Re: Struts & Persistence

[David Derry]

Apparrently some VERY persistent memories though  ;-}


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Subject: Re: Struts & Persistence


> We are talking about struts and persistence? But I am unable to find this
word in
> last five mails except some personal good memories.
>
> Shozi
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Re: Struts & Persistence

[Shozi]

We are talking about struts and persistence? But I am unable to find this word in
last five mails except some personal good memories.

Shozi

Andrew Hill wrote:

> My list:
>
> BBC Micro (which is still fully operational and great for playing
> Defender/Elite/Mr Ee/Repton etc...)
> Amiga 2000 (oh how I miss thee)
> Amiga 1200
> various assorted windoze boxes (who cares. lol)
>
> ahh... I remember the joys of surfing the web on lynx & gopher with a
> 300baud modem
>
> My Beeb only had 'tape drive' (yes. This was a butchered cassette recorder!)
> when I first got it. Would take 10 minutes to load Defender. Later I got a
> 5.25 floppy (80 track too. Not that 40 track Watford DFS rubbish), and even
> later still squandered a fortune to get twin 5.25 floppies, and a monitor.
>
> Hehe, get this, back in early 1999, I had to use a 486 at work to do lotus
> notes programming. I could have 2 windows open at once before it crashed...
>
> Never had a Vic20, but always wanted one to play "Radar Rat Race" with :-)
> Had an Atari2600 console & Pitfall for a while...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nathan Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 06:25
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
> Okay I just have to pipe up because no one has mentioned one of my first
> computers...
>
> Vic 20 -- in high school I saw a barrel of these at an electronics' store
> for $20 each, as is
> ADAM [by Colecovision] -- Who would have thought of a game system add-on
> that was actually a computer with applications [word  processor,
> spreadsheet, database, and BASIC--loaded from the tape drive].
> IBM PC -- I dig those cast iron keyboards, but I hope to never see another
> device that is 4.77MHz [in "turbo"]
> 486DX/33MHz, 4MB RAM, 127MB HDD -- I was the envy of my neighborhood with
> this hot rod.  It was my $3000 HS graduation present!  I later added a tape
> backup, a sound card and a CD-ROM [2x].
> 8088 Laptop -- Just for taking notes in college with a cheesy DOS text
> editor.
> ---
> That is all of my retired computers.  My current ones are so weak I will not
> embarrass myself here [or perhaps I already have :) ].
>
> Nathan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Schantz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:11 PM
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
> Another victim of the Jack Tramiel and family!
>
> Here's my list:
>
> Vic-20
> Atari 800XL
> Atari 1040ST
> Atari 1040Ste
> Atart Mega ST4 (Ok, I was a glutton for punishment!)
> Apple Mac SE
> Apple Quadra 650
> 386
> 486DX/33
> Dual P90
> IBM P166
> Homebuilt PII-400
> Homebuilt PII-866
>
> The list of peripherals would be too long to go into, but I did have a 300
> baud modem, plus accounts on Compuserve, Delphi, GEnie, and BIX.
>
> Brian
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:00 PM
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> >
> >
> > Archeology time! :-)
> >
> > The first computer that I ever used was a Sinclair ZX80. The
> > list that I owned is:
> >
> > Sinclair ZX81 (w/ 16K RAMPAK)
> > Sinclair ZX Spectrum (48K!)
> > Acorn/BBC Micro
> > Atari ST
> > HP 486 PC
> > Noname 386 PC (long story)
> > WinBook Pentium 266MHz
> > Macintosh dual 550MHz G4 tower! :-)
> >
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >From: Melissa L Kelley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:53 PM
> > >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > >Subject: Re: Struts & Persistence
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >The Apple //e was my 5th computer, but I got it only a year or
> > >so ago. The
> > >rare times I had access to a computer when I was younger,
> > this was the
> > >one, and typically it was to play games. I keep thinking that
> > >I'm going to
> > >do something incredibly cool with it, but so far it just sits in my
> > >library.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--> stu: www.stuology.net
> > >It just no longer is plain simple safe fun
> > >when it's the psycho chimp that has the ray gun
> > >
> > >Stuology -- A million monkeys can't be wrong
> > >
> > >
> > >>On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Daniel

RE: Struts & Persistence

[Andrew Hill]

My list:

BBC Micro (which is still fully operational and great for playing
Defender/Elite/Mr Ee/Repton etc...)
Amiga 2000 (oh how I miss thee)
Amiga 1200
various assorted windoze boxes (who cares. lol)

ahh... I remember the joys of surfing the web on lynx & gopher with a
300baud modem

My Beeb only had 'tape drive' (yes. This was a butchered cassette recorder!)
when I first got it. Would take 10 minutes to load Defender. Later I got a
5.25 floppy (80 track too. Not that 40 track Watford DFS rubbish), and even
later still squandered a fortune to get twin 5.25 floppies, and a monitor.

Hehe, get this, back in early 1999, I had to use a 486 at work to do lotus
notes programming. I could have 2 windows open at once before it crashed...

Never had a Vic20, but always wanted one to play "Radar Rat Race" with :-)
Had an Atari2600 console & Pitfall for a while...

-Original Message-
From: Nathan Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 06:25
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence


Okay I just have to pipe up because no one has mentioned one of my first
computers...

Vic 20 -- in high school I saw a barrel of these at an electronics' store
for $20 each, as is
ADAM [by Colecovision] -- Who would have thought of a game system add-on
that was actually a computer with applications [word  processor,
spreadsheet, database, and BASIC--loaded from the tape drive].
IBM PC -- I dig those cast iron keyboards, but I hope to never see another
device that is 4.77MHz [in "turbo"]
486DX/33MHz, 4MB RAM, 127MB HDD -- I was the envy of my neighborhood with
this hot rod.  It was my $3000 HS graduation present!  I later added a tape
backup, a sound card and a CD-ROM [2x].
8088 Laptop -- Just for taking notes in college with a cheesy DOS text
editor.
---
That is all of my retired computers.  My current ones are so weak I will not
embarrass myself here [or perhaps I already have :) ].

Nathan

-Original Message-
From: Brian Schantz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:11 PM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence


Another victim of the Jack Tramiel and family!

Here's my list:

Vic-20
Atari 800XL
Atari 1040ST
Atari 1040Ste
Atart Mega ST4 (Ok, I was a glutton for punishment!)
Apple Mac SE
Apple Quadra 650
386
486DX/33
Dual P90
IBM P166
Homebuilt PII-400
Homebuilt PII-866

The list of peripherals would be too long to go into, but I did have a 300
baud modem, plus accounts on Compuserve, Delphi, GEnie, and BIX.

Brian

> -Original Message-
> From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:00 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
>
> Archeology time! :-)
>
> The first computer that I ever used was a Sinclair ZX80. The
> list that I owned is:
>
> Sinclair ZX81 (w/ 16K RAMPAK)
> Sinclair ZX Spectrum (48K!)
> Acorn/BBC Micro
> Atari ST
> HP 486 PC
> Noname 386 PC (long story)
> WinBook Pentium 266MHz
> Macintosh dual 550MHz G4 tower! :-)
>
> Simon
>
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Melissa L Kelley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:53 PM
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >Subject: Re: Struts & Persistence
> >
> >
> >
> >The Apple //e was my 5th computer, but I got it only a year or
> >so ago. The
> >rare times I had access to a computer when I was younger,
> this was the
> >one, and typically it was to play games. I keep thinking that
> >I'm going to
> >do something incredibly cool with it, but so far it just sits in my
> >library.
> >
> >
> >
> >--> stu: www.stuology.net
> >It just no longer is plain simple safe fun
> >when it's the psycho chimp that has the ray gun
> >
> >Stuology -- A million monkeys can't be wrong
> >
> >
> >>On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Daniel Jaffa wrote:
> >
> >> Oh my god, i have not though of
> >> that game in about 23 - 25 years.  That was
> >> my favorite game when i was younger.
> >>
> >> My first Machine was an Apple 2e, with two 5.25 disk drives.
> >>
> >> the time before mice
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Bartley, Chris P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:14 PM
> >> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> >>
> >>
> >> > Ahhh, the good ol' C-64 tape drive.  I remember not
> >mindi

RE: Struts & Persistence

[Robert Morse]

Man walks upright
...
8" Floppies
Pertec D3000 (5 Mb fixed, 5 Mb removable)
MITS Altair S-100 Bus (I still have this!)
...
Wheel Invented!
...
IMSAI
Link-8
Alpha-Micro
...
Industrial Revolution begins!
...
360-30
...
Man takes flight!
...
Every PDP-XX
Every DG computer known to man (I'm still in therapy because of this)
VAX
...
Motorola 68000 Exormacs
More PCs than I can remember
Sequent
And even more PCs

-Original Message-
From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:24 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence




On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, James Mitchell wrote:

> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:43:58 -0400
> From: James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
> HAHAHAYes, and that's fine if you're not trying to backup 17
> Gigsheesh.
>



I'm old enough to remember being absolutely giddy over the
amount of space available on my first hard disk drive -- ten whole
*mega*bytes!  Whatever would I do with all of that space?



Craig


> James "Sasquatch on crack" Mitchell
> Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
> Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
> http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
>
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:37 AM
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: Struts & Persistence
> >
> >
> > James Mitchell wrote:
> >
> > >>(James) Get that Linux box up?!  :-)
> > >>
> > >LOL..no I started consolidating my Laptop HD and noticed
> > that I didn't
> > >have enough room on my file server to backup what I had.  So I'll have
to
> > >either get another 80 Gig or take the time to go through and
> > delete all that
> > >Free Software I seem to keep collecting.
> > >
> > >Hey, I wonder what 'format c:\' does.  Oh SHI#!!!  STOP STOP STO
> > >
> > Ever heard of CD-R/CD-RW?  They really are quite handy :-)  ... and
> > CD-R/Ws (disks and writers too) are really quite cheap!
> >
> >
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RE: Struts & Persistence

[Nathan Anderson]

Okay I just have to pipe up because no one has mentioned one of my first
computers...

Vic 20 -- in high school I saw a barrel of these at an electronics' store
for $20 each, as is
ADAM [by Colecovision] -- Who would have thought of a game system add-on
that was actually a computer with applications [word  processor,
spreadsheet, database, and BASIC--loaded from the tape drive].
IBM PC -- I dig those cast iron keyboards, but I hope to never see another
device that is 4.77MHz [in "turbo"]
486DX/33MHz, 4MB RAM, 127MB HDD -- I was the envy of my neighborhood with
this hot rod.  It was my $3000 HS graduation present!  I later added a tape
backup, a sound card and a CD-ROM [2x].
8088 Laptop -- Just for taking notes in college with a cheesy DOS text
editor.
---
That is all of my retired computers.  My current ones are so weak I will not
embarrass myself here [or perhaps I already have :) ].

Nathan

-Original Message-
From: Brian Schantz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:11 PM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence


Another victim of the Jack Tramiel and family!

Here's my list:

Vic-20
Atari 800XL
Atari 1040ST
Atari 1040Ste
Atart Mega ST4 (Ok, I was a glutton for punishment!)
Apple Mac SE
Apple Quadra 650
386
486DX/33
Dual P90
IBM P166
Homebuilt PII-400
Homebuilt PII-866

The list of peripherals would be too long to go into, but I did have a 300
baud modem, plus accounts on Compuserve, Delphi, GEnie, and BIX.

