Re: Need testers for Lightning 1.0b4 for SeaMonkey 2.1

[Francesco Presel]

Philip Chee ha scritto:

Hi!

SeaMonkey 2.1 is almost out of the gate. We need to make sure that the
Lightning version targetting SM 2.1 works well with it. So I need
volunteers to smoke test Lightning 1.04b on SeaMonkey 2.1

Lightning 1.0b4pre builds are here:
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly/latest-comm-miramar/
SeaMonkey 2.1pre builds are here:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-2.0/

Lightning will integrate into the MailNews window and you can open new
Calendar and Task tabs via the mini buttons in the tabbar.

Phil

(also posted to Mozillazine
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2210021)

I have also tested the 1.1a1pre "central" nightly build (linux64). 
Although it's not marked as compatible, it appears to work fine on SM 
2.1 (apart from bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=636104 
, which is still in both central and miramar)


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Browser Spoof for 2.0.14?

[TMitchell]

What addon is their to spoof websites that refuse to accept the 
Seamonkey 2.0.14 browser into thinking it is another type of browser, 
like IE?

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Re: Will SM update to 2.1 automatically?

[Daniel]

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 6/14/2011 4:59 PM, Mike C wrote:

Will SM update to 2.1 automatically?


Yes (Just not yet)


IE in the background or without my knowledge?


Not at all, you will be prompted to accept the update.



Justin, just to be totally sure, will SM download the upgrade and then 
ask if I want to install it, or will it tell me an upgrade is available 
and ask if I want to download it??


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Re: Browser Spoof for 2.0.14?

[Gerald Ross]

TMitchell wrote:

What addon is their to spoof websites that refuse to accept the
Seamonkey 2.0.14 browser into thinking it is another type of browser,
like IE?


User Agent Switcher?

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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[Bill Davidsen]

Rufus wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Rufus wrote:


[...snip...]

I've seen a quite a few positive comments, too, but I can't speak from
experience as I haven't installed it. For now, I'm sitting back and
reading, as I usually do, and will decide once I think I have enough
information.



There were major changes moving from 1.1.19 to 2.0.x, and I was hesitant
about those but eventually moved up, but this seems *huge* compared to
that...the negativity is far more fast and furious. Or should I say
"infuriated"?

My biggest complaint is not being able to install themes and extensions which 
work (with whining) if you install under 2.0.1 with all compatibility checking 
disabled and then upgrade to 2.1, but won't install on a new 2.1. That's not 
totally new, same thing in some cases when going 1.1.xx to 2.1.x, and it would 
be nice to have a "do it anyway" box to click when attempting installs.


 request for feature ---
Button in last sentence of above paragraph. Ask before rejecting an extension or 
theme.




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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[Bill Davidsen]

Rufus wrote:

Jan-Galt wrote:


[...snip...]


I already was garnering the impression that I wouldn't want to upgrade
to this version just due to some of the structural changes in it that
I've been reading about here, now I'm *convinced* I don't even want to
take it for a test drive on one of my lesser used machines...

...what the heck happened?




It's great for me.



...that's *one*...anybody else?

I haven't really had a chance to try forms yet, and I have to see if the one 
"must have" extension I use works. Other than that the lack of themes is 
annoying, but not a show stopper, happens with every major release.



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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Daniel]

PhillipJones wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 12/06/2011 12:14, W3BNR told the world:


So I'll be waiting for the updates to:
Download Helper
Prefbar
Quote Colors
Show IP
Mail User Agent


I wouldn't hold my breath for Display Mail User-Agent, it seems to have
been abandoned -- version 1.6.6 had problems in Seamonkey for months
but
wasn't fixed. But I managed to update the maxversion in 1.6.5. and it
seem to work OK in SM 2.1. (Now that 2.1 is final, I might have a look
at 1.6.6 again, since it seemed to work in Thunderbird...)

Quote Colors is in a similar situation, but again, it seems to work
with
just a change in the maxversion.

If Philip Chee is interested, I can mail him my hacked versions of
those
and a couple other extensions that seem to be working fine in SM 2.1



I'll vote for QuoteColors.

Without QuoteColors I simply could not read emails and Newsgroups.



I have QuoteCollapse which does both colors and collapses long quoted
sections so I can read the most recent (current) comments. And expand
the quotes if needed, of course.


I tried QuoteCollase several Times, and iI always ended up with a wide
bar at the bottom where the status bar would be be bout 2" long and
width of the screen. After removing it I would have to remove chrome
file (which I have forgotten which file with SM off and the restart.



Phillip, what you describe (screen wide, 2inch high bar at bottom of 
browser screen) reminds me of a screen that I used to get, back in Moz 
suite days, because one or other of the extensions I had installed 
wouldn't work for the version of Moz I had installed.


Could this be your problem now??

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Re: Fwd: Re: PGA Tour on Facebook with SM2.1

[Daniel]

William Morrison wrote:



d...@kd4e.com wrote:

Facebook is a nightmare in many ways.

If you try to unsubscribe you have to notify them and then
be certain that you do not use your account for *at least*
4 months - only then will they delete your account.

They want to keep their numbers up and don't care about
users.

This should be illegal - I should be able to remove myself,
and have my account 100% purged, within 24 business hours
at most.

I know why people waste so much time on Facebook, and it is
sad.


JeffM wrote:
William Morrison wrote:

that would require me giving out my username and password
to be of any use to anyone
and then everyone would have access to my Facebook Account.


