Menu Wizard

[Roger Fink]

I assume some readers here use Menu Wizard, as I do, to tame the the 
various drop down and context menus of SeaMonkey.


It works great, except that from the earliest version to the latest, 
5.03, I have never been able to get the Tab Context Menu settings to 
work. In the set-up options, all seven of the menu items are 
"hard-checked", so your option is to either show all of them when you 
right-click a tab, or by unchecking the "Tab Context Menu" category 
heading eliminate right-click-on-tab entirely.


I'm wondering this is typical for other users or if there could be some 
problem specific to my installation.




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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Chris Ilias]

On 2016-10-01 4:55 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 01/10/2016 21:25:

On 2016-10-01 3:20 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

It's blocked because that version is out of date.  Current version is
23.0.0.162.


I understand that, but why would the Mozilla plugin site be offering an
out-of-date plugin, and then saying it's blocked?


What Mozilla plugin site are you referring to?


Per exemple https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/
Where we can see:

Adobe Flash Player
Shockwave Flash 22.0 r0

v. 22.0.0.209 vulnerable

with an "UPDATE NOW" button to install this vulnerable version


Gerry Hickman, is the above link what you were referring to?

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Re: BCC broken?

[Richard Alan]

sean wrote:

> Richard Alan wrote on 10/01/2016 02:02 PM:
>> sean wrote:
>>> i just sent out an apology e'mail addressed BCC to myself and two
>>> others... it apprived in my inbox with all three BCCed e'mail
>>> addresses switched from BCC: to TO:
>>
>> Read the source header of the received message to confirm they are
>> "TO:"
>> and it is not the fault of your theme. Also, specifically ask your
>> recipients how *they* see it.
>
> they see it as a long list of TO:
> while the e'mail i sent out has a long list of BCC:

Again, how about you in your received copy's _source_.

How are you separating the addresses in your Compose window? Manually on 
one line, or separate clicks from an Address Book?

> FWIW, this does not happen in the new profile with no addons...

Oh. Well then, which addon is causing it?  :-)   Might be your address 
book.
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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 01/10/2016 21:25:

On 2016-10-01 3:20 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

It's blocked because that version is out of date.  Current version is
23.0.0.162.


I understand that, but why would the Mozilla plugin site be offering an
out-of-date plugin, and then saying it's blocked?


What Mozilla plugin site are you referring to?


Per exemple https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/
Where we can see:

Adobe Flash Player
Shockwave Flash 22.0 r0

v. 22.0.0.209 vulnerable


That's what you have now, not what they're offering.


with an "UPDATE NOW" button to install this vulnerable version


Does the "update now" button /really/ install the same vulnerable 
version, or does it offer the latest version as expected? That would be 
a shocking change from the policy that has existed for years.


Please don't assume stupidity until you have real evidence for it.

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Re: No images display in 2.40 email

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Richard Alan wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Correct URL in German:


Correct URL in English:


The error was the omission of "s" from "https."


Either way works for me, with or without the "s".


OK, yeah, as long as you strip the slash at the end. Sorry.

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Gerry Hickman]

Gerry Hickman wrote:

That URL is the usual "Install Now" option. There is a link on that
page, where you can choose a different operating system, and download an
EXE, but isn't that just a download manager in disguise, or are you
saying the EXE is an offline installer? Does it extract the MSI to a
temp location first?


A possible solution to this on Windows (outside of SM) is to visit
http://www.adobe.com/licensing/distribution/strategies/sms.html
click the download link (of interest) ending in "SCUP.cab"
You should now be able to extract the XML file from the CAB file using 7-Zip
Inside the XML file are the links to the MSI files, see the "OriginUri" 
attributes.


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[WaltS48]

Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 01/10/2016 21:25:

On 2016-10-01 3:20 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

It's blocked because that version is out of date.  Current version is
23.0.0.162.


I understand that, but why would the Mozilla plugin site be offering an
out-of-date plugin, and then saying it's blocked?


What Mozilla plugin site are you referring to?


Per exemple https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/
Where we can see:

Adobe Flash Player
Shockwave Flash 22.0 r0

v. 22.0.0.209 vulnerable

with an "UPDATE NOW" button to install this vulnerable version


That link is being removed from future Firefox versions, and hopefully 
SeaMonkey.


The best way to check is probably going to Adobe 
 remove the check marks for the 
Optional offers and click the Install Now button.


I've also had an update notification using Windows 10 when I checked 
Settings > Update & Security > Windows Update when 23.0.0.162 was available.

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Gerry Hickman wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

I go to the Adobe download page, click download, save to hdd, and
install from there.
It works great and I have a copy that I can send to the other computers
via the LAN.



