Inconsistent tab behavior on 2.01

[Rex]

I've set Seamonkey to always show the tab bar even when only one tab is 
open. Since updating to 2.01, I either see the tab bar gone (and have to 
re-enable it from the menu), and at times it refuses to open a new tab 
whether I press ^T, click the new tab icon, or use the File-New-New tab 
option.


Anyone else noticed this?



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Buggy tab behavior in SM 2.01

[Rex]

I've set Seamonkey to always show the tab bar even when only one tab is 
open. Since updating to 2.01, I either see the tab bar gone (and have to 
re-enable it from the menu), and at times it refuses to open a new tab 
whether I press ^T, click the new tab icon, or use the File-New-New tab 
option.


Also seen along with this problem- middleclicking a link to open in a 
new tab doesn't work.


Anyone else noticed this?

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Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...

[Philip Chee]

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:02:06 +0100, Jens Hatlak wrote:

> That won't have any effect. JS in MailNews is gone for good:
> 

Well it's back partially (or going to be back partially) but only for
*non* mailnews content such as RSS feeds and other third party
contentTabs (in Thunderbird).

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Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...

[Phillip Jones]

NoOp wrote:

On 12/22/2009 06:39 PM, Phillip Jones wrote:

NoOp wrote:
---snip---


But apparently do not understand the risks associated with html and
javascript in emails. You can of course choose to ignore the default
settings&   SeaMonkey/about:config allows you to do that.

---snip---

JavaScript was in html mail as far as back perhaps Netscape Navigator
3.0.1.a Gold.  and the h=whole time not once did I experience a Problem
And I have viewed many a html or newsgroup post with JavaScript in it
and not once a problem. Yet recently there is all the fear of JavaScript.

Talk about something dangerous, talk about Active-X. Active-X is a lot
more Dangerous than JavaScript.


SeaMonkey doesn't run Active-X&  so the reference isn't relevant here.

You've also been advocating html&  javascript in email for as long as I
remember. I wonder how your spam rate is? Also keep in mind that you run
a Mac, so the issues of something spinning up on your Mac vs that of a
Windows user is perhaps different.

Just because you've kept the blinders on all these years doesn't mean
that html&  javascript in emails is a good thing. Google will certainly
show you that.


SM I aware doesn't use active-X, and Apple has the good since not to 
allow it period in their OS. But I made the reference to it because it 
is a far , far, far greater risk that JavaScript ever will be.


Rather that take out features because a few very few consider it a Risk. 
Use common sense.  allow the users decide. Up until it was banned there 
has always been a choice in the the preferences  all the way back to 
the beginning of communicator and possibly Netscape Navigator 3.0.1.a 
Gold to turn it on or off.


What happened recently? Have people even experienced users become 
dumber?? If people screw up let them take responsibility for their own 
actions.


Java Years ago was the scourge of the day. But It was be made 
relatively safe. It was put in what is called a sandbox. Can't be 
JavaScript be  altered to do the same? I suppose the Difference is That 
Java was created by Sun a big company. while JavaScript was created by 
the developers on Netscape/ Mosaic that are not around anymore.


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Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...

[David Wilkinson]

Jens Hatlak wrote:
> That won't have any effect. JS in MailNews is gone for good:
> 
> 
> The reason that the pref is still appearing in about:config is that the
> relevant patch applies against core code which follows different time
> schedules. The pref will be removed from about:config in SeaMonkey 2.1.
> 

Jens:

I don't care about Javascript in mailnews (as long as it's not on bt default),
but I think that it should be possible to turn it on for RSS.

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Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...

[David Wilkinson]

Philip Chee wrote:
> Well it's back partially (or going to be back partially) but only for
> *non* mailnews content such as RSS feeds and other third party
> contentTabs (in Thunderbird).

Yes, I think it is important to allow different settings for RSS and mailnews.

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Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...

[Phillip Jones]

NoOp wrote:

On 12/22/2009 06:39 PM, Phillip Jones wrote:

NoOp wrote:
---snip---


But apparently do not understand the risks associated with html and
javascript in emails. You can of course choose to ignore the default
settings&   SeaMonkey/about:config allows you to do that.

---snip---

JavaScript was in html mail as far as back perhaps Netscape Navigator
3.0.1.a Gold.  and the h=whole time not once did I experience a Problem
And I have viewed many a html or newsgroup post with JavaScript in it
and not once a problem. Yet recently there is all the fear of JavaScript.

Talk about something dangerous, talk about Active-X. Active-X is a lot
more Dangerous than JavaScript.


SeaMonkey doesn't run Active-X&  so the reference isn't relevant here.

You've also been advocating html&  javascript in email for as long as I
remember. I wonder how your spam rate is? Also keep in mind that you run
a Mac, so the issues of something spinning up on your Mac vs that of a
Windows user is perhaps different.

Just because you've kept the blinders on all these years doesn't mean
that html&  javascript in emails is a good thing. Google will certainly
show you that.


I have very little spam. I have one email box have open just to catch 
spam. and this one that I have been using for years I average about 4 
to 5 pieces a day. SM Spam filtering works well Plus My computer is set 
up to operate in stealth mode. If anyone else that has a Mac might be 
able explain better what that is. Plus my ISP doesn't use static IP. and 
uses DHCP. On the mailbox I keep as a spam Catcher the spam filtering I 
have set up through my ISP's web-mail catches some and about once a week 
I go into web mail and dump spam the have retained in junk folder I look 
and to see  whats what and delete about once a a week. I expect I have 
less spam than most of the other here do. On the spam catcher account I 
am considering the Possibility of instead of sending to a Junk folder 
just to delete out right . But their is always the possibility some one 
legit might post and might be caught in the filtering.


SM's filtering might be better if I dump the training data File I 
haven't reset it in years.


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Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...

