Re: ADS :Zone.Identifier$DATA

[chokito]

Why will SM 2.33.1 (and newer ?) not set the ADS :Zone.Identifier$DATA stream 
to any downloaded file, see picture in Link-2? In FF 38.0.5 it works fine.
The flag will always set if I download from a link in the addressbar with 
Shift+Enter!
When I download with the context menu 'Save Link Target As...' the flag will 
not set.
Link-1: 
http://airdownload.adobe.com/air/win/download/latest/AdobeAIRInstaller.exe
Link-2: http://blog.case.edu/bes7/2008/04/22/props.png

Regards Urs

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/36.0 
SeaMonkey/2.33.1
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Re: ADS :Zone.Identifier$DATA

[chokito]

Why will SM 2.33.1 (and newer ?) not set the ADS :Zone.Identifier$DATA stream 
to any 
downloaded file, see picture in Link-2? In FF 38.0.5 it works fine.

The flag will always set if I download from a link in the address bar with 
Shift+Enter!

When I download the 'Link-1' with the context menu 'Save Link Target As...' the 
flag will not set.

Link-1: 
http://airdownload.adobe.com/air/win/download/latest/AdobeAIRInstaller.exe

Link-2: http://blog.case.edu/bes7/2008/04/22/props.png

Regards Urs

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/36.0 
SeaMonkey/2.33.1
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Re: Contributed Win32 trunk builds - Version Number 2.35

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Hi,

I am a little worried concerning the version numbers if the builds. I 
see User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/38.0 SeaMonkey/2.35

Build 20150616034436

Shouldn't that be a 2.35a0 or similar instead of 2.35, what looks so "ready"

Best regards

Rainer
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Re: Contributed Win32 trunk builds

[WaltS48]

On 06/18/2015 02:44 AM, Mason83 wrote:

On 17/06/2015 20:56, WaltS48 wrote:


[1151448 – Cross-posts won't send because Newsgroups: groups are
separated with comma+space, not just comma]
(https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1151448)


At some point, each new feature will introduce a regression,
and development will remain at a stand-still.

Sad to see Mozilla wither away like this :-(

Regards.



Sad to say I failed to report the bug when I noticed it in Thunderbird 
38.0a1, waited until 38.0b1 was out to report it, and discovered it was 
not fixed by bug 1143569 [1] in 38.0b6.


Lesson learned. File bugs when you find them.

[1] [1143569 – User-agent error when posting to NNTP due to RFC5536 
violation of Tb (user-agent header is folded just after user-agent:, 
"user-agent:[CRLF][SP]Mozilla...")](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1143569)


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seamonkey obsolete?

[Bill DeCoster]

I find myself needing to use IE other programs more and more because of 
issues with it. What's the point if nothing works?

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windows-10-upgrade ??

[Mike C]

Have any of you done this Win 10 reservation?
Do you think it's something we should do (or is it a gimmick)?

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-upgrade

Mike C
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Re: windows-10-upgrade ??

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Mike C wrote:


Have any of you done this Win 10 reservation?
Do you think it's something we should do (or is it a gimmick)?




From what I understand, you have until July 29 of next year to accept 
the freebie. So I'm in no hurry -- let others do the beta testing, and 
make a decision after things have settled down.


I did install the tray icon that enables me to make the reservation, but 
I haven't made the reservation. I hid the icon, but it periodically 
reappears and has to be rehidden. If it's annoying enough, I'll 
uninstall it, but so far it's pretty innocuous.


This is off-topic here, so I expect one of the mods will discourage this 
thread pretty soon.


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Re: seamonkey obsolete?

[EE]

Bill DeCoster wrote:

I find myself needing to use IE other programs more and more because of
issues with it. What's the point if nothing works?


It might help if you explained what the problem is.  I am not having 
problems with SeaMonkey.


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Re: seamonkey obsolete?

[Miles Fidelman]

EE wrote:

Bill DeCoster wrote:

I find myself needing to use IE other programs more and more because of
issues with it. What's the point if nothing works?


It might help if you explained what the problem is.  I am not having 
problems with SeaMonkey.




Well, speaking personally:
- an awful lot of web pages take forever to load, and a slow page load 
freezes the entire program  - I have to force quit the browser at least 
1 or 2 times a day, and look at pages in something else
- features seem to break from release to release (security exceptions 
for IMAP servers w/ private certificates, sync seems to have stopped 
working of late - to name just two)
- seems to be getting worse with each subsequent release (which makes 
one wonder about the point of frequent releases)


Miles Fidelman

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Re: seamonkey obsolete?