I use my firewall to block flash from phoning home. There is no online
install process. It's quick and easy.
https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/


That URL is the usual "Install Now" option. There is a link on that page, where 
you can
choose a different operating system, and download an EXE, but isn't that just a 
download
manager in disguise, or are you saying the EXE is an offline installer? Does it 
extract
the MSI to a temp location first?


My SM gives me the option to run or save.
I normally choose save then use the firewall to block internet access
(or pull the plug) then run from hdd.  Not just for Flash but for everything.
19,672 kb is more then an installer stub, it's the whole thing.

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Re: BCC broken?

[sean]

Richard Alan wrote on 10/01/2016 02:02 PM:

sean wrote:


i just sent out an apology e'mail addressed BCC to myself and two
others... it apprived in my inbox with all three BCCed e'mail addresses
switched from BCC: to TO:


Read the source header of the received message to confirm they are "TO:"
and it is not the fault of your theme. Also, specifically ask your
recipients how *they* see it.



they see it as a long list of TO:

while the e'mail i sent out has a long list of BCC:

FWIW, this does not happen in the new profile with no addons...

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Re: No images display in 2.40 email

[Richard Alan]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

> Correct URL in German:
> 
> 
> Correct URL in English:
> 
> 
> The error was the omission of "s" from "https."

Either way works for me, with or without the "s".
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Re: BCC broken?

[Richard Alan]

sean wrote:

> i just sent out an apology e'mail addressed BCC to myself and two
> others... it apprived in my inbox with all three BCCed e'mail addresses
> switched from BCC: to TO:

Read the source header of the received message to confirm they are "TO:" 
and it is not the fault of your theme. Also, specifically ask your 
recipients how *they* see it.
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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Ray_Net]

Chris Ilias wrote on 01/10/2016 21:25:

On 2016-10-01 3:20 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

It's blocked because that version is out of date.  Current version is
23.0.0.162.


I understand that, but why would the Mozilla plugin site be offering an
out-of-date plugin, and then saying it's blocked?


What Mozilla plugin site are you referring to?


Per exemple https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/
Where we can see:

Adobe Flash Player
Shockwave Flash 22.0 r0

v. 22.0.0.209 vulnerable

with an "UPDATE NOW" button to install this vulnerable version
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Re: BCC broken?

[sean]

Richard Alan wrote on 09/30/2016 05:01 PM:

sean wrote:


i regularly send out e'mail to groups and lists with the BCC flag... but
lately, despite explicitly choosing BCC... all the e'mail addresses are
visible... to all of the BCCed recopients...

any body else ?!?


Are they marked as TO: or CC: ?

How do you know they are visible? Have you included yourself on the list?

No, I have never seen this, in years of SeaMonkey and Thunderbird use.



i just sent out an apology e'mail addressed BCC to myself and two 
others... it apprived in my inbox with all three BCCed e'mail addresses 
switched from BCC: to TO:


so its not a theme problem...

guess I need to try this from a new profile too... as themes seem to 
leave corruption in the wake of their removal.


once again BCC: to David ...



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Re: BCC broken?

[sean]

David E. Ross wrote on 09/30/2016 05:17 PM:

On 9/30/2016 4:52 PM, sean wrote:

i regularly send out e'mail to groups and lists with the BCC flag... but
lately, despite explicitly choosing BCC... all the e'mail addresses are
visible... to all of the BCCed recopients...

any body else ?!?



The bcc list of addresses should indeed be visible to you in the as-sent
copy of the message.  If you also send a copy to yourself, the bcc list
should be hidden in the as-received copy (as indicated by Richard Alan).



Yes David and Richard,  I am well aware that BCC are always visible to 
me, ever since I began messing with e'mail in 1994... but have had 
complaints from folks on the receiving end... about having to scroll 
past all the BCCed e'mail addresses...


My copy is clearly marked BCC on the entire list. I have since deleted 
the two themes I was testing, wondered if they had been reported as 
causing a glitch?


I am going to send this also as a bcc to David... to see what he sees on 
his end of the intertubes & webs ;~)


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Chris Ilias]

On 2016-10-01 3:20 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

It's blocked because that version is out of date.  Current version is
23.0.0.162.


I understand that, but why would the Mozilla plugin site be offering an
out-of-date plugin, and then saying it's blocked?


What Mozilla plugin site are you referring to?

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Gerry Hickman]

Ed Mullen wrote:

It's blocked because that version is out of date.  Current version is
23.0.0.162.


I understand that, but why would the Mozilla plugin site be offering an 
out-of-date plugin, and then saying it's blocked?



You can try Check for updates in the add-ons manager.


Unfortunately, that just gives the same error...

