically Swing for the Web. True. 3. It's more difficult than Struts. I think it might be more difficult for people who haven't worked with desktop-oriented GUI frameworks like Swing, Delphi's VCL, or Visual Basic OCXs (and likewise .NET). Once you get used to a more component-oriented approach, it's a lot more efficient. Most of the people I know who develop complex desktop GUIs with tools like Delphi feel that the servlet development is a step backwards, even with great frameworks like Struts. I also think that JSF will be easier to swallow than Swing, but that's based on my limited Swing experience (I've done a lot more Delphi desktop development than Swing). Anyway, that's my two cents, as someone who's familiar with JSF and has also worked with Struts, ASP.NET WebForms, and tools like Delphi. This topic has been beat to death all over the place; you can find out more on my site, JSFCentral.com. There's a FAQ there that addresses some Struts/Faces questions. Kito D. Mann Author, JSF in Action Basically, I'm not impressed. I think they're going to have do a lot to make it easier to learn and easier to develop with. It seems that a lot of Experts are touting that it'll be easy to develop because it's a *standard* and IDEs will support it. I'll believe it when I see it considering I still use HTML editors to edit JSPs and JSTL (because Homesite is still the best JSP editor IMO). Read more at http://tinyurl.com/qbyk. These are just my opinions - so take them with a grain of salt. Matt -Original Message- From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:58 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces It's not an either/or decision. http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/faqs/kickstart.html#jsf Though, Struts is superior in the sense you can use it in a shipping application. JSF is still in early release. HTH, Ted. Horky Adam G A1C 805 CSPTS/SCBE wrote: Does anyone know enough about Struts and JavaServer Faces to provide an opinion about the superiority of one over the other? A1C Adam G Horky Application Development Programmer, SCBE (618)256-2300 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ Kito D. Mann . [EMAIL PROTECTED] .Virtua, Inc. ..existence doesn't necessarily mean living... Kito D. Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Virtua, Inc. 203-323-1244 203-323-2363 (fax) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes I too have worked on Microsoft Systems where you drag and drop components into a Frame and voila you have a functional web page. 1)First a general feeling if uneasiness about integrating the classic Monolithic Microsoft Component Structure into a working Distributed Environment The idea of integrating so much functionality to be handled by one component gives me a very uneasy feeling. For one thing the dependencies between components are not known. In the Microsoft world DB's generally have to be ODBC or not work at all. A more verifiable result is implementing the wrong version of component and you have a disaster.. 2)Finally I would like to request (Specifically) which IDE's handle JSF today Thank You, Marty Gainty http://www.laconiadatasystems.com - Original Message - From: Kito D. Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:55 PM Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces Matt, This looks like a great taglib -- I wish I had found it when I was working on some past projects :-). In the JSF world, this would be a component that you would use the same way -- with a simple taglib. I'm assuming that this type of functionality is what the highly anticipated JSF grid will provide in the next release of JSF (maybe Craig can extrapolate). There's an example of a much less capable, but similar, component in JSF EA4. The main difference between the component and taglib approach is that in the component world, all of this functionality would be implemented by a component/renderer pair. The component itself would be a JavaBean, so it'd have methods, properties, and events, and integrate with tools. You could even have a JavaBeans customizer that would allow you to find and connect to the data source with a wizard interface. You could also develop different renderers, so perhaps one would output HTML and another might work for a WML device. Renderers are separate from the component itself, so all of the basic properties, like the data source, wouldn't have to be changed for a new device -- only the renderer. Anyway, we're probably getting a little too off-topic, so drop me a line personally if you want to chat more :-). Kito D. Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Author, JSF in Action www.JSFCentral.com - JSF FAQ, news, and info At 06:37 PM 10/9/2003 -0400, you wrote: Here is an example of something I do a lot of w/Struts: http://displaytag.sf.net (that Matt contributed to) You can click on examples link (uper right) to see nested, pagination, etc. Using your skill and experience you listed, can you show something similar? .V Kito D. Mann wrote: At 11:20 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote: I watched a presentation on JSF last night. Here's my high-level impressions: 1. It's a replacement for Struts (no matter what folks say). It may be in the long-term, but it won't be in version 1.0. I think the combination of the two is pretty powerful. 2. It's basically Swing for the Web. True. 3. It's more difficult than Struts. I think it might be more difficult for people who haven't worked with desktop-oriented GUI frameworks like Swing, Delphi's VCL, or Visual Basic OCXs (and likewise .NET). Once you get used to a more component-oriented approach, it's a lot more efficient. Most of the people I know who develop complex desktop GUIs with tools like Delphi feel that the servlet development is a step backwards, even with great frameworks like Struts. I also think that JSF will be easier to swallow than Swing, but that's based on my limited Swing experience (I've done a lot more Delphi desktop development than Swing). Anyway, that's my two cents, as someone who's familiar with JSF and has also worked with Struts, ASP.NET WebForms, and tools like Delphi. This topic has been beat to death all over the place; you can find out more on my site, JSFCentral.com. There's a FAQ there that addresses some Struts/Faces questions. Kito D. Mann Author, JSF in Action Basically, I'm not impressed. I think they're going to have do a lot to make it easier to learn and easier to develop with. It seems that a lot of Experts are touting that it'll be easy to develop because it's a *standard* and IDEs will support it. I'll believe it when I see it considering I still use HTML editors to edit JSPs and JSTL (because Homesite is still the best JSP editor IMO). Read more at http://tinyurl.com/qbyk. These are just my opinions - so take them with a grain of salt. Matt -Original Message- From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:58 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces It's not an either/or decision. http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/faqs/kickstart.html#jsf Though, Struts is superior in the sense you can use it in a shipping application. JSF is still in early release. HTH, Ted. Horky Adam G A1C 805 CSPTS/SCBE
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Glenn Holmer wrote: Matt Raible wrote: It seems that a lot of Experts are touting that it'll be easy to develop because it's a *standard* and IDEs will support it. http://wwws.sun.com/software/products/projectrave/ As a Sun employee working directly with the Rave team (since it uses JavaServer Faces), I'm more than a little familiar with what's happening with Rave. It's going to be very cool :-). As co-spec-lead for JavaServer Faces, I'm also familiar with the direction that other tools vendors have indicated they are going. I can't share any details, but suffice it to say that JavaServer Faces is going to have a rich tools ecosystem, very soon after it goes final. Craig (who notes that it took Struts nearly three years to get a wide breadth of tools support) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There's already one JSF tool available today: Faces Console. It's almost identical to Struts Console as its purpose is to simply working with the faces-config.xml file. http://www.jamesholmes.com/JavaServerFaces/ -James -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:03 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces Glenn Holmer wrote: Matt Raible wrote: It seems that a lot of Experts are touting that it'll be easy to develop because it's a *standard* and IDEs will support it. http://wwws.sun.com/software/products/projectrave/ As a Sun employee working directly with the Rave team (since it uses JavaServer Faces), I'm more than a little familiar with what's happening with Rave. It's going to be very cool :-). As co-spec-lead for JavaServer Faces, I'm also familiar with the direction that other tools vendors have indicated they are going. I can't share any details, but suffice it to say that JavaServer Faces is going to have a rich tools ecosystem, very soon after it goes final. Craig (who notes that it took Struts nearly three years to get a wide breadth of tools support) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT FRIDAY: Re: JavaServer Faces
