Re: Local Folders
On 3/29/2010 2:27 AM, Monica wrote: John Doue wrote: On 3/28/2010 8:19 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote: Monica wrote: What is Local Folders that I see in my mail newsgroup list? What is it´s purpose? http://kb.mozillazine.org/Local_Folders HTH Jens This is the politically correct answer. One question remains on my mind: before Local Folders (was Mozilla Suite which started this), what was it we could not do today with them? Not obvious, except for one thing which became easier with them: Some people use Local Folders as a place to archive old messages, so that their actively used mail folders are smaller and less cluttered (cited from the URL above). Lots of users keep an inordinate amount of mail in the Inbox. Local Folders can indeed be used as a storage area for emails that are not immediately needed but that should still remain readily accessible. Personally, this is the only practical use I ever found for Local Folders. Regards John Doue Thanks for the clarification! You are very welcome. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: optmd.com
On 3/28/10, question tr...@try.biz wrote: Anyone figure how to Stop Optmd.com's Pop unders? Editing the windows host file just Blocks the Ad within the pop under, still have to Close out the optmd window. http://www.privoxy.org/ Some sites that give this popunder freep.com detnews.com mlive.com popunder loads when u click on a news article.and only ONCE PER DAY for each site. I tried all three - clicked on several links no popunders Regards, Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
PrefBar User Agent switching to FF
I know I did this before, but can't figure out now, how it was done! Sorry for asking again. Anyway, I can't figure out how to get into that part of PrefBar where you can add in new user agents, such as FF, or whatever you want. Help...? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: PrefBar User Agent switching to FF
Cedar wrote: I know I did this before, but can't figure out now, how it was done! Sorry for asking again. Anyway, I can't figure out how to get into that part of PrefBar where you can add in new user agents, such as FF, or whatever you want. Help...? Note I an giving direction based on my use in SeaMonkey and a Macintosh but directions should be the same: Tools menu Addons click on PrefBar go to Preferences Toolbar Options put check box in Show on menubar. Then when you get out of addons you will see a Separate PrefBar item on main menu bar. click on USER AGENT. select desired User Agent. Go to desired page. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Keep having to delete Inbox.msf
Dick Hoffman wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Dick Hoffman wrote: I'm using SM 2.0.3 under Windows XP-SP3. Recently I've started getting a message to the effect that SM experienced a problem truncating the Inbox after moving a message to another folder and that I might have to shut down SM and delete Inbox.msf. This happens about once a week and it's annoying. Any idea what's causing this and what I can do to stop it from happening? (This is my biggest problem with SM 2 - all in all a terrific product.) Running out of disk or memory? I doubt it, Bill. There's 40G of hard drive free and the system has 1 G of RAM. That's not a lot of RAM, but should be enough. After reading my morning mail this copy is 600MB, so depending on what you read and browse it can get big. The only times I've seen a problem such as you describe was when the temp space was low, even when other filesystems had space. Windows is usually configured to let all disk be used for any reason, so 40GB is plenty. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: A pop up alive forever
Mark Hansen wrote: On 3/27/2010 5:38 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I had this problem with SM1, and expected a solution in SM2. NO !!! Sometimes when sending mail, the popup windows entitled Sending Messages - mail-subject with Status: Copy complete Progress: [showing a never ending moving little green bar] is visible. The mail is well sent. The copy of the mail in the Sent box is done. This pop-up did on end ... - What could we do with this bug ? I believe that it happens when the SMTP server accepts the mail but doesn't return a final status indicating it's done. It usually will complete if you leave it for a bit, I'm moderately convinced that it's a server problem. That's debatable. If what you say is true, the server is doing something which the application is not dealing with, and it should. Leaving the dialog up there forever (I once left it for a day, it was clear it was never going to go away on its own) is not the answer. I don't see it on most of my mail, where the mail server is my own, and doesn't hang. I see it on remote mail (and news) servers, and when it finally completes there's a bump in network usage about the right size for a completion message and socket teardown. Given that your dialog eventually goes away on its own, perhaps it's a different problem? I've seen this on my own, local SMTP server. This lives on my local network. My network is never very busy. Of course, this doesn't mean that it's not a timeout of some kind, but it seems unlikely. It's happened to me several times, and there has never been anything going on at the time that made me think it may be a resource issue. Let me restate that, I have never seen it on a non-Windows server, although the server at one ISP (Linux) does bog down for minutes because they can't add memory and get into swap. That doesn't mean there isn't a SM bug, but may be a clue about what triggers it. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
install SeaMonkey
The last time if upgraded to SeaMonkey (2.03) I did it over top the previous SeaMonkey. Could this be the reason that I am having so many crashes. Barb Mac osx 10.4.11 768 mb ram ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: PrefBar User Agent switching to FF
On 3/28/10 11:59 PM, Cedar wrote: I know I did this before, but can't figure out now, how it was done! Sorry for asking again. Anyway, I can't figure out how to get into that part of PrefBar where you can add in new user agents, such as FF, or whatever you want. Help...? This is different in PrefBar 5.x than it was in PrefBar 4.x. 1. On the PrefBar toolbar, right-click. Select Customize Prefbar. 2. On the of the Preferences window, scroll either Available Items or Enabled Items (depending on whether you have enabled the User Agent menulist) until you see User Agent. 3. Right-click on User Agent. Select Edit. 4. If you want to add a new user agent to the list, left-click on the + button at the lower-left of the Edit Item window; insert a short label under Label and the full user agent string under Value. If you want to update an existing entry in the list, just change it under Value (and even under Label if appropriate). 5. Select the OK button on the Edit Item window and the OK button on the Preferences Toolbar pane. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: A pop up alive forever
