Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: compact folder
Beverly Howard wrote: As with computer files, when you delete a message, it is not deleted, simply marked as deleted in order to save time. Deleted messages are copied to the relevant trash folder, so you might look there if it has not been emptied since the deletion. If you empty the trash the entire contents are permanently deleted. When you compact a folder, the entire contents of the folder are scanned and rewritten only if they are not marked as deleted. I assume (but don't know) that seamonkey rights the visible messages to a new file, then deletes the old file and gives the new file the same name as the old. If so, check the recycle bin, When a file is deleted programmatically, i think that it is not copied into the recycle bin. and, if the message is critical, it might be possible to use a file recovery tool to recover the file. If the file is simply re-written, the only recovery option would be to recover the file for the folder from a backup. This is the best approach. BUT ... if the folder is re-created uncompacted - there is not an easy way to recover an old message. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 9/20/2010 5:05 AM Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it Bug 218258 - only 28 votes in 7 years? I don't think it will get fixed. More of a new feature request than a bug. Anyhow 'gator' on April 4, 2010, suggested a work-a-round. See comment #61 at the bug page. This should satisfy the few that need the function. -- Ed http://mysite.verizon.net/vze1zhwu/ Powered by SeaMonkey: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ I am human, therefore nothing human is strange to me. -Terentius ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Titles with accents [éàôïèù] desappearing in french newsgroups
Sun, 12 Sep 2010 19:12:52 -0600, /Anne/: On french newsgroups, the titles of the message disappear sometimes, depending of the newsreader, or on the encoding of the message of the message I am replying. (...) But most of the times, while replying to a Outlook Express user. It is not dependent on the message body encoding but on the encoding of the message headers. Message headers are not permitted to contain non-ASCII characters (when transported) so whenever a non-ASCII character needs to be encoded in a message header, it should be done according to RFC 2047. Outlook Express has a very annoying option - Allow 8-bit characters in headers where it includes the characters literally (matching the message body encoding) and not encoded according to RFC 2047. If that option is not checked OE correctly encodes the headers in compliance with RFC 2047. Advice OE users to have their configuration right. Another relevant and very important OE setting is to use MIME format for sending messages. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Importing passwords to SM 2.0
Are instructions posted anywhere on how to import passwords from Seamonkey 1.18 on an old PC (Win XP) to Seamonkey 2.0 on a new PC (Win 7) with an entirely new profile? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
OT Re: Pop Up Window Won't Scroll
On 19.09.2010 22:36, Beverly Howard wrote: --- Original Message --- then you must need coke-bottle-glasses I sincerely hope that you store that thought someplace where you can reference it and reflect back on it in a few decades and reconsider it's impact on those with vision problems. Beverly Howard First of all I wasn't speaking to you but rather having a lighthearted conversation with Mr Shagnasty jibing back and forth, etc. I think if he was offended then he would have said so but I think he took the comment in jest like it was meant .. we're in the same boat. And besides, I'm already there, won't be here in those decades you mentioned when you pulled the comment OUT of context to suit your own agenda. Followup set to .general -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: compact folder
On 19.09.2010 22:46, Beverly Howard wrote: --- Original Message --- As with computer files, when you delete a message, it is not deleted, simply marked as deleted in order to save time. Deleted messages are copied to the relevant trash folder, so you might look there if it has not been emptied since the deletion. If you empty the trash the entire contents are permanently deleted. When you compact a folder, the entire contents of the folder are scanned and rewritten only if they are not marked as deleted. I assume (but don't know) that seamonkey rights the visible messages to a new file, then deletes the old file and gives the new file the same name as the old. If so, check the recycle bin, and, if the message is critical, it might be possible to use a file recovery tool to recover the file. If the file is simply re-written, the only recovery option would be to recover the file for the folder from a backup. Beverly Howard First of all please quote relevant text from the reply that you are referring to, thanks. Deleted mail does not wind up in the recycle bin and there are no recovery tools available that I am aware of to recover deleted mail once the folder(s) is compacted. When mail is deleted it's marked for deletion as you said. Mail can only be recovered that has been deleted only IF the folders haven't been compacted. Until then, the deleted message actually resides in the related .MSF file which can be read to some degree in Wordpad for instance. A good backup solution is a wise move. One such backup application is MozBackup - http://mozbackup.jasnapaka.com/ -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: compact folder
On 20.09.2010 04:09, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- If so, check the recycle bin, When a file is deleted programmatically, i think that it is not copied into the recycle bin. That is correct. And IF you do a shift+delete, the message(s) bypass the trash folder and are gone. and, if the message is critical, it might be possible to use a file recovery tool to recover the file. If the file is simply re-written, the only recovery option would be to recover the file for the folder from a backup. This is the best approach. BUT ... if the folder is re-created uncompacted - there is not an easy way to recover an old message. Most backup solutions usually turn back the clock, so to speak but depends on compaction like you said. Best of course is to pay attention. ;-) Using the archive feature/funtion can sometimes prevent tragedy. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 20.09.2010 00:57, Philip Chee wrote: --- Original Message --- On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Phil Maybe we won't see Phillip for a while after I posted the link to the bug fix page, will take him ages to sift through each bug to see exactly who filed 'em. :-D -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: compact folder
Norvin wrote: I screwed up and hit the compact folder and now I need to un-compact the folder. Help doesn't show any compact items, any suggestion. TIA As a follow-up to clarify my problem, I have a file that I will call 'sent emails' and it was getting very large and I clicked the 'compact folder' thinking it would give me some options. It didn't but proceeded to do its thing. After some time, the file showed '0' files and nothing showed up. I looked up in SM help, but there is nothing listed regarding 'compact', I thought this strange since it is listed as an option if you right click on a email folder. Anyway, I worked my way around it and marked it up as a learning experience. Thanks for all the suggestion and possibilities. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 20.09.2010 04:05, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it Both bugs are RFE bugs (Request For Enhancment) and not defects in the application. Don't expect either one to be worked on unless someone decides that they have the time away from fixing bugs. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
2.1a3 Blinking . (dot) in Subject Line - Feature or Bug?
