Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-13 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:


On 6/12/2011 8:46 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Mort wrote:


I now have to click about 100 times to delete daily cookies, whereas
with previous editions, I clicked only twice to do so. Why?


In 2.0.14, I don't usually click at all -- whenever I close the app, it
purges all cookies as instructed (I accept only session cookies).
Doesn't v. 2.1 allow that?


It does, Clear Private Data

I presume Mort's issue is about looking at what he is specifically
deleting first. Which in his case is going through the data manager,
which is site specific.


I understood that; I was just saying that I don't usually pick and 
choose which cookies to delete because I can't be bothered. In my value 
system, cookies are almost as bad as ads; if their hair was on fire, I 
wouldn't cross the street to pee on them. ;-)


But on those rare occasions when I have several windows/tabs open at 
sites that require login/preference cookies etc. to work right, it's 
kind of a bother to restart SM (though that save-session feature is 
convenient), so I do go in and purge a bunch of the busybody cookies. Do 
I understand correctly that v. 2.1 won't let me select a bunch at once 
anymore? That would be disappointing...


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Re: Bookmarks issues / question

2011-06-13 Thread cmcadams

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/12/11 9:27 PM, cmcadams wrote:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:46:39 -0500, /cmcadams/:


* [P]roperties is gone from right-clicking links within Bookmark
Manager.
* [P]roperties and [M]ove both gone from right-clicking on search
results within Bookmark Manager.


The bookmark properties are directly visible and editable in the Bookmarks 
Manager
window (whenever you select a bookmark).


Not here they're not, unfortunately. XP SP3, I should have specified.


It seems a bit weird there's no Move command available and moving is done just 
by
mouse drags. I guess this is because of the newer Tags feature - one may assign 
one
or more tags to the bookmarks which automatically materialize as folders. This 
way
one doesn't need to create folders explicitly and move bookmarks into to 
organize,
but just assign tags.


That's going to be problematic where there are already a lot of bookmarks.



There are no bookmark properties.  In SeaMonkey 2.0.x, Properties was
the combination of Name, Location, and Description (and possibly other
attributes of a bookmark that I never used).


I was of course referring to the things erroneously labeled bookmark 
properties.


Besides Name, Location, and Tags, you can can view, set, or modify
Keyword and Description of a bookmark.  After selecting a bookmark,
select the button to the left of More in the lower part of the
right-hand pane of the Bookmarks Manager window.


Excellent! I hadn't spotted that. Thank you very much.

It would still be good to have a folder-referencing Move command in the 
right-click menu.

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Re: Bookmarks issues / question

2011-06-13 Thread Jens Hatlak

cmcadams wrote:

* [P]roperties is gone from right-clicking links within Bookmark Manager.


As already said in this thread, the properties editing functionality 
have been integrated into the main screen (lower part, collapsed by 
default).



* [P]roperties and [M]ove both gone from right-clicking on search
results within Bookmark Manager.


Move is still available from the Edit menu.


Pre-2.1 SMs had a feature where you could specify a target folder for
bookmarks when using the (Bookmarks - Bookmark this Page) pick list
from SM's main screen. Now such bookmarks all seem to go to the end of
Bookmarks Menu. Am I missing a setting, somewhere?


Use File Bookmark (Ctrl+D) instead.

HTH

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

2011-06-13 Thread W3BNR

On 6/12/2011 11:04 PM NoOp submitted the following:

On 06/12/2011 07:00 PM, W3BNR wrote:

On 6/12/2011 7:58 PM NoOp submitted the following:
...

You can redownload the xpi here without
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/addons/67148/
An xpi is a zip archive, so you could unzip, modify the install.rdf,
rezip and install that way if you wanted to. Or just try installing from
the xpi   when it fails it may expand into the proper folder   then
modify the install.rdf.



Ah, yes - I didn't realize that a re-install, even though it failed, would leave
the load intact.  Downloaded the .xpi, went to the directory, changed the .rdf
file and - viola - a restart of SM showed the add-on now works.
(This with the Show IP add-on)  Others will be tried tomorrow.  Thanks.



Welcome.


The following add-on rdf files were modified per instructions and now work with 
SM 2.1 :


* BetterPrivacy 1.51 (http://netticat.ath.cx/extensions.html)
* DownloadHelper 4.8.6 (http://www.downloadhelper.net)
* Image Zoom 0.4.6 (http://imagezoom.yellowgorilla.net/)
* Password Exporter 1.2.1 (http://passwordexporter.fligtar.com)
* PrefBar 5.1.1 (http://prefbar.mozdev.org/)
* Quote Colors 0.3 (http://quotecolors.mozdev.org/)
* ShowIP 1.0 (http://code.google.com/p/firefox-showip/)

Thanks to all who offered the suggestion to modify the .rdf files.