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Gerry Hickman]

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

I go to the Adobe download page, click download, save to hdd, and
install from there.
It works great and I have a copy that I can send to the other computers
via the LAN.



I use my firewall to block flash from phoning home. There is no online
install process. It's quick and easy.
https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/


That URL is the usual "Install Now" option. There is a link on that 
page, where you can choose a different operating system, and download an 
EXE, but isn't that just a download manager in disguise, or are you 
saying the EXE is an offline installer? Does it extract the MSI to a 
temp location first?



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Re: No images display in 2.40 email

[Ray_Net]

Ed Mullen wrote on 01/10/2016 16:53:

On 10/1/2016 at 6:07 AM, Daniel's prodigious digits fired off:

On 1/10/2016 12:57 AM, Chris Ilias wrote:

On 29/09/2016 5:02 PM, bwitzed wrote:

I did the privacy settings and it fixed the images.

How do I confirm that java is disabled?


Java is installed separately from SeaMonkey, and SeaMonkey doesn't
install it on your computer. Installing Java is something you would 
have

to do yourself. Assuming you're on Windows, you should see in the
Windows Control Panel, and be able to uninstall it from there.

I don't think you should worry about any sites requiring Java. I
uninstalled it around 10 years ago, and haven't had a need for it. The
websites you visit may be different, but it's a very safe assumption
that you won't need it.


Chris, if you were to go to a site which "required" Java to function the
way the developers wanted it to work, would you likely get some message
asking you to turn on ("Click Here") Java for "best User interaction"??

Or would you just get a basically blank/black page??



Depends on what the page/app is and how it's built.

Set the Java plugin to "ask to activate" and go here to see what happens:




For me, this is the result:

When I activate it, I got a pop-up "Java Application Blocked"
Blocked by Java Security.
"For security, applications must now meet the requirements for the High
or Very High security settings, or be part of the Exception Site List, 
to be allowed to run.

Name: Clock
Location: http://edmullen.net
REason: Your security settings have blocked an untrusted application 
from running.

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Re: SeaMonkey features re (HTML4 &/or HTML5)?

[Lee]

On 10/1/16, WaltS48  wrote:
> On 10/01/2016 07:21 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> On 9/30/2016 10:57 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>>> On 9/30/2016 at 7:49 AM, Richard Owlett's prodigious digits fired off:
 On 9/27/2016 7:47 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
> Richard Owlett composed on 2016-09-27 14:10 (UTC-0400):
>
>> That's an imperfect subject line to say the least.
>> Does SeaMonkey have a specification more detailed than the
>> "Feature List" at
>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features ?
>
> That list is more concerned with UI features than compatibility
> with web standards.
>
>> The "World Wide Web Consortium" has test suites
>> [http://validator.w3.org/] to demonstrate compliance of a WEB
>> page with various HTML standards.
>
>> My interest is from a different perspective. What features of
>> HTML4 and/or HTML% an SeaMonkey handle as page designer
>> intended?
>
> Web design is comprised of three fundamental components:
>
> 1-Content = HTML
>
> 2-Appearance = CSS
>
> 3-Behavior = scripting (JS or JavaScript in the FOSS world of
> Gecko aka
> Firefox and SeaMonkey)
>

 Is there a site that explores that for the layperson, i.e. a
 Pastor and Board of Deacons?
>>>
>>>  is a good place to start.
>>
>> For myself that is an interesting site but is not suitable for my
>> intended audience.
>>
>> For a tenuous analogy that page covers how to raise good beef not how to
>> tell what meat you wanted.

There's a reason good consultants get paid so much :)

Even at an overview level for html/css/javascript, everything decent
I've seen assumes a level of background knowledge that a pastor &/or
board of deacons probably don't have.

getting back to what you're interested in::

 Had a discussion with Pastor and realized how little we both knew about 
 planning a
 site. He had mentioned the inverse of your point about mobile vs computer 
 oriented
 site. There was a site that looked good on his laptop but was painful to 
 use on his
 smart phone. Is there a site covering that issue for lay people?

Try searching on "user interface design".   There's a huge difference
between a large screen desktop/mouse UI and a small touch screen UI -
especially how large the link area has to to be on a touch screen vs.
how small the link area can be when using a mouse to click on links.