Brian

> -Original Message-
> From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:00 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
>
> Archeology time! :-)
>
> The first computer that I ever used was a Sinclair ZX80. The
> list that I owned is:
>
> Sinclair ZX81 (w/ 16K RAMPAK)
> Sinclair ZX Spectrum (48K!)
> Acorn/BBC Micro
> Atari ST
> HP 486 PC
> Noname 386 PC (long story)
> WinBook Pentium 266MHz
> Macintosh dual 550MHz G4 tower! :-)
>
> Simon
>
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Melissa L Kelley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:53 PM
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >Subject: Re: Struts & Persistence
> >
> >
> >
> >The Apple //e was my 5th computer, but I got it only a year or
> >so ago. The
> >rare times I had access to a computer when I was younger,
> this was the
> >one, and typically it was to play games. I keep thinking that
> >I'm going to
> >do something incredibly cool with it, but so far it just sits in my
> >library.
> >
> >
> >
> >--> stu: www.stuology.net
> >It just no longer is plain simple safe fun
> >when it's the psycho chimp that has the ray gun
> >
> >Stuology -- A million monkeys can't be wrong
> >
> >
> >>On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Daniel Jaffa wrote:
> >
> >> Oh my god, i have not though of
> >> that game in about 23 - 25 years.  That was
> >> my favorite game when i was younger.
> >>
> >> My first Machine was an Apple 2e, with two 5.25 disk drives.
> >>
> >> the time before mice
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Bartley, Chris P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:14 PM
> >> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> >>
> >>
> >> > Ahhh, the good ol' C-64 tape drive.  I remember not
> >minding the 45-60
> >> minute
> >> > wait while Temple of Apshai
> >> > (http://www.cstone.net/~rich/Temple/temple_of_apshai.html)
> >loaded...i'd go
> >> > have dinner, and by the time i was done eating i could
> >play the game.  :)
> >> >
> >> > I guess Rational Rose would be my present-day
> >analog...time-wise that is,
> >> > certainly not enjoyment-wise...i only use that beast if i
> >have to!  ;)
> >> >
> >> > chris
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: Struts & Persistence

[Nelson, Tracy (ETW)]

| From: Melissa L Kelley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
| Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
|
| I have only seen punch cards in a museum though ;)

Boy, did you miss out!  I remember one night a couple of us went into the
keypunch room on campus and dumped all the "chad" (punches) from the bins in
the 029s and then snuck into the steam tunnels to where a maintenance crew
had left a ventilator fan running.  Roll your own blizzard!

Cheers!
-- Tracy


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RE: Struts & Persistence

[Melissa L Kelley]

On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Craig R. McClanahan wrote:


All of this makes me grin and wonder how we ever got to where we are
today. I had to do a build on a project the other day, and it annoyed me
that it took over 10 minutes.

I have only seen punch cards in a museum though ;)



--> stu: www.stuology.net
It just no longer is plain simple safe fun
when it's the psycho chimp that has the ray gun

Stuology -- A million monkeys can't be wrong
>
>
> On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Martin Cooper wrote:
>
> > Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:17:18 -0700
> > From: Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> >
> > Whoa, this thread is making me feel sooo old!
> >
> > In my first job, I had to write the code on coding sheets, which were then
> > given to a pool of drones who turned the code into punched cards. The boxes
> > of cards would then go to the sysops, who would eventually find time to feed
> > them into an ICL mainframe. Then I got back a code listing with all my
> > compilation errors. Once I'd finally got the code to run, the usual early
> > results were a two inch thick core dump. Talk about a long edit-compile-run
> > cycle!
> >
>
> I had that experience in college as well.  It was particularly frustrating
> when taking my Comp Sci classes to have only twice-a-day turnaround on
> simple typos that led to compile errors -- so I got myself hired as the
> computer operator who ran the student jobs (and I could run *mine* as
> often as I wanted to :-).
>
> Slightly later, and much to my chagrin, my wife (a computer literate end
> user, but by no means a geek) figured out that punched cards gave her a
> lot of power over me.  It seems that we were at the computer center pretty
> late one night, waiting for "just one more run" ... we all know how that
> goes, right?  So she picked up the source code cards for the program I was
> working on (with no sequence numbers, of course) and said, "if you don't
> feed me NOW, I'm going to DROP these ...".
>
> Craig
>
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Re: Struts & Persistence

[Eddie Bush]

Craig R. McClanahan wrote:

>On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Martin Cooper wrote:
>
>>Whoa, this thread is making me feel sooo old!
>>
>>In my first job, I had to write the code on coding sheets, which were then
>>given to a pool of drones who turned the code into punched cards. The boxes
>>of cards would then go to the sysops, who would eventually find time to feed
>>them into an ICL mainframe. Then I got back a code listing with all my
>>compilation errors. Once I'd finally got the code to run, the usual early
>>results were a two inch thick core dump. Talk about a long edit-compile-run
>>cycle!
>>
>I had that experience in college as well.  It was particularly frustrating
>when taking my Comp Sci classes to have only twice-a-day turnaround on
>simple typos that led to compile errors -- so I got myself hired as the
>computer operator who ran the student jobs (and I could run *mine* as
>often as I wanted to :-).
>
... and got paid to do it - you gotta love that ;-)

>Slightly later, and much to my chagrin, my wife (a computer literate end
>user, but by no means a geek) figured out that punched cards gave her a
>lot of power over me.  It seems that we were at the computer center pretty
>late one night, waiting for "just one more run" ... we all know how that
>goes, right?  So she picked up the source code cards for the program I was
>working on (with no sequence numbers, of course) and said, "if you don't
>feed me NOW, I'm going to DROP these ...".
>
LOL!!!  That is SO something my wife would wind up doing if we used 
punch cards today!


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RE: Struts & Persistence

[Roman Fail]

My list:
 
TRS-80
Commodore 64
Kaypro 2 (remember the 26-pound CP/M 'portable'?)
IBM PC
386 - 40 MHz (wow!)
Pentinum 133
Dell Latitude CPTs (500MHz Celeron) - crunched under my father-in-law's Suburban - 
oops!
Dell Latitude c810 (P3 1.13GHz) - in use today
Dell Dimension 8100 (P4 1.5GHz) - in use today
 
The TRS-80 didn't really belong to me - it was my dad's since I was only 9 years old!  
I felt like I owned it though - I was an expert at Lunar Lander loaded from cassette 
tape.
 
I think my favorite of all of them was the Kaypro, since I had a 'portable' back when 
no one else did!  And I wish I still had every single one of them, just for nostalgia 
if nothing else.  
 
Roman  
 

-Original Message- 
From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Fri 8/9/2002 1:31 PM 
To: Struts Users Mailing List 
    Cc: 
    Subject: Re: Struts & Persistence



LOL - I knew when Craig chipped in his  that this would
be the thread to watch - how fun it is to remenisce!

... 2400 baud.  I remember that :-)  Oh, wait, that was 24,000 LOL...
*shuts up*  You old farts! :-P  I got started with computers a bit late
though - didn't have one til I was a sophomore in highschool.  My
brother had a "trash 80" (TRS-80), but I wasn't allowed to mess with it
because of the fact that he was a selfish, ungiving person - 8 years my
senior.  Thankfully he's grown beyond that now (with the help of his
wife! LOL)

386/25-DX (mutt from local dealer)
486/66 (self-build)
K6-2/300 (self-build) [still used]
Athlon/1.3 GHz (self-build) [still used]
Duron/750 (Compaq Presario) [still used]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>2400 baud!  Consider yourself lucky...  I started on 300...
>

RE: Struts & Persistence

[Martin Cooper]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:18 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> 
> 
> 2400 baud!  Consider yourself lucky...  I started on 300...

Aw, you mean to say you missed out on the excitement of using a Teletype at
110 baud? Ka-chunka, ka-chunka, ka-chunka. Dang, the paper tape got snarled
again! ;-)

--
Martin Cooper


> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: stu.strutsusers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:48 PM
> To: struts-user
> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> 
> 
> On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Chappell, Simon P wrote:
> 
> I didn't use computers for much (or owned one myself) until I got to
> college, so my first had about 250Mb HDD and 8Mb of RAM. I do remember
> when I got my first 1 Gb drive. Now I have 1 Gb of RAM.
> 
> I remember the first time I got to dial-in. It was a 2400 baud 
> connection.
> Type, wait wait wait... Type, wait wait wait ...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --> stu: www.stuology.net
> It just no longer is plain simple safe fun
> when it's the psycho chimp that has the ray gun
> 
> Stuology -- A million monkeys can't be wrong
> 
> > My first four computers did not have hard drives. My first 
> two didn't
> > even have floppy drives, you had to save and load from 
> audio tape!
> >
> > I think that computer number 5 had a 40Mb HDD. Computer number 6 is 
> now
> > gone and I don't remember any of the specs. Computer number 7 had a 
> 4Gb
> > HDD and now number 8 has a 60Gb HDD (it also has 1.5Gb of RAM, but I
> > digress! :-).
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > -
> > Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Java Programming Specialist  www.landsend.com
> > Lands' End, Inc.   (608) 935-4526
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I'm old enough to remember being absolutely giddy over the
> > >amount of space available on my first hard disk drive -- ten whole
> > >*mega*bytes!  Whatever would I do with all of that space?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Craig
> > >
> > >
> 
> 
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RE: Struts & Persistence

[Craig R. McClanahan]

On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Martin Cooper wrote:

> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:17:18 -0700
> From: Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
> Whoa, this thread is making me feel sooo old!
>
> In my first job, I had to write the code on coding sheets, which were then
> given to a pool of drones who turned the code into punched cards. The boxes
> of cards would then go to the sysops, who would eventually find time to feed
> them into an ICL mainframe. Then I got back a code listing with all my
> compilation errors. Once I'd finally got the code to run, the usual early
> results were a two inch thick core dump. Talk about a long edit-compile-run
> cycle!
>

I had that experience in college as well.  It was particularly frustrating
when taking my Comp Sci classes to have only twice-a-day turnaround on
simple typos that led to compile errors -- so I got myself hired as the
computer operator who ran the student jobs (and I could run *mine* as
often as I wanted to :-).

Slightly later, and much to my chagrin, my wife (a computer literate end
user, but by no means a geek) figured out that punched cards gave her a
lot of power over me.  It seems that we were at the computer center pretty
late one night, waiting for "just one more run" ... we all know how that
goes, right?  So she picked up the source code cards for the program I was
working on (with no sequence numbers, of course) and said, "if you don't
feed me NOW, I'm going to DROP these ...".

Craig


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RE: Struts & Persistence

[Elderclei R Reami]

36 bits? Wow, men! That's small wonder in computerland :)

Anyone remembers of:

10 HGR2: HCOLOR 0 : HPLOT 0,0 : PRINT PEEK -16384

Or

10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD";
20 GOTO 10

Or

10 PRINT @10,10 "Pos"

Cheers! Beer now!
Elder

On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:17:18 -0700, "Martin Cooper" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu :

> De: "Martin Cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Data: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:17:18 -0700
> Para: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Assunto: RE: Struts & Persistence
> 
> Whoa, this thread is making me feel sooo old!
> 
> In my first job, I had to write the code on coding sheets, which were then
> given to a pool of drones who turned the code into punched cards. The 
boxes
> of cards would then go to the sysops, who would eventually find time to 
feed
> them into an ICL mainframe. Then I got back a code listing with all my
> compilation errors. Once I'd finally got the code to run, the usual early
> results were a two inch thick core dump. Talk about a long edit-compile-
run
> cycle!
> 
> But things improved when I went back to uni and got to play with a DEC-10
> which actually had - gasp! - terminals. Anyone remember VTeco? BCPL on a
> 36-bit machine - those were the days.
> 
> --
> Martin Cooper
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:36 AM
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Chappell, Simon P wrote:
> > 
> > > Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:49:28 -0500
> > > From: "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> > >
> > > My first four computers did not have hard drives. My first 
> > two didn't
> > > even have floppy drives, you had to save and load from 
> > audio tape!
> > >
> > 
> > Those were the days ... I remember toggling the 30-step bootstrap code
> > into a PDP-8 (a 12-bit computer, forsooth!) using the front panel
> > switches ...  :-)
> > 
> > Of course, that particular machine was actually pretty cool 
> > for its day --
> > it had DecTapes on it, which had addressible segments like a 
> > disk.  The
> > random access seek times were measured in minutes instead of 
> > milliseconds,
> > but what the hey ...
> > 
> > Craig
> > 
> > > I think that computer number 5 had a 40Mb HDD. Computer 
> > number 6 is now
> > > gone and I don't remember any of the specs. Computer number 
> > 7 had a 4Gb
> > > HDD and now number 8 has a 60Gb HDD (it also has 1.5Gb of RAM, but I
> > > digress! :-).
> > >
> > > Simon
> > >
> > > -
> > > Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Java Programming Specialist  www.landsend.com
> > > Lands' End, Inc.   (608) 935-4526
> > >
> > >
> > > >-Original Message-
> > > >From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > >Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:24 AM
> > > >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > > >Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, James Mitchell wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:43:58 -0400
> > > >> From: James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >> To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> > > >>
> > > >> HAHAHAYes, and that's fine if you're not trying to backup 17
> > > >> Gigsheesh.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >I'm old enough to remember being absolutely giddy over the
> > > >amount of space available on my first hard disk drive -- ten whole
> > > >*mega*bytes!  Whatever would I do with all of that space?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Craig
> > > >
> > 

Re: Struts & Persistence

[Eddie Bush]

LOL - I knew when Craig chipped in his  that this would 
be the thread to watch - how fun it is to remenisce!