Kito D. Mann wrote: SNIP The main difference between the component and taglib approach is that in the component world, all of this functionality would be implemented by a component/renderer pair. The component itself would be a JavaBean, so it'd have methods, properties, and events, and integrate with tools. You could even have a JavaBeans customizer that would allow you to find and connect to the data source with a wizard interface. You could also develop different renderers, so perhaps one would output HTML and another might work for a WML device. SNIP It's submarine, but it can fly AND it's a lawn mower too. This way every member of the committee gets their feature. We'll think of a use for it later. A grid that displays on my browser; and on my cell phone! This would run great in PowerPoint. Where the C# tutorial! (of course, vendors do not have to use it later, unlike people that develop OS. Yeah, make it like Swing, lets duplicate that success. I use Eclipse, those silly OS people don't use Swing standard, they must not be as smart.) I used to use Vendor designed frameworks, and ran away from them to Struts. Kito D. Mann wrote: SNIP There's an example of a much less capable, but similar, component in JSF EA4. Kito D. Mann Author, JSF in Action SNIP Vic:... less capable, and more complex, now that takes a committee to advise me. Craig wrote: SNIP some commenters fail to remember what early access means -- it's not done yet. SNIP So we can't critisize it? But you can market it? Positive reviews are OK? I have heard wait till next version from Sun. There are a lot of promisses made, like ASF version of JSF, and Craig wrote (in another thread on EJB): SNIP Struts doesn't have a UI component model at all (the HTML tags do not count -- they are simply ways to render simple input fields -- which is why we have to work so hard at things like tree controls and grids), but shines in its overall framework characteristics. SNIP ?? Vic: HTML tags are a simple way to render input tags ... simple as in simple is bad? (Also I use a nice open source tag for tree that emits .js http://www.guydavis.ca/projects/oss/tags) I agree with Matt on this issue. Hopefully it's OK that I stay with http://displaytag.sf.net and Struts, and JSTL/HTML for Multi Row Updates/Validation. Until Flash Grid takes over, executing on a client's browser, and not on the server. (See, I did not even bring up vendor licensing or Sun's poor finance ;-)) Go Java! KISS, .V - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT FRIDAY: Re: JavaServer Faces
Vic Cekvenich wrote: Kito D. Mann wrote: SNIP The main difference between the component and taglib approach is that in the component world, all of this functionality would be implemented by a component/renderer pair. The component itself would be a JavaBean, so it'd have methods, properties, and events, and integrate with tools. You could even have a JavaBeans customizer that would allow you to find and connect to the data source with a wizard interface. You could also develop different renderers, so perhaps one would output HTML and another might work for a WML device. SNIP It's submarine, but it can fly AND it's a lawn mower too. This way every member of the committee gets their feature. We'll think of a use for it later. A grid that displays on my browser; and on my cell phone! This would run great in PowerPoint. Where the C# tutorial! (of course, vendors do not have to use it later, unlike people that develop OS. Yeah, make it like Swing, lets duplicate that success. I use Eclipse, those silly OS people don't use Swing standard, they must not be as smart.) I used to use Vendor designed frameworks, and ran away from them to Struts. Kito D. Mann wrote: SNIP There's an example of a much less capable, but similar, component in JSF EA4. Kito D. Mann Author, JSF in Action SNIP Vic:... less capable, and more complex, now that takes a committee to advise me. Craig wrote: SNIP some commenters fail to remember what early access means -- it's not done yet. SNIP So we can't critisize it? But you can market it? Positive reviews are OK? I have heard wait till next version from Sun. There are a lot of promisses made, like ASF version of JSF, and Submarines and lawn mowers isn't criticism ... it's emotional grandstanding. Craig wrote (in another thread on EJB): SNIP Struts doesn't have a UI component model at all (the HTML tags do not count -- they are simply ways to render simple input fields -- which is why we have to work so hard at things like tree controls and grids), but shines in its overall framework characteristics. SNIP ?? Vic: HTML tags are a simple way to render input tags ... simple as in simple is bad? Simple is great if your needs are simple ... when your needs grow then you need something else -- tree controls, menus, editable tables, and so on are all things that have to be bolted together, and aren't necessarily designed to interoperate. Let alone provide sufficient metadata about themselves so that they will make it possible for tools to provide a rich experience. Where's the property sheet that an IDE can use to drag one of these tags onto a pallete and the configure it? (Also I use a nice open source tag for tree that emits .js http://www.guydavis.ca/projects/oss/tags) I agree with Matt on this issue. Hopefully it's OK that I stay with http://displaytag.sf.net and Struts, and JSTL/HTML for Multi Row Updates/Validation. Until Flash Grid takes over, executing on a client's browser, and not on the server. Be my guest. (See, I did not even bring up vendor licensing or Sun's poor finance ;-)) And you even forgot JSR-168 too :-) Go Java! KISS, .V Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT FRIDAY: Re: JavaServer Faces
Craig R. McClanahan wrote: And you even forgot JSR-168 too :-) Oh yeah, I did not even criticize that! Next time. ;-} .V Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JavaServer Faces
Does anyone know enough about Struts and JavaServer Faces to provide an opinion about the superiority of one over the other? A1C Adam G Horky Application Development Programmer, SCBE (618)256-2300
Re: JavaServer Faces
It's not an either/or decision. http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/faqs/kickstart.html#jsf Though, Struts is superior in the sense you can use it in a shipping application. JSF is still in early release. HTH, Ted. Horky Adam G A1C 805 CSPTS/SCBE wrote: Does anyone know enough about Struts and JavaServer Faces to provide an opinion about the superiority of one over the other? A1C Adam G Horky Application Development Programmer, SCBE (618)256-2300 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: JavaServer Faces
I reckon Craig might know a wee little bit about that ;-) Why not search the archive and see what he has said about it. -Original Message- From: Horky Adam G A1C 805 CSPTS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 9 October 2003 03:28 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: JavaServer Faces Does anyone know enough about Struts and JavaServer Faces to provide an opinion about the superiority of one over the other? A1C Adam G Horky Application Development Programmer, SCBE (618)256-2300
RE: JavaServer Faces
This question indeed has be asked before. JSF only covers the frontend portion of an application, namingly the V and C. The Struts addresses more development issues. An article on integration Struts and JSF recently appears on the developerWork(IBM) web (if my memory is correct). That is to say you can use the two together. Hope this helps. -- - Original Message - DATE: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:19:59 From: Andrew Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: I reckon Craig might know a wee little bit about that ;-) Why not search the archive and see what he has said about it. -Original Message- From: Horky Adam G A1C 805 CSPTS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 9 October 2003 03:28 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: JavaServer Faces Does anyone know enough about Struts and JavaServer Faces to provide an opinion about the superiority of one over the other? A1C Adam G Horky Application Development Programmer, SCBE (618)256-2300 Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Article] Integrating Struts, Tiles, and JavaServer Faces
just stumbled over this new article at IBM developerWorks.. cite Would you like the front-end power of JavaServer Faces (JSF), the content-formatting strengths of Tiles, and the flexibility of the Struts controller tier all wrapped up in your J2EE Web application? Enterprise Java experts Srikanth Shenoy and Nithin Mallya show you how to integrate the features of all three. This article demonstrates how to customize the classes in the Struts-Faces integration library to make them work with Tiles and JSF, explains the rationale behind doing this, and details how to use the new set of classes with a working example. /cite http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/j-integrate/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Integrating Struts, Tiles and JavaServer Faces
Currently JSF, Struts and Tiles cannot work together out of the box. Craig McClanahan has come up with Struts-Faces which lets you integrate Struts and JSF. This is ideal for projects who want to protect their code investment in Struts and also want to take advantage of JSF once it is final. Unfortunately if you are also using Tiles, this is not possible because of some showstoppers on your way. I started on this venture a while back and ran into the same problems and decided to write some code - on top of Struts-Faces and was pretty successful. I am sharing this knowledge with the rest of you with this article of mine on IBM developerWorks http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/j-integrate/ This article covers the steps to integrate the three and provides complete source code and also a working example. Hope you will find the article and the code useful. If you are in a hurry, just grab the code and use it. If you like the approach (or portions of it) taken to address the integration problem, then would anybody be interested in adding/merging this code to Struts/Struts-Faces CVS? Thanks, Srikanth - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] [ANNOUNCE] JavaServer Faces FAQ