When I compose an email in 2.1a3, there is a blinking . (dot) in the Subject line. If I type in a subject OR leave the subject blank, the . (dot) disappears. Is that a feature or a bug? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Phil Technically your not a User. You work on Plugins and extensions so you are a developer. I like most people no thing at all about the mechanics. Heck I only just recently learned about what I could CSS. All I know is when I use something what it did or would do, and what not is not doing or can no longer do And Try to explain to the best of my abilities Which most make light of. But its the best I can do. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it In reading the first bug from one end proves exactly my point that developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 00:57, Philip Chee wrote: --- Original Message --- On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Phil Maybe we won't see Phillip for a while after I posted the link to the bug fix page, will take him ages to sift through each bug to see exactly who filed 'em. :-D Fat chance :-D I've reported the bug myself and we will see if it gets attention. perhaps when nether regions freeze over. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey Crashing
Hi, Le 15/09/2010 14:05, phoenix a écrit: Hi All, Since the 2.0.7 update my Seamonkey Browser kept crashing only on some websites one example is at http://15seconds.com/ which uses flash content. After disabling all my addons and plugins it no longer crashed. So I enabled my plugins one by one and found it to be the shockwave plugin version 9 after updating this plugin to the latest version all work well with the flash plugin enabled. If anyone else is having this issue make sure your adobe flash plugin is up to date. I'm running windows 7 On XP I don't have any crash on http://15seconds.com/ but I have AdblockPlus... shockwave 9? And you should use mozilla.support.seamonkey -- Stéphane ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey Crashing
I have been seeing some crashes as well and I've tried
to keep Flash current.
It has the feel of a memory leak as it tends to occur
when I have several sites open - more than one with
streaming video and other active resources - and go
to close a video page and jump into something else.
Sometimes the crash reporting works and sometimes it
says that is was unable to report the crash - I have
no idea why.
Usually I can just restart SM but last night it turned
the screen black and nothing but a cold restart of my
laptop worked.
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Bookmarks disappearing after update
The same situation occurred twice here this morning, on two different computers. After the update to 2.0.8, all bookmarks including the bookmarks bar, disappeared. The strange thing is that when I navigate to the profile folder, the bookmarks file is there and still contains all its bookmarks. I just reimported them all, which worked fine, but it's still not supposed to happen like that. How can the bookmark file be there, but not be used? Thanks! S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
No volume on FoxNews NYC Bridge Fire Window
FoxNews.com has a link to a window with live coverage of
a fire under a bridge.
I am getting no sound from that window.
Is this also a Java problem?
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Re: Pop Up Window Won't Scroll
On 09/19/2010 10:47 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: d...@kd4e.com wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: I just did a Search in Seamonkey Add-Ons and NoSquint was a no-show. Where does one find this, please? here is control for No Squint when you on a website which can be adjusted globally or customize for each site: http://screencast.com/t/YjUwZWZhMTY Looks great! So, do I need to know the secret password? ;-) Where do I get it, please? Seamonkey Add-ons Search does not seem to know what it is. After you go to this site: http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html scroll down until you this item the click on item show with item in this screen shot: http://screencast.com/t/MzI5YWJhMDMt Why not just use Seamonkey's built in Zoom feature from the menu bar? View Zoom Setting it to 90% allowed me to view the whole pop-up window. Installing NoSquint and trying it had no effect for me. But then I am unfamiliar with it. WLS -- openSUSE 11.2x86_64 (Gnome 2.28.0) | AMD Athlon(tm) 64 3000+ | 2GB RAM ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: No volume on FoxNews NYC Bridge Fire Window
d...@kd4e.com wrote: FoxNews.com has a link to a window with live coverage of a fire under a bridge. I am getting no sound from that window. Is this also a Java problem? There is very little Java on today's Web. I see the video link, and it is currently showing helicopter shots of the interior of Yankee Stadium. With no sound - and it's not Java. -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: No volume on FoxNews NYC Bridge Fire Window
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
d...@kd4e.com wrote:
FoxNews.com has a link to a window with live coverage of
a fire under a bridge.
I am getting no sound from that window.
Is this also a Java problem?
There is very little Java on today's Web. I see the video link, and it
is currently showing helicopter shots of the interior of Yankee Stadium.
With no sound - and it's not Java.
I don't know what made me think it was Java - it is Flash.
I have the latest Flash loaded Shockwave Flash 10.1 r82
It seems odd there there would be no audio.
I tried on another computer and did hear what sounded like
bits and pieces of audio, real low-level.
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Re: automatic upgrade without notice or (explicit) permission
David E. Ross wrote: On 9/17/10 7:39 AM, Daniel Barclay wrote: ...how do I reconfigure SeaMonkey not to automatically install anything until I say so? ... ... 3. On the Software Installation pane, uncheck the Allow web sites to install extensions and updates checkbox. ... Does that control just automatic installation or also installation triggered by the users' clicking on a link/button/etc.? Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: automatic upgrade without notice or (explicit) permission
David E. Ross wrote: On 9/17/10 7:39 AM, Daniel Barclay wrote: I've just been hit with SeaMonkey's automatic upgrade (from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8) ... ... how do I reconfigure SeaMonkey not to automatically install anything until I say so? ... ... 2. On the Preferences window, select [Advanced Software Installation] under Category (on the left side). 3. On the Software Installation pane, uncheck the Allow web sites to install extensions and updates checkbox. .. The Help documentation for that Software Installation section says [emphasis added]: ... Allow web sites to install extensions and updates: Select this if you want to allow web sites to install extensions and updates to be used with SeaMonkey.*You will be prompted before each installation.* Is that Allow websites ... control _really_ the right one? I was not prompted before installation, so according to the documentation, that control does not apply to the kind of upgrade/installation I encountered. Is the documentation wrong? I notice that it talks about a When updates to SeaMonkey are found: ... control, but there is no such thing in the Software Installation page/tab. Did some feature get deleted from SeaMonkey? Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Start up Error for https://www.uhcretiree.com/
With Seamonkey (1.16 or 2.08), Firefox or Google Chrome, I get an a Start Up Error when trying to access the above site. Setting UA to IE does not help. I can get into site with IE8. Site says they only support IE6 or IE7. Anything I can do except complain to the site itself? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey Crashing