[Phillip Jones]

NoOp wrote:

On 12/22/2009 08:37 PM, NoOp wrote:

On 12/22/2009 06:39 PM, Phillip Jones wrote:

NoOp wrote:
---snip---


But apparently do not understand the risks associated with html and
javascript in emails. You can of course choose to ignore the default
settings&   SeaMonkey/about:config allows you to do that.

---snip---

JavaScript was in html mail as far as back perhaps Netscape Navigator
3.0.1.a Gold.  and the h=whole time not once did I experience a Problem
And I have viewed many a html or newsgroup post with JavaScript in it
and not once a problem. Yet recently there is all the fear of JavaScript.

Talk about something dangerous, talk about Active-X. Active-X is a lot
more Dangerous than JavaScript.


SeaMonkey doesn't run Active-X&  so the reference isn't relevant here.

You've also been advocating html&  javascript in email for as long as I
remember. I wonder how your spam rate is? Also keep in mind that you run
a Mac, so the issues of something spinning up on your Mac vs that of a
Windows user is perhaps different.

Just because you've kept the blinders on all these years doesn't mean
that html&  javascript in emails is a good thing. Google will certainly
show you that.


Sorry, forgot to add:
http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/home_networks.html#IV-A-9
(you do know who cert is... right?)

10. Disable scripting features in email programs

Because many email programs use the same code as web browsers to display
HTML, vulnerabilities that affect ActiveX, Java, and JavaScript are
often applicable to email as well as web pages. Therefore, in addition
to disabling scripting features in web browsers (see "Disable Java,
JavaScript, and ActiveX if possible", above), we recommend that users
also disable these features in their email programs.


Rufus may have some reason to want to enable javascript in emails, but
if so I'd posit that he's working in an environment that is pretty
unstable. My recommendation to him (and you) is to find another email
client&  be done with it. I'm sure that both of you Mac users have
alternatives... just do it. Simple as that.


Yeah! Just your opinion. I've had no problems with Java or JavaScript. 
Too many people running around hollering about the sky is falling the 
sky is falling. Let the individauls decides what safe for them.


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Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...

[Graham]

Phillip Jones wrote:

Rather that take out features because a few very few consider it a Risk.
Use common sense. allow the users decide. Up until it was banned there
has always been a choice in the the preferences all the way back to the
beginning of communicator and possibly Netscape Navigator 3.0.1.a Gold
to turn it on or off.


The reason the option was there is that it was known even back then that 
Javascript is a risk! It isn't a few who consider Javascript a risk: the 
inverse is actually true.



What happened recently? Have people even experienced users become
dumber?? If people screw up let them take responsibility for their own
actions.


Experience has really got nothing to do with it. It's like claiming that 
because you are an experienced driver, nothing can crash into your car.



Java Years ago was the scourge of the day. But It was be made relatively
safe. It was put in what is called a sandbox. Can't be JavaScript be
altered to do the same? I suppose the Difference is That Java was
created by Sun a big company. while JavaScript was created by the
developers on Netscape/ Mosaic that are not around anymore.


Java was always an isolated environment, and in particular applets were 
never intended to be able to affect the actual system. Just like almost 
any piece of software it has had some security problems, but they've 
been fixed as they've become known. Javascript is entirely different.



Having said all that, for those who insist on exposing their computers 
to risk, of having their personal details stolen, or becoming part of 
botnets, then the choice should be there, but defaulted to off. They 
should also be criminally liable if that results in their computer 
becoming part of a botnet, just the same as allowing your house to be 
used as a base for criminal activity.

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2.0.1 mail issues

[bobwhiteesq]

I really wish Seamonkey would not "push" the 2.0.1 version.  On one
computer that version locks up my e-mail if I try to add a cc.  I have
gone back and reinstalled 2.0 and it works fine, but each time I do
that version 2.0.1 gets pushed and installed, so I have to go back and
reinstall 2.0 again.

I have 2.0.1 on another computer and a laptop with no issues, and all
are running XP, so I have no clue as to the source of the problem.
But as the one that locks is my work computer I really can not afford
the time to deal with the issue.

Thanks for listening - would prefer just a notification that there is
an update and the choice to download or not.

Bob White
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Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?

[NFN Smith]

Benoit Renard wrote:

NFN Smith wrote:

Daniel wrote:
it's easier just to say "Firefox" as the majority option, rather than
"an XUL browser".


A web browser doesn't need to use XUL to use the Gecko rendering engine. 
Look at K-Meleon for a good example. I think Camino doesn't use XUL either.


See?  Even I didn't get the terminology right.

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Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...

[Rufus]

Phillip Jones wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 12/22/2009 06:39 PM, Phillip Jones wrote:

NoOp wrote:
---snip---


But apparently do not understand the risks associated with html and
javascript in emails. You can of course choose to ignore the default
settings&   SeaMonkey/about:config allows you to do that.

---snip---

JavaScript was in html mail as far as back perhaps Netscape Navigator
3.0.1.a Gold.  and the h=whole time not once did I experience a Problem
And I have viewed many a html or newsgroup post with JavaScript in it
and not once a problem. Yet recently there is all the fear of 
JavaScript.


Talk about something dangerous, talk about Active-X. Active-X is a lot
more Dangerous than JavaScript.


SeaMonkey doesn't run Active-X&  so the reference isn't relevant here.

You've also been advocating html&  javascript in email for as long as I
remember. I wonder how your spam rate is? Also keep in mind that you run
a Mac, so the issues of something spinning up on your Mac vs that of a
Windows user is perhaps different.

Just because you've kept the blinders on all these years doesn't mean
that html&  javascript in emails is a good thing. Google will certainly
show you that.


SM I aware doesn't use active-X, and Apple has the good since not to 
allow it period in their OS. But I made the reference to it because it 
is a far , far, far greater risk that JavaScript ever will be.


