Re: Lightning in SeaMonkey 2.33
Ed Mullen wrote: mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 3/24/2015 6:18 PM: Rob Steinmetz wrote: mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Rob Steinmetz wrote: I have no new extensions I have only: LookOut+ Remove Duplicates Did you try disabling them and restarting SeaMonkey? I'm not familiar with LookOut+, but it sounds like something to do with interacting with MS Outlook. A quick look mentions it doing something with iCalendar (ics) files, so may well interfere with Lightning in some way. I just tried disabling extensions but it didn't change anything. It still doesn't work. The previous version of Lightning worked just fine with them It's possible that a new version of Lightning or one of those may have introduced a conflict. If disabling those add-ons allows Lightning to work, that would be useful information for the developers of the add-ons involved, and a possible workaround while you wait for a fix. Safe mode is no use here, since it disables all add-ons, but it may be worth creating a new profile and see if Lightning works there. Tools > Switch Profile > Manage Profiles, create a new profile then use it. You might also need to install lightning into that profile. This may not be a permanent solution, but at least gives information as to whether it's something in your profile causing the problem. You can switch back to your usual profile (usually named "default") after trying this. I forgot to mention I created a new profile. I had to load Lightning into it. It has the same problem as the original. About the only other thing I can think to try is to back up your profile (just in case), uninstall SeaMonkey, and reinstall using the latest installer. That might fix something which a series of updates hasn't properly applied. The problem with your suggestion is that uninstalling SM will NOT delete the SM profile. When you re-install SM it will find the old profile and use it. So, if the issue is with the profile you've accomplished nothing. The right way to do it is to create a new "plain" profile and direct SM to use it. Then, one-by-one, add back the extensions, restart, test, and see if the issue returns. Then you have the culprit. I'd already suggested a new profile, and Rob mentioned above that it didn't help. I agree a reinstall is unlikely to help, but just thought a series of updates might have left something behind which a fresh install might clean up. I recently cured a months-long performance issue in SM by deleting all profiles and files, creating a new one, and painstakingly recreating all of my mail and news accounts. Problem solved. No idea to this day what the issue was but it's gone. It's sometimes possible to work it out by comparing the old and new profiles, but it is probably easier to do as you did and port important stuff to a working new profile rather than fix the old one. Mark. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Lightning in SeaMonkey 2.33
On 24.03.15 23:18, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Rob Steinmetz wrote: mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Rob Steinmetz wrote: I have no new extensions I have only: LookOut+ Remove Duplicates Did you try disabling them and restarting SeaMonkey? I'm not familiar with LookOut+, but it sounds like something to do with interacting with MS Outlook. A quick look mentions it doing something with iCalendar (ics) files, so may well interfere with Lightning in some way. I just tried disabling extensions but it didn't change anything. It still doesn't work. The previous version of Lightning worked just fine with them It's possible that a new version of Lightning or one of those may have introduced a conflict. If disabling those add-ons allows Lightning to work, that would be useful information for the developers of the add-ons involved, and a possible workaround while you wait for a fix. Safe mode is no use here, since it disables all add-ons, but it may be worth creating a new profile and see if Lightning works there. Tools > Switch Profile > Manage Profiles, create a new profile then use it. You might also need to install lightning into that profile. This may not be a permanent solution, but at least gives information as to whether it's something in your profile causing the problem. You can switch back to your usual profile (usually named "default") after trying this. I forgot to mention I created a new profile. I had to load Lightning into it. It has the same problem as the original. About the only other thing I can think to try is to back up your profile (just in case), uninstall SeaMonkey, and reinstall using the latest installer. That might fix something which a series of updates hasn't properly applied. Other than that, I'm out of ideas other than the possibility that Windows XP is the problem. It would be useful to know if anyone else has SeaMonkey 2.33 / Lightning 3.8b2 working on Windows XP... Mark. Spellcheck got clobbered(GB 2.25 and NL 2.25). Shit. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Lightning in SeaMonkey 2.33
mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 3/24/2015 6:18 PM: Rob Steinmetz wrote: mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Rob Steinmetz wrote: I have no new extensions I have only: LookOut+ Remove Duplicates Did you try disabling them and restarting SeaMonkey? I'm not familiar with LookOut+, but it sounds like something to do with interacting with MS Outlook. A quick look mentions it doing something with iCalendar (ics) files, so may well interfere with Lightning in some way. I just tried disabling extensions but it didn't change anything. It still doesn't work. The previous version of Lightning worked just fine with them It's possible that a new version of Lightning or one of those may have introduced a conflict. If disabling those add-ons allows Lightning to work, that would be useful information for the developers of the add-ons involved, and a possible workaround while you wait for a fix. Safe mode is no use here, since it disables all add-ons, but it may be worth creating a new profile and see if Lightning works there. Tools > Switch Profile > Manage Profiles, create a new profile then use it. You might also need to install lightning into that profile. This may not be a permanent solution, but at least gives information as to whether it's something in your profile