Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

[NoOp]

On 11/22/2010 12:21 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:
> On 10-11-21 9:34 PM, NoOp wrote:
>> File a *bug* and a *patch* to change a web page that *you* maintain?
>>
>> Are you not the maintainer of that web page?
>> 
>> Maintained by Robert Kaiser
>> mailto:ka...@kairo.at
>> 
>>
>> Regardless of: "I am seriously cutting down the time I'm working on
>> SeaMonkey and trying to cut down on work time in general" it seems to me
>> that you are asking others to use added/wasted time to "file a bug, even
>> better a patch"...
>>
>> Filing a bug report for something like this (IMO) simply causes
>> unnecessary noise on bugzilla. So, now:
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613770
>> is (again IMO - sorry Jens) added to the thousands (6533) of other
>> bugzilla reports for SeaMonkey:
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=seamonkey
>>
>> Well done.
> 
> Anyone with a Mozilla CVS account is able to edit the website (sorta 
> like a wiki, but using HTML markup), and website content issues are 
> reported and tracked in bugzilla.
> See 
> 
> Being "Maintained" by Robert just means that he is responsible to make 
> sure the content is still good, whether he be the one to do the actual 
> edits or someone else. It also means that he has final say on content 
> for that website.
> 
> There are a number of people who watch the Websites component in 
> bugzilla as well, who will be able to fix website bugs if Robert isn't 
> needed, or is unavailable for some reason (sleeping, travel, etc.).
> 
> 
> Contributing to http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ is really easy using 
> the Mozilla Doctor tool. At the bottom of each page, just click on "Edit 
> this Page". From there you can edit the HTML source, and when you're 
> done, click on the "Save Changes" tab. Even if you don't have a CVS 
> account, it gives you the option to download a diff of your edit 
> (creates your patch), and has a link to where to file the bug in 
> bugzilla, so someone can check in your patch for you.
> 
> If you provide patches for enough website bugs, you can then apply for a 
> CVS account.
> 

Thanks (and thanks Jens) for the clear explanation.

Gary

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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

[Chris Ilias]

On 10-11-21 9:34 PM, NoOp wrote:

File a *bug* and a *patch* to change a web page that *you* maintain?

Are you not the maintainer of that web page?

Maintained by Robert Kaiser
mailto:ka...@kairo.at


Regardless of: "I am seriously cutting down the time I'm working on
SeaMonkey and trying to cut down on work time in general" it seems to me
that you are asking others to use added/wasted time to "file a bug, even
better a patch"...

Filing a bug report for something like this (IMO) simply causes
unnecessary noise on bugzilla. So, now:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613770
is (again IMO - sorry Jens) added to the thousands (6533) of other
bugzilla reports for SeaMonkey:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=seamonkey

Well done.


Anyone with a Mozilla CVS account is able to edit the website (sorta 
like a wiki, but using HTML markup), and website content issues are 
reported and tracked in bugzilla.

See 

Being "Maintained" by Robert just means that he is responsible to make 
sure the content is still good, whether he be the one to do the actual 
edits or someone else. It also means that he has final say on content 
for that website.


There are a number of people who watch the Websites component in 
bugzilla as well, who will be able to fix website bugs if Robert isn't 
needed, or is unavailable for some reason (sleeping, travel, etc.).



Contributing to http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ is really easy using 
the Mozilla Doctor tool. At the bottom of each page, just click on "Edit 
this Page". From there you can edit the HTML source, and when you're 
done, click on the "Save Changes" tab. Even if you don't have a CVS 
account, it gives you the option to download a diff of your edit 
(creates your patch), and has a link to where to file the bug in 
bugzilla, so someone can check in your patch for you.


If you provide patches for enough website bugs, you can then apply for a 
CVS account.


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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

[Jens Hatlak]

Ed Mullen wrote:

On 11/20/2010 05:15 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:

Jens Hatlak schrieb:

KaiRo, can you remove that paragraph please?

Please file a bug, even better a patch.

gotta tell ya, just don't get it. Err, it's a freaking Web page, just go
edit it.


It's a bit more complicated. The whole website is subject to version 
control (CVS), which allows you to see who did what and when, have the 
ability to go back to previous states etc. On the upside, as I learned 
today, any change you make (if you're authorized, of course) gets 
applied to the actual website within minutes; no further action 
required. So all in all it's really easy to make such simple changes. 
You just have to know how it all fits together.


FYI: Its done.

