Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 22:34, d...@kd4e.com told the world:


How does Midori, which ID's as Safari, fit in the mix?


I don't have any personal experience with Midori, but I understand from 
the website that it depends on a separate standard installation of 
Webkit, instead of bundling their own tweaked version. So it is, in 
general terms, a browser shell. I didn't find any information regarding 
versions for iOS, but if they do make one, that version is clearly 
"just" a browser shell, since they are unable to make any sort of 
changes to the engine.


On other platforms, though, there's still the theoretical possibility of 
the Midori team growing unhappy with some aspects of Webkit and deciding 
to fork their own version. So, on these platforms Midori has at least 
the *potential* to become a full browser.

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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

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Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 22:55, PhillipJones told the world:


You do know Apple is now selling Unlocked iPhones Just announced last week.


"Unlocked" means "not tied to a phone carrier." But it is still tied to 
the Apple store, and subject to Apple's rules. It's not factory-jailbroken.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

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If it's based on Safari, it won't be Seamonkey. To develop a Gecko
browser, it would be restricted to jailbroken devices. There's simply
not enough users, not enough developer interest to do it. If there was
interest, somebody would be doing it -- Mozilla is fully free software,
after all.


How does Midori, which ID's as Safari, fit in the mix?


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Re: Corrupt download to Network share on Windows 7

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

On 6/17/2011 11:03 PM, NoOp wrote:

On 06/17/2011 07:34 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 6/17/2011 9:05 PM, David Wilkinson wrote:

I have had a long-standing problem in SeaMonkey with corrupt downloads
to a network share on a Windows 7 machine (my HTPC/Server).

Apparently this problem is present in FireFox also

http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/753738

In this thread it says that this problem will be fixed in FireFox 5.
When do FireFox 5 fixes arrive in SeaMonkey?



SeaMonkey 2.2 will have those fixes. And will arrive in ~2-3 weeks we hope.



And the url to the bug report is where? This is not a casual issue, so
any details that you can provide will be helpful.


I based my answer on the ops question, about when will SeaMonkey based 
on Firefox 5 be out.


I don't have the bug number, nor have I tested this issue, but the 
relevant code is all shared so if it is infact fixed in Firefox 5, it 
will be fixed in SeaMonkey 2.2


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Re: ZOOM

[David E. Ross]

On 6/17/11 7:44 PM, km wrote:
> ... i am visually impaired and MUST
> use text zoom extensively. is there
>   anyway to preset the zoom???
> 
> b

If you mean in the SeaMonkey browser, there are several things you can do.

On the menu bar, select [Edit > Preferences].  On the Preferences
window, select [Appearance > Fonts].  On the Fonts pane, set the sizes
for Proportional and for Monospace to a larger value.  Also set the
Minimum font size larger.  This will constrain all fonts from becoming
smaller than the specified sizes.

Install the PrefBar extension.  Enable the Font+ and Font- buttons.  Use
the Font+ to make text larger.  On the SeaMonkey address area (URI bar),
enter about:config.  Search for browser.zoom.siteSpecific and make sure
this preference variable is true.  The Font+ and Font- buttons allow you
to control zooming while the preference variable will cause zooming to
be remembered for the current domain, even after SeaMonkey is terminated
and then relaunched and after you visit other domains.

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On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages
posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent
because of spam from that source.
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Re: Corrupt download to Network share on Windows 7

[David Wilkinson]

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

SeaMonkey 2.2 will have those fixes. And will arrive in ~2-3 weeks we hope.


Thanks, Justin.

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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[PhillipJones]

Rufus wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Rufus schrieb:

It's not really a case of Apple "not allowing it" - it's more a case of
developers embracing, stepping up, and coding. There are a number of
alternative browsers for iPad, the most popular (I can see why) being
the Atomic browser - somewhat SM-like, and far more feature-rich than
Safari on iOS.


None of them is a browser by itself. Apple does NOT allow ANY software
in their store that competes with some software they are providing with
the device theirselves. All those "alternatives" are just Safari with a
different "costume", i.e. some other user interface around it.



...I dunno. I guess we're arguing coding semantics. Atomic is certainly
a "browser" to me, because it browses. And it's functionality and
feature set are vastly different from Safari, it certainly competes with
Safari, I got it from the Apple App Store for 99 cents...and there are
others there. So I don't buy your premise one bit as stated.

Yes, it's platform-specific and uses some platform specific code, but so
do a whole host of other software. I don't have an issue with that from
any standpoint.


But again, the way iOS works I find *far* less utility in the suite
concept when working on my iPad


Well, I'm reasonably sure that communication methods that don't run
inside the browser will be mostly dying out in the next years. But then,
that's just my opinion.

Robert Kaiser




The iPad is certainly the first device I've bought in a very long time
that is actually changing the way I work. I'm sort of dubious about the
approaching Lion OS...I'm not sure I'm going to like some of it's more
"iOS-like" implementations on my desktop, but then again I'm not sure I
won't. Everything changes...what matters more is still being able to
make choices which suits the individual user. More products, more better.

You are aware the only way to get Lion is have a Very good Internet 
Connection Perhaps FOIS or better. It will not be sold on DVD. It will 
only cost $29.00.


Unfortunately with My puny DSL it will take at least 24 hours to download.

I, and a lot of other have protested on the Apple newsgroups. And on the 
Feedback Channels are getting red hot to.