Yamo' wrote: Hi, Le 15/09/2010 14:05, phoenix a écrit: Hi All, Since the 2.0.7 update my Seamonkey Browser kept crashing only on some websites one example is at http://15seconds.com/ which uses flash content. After disabling all my addons and plugins it no longer crashed. So I enabled my plugins one by one and found it to be the shockwave plugin version 9 after updating this plugin to the latest version all work well with the flash plugin enabled. If anyone else is having this issue make sure your adobe flash plugin is up to date. I'm running windows 7 On XP I don't have any crash on http://15seconds.com/ but I have AdblockPlus... shockwave 9? And you should use mozilla.support.seamonkey I had this crash with 2.0.7 another reason I went back to 2.0.6. http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/57bd65fe-2282-45a9-be1b-cc03e2100911 -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 20.09.2010 10:31, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Phil Technically your not a User. You work on Plugins and extensions so you are a developer. I like most people no thing at all about the mechanics. Heck I only just recently learned about what I could CSS. All I know is when I use something what it did or would do, and what not is not doing or can no longer do And Try to explain to the best of my abilities Which most make light of. But its the best I can do. What you're alluding to is that developers only fix bugs for their own enjoyment/amusement and that users don't count. Where in heaven's name do you get this stuff, Phillip? -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 20.09.2010 10:44, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 00:57, Philip Chee wrote: --- Original Message --- On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Phil Maybe we won't see Phillip for a while after I posted the link to the bug fix page, will take him ages to sift through each bug to see exactly who filed 'em. :-D Fat chance :-D I've reported the bug myself and we will see if it gets attention. perhaps when nether regions freeze over. Why don't you simply go through the first 50 and report back to us who are devs and who are users that are the original reporters. If you have any doubt then post the names and we'll confirm. Keep in mind that that list are FIXED bugs. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 20.09.2010 10:42, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it In reading the first bug from one end proves exactly my point that developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes. Do you know what a RFE bug is and where they sit on the priority list? -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey Crashing
d...@kd4e.com wrote: I have been seeing some crashes as well and I've tried to keep Flash current. It has the feel of a memory leak as it tends to occur when I have several sites open - more than one with streaming video and other active resources - and go to close a video page and jump into something else. Sometimes the crash reporting works and sometimes it says that is was unable to report the crash - I have no idea why. Usually I can just restart SM but last night it turned the screen black and nothing but a cold restart of my laptop worked. I suspect bad memory leaking in SM.2. I notice when I first open everything Typing scrolling and such is snappy. but after a Few hours SeaMonkey get progressively slower. Then it get so slow that I can wait two second before a letter appears after typing. I've tried in Safe Mode so using no extensions make no difference. If I shut down and restart then it gets back to the snappy performance. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: compact folder
Jay Garcia wrote: ... When mail is deleted it's marked for deletion as you said. Mail can only be recovered that has been deleted only IF the folders haven't been compacted. Until then, the deleted message actually resides in the related .MSF file which can be read to some degree in Wordpad for instance. The deleted message still resides in the original mail file (not the corresponding .msf file). Also, note that one normally has three chances to recover a deleted message: 1. Obviously, when regular deletion logically moves a message to the Trash folder, the message is available normally from the Trash folder. 2. That logical moving physically copies the message to the file that implements the Trash folder, leaving the original copy in the file that implements the original folder, but marking that original copy as being deleted. It remains there until that folder is compacted. If you (very carefully*) open the file to edit it, find the message, find its X-Mozilla-Status header field, and turn off the deleted bit (e.g., X-Mozilla-Status: 0009 - X-Mozilla-Status: 0001, etc.), and do Rebuild Index on the mail folder, the message will be undeleted and available normally. (*Don't try editing the file without making a backup copy unless you really know what you're doing. It's probably safer to copy the original file to a work file, edit that, re-start SeaMonkey so it notices the work file, copy your wanted message to somewhere else, and then delete the work file (which will also contain duplicate copies of other message in the original folder/file).) 3. _If_ you delete the message from the Trash folder using the delete-message command (_NOT_ Empty Trash), the copy in the file the implements the Trash folder is marked deleted (as above) until the Trash folder is compacted (via Compact Folder or Empty Trash). It can be recovered the same way as above. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Pop Up Window Won't Scroll
WLS wrote: On 09/19/2010 10:47 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: d...@kd4e.com wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: I just did a Search in Seamonkey Add-Ons and NoSquint was a no-show. Where does one find this, please? here is control for No Squint when you on a website which can be adjusted globally or customize for each site: http://screencast.com/t/YjUwZWZhMTY Looks great! So, do I need to know the secret password? ;-) Where do I get it, please? Seamonkey Add-ons Search does not seem to know what it is. After you go to this site: http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html scroll down until you this item the click on item show with item in this screen shot: http://screencast.com/t/MzI5YWJhMDMt Why not just use Seamonkey's built in Zoom feature from the menu bar? View Zoom Setting it to 90% allowed me to view the whole pop-up window. Installing NoSquint and trying it had no effect for me. But then I am unfamiliar with it. WLS does SM or FF have this ability: http://screencast.com/t/YjUwZWZhMTY setting Graphic and text zoom independently of each other In SM you can do one or the other but not both at the same time. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: automatic upgrade without notice or (explicit) permission
Daniel Barclay wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 9/17/10 7:39 AM, Daniel Barclay wrote: I've just been hit with SeaMonkey's automatic upgrade (from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8) ... ... how do I reconfigure SeaMonkey not to automatically install anything until I say so? ... ... 2. On the Preferences window, select [Advanced Software Installation] under Category (on the left side). 3. On the Software Installation pane, uncheck the Allow web sites to install extensions and updates checkbox. .. The Help documentation for that Software Installation section says [emphasis added]: ... Allow web sites to install extensions and updates: Select this if you want to allow web sites to install extensions and updates to be used with SeaMonkey.*You will be prompted before each installation.* Is that Allow websites ... control _really_ the right one? I was not prompted before installation, so according to the documentation, that control does not apply to the kind of upgrade/installation I encountered. Is the documentation wrong? I notice that it talks about a When updates to SeaMonkey are found: ... control, but there is no such thing in the Software Installation page/tab. Did some feature get deleted from SeaMonkey? Daniel see here: http://screencast.com/t/NjZlZmJiNGYt -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:31:38 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Phil Technically your not a User. You work on Plugins and extensions so you are a developer. I like most people no thing at all about the mechanics. Heck I only just recently learned about what I could CSS. All I know is when I use something what it did or would do, and what not is not doing or can no longer do And Try to explain to the best of my abilities Which most make light of. But its the best I can do. Since you obviously didn't read the post you are responding to I have decided that replying to you is a waste of time. Bye. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: compact folder