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Re: Lightning 1.0b4pre for SeaMonkey 2.1

2011-06-13 Thread Francesco Presel

WLS ha scritto:

Once more for those of you who may need to install the version of
Lightning that works with SM 2.1.

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly/latest-comm-miramar/


WLS


You can find localized versions here:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly/latest-comm-miramar-l10n/

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Re: Thank you, SM Developers

2011-06-13 Thread Gerd Schweizer

Stan schrieb:


Thank you all once again for all your hard work. Thanks to you, the
developers, people like me have been able to continue along the Netscape
path and still be using this very logical way of doing things.

Bravo!


May i only say: me too
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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-13 Thread Mort

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:48:27 -0400, /Mort/:


I now have to click about 100 times to delete daily cookies, whereas
with previous editions, I clicked only twice to do so. Why?


I suggest you a much simpler setup for managing cookies. I allow all
cookies, but I set to accept them for the current session only (being
session cookies or not). I further white-list sites which cookies I wish
persisted across sessions. This requires far less setup and clicking,
and is generally done just once (for any new site determined important).



On the previous SM versions, I click on cookie manager, and then with 
one click can delete all cookies. With the newest version, I must click 
onto each domain, then delete each individual cookie, =  a hundred 
clicks vs. 2 clicks. I prefer to screen the cookies, as some are 
connected with on-line purchases.


Thanks for all your replies.

Mort
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

2011-06-13 Thread Robert Kaiser

Ant schrieb:

I am trying to avoid sync account and services. I don't like keep
personal datas online. :/


Not even in a way that nobody else can read? Because that's what our 
Sync is, not even the server operators can read the data as they don't 
have the necessary keys, which always remain only on your side of the 
connection.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

2011-06-13 Thread Robert Kaiser

Ant schrieb:

I really don't want to use Sync.


For what reason? Note that all data sent to a server by Sync is not 
readable by the server or its operators as it's encrypted on the client 
side and the private key is never sent to the server. Of course, as we 
are an open organization, you can set up your own server as well, of 
course, Mozilla even provides a version for you to install.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-13 Thread Robert Kaiser

Rufus schrieb:

So far, SM 2.1 has generated the largest number of problems/user
complaints I've ever read here regarding any version/release...and it's
only been a week or so.


Then you haven't been around much. I actually think the amount is pretty 
low compared to 2.0 ;-)


Robert Kaiser


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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-13 Thread Philip Chee
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 10:34:39 -0400, Mort wrote:
 Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
 Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:48:27 -0400, /Mort/:

 I now have to click about 100 times to delete daily cookies, whereas
 with previous editions, I clicked only twice to do so. Why?

 I suggest you a much simpler setup for managing cookies. I allow all
 cookies, but I set to accept them for the current session only (being
 session cookies or not). I further white-list sites which cookies I wish
 persisted across sessions. This requires far less setup and clicking,
 and is generally done just once (for any new site determined important).

 
 On the previous SM versions, I click on cookie manager, and then with 
 one click can delete all cookies. With the newest version, I must click 
 onto each domain, then delete each individual cookie, =  a hundred 
 clicks vs. 2 clicks. I prefer to screen the cookies, as some are 
 connected with on-line purchases.
 
 Thanks for all your replies.
 
 Mort

Workaround:
Tools-Clear Private Data.
Untick everything except Cookies.
Press [Clear Private Data Now]

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Re: font size in seamonkey2.1

2011-06-13 Thread PhillipJones

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/12/11 2:17 PM, Ant wrote:

On 6/12/2011 12:52 PM PT, David E. Ross typed:


I wonder if No Squint 1.93.2.1 extension
(http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html ) will still work in SM
v2.1. I use it to set my font sizes for each web page/site.


Go to about:config and search for browser.zoom.siteSpecific.  The value
true -- the default value -- should cause SeaMonkey 2.1 to remember
how you zoomed a page.  Unfortunately, it remembers zooming for the
entire domain, which can be very annoying if you need different zooming
for different pages in the same domain.


Ah, so I can toss this extension out. I looked at its settings, and it
only does global and site (domains?) only. The reason why I like this
extension is because it can remember only changing font sizes and not
everything else like images. I hope v2.1 does this. Does v2.1 have
settings like a record list of each site settings for font sizes, how
long to remember, etc.? FYI, Firefox's NoSquint version has more
features as shown in https://urandom.ca/nosquint/ ... :/


I don't know about the details of this feature.  I found it so annoying
that I set browser.zoom.siteSpecific to false.

Until I found out about that preference variable, I had even opened a
bug report.  The problem is that it is domain-specific, not
URI-specific.  I visit some Web sites regularly where the fonts on some
pages are too small, on some pages too large, and on some pages just
right.  If I was browsing the site with several tabs, all the tabs for
the site were affected when I zoomed one page.