I'm pleased to announce a new FAQ about JSF at http://www.jsfcentral.com. Currently it focuses on more high-level questions, including some basic questions about JSF and Struts, but it's a good compliment to the existing Sun FAQ. I'll be adding more content to the FAQ and the site as a whole over time, so check back often. Thanks, Kito D. Mann Author, JSF in Action (in progress) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JavaServer Faces and Struts
Hey guys, Just read an article on JSF and it sounds pretty interesting, one problem though, writer says its not compatible with Struts. Have anyone tried? What do you think of it, did anyone succeeded in making it work with Struts. Thanks, Fedor __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JavaServer Faces and Struts
Where's the article? Sorry, can't answer your questions. thanks - gene --- Fedor Smirnoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, Just read an article on JSF and it sounds pretty interesting, one problem though, writer says its not compatible with Struts. Have anyone tried? What do you think of it, did anyone succeeded in making it work with Struts. Thanks, Fedor __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JavaServer Faces and Struts
Fedor Smirnoff wrote: Hey guys, Just read an article on JSF and it sounds pretty interesting, one problem though, writer says its not compatible with Struts. Have anyone tried? What do you think of it, did anyone succeeded in making it work with Struts. The article is just plain wrong, and you should tell them so. Original Message Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Updated Struts-Faces Integration Library Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:46:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] As you might already be aware, the Public Draft 2 version of the JavaServer Faces specification is now available: http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/download.html with many new and exciting features. The EA4 version of the JavaServer Faces reference implementation is available as part of the Java Web Services Developer Pack 1.2 release (and easily separable for use on other containers): http://java.sun.com/webservices/downloads/webservicespack.html I have updated the Struts-Faces integration library that was previously published, to accomodate the API changes in the new version. Nightly builds of the updated code, starting with the 20030605 version (i.e. tonight) will be available at: http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/ (Versions up through and including 20030604 are for the EA3 release of Faces; wait until tomorrow to grab the updated code.) Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JavaServer Faces and Struts
Here it is, its not much, just an overview: http://www.ftponline.com/javapro/2003_04/magazine/columns/weblication/default.asp Fedor --- Gene Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where's the article? Sorry, can't answer your questions. thanks - gene --- Fedor Smirnoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, Just read an article on JSF and it sounds pretty interesting, one problem though, writer says its not compatible with Struts. Have anyone tried? What do you think of it, did anyone succeeded in making it work with Struts. Thanks, Fedor __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JavaServer Faces and Struts
Oh this is great!! Yes, either they have no idea whats going on or, JSF cam a long way since article was published in April http://www.ftponline.com/javapro/2003_04/magazine/columns/weblication/default.asp THanks fedor --- Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fedor Smirnoff wrote: Hey guys, Just read an article on JSF and it sounds pretty interesting, one problem though, writer says its not compatible with Struts. Have anyone tried? What do you think of it, did anyone succeeded in making it work with Struts. The article is just plain wrong, and you should tell them so. Original Message Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Updated Struts-Faces Integration Library Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:46:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] As you might already be aware, the Public Draft 2 version of the JavaServer Faces specification is now available: http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/download.html with many new and exciting features. The EA4 version of the JavaServer Faces reference implementation is available as part of the Java Web Services Developer Pack 1.2 release (and easily separable for use on other containers): http://java.sun.com/webservices/downloads/webservicespack.html I have updated the Struts-Faces integration library that was previously published, to accomodate the API changes in the new version. Nightly builds of the updated code, starting with the 20030605 version (i.e. tonight) will be available at: http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/ (Versions up through and including 20030604 are for the EA3 release of Faces; wait until tomorrow to grab the updated code.) Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: JavaServer Faces and Struts
Struts is definitely compatible with JSF. The article you read was probably narrow in scope. For more articles and information on JSF you can visit my JSF resources page. http://www.jamesholmes.com/JavaServerFaces/ -James http://www.jamesholmes.com/struts/ -Original Message- From: Fedor Smirnoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 5:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: JavaServer Faces and Struts Hey guys, Just read an article on JSF and it sounds pretty interesting, one problem though, writer says its not compatible with Struts. Have anyone tried? What do you think of it, did anyone succeeded in making it work with Struts. Thanks, Fedor __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: JavaServer Faces and Struts
Wow. So this guy downloads some JSF stuff, gets the example running, writes an article and gets it in JP? I hope they don't pay him too much! Then again maybe he's on the Redmond payroll... I'll bet the majority of the struts-user subscribers do the same thing and think they're just playing around--little do they know they could be journalists! Hey Ted, you're a writer, what do you think of this guy's research methodology? ;) -Original Message- From: Fedor Smirnoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:06 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces and Struts Oh this is great!! Yes, either they have no idea whats going on or, JSF cam a long way since article was published in April http://www.ftponline.com/javapro/2003_04/magazine/columns/webl ication/default.asp THanks fedor --- Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fedor Smirnoff wrote: Hey guys, Just read an article on JSF and it sounds pretty interesting, one problem though, writer says its not compatible with Struts. Have anyone tried? What do you think of it, did anyone succeeded in making it work with Struts. The article is just plain wrong, and you should tell them so. Original Message Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Updated Struts-Faces Integration Library Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:46:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] As you might already be aware, the Public Draft 2 version of the JavaServer Faces specification is now available: http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/download.html with many new and exciting features. The EA4 version of the JavaServer Faces reference implementation is available as part of the Java Web Services Developer Pack 1.2 release (and easily separable for use on other containers): http://java.sun.com/webservices/downloads/webservicespack.html I have updated the Struts-Faces integration library that was previously published, to accomodate the API changes in the new version. Nightly builds of the updated code, starting with the 20030605 version (i.e. tonight) will be available at: http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/ (Versions up through and including 20030604 are for the EA3 release of Faces; wait until tomorrow to grab the updated code.) Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JavaServer Faces and Struts
On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Fedor Smirnoff wrote: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:06:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Fedor Smirnoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces and Struts Oh this is great!! Yes, either they have no idea whats going on or, JSF cam a long way since article was published in April http://www.ftponline.com/javapro/2003_04/magazine/columns/weblication/default.asp Keep in mind that an article published in April (in a print magazine) was fronzen in Februrary ... the nicest thing about the web is that there is no lead time for publishing up to the minute stuff :-). That being said, you can use Struts and JavaServer Faces together quite nicely. I published a library that was compatible with the (previous) EA3 release of JavaServer Faces -- unfortunately, hardware problems have prevented me from publishing the update to work with the just released EA4 version (that will be rectified soon). But the tewo technologies can *definitely* be used together. The following link currently points at code that can only work with the previous JavaServer Faces release -- look for an update announcement soon. http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/struts-faces/ THanks fedor Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Announce: JavaServer Faces Resource Page
I've assembled a JavaServer Faces (JSF) resources page on my website for anyone wanting to learn more about JSF. If you know of anything I've missed, let me know. http://www.jamesholmes.com/JavaServerFaces -James - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available