On 20.09.2010 12:40, Daniel Barclay wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: ... When mail is deleted it's marked for deletion as you said. Mail can only be recovered that has been deleted only IF the folders haven't been compacted. Until then, the deleted message actually resides in the related .MSF file which can be read to some degree in Wordpad for instance. The deleted message still resides in the original mail file (not the corresponding .msf file). Also, note that one normally has three chances to recover a deleted message: 1. Obviously, when regular deletion logically moves a message to the Trash folder, the message is available normally from the Trash folder. 2. That logical moving physically copies the message to the file that implements the Trash folder, leaving the original copy in the file that implements the original folder, but marking that original copy as being deleted. It remains there until that folder is compacted. If you (very carefully*) open the file to edit it, find the message, find its X-Mozilla-Status header field, and turn off the deleted bit (e.g., X-Mozilla-Status: 0009 - X-Mozilla-Status: 0001, etc.), and do Rebuild Index on the mail folder, the message will be undeleted and available normally. (*Don't try editing the file without making a backup copy unless you really know what you're doing. It's probably safer to copy the original file to a work file, edit that, re-start SeaMonkey so it notices the work file, copy your wanted message to somewhere else, and then delete the work file (which will also contain duplicate copies of other message in the original folder/file).) 3. _If_ you delete the message from the Trash folder using the delete-message command (_NOT_ Empty Trash), the copy in the file the implements the Trash folder is marked deleted (as above) until the Trash folder is compacted (via Compact Folder or Empty Trash). It can be recovered the same way as above. Daniel Interesting note, this is true, the file(s) are still in the INBOX if you view in Wordpad for instance. However, after deletion under normal functionality, the file(s) is still there but after compacting, the file(s) are still there in the INBOX file. What's up with that? -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: compact folder
On 20.09.2010 12:57, Jay Garcia wrote: --- Original Message --- On 20.09.2010 12:40, Daniel Barclay wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: ... When mail is deleted it's marked for deletion as you said. Mail can only be recovered that has been deleted only IF the folders haven't been compacted. Until then, the deleted message actually resides in the related .MSF file which can be read to some degree in Wordpad for instance. The deleted message still resides in the original mail file (not the corresponding .msf file). Also, note that one normally has three chances to recover a deleted message: 1. Obviously, when regular deletion logically moves a message to the Trash folder, the message is available normally from the Trash folder. 2. That logical moving physically copies the message to the file that implements the Trash folder, leaving the original copy in the file that implements the original folder, but marking that original copy as being deleted. It remains there until that folder is compacted. If you (very carefully*) open the file to edit it, find the message, find its X-Mozilla-Status header field, and turn off the deleted bit (e.g., X-Mozilla-Status: 0009 - X-Mozilla-Status: 0001, etc.), and do Rebuild Index on the mail folder, the message will be undeleted and available normally. (*Don't try editing the file without making a backup copy unless you really know what you're doing. It's probably safer to copy the original file to a work file, edit that, re-start SeaMonkey so it notices the work file, copy your wanted message to somewhere else, and then delete the work file (which will also contain duplicate copies of other message in the original folder/file).) 3. _If_ you delete the message from the Trash folder using the delete-message command (_NOT_ Empty Trash), the copy in the file the implements the Trash folder is marked deleted (as above) until the Trash folder is compacted (via Compact Folder or Empty Trash). It can be recovered the same way as above. Daniel Interesting note, this is true, the file(s) are still in the INBOX if you view in Wordpad for instance. However, after deletion under normal functionality, the file(s) is still there but after compacting, the file(s) are still there in the INBOX file. What's up with that? Ah, found the problem. The INBOX wasn't being compacted unless I hilited the INBOX and then FILE = Compact Folder. Now the file(s) is/are gone. Best I can remember this isn't the way it was in Netscape and earlier versions of TB. Also, customizing the toolbar with Delete and Compact only refers to the Trash folder. Thanks for rumbling the old gray matter!! -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 10:42, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it In reading the first bug from one end proves exactly my point that developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes. Do you know what a RFE bug is and where they sit on the priority list? Yes I know what Referral For Enhancement is: But did you see all the arguments against the suggestion? with all the arrangements against. there was no chance it would even been looked at. You can actually tell what will get fixed or added just by comments. If there are no comments with a week. or if the vast majority of comments are negative. nothing will be fixed Go look at bugs That have no comments, and those that have mostly negative comments. Now see one with good comment as majority and see for yourself which have been fixed or are being worked on. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 20.09.2010 10:31, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Phil Technically your not a User. You work on Plugins and extensions so you are a developer. I like most people no thing at all about the mechanics. Heck I only just recently learned about what I could CSS. All I know is when I use something what it did or would do, and what not is not doing or can no longer do And Try to explain to the best of my abilities Which most make light of. But its the best I can do. Cripes Phillip!!! Re-read the message, especially the lines ... reported by ... How many of those reporters do you think/know are devs? My guess .. NONE!! -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: compact folder
if the folder is re-created uncompacted - there is not an easy way to recover an old message Unless something has changed, it's not necessary to uncompact the folder... These SM folders are actually files that can be opened with a text editor. close sm before opening them with a text editor, and, if possible, open the file read only (which is an option in many text editors such as TextPad) you can then search the file contents for something in the message or header, then copy the message and paste and access it elsewhere. If the file has an attachment, it will be in mime format and follow the message header and message text. The mime can be copied to a new text file, saved and then decoded with a utility such as uuDeview Hope that this information is of value. Beverly Howard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 20.09.2010 13:02, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 10:42, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it In reading the first bug from one end proves exactly my point that developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes. Do you know what a RFE bug is and where they sit on the priority list? Yes I know what Referral For Enhancement is: But did you see all the arguments against the suggestion? with all the arrangements against. there was no chance it would even been looked at. You can actually tell what will get fixed or added just by comments. If there are no comments with a week. or if the vast majority of comments are negative. nothing will be fixed Go look at bugs That have no comments, and those that have mostly negative comments. Now see one with good comment as majority and see for yourself which have been fixed or are being worked on. What do you think is the ratio of RFE's that are implemented to the bugs that are fixed? Taking that list that I posted the link to, how many of those FIXED bugs are RFE's? None? What do you think is the reason? Could the answer be that real BUGS are a lot more important than a wish-list? In fact, a very recent request/wish was made by Timo P in the .devs.thunderbird group. It's being discussed and attended to quite handily and may show up in the next release. Timo is making suggestions and the devs are listening. BTW, Timo is a user. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: compact folder