Rather that take out features because a few very few consider it a Risk. 
Use common sense.  allow the users decide. Up until it was banned there 
has always been a choice in the the preferences  all the way back to the 
beginning of communicator and possibly Netscape Navigator 3.0.1.a Gold 
to turn it on or off.


What happened recently? Have people even experienced users become 
dumber?? If people screw up let them take responsibility for their own 
actions.


Java Years ago was the scourge of the day. But It was be made relatively 
safe. It was put in what is called a sandbox. Can't be JavaScript be  
altered to do the same? I suppose the Difference is That Java was 
created by Sun a big company. while JavaScript was created by the 
developers on Netscape/ Mosaic that are not around anymore.




...hmmnnn...I recall asking for some common sense some time ago...still 
waiting, it seems...


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Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...

[Rufus]

David Wilkinson wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

Well it's back partially (or going to be back partially) but only for
*non* mailnews content such as RSS feeds and other third party
contentTabs (in Thunderbird).


Yes, I think it is important to allow different settings for RSS and mailnews.



Personally, I'd like to ability to turn it on/off for each subscription 
in Mail/News/RSS individually in the Property Pane - that would be 
ultimate goodness!


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Re: 2.0.1 mail issues

[J. Weaver Jr.]

bobwhiteesq wrote:


Thanks for listening - would prefer just a notification that there is
an update and the choice to download or not.


Edit/Preferences/Advanced/Software Installation.  -JW
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Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...

[Jens Hatlak]

David Wilkinson wrote:
> Jens Hatlak wrote:
>> That won't have any effect. JS in MailNews is gone for good:
>> 
>>
>> The reason that the pref is still appearing in about:config is that the
>> relevant patch applies against core code which follows different time
>> schedules. The pref will be removed from about:config in SeaMonkey 2.1.
>> 
> 
> I don't care about Javascript in mailnews (as long as it's not on bt default),
> but I think that it should be possible to turn it on for RSS.

I think it is on for RSS, and that's also what the first link I provided
said ("for news feeds JavaScript is enabled"). If that's not true that's
probably a bug and even then it might already be fixed on trunk (2.1pre).

HTH

Jens

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Re: SM2.01 seems to keep all my site visit history ...

[Jens Hatlak]

Ant wrote:
> Is there a way to see how many pages I visited so far?

Not directly. I was going to suggest installing the SQLite Manager
extension and running some query on places.sqlite but that seemed a bit
complicated (it'll probably involve at least one join operation).

Instead I found it works fine if you just open the History window,
select all (Ctrl+A), copy it (Ctrl+C), paste it into your favorite text
editor and check the line count. It says something like 8200 here, with
the oldest entry from 2009-10-04 (settings: 90/180/40,000).

HTH

Jens

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Re: 2.0.1 mail issues

[Jens Hatlak]

bobwhiteesq wrote:
> I really wish Seamonkey would not "push" the 2.0.1 version.  On one
> computer that version locks up my e-mail if I try to add a cc.

As a workaround, try deleting the OE Contacts address book.

HTH

Jens

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Re: 2.0.1 mail issues

[cyberzen]

J. Weaver Jr. a écrit :

bobwhiteesq wrote:


Thanks for listening - would prefer just a notification that there is
an update and the choice to download or not.


Edit/Preferences/Advanced/Software Installation. -JW

thanks for the clue
I was pushed for new 2.0.1 too

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Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...

[»Q«]

In ,
Phillip Jones  wrote:

> Rather that take out features because a few very few consider it a
> Risk. Use common sense.  allow the users decide.

This doesn't have to do with people simply considering javascript to be
a risk.  It has to do with them considering a javascript implementation
with no working security model to be something it would be
irresponsible to ship.

> What happened recently? 

A code review which found that the security model formerly
implemented for mailnews had bitrotted with no one paying attention to
it for years, followed by attempts to come up with a viable security
model.  The attempts made some progress, but the people working on it
eventually decided it wasn't worth devoting their efforts to it.

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Re: How to disable PDF files inline when Sending (Not Forwarding)

[cyberzen]

Arnie Goetchius a écrit :

Phillip Jones wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

I just sent an email (SM 2.0.1) with a PDF file as an attachment. The
recipient gets a 7 page email containing PDF code and also receives the
PDF as an attachment.

The header of the email shows

Content Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="090302010906030408030600"

but I think it should show Content Type: attachment/file or some such.

I have Preferences, Mail& Newsgroup Composition

Forward Messages check "As Attached".

That may work for forwarding messages but what about sending messages?
How do I make sending a file as an attachment as the default.? Anything
in About:config that can fix this?

I have both Acrobat 9.0 Pro Extended and Acrobat Reader 9.0 installed. I
don't know if that may be screwing things up.

Preferences > Mail & newsgroups > Send make sure to have checked the
first Item ask me what to do (Mail prompts you to choose format) either
choose HTML or Plain Text but not both.


I have two other profiles where this is not a problem. So there is
something in my main profile that is screwing this up. I will have to
investigate further to see what is causing the problem.


try (ctrl)U to see how the content type of the attachment is defined
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[user]

jim
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[user]

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Re: 2.0.1 mail issues

[Ray_Net]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

bobwhiteesq wrote:

I really wish Seamonkey would not "push" the 2.0.1 version.  On one
computer that version locks up my e-mail if I try to add a cc.


As a workaround, try deleting the OE Contacts address book.


If OE did not work well, what would you say if microsoft tell us :
As a workaround, try deleting the SM Contacts address book.  ???
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Re: How to disable PDF files inline when Sending (Not Forwarding)

[Arnie Goetchius]

cyberzen wrote:

Arnie Goetchius a écrit :

Phillip Jones wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

I just sent an email (SM 2.0.1) with a PDF file as an attachment. The
recipient gets a 7 page email containing PDF code and also receives the
PDF as an attachment.