causing the problem. You can switch back to your usual profile (usually named "default") after trying this. I forgot to mention I created a new profile. I had to load Lightning into it. It has the same problem as the original. About the only other thing I can think to try is to back up your profile (just in case), uninstall SeaMonkey, and reinstall using the latest installer. That might fix something which a series of updates hasn't properly applied. The problem with your suggestion is that uninstalling SM will NOT delete the SM profile. When you re-install SM it will find the old profile and use it. So, if the issue is with the profile you've accomplished nothing. The right way to do it is to create a new "plain" profile and direct SM to use it. Then, one-by-one, add back the extensions, restart, test, and see if the issue returns. Then you have the culprit. I recently cured a months-long performance issue in SM by deleting all profiles and files, creating a new one, and painstakingly recreating all of my mail and news accounts. Problem solved. No idea to this day what the issue was but it's gone. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ A waist is a terrible thing to mind. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Lightning in SeaMonkey 2.33
Rob Steinmetz wrote: mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Rob Steinmetz wrote: I have no new extensions I have only: LookOut+ Remove Duplicates Did you try disabling them and restarting SeaMonkey? I'm not familiar with LookOut+, but it sounds like something to do with interacting with MS Outlook. A quick look mentions it doing something with iCalendar (ics) files, so may well interfere with Lightning in some way. I just tried disabling extensions but it didn't change anything. It still doesn't work. The previous version of Lightning worked just fine with them It's possible that a new version of Lightning or one of those may have introduced a conflict. If disabling those add-ons allows Lightning to work, that would be useful information for the developers of the add-ons involved, and a possible workaround while you wait for a fix. Safe mode is no use here, since it disables all add-ons, but it may be worth creating a new profile and see if Lightning works there. Tools > Switch Profile > Manage Profiles, create a new profile then use it. You might also need to install lightning into that profile. This may not be a permanent solution, but at least gives information as to whether it's something in your profile causing the problem. You can switch back to your usual profile (usually named "default") after trying this. I forgot to mention I created a new profile. I had to load Lightning into it. It has the same problem as the original. About the only other thing I can think to try is to back up your profile (just in case), uninstall SeaMonkey, and reinstall using the latest installer. That might fix something which a series of updates hasn't properly applied. Other than that, I'm out of ideas other than the possibility that Windows XP is the problem. It would be useful to know if anyone else has SeaMonkey 2.33 / Lightning 3.8b2 working on Windows XP... Mark. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Lightning in SeaMonkey 2.33
See my comments below. mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: I have no new extensions I have only: LookOut+ Remove Duplicates Did you try disabling them and restarting SeaMonkey? I'm not familiar with LookOut+, but it sounds like something to do with interacting with MS Outlook. A quick look mentions it doing something with iCalendar (ics) files, so may well interfere with Lightning in some way. I just tried disabling extensions but it didn't change anything. It still doesn't work. The previous version of Lightning worked just fine with them It's possible that a new version of Lightning or one of those may have introduced a conflict. If disabling those add-ons allows Lightning to work, that would be useful information for the developers of the add-ons involved, and a possible workaround while you wait for a fix. Safe mode is no use here, since it disables all add-ons, but it may be worth creating a new profile and see if Lightning works there. Tools > Switch Profile > Manage Profiles, create a new profile then use it. You might also need to install lightning into that profile. This may not be a permanent solution, but at least gives information as to whether it's something in your profile causing the problem. You can switch back to your usual profile (usually named "default") after trying this. I forgot to mention I created a new profile. I had to load Lightning into it. It has the same problem as the original. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Lightning in SeaMonkey 2.33
Rob Steinmetz wrote: Please see my answers below. mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Which language do you have SeaMonkey set to use? Lightning 3.7b1 seemed to be missing most languages, and I wonder if 3.8b2 still has problems in languages other than English? The Only Language installed US English What other extensions do you have installed? May be a conflict with one of those. Perhaps try going to Tools > Add-ons Manager > Extensions and disabling all except Lightning, then restart and see if Lightning works. I have no new extensions I have only: LookOut+ Remove Duplicates Did you try disabling them and restarting SeaMonkey? I'm not familiar with LookOut+, but it sounds like something to do with interacting with MS Outlook. A quick look mentions it doing something with iCalendar (ics) files, so may well interfere with Lightning in some way. The previous version of Lightning workd just fine with them It's possible that a new version of Lightning or one of those may have introduced a conflict. If disabling those add-ons allows Lightning to work, that would be useful information for the developers of the add-ons involved, and a possible workaround while you wait for a fix. Safe mode is no use here, since it disables all add-ons, but it may be worth creating a new profile and see if Lightning works there. Tools > Switch Profile > Manage Profiles, create a new profile then use it. You might also need to install lightning into that profile. This may not be a permanent solution, but at least gives information as to whether it's something in your profile causing the problem. You can switch back to your usual profile (usually named "default") after trying this. Hopefully those checks will give some clues... Mark. I have seem reports of both Windows 7 and Windows 8 not working and reports of both working. Yep. The challenge is to work out what's different between those setups... Mark. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Lightning in SeaMonkey 2.33