chicagofan wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I had this problem with SM1, and expected a solution in SM2. NO !!! Sometimes when sending mail, the popup windows entitled Sending Messages -mail-subject with Status: Copy complete Progress: [showing a never ending moving little green bar] is visible. The mail is well sent. The copy of the mail in the Sent box is done. This pop-up did on end ... - What could we do with this bug ? I believe that it happens when the SMTP server accepts the mail but doesn't return a final status indicating it's done. It usually will complete if you leave it for a bit, I'm moderately convinced that it's a server problem. I don't see it on most of my mail, where the mail server is my own, and doesn't hang. I see it on remote mail (and news) servers, and when it finally completes there's a bump in network usage about the right size for a completion message and socket teardown. I have let it run for ten minutes and went on with other messages receiving and sending replies. Its a bug. I've been using the same ISP which has the same SMTP Server , update equipment and software over the years. Same here... it's been happening on my regular server/ISP since version 1.1.14, through the latest release SM 2.0.4. bj Therefore, it's a SM bug ... and no hope for a solution . :-( Nohope, because, it needs votes and interesting developers ... Not the same for New Features ... more fancy, more chances to be implemented rapidly. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: A pop up alive forever
Ray_Net wrote: chicagofan wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I had this problem with SM1, and expected a solution in SM2. NO !!! Sometimes when sending mail, the popup windows entitled Sending Messages -mail-subject with Status: Copy complete Progress: [showing a never ending moving little green bar] is visible. The mail is well sent. The copy of the mail in the Sent box is done. This pop-up did on end ... - What could we do with this bug ? I believe that it happens when the SMTP server accepts the mail but doesn't return a final status indicating it's done. It usually will complete if you leave it for a bit, I'm moderately convinced that it's a server problem. I don't see it on most of my mail, where the mail server is my own, and doesn't hang. I see it on remote mail (and news) servers, and when it finally completes there's a bump in network usage about the right size for a completion message and socket teardown. I have let it run for ten minutes and went on with other messages receiving and sending replies. Its a bug. I've been using the same ISP which has the same SMTP Server , update equipment and software over the years. Same here... it's been happening on my regular server/ISP since version 1.1.14, through the latest release SM 2.0.4. bj Therefore, it's a SM bug ... and no hope for a solution . :-( Nohope, because, it needs votes and interesting developers ... Not the same for New Features ... more fancy, more chances to be implemented rapidly. Oh, I don't know. If Phillip would post his bugzilla report no. here, we might get more support for a fix, and attract the attention of someone who could fix it. Anyway, it couldn't hurt. :) I have to say though, that's pretty random for me, and I'd prefer to know why my browser switches to my e-mail window, when some commercial popups come up at various sites. ;) Obviously, they weren't blocked, yet SM sometimes says they are, and other times not. [The same ad, same site.] bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: install SeaMonkey
Barbara Norvell a écrit : The last time if upgraded to SeaMonkey (2.03) I did it over top the previous SeaMonkey. Could this be the reason that I am having so many crashes. You installed it right over the previous version, in the same folder? Then yes, it's likely the source of your problems. S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: install SeaMonkey
On 3/29/10 6:58 AM, Barbara Norvell wrote: The last time if upgraded to SeaMonkey (2.03) I did it over top the previous SeaMonkey. Could this be the reason that I am having so many crashes. Barb Mac osx 10.4.11 768 mb ram If you installed it over 2.0, 2.0.1, or 2.0.2, there should be no problem. If you installed it over a 1.X version, that might be the problem. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Facebook and SM 1.1
I hardly ever use FaceBook (FB), but since my grown kids use it, I have to... Problem is, the cursor clicks don't accomplish anything. Is there some toggle for SM 1.1 that makes FaceBook's links and such work ? I tried Ctrl-Click and FB responds with a new window - but that is all. Deleting messages won't delete. (Select works but won't delete.) Some things respond - others don't. Is this a general problem ? I don't want to use IE, but may have to go there ! Help ? DoctorBill -- We have sold the Farm and we're giving our kids the Mortgage. Newt Gingrich ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Keep having to delete Inbox.msf
Bill Davidsen wrote: Dick Hoffman wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Dick Hoffman wrote: I'm using SM 2.0.3 under Windows XP-SP3. Recently I've started getting a message to the effect that SM experienced a problem truncating the Inbox after moving a message to another folder and that I might have to shut down SM and delete Inbox.msf. This happens about once a week and it's annoying. Any idea what's causing this and what I can do to stop it from happening? (This is my biggest problem with SM 2 - all in all a terrific product.) Running out of disk or memory? I doubt it, Bill. There's 40G of hard drive free and the system has 1 G of RAM. That's not a lot of RAM, but should be enough. After reading my morning mail this copy is 600MB, so depending on what you read and browse it can get big. The only times I've seen a problem such as you describe was when the temp space was low, even when other filesystems had space. Windows is usually configured to let all disk be used for any reason, so 40GB is plenty. I used to get this message frequently -- every day at some point, and I would rebuild the index and compact -- with both 1.1.* and 2.0.*, until relatively recently when I took a lot of older messages out of my Inbox (I probably had 10K), compacted, and rebuilt the index. Then the problem disappeared. It seemed to have something to do with the size of the Inbox file. Bob ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Facebook and SM 1.1
On 3/29/10 8:18 AM, DoctorBill wrote: I hardly ever use FaceBook (FB), but since my grown kids use it, I have to... Problem is, the cursor clicks don't accomplish anything. Is there some toggle for SM 1.1 that makes FaceBook's links and such work ? I tried Ctrl-Click and FB responds with a new window - but that is all. Deleting messages won't delete. (Select works but won't delete.) Some things respond - others don't. Is this a general problem ? I don't want to use IE, but may have to go there ! Help ? DoctorBill Facebook might be sniffing for your browser and failing to support SeaMonkey 1.1. Try upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.0.3 and see if you still have a problem. For an explanation of sniffing, see my http://www.rossde.com/internet/Webdevelopers.html#sniff. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Moving from 1.1.18 (now default) to 2.0.3 (to become default).
Frog wrote:
I have now used SeaMonkey 2.0.3 in a learning mode long enough for me to
believe that it will meet my personal browser requirements. In fact,
the only difficulty I found with 2.0.3 was a problem with the Go
button on the mail window (see earlier thread in this group titled Mail
Newsgroup Account Settings and Leave Messages on Server Settings for
details about that problem).