NoSquint is a Life Saver for me. My eyesight is not what use to be. and 
as I upgrade to new computers the Display detail its larger and the 
details get smaller and and smaller. the display size on my MacBook Pro 
is now 1920x1200 on 17 screen


now if nNSquint could be set to enlarge text on email and newsgroup I'd 
be be thrilled.


I know you can set fonts . Problem is It affect both the Mail  news and 
web browser.  so it you set large enough to see on Mail and news you 
screw up the display of Pages.


here is a sample magnified somewhat:

http://screencast.com/t/fNInHJRPSvhY

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Re: font size in seamonkey2.1

2011-06-13 Thread Ant

On 6/13/2011 8:35 AM PT, PhillipJones typed:


I wonder if No Squint 1.93.2.1 extension
(http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html ) will still work in SM
v2.1. I use it to set my font sizes for each web page/site.


Go to about:config and search for browser.zoom.siteSpecific. The value
true -- the default value -- should cause SeaMonkey 2.1 to remember
how you zoomed a page. Unfortunately, it remembers zooming for the
entire domain, which can be very annoying if you need different zooming
for different pages in the same domain.


Ah, so I can toss this extension out. I looked at its settings, and it
only does global and site (domains?) only. The reason why I like this
extension is because it can remember only changing font sizes and not
everything else like images. I hope v2.1 does this. Does v2.1 have
settings like a record list of each site settings for font sizes, how
long to remember, etc.? FYI, Firefox's NoSquint version has more
features as shown in https://urandom.ca/nosquint/ ... :/


I don't know about the details of this feature. I found it so annoying
that I set browser.zoom.siteSpecific to false.

Until I found out about that preference variable, I had even opened a
bug report. The problem is that it is domain-specific, not
URI-specific. I visit some Web sites regularly where the fonts on some
pages are too small, on some pages too large, and on some pages just
right. If I was browsing the site with several tabs, all the tabs for
the site were affected when I zoomed one page.


NoSquint is a Life Saver for me. My eyesight is not what use to be. and
as I upgrade to new computers the Display detail its larger and the
details get smaller and and smaller. the display size on my MacBook Pro
is now 1920x1200 on 17 screen

now if nNSquint could be set to enlarge text on email and newsgroup I'd
be be thrilled.

I know you can set fonts . Problem is It affect both the Mail  news and
web browser. so it you set large enough to see on Mail and news you
screw up the display of Pages.

here is a sample magnified somewhat:

http://screencast.com/t/fNInHJRPSvhY


Ditto. My old compound eyes aren't the same as they used to be too. :( 
Now, the question does it still work in v2.1. Official developer doesn't 
do SM2 port. :(

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

2011-06-13 Thread Philip Chee
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 22:10:22 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:
 On 6/12/11 2:19 PM, Jan-Galt wrote:
 If I already have something bookmarked, does 2.1 refuse to bookmark it again?
 
 I tried to bookmark http://denver.ebayclassifieds.com/
 and it wouldn't add it to the bottom of the list like usual, so I searched 
 and found it had already been done and was higher up in the list somewhere.
 
 
 Open the Bookmarks Manager.  Navigate to where you want the second
 instance of a bookmark.  This should be in the right-hand pane.  Then
 drag from the address area (URI bar) or a tab and drop into the desired
 location, again in the right-hand pane.
 
 With duplicate bookmarks, you should assign a unique tag -- the same tag
 -- to both.  Then, if you update one, the update will apply to both.  If
 you then delete one, both might be deleted; but I'm not sure about this.

A bookmark is only deleted if all duplicates are deleted. Just like
hard-links in linux directories.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

2011-06-13 Thread Philip Chee
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 16:35:12 -0400, PhillipJones wrote:
 MCBastos wrote:
 Interviewed by CNN on 12/06/2011 12:14, W3BNR told the world:

 So I'll be waiting for the updates to:
 Download Helper
 Prefbar
 Quote Colors
 Show IP
 Mail User Agent

 I wouldn't hold my breath for Display Mail User-Agent, it seems to have
 been abandoned -- version 1.6.6 had problems in Seamonkey for months but
 wasn't fixed. But I managed to update the maxversion in 1.6.5. and it
 seem to work OK in SM 2.1. (Now that 2.1 is final, I might have a look
 at 1.6.6 again, since it seemed to work in Thunderbird...)

 Quote Colors is in a similar situation, but again, it seems to work with
 just a change in the maxversion.

 If Philip Chee is interested, I can mail him my hacked versions of those
 and a couple other extensions that seem to be working fine in SM 2.1

 
 I'll vote for QuoteColors.
 
 Without QuoteColors I simply could not read emails and Newsgroups.

Sure! Send them all to me.

Thanks.

