Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-12-15 Thread Paul Mansfield
On 14/12/09 23:47, Jeppe Øland wrote:
 As for the PCIe wireless card: it's a MSI brand card, using a Ralink NIC.
 (MS-6894, Ralink chip: RTL8187SE)
 I guess thats a RealTek wireless card ... probably next to useless for
 pfSense or?

realtek != ralink

yup, that's a realtek

since reading some comments in the linux kernel device driver for
realtek ethernet chips, I know it's not just snobbery that keeps people
away!

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Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-12-15 Thread Seth Mos

Paul Mansfield schreef:

On 14/12/09 23:47, Jeppe Øland wrote:

As for the PCIe wireless card: it's a MSI brand card, using a Ralink NIC.
(MS-6894, Ralink chip: RTL8187SE)
I guess thats a RealTek wireless card ... probably next to useless for
pfSense or?


realtek != ralink


I've previously have had quite good success with Ralink wireless chips 
(ral) under FreeBSD. Even with the usb Ralink chips (ural).


Regards,

Seth

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Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-12-15 Thread Paul Mansfield
On 15/12/09 14:35, Seth Mos wrote:
 Paul Mansfield schreef:
 On 14/12/09 23:47, Jeppe Øland wrote:
 As for the PCIe wireless card: it's a MSI brand card, using a Ralink
 NIC.
 (MS-6894, Ralink chip: RTL8187SE)
 I guess thats a RealTek wireless card ... probably next to useless for
 pfSense or?

 realtek != ralink
 
 I've previously have had quite good success with Ralink wireless chips
 (ral) under FreeBSD. Even with the usb Ralink chips (ural).

yeah, ralink hardware has a pretty good community of driver developers



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Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-12-14 Thread Paul Mansfield
On 13/12/09 05:07, Jeppe Øland wrote:
 Just stumbled over this:
 MSI Industrial WindBOXII
 http://www.logicsupply.com/products/ms_9a25
 
 Not cheap - but it's got everything in a nice pre-packaged box.

nice! it has an Intel NIC. not sure what options there are for mini-PCIe
cards with gigabit cat5e/cat6 adaptors?

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Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-12-14 Thread Jeppe Øland
 Just stumbled over this:
 MSI Industrial WindBOXII
 http://www.logicsupply.com/products/ms_9a25

 Not cheap - but it's got everything in a nice pre-packaged box.

 nice! it has an Intel NIC.

As for the PCIe wireless card: it's a MSI brand card, using a Ralink NIC.
(MS-6894, Ralink chip: RTL8187SE)
I guess thats a RealTek wireless card ... probably next to useless for
pfSense or?

Regards,
-Jeppe

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Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-12-12 Thread Jeppe Øland
Just stumbled over this:
MSI Industrial WindBOXII
http://www.logicsupply.com/products/ms_9a25

Not cheap - but it's got everything in a nice pre-packaged box.

Regards,
-Jeppe

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Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-27 Thread Jeppe Øland
 Has anybody tried pfSense with a board like this?
 http://www.avalue.com.tw/products/ECM-945GSE.cfm

 those seem good :)
 jsut couldn't find anywhere to sell (thus no price tag). If you have any,

 I am getting a price directly from Avalue USA.
 The board is in production, and there is no minimum quantity to order.
 My guess would be a price in the $3-400 range ... I will write it as
 soon as I hear back from them.

Directly from AValue, the price is $265.
This price probably does not include RAM, PSU or case.

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Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-27 Thread Paul Mansfield

On 27/10/09 15:42, Jeppe Øland wrote:

Has anybody tried pfSense with a board like this?
http://www.avalue.com.tw/products/ECM-945GSE.cfm




Dual Marvell 88E8053 Gigabit Ehternet

hmmm.

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Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-16 Thread Paul Mansfield

On 15/10/09 18:25, Ryan wrote:

Does anyone make an atom board with intel onboard.  I'd rather intel if
i had my choice. I have seen a couple of flexatx atom boards that look
real promising, but they don't have intel nics.