I am now wanting to know the best way to migrate all of my mail, address
book, settings, etc. (not sure what else might be included under my
profile) from 1.1.18 to 2.0.3.
I have set 2.0.3, so that it leaves all messages on the server during
this learning period--messages are removed when downloaded to 1.1.18. I
have only downloaded a very small number of messages to 2.0.3, since it
was installed on my system. Thus, I would like to make sure that 2.0.3
includes all of the messages that are presently on 1.1.18.
As with the messages, there have been other changes on 1.1.18 that must
be migrated to 2.0.3. Additions have been made to the address book and
setting changes have been made. I desire to have 2.0.3 up-to-date on
these subjects and any others, that I am not technically knowledgeable
about and that should also be migrated.
I have only one Profile in 1.1.18 and only one profile in 2.0.3 (it was
migrated from 1.1.18 as a part of the installation of 2.0.3 on my system).
I need some basic-level instructions on how to update 2.0.3 with 1.1.18
information.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Windows XP Pro SP3
Frog
Thank you, MCBastos and Mark Hansen for your helpful messages.
Please forgive me, if this message is a little long--I just want to
share with you a snippet of my Windows Explorer view and then ask my
questions.
Here, I think, is what I need to work with when backing up my profile:
c:\Documents and Settings\Frog\Application Data\Mozilla
Extensions
{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
ho...@tomtom.com
Profiles
Frog-SeaM
g62n48iz.slt
chrome
Mail
incoming.verizon.net
Local Folders
News
msnews.microsoft.com
news
news.mozilla-1.org
news.mozilla.org
SeaMonkey
Crash Reports
Profiles
5v3u7ibc.default
chrome
extensions
{59c81df5-4b7a-477b-912d-4e0fdf64e5f2}
chrome
icons
default
components
Mail
incoming.veriaon.net
Local Folders
minidumps
News
msnews.microsoft.com
news
news.mozilla.org
Here are my questions about the above data.
I believe everything from line 5 (Profiles) through line 16
(news.mozilla.org)is related to SeaMonkey 1.1.18. Is that
correct?
I believe everything from line 17 (SeaMonkey) to the end of the
data presentation is part of SeaMonkey 2.0.3. Is that correct?
I presume that making a backup would involve copying everything from
line 1 through the end of this presentation to a location on my E
drive. Is that correct?
Once the backup has been made, I would then proceed to the Profile
Manager to delete my SeaMonkey 2.0.3 default profile. I would
accomplish this by going to--startSeaMonkey(making sure that the
SeaMonkey selected belongs to 2.0.3)Profile Manager (click Manage
Profiles...)make sure the default profile is selected/highlighted
and then click Delete Profile. At this point, my SeaMonkey 2.0.3
default profile is gone--is that correct? Will this delete all of the
entries included in the above data presentation that pertain to
SeaMonkey 2.0.3?
Your instructions at this point are a little confusing to me.
MCBastos indicates that I should Use the Profile Manager to import the
profile from my 1.1.18 installation. I was unable to find any
indication of how to import information from 1.1.18 while in the
SeaMonkey 2.0.3 Profile Manager. Thus, I presume that I would have to
create a new profile before the import option would appear. Is that
correct?
Mark Hansen indicates that once the 2.0.3 default profile is gone, I
can then launch SM 2.x again and it will ask if I want to migrate my
1.1.18 profile information to a new 2.0.3 profile. Is this correct?
The migration of this information during installation of 2.0.3 worked
just fine, so let's hope that process will go smoothly again.
Once the new profile is established for 2.0.3, I will change the
settings in 1.1.18 to check Leave messages on the server and uncheck
Leave messages on the server' on 2.0.3. I will make this
Re: Creating HTML email messages
On 3/28/2010 6:17 PM On a whim, Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Terry R. wrote: I can compose an HTML document (and of course depending on how extreme the formatting is), and the size won't be much more than 10%-20% of it's plain text counterpart. And zero errors. You might be able to do that, Terry, (and so could I) but most HTML email clients sure can't. Do you get email from, say, yahoo mail users? A one or two sentence message runs around 13-16KB usually. Here's a small snippet from a four-sentence message I got yesterday via yahoogroups. [snip code] The 302 lines of *styling* were in a secondhead section after all the HTML and content! Oh, and viewing the email in HTML, it is just the four lines in the Georgia font. No other formatting was applied by the sender. I can't speak for Yahoo mail, and I don't know anyone that uses it offhand. Really? I'd say about 20-25% of the mail I get comes from yahoo. I just searched my AB. One Yahoo user. But I was responding directly to David's comment of, If a 1 MB plain-text message were instead composed as an HTML-formatted message, the result would be approximately 4.6 MB. And it would likely have approximately 21,000 HTML syntax errors. Heh, I'm sure that was a misuse of MB .. where he meant KB (which would be about right, a typical 4 to 1 ratio. The email I cited has 67 words (357 bytes), and from Yahoo needed 13 Kilobytes of HTML. Or he may just have been exaggerating for fun. and I believe he overstated the numbers quite a bit. Maybe if the email was sent as PT HTML using Word, but not just HTML, and not the error count either. Ewww. Word, as the editor for OE, does a *terrible* job of HTML. Couldn't agree more. Terry R. -- Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: A pop up alive forever
Ray_Net wrote: chicagofan wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I had this problem with SM1, and expected a solution in SM2. NO !!! Sometimes when sending mail, the popup windows entitled Sending Messages -mail-subject with Status: Copy complete Progress: [showing a never ending moving little green bar] is visible. The mail is well sent. The copy of the mail in the Sent box is done. This pop-up did on end ... - What could we do with this bug ? I believe that it happens when the SMTP server accepts the mail but doesn't return a final status indicating it's done. It usually will complete if you leave it for a bit, I'm moderately convinced that it's a server problem. I don't see it on most of my mail, where the mail server is my own, and doesn't hang. I see it on remote mail (and news) servers, and when it finally completes there's a bump in network usage about the right size for a completion message and socket teardown. I have let it run for ten minutes and went on with other messages receiving and sending replies. Its a bug. I've been using the same ISP which has the same SMTP Server , update equipment and software over the years. Same here... it's been happening on my regular server/ISP since version 1.1.14, through the latest release SM 2.0.4. bj Therefore, it's a SM bug ... and no hope for a solution . :-( Nohope, because, it needs votes and interesting developers ... Not the same for New Features ... more fancy, more chances to be implemented rapidly. Bugs do get fixed, one bug I reported (in 1.0.6 IIRC) got fixed in 2.0.2, so it happens. :-( My impression is that bugs in common code are very hard to get fixed because of the political or bureaucratic issues. Either that or people say it's in the common code as a reason why something won't get fixed. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: PrefBar User Agent switching to FF