... 2400 baud.  I remember that :-)  Oh, wait, that was 24,000 LOL... 
*shuts up*  You old farts! :-P  I got started with computers a bit late 
though - didn't have one til I was a sophomore in highschool.  My 
brother had a "trash 80" (TRS-80), but I wasn't allowed to mess with it 
because of the fact that he was a selfish, ungiving person - 8 years my 
senior.  Thankfully he's grown beyond that now (with the help of his 
wife! LOL)

386/25-DX (mutt from local dealer)
486/66 (self-build)
K6-2/300 (self-build) [still used]
Athlon/1.3 GHz (self-build) [still used]
Duron/750 (Compaq Presario) [still used]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>2400 baud!  Consider yourself lucky...  I started on 300...
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RE: Struts & Persistence

[wbchmura]

Cool - I am starting to feel younger again...

Thanks Martin!


-Original Message-
From: martin.cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:17 PM
To: struts-user
Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence


Whoa, this thread is making me feel sooo old!

In my first job, I had to write the code on coding sheets, which were 
then
given to a pool of drones who turned the code into punched cards. The 
boxes
of cards would then go to the sysops, who would eventually find time to 
feed
them into an ICL mainframe. Then I got back a code listing with all my
compilation errors. Once I'd finally got the code to run, the usual 
early
results were a two inch thick core dump. Talk about a long 
edit-compile-run
cycle!

But things improved when I went back to uni and got to play with a 
DEC-10
which actually had - gasp! - terminals. Anyone remember VTeco? BCPL on a
36-bit machine - those were the days.

--
Martin Cooper


> -Original Message-
> From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:36 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Chappell, Simon P wrote:
> 
> > Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:49:28 -0500
> > From: "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> >
> > My first four computers did not have hard drives. My first 
> two didn't
> > even have floppy drives, you had to save and load from 
> audio tape!
> >
> 
> Those were the days ... I remember toggling the 30-step bootstrap code
> into a PDP-8 (a 12-bit computer, forsooth!) using the front panel
> switches ...  :-)
> 
> Of course, that particular machine was actually pretty cool 
> for its day --
> it had DecTapes on it, which had addressible segments like a 
> disk.  The
> random access seek times were measured in minutes instead of 
> milliseconds,
> but what the hey ...
> 
> Craig
> 
> > I think that computer number 5 had a 40Mb HDD. Computer 
> number 6 is now
> > gone and I don't remember any of the specs. Computer number 
> 7 had a 4Gb
> > HDD and now number 8 has a 60Gb HDD (it also has 1.5Gb of RAM, but I
> > digress! :-).
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > -
> > Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Java Programming Specialist  www.landsend.com
> > Lands' End, Inc.   (608) 935-4526
> >
> >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:24 AM
> > >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > >Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, James Mitchell wrote:
> > >
> > >> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:43:58 -0400
> > >> From: James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> > >>
> > >> HAHAHAYes, and that's fine if you're not trying to backup 17
> > >> Gigsheesh.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I'm old enough to remember being absolutely giddy over the
> > >amount of space available on my first hard disk drive -- ten whole
> > >*mega*bytes!  Whatever would I do with all of that space?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Craig
> > >
> > >
> > >> James "Sasquatch on crack" Mitchell
> > >> Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
> > >> Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
> > >> http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > -Original Message-
> > >> > From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:37 AM
> > >> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > >> > Subject: Re: Struts & Persistence
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > James Mitchell wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > >>(James) Get that Linux box up?!  :-)
> > >> > >&g

RE: Struts & Persistence

[Martin Cooper]

Whoa, this thread is making me feel sooo old!

In my first job, I had to write the code on coding sheets, which were then
given to a pool of drones who turned the code into punched cards. The boxes
of cards would then go to the sysops, who would eventually find time to feed
them into an ICL mainframe. Then I got back a code listing with all my
compilation errors. Once I'd finally got the code to run, the usual early
results were a two inch thick core dump. Talk about a long edit-compile-run
cycle!

But things improved when I went back to uni and got to play with a DEC-10
which actually had - gasp! - terminals. Anyone remember VTeco? BCPL on a
36-bit machine - those were the days.

--
Martin Cooper


> -Original Message-
> From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:36 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Chappell, Simon P wrote:
> 
> > Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:49:28 -0500
> > From: "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> >
> > My first four computers did not have hard drives. My first 
> two didn't
> > even have floppy drives, you had to save and load from 
> audio tape!
> >
> 
> Those were the days ... I remember toggling the 30-step bootstrap code
> into a PDP-8 (a 12-bit computer, forsooth!) using the front panel
> switches ...  :-)
> 
> Of course, that particular machine was actually pretty cool 
> for its day --
> it had DecTapes on it, which had addressible segments like a 
> disk.  The
> random access seek times were measured in minutes instead of 
> milliseconds,
> but what the hey ...
> 
> Craig
> 
> > I think that computer number 5 had a 40Mb HDD. Computer 
> number 6 is now
> > gone and I don't remember any of the specs. Computer number 
> 7 had a 4Gb
> > HDD and now number 8 has a 60Gb HDD (it also has 1.5Gb of RAM, but I
> > digress! :-).
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > -
> > Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Java Programming Specialist  www.landsend.com
> > Lands' End, Inc.   (608) 935-4526
> >
> >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:24 AM
> > >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > >Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, James Mitchell wrote:
> > >
> > >> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:43:58 -0400
> > >> From: James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> > >>
> > >> HAHAHAYes, and that's fine if you're not trying to backup 17
> > >> Gigsheesh.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I'm old enough to remember being absolutely giddy over the
> > >amount of space available on my first hard disk drive -- ten whole
> > >*mega*bytes!  Whatever would I do with all of that space?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Craig
> > >
> > >
> > >> James "Sasquatch on crack" Mitchell
> > >> Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
> > >> Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
> > >> http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > -Original Message-
> > >> > From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:37 AM
> > >> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > >> > Subject: Re: Struts & Persistence
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > James Mitchell wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > >>(James) Get that Linux box up?!  :-)
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >LOL..no I started consolidating my Laptop HD and noticed
> > >> > that I didn't
> > >> > >have enough room on my file server to backup what I had.
> > >So I'

RE: Struts & Persistence

[Brian Schantz]

Another victim of the Jack Tramiel and family!

Here's my list:

Vic-20
Atari 800XL 
Atari 1040ST
Atari 1040Ste
Atart Mega ST4 (Ok, I was a glutton for punishment!)
Apple Mac SE
Apple Quadra 650
386
486DX/33
Dual P90
IBM P166
Homebuilt PII-400
Homebuilt PII-866

The list of peripherals would be too long to go into, but I did have a 300
baud modem, plus accounts on Compuserve, Delphi, GEnie, and BIX.

Brian

> -Original Message-
> From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:00 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> 
> 
> Archeology time! :-)
> 
> The first computer that I ever used was a Sinclair ZX80. The 
> list that I owned is:
> 
> Sinclair ZX81 (w/ 16K RAMPAK)
> Sinclair ZX Spectrum (48K!)
> Acorn/BBC Micro
> Atari ST
> HP 486 PC
> Noname 386 PC (long story)
> WinBook Pentium 266MHz
> Macintosh dual 550MHz G4 tower! :-)
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Melissa L Kelley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:53 PM
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >Subject: Re: Struts & Persistence
> >
> >
> >
> >The Apple //e was my 5th computer, but I got it only a year or 
> >so ago. The
> >rare times I had access to a computer when I was younger, 
> this was the
> >one, and typically it was to play games. I keep thinking that 
> >I'm going to
> >do something incredibly cool with it, but so far it just sits in my
> >library.
> >
> >
> >
> >--> stu: www.stuology.net
> >It just no longer is plain simple safe fun
> >when it's the psycho chimp that has the ray gun
> >
> >Stuology -- A million monkeys can't be wrong
> >
> >
> >>On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Daniel Jaffa wrote:
> >
> >> Oh my god, i have not though of
> >> that game in about 23 - 25 years.  That was
> >> my favorite game when i was younger.
> >>
> >> My first Machine was an Apple 2e, with two 5.25 disk drives.
> >>
> >> the time before mice
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Bartley, Chris P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:14 PM
> >> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> >>
> >>
> >> > Ahhh, the good ol' C-64 tape drive.  I remember not 
> >minding the 45-60
> >> minute
> >> > wait while Temple of Apshai
> >> > (http://www.cstone.net/~rich/Temple/temple_of_apshai.html) 
> >loaded...i'd go
> >> > have dinner, and by the time i was done eating i could 
> >play the game.  :)
> >> >
> >> > I guess Rational Rose would be my present-day 
> >analog...time-wise that is,
> >> > certainly not enjoyment-wise...i only use that beast if i 
> >have to!  ;)
> >> >
> >> > chris
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: Struts, Persistence, and guess how old I am

[Sri Sankaran]

TELEPHONE?! Telephone? Haah!

When I was your age, keemosabe, vee only usem smoke signalsaah!  And a lot of hot 
air vee blow -- you should 'av seen young BillySingingWithTheSeaHawks blow

Those were the days


-Original Message-
From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:54 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Struts, Persistence, and guess how old I am



Why back in my days, we didn't even have computers.  No sir, we used our fingers and 
toes to count.  When we talked about the web, it was something hanging in the shadows 
on the front porch.

Yep, I remember them days.  When you ordered something online (telephone line that is) 
you had to wait 4 to 6 weeks for delivery.  Now you can get it Next day Air!!!  The 
only Next Day Air I had was after eating Mexican the day before.