Norvin wrote: Norvin wrote: ... As a follow-up to clarify my problem, I have a file that I will call 'sent emails' and it was getting very large Did it contain any non-deleted e-mail messages? (That is, if in SeaMonkey you opened the send emails folder that that file implemented, did SeaMonkey t say there were a non-zero number of messages in the folder?) and I clicked the 'compact folder' thinking it would give me some options. It didn't but proceeded to do its thing. After some time, the file showed '0' files and nothing showed up. (Do you mean zero _messages_ there?) If SeaMonkey reports a different number of e-mail messages in a folder right before and right after compaction, then either: 1) the index (.msf) file had already gotten out of sync with the main file implementing that folder (in which case the folder Rebuild Index command would have re-synced things and changed the number of messages reported), or 2) something went wrong during compaction. Normally at least, I would not suspect a bug in compaction. (I've been manually editing and then compacting lots of mail files to fix corruption from some other SeaMonkey (1.1.x) bug, and haven't noticed any buggy behavior in compaction itself. Compaction copies to a temporary file and renames it to replace the original file only after completing copying, so something like killing SeaMonkey while it's compacting won't leave you with a half-copied mail folder file--just a half-copied temporary file, which SeaMonkey ignores.) Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 10:31, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Phil Technically your not a User. You work on Plugins and extensions so you are a developer. I like most people no thing at all about the mechanics. Heck I only just recently learned about what I could CSS. All I know is when I use something what it did or would do, and what not is not doing or can no longer do And Try to explain to the best of my abilities Which most make light of. But its the best I can do. What you're alluding to is that developers only fix bugs for their own enjoyment/amusement and that users don't count. Where in heaven's name do you get this stuff, Phillip? well in a way that's true because Open source depends upon people or companies that want to wish to donate free time. They have day jobs and do this in spare time. It could be for entertainment. But what was I was really trying get across is that developers tend to fix bugs if other developers point out mistakes. But non techie users they just roll their eyes at and move on. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 13:02, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 10:42, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it In reading the first bug from one end proves exactly my point that developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes. Do you know what a RFE bug is and where they sit on the priority list? Yes I know what Referral For Enhancement is: But did you see all the arguments against the suggestion? with all the arrangements against. there was no chance it would even been looked at. You can actually tell what will get fixed or added just by comments. If there are no comments with a week. or if the vast majority of comments are negative. nothing will be fixed Go look at bugs That have no comments, and those that have mostly negative comments. Now see one with good comment as majority and see for yourself which have been fixed or are being worked on. What do you think is the ratio of RFE's that are implemented to the bugs that are fixed? Taking that list that I posted the link to, how many of those FIXED bugs are RFE's? None? What do you think is the reason? Could the answer be that real BUGS are a lot more important than a wish-list? In fact, a very recent request/wish was made by Timo P in the .devs.thunderbird group. It's being discussed and attended to quite handily and may show up in the next release. Timo is making suggestions and the devs are listening. BTW, Timo is a user. Few if any because they are not taken seriously. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: compact folder
On 20.09.2010 13:08, Beverly Howard wrote: --- Original Message --- if the folder is re-created uncompacted - there is not an easy way to recover an old message Unless something has changed, it's not necessary to uncompact the folder... These SM folders are actually files that can be opened with a text editor. close sm before opening them with a text editor, and, if possible, open the file read only (which is an option in many text editors such as TextPad) you can then search the file contents for something in the message or header, then copy the message and paste and access it elsewhere. If the file has an attachment, it will be in mime format and follow the message header and message text. The mime can be copied to a new text file, saved and then decoded with a utility such as uuDeview Hope that this information is of value. Beverly Howard I just did a definitive test. 1. Deleted an email message out of the inbox by the traditional method, message is located in the Trash folder and is visible. 2. Emptied Trash - message is marked for deletion and not visible 3. Closed SM, located the INBOX (file), 1511 kb was the filesize 4. Located the deleted message 5. Restarted SM, hilited INBOX 6. Did FILE = Compact Folder, exited SM 7. The INBOX file is now 0 kb, message gone and not recoverable by any means that I know of. The key here is the compact folder function. If implemented, the message is gone. Trick is to NOT compact folders either manually or automatically if you're that concerned about message retrieval, etc., if disaster strikes. The other trick obviously is to pay attention. ;-) -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: compact folder
Jay Garcia wrote: Interesting note, this is true, the file(s) are still in the INBOX if you view in Wordpad for instance. However, after deletion under normal functionality, the file(s) is still there but after compacting, the file(s) are still there in the INBOX file. What's up with that? Do you mean files or messages? If messages: If messages that were logically deleted or moved from a folder really remain after compacting that folder, I have no idea what's going on. (Are you sure that folder actually got compacted? Sometimes when I do Compact Folders SeaMonkey only compacts one or some folders, and have to try Compact Folders again, rebuild indexes and try again, or go to an individual folder and do Compact Folder). If files: Are you referring to files under an Inbox/INBOX folder that represent mail folders under the Inbox/INBOX mail folder? Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 10:31, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Phil Technically your not a User. You work on Plugins and extensions so you are a developer. I like most people no thing at all about the mechanics. Heck I only just recently learned about what I could CSS. All I know is when I use something what it did or would do, and what not is not doing or can no longer do And Try to explain to the best of my abilities Which most make light of. But its the best I can do. Cripes Phillip!!! Re-read the message, especially the lines ... reported by ... How many of those reporters do you think/know are devs? My guess .. NONE!! I can't make that guess because I don't know first hand the names of any developers other than Phil Chee. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: automatic upgrade without notice or (explicit) permission
Phillip Jones wrote: Daniel Barclay wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 9/17/10 7:39 AM, Daniel Barclay wrote: I've just been hit with SeaMonkey's automatic upgrade (from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8) ... ... how do I reconfigure SeaMonkey not to automatically install anything until I say so? ... ... 2. On the Preferences window, select [Advanced Software Installation] under Category (on the left side). 3. On the Software Installation pane, uncheck the Allow web sites to install extensions and updates checkbox. .. The Help documentation for that Software Installation section says [emphasis added]: ... Allow web sites to install extensions and updates: Select this if you want to allow web sites to install extensions and updates to be used with SeaMonkey.*You will be prompted before each installation.* Is that Allow websites ... control _really_ the right one? I was not prompted before installation, so according to the documentation, that control does not apply to the kind of upgrade/installation I encountered. Is the documentation wrong? I notice that it talks about a When updates to SeaMonkey are found: ... control, but there is no such thing in the Software Installation page/tab. Did some feature get deleted from SeaMonkey? Daniel see here: http://screencast.com/t/NjZlZmJiNGYt Your arrow points to the Automatically check for updates to SeaMonkey box. Your previous text refers to the 'Allow web sites to install extensions and updates' checkbox. Which one are you talking about? I don't want to stop SeaMonkey, etc., from _checking_ for updates. I just want to stop it from _installing_ them automatically. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Pop Up Window Won't Scroll
Phillip Jones wrote: WLS wrote: On 09/19/2010 10:47 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: d...@kd4e.com wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: I just did a Search in Seamonkey Add-Ons and NoSquint was a no-show. Where does one find this, please? here is control for No Squint when you on a website which can be adjusted globally or customize for each site: http://screencast.com/t/YjUwZWZhMTY Looks great! So, do I need to know the secret password? ;-) Where do I get it, please? Seamonkey Add-ons Search does not seem to know what it is. After you go to this site: http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html scroll down until you this item the click on item show with item in this screen shot: http://screencast.com/t/MzI5YWJhMDMt Why not just use Seamonkey's built in Zoom feature from the menu bar? View Zoom Setting it to 90% allowed me to view the whole pop-up window. Installing NoSquint and trying it had no effect for me. But then I am unfamiliar with it. WLS does SM or FF have this ability: http://screencast.com/t/YjUwZWZhMTY setting Graphic and text zoom independently of each other In SM you can do one or the other but not both at the same time. What NoSquint setting did you use to view the pop-up window the OP was complaining about? Is it a graphic or text? If text how do I separate the pop-up from the page behind it? WLS ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Start up Error for https://www.uhcretiree.com/