I built a box with a jetway atom board and triple intel gigE daughter 
board - search the mail archives - pfSense booted fine and detected the 
onboard realtek as re0 and the intels as em0 to em2.





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Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-16 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 04:35:07PM +0100, Paul Mansfield wrote:

 I built a box with a jetway atom board and triple intel gigE daughter 
 board - search the mail archives - pfSense booted fine and detected the 
 onboard realtek as re0 and the intels as em0 to em2.

Are you happy with it so far? Throughput benchmarks?

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Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-16 Thread Paul Mansfield

On 16/10/09 16:41, Eugen Leitl wrote:

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 04:35:07PM +0100, Paul Mansfield wrote:


I built a box with a jetway atom board and triple intel gigE daughter
board - search the mail archives - pfSense booted fine and detected the
onboard realtek as re0 and the intels as em0 to em2.


Are you happy with it so far? Throughput benchmarks?


erm, well, actually, I am using it as a multi-homed linux machine, so I 
can't say, but I do get very good network throughput.


it's been 100% stable since I fired it up and performance has been 
pretty good - better than the Athlon Barton XP2500 (underclocked to an 
XP1500 for power saving) it replaced.


I wasn't able to use the efficient power supply that I bought for the 
project, it's using quite an old one (maybe 50% efficient?) that fits 
that microatx case... the APC UPS tells me it's eating about 78kVA, so 
with a decent PSU I'd guess it'd be about 50W.


the old Athlon Barton XP2500 was eating about 175kVA.

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Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-16 Thread Paul Mansfield

On 16/10/09 17:27, Curtis Maurand wrote:


Check this one out. It should work just fine. Very inexpensive.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262




pretty good box at the price; I guess it would be a bit noisy for a home 
or office environment, 1U server fans tend to be pretty whiny!



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Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-16 Thread Jim Pingle
Curtis Maurand wrote:
 
 Check this one out.  It should work just fine.  Very inexpensive.
 
 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262
 

I mentioned that one elsewhere in the thread. Three of them just arrived
in my office and I'm getting ready to test them out. :-)

First cool observation, they actually have an internal USB port. Not
just pins, but a real port. There are some really tiny USB flash drives
that could be used to run these with (cheap) solid state media.


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Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-16 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:27:47PM -0400, Curtis Maurand wrote:
 
 Check this one out.  It should work just fine.  Very inexpensive.
 
 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262

What kind of internal slot and riser is this? PCI, I presume?

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Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-16 Thread Jim Pingle
Paul Mansfield wrote:
 On 16/10/09 17:27, Curtis Maurand wrote:

 Check this one out. It should work just fine. Very inexpensive.

 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262

 
 
 pretty good box at the price; I guess it would be a bit noisy for a home
 or office environment, 1U server fans tend to be pretty whiny!

There are only two fans, one on the motherboard, and one in the PSU. I
haven't powered it up yet to check noise levels.


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RE: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-16 Thread Nathan Eisenberg
Newegg says the board only has a PCI-Ex8 slot.  I'm not sure which board that 
would be, as all the Atom boards I've seen are PCI-only.

Re: Noise - In my experience, Atom servers can run without chassis fans - they 
only need the CPU fan and the PSU fan.

Nice find.  I love the Atom platform.

Best Regards,
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Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-16 Thread Jim Pingle
Nathan Eisenberg wrote:
 Newegg says the board only has a PCI-Ex8 slot.  I'm not sure which board that 
 would be, as all the Atom boards I've seen are PCI-only.

It has 2 PCI-E x8 and a PCI, but it looks like only the PCI-E x8 would
be usable with the riser.

Here's a pic I took of the mainboard

http://twitpic.com/lr2tc

 Re: Noise - In my experience, Atom servers can run without chassis fans - 
 they only need the CPU fan and the PSU fan.

I can barely hear the thing run, with the fans on and the case open.


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RE: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-16 Thread Ryan
 Eugen Leitl wrote:
  On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:27:47PM -0400, Curtis Maurand wrote:
  Check this one out.  It should work just fine.  Very inexpensive.
 