In my Area, High speed anything is just not available. Cable is slow DSL 
is Slow and a lot of the people in my area are using Dial up. They just 
can't afford otherwise.


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Re: Corrupt download to Network share on Windows 7

[NoOp]

On 06/17/2011 07:34 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
> On 6/17/2011 9:05 PM, David Wilkinson wrote:
>> I have had a long-standing problem in SeaMonkey with corrupt downloads
>> to a network share on a Windows 7 machine (my HTPC/Server).
>>
>> Apparently this problem is present in FireFox also
>>
>> http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/753738
>>
>> In this thread it says that this problem will be fixed in FireFox 5.
>> When do FireFox 5 fixes arrive in SeaMonkey?
>>
> 
> SeaMonkey 2.2 will have those fixes. And will arrive in ~2-3 weeks we hope.
> 

And the url to the bug report is where? This is not a casual issue, so
any details that you can provide will be helpful.

Thanks.

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Re: Corrupt download to Network share on Windows 7

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

On 6/17/2011 9:05 PM, David Wilkinson wrote:

I have had a long-standing problem in SeaMonkey with corrupt downloads
to a network share on a Windows 7 machine (my HTPC/Server).

Apparently this problem is present in FireFox also

http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/753738

In this thread it says that this problem will be fixed in FireFox 5.
When do FireFox 5 fixes arrive in SeaMonkey?



SeaMonkey 2.2 will have those fixes. And will arrive in ~2-3 weeks we hope.

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ZOOM

[km]

... i am visually impaired and MUST
use text zoom extensively. is there
 anyway to preset the zoom???

b
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Corrupt download to Network share on Windows 7

[David Wilkinson]

I have had a long-standing problem in SeaMonkey with corrupt downloads to a 
network share on a Windows 7 machine (my HTPC/Server).


Apparently this problem is present in FireFox also

http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/753738

In this thread it says that this problem will be fixed in FireFox 5. When do 
FireFox 5 fixes arrive in SeaMonkey?


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Re: WebGL [was: When 2.1?]

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

On 6/17/2011 1:11 PM, Philip Chee wrote:

On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:56:22 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/12/11 5:36 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/12/11 4:55 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote:

WLS schrieb:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

WLS schrieb:

Is WebGL going to be disabled by default or is that something we will
need to do in about:config?


Why should it?


Because of the security threat.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/11/chrome_firefox_security_threat/


None of that is a real security threat that requires immediate action,
from all I know and heard (and I'm in Mozilla's security group). This
looks very much like some "investigator" trying to gather massive media
attention in his favor without a really good backing. Both "threats" are
low-impact concerns that we will look into but require no immediate
action. There will be a Mozilla blog post on this topic very soon.

Media is making every fly into an elephant if they think they can "sell
a scandal".

Robert Kaiser



US-CERT, an agency within the U.S. Department of Homeland Security,
gives credence to this threat.  See
.



According to Slashdot, Micro$oft will not implement WebGL because of
security concerns.  See
.


Of course, the concern might really be the cost of implementing it
correctly.


A devastating counterpoint to Microsoft:




Even more daunting from a Microsoft Guy:

http://www.realityprime.com/articles/why-microsoft-and-internet-explorer-need-webgl

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[PhillipJones]

Glen wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I tried QuoteCollase several Times, and iI always ended up with a wide
bar at the bottom where the status bar would be be bout 2" long and
width of the screen. After removing it I would have to remove chrome
file (which I have forgotten which file with SM off and the restart.


I'm using QuoteCollapse 0.8 without much of a problem (needs
compatibility checks deactivated at least for SM 2.1, though). The issue
you describe (broken MailNews status bar) sounds similar to what I found
with Mailbox Alert, though. I've contacted the author; let's see where
that leads.


I'll probably get my post taken down for this, but wouldn't it be easier
to provide a compatibility check disable in about:config that actually
WORKS instead of having some of us creating hacked xpi files and others
staying with old versions because they can't or won't?

When the SM version is > than the specified max in the install.rtf
wouldn't it be nice to have a pop-up asking something like
Your version of Seamonkey is newer than the add-on is know to support
try install anyway? [TRY] [CANCEL]

Just my ten cents worth...



That's a brilliant idea!! You can remove my post as well. :)


Why should the suggestion get you thrown off. The most they could say 
your crazier than a Betsy bug! (Old saying in my area.)


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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[Bill Davidsen]

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Please don't improve the user interface, the reason I like it is that I
don't have to learn all new keystrokes and methods every 4-6 months.


The improve, is in all aspects, we don't intend to break your
experiences/learned habits there where possible. But don't fear I don't
see anyone working on *anything* substantial there at the moment anyway.

That's very good news, because it is great for doing simple pages which work for 
the simple people who still run IR6 or (shudder) Mosaic. It's easy to use, text, 
images and tables are fine for documentation and email.



But there have been lots of web additions/features/etc. added to the Web
Platform since Composer was first made, so it does need some updating to
stay relevant.

There have been lots of neat complex tools written to generate all that stuff, 
too. They are the tools of professional web designers, communications 
specialists, etc. I have two such in my family, and you would need a huge team 
to do the tools they use. You also need to have a ton of browser sniffing, 
because the composer we have generates code which works for Gecko, Chrome, and a 
few others, while IE6 thru IE8 display it all wrong.