Phil

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Re: Bookmarks issues / question

2011-06-13 Thread J. Weaver Jr.

cmcadams wrote:


Pre-2.1 SMs had a feature where you could specify a target folder for bookmarks 
when
using the (Bookmarks -  Bookmark this Page) pick list from SM's main screen. 
Now such
bookmarks all seem to go to the end of Bookmarks Menu. Am I missing a setting, 
somewhere?


I miss this feature as well. Unsorted Bookmarks doesn't do it for me.  -JW
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Re: Bookmarks issues / question

2011-06-13 Thread J. Weaver Jr.

J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

cmcadams wrote:


 Pre-2.1 SMs had a feature where you could specify a target folder for 
bookmarks when
 using the (Bookmarks -   Bookmark this Page) pick list from SM's main screen. 
Now such
 bookmarks all seem to go to the end of Bookmarks Menu. Am I missing a setting, 
somewhere?


I miss this feature as well. Unsorted Bookmarks doesn't do it for me.  -JW


Followup: just did Bookmark This Page and the new bookmark was placed 
_after_ the last existing bookmark folder (but not in it) and _before_ 
Unsorted Bookmarks. Completely useless.  -JW

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SM 2.1: note for those using StrokeIt or other macro programs

2011-06-13 Thread J. Weaver Jr.
...or any other application which depends on the window class: the 
window class of SM 2.1 is now MozillaWindowClass, which is different 
from previous versions (which were MozillaUIWindowClass).  -JW

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SM 2.1 Password Manager

2011-06-13 Thread NoOp
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608
Firefox/4.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.1

Since upgrading from 2.1b2 I have been having odd issues with POP3 email
stored passwords. On this system I've 4 POP3 accounts  occasionally I
get a password failed error on one or another of the accounts. Sometimes
I can reproduce if I 'Get Msgs|Get All New Messages'. The odd part it
that the correct password *is* there  if I follow through on the
password error dialog, when prompted for a new password, the password is
filled in, but the check box for always remember/save (can't recall the
exact wording just now) in unchecked. I do not enter any other password,
just tick the remember/save box and click OK  off it goes.

It doesn't happen on any particular account. I seems entirely random.

Anyone else notice simlar?
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stumbleupon addon won't load for 2.1

2011-06-13 Thread Stan
Trying to install stumbleupon addon and get message: Stumbleupon not 
compatible with SeaMonkey 2.1.


Do I need to inform anyone about this?

Stan
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Re: stumbleupon addon won't load for 2.1

2011-06-13 Thread TmoWizard
Stan schrieb:
 Trying to install stumbleupon addon and get message: Stumbleupon not
 compatible with SeaMonkey 2.1.
 
 Do I need to inform anyone about this?

You can ignore this mesage, StumpleUpon 3.91 works fine here with
SeaMonkey 2.1! ;-)

 Stan

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Re: Wrapping Text Pages

2011-06-13 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty
David E. Ross wrote:

 When I view ASCII text Web pages that have no explicit line breaks in
 the SeaMonkey browser, the pages are displayed without wrapping.  Is
 there a way to get wrapping?

Insert line feeds where you want them.

 An example is at http://rossde.com/test/Wrap_test.txt, which my
 service's Web server delivers as text/plain.
 
 Apparently, this is NOT a new problem.  I see the same results with SM
 2.0.14 and SM 2.1.

..and I see the same in all my browsers, not just SeaMonkey or Firefox.
It isn't a problem; it's how plain text is displayed.

http://tekrider.net/test/Wrap_test.txt

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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-13 Thread Chris Ilias

On 11-06-13 2:55 PM, Rufus wrote:

Dunno...I was hesitant about 2.0 (in fact, I think I waited until
2.0.something, but I only recall two basic complaints - and most of it
was over the Forms Manager. I feel like I'm reading more for 2.1, and of
wider varieties...and workarounds that have users altering code?
Whassupwiddat?..


Most times, it's better to have actual data. SM2.0 was released on Oct 
27, 2009. Here's a link to the archive of this newsgroup from that time.

http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/browse_frm/month/2009-10?start=750sa=N
From there, you can go through all the posts made in the first few days 
and what the volume of traffic was, and compare it to 2.1.


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Re: Wrapping Text Pages

2011-06-13 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov

Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:04:09 -0700, /David E. Ross/:


When I view ASCII text Web pages that have no explicit line breaks in
the SeaMonkey browser, the pages are displayed without wrapping.  Is
there a way to get wrapping?

An example is at http://rossde.com/test/Wrap_test.txt, which my
service's Web server delivers as text/plain.

Apparently, this is NOT a new problem.  I see the same results with SM
2.0.14 and SM 2.1.


I use (since SeaMonkey 1.*) the very handy Toggle Word Wrap extension:

https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/toggle-word-wrap/

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Re: stumbleupon addon won't load for 2.1

2011-06-13 Thread Stan

TmoWizard wrote:

Stan schrieb:

Trying to install stumbleupon addon and get message: Stumbleupon not
compatible with SeaMonkey 2.1.