James Mitchell
Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network" 
http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta




> -Original Message-
> From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:36 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Chappell, Simon P wrote:
>
> > Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:49:28 -0500
> > From: "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> >
> > My first four computers did not have hard drives. My first two 
> > didn't even have floppy drives, you had to save and load from audio 
> > tape!
> >
>
> Those were the days ... I remember toggling the 30-step bootstrap code 
> into a PDP-8 (a 12-bit computer, forsooth!) using the front panel 
> switches ...  :-)
>
> Of course, that particular machine was actually pretty cool for its 
> day -- it had DecTapes on it, which had addressible segments like a 
> disk.  The random access seek times were measured in minutes instead 
> of milliseconds, but what the hey ...
>
> Craig
>
> > I think that computer number 5 had a 40Mb HDD. Computer number 6 is 
> > now gone and I don't remember any of the specs. Computer number 7 
> > had a 4Gb HDD and now number 8 has a 60Gb HDD (it also has 1.5Gb of 
> > RAM, but I digress! :-).
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > -
> > Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Java Programming Specialist  www.landsend.com
> > Lands' End, Inc.   (608) 935-4526
> >
> >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:24 AM
> > >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > >Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, James Mitchell wrote:
> > >
> > >> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:43:58 -0400
> > >> From: James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List 
> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> > >>
> > >> HAHAHAYes, and that's fine if you're not trying to backup 17 
> > >> Gigsheesh.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I'm old enough to remember being absolutely giddy over the amount 
> > >of space available on my first hard disk drive -- ten whole 
> > >*mega*bytes!  Whatever would I do with all of that space?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Craig
> > >
> > >
> > >> James "Sasquatch on crack" Mitchell
> > >> Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
> > >> Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network" 
> > >> http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > -Original Message-
> > >> > From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:37 AM
> > >> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > >> > Subject: Re: Struts & Persistence
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > James Mitchell wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > >>(Jame

RE: Struts & Persistence

[Chappell, Simon P]

Archeology time! :-)

The first computer that I ever used was a Sinclair ZX80. The list that I owned is:

Sinclair ZX81 (w/ 16K RAMPAK)
Sinclair ZX Spectrum (48K!)
Acorn/BBC Micro
Atari ST
HP 486 PC
Noname 386 PC (long story)
WinBook Pentium 266MHz
Macintosh dual 550MHz G4 tower! :-)

Simon


>-Original Message-
>From: Melissa L Kelley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:53 PM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: Re: Struts & Persistence
>
>
>
>The Apple //e was my 5th computer, but I got it only a year or 
>so ago. The
>rare times I had access to a computer when I was younger, this was the
>one, and typically it was to play games. I keep thinking that 
>I'm going to
>do something incredibly cool with it, but so far it just sits in my
>library.
>
>
>
>--> stu: www.stuology.net
>It just no longer is plain simple safe fun
>when it's the psycho chimp that has the ray gun
>
>Stuology -- A million monkeys can't be wrong
>
>
>>On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Daniel Jaffa wrote:
>
>> Oh my god, i have not though of
>> that game in about 23 - 25 years.  That was
>> my favorite game when i was younger.
>>
>> My first Machine was an Apple 2e, with two 5.25 disk drives.
>>
>> the time before mice
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -----
>> From: "Bartley, Chris P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:14 PM
>> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>>
>>
>> > Ahhh, the good ol' C-64 tape drive.  I remember not 
>minding the 45-60
>> minute
>> > wait while Temple of Apshai
>> > (http://www.cstone.net/~rich/Temple/temple_of_apshai.html) 
>loaded...i'd go
>> > have dinner, and by the time i was done eating i could 
>play the game.  :)
>> >
>> > I guess Rational Rose would be my present-day 
>analog...time-wise that is,
>> > certainly not enjoyment-wise...i only use that beast if i 
>have to!  ;)
>> >
>> > chris
>> >
>
>
>
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Re: Struts & Persistence

[Scott Hewlitt]

in my day we used an Abacus... - JK


First computer was a commodore128... finally after being jealous of friends
with
Vic 20's and Commodore 64's... I had my own...

ahh... Commodore Basic,  6502 Machine Language...
still remember a the block of free memory where i played aorund ...
a 4K block if I remember correctly -  started at 49152... - yeah ...-

First IBM compatible was a 386sx...
40 Gig HD - outgrew that eventually - then installed a program called
Stacker - woohoo...almost double the space..
Managed to Run NT3.51 Server on that puppy... poor thing...click...launch a
program... grab a coffee... come back...click...

Remember...?



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From: "Craig R. McClanahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:41 PM
Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence


>
>
> On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Darren Hill wrote:
>
> > Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:54:27 -0400
> > From: Darren Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> >
> > No offence .. but what does this thread have to do with Struts?
> >
>
> STRUTS-USER has a long history of sharing stories and jokes on Fridays --
> feel free to tune this thread out if you're not interested.
>
> Craig
>
>
> > -----Original Message-
> > From: Melissa L Kelley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: August 9, 2002 1:48 PM
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Chappell, Simon P wrote:
> >
> > I didn't use computers for much (or owned one myself) until I got to
> > college, so my first had about 250Mb HDD and 8Mb of RAM. I do remember
> > when I got my first 1 Gb drive. Now I have 1 Gb of RAM.
> >
> > I remember the first time I got to dial-in. It was a 2400 baud
connection.
> > Type, wait wait wait... Type, wait wait wait ...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --> stu: www.stuology.net
> > It just no longer is plain simple safe fun
> > when it's the psycho chimp that has the ray gun
> > 
> > Stuology -- A million monkeys can't be wrong
> >
> > > My first four computers did not have hard drives. My first two didn't
> > > even have floppy drives, you had to save and load from audio tape!
> > >
> > > I think that computer number 5 had a 40Mb HDD. Computer number 6 is
now
> > > gone and I don't remember any of the specs. Computer number 7 had a
4Gb
> > > HDD and now number 8 has a 60Gb HDD (it also has 1.5Gb of RAM, but I
> > > digress! :-).
> > >
> > > Simon
> > >
> > > -
> > > Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Java Programming Specialist  www.landsend.com
> > > Lands' End, Inc.   (608) 935-4526
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >I'm old enough to remember being absolutely giddy over the
> > > >amount of space available on my first hard disk drive -- ten whole
> > > >*mega*bytes!  Whatever would I do with all of that space?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Craig
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
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Re: Struts & Persistence

[Melissa L Kelley]

The Apple //e was my 5th computer, but I got it only a year or so ago. The
rare times I had access to a computer when I was younger, this was the
one, and typically it was to play games. I keep thinking that I'm going to
do something incredibly cool with it, but so far it just sits in my
library.



--> stu: www.stuology.net
It just no longer is plain simple safe fun
when it's the psycho chimp that has the ray gun

Stuology -- A million monkeys can't be wrong


>On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Daniel Jaffa wrote:

> Oh my god, i have not though of
> that game in about 23 - 25 years.  That was
> my favorite game when i was younger.
>
> My first Machine was an Apple 2e, with two 5.25 disk drives.
>
> the time before mice
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bartley, Chris P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:14 PM
> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
>
> > Ahhh, the good ol' C-64 tape drive.  I remember not minding the 45-60
> minute
> > wait while Temple of Apshai
> > (http://www.cstone.net/~rich/Temple/temple_of_apshai.html) loaded...i'd go
> > have dinner, and by the time i was done eating i could play the game.  :)
> >
> > I guess Rational Rose would be my present-day analog...time-wise that is,
> > certainly not enjoyment-wise...i only use that beast if i have to!  ;)
> >
> > chris
> >





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RE: Struts & Persistence

[wbchmura]

Absolutely nothing


-Original Message-
From: dhill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:54 PM
To: struts-user
Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence


No offence .. but what does this thread have to do with Struts?

-Original Message-
From: Melissa L Kelley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: August 9, 2002 1:48 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence


On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Chappell, Simon P wrote:

I didn't use computers for much (or owned one myself) until I got to
college, so my first had about 250Mb HDD and 8Mb of RAM. I do remember
when I got my first 1 Gb drive. Now I have 1 Gb of RAM.

I remember the first time I got to dial-in. It was a 2400 baud 
connection.
Type, wait wait wait... Type, wait wait wait ...




--> stu: www.stuology.net
It just no longer is plain simple safe fun
when it's the psycho chimp that has the ray gun

Stuology -- A million monkeys can't be wrong

> My first four computers did not have hard drives. My first two didn't
> even have floppy drives, you had to save and load from audio tape!
>
> I think that computer number 5 had a 40Mb HDD. Computer number 6 is 
now
> gone and I don't remember any of the specs. Computer number 7 had a 
4Gb
> HDD and now number 8 has a 60Gb HDD (it also has 1.5Gb of RAM, but I
> digress! :-).
>
> Simon
>
> -
> Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Java Programming Specialist  www.landsend.com
> Lands' End, Inc.   (608) 935-4526
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >I'm old enough to remember being absolutely giddy over the
> >amount of space available on my first hard disk drive -- ten whole
> >*mega*bytes!  Whatever would I do with all of that space?
> >
> >
> >
> >Craig
> >
> >



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RE: Struts, Persistence, and guess how old I am

[James Mitchell]

Why back in my days, we didn't even have computers.  No sir, we used our
fingers and toes to count.  When we talked about the web, it was something
hanging in the shadows on the front porch.

Yep, I remember them days.  When you ordered something online (telephone
line that is) you had to wait 4 to 6 weeks for delivery.  Now you can get it
Next day Air!!!  The only Next Day Air I had was after eating Mexican the
day before.



James Mitchell
Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta




> -Original Message-
> From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:36 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Chappell, Simon P wrote:
>
> > Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:49:28 -0500
> > From: "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> >
> > My first four computers did not have hard drives. My first two didn't
> > even have floppy drives, you had to save and load from audio tape!
> >
>
> Those were the days ... I remember toggling the 30-step bootstrap code
> into a PDP-8 (a 12-bit computer, forsooth!) using the front panel
> switches ...  :-)
>
> Of course, that particular machine was actually pretty cool for its day --
> it had DecTapes on it, which had addressible segments like a disk.  The
> random access seek times were measured in minutes instead of milliseconds,
> but what the hey ...
>
> Craig
>
> > I think that computer number 5 had a 40Mb HDD. Computer number 6 is now
> > gone and I don't remember any of the specs. Computer number 7 had a 4Gb
> > HDD and now number 8 has a 60Gb HDD (it also has 1.5Gb of RAM, but I
> > digress! :-).
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > -
> > Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Java Programming Specialist  www.landsend.com
> > Lands' End, Inc.   (608) 935-4526
> >
> >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:24 AM
> > >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > >Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, James Mitchell wrote:
> > >
> > >> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:43:58 -0400
> > >> From: James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> > >>
> > >> HAHAHAYes, and that's fine if you're not trying to backup 17
> > >> Gigsheesh.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I'm old enough to remember being absolutely giddy over the
> > >amount of space available on my first hard disk drive -- ten whole
> > >*mega*bytes!  Whatever would I do with all of that space?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Craig
> > >
> > >
> > >> James "Sasquatch on crack" Mitchell
> > >> Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
> > >> Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
> > >> http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > -Original Message-
> > >> > From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:37 AM
> > >> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > >> > Subject: Re: Struts & Persistence
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > James Mitchell wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > >>(James) Get that Linux box up?!  :-)
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >LOL..no I started consolidating my Laptop HD and noticed
> > >> > that I didn't
> > >> > >have enough room on my file server to backup what I had.
> > >So I'll have to
> > >> > >either get another 80 Gig or take the time to go through and
> > >> > delete all that
> > >> > >Free Soft

RE: Struts & Persistence

[Nelson, Tracy (ETW)]

| From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
| Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
| 
| Those were the days ... I remember toggling the 30-step bootstrap code
| into a PDP-8 (a 12-bit computer, forsooth!) using the front panel
| switches ...  :-)

Hey, I don't feel so old now -- at least when I was toggling in boot loaders
(the first-stage loader, anyway -- it loaded the second-stage loader from
cards) I was on a PDP-11!  Ah, what a glorious architecture.  I could go on,
but I see I already have

Cheers!
-- Tracy


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RE: Struts & Persistence

[Craig R. McClanahan]

On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Darren Hill wrote:

> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:54:27 -0400
> From: Darren Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
> No offence .. but what does this thread have to do with Struts?
>

STRUTS-USER has a long history of sharing stories and jokes on Fridays --
feel free to tune this thread out if you're not interested.