Let it remain irrelevant, SM lacks resources to do all the things desired in the 
heavily used bits, and composer is useful as is, what it does it does well, IMHO.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[PhillipJones]

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 10:37, Rufus told the world:


Seriously - I don't care what goes on under the hood. If I can browse
with it on an iPad, it is a "full browser" to/for me. If Apple wants
you to use their rendering engine, then that's just less code you have
to write. The fact that it works differently on a different OS is of no
consequence to me - that's the nature of any platform.


You are entirely missing the point of the Mozilla ecosystem and the
rebirth of browser development. Ten years ago, there were so-called
alternative browsers for Windows that used the preloaded Trident engine
(the one in IE). The thing is, they were as slow as IE, had the same
rendering bugs as IE, the same security vulnerabilities as IE. If
Microsoft had been able back then to forbid Opera and Netscape/Mozilla
from installing alternative browser engines, we would be still stagnated
with prettier versions of IE 6 (they had in fact disbanded the Trident
development team). Meaning: slow Javascript, buggy implementation, poor
extension ecosystem...

Apple is already growing too comfortable with their effective monopoly
of browser engines in iOS: Safari development has been lagging behind
other browsers, despite sharing a lot of code with Chrome.



SM is given away for free...build it for iOS, charge 99 cents, and I
think folks would pay that. But if you're not even up to taking a
chance in the first place, then that your issue - not Apple's.


The point is: you *can't.* Seamonkey is Gecko-based. EVERYTHING in it is
based on Gecko -- the extensions environment, the whole thing. Apple
won't allow Gecko in the App Store.


So?..big deal. All depends on what you're after. Personally, I'd go
through the App Store on an iOS browser like other are doing.


If it's based on Safari, it won't be Seamonkey. To develop a Gecko
browser, it would be restricted to jailbroken devices. There's simply
not enough users, not enough developer interest to do it. If there was
interest, somebody would be doing it -- Mozilla is fully free software,
after all.



You do know Apple is now selling Unlocked iPhones Just announced last week.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Bill Davidsen]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I tried QuoteCollase several Times, and iI always ended up with a wide
bar at the bottom where the status bar would be be bout 2" long and
width of the screen. After removing it I would have to remove chrome
file (which I have forgotten which file with SM off and the restart.


I'm using QuoteCollapse 0.8 without much of a problem (needs
compatibility checks deactivated at least for SM 2.1, though). The issue
you describe (broken MailNews status bar) sounds similar to what I found
with Mailbox Alert, though. I've contacted the author; let's see where
that leads.


I'll probably get my post taken down for this, but wouldn't it be easier to 
provide a compatibility check disable in about:config that actually WORKS 
instead of having some of us creating hacked xpi files and others staying with 
old versions because they can't or won't?


When the SM version is > than the specified max in the install.rtf wouldn't it 
be nice to have a pop-up asking something like

  Your version of Seamonkey is newer than the add-on is know to support
try install anyway? [TRY]  [CANCEL]

Just my ten cents worth...


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Re: [Linux Mint 11 / Ubuntu 11.04 / SM 2.1] Frequent Black Screens

[Rob Lindauer]

Bill Davidsen wrote:


Yes. Are you running GNOME or the new Unity (IIRC) window manager on
Ubuntu? I have a vast distrust of all those WM which require accelerated
video cards, since firmware sometimes gets updates in the middle of a
production run and may behave differently.

Same question for MINT, does it by chance use GNOME3?

I have Ubuntu running on a VM, using GNOME, unfortunately MINT and SuSE
are downloaded and in the someday queue, so I can't really test
carefully. I didn't see any issues with SM in Ubuntu under GNOME, so
that's a half of a data point.



Yes, Linux Mint 11 uses Gnome 3.

Before installing SM 2.1, I was running SM 2.0.x on LM 11 without trouble.

I may just reinstall LM and see if I have the same black screen problem 
"out of the box" - if so, the cause is probably something else entirely.


Thanks, Rob L
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Glen]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I tried QuoteCollase several Times, and iI always ended up with a wide
bar at the bottom where the status bar would be be bout 2" long and
width of the screen. After removing it I would have to remove chrome
file (which I have forgotten which file with SM off and the restart.


I'm using QuoteCollapse 0.8 without much of a problem (needs
compatibility checks deactivated at least for SM 2.1, though). The issue
you describe (broken MailNews status bar) sounds similar to what I found
with Mailbox Alert, though. I've contacted the author; let's see where
that leads.


I'll probably get my post taken down for this, but wouldn't it be easier
to provide a compatibility check disable in about:config that actually
WORKS instead of having some of us creating hacked xpi files and others
staying with old versions because they can't or won't?

When the SM version is > than the specified max in the install.rtf
wouldn't it be nice to have a pop-up asking something like
Your version of Seamonkey is newer than the add-on is know to support
try install anyway? [TRY] [CANCEL]

Just my ten cents worth...



That's a brilliant idea!! You can remove my post as well. :)
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Re: ZOOM

[km]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/17/11 7:44 PM, km wrote:

... i am visually impaired and MUST
use text zoom extensively. is there
   anyway to preset the zoom???

b


... thx!!!

k


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Bill Davidsen]

PhillipJones wrote:


I have QuoteCollapse which does both colors and collapses long quoted
sections so I can read the most recent (current) comments. And expand
the quotes if needed, of course.