Ah. Facebook is a really stupid idea IMO.


use SM 2.1 create a Facebook account of your own then


You just lost me.
A site that requires a signup to *view* doesn't interest me a bit.
Again, a really stupid idea.



So I guess no one is going to put forth the effort to see why SM 2.1
doesn't want to work with the PGA Tour golf game on Facebook which uses
the Unity Web Player to run huh?



Bill, could it be a User Agent problem??

Some site's are checking what browser you are using and then displaying 
their page to suit.


However they don't support SeaMonkey, but you can fool them by making a 
slight change to your User Agent. Mine reads:-


Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; 
rv:1.9.1.19) Gecko/20110420 SeaMonkey/2.0.14 not firefox


Note the "not firefox" at the end. To do the same to yours:-

1. Enter about:config in your browser address line.
2. You will get a warning...if comfortable click o.k.
3. In the Filter line type useragent
4. click on the screen and select NEW and then String
5. Call it something like general.useragent.extra.seamonkey.firefox and 
give it a value of "not firefox" without the quotes.

6. Close the screen, and close SeaMonkey totally.

Try your game again.

Report back if this doesn't work, and we'll try something else.

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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[Bill Davidsen]

PhillipJones wrote:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 13/06/2011 23:31, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj told the
world:


I don't bother memorizing most passwords (e-mail, websites and such) --
the unimportant ones I trust to Seamonkey, the middling-important
ones I
save in KeePass. But the ones I do make a point of committing to memory
and not writing them down *anywhere* are:

- Banking passwords;
- The KeePass password (of course)
- The PGP passphrases


That's nice, congratulations!
Out of curiosity,
How old are you now?


I'm in my forties, why?



That figures. Your not old enough to have problems remembering things.
As you get older you capacity to remember things gets less and less. Not
because of Dementia. But because your brain is constantly bombarded with
pieces of information to learn and remember. The older you get some
information is lost to make room for new. Also memory can be affecetd by
medicines and chemicals you take, legit or not throughout your existence.

Wait another twenty years you'll find out what us older folk are talking
about.

It's an individual thing, I'm still doing well on remembering passwords for 30+ 
systems I admin, but matching names and faces gets harder.


For Linux users, a quick look at encfs might be instructive, a crypto filesystem 
you mount and use, and a minute (or whatever you set) after you finish using it, 
it unmounts itself. Good place to store many things.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[Bill Davidsen]

PhillipJones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Jan-Galt wrote:

Rufus wrote :


William DeCoster wrote:

Please relay to the seamonkey people. Composer: click on a
graphic it
duplicates and jumps up to another location, (annoying). The graphic
does delete ok, Never an issue before this release. Other annoying
"Features" Pop Up anouncements and compress email folder
announcements. Please, dump this stuff, I can't believe anyone would
want it.


So far, SM 2.1 has generated the largest number of problems/user
complaints I've ever read here regarding any version/release...and
it's
only been a week or so.

I already was garnering the impression that I wouldn't want to
upgrade
to this version just due to some of the structural changes in it that
I've been reading about here, now I'm *convinced* I don't even
want to
take it for a test drive on one of my lesser used machines...

...what the heck happened?




It's great for me.



...that's *one*...anybody else?



NO for me. besides extensions If I switch I'll have to 2.1 I am going to
have to keep a Notepad beside my computer just for usernames and
passwords that won't save.



...now *that* is a deal breaker for me. And totally unexpected.



In SM 1.x you could save "all" user-names and passwords even from Banks
and institutions. Those entities twisted Mozilla's arms in to preventing
That. Supposedly they would be worried that users would protect those
passwords. However Using a Master password encrypts them so even if
computer is stolen there would be some protection. Some one came out
with a method to cancel this change out.

In 2.1 this can no longer be done. And although you can save run of the
mill user-names and passwords you can no longer do so for Banks and
institution even though you have a master password and encrypted.

So if I switch I will have to make a list of all of them and put in a
little black book. Making things even less secure.

For a long time there was no good way to get password info out in human readable 
format, because someone thought that was insecure. However, if you work for an 
entity which has a policy of requiring all passwords be kept with security 
people, then you need either a way to get that info or a new job.


Warning users when they are doing something dangerous is fine, but forgetting 
that it's my computer is not.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[Bill Davidsen]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Rufus schrieb:

So far, SM 2.1 has generated the largest number of problems/user
complaints I've ever read here regarding any version/release...and it's
only been a week or so.


Then you haven't been around much. I actually think the amount is pretty
low compared to 2.0 ;-)

I still think there should be a button (or popup, whatever) on version issues 
which lets the user try anyway. Would be vastly better than having to go through 
about:config diddling totally undocumented flags to get SM to even try to 
install something.


As my old racing partner used to say, "If it blows, it blows, I ain't afraid of 
it."  R.I.P. Fat John.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[Bill Davidsen]

Rufus wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 11-06-13 2:55 PM, Rufus wrote:

Dunno...I was hesitant about 2.0 (in fact, I think I waited until
2.0.something, but I only recall two basic complaints - and most of it
was over the Forms Manager. I feel like I'm reading more for 2.1, and of
wider varieties...and workarounds that have users altering code?
Whassupwiddat?..


Most times, it's better to have actual data. SM2.0 was released on Oct
27, 2009. Here's a link to the archive of this newsgroup from that time.



From there, you can go through all the posts made in the first few days
and what the volume of traffic was, and compare it to 2.1.



Maybe it's because that archive starts with the Release Candidate (which
I pretty much ignore - more so after my bad experience with a beta) but
in terms of a final release this latest flurry still seems like it's
trending to the "more", if' it's not there already.