If you don't want to do something like redirecting smart phone users
to a 'mobile optimized' version of the site you're looking for someone
with some serious knowledge of CSS & web site design.  see, for
example,
  http://sixrevisions.com/web_design/a-guide-on-layout-types-in-web-design/
and take a look at some web design/layout sites like
  
https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/01/10-principles-of-effective-web-design/


> Are you trying to convince the holders of the purse strings to allow the
> church to use funds for the church to set up a domain and hire a web
> developer to design a web site?
>
> Show them some web sites like ,
> 

+1
Look for sites that you like and think about what they did right/wrong

http://fpcp.org/
I have the noscript & request policy addons, so all I see is a mostly
blank page with a few links and _zero_ useful information.  I have to
scroll down a page to see the worship & events info and scroll down
yet another page to see the phone # & address.  I'd suggest this is a
good example of how not to do it

http://www.shadysidepres.org/
Join us on Sunday for worship at 11:00 a.m., Upcoming Events, Sermons
& Live Webcast, address, phone #, "New to Shadyside?" link, site map
link and search field -- all on the first page; no clicking/scrolling
required _and_ all that with noscript/request policy enabled.  I
suspect they had at least some professional help with their design &
layout.

After you find a few church sites you like, give them a call.  They'd
probably be happy to give you some tips, references, "what I wish I
knew before we started this project" info, etc.

Regards,
Lee
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Re: No images display in 2.40 email

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Daniel wrote:

On 30/09/2016 11:23 PM, Wolfgang Steger wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:

bwitzed wrote:


I did the privacy settings and it fixed the images.

How do I confirm that java is disabled?



[...]


Remember, Java is not the same as javascript.



Fast Check for *Java*: http://www.java.com/de/download/installed8.jsp/


Clicking on that link 

Quote
Sorry! We couldn't find the document requested.

The file that you requested could not be found on this server. If you
provided the URL, please check to ensure that it is correct.
Unquote

Or does that mean I don't have Java installed


Correct URL in German:


Correct URL in English:


The error was the omission of "s" from "https."


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Re: SeaMonkey features re (HTML4 &/or HTML5)?

[Richard Owlett]

On 10/1/2016 10:09 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 10/01/2016 07:21 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 9/30/2016 10:57 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

On 9/30/2016 at 7:49 AM, Richard Owlett's prodigious digits fired
off:

On 9/27/2016 7:47 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

Richard Owlett composed on 2016-09-27 14:10 (UTC-0400):


That's an imperfect subject line to say the least.
Does SeaMonkey have a specification more detailed than the
"Feature List" at
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features ?


That list is more concerned with UI features than compatibility
with web standards.


The "World Wide Web Consortium" has test suites
[http://validator.w3.org/] to demonstrate compliance of a WEB
page with various HTML standards.



My interest is from a different perspective. What features of
HTML4 and/or HTML% an SeaMonkey handle as page designer
intended?


Web design is comprised of three fundamental components:

1-Content = HTML

2-Appearance = CSS

3-Behavior = scripting (JS or JavaScript in the FOSS world of
Gecko aka
Firefox and SeaMonkey)



Is there a site that explores that for the layperson, i.e. a
Pastor and
Board of Deacons?



 is a good place to start.



For myself that is an interesting site but is not suitable for
my intended audience.

For a tenuous analogy that page covers how to raise good beef
not how to tell what meat you wanted.




Are you trying to convince the holders of the purse strings to
allow the church to use funds for the church to set up a domain
and hire a web developer to design a web site?


Pastor is interested in having a website. I think it is settled 
that someone will be hired to develop and host the site. The 
cost(s) may be met by special gifts. I sat down with Pastor this 
week. He has ideas of what he wants to accomplish, I was looking 
for a foundation for a at least a semi-formal description could 
be prepared for whoever will do the work. I think the Wikipedia 
article , and especially 
its links, will be valuable for getting me to better specify my 
question.


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Gerry Hickman wrote:

Hi,

When I go to "Tools: Addons Manager : Plugins" there's an entry for "Shockwave 
Flash", but
it doesn't work. I'm not sure if it ever worked.

"Flash Player Plugin 22.0.0.192 to 22.0.0.211 (click-to-play) has been blocked 
for your
protection."

I know I can install it via the operating system, but I don't like the official 
web based
Adobe installation process.


I go to the Adobe download page, click download, save to hdd, and install from 
there.
It works great and I have a copy that I can send to the other computers via the 
LAN.
I use my firewall to block flash from phoning home. There is no online install process. 
It's quick and easy.

https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
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Re: No images display in 2.40 email

[Richard Alan]

Daniel wrote:

> On 1/10/2016 9:52 PM, Richard Alan wrote:
>> Daniel wrote:
>>> Hmm!! When re-reading my post, I noticed your link had an "8" in it,
>>> so thinking that may have caused the problem, I copied your address
>>> into a tab of my browser, edited out the "8", hit return . and got
>>> the same error message!! ;-(
>>
>> You should have removed the errant / (slash) at the end of the above
>> link.
>>
>> http://www.java.com/de/download/installed8.jsp  or for English
>> http://www.java.com/en/download/installed8.jsp
>>
> And that language would be ..?? Seeing a word which almost
> looks like "Amsterdam", I'm guessing Dutch!!