I tried QuoteCollase several Times, and iI always ended up with a wide
bar at the bottom where the status bar would be be bout 2" long and
width of the screen. After removing it I would have to remove chrome
file (which I have forgotten which file with SM off and the restart.

I can only say that the version I have works on 2.0.14, and I'm really happy to 
have it. I will try an install on 2.1 as I upgrade something.


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Re: What is Seamonkey 2.4a and why the version jump?

[Bill Davidsen]

Robert Kaiser wrote:
I have gotten two "more than you asked" responses this week, and I didn't even 
ask a question on this one. Saved for a future decision on whether this is an 
established procedure in six months or still a lofty goal.



Every 6 weeks, the code will be shifted from Nightly to Aurora, Aurora
to Beta, and Beta to Release. The next such "uplift" is coming on July
5. Only the most recent release is being maintained for security until
the next one comes 6 weeks later.


And out local government is celebrating the uplift, they are having fireworks 
the night before. ;-)


On a note of experience, avoid getting roped into working the entire three day 
weekend to "get ready," organizations tend to do that.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[Rick Merrill]

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 10:37, Rufus told the world:


Seriously - I don't care what goes on under the hood. If I can browse
with it on an iPad, it is a "full browser" to/for me. If Apple wants
you to use their rendering engine, then that's just less code you have
to write. The fact that it works differently on a different OS is of no
consequence to me - that's the nature of any platform.


You are entirely missing the point of the Mozilla ecosystem and the
rebirth of browser development. Ten years ago, there were so-called
alternative browsers for Windows that used the preloaded Trident engine
(the one in IE). The thing is, they were as slow as IE, had the same
rendering bugs as IE, the same security vulnerabilities as IE. If
Microsoft had been able back then to forbid Opera and Netscape/Mozilla
from installing alternative browser engines, we would be still stagnated
with prettier versions of IE 6 (they had in fact disbanded the Trident
development team). Meaning: slow Javascript, buggy implementation, poor
extension ecosystem...

Apple is already growing too comfortable with their effective monopoly
of browser engines in iOS: Safari development has been lagging behind
other browsers, despite sharing a lot of code with Chrome.



SM is given away for free...build it for iOS, charge 99 cents, and I
think folks would pay that. But if you're not even up to taking a
chance in the first place, then that your issue - not Apple's.


The point is: you *can't.* Seamonkey is Gecko-based. EVERYTHING in it is
based on Gecko -- the extensions environment, the whole thing. Apple
won't allow Gecko in the App Store.


So?..big deal. All depends on what you're after. Personally, I'd go
through the App Store on an iOS browser like other are doing.


If it's based on Safari, it won't be Seamonkey. To develop a Gecko
browser, it would be restricted to jailbroken devices. There's simply
not enough users, not enough developer interest to do it. If there was
interest, somebody would be doing it -- Mozilla is fully free software,
after all.




Ah, but Google has introduced hardware based on Chrome ...


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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 10:37, Rufus told the world:


Seriously - I don't care what goes on under the hood.  If I can browse
with it on an iPad, it is a "full browser" to/for me.  If Apple wants
you to use their rendering engine, then that's just less code you have
to write.  The fact that it works differently on a different OS is of no
consequence to me - that's the nature of any platform.


You are entirely missing the point of the Mozilla ecosystem and the 
rebirth of browser development. Ten years ago, there were so-called 
alternative browsers for Windows that used the preloaded Trident engine 
(the one in IE). The thing is, they were as slow as IE, had the same 
rendering bugs as IE, the same security vulnerabilities as IE. If 
Microsoft had been able back then to forbid Opera and Netscape/Mozilla 
from installing alternative browser engines, we would be still stagnated 
with prettier versions of IE 6 (they had in fact disbanded the Trident 
development team). Meaning: slow Javascript, buggy implementation, poor 
extension ecosystem...


Apple is already growing too comfortable with their effective monopoly 
of browser engines in iOS: Safari development has been lagging behind 
other browsers, despite sharing a lot of code with Chrome.




SM is given away for free...build it for iOS, charge 99 cents, and I
think folks would pay that.  But if you're not even up to taking a
chance in the first place, then that your issue - not Apple's.


The point is: you *can't.* Seamonkey is Gecko-based. EVERYTHING in it is 
based on Gecko -- the extensions environment, the whole thing. Apple 
won't allow Gecko in the App Store.



So?..big deal.  All depends on what you're after.  Personally, I'd go
through the App Store on an iOS browser like other are doing.


If it's based on Safari, it won't be Seamonkey. To develop a Gecko 
browser, it would be restricted to jailbroken devices. There's simply 
not enough users, not enough developer interest to do it. If there was 
interest, somebody would be doing it -- Mozilla is fully free software, 
after all.



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Re: A stupid underlined thread

[Ray_Net]

Rick Merrill wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Some times a see some thread being underlined ... but did not contain
any un-readed post.

Is it a problem with SM or the server "news.mozilla.org" owning
"mozilla.support.seamonkey" ?

This situation is ennoying.


Hey, Ray, sound to me like you've now got the same problem I complained
about here in the message "Missing messages" on about 30th May. Note
I've removed the image who's address I posted.

I didn't get any replies, so, if I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath.