[Richard Owlett]

Miles Fidelman wrote:

EE wrote:

Bill DeCoster wrote:

I find myself needing to use IE other programs more and more
because of
issues with it. What's the point if nothing works?


It might help if you explained what the problem is.  I am not
having problems with SeaMonkey.



Well, speaking personally:
- an awful lot of web pages take forever to load, and a slow page
load freezes the entire program  - I have to force quit the
browser at least 1 or 2 times a day, and look at pages in
something else
- features seem to break from release to release (security
exceptions for IMAP servers w/ private certificates, sync seems
to have stopped working of late - to name just two)
- seems to be getting worse with each subsequent release (which
makes one wonder about the point of frequent releases)

Miles Fidelman



I find it informative to submit offending pages to 
http://validator.w3.org/ .


My personal experience has been that such pages have multiple errors.

YMMV


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Re: seamonkey obsolete?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Miles Fidelman wrote:


Well, speaking personally:
- an awful lot of web pages take forever to load, and a slow page
load freezes the entire program  - I have to force quit the browser
at least 1 or 2 times a day, and look at pages in something else


This isn't my experience at all, though that might be because I have a 
fast connection (50 MB/min both ways).


On the rare occasions (once a week or so) that a page loads slowly, 
clearing cache and cookies usually solves it, and it doesn't, disabling 
AdBlock Plus does. Poorly coded sites, as noted elsewhere in this 
thread, are not SeaMonkey's fault, though of course since they usually 
use noncompliant code designed for Internet Exploiter, they run fine on IE.



- features seem to break from release to release (security exceptions
for IMAP servers w/ private certificates, sync seems to have stopped
working of late - to name just two)


Unfortunately, I can't address that because a) I don't remember the last 
time a feature I cared about broke, and b) the broken features people 
complain about here are ones that I don't use.


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Re: Seamonkey unresponsive

[Rodney Sampson]

Any ideas here ?
Trying to determine what events send SM into a spin.
I have several windows dump files from various
  percentages of CPU load.
There are also times when I start in safe mode, it just sits there
  the UI is dead and may only display the account level, sometimes
  the folders show up, but no navigation is possible.
 Still trying to locate debug logging info and how to start it...
 Apparently the command line flag is for a developer to step thru the code
  it only starts a DOS window,

Thanks
Rodney Sampson


Rodney Sampson wrote:

Lee:
  Where might the config.txt be buried on a Windows 7 machine ?
  Proxy helped a little..
Thanks
Rodney

Lee wrote:

On 6/15/15, Rodney Sampson  wrote:

O/S: Win 7 Pro w/ 8gb Ram.
I have 3 profiles and it happens on all 3
Straight text works fine, there's something in the mails with embedded
images.
I've booted, cleaned and defragged , after it freezes, I can restart 
and

sometimes
   view the mail it got stuck on.
It would be helpful if there was a log of loading (websites) so I 
could see

if there's  something in common.

If SeaMonkey is locking up an addon to show that URLs are referenced
probably won't work, so use an external proxy.  I like Privoxy:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ijbswa/files/Win32/3.0.23%20%28stable%29/
logging is disabled by default, so all the following to config.txt
logdir c:\temp
logfile privoxy.log
debug 1 # Log the destination for each request Privoxy let
through. See also debug 1024.
debug  1024 # Log the destination for requests Privoxy didn't let
through, and the reason why.
debug  4096 # Startup banner and warnings
debug  8192 # Non-fatal errors

and you can try enabling some/all of the following
#  == verbose: normally OFF
# debug8 # show header parsing - helpful but verbose
# debug   16 # log all data
# debug 32768 # show received data


and remember to 'mkdir \temp'


If you haven't heard of Process Monitor it might be worth a try:
   Process Monitor is an advanced monitoring tool for Windows that
shows real-time
   file system, Registry and process/thread activity.
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896645.aspx

same with Process Explorer
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx

Regards,
Lee




Thanks
Rodney

Rodney Sampson wrote:


All:
 Is there logging mechanism that I can turn on to try to locate my
issues ?
Thanks

Rodney Sampson wrote:

All:
 I've sent in a couple of dump files to the list from the aborts.
 Types of events noticed:
   Hard CPU loop > 60% of processor.
   Keyboard lockup when SM is active window.
   Total SM abort , dump files sent, one has my email to 
respond

to...
   I have a current Windows dump take when keyboard lockup 
occurred.