Craig


> -Original Message-
> From: Melissa L Kelley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: August 9, 2002 1:48 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
>
> On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Chappell, Simon P wrote:
>
> I didn't use computers for much (or owned one myself) until I got to
> college, so my first had about 250Mb HDD and 8Mb of RAM. I do remember
> when I got my first 1 Gb drive. Now I have 1 Gb of RAM.
>
> I remember the first time I got to dial-in. It was a 2400 baud connection.
> Type, wait wait wait... Type, wait wait wait ...
>
>
>
>
> --> stu: www.stuology.net
> It just no longer is plain simple safe fun
> when it's the psycho chimp that has the ray gun
> 
> Stuology -- A million monkeys can't be wrong
>
> > My first four computers did not have hard drives. My first two didn't
> > even have floppy drives, you had to save and load from audio tape!
> >
> > I think that computer number 5 had a 40Mb HDD. Computer number 6 is now
> > gone and I don't remember any of the specs. Computer number 7 had a 4Gb
> > HDD and now number 8 has a 60Gb HDD (it also has 1.5Gb of RAM, but I
> > digress! :-).
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > -
> > Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Java Programming Specialist  www.landsend.com
> > Lands' End, Inc.   (608) 935-4526
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I'm old enough to remember being absolutely giddy over the
> > >amount of space available on my first hard disk drive -- ten whole
> > >*mega*bytes!  Whatever would I do with all of that space?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Craig
> > >
> > >
>
>
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RE: Struts & Persistence

[Craig R. McClanahan]

On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Chappell, Simon P wrote:

> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:49:28 -0500
> From: "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
> My first four computers did not have hard drives. My first two didn't
> even have floppy drives, you had to save and load from audio tape!
>

Those were the days ... I remember toggling the 30-step bootstrap code
into a PDP-8 (a 12-bit computer, forsooth!) using the front panel
switches ...  :-)

Of course, that particular machine was actually pretty cool for its day --
it had DecTapes on it, which had addressible segments like a disk.  The
random access seek times were measured in minutes instead of milliseconds,
but what the hey ...

Craig

> I think that computer number 5 had a 40Mb HDD. Computer number 6 is now
> gone and I don't remember any of the specs. Computer number 7 had a 4Gb
> HDD and now number 8 has a 60Gb HDD (it also has 1.5Gb of RAM, but I
> digress! :-).
>
> Simon
>
> -
> Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Java Programming Specialist  www.landsend.com
> Lands' End, Inc.   (608) 935-4526
>
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:24 AM
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, James Mitchell wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:43:58 -0400
> >> From: James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> >>
> >> HAHAHAYes, and that's fine if you're not trying to backup 17
> >> Gigsheesh.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >I'm old enough to remember being absolutely giddy over the
> >amount of space available on my first hard disk drive -- ten whole
> >*mega*bytes!  Whatever would I do with all of that space?
> >
> >
> >
> >Craig
> >
> >
> >> James "Sasquatch on crack" Mitchell
> >> Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
> >> Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
> >> http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:37 AM
> >> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >> > Subject: Re: Struts & Persistence
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > James Mitchell wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >>(James) Get that Linux box up?!  :-)
> >> > >>
> >> > >LOL..no I started consolidating my Laptop HD and noticed
> >> > that I didn't
> >> > >have enough room on my file server to backup what I had.
> >So I'll have to
> >> > >either get another 80 Gig or take the time to go through and
> >> > delete all that
> >> > >Free Software I seem to keep collecting.
> >> > >
> >> > >Hey, I wonder what 'format c:\' does.  Oh SHI#!!!
> >STOP STOP STO
> >> > >
> >> > Ever heard of CD-R/CD-RW?  They really are quite handy :-)  ... and
> >> > CD-R/Ws (disks and writers too) are really quite cheap!
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: Struts & Persistence

[Daniel Jaffa]

Oh my god, i have not though of that game in about 23 - 25 years.  That was
my favorite game when i was younger.

My first Machine was an Apple 2e, with two 5.25 disk drives.

the time before mice



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Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence


> Ahhh, the good ol' C-64 tape drive.  I remember not minding the 45-60
minute
> wait while Temple of Apshai
> (http://www.cstone.net/~rich/Temple/temple_of_apshai.html) loaded...i'd go
> have dinner, and by the time i was done eating i could play the game.  :)
>
> I guess Rational Rose would be my present-day analog...time-wise that is,
> certainly not enjoyment-wise...i only use that beast if i have to!  ;)
>
> chris
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:06 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> >
> >
> > U - I remember that tape drive...  (Did the Vic20 have
> > one also?  I
> > had one on the C-64).
> >
> > Damn I feel old now...
> >
> > My first ten mb hard drive was years later...
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Simon.Chappell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:49 PM
> > To: struts-user
> > Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> >
> >
> > My first four computers did not have hard drives. My first two didn't
> > even have floppy drives, you had to save and load from audio tape!
> >
> > I think that computer number 5 had a 40Mb HDD. Computer
> > number 6 is now
> > gone and I don't remember any of the specs. Computer number 7
> > had a 4Gb
> > HDD and now number 8 has a 60Gb HDD (it also has 1.5Gb of RAM, but I
> > digress! :-).
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > -
> > Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Java Programming Specialist  www.landsend.com
> > Lands' End, Inc.   (608) 935-4526
> >
> >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:24 AM
> > >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > >Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, James Mitchell wrote:
> > >
> > >> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:43:58 -0400
> > >> From: James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> > >>
> > >> HAHAHAYes, and that's fine if you're not trying to backup 17
> > >> Gigsheesh.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I'm old enough to remember being absolutely giddy over the
> > >amount of space available on my first hard disk drive -- ten whole
> > >*mega*bytes!  Whatever would I do with all of that space?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Craig
> > >
> > >
> > >> James "Sasquatch on crack" Mitchell
> > >> Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
> > >> Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
> > >> http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > -Original Message-
> > >> > From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:37 AM
> > >> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > >> > Subject: Re: Struts & Persistence
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > James Mitchell wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > >>(James) Get that Linux box up?!  :-)
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >LOL..no I started consolidating my Laptop HD and noticed
> > >> > that I didn't
> > >> > >have enough room on my file server to backup what I had.
> > >So I'll have to
> > >> > >either get another 80 Gig or take the time to go through and
> > >> > delete all 

RE: Struts & Persistence

[James Mitchell]

> -Original Message-
> From: Darren Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> No offence .. but what does this thread have to do with Struts?
> 

Ah maan :(I knew someone was gonna crash the party.


James Mitchell
Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
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[wbchmura]

2400 baud!  Consider yourself lucky...  I started on 300...





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Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:48 PM
To: struts-user
Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence


On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Chappell, Simon P wrote:

I didn't use computers for much (or owned one myself) until I got to
college, so my first had about 250Mb HDD and 8Mb of RAM. I do remember
when I got my first 1 Gb drive. Now I have 1 Gb of RAM.

I remember the first time I got to dial-in. It was a 2400 baud 
connection.
Type, wait wait wait... Type, wait wait wait ...




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> My first four computers did not have hard drives. My first two didn't
> even have floppy drives, you had to save and load from audio tape!
>
> I think that computer number 5 had a 40Mb HDD. Computer number 6 is 
now
> gone and I don't remember any of the specs. Computer number 7 had a 
4Gb
> HDD and now number 8 has a 60Gb HDD (it also has 1.5Gb of RAM, but I
> digress! :-).
>
> Simon
>
> -
> Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Java Programming Specialist  www.landsend.com
> Lands' End, Inc.   (608) 935-4526
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >I'm old enough to remember being absolutely giddy over the
> >amount of space available on my first hard disk drive -- ten whole
> >*mega*bytes!  Whatever would I do with all of that space?
> >
> >
> >
> >Craig
> >
> >



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RE: Struts & Persistence

[Darren Hill]

No offence .. but what does this thread have to do with Struts?

-Original Message-
From: Melissa L Kelley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: August 9, 2002 1:48 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence


On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Chappell, Simon P wrote:

I didn't use computers for much (or owned one myself) until I got to
college, so my first had about 250Mb HDD and 8Mb of RAM. I do remember
when I got my first 1 Gb drive. Now I have 1 Gb of RAM.

I remember the first time I got to dial-in. It was a 2400 baud connection.
Type, wait wait wait... Type, wait wait wait ...




--> stu: www.stuology.net
It just no longer is plain simple safe fun
when it's the psycho chimp that has the ray gun

Stuology -- A million monkeys can't be wrong

> My first four computers did not have hard drives. My first two didn't
> even have floppy drives, you had to save and load from audio tape!
>
> I think that computer number 5 had a 40Mb HDD. Computer number 6 is now
> gone and I don't remember any of the specs. Computer number 7 had a 4Gb
> HDD and now number 8 has a 60Gb HDD (it also has 1.5Gb of RAM, but I
> digress! :-).
>
> Simon
>
> -
> Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Java Programming Specialist  www.landsend.com
> Lands' End, Inc.   (608) 935-4526
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >I'm old enough to remember being absolutely giddy over the
> >amount of space available on my first hard disk drive -- ten whole
> >*mega*bytes!  Whatever would I do with all of that space?
> >
> >
> >
> >Craig
> >
> >



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[Melissa L Kelley]

On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Chappell, Simon P wrote:

I didn't use computers for much (or owned one myself) until I got to
college, so my first had about 250Mb HDD and 8Mb of RAM. I do remember
when I got my first 1 Gb drive. Now I have 1 Gb of RAM.

I remember the first time I got to dial-in. It was a 2400 baud connection.
Type, wait wait wait... Type, wait wait wait ...




--> stu: www.stuology.net
It just no longer is plain simple safe fun
when it's the psycho chimp that has the ray gun

Stuology -- A million monkeys can't be wrong

> My first four computers did not have hard drives. My first two didn't
> even have floppy drives, you had to save and load from audio tape!
>
> I think that computer number 5 had a 40Mb HDD. Computer number 6 is now
> gone and I don't remember any of the specs. Computer number 7 had a 4Gb
> HDD and now number 8 has a 60Gb HDD (it also has 1.5Gb of RAM, but I
> digress! :-).
>
> Simon
>
> -
> Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Java Programming Specialist  www.landsend.com
> Lands' End, Inc.   (608) 935-4526
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >I'm old enough to remember being absolutely giddy over the
> >amount of space available on my first hard disk drive -- ten whole
> >*mega*bytes!  Whatever would I do with all of that space?
> >
> >
> >
> >Craig
> >
> >



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[Bartley, Chris P]

Ahhh, the good ol' C-64 tape drive.  I remember not minding the 45-60 minute
wait while Temple of Apshai
(http://www.cstone.net/~rich/Temple/temple_of_apshai.html) loaded...i'd go
have dinner, and by the time i was done eating i could play the game.  :)

I guess Rational Rose would be my present-day analog...time-wise that is,
certainly not enjoyment-wise...i only use that beast if i have to!  ;)

chris

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:06 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> 
> 
> U - I remember that tape drive...  (Did the Vic20 have 
> one also?  I 
> had one on the C-64).
> 
> Damn I feel old now...
> 
> My first ten mb hard drive was years later...
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Simon.Chappell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:49 PM
> To: struts-user
> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> 
> 
> My first four computers did not have hard drives. My first two didn't 
> even have floppy drives, you had to save and load from audio tape!
> 
> I think that computer number 5 had a 40Mb HDD. Computer 
> number 6 is now 
> gone and I don't remember any of the specs. Computer number 7 
> had a 4Gb 
> HDD and now number 8 has a 60Gb HDD (it also has 1.5Gb of RAM, but I 
> digress! :-).
> 
> Simon
> 
> -
> Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Java Programming Specialist  www.landsend.com
> Lands' End, Inc.   (608) 935-4526
> 
> 
> >-----Original Message-
> >From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:24 AM
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, James Mitchell wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:43:58 -0400
> >> From: James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> >>
> >> HAHAHAYes, and that's fine if you're not trying to backup 17
> >> Gigsheesh.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >I'm old enough to remember being absolutely giddy over the
> >amount of space available on my first hard disk drive -- ten whole
> >*mega*bytes!  Whatever would I do with all of that space?
> >
> >
> >
> >Craig
> >
> >
> >> James "Sasquatch on crack" Mitchell
> >> Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
> >> Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
> >> http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:37 AM
> >> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >> > Subject: Re: Struts & Persistence
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > James Mitchell wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >>(James) Get that Linux box up?!  :-)
> >> > >>
> >> > >LOL..no I started consolidating my Laptop HD and noticed
> >> > that I didn't
> >> > >have enough room on my file server to backup what I had.  
> >So I'll have to
> >> > >either get another 80 Gig or take the time to go through and
> >> > delete all that
> >> > >Free Software I seem to keep collecting.
> >> > >
> >> > >Hey, I wonder what 'format c:\' does.  Oh SHI#!!!  
> >STOP STOP STO
> >> > >
> >> > Ever heard of CD-R/CD-RW?  They really are quite handy 
> :-)  ... and
> >> > CD-R/Ws (disks and writers too) are really quite cheap!
> >> >
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[Eddie Bush]

We'll let you get by with calling yourself "well-seasoned" ;-)  LOL :-)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>U - I remember that tape drive...  (Did the Vic20 have one also?  I 
>had one on the C-64).
>
>Damn I feel old now...
>
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Craig R. McClanahan wrote:

>
>
>I'm old enough to remember being absolutely giddy over the
>amount of space available on my first hard disk drive -- ten whole
>*mega*bytes!  Whatever would I do with all of that space?
>
>
>
>Craig
>
LOL - my first one had 100 MB - MAN how I echoed your feelings!  LOL. 
 The sad thing (in retrospect) is that when I got my first 1.2 GB drive, 
I was naive enough to think that *surely* I wouldn't ever need a larger one!