I think that there is no missing messages.
New posts are present as unreaded.
But some thread by the underline says: Hé, see inside my thread, there
is some message unreaded. But there is no such messages in the thread
and i beleive that there should be no such messages. Only the undelined
status is wrong.


Do you have any message filters active?

Is it possible that there Was an unread message but your filter made it
disappear?

No filter ... but i beleibe that the problem is on the server 
"news.mozilla.org" for the group server "news.mozilla.org" because the 
day after he want to download a huge amount of messages - after 
answering NO i did not want any download followed by the opening then 
collapsing the offended threads all goes well.

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Re: Weird MySQL error

[NoOp]

On 06/17/2011 11:51 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
...
>>> You could try spoofing your UA to something that won't say 'netbook'
>>> too, to give him a better clue.
>> 
>> His UA shows:
>> 
>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US;
>>  rv:1.9.1.19) Gecko/20110420 not Firefox/3.6 SeaMonkey/2.0.5,
>>  Firefox/3.0
>> 
>> Very odd. The 'not Firefox/3.6' would be OK, but the ", Firefox/3.0"
>> shouldn't be there.
> 
> Seems that way. The sniffer looks for "firefox".
> 
> By the way, doc says it is 'like Facebook.'  It is *so* like Facebook
> that they even purloin Facebook's browser sniffer!!
> From the faithout.com main page, it calls up this:
> http://connect.facebook.net/en_US/all.js
> 
> His error is still a server error, though.
> 

Oh, fully agree that it's a server error. I was actually only responding
the the 'spoofing your UA' part... sorry I should have snipped properly.

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Re: Weird MySQL error

[d...@kd4e.com]

Seems that way. The sniffer looks for "firefox".

By the way, doc says it is 'like Facebook.'  It is *so* like Facebook
that they even purloin Facebook's browser sniffer!!

From the faithout.com main page, it calls up this:

http://connect.facebook.net/en_US/all.js

His error is still a server error, though.


It appears that that system has been abandoned - perhaps in 2009.
Sigh.

I think maybe I will create something using Joomla! 1.6

SiteGround.com has a good hosting service with lots of Joomla!
support.

Thanks!


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Re: bell on closing

[Ed Mullen]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Rick Merrill wrote:


new feature or not, I appreciate the "bell" when
SeaMonkey fully closes, having removed deleted emails, etc.

What else has it finished doing?


Emptied the cache, cleared your private data (if you have set it to do
these things)...



Processed prefs.js and the various sqlite databases as well. Probably 
also backed up the bookmarks.  Maybe did a bookmarks Sync if the user 
has that running.


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Re: Weird MySQL error

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

NoOp wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> d...@kd4e.com wrote:
>>> Linux - Puppy - dpup009 - Seamonkey 2.0.14 - laptop/notebook
>>> 
>>> At the http://www.faithout.com/ site (a Christian-friendly
>>> alternative to Facebook) I went to post a reply on their Discussion
>>> Board and received the following error: 
>>> 
>>> "You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that
>>> corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to
>>> use near 's optimized for use on Netbooks but works on desktops and
>>> laptops/notebooks as w' at line 2" 
>>> 
>>> Any ideas, please?
>> 
>> I'd suggest writing to the author of the page. It's a server error;
>> nothing to do with your browser. 
>> 
>> You could try spoofing your UA to something that won't say 'netbook'
>> too, to give him a better clue.
> 
> His UA shows:
> 
> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US;
>   rv:1.9.1.19) Gecko/20110420 not Firefox/3.6 SeaMonkey/2.0.5,
>   Firefox/3.0
> 
> Very odd. The 'not Firefox/3.6' would be OK, but the ", Firefox/3.0"
> shouldn't be there.

Seems that way. The sniffer looks for "firefox".

By the way, doc says it is 'like Facebook.'  It is *so* like Facebook
that they even purloin Facebook's browser sniffer!!
>From the faithout.com main page, it calls up this:
http://connect.facebook.net/en_US/all.js

His error is still a server error, though.

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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[Rufus]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Rufus schrieb:

It's not really a case of Apple "not allowing it" - it's more a case of
developers embracing, stepping up, and coding. There are a number of
alternative browsers for iPad, the most popular (I can see why) being
the Atomic browser - somewhat SM-like, and far more feature-rich than
Safari on iOS.


None of them is a browser by itself. Apple does NOT allow ANY software
in their store that competes with some software they are providing with
the device theirselves. All those "alternatives" are just Safari with a
different "costume", i.e. some other user interface around it.



...I dunno.  I guess we're arguing coding semantics.  Atomic is 
certainly a "browser" to me, because it browses.  And it's functionality 
and feature set are vastly different from Safari, it certainly competes 
with Safari, I got it from the Apple App Store for 99 cents...and there 
are others there.  So I don't buy your premise one bit as stated.


Yes, it's platform-specific and uses some platform specific code, but so 
do a whole host of other software.  I don't have an issue with that from 
any standpoint.



But again, the way iOS works I find *far* less utility in the suite
concept when working on my iPad


Well, I'm reasonably sure that communication methods that don't run
inside the browser will be mostly dying out in the next years. But then,
that's just my opinion.