David E. Ross wrote: On 3/28/10 11:59 PM, Cedar wrote: I know I did this before, but can't figure out now, how it was done! Sorry for asking again. Anyway, I can't figure out how to get into that part of PrefBar where you can add in new user agents, such as FF, or whatever you want. Help...? This is different in PrefBar 5.x than it was in PrefBar 4.x. 1. On the PrefBar toolbar, right-click. Select Customize Prefbar. 2. On the of the Preferences window, scroll either Available Items or Enabled Items (depending on whether you have enabled the User Agent menulist) until you see User Agent. 3. Right-click on User Agent. Select Edit. 4. If you want to add a new user agent to the list, left-click on the + button at the lower-left of the Edit Item window; insert a short label under Label and the full user agent string under Value. If you want to update an existing entry in the list, just change it under Value (and even under Label if appropriate). 5. Select the OK button on the Edit Item window and the OK button on the Preferences Toolbar pane. That's it! Wow! (wooden-head moment here!) Thanks much! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Creating HTML email messages
David E. Ross wrote: On 3/28/10 5:17 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Terry R. wrote: I can compose an HTML document (and of course depending on how extreme the formatting is), and the size won't be much more than 10%-20% of it's plain text counterpart. And zero errors. You might be able to do that, Terry, (and so could I) but most HTML email clients sure can't. Do you get email from, say, yahoo mail users? A one or two sentence message runs around 13-16KB usually. Here's a small snippet from a four-sentence message I got yesterday via yahoogroups. [snip code] The 302 lines of *styling* were in a secondhead section after all the HTML and content! Oh, and viewing the email in HTML, it is just the four lines in the Georgia font. No other formatting was applied by the sender. I can't speak for Yahoo mail, and I don't know anyone that uses it offhand. Really? I'd say about 20-25% of the mail I get comes from yahoo. But I was responding directly to David's comment of, If a 1 MB plain-text message were instead composed as an HTML-formatted message, the result would be approximately 4.6 MB. And it would likely have approximately 21,000 HTML syntax errors. Heh, I'm sure that was a misuse of MB .. where he meant KB (which would be about right, a typical 4 to 1 ratio. The email I cited has 67 words (357 bytes), and from Yahoo needed 13 Kilobytes of HTML. Or he may just have been exaggerating for fun. and I believe he overstated the numbers quite a bit. Maybe if the email was sent as PT HTML using Word, but not just HTML, and not the error count either. Ewww. Word, as the editor for OE, does a *terrible* job of HTML. I was replying to Bill Davidson, who wrote about Doesn't stop 1MB plain text either. If messages actually got that size, the equivalent message in HTML formatting would be about 4.6 times that. This is based on my examination of 20 actual HTML-formatted messages that I collected from my inbox earlier this year. As it happens, my wife has a friend who regularly sends HTML-formatted messages in the 600 KB to 1.5 MB range (a very few at large as 4 MB). My wife ignores them, leaving them on our ISP's mail server until I use a Web-mail capability to delete them. I suspect those messages include embedded graphics and the like. Do you think those images would be smaller if they were attached to text as just mime attachments? Getting a multi-MB message isn't a problem with HTML, it's a problem with clueless friends. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Keep having to delete Inbox.msf
Bob Fleischer wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Dick Hoffman wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Dick Hoffman wrote: I'm using SM 2.0.3 under Windows XP-SP3. Recently I've started getting a message to the effect that SM experienced a problem truncating the Inbox after moving a message to another folder and that I might have to shut down SM and delete Inbox.msf. This happens about once a week and it's annoying. Any idea what's causing this and what I can do to stop it from happening? (This is my biggest problem with SM 2 - all in all a terrific product.) Running out of disk or memory? I doubt it, Bill. There's 40G of hard drive free and the system has 1 G of RAM. That's not a lot of RAM, but should be enough. After reading my morning mail this copy is 600MB, so depending on what you read and browse it can get big. The only times I've seen a problem such as you describe was when the temp space was low, even when other filesystems had space. Windows is usually configured to let all disk be used for any reason, so 40GB is plenty. I used to get this message frequently -- every day at some point, and I would rebuild the index and compact -- with both 1.1.* and 2.0.*, until relatively recently when I took a lot of older messages out of my Inbox (I probably had 10K), compacted, and rebuilt the index. Then the problem disappeared. It seemed to have something to do with the size of the Inbox file. Bob That's something I can try. Currently our Inbox has 163 messages going back to last June. That doesn't sound like a lot but I'll archive the ones from June and see if that makes a difference. Dick ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Creating HTML email messages
On 3/29/10 10:37 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 3/28/10 5:17 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Terry R. wrote: I can compose an HTML document (and of course depending on how extreme the formatting is), and the size won't be much more than 10%-20% of it's plain text counterpart. And zero errors. You might be able to do that, Terry, (and so could I) but most HTML email clients sure can't. Do you get email from, say, yahoo mail users? A one or two sentence message runs around 13-16KB usually. Here's a small snippet from a four-sentence message I got yesterday via yahoogroups. [snip code] The 302 lines of *styling* were in a secondhead section after all the HTML and content! Oh, and viewing the email in HTML, it is just the four lines in the Georgia font. No other formatting was applied by the sender. I can't speak for Yahoo mail, and I don't know anyone that uses it offhand. Really? I'd say about 20-25% of the mail I get comes from yahoo. But I was responding directly to David's comment of, If a 1 MB plain-text message were instead composed as an HTML-formatted message, the result would be approximately 4.6 MB. And it would likely have approximately 21,000 HTML syntax errors. Heh, I'm sure that was a misuse of MB .. where he meant KB (which would be about right, a typical 4 to 1 ratio. The email I cited has 67 words (357 bytes), and from Yahoo needed 13 Kilobytes of HTML. Or he may just have been exaggerating for fun. and I believe he overstated the numbers quite a bit. Maybe if the email was sent as PT HTML using Word, but not just HTML, and not the error count either. Ewww. Word, as the editor for OE, does a *terrible* job of HTML. I was replying to Bill Davidson, who wrote about Doesn't stop 1MB plain text either. If messages actually got that size, the equivalent message in HTML