The header of the email shows

Content Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="090302010906030408030600"

but I think it should show Content Type: attachment/file or some such.

I have Preferences, Mail& Newsgroup Composition

Forward Messages check "As Attached".

That may work for forwarding messages but what about sending messages?
How do I make sending a file as an attachment as the default.? Anything
in About:config that can fix this?

I have both Acrobat 9.0 Pro Extended and Acrobat Reader 9.0
installed. I
don't know if that may be screwing things up.

Preferences > Mail & newsgroups > Send make sure to have checked the
first Item ask me what to do (Mail prompts you to choose format) either
choose HTML or Plain Text but not both.


I have two other profiles where this is not a problem. So there is
something in my main profile that is screwing this up. I will have to
investigate further to see what is causing the problem.


try (ctrl)U to see how the content type of the attachment is defined


Here is a part of (ctrl) U

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--030600090502070403080407
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

test

--030600090502070403080407
Content-Type: text/html;
 name="bill1209.pdf"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment;
 filename="bill1209.pdf"

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Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?

[Bill Davidsen]

Phillip Jones wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:25:37 -0500, Leonidas Jones wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:


You don't seem to be able to grasp the concept of "Open Source". 
Perhaps

you should just give up and install Maxthon.



Not an option, he's on a Mac.


Parellels, VMWare Fusion, probably Virtual Box.

Phil


If I had an Intel Mac Possibly. But with a PowerPC That's out.

I believe qemu is your friend. If I can run PPC Linux on x86 I assume you can 
run x86 on PPC, although since the CPU is in software the execution is somewhat 
leisurely. Does work, tho, honest.


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Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?till not an answer

[Bill Davidsen]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Right, it is. And even maintaining al bunch of code you don't really 
know and which is sometimes written in strange ways is a quite hard job, 
have you ever tried that?


Unfortunately yes. And I looked at SM code briefly and decided it was the mutant 
offspring of people who met, drunk, at a masquerade ball. I have worked on 
projects where some programmers "marched to a different drummer," but some of 
the authors heard a whole other brass band.


Don't take that as criticism, it's my honest comment on the mismatch in code 
styles, not the competence of the authors as individuals. You have my sympathy, 
but I'm never going to work on code like that again. I applaud your courage to 
work on code from so many origins.


The SeaMonkey project mostly consists of people who have never worked on 
many parts of the code that the old suite had, most of us worked only in 
user interface ("frontend") parts and never in the platform code 
("backend") those interfaces build on, so we are simply unable to 
maintain it.


Our only chance of keeping SeaMonkey alive at all was to reduce the 
amount of unknown code we cannot maintain and replace it with code that 
is being maintained by someone else - which meant switching to the newer 
Mozilla platform, of which e.g. the new form management code is a part of.


If I may say, what is there is more "field management" than form management, 
because what is needed is to be able to save the entire form (values) as a named 
whole, not the values of the fields, requiring the user to go and change each 
field. So I can have *sets* of data to plug into a given form.


Now, that we have switched to that base and can let the old stuff die, 
we can look into ways to improve the newly acquired things and those 
parts of code that we have in the application now and should be able to 
maintain.


If I might offer a suggestion, if there was better documentation on writing 
extensions, the interfaces available to be used, some of these problems might be 
solved by people who have a need. just my thought.


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Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?till not an answer

[Bill Davidsen]

Benoit Renard wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:
Phil, in large measure, kept SM 1.1.x usable by his incredible work on 
xSidebar and porting Firefox and Thunderbird extensions to work in 
SeaMonkey.  Without that, 1.1.x was really not a usable piece of work, 
at least without Multizilla, which basically converted it to another 
application entirely.


I object to this. SeaMonkey 1.1.x is very usable without extensions.


In general I agree with that, other than a few media bits needed to play various 
streaming media, SM 1.1.xx runs fine.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.0 problem

[Daniel]

Mort wrote:

Billy wrote:

I followed the instruction to completely clear my older version
of Seamonkey and have now paid a terrible price for doing this. I now
have completely lost my entire email address books (3 of them). More
importantly, my complete bookmark file with many years of research was
also gone.
I appreciate your work to improve Seamonkey. However, your
failure to address this possibility in your download instructions has
made this program useless to me. Looks like I will have to move on
and start all over again with my research. Bummer!


Hi,

Along these lines, when my Vista Home Premium worked poorly, a
commercial computer tech switched my PC to run Windows XP Pro. Most
things are stable since then, but I have an address book problem. My old
and lengthy address book did not carry over to XP. My hard drive has all
my old address book listings under "abook.", but in narrative text form.
Try as I may, I cannot migrate it to the address book in SeaMonkey,
where only my newer addresses are listed properly in nested categories
that are clickable. Any help with this problem will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mort Linder


Mort, I don't know what you have tried, but have you tried opening your 
Bookmarks folder (in SeaMonkey, in a browser window, select 
Bookmarks->Manage Bookmarks, then under Tools, select Import, select 
File and then point to your bookmarks file.


Your mention of the name "abook"however, makes me think you are talking 
about you e-mail addressbook. If this is your problem, click on the 
Addressbook Icon at the bottom left of your mail screen, and then select 
Tools=>Import.


HTH

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Re: SM2.01 seems to keep all my site visit history ...

[Ant]

On 12/23/2009 10:50 AM PT, Jens Hatlak typed:


Is there a way to see how many pages I visited so far?


Not directly. I was going to suggest installing the SQLite Manager
extension and running some query on places.sqlite but that seemed a bit
complicated (it'll probably involve at least one join operation).

Instead I found it works fine if you just open the History window,
select all (Ctrl+A), copy it (Ctrl+C), paste it into your favorite text
editor and check the line count. It says something like 8200 here, with
the oldest entry from 2009-10-04 (settings: 90/180/40,000).