Robert Kaiser




The iPad is certainly the first device I've bought in a very long time 
that is actually changing the way I work.  I'm sort of dubious about the 
approaching Lion OS...I'm not sure I'm going to like some of it's more 
"iOS-like" implementations on my desktop, but then again I'm not sure I 
won't.  Everything changes...what matters more is still being able to 
make choices which suits the individual user.  More products, more better.


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Re: Weird MySQL error

[NoOp]

On 06/17/2011 10:40 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> d...@kd4e.com wrote:
> 
>> Linux - Puppy - dpup009 - Seamonkey 2.0.14 - laptop/notebook
>> 
>> At the http://www.faithout.com/ site (a Christian-friendly alternative
>> to Facebook) I went to post a reply on their Discussion Board and
>> received the following error: 
>> 
>> "You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that
>> corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use
>> near 's optimized for use on Netbooks but works on desktops and
>> laptops/notebooks as w' at line 2"
>> 
>> Any ideas, please?
> 
> I'd suggest writing to the author of the page. It's a server error;
> nothing to do with your browser.
> 
> You could try spoofing your UA to something that won't say 'netbook'
> too, to give him a better clue.
> 

His UA shows:

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US;
rv:1.9.1.19) Gecko/20110420 not Firefox/3.6 SeaMonkey/2.0.5,
Firefox/3.0

Very odd. The 'not Firefox/3.6' would be OK, but the ", Firefox/3.0"
shouldn't be there.


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Re: bell on closing

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Rick Merrill wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Rick Merrill wrote:


new feature or not, I appreciate the "bell" when
SeaMonkey fully closes, having removed deleted emails, etc.

What else has it finished doing?


Emptied the cache,


I didn't know that happened on exit, did it, in SM 2.0.14?


Far's I know, but I can't prove it. Maybe the experts can...

BTW, you didn't mention a version number -- did you mean 2.1?

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Re: Weird MySQL error

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

d...@kd4e.com wrote:

> Linux - Puppy - dpup009 - Seamonkey 2.0.14 - laptop/notebook
> 
> At the http://www.faithout.com/ site (a Christian-friendly alternative
> to Facebook) I went to post a reply on their Discussion Board and
> received the following error: 
> 
> "You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that
> corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use
> near 's optimized for use on Netbooks but works on desktops and
> laptops/notebooks as w' at line 2"
> 
> Any ideas, please?

I'd suggest writing to the author of the page. It's a server error;
nothing to do with your browser.

You could try spoofing your UA to something that won't say 'netbook'
too, to give him a better clue.

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Re: WebGL [was: When 2.1?]

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

WLS wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/12/11 5:36 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/12/11 4:55 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote:

WLS schrieb:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

WLS schrieb:

Is WebGL going to be disabled by default or is that something we
will
need to do in about:config?


Why should it?


Because of the security threat.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/11/chrome_firefox_security_threat/



None of that is a real security threat that requires immediate action,
from all I know and heard (and I'm in Mozilla's security group). This
looks very much like some "investigator" trying to gather massive media
attention in his favor without a really good backing. Both "threats"
are
low-impact concerns that we will look into but require no immediate
action. There will be a Mozilla blog post on this topic very soon.

Media is making every fly into an elephant if they think they can "sell
a scandal".

Robert Kaiser



US-CERT, an agency within the U.S. Department of Homeland Security,
gives credence to this threat. See
.



According to Slashdot, Micro$oft will not implement WebGL because of
security concerns. See
.



Of course, the concern might really be the cost of implementing it
correctly.



Seems to be a security, memory stealing issue to Mozilla now.

http://blog.mozilla.com/security/2011/06/16/webgl-graphics-memory-stealing-issue/


Fixed in Firefox 5.



That is an entirely different issue.

Sadly its also a factor in SeaMonkey 2.1 [reminds me to write a blog 
post myself]


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Re: WebGL [was: When 2.1?]

[Philip Chee]

On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:56:22 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 5/12/11 5:36 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 5/12/11 4:55 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
>>> WLS schrieb:
 Robert Kaiser wrote:
> WLS schrieb:
>> Is WebGL going to be disabled by default or is that something we will
>> need to do in about:config?
>
> Why should it?

 Because of the security threat.

 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/11/chrome_firefox_security_threat/
>>>
>>> None of that is a real security threat that requires immediate action, 
>>> from all I know and heard (and I'm in Mozilla's security group). This 
>>> looks very much like some "investigator" trying to gather massive media 
>>> attention in his favor without a really good backing. Both "threats" are 
>>> low-impact concerns that we will look into but require no immediate 
>>> action. There will be a Mozilla blog post on this topic very soon.
>>>
>>> Media is making every fly into an elephant if they think they can "sell 
>>> a scandal".
>>>
>>> Robert Kaiser
>>>
>> 
>> US-CERT, an agency within the U.S. Department of Homeland Security,
>> gives credence to this threat.  See
>> .
>> 
> 
> According to Slashdot, Micro$oft will not implement WebGL because of
> security concerns.  See
> .
> 
> 
> Of course, the concern might really be the cost of implementing it
> correctly.

A devastating counterpoint to Microsoft:



Phil

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Re: bell on closing

[Rick Merrill]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Rick Merrill wrote:


new feature or not, I appreciate the "bell" when
SeaMonkey fully closes, having removed deleted emails, etc.

What else has it finished doing?


Emptied the cache,


I didn't know that happened on exit, did it, in SM 2.0.14?



cleared your private data (if you have set it to do
these things)...