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[wbchmura]

U - I remember that tape drive...  (Did the Vic20 have one also?  I 
had one on the C-64).

Damn I feel old now...

My first ten mb hard drive was years later...



-Original Message-
From: Simon.Chappell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:49 PM
To: struts-user
Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence


My first four computers did not have hard drives. My first two didn't 
even have floppy drives, you had to save and load from audio tape!

I think that computer number 5 had a 40Mb HDD. Computer number 6 is now 
gone and I don't remember any of the specs. Computer number 7 had a 4Gb 
HDD and now number 8 has a 60Gb HDD (it also has 1.5Gb of RAM, but I 
digress! :-).

Simon

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>-Original Message-
>From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:24 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
>
>
>
>On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, James Mitchell wrote:
>
>> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:43:58 -0400
>> From: James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>>
>> HAHAHAYes, and that's fine if you're not trying to backup 17
>> Gigsheesh.
>>
>
>
>
>I'm old enough to remember being absolutely giddy over the
>amount of space available on my first hard disk drive -- ten whole
>*mega*bytes!  Whatever would I do with all of that space?
>
>
>
>Craig
>
>
>> James "Sasquatch on crack" Mitchell
>> Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
>> Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
>> http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:37 AM
>> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
>> > Subject: Re: Struts & Persistence
>> >
>> >
>> > James Mitchell wrote:
>> >
>> > >>(James) Get that Linux box up?!  :-)
>> > >>
>> > >LOL..no I started consolidating my Laptop HD and noticed
>> > that I didn't
>> > >have enough room on my file server to backup what I had.  
>So I'll have to
>> > >either get another 80 Gig or take the time to go through and
>> > delete all that
>> > >Free Software I seem to keep collecting.
>> > >
>> > >Hey, I wonder what 'format c:\' does.  Oh SHI#!!!  
>STOP STOP STO
>> > >
>> > Ever heard of CD-R/CD-RW?  They really are quite handy :-)  ... and
>> > CD-R/Ws (disks and writers too) are really quite cheap!
>> >
>> >
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[Chappell, Simon P]

My first four computers did not have hard drives. My first two didn't even have floppy 
drives, you had to save and load from audio tape!

I think that computer number 5 had a 40Mb HDD. Computer number 6 is now gone and I 
don't remember any of the specs. Computer number 7 had a 4Gb HDD and now number 8 has 
a 60Gb HDD (it also has 1.5Gb of RAM, but I digress! :-).

Simon

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>-Original Message-
>From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:24 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
>
>
>
>On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, James Mitchell wrote:
>
>> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:43:58 -0400
>> From: James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>>
>> HAHAHAYes, and that's fine if you're not trying to backup 17
>> Gigsheesh.
>>
>
>
>
>I'm old enough to remember being absolutely giddy over the
>amount of space available on my first hard disk drive -- ten whole
>*mega*bytes!  Whatever would I do with all of that space?
>
>
>
>Craig
>
>
>> James "Sasquatch on crack" Mitchell
>> Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
>> Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
>> http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:37 AM
>> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
>> > Subject: Re: Struts & Persistence
>> >
>> >
>> > James Mitchell wrote:
>> >
>> > >>(James) Get that Linux box up?!  :-)
>> > >>
>> > >LOL..no I started consolidating my Laptop HD and noticed
>> > that I didn't
>> > >have enough room on my file server to backup what I had.  
>So I'll have to
>> > >either get another 80 Gig or take the time to go through and
>> > delete all that
>> > >Free Software I seem to keep collecting.
>> > >
>> > >Hey, I wonder what 'format c:\' does.  Oh SHI#!!!  
>STOP STOP STO
>> > >
>> > Ever heard of CD-R/CD-RW?  They really are quite handy :-)  ... and
>> > CD-R/Ws (disks and writers too) are really quite cheap!
>> >
>> >
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[Craig R. McClanahan]

On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, BaTien Duong wrote:

> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:00:17 -0600
> From: BaTien Duong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> How about transactional processing over a number of data sources? e.g. first
> level of user profile is in Ldap, second level of user profile is in RDBMS.
> That is the power of portal "vision". I hope this vision may stimulate
> others.
>

I hope you're hiding the two-layer access under a DAO so that the poor app
developer writing portlets doesn't have to worry about that kind of
detail ...

Craig


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> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:33 AM
> Subject: Re: Struts & Persistence
>
>
> > BaTien Duong wrote:
> >
> > >OJB is very important,
> > >
> > Personally, I think that's an understatement.  At this point (and I
> > think they're fixing to do some major refactoring, so it would be hard
> > to speak of what will come), from what I can tell, all configuration is
> > very declarative.  What does this mean to the user?  Basically, it means
> > that once you get things working right under one DBMS you can probably
> > switch to another just by changing the definition of your data-source!
> >  *That* is power!
> >
> > >especially combined with Struts 1.1 framework and
> > >"Struts pattern" of DAO to be independent of data sources: Directory,
> RDBMS,
> > >XML. I hope Struts user group gets more interest in this and in the
> concept
> > >of basicPortal that ties Struts, Tiles, and Event processing together.
> > >
> > >Great works and great community. :-)
> > >
> >
> >
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[Craig R. McClanahan]

On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, James Mitchell wrote:

> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:43:58 -0400
> From: James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> HAHAHAYes, and that's fine if you're not trying to backup 17
> Gigsheesh.
>



I'm old enough to remember being absolutely giddy over the
amount of space available on my first hard disk drive -- ten whole
*mega*bytes!  Whatever would I do with all of that space?



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>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:37 AM
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> > Subject: Re: Struts & Persistence
> >
> >
> > James Mitchell wrote:
> >
> > >>(James) Get that Linux box up?!  :-)
> > >>
> > >LOL..no I started consolidating my Laptop HD and noticed
> > that I didn't
> > >have enough room on my file server to backup what I had.  So I'll have to
> > >either get another 80 Gig or take the time to go through and
> > delete all that
> > >Free Software I seem to keep collecting.
> > >
> > >Hey, I wonder what 'format c:\' does.  Oh SHI#!!!  STOP STOP STO
> > >
> > Ever heard of CD-R/CD-RW?  They really are quite handy :-)  ... and
> > CD-R/Ws (disks and writers too) are really quite cheap!
> >
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Re: Struts & Persistence

[BaTien Duong]

How about transactional processing over a number of data sources? e.g. first
level of user profile is in Ldap, second level of user profile is in RDBMS.
That is the power of portal "vision". I hope this vision may stimulate
others.

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Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: Struts & Persistence


> BaTien Duong wrote:
>
> >OJB is very important,
> >
> Personally, I think that's an understatement.  At this point (and I
> think they're fixing to do some major refactoring, so it would be hard
> to speak of what will come), from what I can tell, all configuration is
> very declarative.  What does this mean to the user?  Basically, it means
> that once you get things working right under one DBMS you can probably
> switch to another just by changing the definition of your data-source!
>  *That* is power!
>
> >especially combined with Struts 1.1 framework and
> >"Struts pattern" of DAO to be independent of data sources: Directory,
RDBMS,
> >XML. I hope Struts user group gets more interest in this and in the
concept
> >of basicPortal that ties Struts, Tiles, and Event processing together.
> >
> >Great works and great community. :-)
> >
>
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RE: Struts & Persistence

[James Mitchell]

HAHAHAYes, and that's fine if you're not trying to backup 17
Gigsheesh.

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> -Original Message-
> From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:37 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Struts & Persistence
>
>
> James Mitchell wrote:
>
> >>(James) Get that Linux box up?!  :-)
> >>
> >LOL..no I started consolidating my Laptop HD and noticed
> that I didn't
> >have enough room on my file server to backup what I had.  So I'll have to
> >either get another 80 Gig or take the time to go through and
> delete all that
> >Free Software I seem to keep collecting.
> >
> >Hey, I wonder what 'format c:\' does.  Oh SHI#!!!  STOP STOP STO
> >
> Ever heard of CD-R/CD-RW?  They really are quite handy :-)  ... and
> CD-R/Ws (disks and writers too) are really quite cheap!
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RE: Struts & Persistence

[Robert J. Sanford, Jr.]

> >OJB is very important,
> >
> Personally, I think that's an understatement.  At this point
> (and I think they're fixing to do some major refactoring, so
> it would be hard to speak of what will come), from what I can
> tell, all configuration is very declarative.  What does this
> mean to the user?  Basically, it means that once you get
> things working right under one DBMS you can probably switch
> to another just by changing the definition of your data-
> source! 
>  *That* is power!

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[Eddie Bush]

James Mitchell wrote:

>>(James) Get that Linux box up?!  :-)
>>
>LOL..no I started consolidating my Laptop HD and noticed that I didn't
>have enough room on my file server to backup what I had.  So I'll have to
>either get another 80 Gig or take the time to go through and delete all that
>Free Software I seem to keep collecting.
>
>Hey, I wonder what 'format c:\' does.  Oh SHI#!!!  STOP STOP STO
>
Ever heard of CD-R/CD-RW?  They really are quite handy :-)  ... and 
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[Eddie Bush]

BaTien Duong wrote:

>OJB is very important,
>
Personally, I think that's an understatement.  At this point (and I 
think they're fixing to do some major refactoring, so it would be hard 
to speak of what will come), from what I can tell, all configuration is 
very declarative.  What does this mean to the user?  Basically, it means 
that once you get things working right under one DBMS you can probably 
switch to another just by changing the definition of your data-source! 
 *That* is power!

>especially combined with Struts 1.1 framework and
>"Struts pattern" of DAO to be independent of data sources: Directory, RDBMS,
>XML. I hope Struts user group gets more interest in this and in the concept
>of basicPortal that ties Struts, Tiles, and Event processing together.
>
>Great works and great community. :-)
>



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[BaTien Duong]

OJB is very important, especially combined with Struts 1.1 framework and
"Struts pattern" of DAO to be independent of data sources: Directory, RDBMS,
XML. I hope Struts user group gets more interest in this and in the concept
of basicPortal that ties Struts, Tiles, and Event processing together.