Awesome. That worked, but took forever to paste into Office 2000 SR-3's 
Word and came out wrong. :( I tried old Notepad, and that worked 
quickly. I had 5,854 lines. :)

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Re: 2.0.1 mail issues

[Daniel]

J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

bobwhiteesq wrote:


Thanks for listening - would prefer just a notification that there is
an update and the choice to download or not.


Edit/Preferences/Advanced/Software Installation. -JW


Am I missing somethingthat screen talks about "Allowing website to 
install extensions and updates".I don't have any sites listed in the 
"Allowed Sites" so www.seamonkey-project.org is not allowed to install 
updates.


In the bottom part of the screen, I do have it set up to *check* for 
updates weekly.but nowhere does it say "Install"


Am I reading too much into these words??

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Re: test only

[Daniel]

u...@domain.invalid wrote:

jim


Jim, why are you bothering those trying to fix peoples 
problems.there is a whole newsgroup set up for testing mozilla 
productand guess what??It's called mozilla.test


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Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...

[Bill Davidsen]

Rufus wrote:

David Wilkinson wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

Well it's back partially (or going to be back partially) but only for
*non* mailnews content such as RSS feeds and other third party
contentTabs (in Thunderbird).


Yes, I think it is important to allow different settings for RSS and 
mailnews.




Personally, I'd like to ability to turn it on/off for each subscription 
in Mail/News/RSS individually in the Property Pane - that would be 
ultimate goodness!


In general I think you complain too much about minor problems with workarounds 
and appreciate too little of the goodness, but on this one I agree. This is my 
computer, I want to make the decisions about what to run and how to run it, and 
while I agree that javascript should be off by default, I want to enable it by 
service (default for all mail or all news), by source (mail account, news 
server, RSS feed), and by folder (newsgroup, folders filled by message filters).


Actually I have a suggestion on how to do this, below the server or feed level 
allow js to be enabled on a per-message basis in message filters. So I can 
enable for just some small number of people I trust, or one mailing list, or 
whatever. Total flexibility with minimal code to maintain.


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SM2.0.1 and extensions

[Phillip Jones]

I just had to remove Lightning and PerfBar extension because they were 
making SM2.0.1 crash at every turn. Now I am back to just Forms History 
Control, Image zoom, QuoteColors, and web developer. I sent in reports 
with my email address. I didn't have any problems until I installed 
PrefBar.

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Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...

[Bill Davidsen]

Daniel wrote:

One wonders why there is that screen warning about fiddling with 
"about:config", if the average user is now expected to do things in 
"about:config"??


Doing things in about:config is like fiddling with the registry in Windows. It 
has the potential for vast changes in behavior, good, bad, and unexpected. I 
have no problem with the warning, if it scares off someone who should be scared 
off, good. If it prevents one "you never told me" whine on the list, good on 
that too.


I would like a command line option for "reset config to default" to tell users 
about.


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Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...

[Bill Davidsen]

NoOp wrote:


about:config
javascript.allow.mailnews;false
set to true.

You might want to look into prefbar; it essentially is a front end (and
more) to about:config settings. You can add your own buttons, and could
add a button to toggle that setting with a single click.

http://prefbar.mozdev.org/
It's the first thing that I install in SeaMonkey.
Also see:
http://prefbar.mozdev.org/help/


Thank you. Something I knew had to be there but never took the time to find.

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Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...

[Bill Davidsen]

Rufus wrote:
Just been looking over the user options between the two, and I have to 
say that as far as the user is concerned, 1.1.18 had/has far more user 
flexibility for configuration, far more informative dialog boxes, 
buttons I could actually use, and with few exceptions behaved as I 
wanted it to...


I went to 2.0 the day RSS was added, and I have had few problems (I keep the tar 
ball for a stable version handy in case an upgrade sucks). With two exceptions I 
have had no issues which I consider major, the bad to awful support for multiple 
profile conversion and the lack of a meaningful forms manager have stopped me 
from going to 2.0 on a few machines.


There was one bug of note, the problem with authenticating nntp servers, that 
eventually got fixed after people got tired of posting bs here about it being 
set up wrong.


...and then there's the missing Form Manager.  I didn't/don't use the 
Form Manager, but after looking it over in 1.1.18 I'm beginning to 
wonder why - the only shortcoming I can find is that I can't tell if the 
user option for "encrypt vs obscure" also pertains to information stored 
in the Form Manager...which is probably the only reason I can think of 
as to why I've never used it.  If/when the Form Manager is returned, 
encrypting it's contents should be implemented if it wasn't previously. 
 And the user should be informed of the specifics and applicability of 
any encryption scheme employed within the text in the associated 
function's dialog boxes.


Given a need for options, functionality, and features, I seriously doubt 
I'll be upgrading my G4 and Intel iMac machines from SM 1.1.18 anytime 
soon.  And I may just go back and downgrade my G5 iMac...one 
experimental installation is enough for me.


I can't imagine running 1.1.xx on any new machine (I set up 4-5/month) unless it 
was tasked for filling in forms. And when I get the time from other bugs in 
other programs and writing a book, I will really test drive the two extensions I 
have had people suggest to me.


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Re: SM 2.0.1 personal toolbar )bookmarks)

[Bill Davidsen]

Phillip Jones wrote:

me2 wrote:

How do I NOT show the bookmarks folder in my toolbar? I mean the one
SM adds that is named "Bookmarks", this isn't needed any way since
"Bookmarks" appears in the top drop downs, and it takes up room that I
need for other folders- I don't believe 2.0 did this



Click and hold on a Blank area in the menubar


Click what? Remember Mac is one button, Windows is two, Linux is three 
(usually). So which button is important.


==> suggestion not criticism!