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Weird MySQL error

[d...@kd4e.com]

Linux - Puppy - dpup009 - Seamonkey 2.0.14 - laptop/notebook

At the http://www.faithout.com/ site (a Christian-friendly
alternative to Facebook) I went to post a reply on their
Discussion Board and received the following error:

"You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds 
to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 's 
optimized for use on Netbooks but works on desktops and 
laptops/notebooks as w' at line 2"


Any ideas, please?

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Re: bell on closing

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Rick Merrill wrote:


new feature or not, I appreciate the "bell" when
SeaMonkey fully closes, having removed deleted emails, etc.

What else has it finished doing?


Emptied the cache, cleared your private data (if you have set it to do 
these things)...


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Re: WebGL [was: When 2.1?]

[WLS]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/12/11 5:36 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/12/11 4:55 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote:

WLS schrieb:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

WLS schrieb:

Is WebGL going to be disabled by default or is that something we will
need to do in about:config?


Why should it?


Because of the security threat.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/11/chrome_firefox_security_threat/


None of that is a real security threat that requires immediate action,
from all I know and heard (and I'm in Mozilla's security group). This
looks very much like some "investigator" trying to gather massive media
attention in his favor without a really good backing. Both "threats" are
low-impact concerns that we will look into but require no immediate
action. There will be a Mozilla blog post on this topic very soon.

Media is making every fly into an elephant if they think they can "sell
a scandal".

Robert Kaiser



US-CERT, an agency within the U.S. Department of Homeland Security,
gives credence to this threat.  See
.



According to Slashdot, Micro$oft will not implement WebGL because of
security concerns.  See
.


Of course, the concern might really be the cost of implementing it
correctly.



Seems to be a security, memory stealing issue to Mozilla now.

http://blog.mozilla.com/security/2011/06/16/webgl-graphics-memory-stealing-issue/

Fixed in Firefox 5.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[Robert Kaiser]

Rufus schrieb:

It's not really a case of Apple "not allowing it" - it's more a case of
developers embracing, stepping up, and coding. There are a number of
alternative browsers for iPad, the most popular (I can see why) being
the Atomic browser - somewhat SM-like, and far more feature-rich than
Safari on iOS.


None of them is a browser by itself. Apple does NOT allow ANY software 
in their store that competes with some software they are providing with 
the device theirselves. All those "alternatives" are just Safari with a 
different "costume", i.e. some other user interface around it.



But again, the way iOS works I find *far* less utility in the suite
concept when working on my iPad


Well, I'm reasonably sure that communication methods that don't run 
inside the browser will be mostly dying out in the next years. But then, 
that's just my opinion.


Robert Kaiser


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Re: SM 2.1 Password Manager

[NoOp]

On 06/16/2011 07:41 PM, NoOp wrote:
> On 06/16/2011 06:26 PM, Philip Chee wrote:
...
>> If it is only sometimes, then this implies a network or connectivity
>> problem.
>> 
>> Phil
>> 
> 
> I thought of that. However, as mentioned when the popup occurs & when I
> follow through, the password *is* correct and already entered in the
> popup screen, however the remember/save is unchecked. I'll try to get a
> screenshot of it next time, but that indicates to me that is it a client
> issue rather than a network or connectivity problem.

Here is a screenshot.



As you can see, the password is already filled  in (and shows properly
when I open Tools|Password Manager. Note however that 'Use Password
Manager to remember this password' is unchecked. I just check it and
click OK & I'm good.

Also note that it seems to happen randomly on each of my accounts, i.e.,
it's not the same account each time.
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Re: WebGL [was: When 2.1?]

[Robert Kaiser]

David E. Ross schrieb:

Of course, the concern might really be the cost of implementing it
correctly.


That's one thing. The other is that every new technology has some 
security concerns at the beginning, and they will only be solved if the 
technology gets into mainstream products and security researchers look 
at it. And that's what is happening with WebGL right now, which is good.


For an amusing take on Microsoft's statement, read this: 
http://muizelaar.blogspot.com/2011/06/webgl-considered-harmful.html


Robert Kaiser


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WebGL [was: When 2.1?]

[David E. Ross]

On 5/12/11 5:36 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 5/12/11 4:55 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
>> WLS schrieb:
>>> Robert Kaiser wrote:
 WLS schrieb:
> Is WebGL going to be disabled by default or is that something we will
> need to do in about:config?

 Why should it?
>>>
>>> Because of the security threat.
>>>
>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/11/chrome_firefox_security_threat/
>>
>> None of that is a real security threat that requires immediate action, 
>> from all I know and heard (and I'm in Mozilla's security group). This 
>> looks very much like some "investigator" trying to gather massive media 
>> attention in his favor without a really good backing. Both "threats" are 
>> low-impact concerns that we will look into but require no immediate 
>> action. There will be a Mozilla blog post on this topic very soon.
>>
>> Media is making every fly into an elephant if they think they can "sell 
>> a scandal".
>>
>> Robert Kaiser
>>
> 
> US-CERT, an agency within the U.S. Department of Homeland Security,
> gives credence to this threat.  See
> .
> 

According to Slashdot, Micro$oft will not implement WebGL because of
security concerns.  See
.


Of course, the concern might really be the cost of implementing it
correctly.