what is struts faces? -Original Message- From: Alexandre Jaquet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:48 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available Ok Thanks Craig. -- Alexandre Jaquet - Original Message - From: Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Alexandre Jaquet wrote: Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:53:48 +0100 From: Alexandre Jaquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available Hi Craig, You didn't release any other struts-faces ? Why have you remove it from http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/ ? Thanks. Oops ... the server cleans out old nightly build files for me. I thought my nightly build script was building this every night -- I'll fix that forthwith. Nothing has changed in this code yet, so the next nightly will be the same as the original one in terms of functionality. The only changes will be responses to bug reports (if any). -- Alexandre Jaquet Craig - Original Message - From: Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, alexj wrote: Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 05:30:52 +0100 From: alexj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available You don't have permission to access /builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/jakarta-struts-faces-20030306.ta r.gz on this server. sniff :( Just caught and fixed ... please try again :-) -- Alexandre Jaquet Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, copy or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient, is prohibited. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, facsimile or telephone and thereafter delete the material from any computer. The New Africa Capital Group, its subsidiaries or associates do not accept liability for any personal views expressed in this message. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available
Early implementation of Java Server Face component using Struts framework http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg62211.ht ml Nico. what is struts faces? -Original Message- From: Alexandre Jaquet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:48 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available Ok Thanks Craig. -- Alexandre Jaquet - Original Message - From: Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Alexandre Jaquet wrote: Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:53:48 +0100 From: Alexandre Jaquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available Hi Craig, You didn't release any other struts-faces ? Why have you remove it from http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/ ? Thanks. Oops ... the server cleans out old nightly build files for me. I thought my nightly build script was building this every night -- I'll fix that forthwith. Nothing has changed in this code yet, so the next nightly will be the same as the original one in terms of functionality. The only changes will be responses to bug reports (if any). -- Alexandre Jaquet Craig - Original Message - From: Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, alexj wrote: Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 05:30:52 +0100 From: alexj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available You don't have permission to access /builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/jakarta-struts-faces-20030 306.ta r.gz on this server. sniff :( Just caught and fixed ... please try again :-) -- Alexandre Jaquet Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, copy or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient, is prohibited. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, facsimile or telephone and thereafter delete the material from any computer. The New Africa Capital Group, its subsidiaries or associates do not accept liability for any personal views expressed in this message. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available
A good place to start http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/index.html -Original Message- From: Butt, Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 March 2003 10:17 To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available what is struts faces? -Original Message- From: Alexandre Jaquet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:48 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available Ok Thanks Craig. -- Alexandre Jaquet - Original Message - From: Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Alexandre Jaquet wrote: Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:53:48 +0100 From: Alexandre Jaquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available Hi Craig, You didn't release any other struts-faces ? Why have you remove it from http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/ ? Thanks. Oops ... the server cleans out old nightly build files for me. I thought my nightly build script was building this every night -- I'll fix that forthwith. Nothing has changed in this code yet, so the next nightly will be the same as the original one in terms of functionality. The only changes will be responses to bug reports (if any). -- Alexandre Jaquet Craig - Original Message - From: Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, alexj wrote: Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 05:30:52 +0100 From: alexj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available You don't have permission to access /builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/jakarta-struts-faces-20030306.ta r.gz on this server. sniff :( Just caught and fixed ... please try again :-) -- Alexandre Jaquet Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, copy or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient, is prohibited. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, facsimile or telephone and thereafter delete the material from any computer. The New Africa Capital Group, its subsidiaries or associates do not accept liability for any personal views expressed in this message. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- EarlyAccess Version Now Available
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Alexandre Jaquet wrote: Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:53:48 +0100 From: Alexandre Jaquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available Hi Craig, You didn't release any other struts-faces ? Why have you remove it from http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/ ? Thanks. Oops ... the server cleans out old nightly build files for me. I thought my nightly build script was building this every night -- I'll fix that forthwith. Nothing has changed in this code yet, so the next nightly will be the same as the original one in terms of functionality. The only changes will be responses to bug reports (if any). -- Alexandre Jaquet Craig - Original Message - From: Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, alexj wrote: Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 05:30:52 +0100 From: alexj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available You don't have permission to access /builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/jakarta-struts-faces-20030306.ta r.gz on this server. sniff :( Just caught and fixed ... please try again :-) -- Alexandre Jaquet Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available
Ok Thanks Craig. -- Alexandre Jaquet - Original Message - From: Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Alexandre Jaquet wrote: Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:53:48 +0100 From: Alexandre Jaquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available Hi Craig, You didn't release any other struts-faces ? Why have you remove it from http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/ ? Thanks. Oops ... the server cleans out old nightly build files for me. I thought my nightly build script was building this every night -- I'll fix that forthwith. Nothing has changed in this code yet, so the next nightly will be the same as the original one in terms of functionality. The only changes will be responses to bug reports (if any). -- Alexandre Jaquet Craig - Original Message - From: Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, alexj wrote: Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 05:30:52 +0100 From: alexj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available You don't have permission to access /builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/jakarta-struts-faces-20030306.ta r.gz on this server. sniff :( Just caught and fixed ... please try again :-) -- Alexandre Jaquet Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JavaServer Faces
Um... I haven't started with Struts yet, but this sounds pretty familiar... Can someone give me the low-down on why I would choose Struts over JavaServer Faces? Or, am I missing something and they're not really related... Thanks, Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: JavaServer Faces
You'll probably hear this from a lot of people ... Java Server Faces isn't in the same solution space as Struts. JSF is a UI toolkit, while Struts is a web application framework, which includes a tag library implementing basic UI elements. This tag library can easily be replaced to use a different UI toolkit, such as WML (which I've posted to Bugzilla) or JSF, which Craig posted on this very mailing list within the past few days. In fact, Craig has stated his belief that eventually the Struts UI tag library will vanish completely in favor of JSF in pretty much the same way that the bean and logic tag libraries seem to be vanishing in favor of JSTL. (Tangent #1: what happens when Craig's contrib/workflow project turns into something real?) So your second guess was more nearly correct in that they're not really related. The product that is more directly substituable for Struts and carries Sun's name on it is (I believe) Sun ONE Application Framework. +Mitchell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: JavaServer Faces Um... I haven't started with Struts yet, but this sounds pretty familiar... Can someone give me the low-down on why I would choose Struts over JavaServer Faces? Or, am I missing something and they're not really related... Thanks, Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: JavaServer Faces