HTH

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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

[Jens Hatlak]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

I don't require a patch if you do it, I just mentioned it because
someone attaching it would speed up me doing it. If you delete that part
and push it, that's OK by me!
(oh, and no need to build templates if all you do is simple HTML editing)


OK, done. Easier than I thought. :-)

Greetings,

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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

[Jens Hatlak]

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 11/21/2010 12:09 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Jens Hatlak schrieb:

Filed bug 613770. I don't see the sense in writing a patch for plain
removal, though, so I skipped that step.


Well, I am seriously cutting down the time I'm working on SeaMonkey and
trying to cut down on work time in general, so it will take me some time
if I need to look into it.


Fair enough. We have a bug for it now, which is also the minimum
requirement we're heading for for things that need in-product
documentation (Help). I could do the change in CVS, but since you seem
to want to see a patch somewhere and I cannot push the change anyway due
to the template issues I encountered, I'll just leave it this way. SM
2.1 is still a bit ahead, no need to address this ASAP.



Bug number?, I want to mark it blocking so we don't miss it.


Hint: It's in the quotation. :-)

HTH

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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

[Robert Kaiser]

NoOp schrieb:

File a *bug* and a *patch* to change a web page that *you* maintain?


Yes. The same process as for code I maintain, the same process as used 
everywhere in Mozilla. We even file bugs for build machines that need 
changes applied.


Robert Kaiser

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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

[Robert Kaiser]

Jens Hatlak schrieb:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Jens Hatlak schrieb:

Filed bug 613770. I don't see the sense in writing a patch for plain
removal, though, so I skipped that step.


Well, I am seriously cutting down the time I'm working on SeaMonkey and
trying to cut down on work time in general, so it will take me some time
if I need to look into it.


Fair enough. We have a bug for it now, which is also the minimum
requirement we're heading for for things that need in-product
documentation (Help). I could do the change in CVS, but since you seem
to want to see a patch somewhere and I cannot push the change anyway due
to the template issues I encountered, I'll just leave it this way. SM
2.1 is still a bit ahead, no need to address this ASAP.


I don't require a patch if you do it, I just mentioned it because 
someone attaching it would speed up me doing it. If you delete that part 
and push it, that's OK by me!

(oh, and no need to build templates if all you do is simple HTML editing)

Robert Kaiser


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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

[Ed Mullen]

NoOp wrote:

On 11/20/2010 05:15 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:

Jens Hatlak schrieb:

Ah, that's on this page:


KaiRo, can you remove that paragraph please?


Please file a bug, even better a patch.


File a *bug* and a *patch* to change a web page that *you* maintain?

Are you not the maintainer of that web page?

Maintained by Robert Kaiser
mailto:ka...@kairo.at


Regardless of: "I am seriously cutting down the time I'm working on
SeaMonkey and trying to cut down on work time in general" it seems to me
that you are asking others to use added/wasted time to "file a bug, even
better a patch"...

Filing a bug report for something like this (IMO) simply causes
unnecessary noise on bugzilla. So, now:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613770
is (again IMO - sorry Jens) added to the thousands (6533) of other
bugzilla reports for SeaMonkey:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=seamonkey

Well done.


Thank you, I was about to try to write that post but you beat me to it 
and better expressed to boot!


gotta tell ya, just don't get it. Err, it's a freaking Web page, just go 
edit it.  There's agreement on the mis-statement, just delete the 
freaking reference.  Hell, it'd take me about 30 seconds.  How many 
bytes, hours, and effort has been wasted on this now?


Good Lord.  Every time I fall in love with SeaMonkey something like this 
comes along and makes me wonder how I haven't yet caught the clap from 
my long-term marriage to this piece of software.


What is this nonsense? God, makes me want to fire up my FTP program and 
just delete all the stuff on my Web site under the "Mozilla" folders.


Bug Report?  Hello?  Robert, you seem like a good guy but, really?

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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

On 11/21/2010 12:09 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Jens Hatlak schrieb:

Filed bug 613770. I don't see the sense in writing a patch for plain
removal, though, so I skipped that step.


Well, I am seriously cutting down the time I'm working on SeaMonkey and
trying to cut down on work time in general, so it will take me some time
if I need to look into it.


Fair enough. We have a bug for it now, which is also the minimum
requirement we're heading for for things that need in-product
documentation (Help). I could do the change in CVS, but since you seem
to want to see a patch somewhere and I cannot push the change anyway due
to the template issues I encountered, I'll just leave it this way. SM
2.1 is still a bit ahead, no need to address this ASAP.



Bug number?, I want to mark it blocking so we don't miss it.