(send to whom 102Mb)
  Any ideas on how to resolve this issue ?
Thanks
Rodney

First what operating system are you using?
Second, if you can, have you tried to make a new user profile?
Thirdly, I suspect you have attempted to reboot your computer? This can
often solve strange computer behavior.

Can you log into your computer as another user and launch Seamonky as
another user?

Don't know what else to suggest.

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Re: seamonkey obsolete?

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Bill DeCoster wrote:

I find myself needing to use IE other programs more and more because of issues 
with it.
What's the point if nothing works?


??
Mine works perfectly.
I never have a problem with it.
SM 2.26.1
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Re: windows-10-upgrade ??

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Mike C wrote:

Have any of you done this Win 10 reservation?
Do you think it's something we should do (or is it a gimmick)?

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-upgrade

Mike C


You might want to post that at the w10 group:
alt.comp.os.windows-10

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Re: seamonkey obsolete?

[Kevin L. Hill]

On 06/18/2015 03:59 PM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:
> Bill DeCoster wrote:
>> I find myself needing to use IE other programs more and more because
>> of issues with it.
>> What's the point if nothing works?
> 
> ??
> Mine works perfectly.
> I never have a problem with it.
> SM 2.26.1

I encountered a site today that may serve as one 'real world' example.
Mega.co.nz offers end-to-end encryption for data, claiming that all
encryption/decryption is done on the local computer, not by their
servers, and that they do not possess the keys needed to decrypt the data.

On Seamonkey:  Mega.co.nz gives me the following error:

"Sorry, we were unable to initialize the browser's local storage, either
you're using an outdated browser or it's something from our side.

If you think it's our fault, please report the issue back to us.

Reason: localStorage is null
Browser: mozilla/5.0 (x11; linux x86_64; rv:36.0) gecko/20100101
firefox/36.0 seamonkey/2.33.1"

More info on "local storage in the browser" is here:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/2625216/web-browsers/html5-in-the-browser--local-data-storage.html


The page loads perfectly in Firefox:  38.0.5

Kevin Hill
Long Beach, CA


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Re: seamonkey obsolete?

[Richard Owlett]

Kevin L. Hill wrote:



On 06/18/2015 03:59 PM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Bill DeCoster wrote:

I find myself needing to use IE other programs more and more because
of issues with it.
What's the point if nothing works?


??
Mine works perfectly.
I never have a problem with it.
SM 2.26.1


I encountered a site today that may serve as one 'real world' example.
Mega.co.nz offers end-to-end encryption for data, claiming that all
encryption/decryption is done on the local computer, not by their
servers, and that they do not possess the keys needed to decrypt the data.

On Seamonkey:  Mega.co.nz gives me the following error:

"Sorry, we were unable to initialize the browser's local storage, either
you're using an outdated browser or it's something from our side.

If you think it's our fault, please report the issue back to us.

Reason: localStorage is null
Browser: mozilla/5.0 (x11; linux x86_64; rv:36.0) gecko/20100101
firefox/36.0 seamonkey/2.33.1"

More info on "local storage in the browser" is here:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/2625216/web-browsers/html5-in-the-browser--local-data-storage.html


The page loads perfectly in Firefox:  38.0.5

Kevin Hill
Long Beach, CA



https://validator.w3.org/ reports 6 errors ;/

'nuff said?

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Re: seamonkey obsolete?

[W3BNR]

On 6/18/2015 12:35 PM, Bill DeCoster wrote:
> I find myself needing to use IE other programs more and more because of issues
> with it. What's the point if nothing works?

IMHO most of the issues that you see regarding IE vs SM is not in the SM's
software.  It is in the HTML of the pages that do not work or do not display
properly in SM whilst they do work or display properly in IE.

When you find a page that works in IE but not SM, check it out at
https://validator-suite.w3.org/

If the validator shows errors, the problem you have with SM is NOT SM -
it is the coding of that page.

Contact the webmaster of that page and inform him (not that it will do and 
good).

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Re: seamonkey obsolete?