Great works and great community. :-)

- Original Message -
From: "Eddie Bush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: Struts & Persistence


> (David) It should be noted that the ODMG is an immediate precursor to
> JDO, and, therefore, quite similar.  If you search the OJB archives
> you'll find suggestions on how to plan a transition to JDO, once that
> functionality is production-ready.  Look for threads by Thomas Mahler -
> I think he's OJB's "daddy".
>
> (James) Get that Linux box up?!  :-)
>
> James Mitchell wrote:
>
> >Actually, yes I am.
> >
> >Although, now that I'm a little more familiar with OJB, I must admit that
I
> >won't be using the JDO implementation, its not complete.  I'm going with
> >ODMG.
> >
> >If I don't get slammed today at work, I should be finished.
> >
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: David Mulligan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>
> >>Hey James,
> >>
> >>I'm just wondering if you have made any progress on your struts-example
> >>using OJB?
> >>
> >>Tnx,
> >>Dave.
> >>
>
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RE: Struts & Persistence

[James Mitchell]

> -Original Message-
> From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> (David) It should be noted that the ODMG is an immediate precursor to
> JDO, and, therefore, quite similar.  If you search the OJB archives
> you'll find suggestions on how to plan a transition to JDO, once that
> functionality is production-ready.  Look for threads by Thomas Mahler -
> I think he's OJB's "daddy".

Yes, he is the Mommy and the Daddy, and Uncle and Auntbut not Grandpa.
No that title goes to

>
> (James) Get that Linux box up?!  :-)
>
LOL..no I started consolidating my Laptop HD and noticed that I didn't
have enough room on my file server to backup what I had.  So I'll have to
either get another 80 Gig or take the time to go through and delete all that
Free Software I seem to keep collecting.

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[Eddie Bush]

(David) It should be noted that the ODMG is an immediate precursor to 
JDO, and, therefore, quite similar.  If you search the OJB archives 
you'll find suggestions on how to plan a transition to JDO, once that 
functionality is production-ready.  Look for threads by Thomas Mahler - 
I think he's OJB's "daddy".

(James) Get that Linux box up?!  :-)

James Mitchell wrote:

>Actually, yes I am.
>
>Although, now that I'm a little more familiar with OJB, I must admit that I
>won't be using the JDO implementation, its not complete.  I'm going with
>ODMG.
>
>If I don't get slammed today at work, I should be finished.
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: David Mulligan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>
>>Hey James,
>>
>>I'm just wondering if you have made any progress on your struts-example
>>using OJB?
>>
>>Tnx,
>>Dave.
>>



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[James Mitchell]

Actually, yes I am.

Although, now that I'm a little more familiar with OJB, I must admit that I
won't be using the JDO implementation, its not complete.  I'm going with
ODMG.

If I don't get slammed today at work, I should be finished.

James Mitchell
Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
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> -Original Message-
> From: David Mulligan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 5:46 AM
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
>
> Hey James,
>
> I'm just wondering if you have made any progress on your struts-example
> using OJB?
>
> Tnx,
> Dave.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 7:22 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
>
> I'll be uploading a modified version of the example app
> (struts-example.war)
> which uses OJB as soon as I can finish it.
>
> Basic O/R mapping using JDO API w/MySql on the backend.
>
> It's not there yet, but here's the url:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/struts/
>
>
> James Mitchell
> Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
> Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
> http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
>
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Elderclei R Reami [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 2:54 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Struts & Persistence
> >
> >
> > Hi again,
> >
> > Does anyone know about usage of persistence frameworks, like
> Torque & OJB
> > from Apache Group, with Struts?
> >
> > Thanks for all the help with code generation. I downloaded StrutsBuilder
> > and Eclipse+EasyStruts to evaluate and they are great tools. About self-
> > generated apps from database schema and beer... Huhr! Sounds nice and we
> > can start a new project from the idea :)
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Elder
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RE: Struts & Persistence

[David Mulligan]

Hey James,

I'm just wondering if you have made any progress on your struts-example
using OJB?

Tnx,
Dave.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 7:22 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence


I'll be uploading a modified version of the example app (struts-example.war)
which uses OJB as soon as I can finish it.

Basic O/R mapping using JDO API w/MySql on the backend.

It's not there yet, but here's the url:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/struts/


James Mitchell
Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
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> -Original Message-
> From: Elderclei R Reami [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 2:54 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Struts & Persistence
>
>
> Hi again,
>
> Does anyone know about usage of persistence frameworks, like Torque & OJB
> from Apache Group, with Struts?
>
> Thanks for all the help with code generation. I downloaded StrutsBuilder
> and Eclipse+EasyStruts to evaluate and they are great tools. About self-
> generated apps from database schema and beer... Huhr! Sounds nice and we
> can start a new project from the idea :)
>
> Best Regards,
> Elder
>
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RE: Struts & Persistence

[James Mitchell]

I was hoping that someone was going to say.

"Yes, I'm building an add-on component that allows you to use your existing
form-bean declarations to map your tables right in the struts-config.xml and
you can even use DynaActionForms!"

Any takers?

(Tumble weeds blow by as the wind howls)


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> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 3:54 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
>
> Very cool.  And if you already have populated tables, I assume you can
> specify what number to start at, etc.
>
> I'd really like to test out OJB with an EJB session layer, and compare it
> with an EJB session + entity CMP implementation, just to see what the
> performance metrics look like when you hit each with a load test.
>  I wonder
> if anyone working on OJB has done this already
>
> peace,
> Joe
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chuck Cavaness [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 12:33 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
>
> I used this on the Storefront application including in several chapters as
> if my memory serves me correctly, you can plugin different
> sequence manager
> implementations in the ojb.properties class.
>
> Something like this I think:
> SequenceManagerClass=ojb.broker.util.sequence.SequenceManagerHighLowImpl
>
> There are several other properties that you can control as well, like are
> the ids global to all enties or does each entity have its own set. Very
> nice.
>
> chuck
>
> At 12:24 PM 7/23/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> >That makes sense, I was wondering how it could handle it in a generic
> >fashion.  I suppose it adds a row to the OJB_SEQ table for every table
> >column that it has to autoincrement.
> >
> >I further suppose it could accomplish an auto-increment insert with a
> single
> >DB call if they use a nested select from the OJB_SEQ table for the
> >auto-increment column, followed by an update to the OJB_SEQ table to
> >actually increment that column value, both statements executed
> as a single
> >batch call.
> >
> >I'll have to check it outthanks!
> >
> >peace,
> >Joe
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Graham Lounder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 12:08 PM
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> >
> >
> >I've been using OJB for the past couple of weeks so I'm by no means an
> >expert.  What I can tell you is that OJB requires an OJB_SEQ table in the
> >database.  This allows OJB to hanlde autoincrementing fields on its own,
> and
> >not on any one specific implementation.
> >
> >I have been using OJB with MsAccess and haven't had a problem
> yet (crossing
> >my fingers) :-)
> >
> >Graham
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:04 PM
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> >
> >
> >I haven't had time to play with OJB yet, but does anyone know if it works
> >properly with Oracle?  I mean, I know it should work fine with any DB for
> >generating select and update statements, but what about inserts when you
> are
> >using sequence numbers?  The increments are handled differently in
> different
> >databases, so I'm curious how OJB addresses this (if at all).
> >
> >thanks,
> >Joe
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Mete Kural [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:42 AM
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
> >
> >
> >OJB is great. (jakarta.apache.org/ojb) You can easily
> >map your tables to objects. It works with MySQL. I
> >recommend that you implement DAO objects that call
> >OJB's APIs and keep all the persistence operations
> >there.
> >
> >Good luck,
> >Mete
> >
> >--- James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I'll be uploading a modified version of the example
> > > app (struts-example.war)
> > > which uses OJB as soon as I can finish it.
> > >
> > > Basic O/R mapping using JDO API w/MySql on the
> > > backend.
> > >
> >

RE: Struts & Persistence

[Joe Barefoot]

Very cool.  And if you already have populated tables, I assume you can
specify what number to start at, etc.

I'd really like to test out OJB with an EJB session layer, and compare it
with an EJB session + entity CMP implementation, just to see what the
performance metrics look like when you hit each with a load test.  I wonder
if anyone working on OJB has done this already

peace,
Joe



-Original Message-
From: Chuck Cavaness [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 12:33 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence


I used this on the Storefront application including in several chapters as
if my memory serves me correctly, you can plugin different sequence manager
implementations in the ojb.properties class.

Something like this I think:
SequenceManagerClass=ojb.broker.util.sequence.SequenceManagerHighLowImpl

There are several other properties that you can control as well, like are
the ids global to all enties or does each entity have its own set. Very
nice.

chuck

At 12:24 PM 7/23/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>That makes sense, I was wondering how it could handle it in a generic
>fashion.  I suppose it adds a row to the OJB_SEQ table for every table
>column that it has to autoincrement.
>
>I further suppose it could accomplish an auto-increment insert with a
single
>DB call if they use a nested select from the OJB_SEQ table for the
>auto-increment column, followed by an update to the OJB_SEQ table to
>actually increment that column value, both statements executed as a single
>batch call.
>
>I'll have to check it outthanks!
>
>peace,
>Joe
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Graham Lounder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 12:08 PM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
>
>I've been using OJB for the past couple of weeks so I'm by no means an
>expert.  What I can tell you is that OJB requires an OJB_SEQ table in the
>database.  This allows OJB to hanlde autoincrementing fields on its own,
and
>not on any one specific implementation.
>
>I have been using OJB with MsAccess and haven't had a problem yet (crossing
>my fingers) :-)
>
>Graham
>
>-Original Message-----
>From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:04 PM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
>
>I haven't had time to play with OJB yet, but does anyone know if it works
>properly with Oracle?  I mean, I know it should work fine with any DB for
>generating select and update statements, but what about inserts when you
are
>using sequence numbers?  The increments are handled differently in
different
>databases, so I'm curious how OJB addresses this (if at all).
>
>thanks,
>Joe
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Mete Kural [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:42 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
>
>OJB is great. (jakarta.apache.org/ojb) You can easily
>map your tables to objects. It works with MySQL. I
>recommend that you implement DAO objects that call
>OJB's APIs and keep all the persistence operations
>there.
>
>Good luck,
>Mete
>
>--- James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'll be uploading a modified version of the example
> > app (struts-example.war)
> > which uses OJB as soon as I can finish it.
> >
> > Basic O/R mapping using JDO API w/MySql on the
> > backend.
> >
> > It's not there yet, but here's the url:
> > http://sourceforge.net/projects/struts/
> >
> >
> > James Mitchell
> > Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
> > Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
> > http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Elderclei R Reami
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 2:54 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Struts & Persistence
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi again,
> > >
> > > Does anyone know about usage of persistence
> > frameworks, like Torque & OJB
> > > from Apache Group, with Struts?
> > >
> > > Thanks for all the help with code generation. I
> > downloaded StrutsBuilder
> > > and Eclipse+EasyStruts to evaluate and they are
> > great tools. About self-
> > > generated apps from database schema and beer...
> > Huhr! Sounds nice and we
> > > can start a new project from the idea :)
> > >
> > > Best Regards,

RE: Struts & Persistence

[Joe Germuska]

At 12:24 PM -0700 2002/07/23, Joe Barefoot wrote:
>That makes sense, I was wondering how it could handle it in a generic
>fashion.  I suppose it adds a row to the OJB_SEQ table for every table
>column that it has to autoincrement.
>
>I further suppose it could accomplish an auto-increment insert with a single
>DB call if they use a nested select from the OJB_SEQ table for the
>auto-increment column, followed by an update to the OJB_SEQ table to
>actually increment that column value, both statements executed as a single
>batch call.

OJB is pretty pluggable; you can specify an implementation class of a 
SequenceManager interface which can take responsibility for assigning 
primary keys.  You could make one that knows about your existing 
sequences.



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RE: Struts & Persistence

[Chuck Cavaness]

I used this on the Storefront application including in several chapters as 
if my memory serves me correctly, you can plugin different sequence manager 
implementations in the ojb.properties class.