  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262
  
I have actually looked at this.  We use supermicro for some of our servers
and they make a great product.  This has 2 onboard nics, but they are both
realtek.  I guess I am too picky.  Realtek seems ok in a regular desktop pc,
but for a router, i would like an intel or a broadcom.  I could get a quad
pci-e intel nics, but i am too cheap. lol.  Maybe someone will make one
soon.


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Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-16 Thread Jim Pingle
Jim Pingle wrote:
 Curtis Maurand wrote:
 Check this one out.  It should work just fine.  Very inexpensive.

 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262

 
 I mentioned that one elsewhere in the thread. Three of them just arrived
 in my office and I'm getting ready to test them out. :-)
 
 First cool observation, they actually have an internal USB port. Not
 just pins, but a real port. There are some really tiny USB flash drives
 that could be used to run these with (cheap) solid state media.

A couple more things after some tinkering.

Picture of the mainboard:
http://twitpic.com/lr2tc

It's got 4x SATA connectors and 1x PATA, though there isn't really room
in the case for more than 1 3.5 drive (or 2x2.5 with an optional
bracket, I hear).

2 USB ports on the back, but headers for 5 more inside plus an actual
internal USB connector (mentioned above)

A second internal COM port header (there is a knockout for a 25-pin
connector on the back, too)

There is a molex power connector on the mainboard (male) labeled For
Device power only.

Looks like a few extra fan headers if they're needed (probably not)

dmesg output:
http://pastebin.com/f22413e10

Power draw, according to my Kill-a-Watt:
 Drive spin-up: 48w
 Booting: 33w/0.33a with occasional bumps to 36w
 Idle:  32w/0.33a
 When powered off and plugged in, it draws 1w/0.04a

Haven't been able to do any load testing yet.

Jim

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RE: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-15 Thread Joseph L. Casale
Anybody else?
I don't have any experience with Marvell other than in my Laptop.
I assume they are better than Realtek...

I have a myriad of Intel, Broadcom, 1 marvell now and several realtek
nics on various equipment I manage. Although the realtek's aren't performers
like the Broadcoms or Intels and some need additional drivers in some distro's
they all work.

I have seen every preposterous event with a Yukon like providing bad mac
address during pxe boot, poor performance and some needed some absolutely
pedantic methods to configure parameters like Yukon's under Solaris.

I'd rather have a Realtek if I had to.

jlc


RE: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-15 Thread Philippe LeCavalier
On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 15:32 +, Joseph L. Casale wrote:

 I'd rather have a Realtek if I had to.

I second that!

Cheers,
Phil


RE: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-15 Thread Ryan
Does anyone make an atom board with intel onboard.  I'd rather intel if i
had my choice.  I have seen a couple of flexatx atom boards that look real
promising, but they don't have intel nics.
 

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On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 15:32 +, Joseph L. Casale wrote: 

I'd rather have a Realtek if I had to.

I second that!




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Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-15 Thread Jim Pingle
Ryan wrote:
 Does anyone make an atom board with intel onboard.  I'd rather intel if
 i had my choice.  I have seen a couple of flexatx atom boards that look
 real promising, but they don't have intel nics.

MSI has a board with 2x1GB Intel NICs, the IM-945GSE

http://www.mini-box.com/MSI-IM-945GSE-Mini-ITX-Motherboard

Looks promising, indeed, but I'd prefer a dual core atom board, personally.

I've got a couple of these on order for a customer, I'm going to try to
beat them around a bit and see how the Realtek nics hold up:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262

You can get a PCI-E riser for that and then get a multi-port Intel card
to use if you want, too.

I think (but don't quote me on it) that I heard there was a Jetway
daughtboard with intel NICs also.

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Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-15 Thread Tom Müller-Kortkamp

Hi Ryan,

I'm just testing an atom wth re(4) but the NIC-Chip shouldn't be the  
problem.