[Kevin L. Hill]

On 06/18/2015 04:26 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> Kevin L. Hill wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 06/18/2015 03:59 PM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:
>>> Bill DeCoster wrote:
 I find myself needing to use IE other programs more and more because
 of issues with it.
 What's the point if nothing works?
>>>
>>> ??
>>> Mine works perfectly.
>>> I never have a problem with it.
>>> SM 2.26.1
>>
>> I encountered a site today that may serve as one 'real world' example.
>> Mega.co.nz offers end-to-end encryption for data, claiming that all
>> encryption/decryption is done on the local computer, not by their
>> servers, and that they do not possess the keys needed to decrypt the
>> data.
>>
>> On Seamonkey:  Mega.co.nz gives me the following error:
>>
>> "Sorry, we were unable to initialize the browser's local storage, either
>> you're using an outdated browser or it's something from our side.
>>
>> If you think it's our fault, please report the issue back to us.
>>
>> Reason: localStorage is null
>> Browser: mozilla/5.0 (x11; linux x86_64; rv:36.0) gecko/20100101
>> firefox/36.0 seamonkey/2.33.1"
>>
>> More info on "local storage in the browser" is here:
>>
>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/2625216/web-browsers/html5-in-the-browser--local-data-storage.html
>>
>>
>>
>> The page loads perfectly in Firefox:  38.0.5
>>
>> Kevin Hill
>> Long Beach, CA
>>
> 
> https://validator.w3.org/ reports 6 errors ;/
> 
> 'nuff said?
> 

I can appreciate the utility of the validator site for coders.  As a
user the validator site is intimidating.  There are two options (1)
Character Encoding with approx 30 options and (2) Document Type with
nearly as many.  I can probably make a reasonable guess about Character
Encoding but Document type - one looks as good as any other.

As a user, do I really care that the validator site found 6 errors, when
it is more useful to me to load the page in Firefox and move on - just
one more site along with my bank and others that don't play nice with
Seamonkey.  The Mega site is unique in that it specifically uses the
term 'outdated' and asks for feedback.  I will report back to them the
results of the 'validator' site and see if anything happens.

Thanks for the reply.

Kevin Hill
Long Beach, CA

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Re: seamonkey obsolete?

[MCBastos]

Miles Fidelman wrote:

EE wrote:

Bill DeCoster wrote:

I find myself needing to use IE other programs more and more because of
issues with it. What's the point if nothing works?


It might help if you explained what the problem is.  I am not having
problems with SeaMonkey.



Well, speaking personally:
- an awful lot of web pages take forever to load, and a slow page load
freezes the entire program  - I have to force quit the browser at least
1 or 2 times a day, and look at pages in something else


Not my experience, despite me having a rather large number of 
extensions, and I also *know* my profile is not 100% clean and pure -- I 
identified 2 or 3 issues that don't occur in a clean profile (one of 
them being that I was unable to use newsgroups in the main profile 
without SM crashing). If there were a systemic instability, I think I 
would have noticed it, since my main profile is already pretty fragile.



- features seem to break from release to release (security exceptions
for IMAP servers w/ private certificates, sync seems to have stopped
working of late - to name just two)


It's not so much "broken" than "Firefox changed them in the shared code 
and reimplementing them in SM in the new way is a lot of work."
Take Sync: when old-style Sync was replaced by Sync2 (the one that 
requires a Firefox ID), the Firefox team removed the code from Gecko 
that allowed one to create/join a sync, but they kept the syncing co. So 
in order to establish a sync you have to temporarily downgrade to SM 
2.25. After the sync is established, you can upgrade to the current 
version and it keeps working.


I haven't been active in the group over the last few months (that 
profile problem I mentioned above), so I have no idea how is going the 
work to solve the situation.


MCBastos

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Re: seamonkey obsolete?

[Rinaldi]

Richard Owlett decreed, Read These Runes!:
> Kevin L. Hill wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 06/18/2015 03:59 PM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:
>>> Bill DeCoster wrote:
 I find myself needing to use IE other programs more and more because
 of issues with it.
 What's the point if nothing works?
>>>
>>> ??
>>> Mine works perfectly.
>>> I never have a problem with it.
>>> SM 2.26.1
>>
>> I encountered a site today that may serve as one 'real world' example.
>> Mega.co.nz offers end-to-end encryption for data, claiming that all
>> encryption/decryption is done on the local computer, not by their
>> servers, and that they do not possess the keys needed to decrypt the
>> data.
>>
>> On Seamonkey:  Mega.co.nz gives me the following error:
>>
>> "Sorry, we were unable to initialize the browser's local storage, either
>> you're using an outdated browser or it's something from our side.
>>
>> If you think it's our fault, please report the issue back to us.
>>
>> Reason: localStorage is null
>> Browser: mozilla/5.0 (x11; linux x86_64; rv:36.0) gecko/20100101
>> firefox/36.0 seamonkey/2.33.1"
>>
>> More info on "local storage in the browser" is here:
>>
>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/2625216/web-browsers/html5-in-the-browser--local-data-storage.html
>>
>>
>>
>> The page loads perfectly in Firefox:  38.0.5
>>
>> Kevin Hill
>> Long Beach, CA
>>
> 
> https://validator.w3.org/ reports 6 errors ;/
> 
> 'nuff said?
> 
But it loads perfectly here:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/2015061208
Firefox/41.0 SeaMonkey/2.38a1-rjm