Deutsch (German). The "de" in the link is a good clue.

> So, this time, the Java test page told me I had Java 8U101 installed,
> and it shows on the "Extensions" screen, not the "Plug-ins" screen where
> SM took me this time.
> 
> Why??

Sorry, I can't answer that question. I don't have Java installed. I've had 
no need of it for years. You probably don't either.
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Re: SeaMonkey features re (HTML4 &/or HTML5)?

[WaltS48]

On 10/01/2016 07:21 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 9/30/2016 10:57 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

On 9/30/2016 at 7:49 AM, Richard Owlett's prodigious digits fired
off:

On 9/27/2016 7:47 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

Richard Owlett composed on 2016-09-27 14:10 (UTC-0400):


That's an imperfect subject line to say the least.
Does SeaMonkey have a specification more detailed than the
"Feature List" at
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features ?


That list is more concerned with UI features than compatibility
with web standards.


The "World Wide Web Consortium" has test suites
[http://validator.w3.org/] to demonstrate compliance of a WEB
page with various HTML standards.



My interest is from a different perspective. What features of
HTML4 and/or HTML% an SeaMonkey handle as page designer
intended?


Web design is comprised of three fundamental components:

1-Content = HTML

2-Appearance = CSS

3-Behavior = scripting (JS or JavaScript in the FOSS world of
Gecko aka
Firefox and SeaMonkey)



Is there a site that explores that for the layperson, i.e. a
Pastor and
Board of Deacons?



 is a good place to start.



For myself that is an interesting site but is not suitable for my 
intended audience.


For a tenuous analogy that page covers how to raise good beef not how to 
tell what meat you wanted.





Are you trying to convince the holders of the purse strings to allow the 
church to use funds for the church to set up a domain and hire a web 
developer to design a web site?


Show them some web sites like , 



Or do a search on Church Web Sites.





Maybe the pastor and Board of Deacons don't use the Internet?





Okay I'm done running searches for today.

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Ed Mullen]

On 10/1/2016 at 10:27 AM, Gerry Hickman's prodigious digits fired off:

Hi,

When I go to "Tools: Addons Manager : Plugins" there's an entry for
"Shockwave Flash", but it doesn't work. I'm not sure if it ever worked.

"Flash Player Plugin 22.0.0.192 to 22.0.0.211 (click-to-play) has been
blocked for your protection."

I know I can install it via the operating system, but I don't like the
official web based Adobe installation process.



It's blocked because that version is out of date.  Current version is 
23.0.0.162.  You can try Check for updates in the add-ons manager.  If 
that doesn't work your only alternative is to go to the Adobe site and 
use their process.


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Ed Mullen]

On 10/1/2016 at 11:01 AM, Ed Mullen's prodigious digits fired off:

On 10/1/2016 at 10:27 AM, Gerry Hickman's prodigious digits fired off:

Hi,

When I go to "Tools: Addons Manager : Plugins" there's an entry for
"Shockwave Flash", but it doesn't work. I'm not sure if it ever worked.

"Flash Player Plugin 22.0.0.192 to 22.0.0.211 (click-to-play) has been
blocked for your protection."

I know I can install it via the operating system, but I don't like the
official web based Adobe installation process.



It's blocked because that version is out of date.  Current version is
23.0.0.162.  You can try Check for updates in the add-ons manager.  If
that doesn't work your only alternative is to go to the Adobe site and
use their process.



Or go to Control Panel in Windows and use the Java applet to update.

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Gerry Hickman]

Mason83 wrote:

Adobe used to host an offline installer anyone could download.
It seems like they now require some personal info first:

https://www.adobe.com/products/players/flash-player-distribution.html


Yes, I'd been using the old URL to get to the MSI files, but they've 
taken it down now. I did apply for distribution rights, but I'd rather 
be able to do it through SM.


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Mason83]

On 01/10/2016 16:27, Gerry Hickman wrote:

> When I go to "Tools: Addons Manager : Plugins" there's an entry for 
> "Shockwave Flash", but it doesn't work. I'm not sure if it ever worked.
> 
> "Flash Player Plugin 22.0.0.192 to 22.0.0.211 (click-to-play) has been 
> blocked for your protection."
> 
> I know I can install it via the operating system, but I don't like the 
> official web based Adobe installation process.

Adobe used to host an offline installer anyone could download.
It seems like they now require some personal info first:

https://www.adobe.com/products/players/flash-player-distribution.html

Regards.