Arnie Goetchius wrote: With Seamonkey (1.16 or 2.08), Firefox or Google Chrome, I get an a Start Up Error when trying to access the above site. Setting UA to IE does not help. I can get into site with IE8. Site says they only support IE6 or IE7. Anything I can do except complain to the site itself? Works For Me: Happy Couple, login box, other text and links. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100701 SeaMonkey/2.0.6 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Importing passwords to SM 2.0
Bill Spikowski wrote: Are instructions posted anywhere on how to import passwords from Seamonkey 1.18 on an old PC (Win XP) to Seamonkey 2.0 on a new PC (Win 7) with an entirely new profile? http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40t=1978391 describes two possible approaches. I haven't checked either of them since the recommended way of migrating from SM 1.1 to SM 2 is to use the migration wizard: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_migration_-_SeaMonkey Alternatively you could go to about:config in SM 1.1 and search for signon.SignonFileName. That should give you the name of the file that you need to copy from your SM 1.1 profile folder to the SM 2 profile folder (and rename it to signons2.txt, which is the Firefox 2 equivalent). If you use a Master Password, you'll need to copy the file key3.db as well. Background: http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/profilefaq/#transferring_passwords HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Importing passwords to SM 2.0
Jens Hatlak wrote: Bill Spikowski wrote: Are instructions posted anywhere on how to import passwords from Seamonkey 1.18 on an old PC (Win XP) to Seamonkey 2.0 on a new PC (Win 7) with an entirely new profile? http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40t=1978391 describes two possible approaches. I haven't checked either of them since the recommended way of migrating from SM 1.1 to SM 2 is to use the migration wizard: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_migration_-_SeaMonkey Alternatively you could go to about:config in SM 1.1 and search for signon.SignonFileName. That should give you the name of the file that you need to copy from your SM 1.1 profile folder to the SM 2 profile folder (and rename it to signons2.txt, which is the Firefox 2 equivalent). If you use a Master Password, you'll need to copy the file key3.db as well. Background: http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/profilefaq/#transferring_passwords HTH Thank you Jens. I had to delete signons.sqlite too, but now I have all my passwords on the new PC! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Start up Error for https://www.uhcretiree.com/
Arnie Goetchius wrote: With Seamonkey (1.16 or 2.08), Firefox or Google Chrome, I get an a Start Up Error when trying to access the above site. For kicks, I tried feeding the URL into the validator. http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=https://www.uhcretiree.com/ I got a 500 error. (Server doesn't exist.) Their IT staff is obviously morons. Setting UA to IE does not help. Hmmm. I can get into site with IE8. Now, *that* IS interesting. Site says they only support IE6 or IE7. Idiots. Anything I can do except complain to the site itself? Don't vote for Republicans or Democrats next time around. Y'know, the political parties who support the imbecilic **You MUST give these incompetents your money so that they can charge whatever they want and deny you care** National Health Care Plan. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: automatic upgrade without notice or (explicit) permission
On 9/20/10 10:05 AM, Daniel Barclay wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 9/17/10 7:39 AM, Daniel Barclay wrote: ...how do I reconfigure SeaMonkey not to automatically install anything until I say so? ... ... 3. On the Software Installation pane, uncheck the Allow web sites to install extensions and updates checkbox. ... Does that control just automatic installation or also installation triggered by the users' clicking on a link/button/etc.? Daniel It blocks ALL software installations via SeaMonkey, new add-ons and all updates. I'm not sure what happens if an update to SeaMonkey itself is found. However, the Add-on Manager will give you an option (via a button) to enable installation when you want to install a new or updated add-on. I just recently enabled the check for updates to installed add-ons without enabling automatic installation. This way, I won't have to keep checking the Web site of each add-on. When I'm notified of an update, I plan to visit the add-on's site and download the .xpi or .jar file and then install from my local drive. Bug #526150 describes a hole in the design of the Add-On Manager relative to disabling automatic installations. The Add-On Manager gives the user the option to enable installation when automatic installations were disabled. However, the Add-On Manager does not then provide any option to disable automatic installations after the current installation is completed. The bug report for #526150 was closed as WontFix. Per comments in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=526150, a new Add-On Manager is pending. With it, automatic checking for updates will then result in automatic installation of those updates. I am attempting to reopen the bug report. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Start up Error for https://www.uhcretiree.com/
On 9/20/10 12:14 PM, Lemuel Johnson wrote: Arnie Goetchius wrote: With Seamonkey (1.16 or 2.08), Firefox or Google Chrome, I get an a Start Up Error when trying to access the above site. Setting UA to IE does not help. I can get into site with IE8. Site says they only support IE6 or IE7. Anything I can do except complain to the site itself? Works For Me: Happy Couple, login box, other text and links. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100701 SeaMonkey/2.0.6 Works for me too: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.13) Gecko/20100914 SeaMonkey/2.0.8 -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Start up Error for https://www.uhcretiree.com/
JeffM wrote: For kicks, I tried feeding the URL into the validator. http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=https://www.uhcretiree.com/ I got a 500 error. (Server doesn't exist.) My link works... Their IT staff is obviously morons. I must agree with that! -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
W3BNR wrote: On 9/20/2010 5:05 AM Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it Bug 218258 - only 28 votes in 7 years? I don't think it will get fixed. More of a new feature request than a bug. Only 28 votes and you forgot the huge list of bugs closed because a duplicate of this one. Anyhow 'gator' on April 4, 2010, suggested a work-a-round. See comment #61 at the bug page. This should satisfy the few that need the function. NO this doesnot statify the request - In addition the asked thing is already coded in the forward mechanism - this mechanism could be easely called when doing a reply - this not a great job to be done. You speak about the fact that this bug should be an RFE this why i created https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 which is a RFE ... this RFE will stay at it is for another cycle of 7 years or more. As Phillip Jones said: 'developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes.' and i add : Evenwhile if the work to be done is mimimal. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: compact folder