-Original Message- From: Mitchell Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: JavaServer Faces You'll probably hear this from a lot of people ... Java Server Faces isn't in the same solution space as Struts. JSF is a UI toolkit, while Struts is a web application framework, which includes a tag library implementing basic UI elements. This tag library can easily be replaced to use a different UI toolkit, such as WML (which I've posted to Bugzilla) or JSF, which Craig posted on this very mailing list within the past few days. In fact, Craig has stated his belief that eventually the Struts UI tag library will vanish completely in favor of JSF in pretty much the same way that the bean and logic tag libraries seem to be vanishing in favor of JSTL. (Tangent #1: what happens when Craig's contrib/workflow project turns into something real?) So your second guess was more nearly correct in that they're not really related. The product that is more directly substituable for Struts and carries Sun's name on it is (I believe) Sun ONE Application Framework. +Mitchell So, JSF ActionListeners are not Struts Actions? Thanks, Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: JavaServer Faces
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:59:25 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: JavaServer Faces -Original Message- From: Mitchell Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: JavaServer Faces You'll probably hear this from a lot of people ... Java Server Faces isn't in the same solution space as Struts. JSF is a UI toolkit, while Struts is a web application framework, which includes a tag library implementing basic UI elements. This tag library can easily be replaced to use a different UI toolkit, such as WML (which I've posted to Bugzilla) or JSF, which Craig posted on this very mailing list within the past few days. In fact, Craig has stated his belief that eventually the Struts UI tag library will vanish completely in favor of JSF in pretty much the same way that the bean and logic tag libraries seem to be vanishing in favor of JSTL. (Tangent #1: what happens when Craig's contrib/workflow project turns into something real?) So your second guess was more nearly correct in that they're not really related. The product that is more directly substituable for Struts and carries Sun's name on it is (I believe) Sun ONE Application Framework. +Mitchell So, JSF ActionListeners are not Struts Actions? Well, they *can* be :-). That's basically what I did in the Struts+Faces integration library -- created a JSF ApplicationHandler that then links you to traditional Struts actions. http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/ Thanks, Michael Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available
Introducing new functionality in release candidates? That doesn't seem appropriate to me! ;-) -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available I'm happy to announce the immediate availability of an integration library that allows you to use the recently published EA3 release of JavaServer Faces http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/ with a recent Struts build (nightly build 20030216 or later, or the upcoming 1.1-rc2 or final release). Nightly builds of this package are available at: http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/ The sources for this package are in the contrib/struts-faces subdirectory of the jakarta-struts CVS repository. You should take note of the following important points: * The design goal of this library was to allow Struts application developers to migrate the view tier of their applications from the existing Struts tags, to pages that use corresponding JavaServer Faces component tags, with no changes to the corresponding business logic. This goal has been substantially achieved for simple applications so far; additional work will be necessary for more advanced apps. As a proof of concept, the JavaServer Faces based version of the canonical struts-example web application is included in the distribution, so that you can see for yourself how little had to be changed. * The integration library has been tested under Tomcat 4.1.18 and the Java Web Services Developer Pack (version 1.0_01), although in principle it should run on any Servlet 2.3/JSP 1.2 container. (It will not run on Servlet 2.2/JSP 1.1 containers). * There is a known issue when trying to run JavaServer Faces EA3 under the recently released Java Web Services Developer Pack (version 1.1). Watch the JavaServer Faces web page (at the URL listed above) for up-to-date information on workarounds. * The JavaServer Faces distribution is an EA release, not suitable for use in production environments. In addition, the license terms under which it can be downloaded prohibit redistribution. Therefore, you will need to download your own copy of JavaServer Faces EA3 and integrate it with the example application before it can be deployed. * The integration library should also be considered to be of alpha quality, not suitable for production use. There are a set of known issues and limitations at the bottom of the README.txt file. Please file bugs against this package in the usual Bugzilla location: http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/ * For generic questions about JavaServer Faces (i.e. not related to this integration library), your best resource is the JavaServer Faces forum (free registration required) at: http://forum.java.sun.com/forum.jsp?forum=427 See the README.txt file in the top-level subdirectory for more information about installing and using this release. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available
You are quite opinionated for someone who didn't read the whole e-mail. Read a bit closer this time... The sources for this package are in the contrib/struts-faces subdirectory of the jakarta-struts CVS repository. -- James Mitchell Software Developer/Struts Evangelist http://struts.sourceforge.net/struts-atlanta/ - Original Message - From: Etienne Labonté [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 2:57 PM Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available Introducing new functionality in release candidates? That doesn't seem appropriate to me! ;-) -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available I'm happy to announce the immediate availability of an integration library that allows you to use the recently published EA3 release of JavaServer Faces http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/ with a recent Struts build (nightly build 20030216 or later, or the upcoming 1.1-rc2 or final release). Nightly builds of this package are available at: http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/ The sources for this package are in the contrib/struts-faces subdirectory of the jakarta-struts CVS repository. You should take note of the following important points: * The design goal of this library was to allow Struts application developers to migrate the view tier of their applications from the existing Struts tags, to pages that use corresponding JavaServer Faces component tags, with no changes to the corresponding business logic. This goal has been substantially achieved for simple applications so far; additional work will be necessary for more advanced apps. As a proof of concept, the JavaServer Faces based version of the canonical struts-example web application is included in the distribution, so that you can see for yourself how little had to be changed. * The integration library has been tested under Tomcat 4.1.18 and the Java Web Services Developer Pack (version 1.0_01), although in principle it should run on any Servlet 2.3/JSP 1.2 container. (It will not run on Servlet 2.2/JSP 1.1 containers). * There is a known issue when trying to run JavaServer Faces EA3 under the recently released Java Web Services Developer Pack (version 1.1). Watch the JavaServer Faces web page (at the URL listed above) for up-to-date information on workarounds. * The JavaServer Faces distribution is an EA release, not suitable for use in production environments. In addition, the license terms under which it can be downloaded prohibit redistribution. Therefore, you will need to download your own copy of JavaServer Faces EA3 and integrate it with the example application before it can be deployed. * The integration library should also be considered to be of alpha quality, not suitable for production use. There are a set of known issues and limitations at the bottom of the README.txt file. Please file bugs against this package in the usual Bugzilla location: http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/ * For generic questions about JavaServer Faces (i.e. not related to this integration library), your best resource is the JavaServer Faces forum (free registration required) at: http://forum.java.sun.com/forum.jsp?forum=427 See the README.txt file in the top-level subdirectory for more information about installing and using this release. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available