formatting would be about 4.6 times that. This is based on my examination of 20 actual HTML-formatted messages that I collected from my inbox earlier this year. As it happens, my wife has a friend who regularly sends HTML-formatted messages in the 600 KB to 1.5 MB range (a very few at large as 4 MB). My wife ignores them, leaving them on our ISP's mail server until I use a Web-mail capability to delete them. I suspect those messages include embedded graphics and the like. Do you think those images would be smaller if they were attached to text as just mime attachments? Getting a multi-MB message isn't a problem with HTML, it's a problem with clueless friends. I you would read my http://www.rossde.com/internet/ASCIIvsHTML.html, which I cited earlier in this thread, you would see under Methodology the following: I excluded any attachments (which, for HTML-formatted messages, means excluding any images or background), links to attachments, the section for marking a message as spam (added by my ISP's mail server), and the header section of each message. The sizes from which I computed bloat DID NOT INCLUDE IMAGES. For the actual HTML-formatted messages, I copied the message source from just after the x-html tag to just before the /x-html tag and pasted the result into a new file; I then considered the size of the resulting file. For the equivalent ASCII-formatted messages, I copied the body of a displayed HTML-formatted message from my E-mail client and pasted the result into a new file; I then considered the size of the resulting file. The sizes for each of the 20 messages -- both HTML and ASCII -- are shown in a table at the end of my cited Web page. You might think that images in an HTML-formatted message traverse the Internet embedded within the message. Actually, images travel separately, as attachments. Similarly, there is a separate transfer of a file for each image in a Web page. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Keep having to delete Inbox.msf
On 03/29/2010 12:23 PM, Dick Hoffman wrote: Bob Fleischer wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: ... Running out of disk or memory? I doubt it, Bill. There's 40G of hard drive free and the system has 1 G of RAM. That's not a lot of RAM, but should be enough. After reading my morning mail this copy is 600MB, so depending on what you read and browse it can get big. The only times I've seen a problem such as you describe was when the temp space was low, even when other filesystems had space. Windows is usually configured to let all disk be used for any reason, so 40GB is plenty. I used to get this message frequently -- every day at some point, and I would rebuild the index and compact -- with both 1.1.* and 2.0.*, until relatively recently when I took a lot of older messages out of my Inbox (I probably had 10K), compacted, and rebuilt the index. Then the problem disappeared. It seemed to have something to do with the size of the Inbox file. Bob That's something I can try. Currently our Inbox has 163 messages going back to last June. That doesn't sound like a lot but I'll archive the ones from June and see if that makes a difference. Dick I doubt that is your issue; I run mirrored systems w/384, 512, 784, 1G, and 3G of ram (all mirrored w/the same SeaMonkey's) and all run just fine with multiple accounts/inboxes. The inbox for my primary account is 271Mb w/2,729 messages (not counting the subfolders etc). The 1G machine (this one) is the one that is my primary work machine and used daily. Mind you that the machines with lower memory are indeed slower, but all work just fine. So, were I you I'd look elsewhere... perhaps your file system is corrupt - try defragmenting your hard drive, run memory tests, etc., etc. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: install SeaMonkey
David E. Ross wrote: On 3/29/10 6:58 AM, Barbara Norvell wrote: The last time if upgraded to SeaMonkey (2.03) I did it over top the previous SeaMonkey. Could this be the reason that I am having so many crashes. Barb Mac osx 10.4.11 768 mb ram If you installed it over 2.0, 2.0.1, or 2.0.2, there should be no problem. If you installed it over a 1.X version, that might be the problem. Where should 2.03 be installed? Right now my SM 1.18 is in C Program Files Mozilla.org SeaMonkey. Do I install it under Mozilla.org or create another folder? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
newsgroup priorities
I really am surprized that I cannot drag around to reposition Usenet groups to my personal priority order. Is there a reason for that? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: A pop up alive forever
chicagofan wrote: Ray_Net wrote: chicagofan wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I had this problem with SM1, and expected a solution in SM2. NO !!! Sometimes when sending mail, the popup windows entitled Sending Messages -mail-subject with Status: Copy complete Progress: [showing a never ending moving little green bar] is visible. The mail is well sent. The copy of the mail in the Sent box is done. This pop-up did on end ... - What could we do with this bug ? I believe that it happens when the SMTP server accepts the mail but doesn't return a final status indicating it's done. It usually will complete if you leave it for a bit, I'm moderately convinced that it's a server problem. I don't see it on most of my mail, where the mail server is my own, and doesn't hang. I see it on remote mail (and news) servers, and when it finally completes there's a bump in network usage about the right size for a completion message and socket teardown. I have let it run for ten minutes and went on with other messages receiving and sending replies. Its a bug. I've been using the same ISP which has the same SMTP Server , update equipment and software over the years. Same here... it's been happening on my regular server/ISP since version 1.1.14, through the latest release SM 2.0.4. bj Therefore, it's a SM bug ... and no hope for a solution . :-( Nohope, because, it needs votes and interesting developers ... Not the same for New Features ... more fancy, more chances to be implemented rapidly. Oh, I don't know. If Phillip would post his bugzilla report no. here, we might get more support for a fix, and attract the attention of someone who could fix it. Anyway, it couldn't hurt. :) I have to say though, that's pretty random for me, and I'd prefer to know why my browser switches to my e-mail window, when some commercial popups come up at various sites. ;) Obviously, they weren't blocked, yet SM sometimes says they are, and other times not. [The same ad, same site.] bj The problem is that this doesn't kill SeaMonkey. It just stay on the screen with the progress bar still running and say copy is complete. And I have let it run for ten minutes on it own just to see if it would die own it own. I just switched away and let run. It didn't affect reading and posting to other messages. No is no crash report for it to send. I've been posting my about crash items as soon as I get a crash, for the last several times. I would send error reports from the web development console but it doesn't give a method to make a copy. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: A pop up alive forever
chicagofan wrote:
Ray_Net wrote:
chicagofan wrote:
Phillip Jones wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Ray_Net wrote:
I had this problem with SM1, and expected a solution in SM2.