I started a thread in the Forum, so i don't want to crosspost here.

http://forum.pfsense.org/index.php/topic,19808.0.html

I just try to build a Kernel working with that board and PF-Sense ...

Am 15.10.2009 um 19:25 schrieb Ryan:

Does anyone make an atom board with intel onboard.  I'd rather intel  
if i had my choice.  I have seen a couple of flexatx atom boards  
that look real promising, but they don't have intel nics.


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On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 15:32 +, Joseph L. Casale wrote:


I'd rather have a Realtek if I had to.

I second that!

Cheers,
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RE: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-15 Thread Ryan

 Hi Ryan,
 
 I'm just testing an atom wth re(4) but the NIC-Chip shouldn't 
 be the problem.
 I started a thread in the Forum, so i don't want to crosspost here.
 
 http://forum.pfsense.org/index.php/topic,19808.0.html
 
 I just try to build a Kernel working with that board and PF-Sense ...
 
I find most of these Atom board use realtek nics.  I gues in an attempt to
keep cost down.  I am not interested in atom for its size or power
consumption. I guess i am stange, but i like the idea of building a decent
system for under $250

For the price of the MSI board mentioned in a different post, I can buy a
chaep Intel MB and processor for about $160 and have room for expansion.  I
like the $120 price range expecially since it includes the processor. That
pus a cheap case with PSU ($30), 3 intel nics ($20 each - 6$, and a
transcend ide or sata disk module ($30) and i have a working system for
$240.  If it had 2 onboard intel nics, that drops $40 off the price and
leaves room for expansion.

I also like the low poer consumtion and low heat that mans i can slap a
larger heatsink and get rid of the processor fan.  That helps eliminate a
point of failure and maintance.  Just my $.02

PS.  sorry for top posting earlier.


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Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-15 Thread Chris Buechler
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Joseph L. Casale
jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote:
Anybody else?
I don't have any experience with Marvell other than in my Laptop.
I assume they are better than Realtek...

 I have a myriad of Intel, Broadcom, 1 marvell now and several realtek
 nics on various equipment I manage. Although the realtek's aren't performers
 like the Broadcoms or Intels and some need additional drivers in some distro's
 they all work.

 I have seen every preposterous event with a Yukon like providing bad mac
 address during pxe boot, poor performance and some needed some absolutely
 pedantic methods to configure parameters like Yukon's under Solaris.

 I'd rather have a Realtek if I had to.


I'd rather have neither. I've seen some really bad behavior on onboard
Realtek cards on Atom boards, all kinds of various things not working
properly depending on the board.

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RE: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-15 Thread Joseph L. Casale
I'd rather have neither.

Won't argue that:) All of this has me concerned, I am waiting on
some other issues but was about to order a 3 nic Alix board and saw
it uses Via VT6105M 10/100 nics? I haven't used Via in years, how
do these perform, and issues you have seen Chris?

Thanks!
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Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-15 Thread Chris Buechler
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Joseph L. Casale
jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote:
I'd rather have neither.

 Won't argue that:) All of this has me concerned, I am waiting on
 some other issues but was about to order a 3 nic Alix board and saw
 it uses Via VT6105M 10/100 nics? I haven't used Via in years, how
 do these perform, and issues you have seen Chris?


They do well, you can push ~85 Mbps through them and the NICs work
fine, no known quirks.

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Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-14 Thread Jeppe Øland
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Jim Pingle li...@pingle.org wrote:
 Ryan wrote:
 I'm thinking about picking up a Supermicro Atom based system
 for use with pfSense:

Has anybody tried pfSense with a board like this?
http://www.avalue.com.tw/products/ECM-945GSE.cfm

Regards,
-Jeppe

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RE: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-14 Thread Nathan Eisenberg
The D945 chipset works with PFSense - I see no reason why it wouldn't work.