 From Pop up menu choose Customize
Next click on Bookmarks Item in menu bar and drag to the open menu and 
drop.  do not drag just off of the menu or else it will disappear 
forever.be sure to drag to the open customize menu and drop. Also 
another Dumb idea putting the home button at the same level as the 
bookmark item and the book marks bar I dragged it up to the  navigation 
bar where is should have been.   some of these developers . makes 
you wonder.





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Re: SM 2.0.1 personal toolbar )bookmarks)

[Leonidas Jones]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

me2 wrote:

How do I NOT show the bookmarks folder in my toolbar? I mean the one
SM adds that is named "Bookmarks", this isn't needed any way since
"Bookmarks" appears in the top drop downs, and it takes up room that I
need for other folders- I don't believe 2.0 did this



Click and hold on a Blank area in the menubar


Click what? Remember Mac is one button, Windows is two, Linux is three
(usually). So which button is important.

==> suggestion not criticism!


Click and Hold is an old Mac version of bringing up the context menu 
with the one button mouse, works sometimes, not others. Control + Click 
always works.


Phillip said menubar when he meant toolbar. Click and Hold does bring up 
the context menu on a toolbar, and shows the customize option.


OSX Macs do support three button mice, with scrolling options.All the 
Intell Macs have shipped with multi button mice, though they need to be 
configure in System Preferences to get all the functions.


Lee

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Re: SM2.0.1 and extensions

[Leonidas Jones]

Phillip Jones wrote:

I just had to remove Lightning and PerfBar extension because they were
making SM2.0.1 crash at every turn. Now I am back to just Forms History
Control, Image zoom, QuoteColors, and web developer. I sent in reports
with my email address. I didn't have any problems until I installed
PrefBar.


Prefbar is always the first extension I install.  Lightning comes pretty 
quick after that. Both are working fine from here.  What versions of 
these extensions are you using?


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Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?

[Leonidas Jones]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:25:37 -0500, Leonidas Jones wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:



You don't seem to be able to grasp the concept of "Open Source".
Perhaps
you should just give up and install Maxthon.



Not an option, he's on a Mac.


Parellels, VMWare Fusion, probably Virtual Box.

Phil


If I had an Intel Mac Possibly. But with a PowerPC That's out.


I believe qemu is your friend. If I can run PPC Linux on x86 I assume
you can run x86 on PPC, although since the CPU is in software the
execution is somewhat leisurely. Does work, tho, honest.



I ran Q on a G5 iMac for a while, it was incredibly slow.

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Re: 2.0.1 mail issues

[NoOp]

On 12/23/2009 04:23 PM, Daniel wrote:
> J. Weaver Jr. wrote:
>> bobwhiteesq wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for listening - would prefer just a notification that there is
>>> an update and the choice to download or not.
>>
>> Edit/Preferences/Advanced/Software Installation. -JW
> 
> Am I missing somethingthat screen talks about "Allowing website to 
> install extensions and updates".I don't have any sites listed in the 
> "Allowed Sites" so www.seamonkey-project.org is not allowed to install 
> updates.
> 
> In the bottom part of the screen, I do have it set up to *check* for 
> updates weekly.but nowhere does it say "Install"
> 
> Am I reading too much into these words??
> 
> Daniel

I _think_ app.update.auto and/or app.update.silent in the about:config
is the setting for this:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Software_Update:Testing
See: 5. Update Settings

Perhaps someone with more knowledge on the settings can clarify?

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off line view of web sites

[n...@home]

I like to have access to certain web sites when I am remotely situated, 
without internet access.


I was happy using Scrapbook with earlier versions of SM, but as I 
updated SM (I am at v 2.0.1 now) Scrapbook has disappeared.  When I go 
to their site they list compatibility with Firefox, but say nothing 
about SM.


Would such a program that is compatible with Firefox also work with SM?

If not, what is a good method to capture some websites so I can use the 
information on them when I am away from the Internet?  My technical 
abilities are limited.

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Re: SM 2.0.1 personal toolbar )bookmarks)

[Phillip Jones]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

me2 wrote:

How do I NOT show the bookmarks folder in my toolbar? I mean the one
SM adds that is named "Bookmarks", this isn't needed any way since
"Bookmarks" appears in the top drop downs, and it takes up room that I
need for other folders- I don't believe 2.0 did this



Click and hold on a Blank area in the menubar


Click what? Remember Mac is one button, Windows is two, Linux is three
(usually). So which button is important.

==>  suggestion not criticism!


   From Pop up menu choose Customize
Next click on Bookmarks Item in menu bar and drag to the open menu and
drop.  do not drag just off of the menu or else it will disappear
forever.be sure to drag to the open customize menu and drop. Also
another Dumb idea putting the home button at the same level as the
bookmark item and the book marks bar I dragged it up to the  navigation
bar where is should have been.   some of these developers . makes
you wonder.




Actually Macs have been using two and three button mice for years. use 
the left mouse button just click and hold in blank area on menubar. wait 
for context menu to pop up choose Customize.


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Re: SM2.0.1 and extensions

[Phillip Jones]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

I just had to remove Lightning and PerfBar extension because they were
making SM2.0.1 crash at every turn. Now I am back to just Forms History
Control, Image zoom, QuoteColors, and web developer. I sent in reports
with my email address. I didn't have any problems until I installed
PrefBar.


Prefbar is always the first extension I install.  Lightning comes pretty
quick after that. Both are working fine from here.  What versions of
these extensions are you using?

Lee

Lightning  had pre3 at the end of the version number.
and Prefbar was the latest version that was compatible with SM 2.0 I got 
it from Mozdev


Forms history control was recently updated to 1.1.4 from 1.1.3 but that 
was before the download of Prefbar.