And bear in mind that much of the pre-release chatter was in the development 
group not this one, so the comparison is really hard to do right.



And since I went and read the release notes and see that PPC support has
been dropped...well...now I can't even test drive 2.1 on the machine I
depend least upon. So I'll sit out for a bit.

I believe you can still use 2.1 in another profile without converting your 2.0 
data, but check that before trusting it. And even on Windows I assume you can 
have another user which is totally independent.


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Re: Will SM update to 2.1 automatically?

[Ant]

On 6/14/2011 2:20 PM PT, Ray_Net typed:


Will SM update to 2.1 automatically?


I hope not ! Let me choice *when* i want to change.


Ditto! I am not ready for v2.1!
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Re: Browser Spoof for 2.0.14?

[Ant]

On 6/15/2011 4:24 AM PT, Gerald Ross typed:


What addon is their to spoof websites that refuse to accept the
Seamonkey 2.0.14 browser into thinking it is another type of browser,
like IE?


User Agent Switcher?


PrefBar? :)
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Re: Browser Spoof for 2.0.14?

[WLS]

TMitchell wrote:

What addon is their to spoof websites that refuse to accept the
Seamonkey 2.0.14 browser into thinking it is another type of browser,
like IE?


SeaMonkey 2.1

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Robert Kaiser]

Bill Davidsen schrieb:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Ant schrieb:

I really don't want to use Sync.


For what reason? Note that all data sent to a server by Sync is not
readable by the server or its operators as it's encrypted on the client
side and the private key is never sent to the server. Of course, as we
are an open organization, you can set up your own server as well, of
course, Mozilla even provides a version for you to install.


Security is not a major issue, at least for most people, but depending
on the network and someone else' servers for backup (and rollback if
needed) might be. If I understand the limitations on version
compatibility between machines, that might be an issue as well.


Note that Sync does not change that your bookmarks, history, passwords, 
tabs are _primarily_ stored *on your own computer, in your profile*.
It just backs up all of those in an encrypted form on the Sync server 
(by default a Mozilla server) and *synchronizes* your local changes with 
this "backup" if you will, as well as any other connected machines with 
the backup.
And I think that for many people, privacy actually is an issue, esp. 
when it comes to what websites they have visited when, or their passwords.


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Re: What is Seamonkey 2.4a and why the version jump?

[Robert Kaiser]

W3BNR schrieb:

Thanks, Bill. I just came up to 2.1 this week. Previously I just stayed
one above the latest releast, ie 2.0.xxpre where xx was one higher than
the official release, so I was used to just a one number difference
between released versions and nightlies. So far I'm happy with 2.1.


The "pre" things have been dropped, among other things because some 
websites detect anything with "pre" in their browser identification ("UA 
string") as a Palm Pre and show a mobile version of the site instead. 
The main reason is that the previous continuous version notation doesn't 
work that well with the new development model at Mozilla.


Starting from now, there are _always_ four "active" versions of Mozilla 
products (like Firefox, Thunderbird and SeaMonkey):

1) Nightly:
   - version number ending in "a1",
 currently "2.4a1" for SeaMonkey, "7.0a1" for Firefox
   - bleeding-edge active development happens here
   - daily updates
   - some things can break for a few days
2) Aurora:
   - version number ending in "a2",
 currently "2.3a2" for SeaMonkey, "6.0a2" for Firefox
   - stabilization happens here, features that don't work correctly are
 being removed, need to wait for next version
   - daily updates
   - nothing should be broken at any time
   - main target for localization and making add-ons compatible
3) Beta:
   - version number looking like final,
 currently "2.2" for SeaMonkey, "5.0" for Firefox
   - issues that are only found with a larger testing community are
 being fixed here, like not very common crashes, etc.
   - roughly weekly updates / betas
   - should have "release candidate" quality, fit for wide-range testing
3) Release:
   - currently 2.1 for SeaMonkey, 4.0(.1) for Firefox
   - no work is happening here, majority of users are on that version
   - bring both security fixes and new features to the masses
   - releases every 6 weeks with outcome from beta cycle
   - within that period, updates are not planned, but very small and
 targeted ones may be done if any grave security issues come up
 that need fixes to be delivered fast ("chemspills").

Every 6 weeks, the code will be shifted from Nightly to Aurora, Aurora 
to Beta, and Beta to Release. The next such "uplift" is coming on July 
5. Only the most recent release is being maintained for security until 
the next one comes 6 weeks later.
That also enables us to talk to users and the press only about "the 
current/next release/beta/aurora" and market features instead of rather 
meaningless version numbers. Also, every feature we get finished can be 
in users' hands within 12-18 weeks and not need a year or two as 
previously. For users, updating to a new version will not change a lot 
every time but only small bits, so that it's way easier to step to a new 
version.


Note that we are just starting into this model, so we are not completely 
aligned with the routine of this yet. SeaMonkey is only starting to 
issue daily builds from "aurora" today, and doing a first "beta" build 
later this week, while Firefox is doing the 5.0 release already next 
week, earlier than in the normal schedule (and SeaMonkey 2.2 probably 
will also be earlier than the normal schedule) to keep their promise of 
"shipping 3 months after Firefox 4". In the next few months, we'll 
become more aligned with this schedule and process and it will feel much 
more like the natural process of things.


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Re: Lost bookmarks

[Ray Davison]

bfairey wrote:

I recently upgraded to 2.1 but my bookmarks have disappeared, Where
are they???