Do I need to inform anyone about this?


You can ignore this mesage, StumpleUpon 3.91 works fine here with
SeaMonkey 2.1! ;-)


Stan


Greets from Augsburg, Germany

Mike


I can't ignore the message because the SM Add-Ons Manager marked Stumble 
3.91 as Disabled when I switched over to SM 2.1 yesterday.


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Re: 2.1: Bookmarks Add-on Manager

2011-06-13 Thread Ray_Net

Joe32065 wrote:

Joe32065 wrote:



Thanks, but your #BMB... lines didn't work. I found a similar note on
the Mozilla forums with a reply that does work:

#main-menubar [label=Subscribe to This Page],
#main-menubar [label=Personal Toolbar],
#main-menubar #bookmarksToolbarFolderMenu + menuseparator,
#main-menubar .feedsMenu + menuseparator {display: none !important;}

Could you give details please.
I seem to have 4 userchrome.css Windows 7 32 bit
C:\Users\Dad\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles
C:\Users\Dad\Application Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles
C:\Documents and Settings\Dad\Application
Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\
C:\Documents and Settings\Dad\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\





I edited all 4.


I believe that the two directories:
C:\Documents and Settings\Dad\Application Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\
C:\Documents and Settings\Dad\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\
are related with Windows XP
The two others are for Windows 7
As per http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_SeaMonkey
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Re: Wrapping Text Pages

2011-06-13 Thread David E. Ross
On 6/13/11 12:28 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
 David E. Ross wrote:
 
 When I view ASCII text Web pages that have no explicit line breaks in
 the SeaMonkey browser, the pages are displayed without wrapping.  Is
 there a way to get wrapping?
 
 Insert line feeds where you want them.
 
 An example is at http://rossde.com/test/Wrap_test.txt, which my
 service's Web server delivers as text/plain.

 Apparently, this is NOT a new problem.  I see the same results with SM
 2.0.14 and SM 2.1.
 
 ..and I see the same in all my browsers, not just SeaMonkey or Firefox.
 It isn't a problem; it's how plain text is displayed.
 
 http://tekrider.net/test/Wrap_test.txt
 

Inserting line feeds would work for my own pages.  However, I contrived
my example specifically for this question.

I asked because I have encountered pages by others -- ASCII text, not
HTML -- that do not wrap.  I cannot insert line feeds without first
downloading and editing someone else's work.

I see that you did indeed download and edit my example.  However, if I
shrink my browser window to less than full screen, the problem reappears.

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SM 2.1 Disk Cache

2011-06-13 Thread Ed


Where can I find an explanation of the new layout for the cached files?
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Re: Wrapping Text Pages

2011-06-13 Thread David E. Ross
On 6/13/11 1:13 PM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
 Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:04:09 -0700, /David E. Ross/:
 
 When I view ASCII text Web pages that have no explicit line breaks in
 the SeaMonkey browser, the pages are displayed without wrapping.  Is
 there a way to get wrapping?

 An example is at http://rossde.com/test/Wrap_test.txt, which my
 service's Web server delivers as text/plain.

 Apparently, this is NOT a new problem.  I see the same results with SM
 2.0.14 and SM 2.1.
 
 I use (since SeaMonkey 1.*) the very handy Toggle Word Wrap extension:
 
 https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/toggle-word-wrap/
 

I tried Toggle Word Wrap.  It is exactly what I need.  Thanks.

I also did some research in the HTML specifications at the W3C site,
both HTML 4.01 and the current draft for HTML 5.  Neither of them
mention how a browser should handle plain ASCII text.  Of course, both
specifications are about HTML while a page of plain ASCII text is not
HTML.  The descriptions of the pre element in both specifications say
nothing about wrapping; since the pre element is used when text is
preformatted (e.g., with spaces, indentations, columns), wrapping is
likely unwanted at least as a default.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

2011-06-13 Thread MCBastos

Interviewed by CNN on 13/06/2011 12:56, Philip Chee told the world:


Sure! Send them all to me.

Thanks.


OK, the set of Display MUA + JSlib + QuoteColors + MailRedirect + 
PrefBar should be hitting your mailbox right now.



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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-13 Thread Rufus

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 11-06-13 2:55 PM, Rufus wrote:

Dunno...I was hesitant about 2.0 (in fact, I think I waited until
2.0.something, but I only recall two basic complaints - and most of it
was over the Forms Manager. I feel like I'm reading more for 2.1, and of
wider varieties...and workarounds that have users altering code?
Whassupwiddat?..


Most times, it's better to have actual data. SM2.0 was released on Oct
27, 2009. Here's a link to the archive of this newsgroup from that time.
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/browse_frm/month/2009-10?start=750sa=N

 From there, you can go through all the posts made in the first few days
and what the volume of traffic was, and compare it to 2.1.