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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

[NoOp]

On 11/20/2010 05:15 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> Jens Hatlak schrieb:
>> Ah, that's on this page:
>> 
>>
>> KaiRo, can you remove that paragraph please?
> 
> Please file a bug, even better a patch.

File a *bug* and a *patch* to change a web page that *you* maintain?

Are you not the maintainer of that web page?

Maintained by Robert Kaiser
mailto:ka...@kairo.at


Regardless of: "I am seriously cutting down the time I'm working on
SeaMonkey and trying to cut down on work time in general" it seems to me
that you are asking others to use added/wasted time to "file a bug, even
better a patch"...

Filing a bug report for something like this (IMO) simply causes
unnecessary noise on bugzilla. So, now:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613770
is (again IMO - sorry Jens) added to the thousands (6533) of other
bugzilla reports for SeaMonkey:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=seamonkey

Well done.





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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

[Jens Hatlak]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Jens Hatlak schrieb:

Filed bug 613770. I don't see the sense in writing a patch for plain
removal, though, so I skipped that step.


Well, I am seriously cutting down the time I'm working on SeaMonkey and
trying to cut down on work time in general, so it will take me some time
if I need to look into it.


Fair enough. We have a bug for it now, which is also the minimum 
requirement we're heading for for things that need in-product 
documentation (Help). I could do the change in CVS, but since you seem 
to want to see a patch somewhere and I cannot push the change anyway due 
to the template issues I encountered, I'll just leave it this way. SM 
2.1 is still a bit ahead, no need to address this ASAP.


Greetings,

Jens

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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

[Robert Kaiser]

Jens Hatlak schrieb:

Filed bug 613770. I don't see the sense in writing a patch for plain
removal, though, so I skipped that step.


Well, I am seriously cutting down the time I'm working on SeaMonkey and 
trying to cut down on work time in general, so it will take me some time 
if I need to look into it.


Robert Kaiser


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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

[Jens Hatlak]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Jens Hatlak schrieb:

Ah, that's on this page:


KaiRo, can you remove that paragraph please?


Please file a bug, even better a patch.


Filed bug 613770. I don't see the sense in writing a patch for plain 
removal, though, so I skipped that step.


Greetings,

Jens

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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

[Arnie Goetchius]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:


Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

However, I still get "incompatible" browser error message when
logging into http://adwords.google.com with SM 2.1. No error
message if I log in with FF 3.6


I get 404s for both of those 'adwords' URLs ... no error, just missing.


Should have been:
http://adcenter.microsoft.com
https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=adwords
Sorry for my error. sigh


Ah, thanks. I see what you mean with the Microsloth site. Setting my UA
to any of Ipod, Iphone, Iceweasel, Firefox Linux, multiple Operas
including Opera Mobile, and my favorite Borgzilla, I am rejected. Works
fine as any IE version... but then it is a Microsloth site. I had no
problem with the Google site with any of the above UAs.

Since that MS site is looking for advertisers/revenue, I am truly
confused why they even care about what browser the prospective spender
of money would be using. Oh wait .. it's Microsloth.

My Borgzilla is humor:
Borgzilla/31.0 (X11;U;Linux i686;en-US;rv:31.0) Resistance is futile


Personally, I can't see any advantage to a browser utility that sends
some kind of error message to a web site. There are so many broken
sites out there that (if this reporting thingy became popular)
webmasters would start directing all such messages to dev/null. I can
envision users-without-clue sending hundreds/thousands of these reports
and possibly causing the site authors to ban access by those browsers.


Good point. There are enough of us without a clue to not add any more ;)


I'd consider you to be in the Have Clue category, Arnie.


Thanks for the very kind words. I owe you a beer!!
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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> Arnie Goetchius wrote:
>>> However, I still get "incompatible" browser error message when
>>> logging into http://adwords.google.com with SM 2.1. No error
>>> message if I log in with FF 3.6
>>
>> I get 404s for both of those 'adwords' URLs ... no error, just missing.
> 
> Should have been:
> http://adcenter.microsoft.com
> https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=adwords
> Sorry for my error. sigh

Ah, thanks. I see what you mean with the Microsloth site. Setting my UA
to any of Ipod, Iphone, Iceweasel, Firefox Linux, multiple Operas
including Opera Mobile, and my favorite Borgzilla, I am rejected. Works
fine as any IE version... but then it is a Microsloth site. I had no
problem with the Google site with any of the above UAs.

Since that MS site is looking for advertisers/revenue, I am truly
confused why they even care about what browser the prospective spender
of money would be using. Oh wait .. it's Microsloth.