Where were they?  They may be right where you left them.

What did you upgrade from?  Bookmarks act differently in 1X, 2.0X and 
2.1X.  But I still use the same bookmarks for 1X and 2.1X, cross platform.


How did you upgrade?

I very seldom alter or remove an existing OS or app until I know the 
replacement is an improvement.  I run them in parallel.  That way things 
seldom get lost.  This is especially true of anything from Mozilla, 
things change fast, and not always for the better.  I once had twenty 
versions of SM on a HDD while looking for an anomaly injection 
date/time, all running the same profile.


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Re: Will SM update to 2.1 automatically?

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

On 6/15/2011 7:23 AM, Daniel wrote:

Justin, just to be totally sure, will SM download the upgrade and then
ask if I want to install it, or will it tell me an upgrade is available
and ask if I want to download it??


That fact depends on prefs (I'm not sure which pref top of my head)

BUT It will NOT begin the install process at all unless you choose to 
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Re: What is Seamonkey 2.4a and why the version jump?

[W3BNR]

On 6/15/2011 9:20 AM Robert Kaiser submitted the following:

W3BNR schrieb:

Thanks, Bill. I just came up to 2.1 this week. Previously I just stayed
one above the latest releast, ie 2.0.xxpre where xx was one higher than
the official release, so I was used to just a one number difference
between released versions and nightlies. So far I'm happy with 2.1.


The "pre" things have been dropped, among other things because some websites
detect anything with "pre" in their browser identification ("UA string") as a
Palm Pre and show a mobile version of the site instead. The main reason is that
the previous continuous version notation doesn't work that well with the new
development model at Mozilla.

Starting from now, there are _always_ four "active" versions of Mozilla products
(like Firefox, Thunderbird and SeaMonkey):
1) Nightly:
- version number ending in "a1",
currently "2.4a1" for SeaMonkey, "7.0a1" for Firefox
- bleeding-edge active development happens here
- daily updates
- some things can break for a few days
2) Aurora:
- version number ending in "a2",
currently "2.3a2" for SeaMonkey, "6.0a2" for Firefox
- stabilization happens here, features that don't work correctly are
being removed, need to wait for next version
- daily updates
- nothing should be broken at any time
- main target for localization and making add-ons compatible
3) Beta:
- version number looking like final,
currently "2.2" for SeaMonkey, "5.0" for Firefox
- issues that are only found with a larger testing community are
being fixed here, like not very common crashes, etc.
- roughly weekly updates / betas
- should have "release candidate" quality, fit for wide-range testing
3) Release:
- currently 2.1 for SeaMonkey, 4.0(.1) for Firefox
- no work is happening here, majority of users are on that version
- bring both security fixes and new features to the masses
- releases every 6 weeks with outcome from beta cycle
- within that period, updates are not planned, but very small and
targeted ones may be done if any grave security issues come up
that need fixes to be delivered fast ("chemspills").

Every 6 weeks, the code will be shifted from Nightly to Aurora, Aurora to Beta,
and Beta to Release. The next such "uplift" is coming on July 5. Only the most
recent release is being maintained for security until the next one comes 6 weeks
later.
That also enables us to talk to users and the press only about "the current/next
release/beta/aurora" and market features instead of rather meaningless version
numbers. Also, every feature we get finished can be in users' hands within 12-18
weeks and not need a year or two as previously. For users, updating to a new
version will not change a lot every time but only small bits, so that it's way
easier to step to a new version.

Note that we are just starting into this model, so we are not completely aligned
with the routine of this yet. SeaMonkey is only starting to issue daily builds
from "aurora" today, and doing a first "beta" build later this week, while
Firefox is doing the 5.0 release already next week, earlier than in the normal
schedule (and SeaMonkey 2.2 probably will also be earlier than the normal
schedule) to keep their promise of "shipping 3 months after Firefox 4". In the
next few months, we'll become more aligned with this schedule and process and it
will feel much more like the natural process of things.

Robert Kaiser



Thank you, Robert for the expanded explanation.  I have copied it to my notebook 
for future reference.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[PhillipJones]

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 12/06/2011 12:14, W3BNR told the world:


So I'll be waiting for the updates to:
Download Helper
Prefbar
Quote Colors
Show IP
Mail User Agent


I wouldn't hold my breath for Display Mail User-Agent, it seems to
have
been abandoned -- version 1.6.6 had problems in Seamonkey for months
but
wasn't fixed. But I managed to update the maxversion in 1.6.5. and it
seem to work OK in SM 2.1. (Now that 2.1 is final, I might have a look
at 1.6.6 again, since it seemed to work in Thunderbird...)

Quote Colors is in a similar situation, but again, it seems to work
with
just a change in the maxversion.

If Philip Chee is interested, I can mail him my hacked versions of
those
and a couple other extensions that seem to be working fine in SM 2.1



I'll vote for QuoteColors.

Without QuoteColors I simply could not read emails and Newsgroups.



I have QuoteCollapse which does both colors and collapses long quoted
sections so I can read the most recent (current) comments. And expand
the quotes if needed, of course.


I tried QuoteCollase several Times, and iI always ended up with a wide
bar at the bottom where the status bar would be be bout 2" long and
width of the screen. After removing it I would have to remove chrome
file (which I have forgotten which file with SM off and the restart.



Phillip, what you describe (screen wide, 2inch high bar at bottom of
browser screen) reminds me of a screen that I used to get, back in Moz
suite days, because one or other of the extensions I had installed
wouldn't work for the version of Moz I had installed.