I hadn't

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Re: off line view of web sites

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In ,
"n...@home"  wrote:

> I like to have access to certain web sites when I am remotely
> situated, without internet access.
> 
> I was happy using Scrapbook with earlier versions of SM, but as I 
> updated SM (I am at v 2.0.1 now) Scrapbook has disappeared.  When I
> go to their site they list compatibility with Firefox, but say
> nothing about SM.

Try Philip Chee's modified version at
.  Note that you
also need his xSidebar extension installed.  Philip hangs out here, in
case you run into any trouble.

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Re: SM2.0.1 and extensions

[Leonidas Jones]

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

I just had to remove Lightning and PerfBar extension because they were
making SM2.0.1 crash at every turn. Now I am back to just Forms History
Control, Image zoom, QuoteColors, and web developer. I sent in reports
with my email address. I didn't have any problems until I installed
PrefBar.


Prefbar is always the first extension I install. Lightning comes pretty
quick after that. Both are working fine from here. What versions of
these extensions are you using?

Lee

Lightning had pre3 at the end of the version number.
and Prefbar was the latest version that was compatible with SM 2.0 I got
it from Mozdev

Forms history control was recently updated to 1.1.4 from 1.1.3 but that
was before the download of Prefbar.

I hadn't



I've got PrefBar 4.3.1 installed and running fine. Lightning is an older 
nightly, I'll try installing the beta release and see how it works. 
Forms history also updated for me to 1.1.4. SM 2.0.1 haas yet to crash 
since I installed it, on two machines.


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Re: SM2.0.1 and extensions

[NoOp]

On 12/23/2009 07:18 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:
...
> 
> I've got PrefBar 4.3.1 installed and running fine. Lightning is an older 
> nightly, I'll try installing the beta release and see how it works. 
> Forms history also updated for me to 1.1.4. SM 2.0.1 haas yet to crash 
> since I installed it, on two machines.
> 
> Lee

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6)
Gecko/20091206 Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.1

Prefbar 4.3.2

No issues.

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Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...

[Rufus]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Rufus wrote:

David Wilkinson wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

Well it's back partially (or going to be back partially) but only for
*non* mailnews content such as RSS feeds and other third party
contentTabs (in Thunderbird).


Yes, I think it is important to allow different settings for RSS and 
mailnews.




Personally, I'd like to ability to turn it on/off for each 
subscription in Mail/News/RSS individually in the Property Pane - that 
would be ultimate goodness!


In general I think you complain too much about minor problems with 
workarounds and appreciate too little of the goodness, but on this one I 
agree. This is my computer, I want to make the decisions about what to 
run and how to run it, and while I agree that javascript should be off 
by default, I want to enable it by service (default for all mail or all 
news), by source (mail account, news server, RSS feed), and by folder 
(newsgroup, folders filled by message filters).


Actually I have a suggestion on how to do this, below the server or feed 
level allow js to be enabled on a per-message basis in message filters. 
So I can enable for just some small number of people I trust, or one 
mailing list, or whatever. Total flexibility with minimal code to maintain.




...personally, I don't think one needs to complain about the goodness.

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Re: SM2.0.1 and extensions

[Leonidas Jones]

NoOp wrote:

On 12/23/2009 07:18 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:
...


I've got PrefBar 4.3.1 installed and running fine. Lightning is an older
nightly, I'll try installing the beta release and see how it works.
Forms history also updated for me to 1.1.4. SM 2.0.1 haas yet to crash
since I installed it, on two machines.

Lee


Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6)
Gecko/20091206 Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.1

Prefbar 4.3.2

No issues.



I updated both Prefbar and Lightning, so far so good but small sample size.

 Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6) 
Gecko/20091206 Lightning/1.0b1 Mnenhy/0.7.6.0 SeaMonkey/2.0.1


With Prefbar 4.3.2.

Phillp, try here for the Lightning rc:

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/calendar/lightning/releases/1.0b1rc1/mac/

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Re: off line view of web sites

[Danny Kile]

n...@home wrote:

I like to have access to certain web sites when I am remotely situated,
without internet access.

I was happy using Scrapbook with earlier versions of SM, but as I
updated SM (I am at v 2.0.1 now) Scrapbook has disappeared. When I go to
their site they list compatibility with Firefox, but say nothing about SM.

Would such a program that is compatible with Firefox also work with SM?

If not, what is a good method to capture some websites so I can use the
information on them when I am away from the Internet? My technical
abilities are limited.
I use a program called Local Website Archive. I install it on a flash 
drive and carry it in my pocket. That way I have it wherever I go and on 
any PC that has a USB port


You can get it here: http://www.aignes.com/lwa.htm

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Re: SM2.01 seems to keep all my site visit history ...

[Philip Chee]

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:15:41 -0800, Ant wrote:

> Awesome. That worked, but took forever to paste into Office 2000 SR-3's 
> Word and came out wrong. :( I tried old Notepad, and that worked 
> quickly. I had 5,854 lines. :)

That's one of the reasons that lawyers and people paid by the word still
prefer Wordperfect to Office/Word, since Microsoft never got the hang of
doing accurate word/line counts.

Phil

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SeaMonkey 2.0.1 won't print emails

[Peter]

SeaMonkey 2.0.1 won't print emails, or anything.

Can anyone help please?..

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=1661975&start=0

Thank you.

Peter
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Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?till not an answer

[Philip Chee]

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:02:46 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:

> Unfortunately yes. And I looked at SM code briefly and decided it was the 
> mutant 
> offspring of people who met, drunk, at a masquerade ball. I have worked on 
> projects where some programmers "marched to a different drummer," but some of 
> the authors heard a whole other brass band.

Did you know that the Netscape engineer who designed and implemented the
Mork file format wrote all his newsgroup/forum postings in haiku? I am
sure you will not be surprised that mozilla is moving as fast as
possible to replace all uses of mork with sqlite. Despite some
performance problems with sqlite (due to it being a general purpose
RDBMS to be sure) the code is much much, well, saner, not to mention
being actually understandable by mere mortals.