My Borgzilla is humor:
Borgzilla/31.0 (X11;U;Linux i686;en-US;rv:31.0) Resistance is futile

>> Personally, I can't see any advantage to a browser utility that sends
>> some kind of error message to a web site. There are so many broken
>> sites out there that (if this reporting thingy became popular)
>> webmasters would start directing all such messages to dev/null. I can
>> envision users-without-clue sending hundreds/thousands of these reports
>> and possibly causing the site authors to ban access by those browsers.
> 
> Good point. There are enough of us without a clue to not add any more ;)

I'd consider you to be in the Have Clue category, Arnie.  

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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

[Arnie Goetchius]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:


Jens Hatlak wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:



SM 2.1 website compatibility should be better in general, though,
since it now advertises itself as Firefox in addition to SeaMonkey.


FWIW, I can log into http://adwords.microsoft.com with 2.1 without
getting an "incompatible" browser error message. I get an error
message using 2.010

However, I still get "incompatible" browser error message when
logging into http://adwords.google.com with SM 2.1. No error message
if I log in with FF 3.6


I get 404s for both of those 'adwords' URLs ... no error, just missing.


Should have been:

http://adcenter.microsoft.com

https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=adwords

Sorry for my error. sigh


Personally, I can't see any advantage to a browser utility that sends
some kind of error message to a web site. There are so many broken
sites out there that (if this reporting thingy became popular)
webmasters would start directing all such messages to dev/null. I can
envision users-without-clue sending hundreds/thousands of these reports
and possibly causing the site authors to ban access by those browsers.



Good point. There are enough of us without a clue to not add any more ;)
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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

> Jens Hatlak wrote:
>> Arnie Goetchius wrote:
> 
>> SM 2.1 website compatibility should be better in general, though,
>> since it now advertises itself as Firefox in addition to SeaMonkey.
> 
> FWIW, I can log into http://adwords.microsoft.com with 2.1 without
> getting an "incompatible" browser error message. I get an error
> message using 2.010 
> 
> However, I still get "incompatible" browser error message when
> logging into http://adwords.google.com with SM 2.1. No error message
> if I log in with FF 3.6

I get 404s for both of those 'adwords' URLs ... no error, just missing.

Personally, I can't see any advantage to a browser utility that sends
some kind of error message to a web site. There are so many broken
sites out there that (if this reporting thingy became popular)
webmasters would start directing all such messages to dev/null. I can
envision users-without-clue sending hundreds/thousands of these reports
and possibly causing the site authors to ban access by those browsers.

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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

[Arnie Goetchius]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:



SM 2.1 website compatibility should be better in general, though, since
it now advertises itself as Firefox in addition to SeaMonkey.


FWIW, I can log into http://adwords.microsoft.com with 2.1 without 
getting an "incompatible" browser error message. I get an error message 
using 2.010


However, I still get "incompatible" browser error message when logging 
into http://adwords.google.com with SM 2.1. No error message if I log in 
with FF 3.6


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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

[Robert Kaiser]

Jens Hatlak schrieb:

Ah, that's on this page:


KaiRo, can you remove that paragraph please?


Please file a bug, even better a patch.

Robert Kaiser


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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

[Jens Hatlak]

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

According to the latest download of Seamonkey 2.1b2pre there is a
process to report broken web sites as described in the following
paragraph:

"SeaMonkey comes with a new tool for reporting broken web sites
(available through the Custom Install option). From the 'Help' menu,
 select 'Report Broken Web Site' and provide as much information as
you can about the issue that you are encountering."


Ah, that's on this page:


KaiRo, can you remove that paragraph please?


I did a custom install but did not see anywhere that I could load
that option. When I click on the "Help" menu, I don't see 'Report
Broken Web Site'. Is this in the future? Sounds like a terrific
idea.


Actually it's in SM 2.0 but has been removed for SM 2.1 because the 
reports basically went nowhere (no-one picked them up). Bug:



SM 2.1 website compatibility should be better in general, though, since 
it now advertises itself as Firefox in addition to SeaMonkey.


HTH

Jens

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'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

[Arnie Goetchius]

According to the latest download of Seamonkey 2.1b2pre there is a 
process to report broken web sites as described in the following paragraph:


"SeaMonkey comes with a new tool for reporting broken web sites 
(available through the Custom Install option). From the 'Help' menu, 
select 'Report Broken Web Site' and provide as much information as you 
can about the issue that you are encountering."


I did a custom install but did not see anywhere that I could load that 
option. When I click on the "Help" menu, I don't see 'Report Broken Web 
Site'. Is this in the future? Sounds like a terrific idea.

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