Could this be your problem now??

well I had that problem on All SM1.x versions and even tried on SM when 
it first came out with same result. the only cure was remove it them 
remove certain chrome files and let them rebuild of couse by doing so 
you had reinstall all your extensions. IN SM2 I tried it first. so I 
didn't have to remove much.


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Re: Browser Spoof for 2.0.14?

[PhillipJones]

WLS wrote:

TMitchell wrote:

What addon is their to spoof websites that refuse to accept the
Seamonkey 2.0.14 browser into thinking it is another type of browser,
like IE?


SeaMonkey 2.1

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

well the first two options are good.

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Browser History

[David E. Ross]

I have read some comments here and also at
 that
some users are upset by the fact that entries in the browser history can
no longer be automatically expired according to the age of the entry.
For example, we can no longer set a preference to expire any entry that
is more than 30 days old.

Bug #660646 at 
requests that this capability be restored.  This bug will likely NOT be
treated seriously unless more users log onto bugzilla.mozilla.org and
vote for this bug.  (Nevertheless, votes do not necessarily result in
implementation.)

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On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages
posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent
because of spam from that source.
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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[Bill Davidsen]

WLS wrote:

William DeCoster wrote:

Please relay to the seamonkey people. Composer: click on a graphic it
duplicates and jumps up to another location, (annoying). The graphic
does delete ok, Never an issue before this release. Other annoying
"Features" Pop Up anouncements and compress email folder
announcements. Please, dump this stuff, I can't believe anyone would
want it.


The SeaMonkey people are to my knowledge not doing any development of
Composer and IMHO think it should be removed from the suite.

What is it with people who think that if they don't use something it should 
cease to exist? I heard the same thing about Chatzilla in a chat room Monday, 
and I was using CZ right then!


If you don't like it, don't use it. Some of us use that composer to maintain a 
ton of HTML docs, and some wouldn't use SM otherwise.



I haven't seen any Pop Up or compress email folder announcements. I have
seen door hanger announcements. Which I like, love and want some more!

Perhaps you should review all of your preference and set them accordingly.



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taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if
we persevere we will reach our destination.  -me, 2010


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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[Bill Davidsen]

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 6/12/2011 3:46 PM, WLS wrote:

The SeaMonkey people are to my knowledge not doing any development of
Composer and IMHO think it should be removed from the suite.


You are part right, there has not been much work on Composer from the
SeaMonkey team.

This is however not to be construed as a desire to rid ourselves of it,
just a "too much to do, too little time" issue. We wish to keep it, and
in fact, wish to improve it.

Please don't improve the user interface, the reason I like it is that I don't 
have to learn all new keystrokes and methods every 4-6 months.


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we persevere we will reach our destination.  -me, 2010


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Cookies Manager SM 2.1

[JD]

In the Data Manager, Cookies tab, when I right mouse click on a Domain, 
for example, 2o7.net, what does it mean "Forget About This Domain"?


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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[Bill Davidsen]

WLS wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 6/12/2011 3:46 PM, WLS wrote:

The SeaMonkey people are to my knowledge not doing any development of
Composer and IMHO think it should be removed from the suite.


You are part right, there has not been much work on Composer from the
SeaMonkey team.

This is however not to be construed as a desire to rid ourselves of it,
just a "too much to do, too little time" issue. We wish to keep it, and
in fact, wish to improve it.



I'm aware of the "too much to do, too little time" issue.

If as Phillip says it is used to compose HTML mail then I guess it has
to stay. Too bad it can't be hidden so it can't be used for web design.

Why do you people want to make life difficult for people who use tools you 
don't? Are you such a control freak that if you don't like it you want to see it 
die. Many people DO use it, productively.


If you want to use something else, please go do so. Quietly.


I take it Thunderbird uses it for HTML mail also?



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taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if
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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[PhillipJones]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

WLS wrote:

William DeCoster wrote:

Please relay to the seamonkey people. Composer: click on a graphic it
duplicates and jumps up to another location, (annoying). The graphic
does delete ok, Never an issue before this release. Other annoying
"Features" Pop Up anouncements and compress email folder
announcements. Please, dump this stuff, I can't believe anyone would
want it.


The SeaMonkey people are to my knowledge not doing any development of
Composer and IMHO think it should be removed from the suite.


What is it with people who think that if they don't use something it
should cease to exist? I heard the same thing about Chatzilla in a chat
room Monday, and I was using CZ right then!

If you don't like it, don't use it. Some of us use that composer to
maintain a ton of HTML docs, and some wouldn't use SM otherwise.


I haven't seen any Pop Up or compress email folder announcements. I have
seen door hanger announcements. Which I like, love and want some more!

Perhaps you should review all of your preference and set them
accordingly.





That's typical of developers. If they don't use it, whether user it, it 
gone be daxxxed.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[Bill Davidsen]

WLS wrote:

cyberzen wrote:

WLS a écrit :

William DeCoster wrote:

Please relay to the seamonkey people. Composer: click on a graphic it
duplicates and jumps up to another location, (annoying). The graphic
does delete ok, Never an issue before this release. Other annoying
"Features" Pop Up anouncements and compress email folder
announcements. Please, dump this stuff, I can't believe anyone would
want it.


The SeaMonkey people are to my knowledge not doing any development of
Composer and IMHO think it should be removed from the suite.


I hope this proposal to remove it could not be done without a vote and
mine would be "NO !"
after all if you don't like it, do not look at it, but leave it alone !