Maybe it's because that archive starts with the Release Candidate (which 
I pretty much ignore - more so after my bad experience with a beta) but 
in terms of a final release this latest flurry still seems like it's 
trending to the more, if' it's not there already.


And since I went and read the release notes and see that PPC support has 
been dropped...well...now I can't even test drive 2.1 on the machine I 
depend least upon.  So I'll sit out for a bit.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-13 Thread Paul Bergsagel

PhillipJones wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 06/12/2011 04:13 PM, PhillipJones wrote:
...


NO for me. besides extensions If I switch I'll have to 2.1 I am going to
have to keep a Notepad beside my computer just for usernames and
passwords that won't save.



I find that hard to believe. I suspect the problem may honestly be
PEBCAK, or perhaps something to do with Mac users. 2.1 (all versions)
have done just fine maintaining my uernames and passwords. Do you have a
bug report link regarding your issue?

Is not a Bug. It’s a change in policy.

In SM1.x you were allowed to save user names and password and they would
auto show or fill in even for Banks and Financial Institutions.

In SM2.x the auto-show /filing parts was turned off. You could get
around it by changing one word in Sm2.x

SM2.1 is completely re written and this no longer can be bypassed. So
although you can save passwords and User names if you don't remember how
the User Name Then you out of luck.

You would say wouldn't be dangerous. No-if you use a Master password,
which you should if your dealing with banks and financial Institutions.

But its get worse it even worse it hides all , even benign sites such as
User Groups.

I believe you can always look under TOOLPASSWORD MANAGERSTORED 
PASSWORDMANAGED PASSWORDS and look up all the information you are 
searching for.

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Re: SM 2.1 Disk Cache

2011-06-13 Thread MCBastos

Interviewed by CNN on 13/06/2011 20:45, Ed told the world:


Where can I find an explanation of the new layout for the cached files?


Better yet, is there any extension which can do for the new cache system 
what Cache Viewer did for the old one?


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Re: Wrapping Text Pages

2011-06-13 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 13/06/2011 16:28, Beauregard T. Shagnasty told the 
world:



When I view ASCII text Web pages that have no explicit line breaks in
the SeaMonkey browser, the pages are displayed without wrapping.  Is
there a way to get wrapping?


..and I see the same in all my browsers, not just SeaMonkey or Firefox.
It isn't a problem; it's how plain text is displayed.


Not quite true. SRWare Iron (and therefore, I assume, Google Chrome) 
does wrap the testcase text. But IE9 does not wrap.


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Re: Browser no longer supported

2011-06-13 Thread Stan

Robert Kaiser wrote:

MCBastos schrieb:

Interviewed by CNN on 29/05/2011 16:41, Robert Kaiser told the world:

Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:

For those few sites too stupid to sniff for Gecko, why not just
lie to
them and spoof FF?


That's what 2.1 does. And it's not beta any more, it's RC, which means
it's as good as release, with just minor adjustments to be made still.


I sure hope that one of those adjustments is in the installer.


Yes, the installer glitches are why it hasn't shipped as final yet. We
fixed the default theme thing for the first build of RC2 but didn't even
release that one as we found yet another problem with localizations and
optional extensions that we need to do a second build for, and then RC2
should be there and hopefully will be converted to the actual final
release a few days later.

Robert Kaiser

Robert, I think I hear you saying that when I get messages such as SM 
2.1 not supported that this is a problem to be fixed in a nxt release 
of SM. So, I should just be patient.

Is that correct?

I currently have a problem with FxIF- View EDXIF data,  Image Zoom, and 
StumbleUpon.


Thanks
Stan

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

2011-06-13 Thread Jan-Galt
David E. Ross nobody@nowhere.invalid  wrote :

 On 6/12/11 2:19 PM, Jan-Galt wrote:
 If I already have something bookmarked, does 2.1 refuse to bookmark it
 again? 
 
 I tried to bookmark http://denver.ebayclassifieds.com/
 and it wouldn't add it to the bottom of the list like usual, so I
 searched and found it had already been done and was higher up in the
 list somewhere. 
 
 
 Open the Bookmarks Manager.  Navigate to where you want the second
 instance of a bookmark.  This should be in the right-hand pane.  Then
 drag from the address area (URI bar) or a tab and drop into the desired
 location, again in the right-hand pane.
 
 With duplicate bookmarks, you should assign a unique tag -- the same tag
 -- to both.  Then, if you update one, the update will apply to both.  If
 you then delete one, both might be deleted; but I'm not sure about this.
 

Didn't really want a duplicate, just didn't know I already had it. That green 
marker will be handy. Thanks!