NO !!!
Sometimes when sending mail, the popup windows entitled Sending
Messages -mail-subject with
Status: Copy complete
Progress: [showing a never ending moving little green bar]
is visible.
The mail is well sent.
The copy of the mail in the Sent box is done.
This pop-up did on end ...
- What could we do with this bug ?
I believe that it happens when the SMTP server accepts the mail but
doesn't
return a final status indicating it's done. It usually will complete
if you
leave it for a bit, I'm moderately convinced that it's a server problem.
I don't see it on most of my mail, where the mail server is my own,
and doesn't
hang. I see it on remote mail (and news) servers, and when it finally
completes
there's a bump in network usage about the right size for a completion
message
and socket teardown.
I have let it run for ten minutes and went on with other messages
receiving and sending replies. Its a bug. I've been using the same ISP
which has the same SMTP Server , update equipment and software over the
years.
Same here... it's been happening on my regular server/ISP since version
1.1.14, through the latest release SM 2.0.4.
bj
Therefore, it's a SM bug ... and no hope for a solution . :-(
Nohope, because, it needs votes and interesting developers ...
Not the same for New Features ... more fancy, more chances to be
implemented rapidly.
Oh, I don't know. If Phillip would post his bugzilla report no. here,
we might get more support for a fix, and attract the attention of
someone who could fix it. Anyway, it couldn't hurt. :)
I have to say though, that's pretty random for me, and I'd prefer to
know why my browser switches to my e-mail window, when some commercial
popups come up at various sites. ;) Obviously, they weren't blocked,
yet SM sometimes says they are, and other times not. [The same ad, same
site.]
bj
I found this in error console:
Error: uncaught exception:
[Exception... '[JavaScript Error: this.ctxItem is undefined {file:
file:///Users/phillipjones/Library/Application%20Support/SeaMonkey/Profiles/qkp403ad.default/extensions/%7Bb9db16a4-6edc-47ec-a1f4-b86292ed211d%7D/components/dhCore.js
line: 1388}]' when calling method: [dhICore::unregisterContextItem]
nsresult: 0x80570021 (NS_ERROR_XPC_JAVASCRIPT_ERROR_WITH_DETAILS)
location: JS frame :: chrome://dwhelper/content/menu.xml :: :: line
83 data: yes]
I've found tons of errors but no way to send the entire group.
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Re: Creating HTML email messages
Terry R. wrote: On 3/28/2010 6:17 PM On a whim, Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Terry R. wrote: I can compose an HTML document (and of course depending on how extreme the formatting is), and the size won't be much more than 10%-20% of it's plain text counterpart. And zero errors. You might be able to do that, Terry, (and so could I) but most HTML email clients sure can't. Do you get email from, say, yahoo mail users? A one or two sentence message runs around 13-16KB usually. Here's a small snippet from a four-sentence message I got yesterday via yahoogroups. [snip code] The 302 lines of *styling* were in a secondheadsection after all the HTML and content! Oh, and viewing the email in HTML, it is just the four lines in the Georgia font. No other formatting was applied by the sender. I can't speak for Yahoo mail, and I don't know anyone that uses it offhand. Really? I'd say about 20-25% of the mail I get comes from yahoo. I just searched my AB. One Yahoo user. But I was responding directly to David's comment of, If a 1 MB plain-text message were instead composed as an HTML-formatted message, the result would be approximately 4.6 MB. And it would likely have approximately 21,000 HTML syntax errors. Heh, I'm sure that was a misuse of MB .. where he meant KB (which would be about right, a typical 4 to 1 ratio. The email I cited has 67 words (357 bytes), and from Yahoo needed 13 Kilobytes of HTML. Or he may just have been exaggerating for fun. and I believe he overstated the numbers quite a bit. Maybe if the email was sent as PT HTML using Word, but not just HTML, and not the error count either. Ewww. Word, as the editor for OE, does a *terrible* job of HTML. Couldn't agree more. Terry R. In DreamWeaver they is even a menu item for Fix Word HTML :-) -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: A pop up alive forever
Bill Davidsen wrote: Ray_Net wrote: chicagofan wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I had this problem with SM1, and expected a solution in SM2. NO !!! Sometimes when sending mail, the popup windows entitled Sending Messages -mail-subject with Status: Copy complete Progress: [showing a never ending moving little green bar] is visible. The mail is well sent. The copy of the mail in the Sent box is done. This pop-up did on end ... - What could we do with this bug ? I believe that it happens when the SMTP server accepts the mail but doesn't return a final status indicating it's done. It usually will complete if you leave it for a bit, I'm moderately convinced that it's a server problem. I don't see it on most of my mail, where the mail server is my own, and doesn't hang. I see it on remote mail (and news) servers, and when it finally completes there's a bump in network usage about the right size for a completion message and socket teardown. I have let it run for ten minutes and went on with other messages receiving and sending replies. Its a bug. I've been using the same ISP which has the same SMTP Server , update equipment and software over the years. Same here... it's been happening on my regular server/ISP since version 1.1.14, through the latest release SM 2.0.4. bj Therefore, it's a SM bug ... and no hope for a solution . :-( Nohope, because, it needs votes and interesting developers ... Not the same for New Features ... more fancy, more chances to be implemented rapidly. Bugs do get fixed, one bug I reported (in 1.0.6 IIRC) got fixed in 2.0.2, so it happens. :-( My impression is that bugs in common code are very hard to get fixed because of the political or bureaucratic issues. Either that or people say it's in the common code as a reason why something won't get fixed. In other words this most likely will never get fixed. because of a I won't eat it, You eat it. No I want eat it, you eat syndrome. Sort of like the Problem with creating PDF's from MS Word on Mac a Long standing problem that been around for about 15 years where every time a Section break is found the pdf is stopped and a new pdf is created. Then the pieces have to knitted back together. MS says its Adobe's problem and Adobe says its Ms Problem, and they both blame Apple. Although the printing system in OSX is based on Adobe PDF, and in OS9 and lower was in C++ and Objective C. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: install SeaMonkey