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Re: SeaMonkey features re (HTML4 &/or HTML5)?

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On 10/1/2016 at 7:21 AM, Richard Owlett's prodigious digits fired off:

On 9/30/2016 10:57 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

On 9/30/2016 at 7:49 AM, Richard Owlett's prodigious digits fired
off:

On 9/27/2016 7:47 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

Richard Owlett composed on 2016-09-27 14:10 (UTC-0400):


That's an imperfect subject line to say the least.
Does SeaMonkey have a specification more detailed than the
"Feature List" at
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features ?


That list is more concerned with UI features than compatibility
with web standards.


The "World Wide Web Consortium" has test suites
[http://validator.w3.org/] to demonstrate compliance of a WEB
page with various HTML standards.



My interest is from a different perspective. What features of
HTML4 and/or HTML% an SeaMonkey handle as page designer
intended?


Web design is comprised of three fundamental components:

1-Content = HTML

2-Appearance = CSS

3-Behavior = scripting (JS or JavaScript in the FOSS world of
Gecko aka
Firefox and SeaMonkey)



Is there a site that explores that for the layperson, i.e. a
Pastor and
Board of Deacons?



 is a good place to start.



For myself that is an interesting site but is not suitable for my
intended audience.

For a tenuous analogy that page covers how to raise good beef not how to
tell what meat you wanted.



Well then, look for yourself:




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Re: No images display in 2.40 email

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On 10/1/2016 at 6:07 AM, Daniel's prodigious digits fired off:

On 1/10/2016 12:57 AM, Chris Ilias wrote:

On 29/09/2016 5:02 PM, bwitzed wrote:

I did the privacy settings and it fixed the images.

How do I confirm that java is disabled?


Java is installed separately from SeaMonkey, and SeaMonkey doesn't
install it on your computer. Installing Java is something you would have
to do yourself. Assuming you're on Windows, you should see in the
Windows Control Panel, and be able to uninstall it from there.

I don't think you should worry about any sites requiring Java. I
uninstalled it around 10 years ago, and haven't had a need for it. The
websites you visit may be different, but it's a very safe assumption
that you won't need it.


Chris, if you were to go to a site which "required" Java to function the
way the developers wanted it to work, would you likely get some message
asking you to turn on ("Click Here") Java for "best User interaction"??

Or would you just get a basically blank/black page??



Depends on what the page/app is and how it's built.

Set the Java plugin to "ask to activate" and go here to see what happens:



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Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Gerry Hickman]

Hi,

When I go to "Tools: Addons Manager : Plugins" there's an entry for 
"Shockwave Flash", but it doesn't work. I'm not sure if it ever worked.


"Flash Player Plugin 22.0.0.192 to 22.0.0.211 (click-to-play) has been 
blocked for your protection."


I know I can install it via the operating system, but I don't like the 
official web based Adobe installation process.


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Re: No images display in 2.40 email

[Daniel]

On 1/10/2016 9:52 PM, Richard Alan wrote:

Daniel wrote:


On 1/10/2016 8:11 PM, Daniel wrote:

On 30/09/2016 11:23 PM, Wolfgang Steger wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:

bwitzed wrote:


I did the privacy settings and it fixed the images.

How do I confirm that java is disabled?



[...]


Remember, Java is not the same as javascript.



Fast Check for *Java*: http://www.java.com/de/download/installed8.jsp/


Clicking on that link 

Quote Sorry! We couldn't find the document requested.

The file that you requested could not be found on this server. If you
provided the URL, please check to ensure that it is correct.
Unquote

Or does that mean I don't have Java installed


Hmm!! When re-reading my post, I noticed your link had an "8" in it, so
thinking that may have caused the problem, I copied your address into a
tab of my browser, edited out the "8", hit return . and got the same
error message!! ;-(


You should have removed the errant / (slash) at the end of the above link.

http://www.java.com/de/download/installed8.jsp  or for English
http://www.java.com/en/download/installed8.jsp

And that language would be ..?? Seeing a word which almost 
looks like "Amsterdam", I'm guessing Dutch!!


But the English link gives 

Quote
Congratulations!

You have the recommended Java installed (Version 8 Update 101).
End Quote

But   Bugger, at other times, when I've gone to Tools->Add-On 
Manager, I've been sent to the "Plug-ins" screen, but this time (without 
looking) I was taken to the "Extensions" screen, where Java is not 
listed, so figured I didn't have Java installed.


So, this time, the Java test page told me I had Java 8U101 installed, 
and it shows on the "Extensions" screen, not the "Plug-ins" screen where 
SM took me this time.


Why??