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Re: Browser no longer supported

2011-06-13 Thread David E. Ross
On 6/13/11 5:55 PM, Stan wrote:
 Robert Kaiser wrote:
 MCBastos schrieb:
 Interviewed by CNN on 29/05/2011 16:41, Robert Kaiser told the world:
 Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:
 For those few sites too stupid to sniff for Gecko, why not just
 lie to
 them and spoof FF?

 That's what 2.1 does. And it's not beta any more, it's RC, which means
 it's as good as release, with just minor adjustments to be made still.

 I sure hope that one of those adjustments is in the installer.

 Yes, the installer glitches are why it hasn't shipped as final yet. We
 fixed the default theme thing for the first build of RC2 but didn't even
 release that one as we found yet another problem with localizations and
 optional extensions that we need to do a second build for, and then RC2
 should be there and hopefully will be converted to the actual final
 release a few days later.

 Robert Kaiser

 Robert, I think I hear you saying that when I get messages such as SM 
 2.1 not supported that this is a problem to be fixed in a nxt release 
 of SM. So, I should just be patient.
 Is that correct?
 
 I currently have a problem with FxIF- View EDXIF data,  Image Zoom, and 
 StumbleUpon.
 
 Thanks
 Stan
 
 Stan

IF the problem is that the Web server is sniffing for Firefox instead
of Gecko, SeaMonkey 2.1 solves the problem.  It automatically presents
a user agent (UA) string that contains Firefox.

This feature can be turned off.  On the menu bar, select [Edit 
Preferences  Advanced  HTTP Networking] and uncheck the checkbox for
Advertise Firefox compatibility.

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SeaMonkey installation precedure

2011-06-13 Thread Roger Fink
Suggestion for future major releases of SeaMonkey, such as the upgrade from 
2.0.14 to 2.1.

I tried this upgrade a few days ago but wound up reverting back to 2.0.14 
(note that despite using system restore to do this, I still had to manually 
reestablish some of my original settings, such as theme and home page). The 
reason I went back to 2.0.14 was because there just weren't enough installed 
extensions yet that were upgradable to 2.1.

While I don't know the technical problems involved, I think it would be a 
lot more user-friendly to search out the existing installation before a new 
version is installed and present to the user the same list of existing 
installed extensions that are currently incompatible, and also predetermine 
whether upgrades for them exist. This would be followed by a box to proceed 
or cancel.

This would allow the user to make a decision to install or not install, 
rather than have to install and revert (or regret). 


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Thinkpad Trackpoint Scrolling in 2.1

2011-06-13 Thread Michael Hannon

Hi, folks -

Someone else on this list mentioned a problem with TrackPoint scrolling 
(2.1 Scrolling observation by Jamie Cruz). I can't reply to that 
message as I've just signed up for this list. But, I had the same 
problem and have found a workaround that works for my T500/Windows XP 
combination.


The workaround is simply to set the driver to use 'smooth' (as opposed 
to 'standard') scrolling. The setting on Windows XP is in


Control Panel  Mouse  UltraNav  TrackPoint Settings  Scrolling 
Settings  Scrolling Type


The scrolling is different (I'd call it 'mushier'), but at least it works.

Regards,
- Michael
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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-13 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 13/06/2011 01:10, PhillipJones told the world:

MCBastos wrote:

Funny, username and password saving is working perfectly for me on 2.1.
Both with the old passwords saved before the upgrade, and with new
passwords.



Not for Banks and Financial Institutions. SM 2 would not allow that,
unless certain code in SM2.x to allow its there was even instructions on
what code to change to allow it. You can do that in SM2.1 because its
not written with that type code.



Well, I don't trust *any* software with my bank passwords anyway. Even
on my password manager app (KeePass, if you are interested) I didn't
enter the banking passwords -- what I put is a *hint* (a sort of puzzle)
to help me remember the password, if I ever forget it.

I don't bother memorizing most passwords (e-mail, websites and such) --
the unimportant ones I trust to Seamonkey, the middling-important ones I
save in KeePass. But the ones I do make a point of committing to memory
and not writing them down *anywhere* are:

- Banking passwords;
- The KeePass password (of course)
- The PGP passphrases


That's nice, congratulations!
Out of curiosity,
   How old are you now?
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Re: Thinkpad Trackpoint Scrolling in 2.1

2011-06-13 Thread Cruz, Jaime

Michael Hannon wrote:

Hi, folks -

Someone else on this list mentioned a problem with TrackPoint scrolling
(2.1 Scrolling observation by Jamie Cruz). I can't reply to that
message as I've just signed up for this list. But, I had the same
problem and have found a workaround that works for my T500/Windows XP
combination.

The workaround is simply to set the driver to use 'smooth' (as opposed
to 'standard') scrolling. The setting on Windows XP is in

Control Panel  Mouse  UltraNav  TrackPoint Settings  Scrolling
Settings  Scrolling Type

The scrolling is different (I'd call it 'mushier'), but at least it works.