It is not that I don't like it. If it was a GOOD WYSIWYG web editor I
might even use it.

However the development of the web has moved on to HTML, CSS and
JavaScript, which Composer as it stands today does not handle properly
in the current version. All I see it capable of is HTML.

Which is perfectly adequate for many things, for people who want to quickly 
generate useful content and feel no need to crap it up with all of those things 
just to show how clever they are.



Can you create separate CSS stylesheets with it? All I see is inline
styling for each element when I try and help someone who complains their
page doesn't look right in a certain browser, but looks fine in another
with pages designed with Composer.

Could that be because no style sheet will help people using IE6 or similar which 
don't support perfectly valid HTML even of the simplest type.



Does it handle HTML5? How do I change the default HTML 4.01 Transitional
DOCTYPE it always inserts if I want to create a XHTML Strict site?

Then you should use the right tool instead of complaining that the wrong tool 
does a poor job!



Keep it for email, hide the icon, disable Ctrl+4 and the Window menu
item until such time it is compatible with the changes in web design.

I'll stick with hand coding in a text editor or use Aptana Studio.


And we won't try to take that away from you.


http://www.aptana.com/




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Re: Cookies Manager SM 2.1

[Robert Kaiser]

JD schrieb:

In the Data Manager, Cookies tab, when I right mouse click on a Domain,
for example, 2o7.net, what does it mean "Forget About This Domain"?


Click it and you'll see a tab about all the data it can "forget". Going 
into the "Forget" tab through this will not delete anything yet, 
clicking the button on that tab will.


Robert Kaiser

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meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible 
arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the 
time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :)

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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[Robert Kaiser]

PhillipJones schrieb:

That's typical of developers. If they don't use it, whether user it, it
gone be daxxxed.


Thanks for confirming one of the reasons why I don't want to be in the 
lead of this project in the future - crap like that being spread by 
clueless trolls e.g. here.


Robert Kaiser

--
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meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible 
arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the 
time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :)

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SM 2.1 and ReminderFox

[neandr]

Notice to ReminderFox users:

We have an beta release 1.9.9.4 available to be compatible with SM2.1.

Tom -- the author of the extension -- is planning to release a new 
version some when the next week. For those who are in urgent need I can 
send the current XPI status via mail.

Please drop a line to gneandr at gmail dot com

Günter



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Seamonkey email question

[Syke]

I've only recently come across Seamonkey and decided to install the 
latest version, 2.1.  I must say I was pleasantly surprised at the 
straightforwardness of it all, as well as the support and documentation. 
 After sorting out a few problems, (for me)  I came across one that I 
can't seem to circumvent.  I imported all my emails from OE6 and when I 
open these , all the Sender's names have quote marks round them.  Is 
there a way to fix this "globally"? If not, then it's enough to stop me 
using SM exclusively.


Regards and thanks in advance,

Syke
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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 Sync

[Norman Fuchs]

I've just installed SM 2.1, and then I tried to set up Sync, but without 
success.  I get the popup window asking me to enter an email address, 
password, and I checked the "accept" button, but nothing happens.  The 
"Next" button is grayed out.  Could someone please help?

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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[PhillipJones]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

PhillipJones schrieb:

That's typical of developers. If they don't use it, whether user do use it, it
gone be daxxxed.


Thanks for confirming one of the reasons why I don't want to be in the
lead of this project in the future - crap like that being spread by
clueless trolls e.g. here.

Robert Kaiser

Answer me a Question. How many features have we users begged and plead 
for developers to keep and they were removed anyway?


I don't have enough fingers and toes. And Even if I was to borrow my 
mother's still would have enough.



If a Feature is put in and if the developer doesn't use it even if users 
have become use to using it. Its gone. No questions asked no explanation 
given.


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Re: V2.1 problem in Composer mode

[NoOp]

On 06/15/2011 01:27 PM, Helene wrote:
> Hi there,
> I test-installed v.2.1 yesterday, but was completely unable to use the 
> Composer mode (in 
> Wysiwyg) - the Code page is OK ;)
> My problem is I mainly use Seamonkey as HTML-editor : it's simple, produces 
> clean HTML and has 
> both WYSIWIG and CODE modes… well : it had !!
> And the possibility to instantly test the modifications without changing 
> program was a +
> But now, I cannot edit pages at all :
> * tags in the bottom bar don't seem to function correctly anymore, to select, 
> unselect, change 
> name or add property - once you have selected one, you cannot change it 
> anymore, and it is 
> almost impossible to click in another place in the page :(

I'll admit that I've not used Composer for quite some time. However,
when I go to http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ and use File|Edit Page
I can see the page w/o issue in Normal/HTML Tags/Source/Preview.
I've no problems modifying the page in Normal. Just for grins I did a
Find & Replace, replacing SeaMonkey with Firefox & that worked just fine.

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608
Firefox/4.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.1

> 
> It seems that the developpers had a lot of work on the "Surfing" abilities, 
> but completely let 
> out the "Editing" abilities - pity !!
>

It seems that you might have check to see if others experience the same
before chastising the (sic) developpers... pity.

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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Please don't improve the user interface, the reason I like it is that I
don't have to learn all new keystrokes and methods every 4-6 months.


The improve, is in all aspects, we don't intend to break your 
experiences/learned habits there where possible. But don't fear I don't 
see anyone working on *anything* substantial there at the moment anyway.


But there have been lots of web additions/features/etc. added to the Web 
Platform since Composer was first made, so it does need some updating to 
stay relevant.