Best Regards,
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 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Jim Pingle li...@pingle.org wrote:
  Ryan wrote:
  I'm thinking about picking up a Supermicro Atom based system
  for use with pfSense:
 
 Has anybody tried pfSense with a board like this?
 http://www.avalue.com.tw/products/ECM-945GSE.cfm
 
 Regards,
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Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-14 Thread Nenhum_de_Nos

On Wed, October 14, 2009 21:52, Jeppe Øland wrote:
 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Jim Pingle li...@pingle.org wrote:
 Ryan wrote:
 I'm thinking about picking up a Supermicro Atom based system
 for use with pfSense:

 Has anybody tried pfSense with a board like this?
 http://www.avalue.com.tw/products/ECM-945GSE.cfm

those seem good :)

jsut couldn't find anywhere to sell (thus no price tag). If you have any,

thanks,

matheus

 Regards,
 -Jeppe

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RE: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-14 Thread Joseph L. Casale
Has anybody tried pfSense with a board like this?
http://www.avalue.com.tw/products/ECM-945GSE.cfm

I don't know about FreeBSD's support of Marvell nics,
but based on my experience with them in Solaris and RHEL
I won't even let one in my site without calling the janitor
and his garbage cart.

Just my 2 cents:)
jlc


Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-10-14 Thread Jeppe Øland
 I'm thinking about picking up a Supermicro Atom based system
 for use with pfSense:

 Has anybody tried pfSense with a board like this?
 http://www.avalue.com.tw/products/ECM-945GSE.cfm

 those seem good :)
 jsut couldn't find anywhere to sell (thus no price tag). If you have any,

I am getting a price directly from Avalue USA.
The board is in production, and there is no minimum quantity to order.
My guess would be a price in the $3-400 range ... I will write it as
soon as I hear back from them.

 I don't know about FreeBSD's support of Marvell nics,
 but based on my experience with them in Solaris and
 RHEL I won't even let one in my site without calling the
 janitor and his garbage cart.

Anybody else?
I don't have any experience with Marvell other than in my Laptop.
I assume they are better than Realtek...

Regards,
-Jeppe

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RE: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-08-27 Thread Ryan

 I'm thinking about picking up a Supermicro Atom based system 
 for use with pfSense: 
 
 http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/5015/SYS-5015A-H.
 cfm?typ=H 
 
 Any thoughts on potential issues with running pfSense on this 
 hardware? 
 
 Thanks in advance,
 Sterling Windmill


The realtek nics they use are not the best.  I wish they would use intel.
It is an intel board after all. 


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Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-08-27 Thread Sterling Windmill

- Original Message - 
From: Ryan radiote...@aaremail.com 
To: support@pfsense.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:02:59 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware 


 I'm thinking about picking up a Supermicro Atom based system 
 for use with pfSense: 
 
 http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/5015/SYS-5015A-H. 
 cfm?typ=H 
 
 Any thoughts on potential issues with running pfSense on this 
 hardware? 
 
 Thanks in advance, 
 Sterling Windmill 
 

The realtek nics they use are not the best. I wish they would use intel. 
It is an intel board after all. 

If I only use the realtek NICs for my relatively slow WAN(s) do you think this 
box would work well with an Intel quad port PCIe NIC handling the interfaces 
with more traffic? 


Re: [pfSense Support] potential pfsense hardware

2009-08-27 Thread Jim Pingle
Ryan wrote:
 I'm thinking about picking up a Supermicro Atom based system 
 for use with pfSense: 

 http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/5015/SYS-5015A-H.
 cfm?typ=H 

 Any thoughts on potential issues with running pfSense on this 
 hardware? 

 The realtek nics they use are not the best.  I wish they would use intel.
 It is an intel board after all. 

I've been looking at something like that, or the MSI IM-945GSE.
http://www.orbitmicro.com/global/ms-9830-010-p-9546.html?ref=base

The MSI board has 2x Intel gigabit NICs

I like the SuperMicro box though, especially the short 1U case, would be
perfect for telco/2-post racks.

I'd only question the NIC support, and it seems like that might be ok now:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=123123

That went in before 7.2 was out, so you'd probably need a 1.2.3-RC2 snap.


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