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Re: No images display in 2.40 email

[Daniel]

On 1/10/2016 9:22 PM, Heinz W. Simoneit wrote:

Daniel schrieb am 01.10.2016 um 12:42:

On 1/10/2016 8:11 PM, Daniel wrote:

On 30/09/2016 11:23 PM, Wolfgang Steger wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:

bwitzed wrote:


I did the privacy settings and it fixed the images.

How do I confirm that java is disabled?



[...]


Remember, Java is not the same as javascript.



Fast Check for *Java*: http://www.java.com/de/download/installed8.jsp/


Clicking on that link 

Quote
Sorry! We couldn't find the document requested.

The file that you requested could not be found on this server. If you
provided the URL, please check to ensure that it is correct.
Unquote

Or does that mean I don't have Java installed


Hmm!! When re-reading my post, I noticed your link had an "8" in it,
so thinking that may have caused the problem, I copied your address
into a tab of my browser, edited out the "8", hit return . and got
the same error message!! ;-(


Try this link:

http://tinyurl.com/mdmc45c


Heinz


I'm guessing German, but at least I get there. Thanks, though.

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[SM 2.39] Return does not work anymore in address bar

[BERTRAND Joël]

Hello,

	I use Seamonkey 2.39 on a diskless FreeBSD 10.3 workstation. Yesterday, 
/home was full (due to a user log file). I suppose seamonkey has broken 
my profile as it was not able to write it.


	Now, all but address bar work as expected. I can enter an URL, but 
enter key doesn't work anymore. If I create a new profile, seamonkey 
works fine.


How can I fix this issue ?

Best regards,

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Re: No images display in 2.40 email

[Richard Alan]

Daniel wrote:

> On 1/10/2016 8:11 PM, Daniel wrote:
>> On 30/09/2016 11:23 PM, Wolfgang Steger wrote:
>>> Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:
 bwitzed wrote:

> I did the privacy settings and it fixed the images.
>
> How do I confirm that java is disabled?

>>> [...]

 Remember, Java is not the same as javascript.


>>> Fast Check for *Java*: http://www.java.com/de/download/installed8.jsp/
>>>
>> Clicking on that link 
>>
>> Quote Sorry! We couldn't find the document requested.
>>
>> The file that you requested could not be found on this server. If you
>> provided the URL, please check to ensure that it is correct.
>> Unquote
>>
>> Or does that mean I don't have Java installed
>>
> Hmm!! When re-reading my post, I noticed your link had an "8" in it, so
> thinking that may have caused the problem, I copied your address into a
> tab of my browser, edited out the "8", hit return . and got the same
> error message!! ;-(

You should have removed the errant / (slash) at the end of the above link.

http://www.java.com/de/download/installed8.jsp  or for English
http://www.java.com/en/download/installed8.jsp
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Re: SeaMonkey features re (HTML4 &/or HTML5)?

[Richard Owlett]

On 9/30/2016 10:57 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

On 9/30/2016 at 7:49 AM, Richard Owlett's prodigious digits fired
off:

On 9/27/2016 7:47 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

Richard Owlett composed on 2016-09-27 14:10 (UTC-0400):


That's an imperfect subject line to say the least.
Does SeaMonkey have a specification more detailed than the
"Feature List" at
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features ?


That list is more concerned with UI features than compatibility
with web standards.


The "World Wide Web Consortium" has test suites
[http://validator.w3.org/] to demonstrate compliance of a WEB
page with various HTML standards.



My interest is from a different perspective. What features of
HTML4 and/or HTML% an SeaMonkey handle as page designer
intended?


Web design is comprised of three fundamental components:

1-Content = HTML

2-Appearance = CSS

3-Behavior = scripting (JS or JavaScript in the FOSS world of
Gecko aka
Firefox and SeaMonkey)



Is there a site that explores that for the layperson, i.e. a
Pastor and
Board of Deacons?



 is a good place to start.



For myself that is an interesting site but is not suitable for my 
intended audience.


For a tenuous analogy that page covers how to raise good beef not 
how to tell what meat you wanted.


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Re: No images display in 2.40 email

[Heinz W. Simoneit]

Daniel schrieb am 01.10.2016 um 12:42:

On 1/10/2016 8:11 PM, Daniel wrote:

On 30/09/2016 11:23 PM, Wolfgang Steger wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:

bwitzed wrote:


I did the privacy settings and it fixed the images.

How do I confirm that java is disabled?



[...]


Remember, Java is not the same as javascript.



Fast Check for *Java*: http://www.java.com/de/download/installed8.jsp/


Clicking on that link 

Quote
Sorry! We couldn't find the document requested.