Something like this I think:
SequenceManagerClass=ojb.broker.util.sequence.SequenceManagerHighLowImpl

There are several other properties that you can control as well, like are 
the ids global to all enties or does each entity have its own set. Very nice.

chuck

At 12:24 PM 7/23/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>That makes sense, I was wondering how it could handle it in a generic
>fashion.  I suppose it adds a row to the OJB_SEQ table for every table
>column that it has to autoincrement.
>
>I further suppose it could accomplish an auto-increment insert with a single
>DB call if they use a nested select from the OJB_SEQ table for the
>auto-increment column, followed by an update to the OJB_SEQ table to
>actually increment that column value, both statements executed as a single
>batch call.
>
>I'll have to check it outthanks!
>
>peace,
>Joe
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Graham Lounder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 12:08 PM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
>
>I've been using OJB for the past couple of weeks so I'm by no means an
>expert.  What I can tell you is that OJB requires an OJB_SEQ table in the
>database.  This allows OJB to hanlde autoincrementing fields on its own, and
>not on any one specific implementation.
>
>I have been using OJB with MsAccess and haven't had a problem yet (crossing
>my fingers) :-)
>
>Graham
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:04 PM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
>
>I haven't had time to play with OJB yet, but does anyone know if it works
>properly with Oracle?  I mean, I know it should work fine with any DB for
>generating select and update statements, but what about inserts when you are
>using sequence numbers?  The increments are handled differently in different
>databases, so I'm curious how OJB addresses this (if at all).
>
>thanks,
>Joe
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Mete Kural [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:42 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
>
>OJB is great. (jakarta.apache.org/ojb) You can easily
>map your tables to objects. It works with MySQL. I
>recommend that you implement DAO objects that call
>OJB's APIs and keep all the persistence operations
>there.
>
>Good luck,
>Mete
>
>--- James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'll be uploading a modified version of the example
> > app (struts-example.war)
> > which uses OJB as soon as I can finish it.
> >
> > Basic O/R mapping using JDO API w/MySql on the
> > backend.
> >
> > It's not there yet, but here's the url:
> > http://sourceforge.net/projects/struts/
> >
> >
> > James Mitchell
> > Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
> > Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
> > http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Elderclei R Reami
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 2:54 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Struts & Persistence
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi again,
> > >
> > > Does anyone know about usage of persistence
> > frameworks, like Torque & OJB
> > > from Apache Group, with Struts?
> > >
> > > Thanks for all the help with code generation. I
> > downloaded StrutsBuilder
> > > and Eclipse+EasyStruts to evaluate and they are
> > great tools. About self-
> > > generated apps from database schema and beer...
> > Huhr! Sounds nice and we
> > > can start a new project from the idea :)
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> > > Elder
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RE: Struts & Persistence

[Chappell, Simon P]

The OJB site contains a useful looking page that lists the RDBMS that it supports:

http://jakarta.apache.org/ojb/platforms.html

The list is near the bottom of the page, but Oracle and DB2 are both supported out of 
the box, as is my favourite ... HSQLDB.

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>-Original Message-
>From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 2:04 PM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
>
>I haven't had time to play with OJB yet, but does anyone know 
>if it works
>properly with Oracle?  I mean, I know it should work fine with 
>any DB for
>generating select and update statements, but what about 
>inserts when you are
>using sequence numbers?  The increments are handled 
>differently in different
>databases, so I'm curious how OJB addresses this (if at all).
>
>thanks,
>Joe
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Mete Kural [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:42 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence
>
>
>OJB is great. (jakarta.apache.org/ojb) You can easily
>map your tables to objects. It works with MySQL. I
>recommend that you implement DAO objects that call
>OJB's APIs and keep all the persistence operations
>there.
>
>Good luck,
>Mete
>
>--- James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'll be uploading a modified version of the example
>> app (struts-example.war)
>> which uses OJB as soon as I can finish it.
>>
>> Basic O/R mapping using JDO API w/MySql on the
>> backend.
>>
>> It's not there yet, but here's the url:
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/struts/
>>
>>
>> James Mitchell
>> Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
>> Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
>> http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Elderclei R Reami
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 2:54 PM
>> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Subject: Struts & Persistence
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi again,
>> >
>> > Does anyone know about usage of persistence
>> frameworks, like Torque & OJB
>> > from Apache Group, with Struts?
>> >
>> > Thanks for all the help with code generation. I
>> downloaded StrutsBuilder
>> > and Eclipse+EasyStruts to evaluate and they are
>> great tools. About self-
>> > generated apps from database schema and beer...
>> Huhr! Sounds nice and we
>> > can start a new project from the idea :)
>> >
>> > Best Regards,
>> > Elder
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RE: Struts & Persistence

[Joe Barefoot]

That makes sense, I was wondering how it could handle it in a generic
fashion.  I suppose it adds a row to the OJB_SEQ table for every table
column that it has to autoincrement.

I further suppose it could accomplish an auto-increment insert with a single
DB call if they use a nested select from the OJB_SEQ table for the
auto-increment column, followed by an update to the OJB_SEQ table to
actually increment that column value, both statements executed as a single
batch call.

I'll have to check it outthanks!

peace,
Joe

-Original Message-
From: Graham Lounder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 12:08 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence


I've been using OJB for the past couple of weeks so I'm by no means an
expert.  What I can tell you is that OJB requires an OJB_SEQ table in the
database.  This allows OJB to hanlde autoincrementing fields on its own, and
not on any one specific implementation.

I have been using OJB with MsAccess and haven't had a problem yet (crossing
my fingers) :-)

Graham

-Original Message-
From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:04 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence


I haven't had time to play with OJB yet, but does anyone know if it works
properly with Oracle?  I mean, I know it should work fine with any DB for
generating select and update statements, but what about inserts when you are
using sequence numbers?  The increments are handled differently in different
databases, so I'm curious how OJB addresses this (if at all).

thanks,
Joe

-Original Message-
From: Mete Kural [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:42 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence


OJB is great. (jakarta.apache.org/ojb) You can easily
map your tables to objects. It works with MySQL. I
recommend that you implement DAO objects that call
OJB's APIs and keep all the persistence operations
there.

Good luck,
Mete

--- James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll be uploading a modified version of the example
> app (struts-example.war)
> which uses OJB as soon as I can finish it.
>
> Basic O/R mapping using JDO API w/MySql on the
> backend.
>
> It's not there yet, but here's the url:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/struts/
>
>
> James Mitchell
> Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
> Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
> http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
>
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Elderclei R Reami
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 2:54 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Struts & Persistence
> >
> >
> > Hi again,
> >
> > Does anyone know about usage of persistence
> frameworks, like Torque & OJB
> > from Apache Group, with Struts?
> >
> > Thanks for all the help with code generation. I
> downloaded StrutsBuilder
> > and Eclipse+EasyStruts to evaluate and they are
> great tools. About self-
> > generated apps from database schema and beer...
> Huhr! Sounds nice and we
> > can start a new project from the idea :)
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Elder
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RE: Struts & Persistence

[Graham Lounder]

I've been using OJB for the past couple of weeks so I'm by no means an
expert.  What I can tell you is that OJB requires an OJB_SEQ table in the
database.  This allows OJB to hanlde autoincrementing fields on its own, and
not on any one specific implementation.

I have been using OJB with MsAccess and haven't had a problem yet (crossing
my fingers) :-)

Graham

-Original Message-
From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:04 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence


I haven't had time to play with OJB yet, but does anyone know if it works
properly with Oracle?  I mean, I know it should work fine with any DB for
generating select and update statements, but what about inserts when you are
using sequence numbers?  The increments are handled differently in different
databases, so I'm curious how OJB addresses this (if at all).

thanks,
Joe

-Original Message-
From: Mete Kural [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:42 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence


OJB is great. (jakarta.apache.org/ojb) You can easily
map your tables to objects. It works with MySQL. I
recommend that you implement DAO objects that call
OJB's APIs and keep all the persistence operations
there.

Good luck,
Mete

--- James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll be uploading a modified version of the example
> app (struts-example.war)
> which uses OJB as soon as I can finish it.
>
> Basic O/R mapping using JDO API w/MySql on the
> backend.
>
> It's not there yet, but here's the url:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/struts/
>
>
> James Mitchell
> Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
> Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
> http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
>
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Elderclei R Reami
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 2:54 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Struts & Persistence
> >
> >
> > Hi again,
> >
> > Does anyone know about usage of persistence
> frameworks, like Torque & OJB
> > from Apache Group, with Struts?
> >
> > Thanks for all the help with code generation. I
> downloaded StrutsBuilder
> > and Eclipse+EasyStruts to evaluate and they are
> great tools. About self-
> > generated apps from database schema and beer...
> Huhr! Sounds nice and we
> > can start a new project from the idea :)
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Elder
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RE: Struts & Persistence

[Joe Barefoot]

I haven't had time to play with OJB yet, but does anyone know if it works
properly with Oracle?  I mean, I know it should work fine with any DB for
generating select and update statements, but what about inserts when you are
using sequence numbers?  The increments are handled differently in different
databases, so I'm curious how OJB addresses this (if at all).

thanks,
Joe

-Original Message-
From: Mete Kural [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:42 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Struts & Persistence


OJB is great. (jakarta.apache.org/ojb) You can easily
map your tables to objects. It works with MySQL. I
recommend that you implement DAO objects that call
OJB's APIs and keep all the persistence operations
there.

Good luck,
Mete

--- James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll be uploading a modified version of the example
> app (struts-example.war)
> which uses OJB as soon as I can finish it.
>
> Basic O/R mapping using JDO API w/MySql on the
> backend.
>
> It's not there yet, but here's the url:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/struts/
>
>
> James Mitchell
> Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
> Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
> http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
>
>
>
>
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 2:54 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Struts & Persistence
> >
> >
> > Hi again,
> >
> > Does anyone know about usage of persistence
> frameworks, like Torque & OJB
> > from Apache Group, with Struts?
> >
> > Thanks for all the help with code generation. I
> downloaded StrutsBuilder
> > and Eclipse+EasyStruts to evaluate and they are
> great tools. About self-
> > generated apps from database schema and beer...
> Huhr! Sounds nice and we
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> >
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RE: Struts & Persistence

[Mete Kural]

OJB is great. (jakarta.apache.org/ojb) You can easily
map your tables to objects. It works with MySQL. I
recommend that you implement DAO objects that call
OJB's APIs and keep all the persistence operations
there.

Good luck,
Mete

--- James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll be uploading a modified version of the example
> app (struts-example.war)
> which uses OJB as soon as I can finish it.
> 
> Basic O/R mapping using JDO API w/MySql on the
> backend.
> 
> It's not there yet, but here's the url:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/struts/
> 
> 
> James Mitchell
> Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
> Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
> http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 2:54 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Struts & Persistence
> >
> >
> > Hi again,
> >
> > Does anyone know about usage of persistence
> frameworks, like Torque & OJB
> > from Apache Group, with Struts?
> >
> > Thanks for all the help with code generation. I
> downloaded StrutsBuilder
> > and Eclipse+EasyStruts to evaluate and they are
> great tools. About self-
> > generated apps from database schema and beer...
> Huhr! Sounds nice and we
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> >
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RE: Struts & Persistence

[James Mitchell]

I'll be uploading a modified version of the example app (struts-example.war)
which uses OJB as soon as I can finish it.

Basic O/R mapping using JDO API w/MySql on the backend.

It's not there yet, but here's the url:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/struts/


James Mitchell
Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
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> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 2:54 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Struts & Persistence
>
>
> Hi again,
>
> Does anyone know about usage of persistence frameworks, like Torque & OJB
> from Apache Group, with Struts?
>
> Thanks for all the help with code generation. I downloaded StrutsBuilder
> and Eclipse+EasyStruts to evaluate and they are great tools. About self-
> generated apps from database schema and beer... Huhr! Sounds nice and we
> can start a new project from the idea :)
>
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> Elder
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