Barbara Norvell wrote: The last time if upgraded to SeaMonkey (2.03) I did it over top the previous SeaMonkey. Could this be the reason that I am having so many crashes. Barb Mac osx 10.4.11 768 mb ram IF you install a full install of an application over top of an older version of the same application. is a sure method for a corrupt install. They proper method for downloading a complete install and installing, is to move the old version to trash (but do not empty Trash) then install the new. What that does is write the new to a different section of the hard Drive (as if your installing for first time.) The install from the update withing the application s get new version is different is that it only replaces that code that adds the new features. Copying over writes the whole entire file over top the whole entire file. If there is defective code it just writes over it, and there is a possibility of corrupting the new install. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: install SeaMonkey
Phillip Jones wrote: Barbara Norvell wrote: The last time if upgraded to SeaMonkey (2.03) I did it over top the previous SeaMonkey. Could this be the reason that I am having so many crashes. Barb Mac osx 10.4.11 768 mb ram IF you install a full install of an application over top of an older version of the same application. is a sure method for a corrupt install. They proper method for downloading a complete install and installing, is to move the old version to trash (but do not empty Trash) then install the new. What that does is write the new to a different section of the hard Drive (as if your installing for first time.) The install from the update withing the application s get new version is different is that it only replaces that code that adds the new features. Copying over writes the whole entire file over top the whole entire file. If there is defective code it just writes over it, and there is a possibility of corrupting the new install. Note the above is based for Macintosh. If you have a PC/Unix/Linux machine YMMV. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: newsgroup priorities
Rick Merrill wrote: I really am surprized that I cannot drag around to reposition Usenet groups to my personal priority order. Is there a reason for that? I can reposition my newsgroups within one news server. Is that what you mean? I'm using Windows XP2 and SM 2.0.4 bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: newsgroup priorities
On 3/29/10 3:44 PM, Rick Merrill wrote: I really am surprized that I cannot drag around to reposition Usenet groups to my personal priority order. Is there a reason for that? 1. Locate your profile directory. 2. In in the profile directory, open the folder named News. 3. For each news server (not newsgroup) account, you will see two files, named according to the account or the news server. One has the extension .rc; the other has .msf. In a text editor, open the .rc file for the account where you want to rearrange the newsgroups. 4. Set the viewing options NOT to wrap long lines. 5. Using cut and paste, move each line -- representing a newsgroup -- into the order you want. 6. Save and close the file. There might already be a bug report requesting a more user-friendly way to do this. Don't hold your breath waiting for it to be implemented. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: install SeaMonkey
On 3/29/10 4:39 PM, RGrannus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 3/29/10 6:58 AM, Barbara Norvell wrote: The last time if upgraded to SeaMonkey (2.03) I did it over top the previous SeaMonkey. Could this be the reason that I am having so many crashes. Barb Mac osx 10.4.11 768 mb ram If you installed it over 2.0, 2.0.1, or 2.0.2, there should be no problem. If you installed it over a 1.X version, that might be the problem. Where should 2.03 be installed? Right now my SM 1.18 is in C Program Files Mozilla.org SeaMonkey. Do I install it under Mozilla.org or create another folder? I created a separate folder named SeaMonkey2. I don't like putting everything in Program Files. Both SeaMonkey and SeaMonkey2 were directly under C: C:\SeaMonkey C:\SeaMonkey2 I was able to keep SeaMonkey 1.1.18 for a while after installing SeaMonkey 2.0. That way, I could test whether something strange was a bug or merely a change. When I finally had enough confidence in SeaMonkey 2.0, I removed SeaMonkey 1.1.18 and deleted its folder. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: install SeaMonkey
On 3/29/10 4:36 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Barbara Norvell wrote: The last time if upgraded to SeaMonkey (2.03) I did it over top the previous SeaMonkey. Could this be the reason that I am having so many crashes. Barb Mac osx 10.4.11 768 mb ram IF you install a full install of an application over top of an older version of the same application. is a sure method for a corrupt install. They proper method for downloading a complete install and installing, is to move the old version to trash (but do not empty Trash) then install the new. What that does is write the new to a different section of the hard Drive (as if your installing for first time.) The install from the update withing the application s get new version is different is that it only replaces that code that adds the new features. Copying over writes the whole entire file over top the whole entire file. If there is defective code it just writes over it, and there is a possibility of corrupting the new install. Note the above is based for Macintosh. If you have a PC/Unix/Linux machine YMMV. On my PC with Windows XP, I generally install right over the old version unless the installation instructions specifically say otherwise. For SeaMonkey and Thunderbird updates from .mar files, that is the only way to do it since the .mar files update only portions of the old version and do not contain complete new versions. If the installation instructions specifically say to delete the old version before installing a new version, I don't just delete old version. Instead, I remove (de-install) it. That cleans up the Windows registry (at least partially). -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: newsgroup priorities
David E. Ross wrote: On 3/29/10 3:44 PM, Rick Merrill wrote: I really am surprized that I cannot drag around to reposition Usenet groups to my personal priority order. Is there a reason for that? 1. Locate your profile directory. 2. In in the profile directory, open the folder named News. 3. For each news server (not newsgroup) account, you will see two files, named according to the account or the news server. One has the extension .rc; the other has .msf. In a text editor, open the .rc file for the account where you want to rearrange the newsgroups. 4. Set the viewing options NOT to wrap long lines. 5. Using cut and paste, move each line -- representing a newsgroup -- into the order you want. 6. Save and close the file. There might already be a bug report requesting a more user-friendly way to do this. Don't hold your breath waiting for it to be implemented. How much more user friendly can it get, than allowing you to drag and drop the newsgroups when the mail/ng reader is open? :) What O/S and versions of SM won't do this now? This has been possible for me in the last several 2.0 releases. bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: A pop up alive forever