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Re: Seamonkey unresponsive

[Rodney Sampson]

In case it makes a big difference, I'm on 2.33.1
Thanks

Rodney Sampson wrote:

Any ideas here ?
Trying to determine what events send SM into a spin.
I have several windows dump files from various
  percentages of CPU load.
There are also times when I start in safe mode, it just sits there
  the UI is dead and may only display the account level, sometimes
  the folders show up, but no navigation is possible.
 Still trying to locate debug logging info and how to start it...
 Apparently the command line flag is for a developer to step thru the 
code

  it only starts a DOS window,

Thanks
Rodney Sampson


Rodney Sampson wrote:

Lee:
  Where might the config.txt be buried on a Windows 7 machine ?
  Proxy helped a little..
Thanks
Rodney

Lee wrote:

On 6/15/15, Rodney Sampson  wrote:

O/S: Win 7 Pro w/ 8gb Ram.
I have 3 profiles and it happens on all 3
Straight text works fine, there's something in the mails with embedded
images.
I've booted, cleaned and defragged , after it freezes, I can 
restart and

sometimes
   view the mail it got stuck on.
It would be helpful if there was a log of loading (websites) so I 
could see

if there's  something in common.

If SeaMonkey is locking up an addon to show that URLs are referenced
probably won't work, so use an external proxy.  I like Privoxy:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ijbswa/files/Win32/3.0.23%20%28stable%29/ 


logging is disabled by default, so all the following to config.txt
logdir c:\temp
logfile privoxy.log
debug 1 # Log the destination for each request Privoxy let
through. See also debug 1024.
debug  1024 # Log the destination for requests Privoxy didn't let
through, and the reason why.
debug  4096 # Startup banner and warnings
debug  8192 # Non-fatal errors

and you can try enabling some/all of the following
#  == verbose: normally OFF
# debug8 # show header parsing - helpful but verbose
# debug   16 # log all data
# debug 32768 # show received data


and remember to 'mkdir \temp'


If you haven't heard of Process Monitor it might be worth a try:
   Process Monitor is an advanced monitoring tool for Windows that
shows real-time
   file system, Registry and process/thread activity.
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896645.aspx

same with Process Explorer
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx

Regards,
Lee




Thanks
Rodney

Rodney Sampson wrote:


All:
 Is there logging mechanism that I can turn on to try to 
locate my

issues ?
Thanks

Rodney Sampson wrote:

All:
 I've sent in a couple of dump files to the list from the 
aborts.

 Types of events noticed:
   Hard CPU loop > 60% of processor.
   Keyboard lockup when SM is active window.
   Total SM abort , dump files sent, one has my email to 
respond

to...
   I have a current Windows dump take when keyboard lockup 
occurred.

(send to whom 102Mb)
  Any ideas on how to resolve this issue ?
Thanks
Rodney

First what operating system are you using?
Second, if you can, have you tried to make a new user profile?
Thirdly, I suspect you have attempted to reboot your computer? This 
can

often solve strange computer behavior.

Can you log into your computer as another user and launch Seamonky as
another user?

Don't know what else to suggest.

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Re: windows-10-upgrade ??

[WaltS48]

On 06/18/2015 07:00 PM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Mike C wrote:

Have any of you done this Win 10 reservation?
Do you think it's something we should do (or is it a gimmick)?

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-upgrade

Mike C


You might want to post that at the w10 group:
alt.comp.os.windows-10




Well, I think he is asking SeaMonkey users if they have done the Win 10 
reservation, but somebody should cross post a reply and set followup-to 
m.general.


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Re: seamonkey obsolete?

[Adrian Kalla]

W dniu 06/19/2015 o 01:14 AM, Kevin L. Hill pisze:
> I encountered a site today that may serve as one 'real world' example.
> Mega.co.nz offers end-to-end encryption for data, claiming that all
> encryption/decryption is done on the local computer, not by their
> servers, and that they do not possess the keys needed to decrypt the data.
> 
> On Seamonkey:  Mega.co.nz gives me the following error:
> 
> "Sorry, we were unable to initialize the browser's local storage, either
> you're using an outdated browser or it's something from our side.