Oops, I just noticed your ;-), guess I should read the whole e-mail next time :P -- James Mitchell Software Developer/Struts Evangelist http://struts.sourceforge.net/struts-atlanta/ - Original Message - From: Etienne Labonté [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 2:57 PM Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available Introducing new functionality in release candidates? That doesn't seem appropriate to me! ;-) -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available I'm happy to announce the immediate availability of an integration library that allows you to use the recently published EA3 release of JavaServer Faces http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/ with a recent Struts build (nightly build 20030216 or later, or the upcoming 1.1-rc2 or final release). Nightly builds of this package are available at: http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/ The sources for this package are in the contrib/struts-faces subdirectory of the jakarta-struts CVS repository. You should take note of the following important points: * The design goal of this library was to allow Struts application developers to migrate the view tier of their applications from the existing Struts tags, to pages that use corresponding JavaServer Faces component tags, with no changes to the corresponding business logic. This goal has been substantially achieved for simple applications so far; additional work will be necessary for more advanced apps. As a proof of concept, the JavaServer Faces based version of the canonical struts-example web application is included in the distribution, so that you can see for yourself how little had to be changed. * The integration library has been tested under Tomcat 4.1.18 and the Java Web Services Developer Pack (version 1.0_01), although in principle it should run on any Servlet 2.3/JSP 1.2 container. (It will not run on Servlet 2.2/JSP 1.1 containers). * There is a known issue when trying to run JavaServer Faces EA3 under the recently released Java Web Services Developer Pack (version 1.1). Watch the JavaServer Faces web page (at the URL listed above) for up-to-date information on workarounds. * The JavaServer Faces distribution is an EA release, not suitable for use in production environments. In addition, the license terms under which it can be downloaded prohibit redistribution. Therefore, you will need to download your own copy of JavaServer Faces EA3 and integrate it with the example application before it can be deployed. * The integration library should also be considered to be of alpha quality, not suitable for production use. There are a set of known issues and limitations at the bottom of the README.txt file. Please file bugs against this package in the usual Bugzilla location: http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/ * For generic questions about JavaServer Faces (i.e. not related to this integration library), your best resource is the JavaServer Faces forum (free registration required) at: http://forum.java.sun.com/forum.jsp?forum=427 See the README.txt file in the top-level subdirectory for more information about installing and using this release. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Etienne Labonté wrote: Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:57:31 -0500 From: Etienne Labonté [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Ear ly Access Version Now Available Introducing new functionality in release candidates? That doesn't seem appropriate to me! ;-) It is not (and will not be) in the Struts distribution -- it is a separate package :-). Craig -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available I'm happy to announce the immediate availability of an integration library that allows you to use the recently published EA3 release of JavaServer Faces http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/ with a recent Struts build (nightly build 20030216 or later, or the upcoming 1.1-rc2 or final release). Nightly builds of this package are available at: http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/ The sources for this package are in the contrib/struts-faces subdirectory of the jakarta-struts CVS repository. You should take note of the following important points: * The design goal of this library was to allow Struts application developers to migrate the view tier of their applications from the existing Struts tags, to pages that use corresponding JavaServer Faces component tags, with no changes to the corresponding business logic. This goal has been substantially achieved for simple applications so far; additional work will be necessary for more advanced apps. As a proof of concept, the JavaServer Faces based version of the canonical struts-example web application is included in the distribution, so that you can see for yourself how little had to be changed. * The integration library has been tested under Tomcat 4.1.18 and the Java Web Services Developer Pack (version 1.0_01), although in principle it should run on any Servlet 2.3/JSP 1.2 container. (It will not run on Servlet 2.2/JSP 1.1 containers). * There is a known issue when trying to run JavaServer Faces EA3 under the recently released Java Web Services Developer Pack (version 1.1). Watch the JavaServer Faces web page (at the URL listed above) for up-to-date information on workarounds. * The JavaServer Faces distribution is an EA release, not suitable for use in production environments. In addition, the license terms under which it can be downloaded prohibit redistribution. Therefore, you will need to download your own copy of JavaServer Faces EA3 and integrate it with the example application before it can be deployed. * The integration library should also be considered to be of alpha quality, not suitable for production use. There are a set of known issues and limitations at the bottom of the README.txt file. Please file bugs against this package in the usual Bugzilla location: http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/ * For generic questions about JavaServer Faces (i.e. not related to this integration library), your best resource is the JavaServer Faces forum (free registration required) at: http://forum.java.sun.com/forum.jsp?forum=427 See the README.txt file in the top-level subdirectory for more information about installing and using this release. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available
My fault, I should have added Nice work Mr. McClanahan! instead of relying on the emoticon... Still, I think many people could consider the whole Struts bundle as one Struts product. The line is a bit blury. They are going to look for Struts 1.1 support when in fact they would need support on one particular contribution. -Original Message- From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:04 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available Oops, I just noticed your ;-), guess I should read the whole e-mail next time :P -- James Mitchell Software Developer/Struts Evangelist http://struts.sourceforge.net/struts-atlanta/ - Original Message - From: Etienne Labonté [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 2:57 PM Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available Introducing new functionality in release candidates? That doesn't seem appropriate to me! ;-) -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available I'm happy to announce the immediate availability of an integration library that allows you to use the recently published EA3 release of JavaServer Faces http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/ with a recent Struts build (nightly build 20030216 or later, or the upcoming 1.1-rc2 or final release). Nightly builds of this package are available at: http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/ The sources for this package are in the contrib/struts-faces subdirectory of the jakarta-struts CVS repository. You should take note of the following important points: * The design goal of this library was to allow Struts application developers to migrate the view tier of their applications from the existing Struts tags, to pages that use corresponding JavaServer Faces component tags, with no changes to the corresponding business logic. This goal has been substantially achieved for simple applications so far; additional work will be necessary for more advanced apps. As a proof of concept, the JavaServer Faces based version of the canonical struts-example web application is included in the distribution, so that you can see for yourself how little had to be changed. * The integration library has been tested under Tomcat 4.1.18 and the Java Web Services Developer Pack (version 1.0_01), although in principle it should run on any Servlet 2.3/JSP 1.2 container. (It will not run on Servlet 2.2/JSP 1.1 containers). * There is a known issue when trying to run JavaServer Faces EA3 under the recently released Java Web Services Developer Pack (version 1.1). Watch the JavaServer Faces web page (at the URL listed above) for up-to-date information on workarounds. * The JavaServer Faces distribution is an EA release, not suitable for use in production environments. In addition, the license terms under which it can be downloaded prohibit redistribution. Therefore, you will need to download your own copy of JavaServer Faces EA3 and integrate it with the example application before it can be deployed. * The integration library should also be considered to be of alpha quality, not suitable for production use. There are a set of known issues and limitations at the bottom of the README.txt file. Please file bugs against this package in the usual Bugzilla location: http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/ * For generic questions about JavaServer Faces (i.e. not related to this integration library), your best resource is the JavaServer Faces forum (free registration required) at: http://forum.java.sun.com/forum.jsp?forum=427 See the README.txt file in the top-level subdirectory for more information about installing and using this release. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JavaServer Faces - Is it OK to use it now?