Beverly Howard wrote: if the folder is re-created uncompacted - there is not an easy way to recover an old message Unless something has changed, it's not necessary to uncompact the folder... These SM folders are actually files that can be opened with a text editor. close sm before opening them with a text editor, and, if possible, open the file read only (which is an option in many text editors such as TextPad) you can then search the file contents for something in the message or header, then copy the message and paste and access it elsewhere. If the file has an attachment, it will be in mime format and follow the message header and message text. The mime can be copied to a new text file, saved and then decoded with a utility such as uuDeview Hope that this information is of value. Yes ... but not an easy way :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 20.09.2010 16:09, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- W3BNR wrote: On 9/20/2010 5:05 AM Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it Bug 218258 - only 28 votes in 7 years? I don't think it will get fixed. More of a new feature request than a bug. Only 28 votes and you forgot the huge list of bugs closed because a duplicate of this one. Anyhow 'gator' on April 4, 2010, suggested a work-a-round. See comment #61 at the bug page. This should satisfy the few that need the function. NO this doesnot statify the request - In addition the asked thing is already coded in the forward mechanism - this mechanism could be easely called when doing a reply - this not a great job to be done. You speak about the fact that this bug should be an RFE this why i created https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 which is a RFE ... this RFE will stay at it is for another cycle of 7 years or more. As Phillip Jones said: 'developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes.' and i add : Evenwhile if the work to be done is mimimal. If it's minimal than add a comment to your RFE explaining the minimal steps in detail so that programmers reading it will get it and do it in their spare time. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Post SM2.0.8 printout
Can anyone help please. My neighbour 'Bill' gets the printout below before it prints the message on Epsom 340. This 'pre message' started around the time of SM 2.0.8 update. Bill runs a recent Mac with Snow Leopard. Up to now we have downloaded fresh copies of SM and the printer driver, emptied cache. Restarted both the Mac and SM. I have replaced part of Bill's address with 'n' and deleted part of his name. Original Message From: - Mon Sep 20 14:04:42 2010 X-Account-Key: account2 X-UIDL: 1163186554.4577 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: X-Mozilla-Keys: Return-Path:nn...@manx.net Received: from manxnetsf02.manx.net (manxnetsf02.manx.net [192.168.1.54]) by manxnetms01.manx.net (MOS 3.10.8-GA) with ESMTP id DGF57580; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:04:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manxnetsf02.manx.net (MOS 3.10.8-GA) id GDB18644; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:04:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from adsl92.39.199.111.manx.net (EHLO Hilary-Byrnes-Computer.local) ([92.39.199.111]) by manxnetsf02.manx.net (MOS 3.10.8-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id GDB18638; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:04:38 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: 4c975be5.5070...@manx.net Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:04:37 +0100 From: Bill nn...@manx.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.13) Gecko/20100914 SeaMonkey/2.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill nn...@manx.net Subject:test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=manxnetsf02.manx.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0203.4C975BE6.029E:SCFSTAT7270608,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=92.39.199.111, so=2009-09-21 22:56:10, dmn=5.4.3/2007-10-18, mode=single engine X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id:250efabfcff02b6f2a454d7f5626e825 The intended printout then follows. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Post SM2.0.8 printout
On 20.09.2010 16:55, HilsB wrote: --- Original Message --- Can anyone help please. My neighbour 'Bill' gets the printout below before it prints the message on Epsom 340. This 'pre message' started around the time of SM 2.0.8 update. Bill runs a recent Mac with Snow Leopard. Up to now we have downloaded fresh copies of SM and the printer driver, emptied cache. Restarted both the Mac and SM. I have replaced part of Bill's address with 'n' and deleted part of his name. Original Message From: - Mon Sep 20 14:04:42 2010 X-Account-Key: account2 X-UIDL: 1163186554.4577 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: X-Mozilla-Keys: Return-Path: nn...@manx.net Received: from manxnetsf02.manx.net (manxnetsf02.manx.net [192.168.1.54]) by manxnetms01.manx.net (MOS 3.10.8-GA) with ESMTP id DGF57580; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:04:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manxnetsf02.manx.net (MOS 3.10.8-GA) id GDB18644; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:04:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from adsl92.39.199.111.manx.net (EHLO Hilary-Byrnes-Computer.local) ([92.39.199.111]) by manxnetsf02.manx.net (MOS 3.10.8-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id GDB18638; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:04:38 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: 4c975be5.5070...@manx.net Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:04:37 +0100 From: Bill nn...@manx.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.13) Gecko/20100914 SeaMonkey/2.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill nn...@manx.net Subject: test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=manxnetsf02.manx.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0203.4C975BE6.029E:SCFSTAT7270608,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=92.39.199.111, so=2009-09-21 22:56:10, dmn=5.4.3/2007-10-18, mode=single engine X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 250efabfcff02b6f2a454d7f5626e825 The intended printout then follows. View = Headers = Normal This setting governs how much header is printed as well as viewing. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 16:09, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- W3BNR wrote: On 9/20/2010 5:05 AM Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it Bug 218258 - only 28 votes in 7 years? I don't think it will get fixed. More of a new feature request than a bug. Only 28 votes and you forgot the huge list of bugs closed because a duplicate of this one. Anyhow 'gator' on April 4, 2010, suggested a work-a-round. See comment #61 at the bug page. This should satisfy the few that need the function. NO this doesnot statify the request - In addition the asked thing is already coded in the forward mechanism - this mechanism could be easely called when doing a reply - this not a great job to be done. You speak about the fact that this bug should be an RFE this why i created https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 which is a RFE ... this RFE will stay at it is for another cycle of 7 years or more. As Phillip Jones said: 'developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes.' and i add : Evenwhile if the work to be done is mimimal. If it's minimal than add a comment to your RFE explaining the minimal steps in detail so that programmers reading it will get it and do it in their spare time. Finally Found the bug I was referring to: mine is 597784 original is: 580442 It has title as described. By some of the contents of some developers its appears to be a deliberate attempt to limit users' abilities to do what they want. now go read both. then come back and say I like to spread stuff around. As I've commented in both I will remain at 2.0.6 until the code its removed, a way to bypass in about:config is figured out, or someone comes up with a hack to turn that code off. also I suggested (I did not say how easy) that to go at it, from users point of view, and put in a Preference to turn off receiving such specific items. That way the people that need it have it, can. Those that don't want to see it, can turn it off. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Pop Up Window Won't Scroll
WLS wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: WLS wrote: On 09/19/2010 10:47 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: d...@kd4e.com wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: I just did a Search in Seamonkey Add-Ons and NoSquint was a no-show. Where does one find this, please? here is control for No Squint when you on a website which can be adjusted globally or customize for each site: http://screencast.com/t/YjUwZWZhMTY Looks great! So, do I need to know the secret password? ;-) Where do I get it, please? Seamonkey Add-ons Search does not seem to know what it is. After you go to this site: http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html scroll down until you this item the click on item show with item in this screen shot: http://screencast.com/t/MzI5YWJhMDMt Why not just use Seamonkey's built in Zoom feature from the menu bar? View Zoom Setting it to 90% allowed me to view the whole pop-up window. Installing NoSquint and trying it had no effect for me. But then I am unfamiliar with it. WLS does SM or FF have this ability: http://screencast.com/t/YjUwZWZhMTY setting Graphic and text zoom independently of each other In SM you can do one or the other but not both at the same time. What NoSquint setting did you use to view the pop-up window the OP was complaining about? Is it a graphic or text? If text how do I separate the pop-up from the page behind it? WLS No Squint doesn't have anything to do with pop ups, only the content of web pages (other than it might make the content of the pop ups as a result.) It just has the ability to adjust the zoom level of Text and Graphics at differing levels. and It can be set Globally or can be customized for each site you go to. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: automatic upgrade without notice or (explicit) permission