No problem here with SM 2.36.

In 99% of the cases, if something is not working right with SeaMonkey,
the reason is the same like when something is not working right with
Firefox: a faulty extension.
So , in case of problems: first test, if the problem also appears when
running in Safe Mode - and only if it does, then it may be SeaMonkey's
fault...
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Re: seamonkey obsolete?

[Lemon Juice]

On 2015-06-19 01:26, Richard Owlett wrote:


https://validator.w3.org/ reports 6 errors ;/

'nuff said?


Not really. The errors don't mean anything in this case and they have 
nothing to do with SM not working well. The problem with the validator 
is that its results have any meaning only to webmasters and coders. The 
thing is that there are many types of errors the validator can report, 
which are completely harmless. Also, there other types of errors which 
can cause serious breakage. A person who is not skilled in building web 
pages can't tell the difference. What I mean is that the number of 
errors doesn't say anything practical. There could be 1000 errors and 
still no problems with a site working well or there could be 1 error or 
no errors at all and the site could break badly. In this case - the 6 
errors are harmless.


Having said that, the site seems to work well for me. Local storage can 
be turned off so I would suggest looking at browser settings (Offline 
Apps) or trying a new profile.

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Re: Contributed Win32 trunk builds - Version Number 2.35

[Lemon Juice]

On 2015-06-18 13:44, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Hi,

I am a little worried concerning the version numbers if the builds. I
see User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/38.0 SeaMonkey/2.35
Build 20150616034436

Shouldn't that be a 2.35a0 or similar instead of 2.35, what looks so
"ready"


AFAIK, "a" versions are reserved only for nightlies and aurora. SM 2.35 
is neither and from the development point of view it is ready (I 
suppose) - only held back by lack of official build machines.


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Re: seamonkey obsolete?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Kevin L. Hill wrote:


I encountered a site today that may serve as one 'real world' example.
Mega.co.nz offers end-to-end encryption for data, claiming that all
encryption/decryption is done on the local computer, not by their
servers, and that they do not possess the keys needed to decrypt the data.

On Seamonkey:  Mega.co.nz gives me the following error:

"Sorry, we were unable to initialize the browser's local storage, either
you're using an outdated browser or it's something from our side.

If you think it's our fault, please report the issue back to us.

Reason: localStorage is null
Browser: mozilla/5.0 (x11; linux x86_64; rv:36.0) gecko/20100101
firefox/36.0 seamonkey/2.33.1"

More info on "local storage in the browser" is here:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/2625216/web-browsers/html5-in-the-browser--local-data-storage.html

The page loads perfectly in Firefox:  38.0.5


Which page?

I went to their home page and it loaded perfectly.

I also clicked the link at bottom to learn more, and that loaded perfectly.

Steps to reproduce?

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Re: seamonkey obsolete?

[Ray_Net]

W3BNR wrote on 19/06/2015 01:54:

On 6/18/2015 12:35 PM, Bill DeCoster wrote:

I find myself needing to use IE other programs more and more because of issues
with it. What's the point if nothing works?

IMHO most of the issues that you see regarding IE vs SM is not in the SM's
software.  It is in the HTML of the pages that do not work or do not display
properly in SM whilst they do work or display properly in IE.

When you find a page that works in IE but not SM, check it out at
https://validator-suite.w3.org/

If the validator shows errors, the problem you have with SM is NOT SM -
it is the coding of that page.


Yes, but it would ne nice if SM was able to display a page containing 
errors.

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Re: seamonkey obsolete?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Ray_Net wrote:


W3BNR wrote on 19/06/2015 01:54:


On 6/18/2015 12:35 PM, Bill DeCoster wrote:


I find myself needing to use IE other programs more and more
because of issues with it. What's the point if nothing works?


IMHO most of the issues that you see regarding IE vs SM is not in
the SM's software.  It is in the HTML of the pages that do not
work or do not display properly in SM whilst they do work or
display properly in IE.

When you find a page that works in IE but not SM, check it out at
https://validator-suite.w3.org/

If the validator shows errors, the problem you have with SM is NOT
SM - it is the coding of that page.



Yes, but it would be nice if SM was able to display a page
containing errors.


It usually does.

Sometimes not as the designer would have liked, but it's not our fault 
if they don't know their job. If an engineer puts up a faulty bridge, is 
it the car's fault for being unable to drive across?


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