Hello, I'm beginning a new Struts-based web application project and I would really like to use JavaServer Pages in it. I know that there are notices recommending not to use the current early access implementation for production environments. I am just beginning this project so I'm thinking it will take me about a month or a little more to finish it. Would you recommend me to use JavaServer Faces in this project? Do you think it is likely that there will be another early access release that is more suitable for production environments in this time frame? Thanks, Mete - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JavaServer Faces - Is it OK to use it now?
JSF isn't final yet so I wouldn't use it for any production projects. David From: Mete Kural [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: JavaServer Faces - Is it OK to use it now? Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:39:19 + Hello, I'm beginning a new Struts-based web application project and I would really like to use JavaServer Pages in it. I know that there are notices recommending not to use the current early access implementation for production environments. I am just beginning this project so I'm thinking it will take me about a month or a little more to finish it. Would you recommend me to use JavaServer Faces in this project? Do you think it is likely that there will be another early access release that is more suitable for production environments in this time frame? Thanks, Mete - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JavaServer Faces - Is it OK to use it now?
Thanks for you advice. Do you have any vague estimates on how long it will take JSF to become suitable for Struts-based production applications? a) 2-3 months b) 4-6 months c) 6-12 months d) more than 1 year Thanks, Mete - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available
-Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm happy to announce the immediate availability of an integration library that allows you to use the recently published EA3 release of JavaServer Faces http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/ with a recent Struts build (nightly build 20030216 or later, or the upcoming 1.1-rc2 or final release). Nightly builds of this package are available at: *CONGRATULATIONS* ---- * The design goal of this library was to allow Struts application developers to migrate the view tier of their applications from the existing Struts tags, to pages that use corresponding JavaServer Faces component tags, with no changes to the corresponding business logic. This goal has been substantially achieved for simple applications so far; additional work will be necessary for more advanced apps. As a proof of concept, the JavaServer Faces based version of the canonical struts-example web application is included in the distribution, so that you can see for yourself how little had to be changed. Are the Struts tags including the Struts-EL going to deprecated? Some applications in production will still use these tags, especially for this concise XML writing forms, even though they are JSTL. What is the future of custom tags in Struts? Will you off-load them to the JSTL and third party altogether or do intend to support just a small subset like the Tiles and Validations tags. ---- * The JavaServer Faces distribution is an EA release, not suitable for use in production environments. In addition, the license terms under which it can be downloaded prohibit redistribution. Therefore, you will need to download your own copy of JavaServer Faces EA3 and integrate it with the example application before it can be deployed. ---- So it is not production ready. But it is exciting to see something now. In Expresso we also have legacy tag libs, which really be upgraded to JSTL and Expression Language support. So I be interested in your views on the tag lib issues. BTW: I got a Expresso Framework working Struts 1.1 beta 3 successfully. I decided to use a plug-in and request processor configured from XML config instead. It is a lot less hastle, and easy to write a README document with instructions. -- Peter Pilgrim, Struts/J2EE Consultant, RBoS FM, Risk IT Tel: +44 (0)207-375-4923 Visit our Internet site at http://www.rbsmarkets.com This e-mail is intended only for the addressee named above. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee, you are not authorised to retain, read, copy or disseminate this message or any part of it. The Royal Bank of Scotland plc is registered in Scotland No 90312 Registered Office: 36 St Andrew Square, Edinburgh EH2 2YB Regulated by the Financial Services Authority - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available
rhooo :) -- Alexandre Jaquet - Original Message - From: Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 5:17 AM Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available I'm happy to announce the immediate availability of an integration library that allows you to use the recently published EA3 release of JavaServer Faces http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/ with a recent Struts build (nightly build 20030216 or later, or the upcoming 1.1-rc2 or final release). Nightly builds of this package are available at: http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/ The sources for this package are in the contrib/struts-faces subdirectory of the jakarta-struts CVS repository. You should take note of the following important points: * The design goal of this library was to allow Struts application developers to migrate the view tier of their applications from the existing Struts tags, to pages that use corresponding JavaServer Faces component tags, with no changes to the corresponding business logic. This goal has been substantially achieved for simple applications so far; additional work will be necessary for more advanced apps. As a proof of concept, the JavaServer Faces based version of the canonical struts-example web application is included in the distribution, so that you can see for yourself how little had to be changed. * The integration library has been tested under Tomcat 4.1.18 and the Java Web Services Developer Pack (version 1.0_01), although in principle it should run on any Servlet 2.3/JSP 1.2 container. (It will not run on Servlet 2.2/JSP 1.1 containers). * There is a known issue when trying to run JavaServer Faces EA3 under the recently released Java Web Services Developer Pack (version 1.1). Watch the JavaServer Faces web page (at the URL listed above) for up-to-date information on workarounds. * The JavaServer Faces distribution is an EA release, not suitable for use in production environments. In addition, the license terms under which it can be downloaded prohibit redistribution. Therefore, you will need to download your own copy of JavaServer Faces EA3 and integrate it with the example application before it can be deployed. * The integration library should also be considered to be of alpha quality, not suitable for production use. There are a set of known issues and limitations at the bottom of the README.txt file. Please file bugs against this package in the usual Bugzilla location: http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/ * For generic questions about JavaServer Faces (i.e. not related to this integration library), your best resource is the JavaServer Faces forum (free registration required) at: http://forum.java.sun.com/forum.jsp?forum=427 See the README.txt file in the top-level subdirectory for more information about installing and using this release. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available