The file that you requested could not be found on this server. If you
provided the URL, please check to ensure that it is correct.
Unquote

Or does that mean I don't have Java installed

Hmm!! When re-reading my post, I noticed your link had an "8" in it, 
so thinking that may have caused the problem, I copied your address 
into a tab of my browser, edited out the "8", hit return . and got 
the same error message!! ;-(



Try this link:

http://tinyurl.com/mdmc45c


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Re: No images display in 2.40 email

[Daniel]

On 1/10/2016 8:11 PM, Daniel wrote:

On 30/09/2016 11:23 PM, Wolfgang Steger wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:

bwitzed wrote:


I did the privacy settings and it fixed the images.

How do I confirm that java is disabled?



[...]


Remember, Java is not the same as javascript.



Fast Check for *Java*: http://www.java.com/de/download/installed8.jsp/


Clicking on that link 

Quote
Sorry! We couldn't find the document requested.

The file that you requested could not be found on this server. If you
provided the URL, please check to ensure that it is correct.
Unquote

Or does that mean I don't have Java installed

Hmm!! When re-reading my post, I noticed your link had an "8" in it, so 
thinking that may have caused the problem, I copied your address into a 
tab of my browser, edited out the "8", hit return . and got the same 
error message!! ;-(


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Re: Importing Old Mail with .slt Suffix

[Daniel]

On 30/09/2016 9:25 PM, David Hume wrote:

It seems seamonkey doesn't permit subfolders, so I have to find the
plain text file of email and copy it into an existing folder, and that
works. But on the backup there are several files called Inbox in folders
for example pop3.mail.yahoo.com/Mail.

David, if it is a small number of e-mails you want, have you tried 
selecting one e-mail that you want, then select File->Save As->File, 
than save it wherever you want, and print it from there??


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Re: No images display in 2.40 email

[Daniel]

On 30/09/2016 11:23 PM, Wolfgang Steger wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:

bwitzed wrote:


I did the privacy settings and it fixed the images.

How do I confirm that java is disabled?



[...]


Remember, Java is not the same as javascript.



Fast Check for *Java*: http://www.java.com/de/download/installed8.jsp/


Clicking on that link 

Quote
Sorry! We couldn't find the document requested.

The file that you requested could not be found on this server. If you 
provided the URL, please check to ensure that it is correct.

Unquote

Or does that mean I don't have Java installed

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Re: No images display in 2.40 email

[Daniel]

On 1/10/2016 12:57 AM, Chris Ilias wrote:

On 29/09/2016 5:02 PM, bwitzed wrote:

I did the privacy settings and it fixed the images.

How do I confirm that java is disabled?


Java is installed separately from SeaMonkey, and SeaMonkey doesn't
install it on your computer. Installing Java is something you would have
to do yourself. Assuming you're on Windows, you should see in the
Windows Control Panel, and be able to uninstall it from there.

I don't think you should worry about any sites requiring Java. I
uninstalled it around 10 years ago, and haven't had a need for it. The
websites you visit may be different, but it's a very safe assumption
that you won't need it.

Chris, if you were to go to a site which "required" Java to function the 
way the developers wanted it to work, would you likely get some message 
asking you to turn on ("Click Here") Java for "best User interaction"??


Or would you just get a basically blank/black page??

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Re: No images display in 2.40 email

[Daniel]

On 30/09/2016 8:08 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Daniel wrote:


Have a look at Tools->Switch Profiles to see if you have more profiles
than you would expect. Sometimes things happen which result in new
profiles being created!!

The e-mails that you have sent are stored in a file called sent. no
extension, just sent, although there should also be a file called
sent.snm, which is the index file for the sent file.

The e-mails that you receive are stored in a file called Inbox. no
extension, just Inbox, although there should also be a file called
inbox.snm, which is the index file for the inbox file.

Do a Windows Search for either of these files to find their locations.
Or, in SeaMonkey, have a look at Edit->Mail & Newsgroups Account
Settings, select "Server Settings" for your e-mail account and, at the
bottom of that screen, you should see the location of your Mail account
in the "Local directory" spot!

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But what is the filename or extension I search for in indows explorer
to find the other profile on my computer.


Each profiles information is stored in a file called "prefs.js".
Each mail accounts received e-mails are stored in a fill called "inbox"
with its indexed file called "inbox.snm".
Each mail accounts sent e-mails are stored in a fill called "sent" with
its indexed file called "sent.snm".

Didn't I just type that??


You did, with numerous confusing and misleading typos.

The index files (not "fills") on Windows are *.msf, not *.snm. My
Windows installation has no files anywhere in the profile named *.snm. I
can't say what they will be on Linux.


Ah. Yes. Sorry! :-(

Where do I get snm from??

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