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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[Rufus]

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 16/06/2011 22:44, Rufus told the world:


That's simply not true. I have the Atomic browser installed on my iPad
and like it...and there are others.


Atomic is not a full browser either. It does not include its own
rendering engine, but uses the iOS Safari one. Essentially, it's Safari
with a different skin.



I think you need to look again.  Not only does Atomic work and get the 
job done, it also does tabs.  Safari does not do tabs on the iPad.



Let me repeat: Apple does not allow another rendering engine on iOS. You
won't get a Gecko browser, like Firefox or Seamonkey, there. You won't
even get a different spin of Webkit, such as Google Chrome.



Seriously - I don't care what goes on under the hood.  If I can browse 
with it on an iPad, it is a "full browser" to/for me.  If Apple wants 
you to use their rendering engine, then that's just less code you have 
to write.  The fact that it works differently on a different OS is of no 
consequence to me - that's the nature of any platform.





Developing any sort of application which overlaps in functionality
Apple's official ones is chancy at best. You have no idea if they will
allow the app to be distributed, or if your investment is going to go
down the drain.



...as in any business venture.


Failure to make a profit because you can't convince people to pay for
your product is a normal risk. Failure to make a profit because you are
not allowed to sell your product for unclear reasons is not a normal risk.



SM is given away for free...build it for iOS, charge 99 cents, and I 
think folks would pay that.  But if you're not even up to taking a 
chance in the first place, then that your issue - not Apple's.





Yes. But there are alternatives to distribution other than the App
Store...it would take some thinking, but I can see a way.


Only for jailbroken devices, which are a minority.



So?..big deal.  All depends on what you're after.  Personally, I'd go 
through the App Store on an iOS browser like other are doing.


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Re: High CPU usage

[David Wilkinson]

David Wilkinson wrote:

Using SM2 on Windows 7 x64 (and other Windows machines).

I have found many discussions of high CPU usage in FireFox and
SeaMonkey, but none of the suggestions have ever helped in my situation.

The symptom is that SeaMonkey freezes for a few seconds, most noticeably
when scrolling a document or clicking a menu (when I expect instant
response). The problem is less severe on my new quad core machine
(Windows 7 x64) and worse on an XP virtual machine.


Although I ws not able to conclude unambiguously that mailnews was the culprit 
here, I have just cleaned up and compacted my IMAP Inbox's and SeaMonkey "seems" 
to be running much better.


Fingers crossed...

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Re: High CPU usage

[David Wilkinson]

Lee wrote:

Kind of a long-shot, but you could try Process Monitor.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/default.mspx


Thanks for that. I have found the Windows 7 Task Manager and even Resource 
Manager were not much help here.


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Re: V2.1 problem in Composer mode

[David Wilkinson]

Helene wrote:

I did not mean that developpers did not work well, only that they
priviledged the "surfing" functions at the detriment of "editing"
functions, which, to me, are the ONLY ONES that matter (I use Firefox
for JUST surfing, I use SEAMONKEY when I need to edit the pages I surf -
intranet at work)


Interestingly enough, the reason I first got into Netscape 15 years ago was that 
it had an HTML editor. But since I learned how HTML works (it's not hard) I 
don't use a WYSIWYG editor any more, so I haven't looked at Composer for years.


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bell on closing

[Rick Merrill]

new feature or not, I appreciate the "bell" when
SeaMonkey fully closes, having removed deleted emails, etc.

What else has it finished doing?
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Re: NG = newsgroup

[Rick Merrill]

Keith Whaley wrote:

Folks that have been on thes groups for a long time seem to forget
others just joining, or not running across a particular acromym, might
get confused at the various unknowns from time to time.


That is a Good reminder.


In Writing 101, it was stressed that the first time you used an acronym
in a correspondence, you spelled it out. From then on, you could use the
shortened version at will.


It is Ideal for technical writing.


The person who recently asked "What is a NG" had a perfectly valid
question, and it seems to me everybody pretty much ignored it.

The Subject line says it all. That IS the answer.


Well, almost. For some folks an "NG" may be what others call "a forum".
The former generally refers to Usenet (the way I am posting this repsonse using NTTP) 
while a "forum" typically means a hosted website (using HTTP).


Google translates one into the other, further confusing new users.

Usenet is the 'wild wild west' of the internet: generally unmoderated and has trolls, 
psychos, etc. "Forums" are usually moderated and consequently sometimes boring!-)




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SM2.1, Feeds - not able to re-subscribe after manual folder clean-up

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Hi,

I had subscribed to a Feed a few days ago via the SM2.1 internal Feed 
reader as part of the messanger.


Today, after restarting SM, I had 2 folders present, both with the same 
funny name extension, both without any content.
I checked the subscription settings - both folders contained no 
subscription.


So I deleted the first folder inside messenger. I first had to purge the 
trash, to delete the other one as well (duplicate name).

That folder re-appeared after restart of SM.
So I stopped SM, went to the profile, wiped all associated files, and 
restarted again.

(Reference:
/Users/XXX/Library/Application 
Support/SeaMonkey/Profiles/YYY.default/Mail/Feeds )


Now messenger is clean again. (No folders, no subscriptions for that feed.)

However, re-subscribing does not work - it complains "already subscribed".

I "grepped" about:config and the profile directory, no hits - where can 
I find and eliminate that reference?


Best regards
Philipp
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