You don't have permission to access /builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/jakarta-struts-faces-20030306.ta r.gz on this server. sniff :( -- Alexandre Jaquet - Original Message - From: Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 5:17 AM Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available I'm happy to announce the immediate availability of an integration library that allows you to use the recently published EA3 release of JavaServer Faces http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/ with a recent Struts build (nightly build 20030216 or later, or the upcoming 1.1-rc2 or final release). Nightly builds of this package are available at: http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/ The sources for this package are in the contrib/struts-faces subdirectory of the jakarta-struts CVS repository. You should take note of the following important points: * The design goal of this library was to allow Struts application developers to migrate the view tier of their applications from the existing Struts tags, to pages that use corresponding JavaServer Faces component tags, with no changes to the corresponding business logic. This goal has been substantially achieved for simple applications so far; additional work will be necessary for more advanced apps. As a proof of concept, the JavaServer Faces based version of the canonical struts-example web application is included in the distribution, so that you can see for yourself how little had to be changed. * The integration library has been tested under Tomcat 4.1.18 and the Java Web Services Developer Pack (version 1.0_01), although in principle it should run on any Servlet 2.3/JSP 1.2 container. (It will not run on Servlet 2.2/JSP 1.1 containers). * There is a known issue when trying to run JavaServer Faces EA3 under the recently released Java Web Services Developer Pack (version 1.1). Watch the JavaServer Faces web page (at the URL listed above) for up-to-date information on workarounds. * The JavaServer Faces distribution is an EA release, not suitable for use in production environments. In addition, the license terms under which it can be downloaded prohibit redistribution. Therefore, you will need to download your own copy of JavaServer Faces EA3 and integrate it with the example application before it can be deployed. * The integration library should also be considered to be of alpha quality, not suitable for production use. There are a set of known issues and limitations at the bottom of the README.txt file. Please file bugs against this package in the usual Bugzilla location: http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/ * For generic questions about JavaServer Faces (i.e. not related to this integration library), your best resource is the JavaServer Faces forum (free registration required) at: http://forum.java.sun.com/forum.jsp?forum=427 See the README.txt file in the top-level subdirectory for more information about installing and using this release. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available
What about the Digester Bug in EA3? | -Original Message- | From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:17 PM | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early | Access Version Now Available | | I'm happy to announce the immediate availability of an integration library | that allows you to use the recently published EA3 release of JavaServer | Faces http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/ with a recent Struts | build (nightly build 20030216 or later, or the upcoming 1.1-rc2 or final | release). Nightly builds of this package are available at: | | http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/ | | The sources for this package are in the contrib/struts-faces | subdirectory of the jakarta-struts CVS repository. | | You should take note of the following important points: | | * The design goal of this library was to allow Struts application | developers to migrate the view tier of their applications from the | existing Struts tags, to pages that use corresponding JavaServer Faces | component tags, with no changes to the corresponding business logic. | This goal has been substantially achieved for simple applications | so far; additional work will be necessary for more advanced apps. | As a proof of concept, the JavaServer Faces based version of the | canonical struts-example web application is included in the | distribution, so that you can see for yourself how little had to be | changed. | | * The integration library has been tested under Tomcat 4.1.18 and | the Java Web Services Developer Pack (version 1.0_01), although in | principle it should run on any Servlet 2.3/JSP 1.2 container. | (It will not run on Servlet 2.2/JSP 1.1 containers). | | * There is a known issue when trying to run JavaServer Faces EA3 | under the recently released Java Web Services Developer Pack | (version 1.1). Watch the JavaServer Faces web page (at the URL | listed above) for up-to-date information on workarounds. | | * The JavaServer Faces distribution is an EA release, not suitable for | use in production environments. In addition, the license terms | under which it can be downloaded prohibit redistribution. Therefore, | you will need to download your own copy of JavaServer Faces EA3 and | integrate it with the example application before it can be deployed. | | * The integration library should also be considered to be of alpha | quality, not suitable for production use. There are a set of known | issues and limitations at the bottom of the README.txt file. Please | file bugs against this package in the usual Bugzilla location: | | http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/ | | * For generic questions about JavaServer Faces (i.e. not related to this | integration library), your best resource is the JavaServer Faces forum | (free registration required) at: | | http://forum.java.sun.com/forum.jsp?forum=427 | | See the README.txt file in the top-level subdirectory for more information | about installing and using this release. | | Craig McClanahan | | | - | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available
yep it's ok rigth now :) -- Alexandre Jaquet - Original Message - From: Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 5:17 AM Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Struts-JavaServer Faces Integration Library -- Early Access Version Now Available I'm happy to announce the immediate availability of an integration library that allows you to use the recently published EA3 release of JavaServer Faces http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/ with a recent Struts build (nightly build 20030216 or later, or the upcoming 1.1-rc2 or final release). Nightly builds of this package are available at: http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/ The sources for this package are in the contrib/struts-faces subdirectory of the jakarta-struts CVS repository. You should take note of the following important points: * The design goal of this library was to allow Struts application developers to migrate the view tier of their applications from the existing Struts tags, to pages that use corresponding JavaServer Faces component tags, with no changes to the corresponding business logic. This goal has been substantially achieved for simple applications so far; additional work will be necessary for more advanced apps. As a proof of concept, the JavaServer Faces based version of the canonical struts-example web application is included in the distribution, so that you can see for yourself how little had to be changed. * The integration library has been tested under Tomcat 4.1.18 and the Java Web Services Developer Pack (version 1.0_01), although in principle it should run on any Servlet 2.3/JSP 1.2 container. (It will not run on Servlet 2.2/JSP 1.1 containers). * There is a known issue when trying to run JavaServer Faces EA3 under the recently released Java Web Services Developer Pack (version 1.1). Watch the JavaServer Faces web page (at the URL listed above) for up-to-date information on workarounds. * The JavaServer Faces distribution is an EA release, not suitable for use in production environments. In addition, the license terms under which it can be downloaded prohibit redistribution. Therefore, you will need to download your own copy of JavaServer Faces EA3 and integrate it with the example application before it can be deployed. * The integration library should also be considered to be of alpha quality, not suitable for production use. There are a set of known issues and limitations at the bottom of the README.txt file. Please file bugs against this package in the usual Bugzilla location: http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/ * For generic questions about JavaServer Faces (i.e. not related to this integration library), your best resource is the JavaServer Faces forum (free registration required) at: http://forum.java.sun.com/forum.jsp?forum=427 See the README.txt file in the top-level subdirectory for more information about installing and using this release. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