Daniel Barclay wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Daniel Barclay wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 9/17/10 7:39 AM, Daniel Barclay wrote: I've just been hit with SeaMonkey's automatic upgrade (from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8) ... ... how do I reconfigure SeaMonkey not to automatically install anything until I say so? ... ... 2. On the Preferences window, select [Advanced Software Installation] under Category (on the left side). 3. On the Software Installation pane, uncheck the Allow web sites to install extensions and updates checkbox. .. The Help documentation for that Software Installation section says [emphasis added]: ... Allow web sites to install extensions and updates: Select this if you want to allow web sites to install extensions and updates to be used with SeaMonkey.*You will be prompted before each installation.* Is that Allow websites ... control _really_ the right one? I was not prompted before installation, so according to the documentation, that control does not apply to the kind of upgrade/installation I encountered. Is the documentation wrong? I notice that it talks about a When updates to SeaMonkey are found: ... control, but there is no such thing in the Software Installation page/tab. Did some feature get deleted from SeaMonkey? Daniel see here: http://screencast.com/t/NjZlZmJiNGYt Your arrow points to the Automatically check for updates to SeaMonkey box. Your previous text refers to the 'Allow web sites to install extensions and updates' checkbox. Which one are you talking about? I don't want to stop SeaMonkey, etc., from _checking_ for updates. I just want to stop it from _installing_ them automatically. Daniel My screen shot shows that I/you can turn off auto Update of SeaMonkey but it leave auto update of extension on, or I could have turn it off as well, or turn on update extensions and leave SeaMonkey. I have mine set to turn off updating of SeaMonkey because of s decision Mozilla has made concerning HTML In Newsgroups. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: automatic upgrade without notice or (explicit) permission
On 09/17/2010 07:39 AM, Daniel Barclay wrote: I've just been hit with SeaMonkey's automatic upgrade (from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8) even though the installer never said it was setting things up for automatic upgrade, and I never explicitly gave permission for SeaMonkey to make changes like that to my machine. I don't recall--how do I reconfigure SeaMonkey not to automatically install anything until I say so? (A higher-level question: (Unless I somehow missed a clear notification at installation time,) why the heck was SeaMonkey changed to make changes to the user's software configuration without explicit permission and prior notification? That is NOT trustworthy behavior. I'd expect that from Microsoft or Adobe or something.) See this thread: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me! 07/25/2010 Note my comments in that thread... I suspect that this is one of the reasons for the 'fire drill' transition from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8; auto update contributed to the skyrocketed the crash stats. IMO it *is* a security issue so I've disabled all SM autoupdates on all of my machines as well as my customer/relative/friend/enemy machines. Also see: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Software_Update http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/SeaMonkey/versions/2.0.7 http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/SeaMonkey/versions/2.0.8 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: compact folder
On 09/18/2010 09:05 PM, Norvin wrote: I screwed up and hit the compact folder and now I need to un-compact the folder. Help doesn't show any compact items, any suggestion. TIA http://kb.mozillazine.org/Compacting_folders quote Undoing compacting You cannot undo compacting, in other words there is no such thing as uncompacting. Compacting physically removes messages marked for deletion and hidden from view. Once they're gone, they're gone. Don't confuse compacting a folder with compressing or zipping it. Usually somebody asks how to uncompact a folder when they have lost messages due to compacting. You shouldn't lose messages when compacting unless a folder was badly corrupted, in which case you'd probably have already noticed problems such as message fragments, several messages with a date of 1969 (due to the Date: header in a message being deleted), resurrected deleted messages, or long startup times because Thunderbird gets caught in a loop parsing (analysing) the inbox. /quote ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 20.09.2010 19:34, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 16:09, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- W3BNR wrote: On 9/20/2010 5:05 AM Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it Bug 218258 - only 28 votes in 7 years? I don't think it will get fixed. More of a new feature request than a bug. Only 28 votes and you forgot the huge list of bugs closed because a duplicate of this one. Anyhow 'gator' on April 4, 2010, suggested a work-a-round. See comment #61 at the bug page. This should satisfy the few that need the function. NO this doesnot statify the request - In addition the asked thing is already coded in the forward mechanism - this mechanism could be easely called when doing a reply - this not a great job to be done. You speak about the fact that this bug should be an RFE this why i created https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 which is a RFE ... this RFE will stay at it is for another cycle of 7 years or more. As Phillip Jones said: 'developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes.' and i add : Evenwhile if the work to be done is mimimal. If it's minimal than add a comment to your RFE explaining the minimal steps in detail so that programmers reading it will get it and do it in their spare time. Finally Found the bug I was referring to: mine is 597784 original is: 580442 It has title as described. By some of the contents of some developers its appears to be a deliberate attempt to limit users' abilities to do what they want. now go read both. then come back and say I like to spread stuff around. As I've commented in both I will remain at 2.0.6 until the code its removed, a way to bypass in about:config is figured out, or someone comes up with a hack to turn that code off. also I suggested (I did not say how easy) that to go at it, from users point of view, and put in a Preference to turn off receiving such specific items. That way the people that need it have it, can. Those that don't want to see it, can turn it off. They're all against you Phillip, only you. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 04:05, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it Both bugs are RFE bugs (Request For Enhancment) and not defects in the application. Don't expect either one to be worked on unless someone decides that they have the time away from fixing bugs. Well, not only that, but, as I read 580442 there are some implied security issues. So, given the few users interested and/or affected? I doubt there's any likelihood this will be addressed. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Even a mosquito doesn't get a slap on the back until it starts to work. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 10:31, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Phil Technically your not a User. You work on Plugins and extensions so you are a developer. I like most people no thing at all about the mechanics. Heck I only just recently learned about what I could CSS. All I know is when I use something what it did or would do, and what not is not doing or can no longer do And Try to explain to the best of my abilities Which most make light of. But its the best I can do. Cripes Phillip!!! Re-read the message, especially the lines ... reported by ... How many of those reporters do you think/know are devs? My guess .. NONE!! I can't make that guess because I don't know first hand the names of any developers other than Phil Chee. Umm, then, Phillip, perhaps you ought to refrain from making claims about devs and their motivations? -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ A flashlight is a case for holding dead batteries. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