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V2.1 problem in Composer mode

[Helene]

Hi there,
I test-installed v.2.1 yesterday, but was completely unable to use the Composer mode (in 
Wysiwyg) - the Code page is OK ;)
My problem is I mainly use Seamonkey as HTML-editor : it's simple, produces clean HTML and has 
both WYSIWIG and CODE modes… well : it had !!

And the possibility to instantly test the modifications without changing 
program was a +
But now, I cannot edit pages at all :
* tags in the bottom bar don't seem to function correctly anymore, to select, unselect, change 
name or add property - once you have selected one, you cannot change it anymore, and it is 
almost impossible to click in another place in the page :(


It seems that the developpers had a lot of work on the "Surfing" abilities, but completely let 
out the "Editing" abilities - pity !!


Helene
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Re: A stupid underlined thread

[Ray_Net]

NoOp wrote:

On 06/14/2011 02:45 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

Some times a see some thread being underlined ... but did not contain
any un-readed post.

Is it a problem with SM or the server "news.mozilla.org" owning
"mozilla.support.seamonkey" ?

This situation is ennoying.


FWIW I do get that occasionally; not just on news.mozilla.org, but on
other news servers as well. Seems as if the msg read bits get out of
sorts. Generally when that happens I close the nntp window that I'm
using&  reload a new one to see if that will reset it. Sometimes it
does, sometimes it doesn't until close SM and restart. Doesn't happen
often, but certainly when it does it's irritating.


Pleased to know that a i am not alone with this problem.
When i got this problem, some thread are underlined because there is 
some un-read messages. After reading all the un-readed message of this 
thread i collapse the thread and it is not underlined anymore. When i 
work with a false underlined thread i open it, and did not see any 
un-readed message. Then when i collapse the thread, it is still underlined.


I have encountered the next day a pop-up message asking me to download 
all messages (nearly 96000) I choice to not download  then when i 
open a false underlined thread and collapse it ... the underlined status 
dissapear. I was obliged to do this action for all the offended thread 
to be able to reset all the false underlined status. this take time ... 
but after that all goes well as before.

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Re: Cookies Manager SM 2.1

[JD]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

JD schrieb:

In the Data Manager, Cookies tab, when I right mouse click on a Domain,
for example, 2o7.net, what does it mean "Forget About This Domain"?


Click it and you'll see a tab about all the data it can "forget". Going
into the "Forget" tab through this will not delete anything yet,
clicking the button on that tab will.

Robert Kaiser



OK, I see the tab. Sorry to be a dummy. Say I elect to "forget" all the 
cookies. Does it just delete all the cookies?


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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[Chris Ilias]

On 11-06-15 2:13 PM, PhillipJones wrote:

That's typical of developers. If they don't use it, whether user it, it
gone be daxxxed.


Phillip, prejudice comments like that are not welcome here. In the past, 
you've spread a lot of misinformation about developers, Mozilla, 
SeaMonkey, and me, and smeared them with bigoted comments. Enough is 
enough. From now on, if you post an accusation against Mozilla, the 
SeaMonkey council, or developers, *without backing it up* , your post 
will be removed.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> cOMPOSER

[Helene]

Rick Merrill a écrit :

William DeCoster wrote:

Please relay to the seamonkey people. Composer: click on a graphic it
duplicates and jumps up to another location, (annoying). The graphic
does delete ok, Never an issue before this release. Other annoying
"Features" Pop Up anouncements and compress email folder
announcements. Please, dump this stuff, I can't believe anyone would
want it.


Sounds like the "copy object" feature in COMPOSER. I've gotten into that
mode too, but now I seem to know how to avoid it.



How did you solve it : I cannot seem to be able to work with Composer anymore :)
Helene

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Re: Browser Spoof for 2.0.14?

[David E. Ross]

On 6/15/11 4:24 AM, Gerald Ross wrote:
> TMitchell wrote:
>> What addon is their to spoof websites that refuse to accept the
>> Seamonkey 2.0.14 browser into thinking it is another type of browser,
>> like IE?
> 
> User Agent Switcher?
> 

I prefer PrerBar.  It's not that I have anything against User Agent
Switcher.  It's just that I alread have PrefBar installed for other uses.

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On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages
posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent
because of spam from that source.
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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 Sync

[Jens Hatlak]

Norman Fuchs wrote:

I've just installed SM 2.1, and then I tried to set up Sync, but without
success. I get the popup window asking me to enter an email address,
password, and I checked the "accept" button, but nothing happens. The
"Next" button is grayed out. Could someone please help?


Try setting the Server to something else and then back to the default.

I filed a bug for this issue:


HTH

Jens

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safe mode trouble

[km]

... whenever i  start sm it cums up in safe-mode.
this annoys me. can u hlp???

k
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Re: safe mode trouble

[David E. Ross]

On 6/15/11 3:04 PM, km wrote:
> ... whenever i  start sm it cums up in safe-mode.
> this annoys me. can u hlp???
> 
> k

How do you start up?  For example, do you select an icon on your desk
top?  Or do you select from the Start button on your task bar?

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I finally figured out how to eliminte Tabs in 2.1

[question]

 Preferences The following are checked

Under Tabbed browsing
 Hide the tab bar when only one tab is open

---


Under Link Behavior

open links meant to open a new window
 Current/tab/ window is Checked

-

When Scripts want to open a new window
   Always open anew windows is checked

-

Open links passed from other applications

 The Current tab/window

-










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Re: Browser Spoof for 2.0.14?