Phil

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oh Night, and so be good for us to pass.
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Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?till not an answer

[Rufus]

Philip Chee wrote:

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:02:46 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:

Unfortunately yes. And I looked at SM code briefly and decided it was the mutant 
offspring of people who met, drunk, at a masquerade ball. I have worked on 
projects where some programmers "marched to a different drummer," but some of 
the authors heard a whole other brass band.


Did you know that the Netscape engineer who designed and implemented the
Mork file format wrote all his newsgroup/forum postings in haiku? I am
sure you will not be surprised that mozilla is moving as fast as
possible to replace all uses of mork with sqlite. Despite some
performance problems with sqlite (due to it being a general purpose
RDBMS to be sure) the code is much much, well, saner, not to mention
being actually understandable by mere mortals.

Phil



...holy crap.  How can you even call it a "team", if there's no 
discipline or coordination between the "team" members - volunteers or 
not?  I'm beginning to understand what the core problem here is...and 
I'm not much encouraged by what I'm learning/hearing.


Hopefully, the best and most "forward" move to come with the 2.x release 
series will be some discipline and cooperative standards...


SM 1.1.18 does what I need, and the way I need it done.  And I've been 
looking over alternatives left and right - Firefox...nogo.  Camino, 
Stainless, Chrome, and Safari all look like they have common roots.


Thunderbird 3.0 - I have to say I'm increasingly impressed the more I 
use it.  So, it's looking like I may end up dropping my predilection for 
the integrated suite.  At least I'm finding alternatives that would fit 
my preference as a user.  But SM 1.1.18 still kicks it.


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Re: 2.0.1 mail issues

[Daniel]

NoOp wrote:

On 12/23/2009 04:23 PM, Daniel wrote:

J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

bobwhiteesq wrote:


Thanks for listening - would prefer just a notification that there is
an update and the choice to download or not.


Edit/Preferences/Advanced/Software Installation. -JW


Am I missing somethingthat screen talks about "Allowing website to
install extensions and updates".I don't have any sites listed in the
"Allowed Sites" so www.seamonkey-project.org is not allowed to install
updates.

In the bottom part of the screen, I do have it set up to *check* for
updates weekly.but nowhere does it say "Install"

Am I reading too much into these words??

Daniel


I _think_ app.update.auto and/or app.update.silent in the about:config
is the setting for this:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Software_Update:Testing
See: 5. Update Settings

Perhaps someone with more knowledge on the settings can clarify?



Thanks for that, NoOp. By default a.u.auto is set to True and a.u.silent 
is set to False, which, to me, means it will automatically update but 
will tell me it's doing it, which is what happened.


What *I* expected would happen was that SM would tell me there was an 
update available and ask if I wanted to get and/or install it.


Daniel
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.1 won't print emails

[Farelf]

Peter wrote:


SeaMonkey 2.0.1 won't print emails, or anything.

Can anyone help please?..

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=1661975&start=0

Thank you.

Peter


Can't replicate that problem.  Something in configuration as someone 
suggested elsewhere?


In "about:config" (from browser) I see

print.print_printer;user set;string;Lexmark X6100 Series

followed by four print.print_unwriteable_margin_bottom (etc.) default 
settings ... then a heap of print.printer_Lexmark_X6100_Series.(various 
things that match the paper orientation, odd-even page and other 
features of my printer, all "user set") ... then


print.save_print_settings;default;boolean;true
print.show_print_progress;default;boolean;true
print.use_global_printsettings;default;boolean;true
print.whileInPrintPreview;default;boolean;true

Do you see anything like that?


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Re: SM2.0.1 and extensions

[David E. Ross]

On 12/23/2009 7:47 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>> On 12/23/2009 07:18 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:
>> ...
>>>
>>> I've got PrefBar 4.3.1 installed and running fine. Lightning is an older
>>> nightly, I'll try installing the beta release and see how it works.
>>> Forms history also updated for me to 1.1.4. SM 2.0.1 haas yet to crash
>>> since I installed it, on two machines.
>>>
>>> Lee
>>
>> Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6)
>> Gecko/20091206 Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.1
>>
>> Prefbar 4.3.2
>>
>> No issues.
>>
> 
> I updated both Prefbar and Lightning, so far so good but small sample size.
> 
>   Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6) 
> Gecko/20091206 Lightning/1.0b1 Mnenhy/0.7.6.0 SeaMonkey/2.0.1
> 
> With Prefbar 4.3.2.
> 
> Phillp, try here for the Lightning rc:
> 
> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/calendar/lightning/releases/1.0b1rc1/mac/
> 
> Lee

Is it possibly a Mac-specific issue?  That is, is it possible that some
of the extensions don't work right on a Mac?

I have the following:
* Adblock Plus 1.1.2 (http://adblockplus.org/)
* Flashblock 1.3.15 (http://flashblock.mozdev.org/)
* PrefBar 4.3.1 (http://prefbar.mozdev.org/)
* Show Password On Input 0.1.3 (https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird
/addon/6143/)
plus some that came automatically with SeaMonkey.

These are all running okay on my PC with Windows XP SP2 and
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6)
 Gecko/20091206 SeaMonkey/2.0.1

I plan to install PrefBar 4.3.2 tonight.

-- 
David E. Ross


Go to Mozdev at  for quick access to
extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other
Mozilla-related applications.  You can access Mozdev much
more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons.
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Re: off line view of web sites

[JeffM]

Danny Kile wrote:
>I use a program called Local Website Archive.
>
>http://www.aignes.com/lwa.htm

I find it fascinating that the website for a company in that business
doesn't pass muster:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.aignes.com/lwa.htm
5 Errors

Compare:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modified.html
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