Phillip Jones wrote: chicagofan wrote: Ray_Net wrote: chicagofan wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I had this problem with SM1, and expected a solution in SM2. NO !!! Sometimes when sending mail, the popup windows entitled Sending Messages -mail-subject with Status: Copy complete Progress: [showing a never ending moving little green bar] is visible. The mail is well sent. The copy of the mail in the Sent box is done. This pop-up did on end ... - What could we do with this bug ? I believe that it happens when the SMTP server accepts the mail but doesn't return a final status indicating it's done. It usually will complete if you leave it for a bit, I'm moderately convinced that it's a server problem. I don't see it on most of my mail, where the mail server is my own, and doesn't hang. I see it on remote mail (and news) servers, and when it finally completes there's a bump in network usage about the right size for a completion message and socket teardown. I have let it run for ten minutes and went on with other messages receiving and sending replies. Its a bug. I've been using the same ISP which has the same SMTP Server , update equipment and software over the years. Same here... it's been happening on my regular server/ISP since version 1.1.14, through the latest release SM 2.0.4. bj Therefore, it's a SM bug ... and no hope for a solution . :-( Nohope, because, it needs votes and interesting developers ... Not the same for New Features ... more fancy, more chances to be implemented rapidly. Oh, I don't know. If Phillip would post his bugzilla report no. here, we might get more support for a fix, and attract the attention of someone who could fix it. Anyway, it couldn't hurt. :) I have to say though, that's pretty random for me, and I'd prefer to know why my browser switches to my e-mail window, when some commercial popups come up at various sites. ;) Obviously, they weren't blocked, yet SM sometimes says they are, and other times not. [The same ad, same site.] bj The problem is that this doesn't kill SeaMonkey. It just stay on the screen with the progress bar still running and say copy is complete. And I have let it run for ten minutes on it own just to see if it would die own it own. I just switched away and let run. It didn't affect reading and posting to other messages. No is no crash report for it to send. I've been posting my about crash items as soon as I get a crash, for the last several times. I would send error reports from the web development console but it doesn't give a method to make a copy. I know... I'm sorry I brought up *another* topic in this thread. I have exactly the same problem you have with copy complete popups. About the bugzilla report, I meant, if you would give the number that was assigned to your report of this problem, other people could find it, and log their comments in over there... on the bugzilla site. bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: newsgroup priorities
chicagofan wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 3/29/10 3:44 PM, Rick Merrill wrote: I really am surprized that I cannot drag around to reposition Usenet groups to my personal priority order. Is there a reason for that? 1. Locate your profile directory. 2. In in the profile directory, open the folder named News. 3. For each news server (not newsgroup) account, you will see two files, named according to the account or the news server. One has the extension .rc; the other has .msf. In a text editor, open the .rc file for the account where you want to rearrange the newsgroups. 4. Set the viewing options NOT to wrap long lines. 5. Using cut and paste, move each line -- representing a newsgroup -- into the order you want. 6. Save and close the file. There might already be a bug report requesting a more user-friendly way to do this. Don't hold your breath waiting for it to be implemented. How much more user friendly can it get, than allowing you to drag and drop the newsgroups when the mail/ng reader is open? :) What O/S and versions of SM won't do this now? This has been possible for me in the last several 2.0 releases. bj Me too... ...one thing that TB 3.x will do is allow the user to highlight multiple subscriptions, right click, and perform contextual menu operations on the multiple selection - like declaring all read at once. That's a user friendly feature...sure hope it gets ported into SM. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Frozen SeaMonkey v2.0.3 in Linux with Photobucket.com's videos?
Hello. http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa97/Reackerant/?action=viewcurrent=CLIP0359.flv It freezes my SeaMonkey v2.0.3 in my old Debian/Linux box, but not in the one on my old updated Windows XP Pro. SP3. Both have most of the same extensions and same Flash plugins version. What about the rest of you? Thank you in advance. :) -- Still we live meanly, like ants;... like pygmies we fight with cranes;... Our life is frittered away by detail. Simplify... simplify... --Henry Thoreau /\___/\ Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: newsgroup priorities
On 3/29/10 7:17 PM, Rufus wrote: chicagofan wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 3/29/10 3:44 PM, Rick Merrill wrote: I really am surprized that I cannot drag around to reposition Usenet groups to my personal priority order. Is there a reason for that? 1. Locate your profile directory. 2. In in the profile directory, open the folder named News. 3. For each news server (not newsgroup) account, you will see two files, named according to the account or the news server. One has the extension .rc; the other has .msf. In a text editor, open the .rc file for the account where you want to rearrange the newsgroups. 4. Set the viewing options NOT to wrap long lines. 5. Using cut and paste, move each line -- representing a newsgroup -- into the order you want. 6. Save and close the file. There might already be a bug report requesting a more user-friendly way to do this. Don't hold your breath waiting for it to be implemented. How much more user friendly can it get, than allowing you to drag and drop the newsgroups when the mail/ng reader is open? :) What O/S and versions of SM won't do this now? This has been possible for me in the last several 2.0 releases. bj Me too... ...one thing that TB 3.x will do is allow the user to highlight multiple subscriptions, right click, and perform contextual menu operations on the multiple selection - like declaring all read at once. That's a user friendly feature...sure hope it gets ported into SM. I'm sorry. I was not tracking the bug report. Apparently, it was already implemented in Thunderbird. Hooray! I don't know about this in SeaMonkey. I don't use SeaMonkey's mail/news capabilities because I don't want to lose my current newsgroup session when I switch browser profiles, which I do often. (Or is that addressed in SeaMonkey 2?) -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