Regards,
- Michael


Thanks, that did the trick!  I don't know why it's so different; it 
worked just fine with every other app I have installed.



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Re: SM 2.1 Disk Cache

2011-06-13 Thread MCBastos

Interviewed by CNN on 13/06/2011 21:49, User told the world:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 13/06/2011 20:45, Ed told the world:


Where can I find an explanation of the new layout for the cached files?


Better yet, is there any extension which can do for the new cache
system what Cache Viewer did for the old one?



about:cache


I knew about that. It's not the same: the old extension allowed you to 
actually SEE the images cached.


For that matter, I used to just check the cache for recent, large files 
in order to get copies of online movies which denied a save option. I 
tried this today... and I was surprised to see that the about:cache 
not only didn't list it (well, it happens...) but that it listed FAR TOO 
FEW recent files to account for my Web activity. OTOH, the cache (which 
I left at the new let Seamonkey manage the cache size setting to see 
how it goes) is far larger than the 50 Mb I used in 2.0.x. So I'm still 
trying to figure out how this new cache works.


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Re: SeaMonkey installation precedure

2011-06-13 Thread MCBastos

Interviewed by CNN on 13/06/2011 23:21, Roger Fink told the world:

Suggestion for future major releases of SeaMonkey, such as the upgrade from
2.0.14 to 2.1.

I tried this upgrade a few days ago but wound up reverting back to 2.0.14
(note that despite using system restore to do this, I still had to manually
reestablish some of my original settings, such as theme and home page). The
reason I went back to 2.0.14 was because there just weren't enough installed
extensions yet that were upgradable to 2.1.

While I don't know the technical problems involved, I think it would be a
lot more user-friendly to search out the existing installation before a new
version is installed and present to the user the same list of existing
installed extensions that are currently incompatible, and also predetermine
whether upgrades for them exist. This would be followed by a box to proceed
or cancel.

This would allow the user to make a decision to install or not install,
rather than have to install and revert (or regret).


Firefox 4 does have a feature like that. It should be possible to 
migrate the code, but I have no idea how much work it entails.



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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-13 Thread MCBastos

Interviewed by CNN on 13/06/2011 23:31, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj told the world:


I don't bother memorizing most passwords (e-mail, websites and such) --
the unimportant ones I trust to Seamonkey, the middling-important ones I
save in KeePass. But the ones I do make a point of committing to memory
and not writing them down *anywhere* are:

- Banking passwords;
- The KeePass password (of course)
- The PGP passphrases


That's nice, congratulations!
Out of curiosity,
 How old are you now?


I'm in my forties, why?

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Re: font size in seamonkey2.1 on eCS

2011-06-13 Thread Felix Miata
On 2011/06/12 09:03 (GMT-0700) grainau composed:

 i am using two seamonkeys in two different partitions with the same
 ECS2.1. One for test purpose and the other for normal use. And one has
 a good readable font size for the user interface and the other not (is
 very small). What can I do to correct the font size for the other?

Are they really the same, or is one using Panorama video and the other Snap?
Look in CONFIG.SYS for *SDD* entries that don't match if using Snap on both.

Do both in fact have identical font sets available? Do one or the other or both
look like using a different font family from other apps? Which if either more
closely matches UI fonts in other apps?

Are both profiles identical? Created anew? Migrated from an earlier version? Do
either or both profiles contain a chrome/userChrome.css file?

Is reported DPI on http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/dpi-screen-window.html the same for
both, or one 96 and the other 120?
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my sm

2011-06-13 Thread km

... is stuck in safe mode. any hlp???

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Re: Wrapping Text Pages

2011-06-13 Thread Philip Chee
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 10:24:07 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:
 When I view ASCII text Web pages that have no explicit line breaks in
 the SeaMonkey browser, the pages are displayed without wrapping.  Is
 there a way to get wrapping?
 
 An example is at http://rossde.com/test/Wrap_test.txt, which my
 service's Web server delivers as text/plain.
 
 Apparently, this is NOT a new problem.  I see the same results with SM
 2.0.14 and SM 2.1.

A userContent.css style might be helpful e.g.

pre {
  white-space: pre-wrap;
}

You might need !important

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Re: stumbleupon addon won't load for 2.1

2011-06-13 Thread TmoWizard
Stan schrieb:
 
 I can't ignore the message because the SM Add-Ons Manager marked Stumble
 3.91 as Disabled when I switched over to SM 2.1 yesterday.

In about:config you must set /extensions.checkCompatibility/ from *true*
to *false* and it works.

Please install the Add-on /Add-on Compatibility Reporter/ from Mozilla

https://addons.mozilla.org/de/seamonkey/addon/add-on-compatibility-reporter/?src=api

and mark StumpleUppon as *Works properly*, it helps the Autors from
Add-ons, Mozilla and at the End us Users from SeaMonkey or ather
Gecko-Browsers!

 Stan

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