[Rufus]

Gerald Ross wrote:

TMitchell wrote:

What addon is their to spoof websites that refuse to accept the
Seamonkey 2.0.14 browser into thinking it is another type of browser,
like IE?


User Agent Switcher?



Second.  Love it.

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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 Sync

[Norman Fuchs]

On 6/15/2011 2:59 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote:

Norman Fuchs wrote:

I've just installed SM 2.1, and then I tried to set up Sync, but without
success. I get the popup window asking me to enter an email address,
password, and I checked the "accept" button, but nothing happens. The
"Next" button is grayed out. Could someone please help?


Try setting the Server to something else and then back to the default.

I filed a bug for this issue:


HTH

Jens


Thank you.  That worked.
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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[Rufus]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 11-06-13 2:55 PM, Rufus wrote:

Dunno...I was hesitant about 2.0 (in fact, I think I waited until
2.0.something, but I only recall two basic complaints - and most of it
was over the Forms Manager. I feel like I'm reading more for 2.1,
and of
wider varieties...and workarounds that have users altering code?
Whassupwiddat?..


Most times, it's better to have actual data. SM2.0 was released on Oct
27, 2009. Here's a link to the archive of this newsgroup from that time.


From there, you can go through all the posts made in the first few days
and what the volume of traffic was, and compare it to 2.1.



Maybe it's because that archive starts with the Release Candidate (which
I pretty much ignore - more so after my bad experience with a beta) but
in terms of a final release this latest flurry still seems like it's
trending to the "more", if' it's not there already.


And bear in mind that much of the pre-release chatter was in the
development group not this one, so the comparison is really hard to do
right.



Yes.  Development chatter is all well and good (and required), and in 
keeping with being an end-user I only bother relating to end/final 
release commentary.



And since I went and read the release notes and see that PPC support has
been dropped...well...now I can't even test drive 2.1 on the machine I
depend least upon. So I'll sit out for a bit.


I believe you can still use 2.1 in another profile without converting
your 2.0 data, but check that before trusting it. And even on Windows I
assume you can have another user which is totally independent.



I think what I might do is install it in my Home User Applications 
folder only - that way I can get rid of it once I decide I really can't 
stand it.  Or alternatively I can just back up my entire 2.0.14 Profile, 
wipe SM, and restore the required contents from backup to recover...I 
ended up doing that during my last beta-test disaster.  Which is one 
more reason I'm really skeptical...


...OTOH, having bought an iPad recently is rapidly changing my work 
flow/habits re: browsing Usenet and surfing the web - I was thinking 
that Opera Mobile would be just the solution for iPad, but it doesn't 
operate with Mail/News in tabs like desktop Opera does.  Tabs *really* 
shine on laptops and i-devices, IMO.  So I'm left to use Safari or 
Atomic in combination with something like Newstap on my iPad.  Which 
gets me wondering why I don't just use Safari and Thunderbird on my Macs.


If there isn't a combined suite solution for iPad soon, I may just 
finally chuck the suite concept altogether after all these years...pity. 
 In fact, the market seems *wide* open for Usenet newsreaders for iOS. 
 An iOS version of SM building on the tab concept would be ideal, and 
certainly go a far distance to retaining my interest in the combined 
suite concept.  Yeah, I know it would cost some work...but that's why 
they call it *work*.


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Re: Fwd: Re: PGA Tour on Facebook with SM2.1

[William Morrison]

Bill, could it be a User Agent problem??


Some site's are checking what browser you are using and then 
displaying their page to suit.


However they don't support SeaMonkey, but you can fool them by making 
a slight change to your User Agent. Mine reads:-


Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; 
rv:1.9.1.19) Gecko/20110420 SeaMonkey/2.0.14 not firefox


Note the "not firefox" at the end. To do the same to yours:-

1. Enter about:config in your browser address line.
2. You will get a warning...if comfortable click o.k.
3. In the Filter line type useragent
4. click on the screen and select NEW and then String
5. Call it something like general.useragent.extra.seamonkey.firefox 
and give it a value of "not firefox" without the quotes.

6. Close the screen, and close SeaMonkey totally.

Try your game again.

Report back if this doesn't work, and we'll try something else.

Thanks for trying Danial that didn't help and never had to uses it with 
SM 2.0.1* this just happened since I updated to SM 2.1. SM 2.0.14 worked 
just fine with the standard user string. Guess I'll just have to use 
Chrome to play it, Chrome always has operated faster for me anyhow.


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Re: Browser Spoof for 2.0.14?

[WLS]

PhillipJones wrote:

WLS wrote:

TMitchell wrote:

What addon is their to spoof websites that refuse to accept the
Seamonkey 2.0.14 browser into thinking it is another type of browser,
like IE?


SeaMonkey 2.1

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

well the first two options are good.



Gonna have to move on eventually. Why not now?
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Type size in browser window/s

[Ken]

I have SM 2.0.14 and Windows 7.

For yonks SM hasn't coped with certain browser page displays where there 
are inserts (windows within the page, and that sort of thing).  Often 
the last line or two of an insert is out of sight when it should be visible.


By contrast, the same page as displayed by Internet Explorer 9 shows all 
of any text - no text is out of sight.  I notice, though, that the 
type-size used for the page is smaller than my SM uses.  So it occurs to 
me to try to reduce the size of type used by my SM display.  Maybe that 
will solve my problem.


So my question is: how do I change (make smaller) the type-size/s used 
by SM in its browser window?


Thanks - Ken (in Oz)
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