Please see my answers below. mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Which language do you have SeaMonkey set to use? Lightning 3.7b1 seemed to be missing most languages, and I wonder if 3.8b2 still has problems in languages other than English? The Only Language installed US English What other extensions do you have installed? May be a conflict with one of those. Perhaps try going to Tools > Add-ons Manager > Extensions and disabling all except Lightning, then restart and see if Lightning works. I have no new extensions I have only: LookOut+ Remove Duplicates The previous version of Lightning workd just fine with them Safe mode is no use here, since it disables all add-ons, but it may be worth creating a new profile and see if Lightning works there. Tools > Switch Profile > Manage Profiles, create a new profile then use it. You might also need to install lightning into that profile. This may not be a permanent solution, but at least gives information as to whether it's something in your profile causing the problem. You can switch back to your usual profile (usually named "default") after trying this. Hopefully those checks will give some clues... Mark. I have seem reports of both Windows 7 and Windows 8 not working and reports of both working. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Lightning in SeaMonkey 2.33
Michael Ströder wrote: Could you please point us to the exact URL? For me 3.8b1 build 2 works for me on openSUSE Linux x86_64 but not on Windows 8.1. I can't see any 3.8b2 on [1]. Or is 3.8b1 candidate build 2 what you really meant? Ciao, Michael. [1] https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/candidates/ I usually get them from here. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/lightning/versions/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Lightning in SeaMonkey 2.33
Wolf wrote: Am 20.03.2015 um 08:06 schrieb David C. Mores: Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote: On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 17:56:00 -0400, Rob Steinmetz wrote: I just upgraded to 2.33 and Lightning is broke, at least on my computer. I upgraded to Lightning 3.8b2 and nothing works. I tried the calendar.icaljs fix posed elsewhere but it was already set to false. Any ideas I don't seem to be alone but it is apparently somewhat random. You need Lightning 3.9b. Same problem here. However, 3.9b is for SM 2.34 and is incompatible with 2.33. SM 2.34 is not available for download yet. at least it is working under Linux (Ubuntuzilla). *Seamonkey 2.33 works with lightning-3.8b2-sm+tb-linux*. Could you please point us to the exact URL? For me 3.8b1 build 2 works for me on openSUSE Linux x86_64 but not on Windows 8.1. I can't see any 3.8b2 on [1]. Or is 3.8b1 candidate build 2 what you really meant? Ciao, Michael. [1] https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/candidates/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Lightning in SeaMonkey 2.33
Robert Steinmetz wrote: On 03/20/2015 04:58 PM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Rob Steinmetz wrote: I just upgraded to 2.33 and Lightning is broke, at least on my computer. I upgraded to Lightning 3.8b2 and nothing works. I tried the calendar.icaljs fix posed elsewhere but it was already set to false. Any ideas I don't seem to be alone but it is apparently somewhat random. Works fine for me - SeaMonkey 2.33 and Lightning 3.8b2 on Windows Vista. What does "nothing works" mean? Does SeaMonkey not even start with Lightning installed? Does it start but crash immediately? Does SeaMonkey start OK, but there's no "Events and Tasks" menu in mail & news? Does Lightning show up in the Extensions section of add-ons manager? Does that give any clues as to why its not working (e.g. it might be disabled)? Mark. Seamonkey works as usual however whenever the calendar or tasks tabs is open the toll bar is greyed out and the calendar pane is blank, no dates or events. When I receive an invitation by email it does not open or get makes as read. So you've got the "Events and Tasks" menu, and can open the Calendar and Tasks tabs, but they come up blank? I think I may have had something similar one time when I upgraded SeaMonkey but Lightning didn't update to the correct version to match. Check your SeaMonkey and Lightning versions, to make sure the upgrades have installed correctly: - Help > About SeaMonkey should show version 2.33 - Tools > Add-ons Manager > Extensions > Lightning should be 3.8b2 Some extensions install separately for each user / profile, so it may be that Lightning has been updated for one user but not others. It looks like your original message was sent from Windows XP? I don't know if that might be a problem; anyone successfully running SeaMonkey 2.33 / Lightning 3.8b2 on Windows XP please chime in! Which language do you have SeaMonkey set to use? Lightning 3.7b1 seemed to be missing most languages, and I wonder if 3.8b2 still has problems in languages other than English? What other extensions do you have installed? May be a conflict with one of those. Perhaps try going to Tools > Add-ons Manager > Extensions and disabling all except Lightning, then restart and see if Lightning works. Safe mode is no use here, since it disables all add-ons, but it may be worth creating a new profile and see if Lightning works there. Tools > Switch Profile > Manage Profiles, create a new profile then use it. You might also need to install lightning into that profile. This may not be a permanent solution, but at least gives information as to whether it's something in your profile causing the problem. You can switch back to your usual profile (usually named "default") after trying this. Hopefully those checks will give some clues... Mark. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Lightning in SeaMonkey 2.33
On 03/20/2015 04:58 PM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Rob Steinmetz wrote: I just upgraded to 2.33 and Lightning is broke, at least on my computer. I upgraded to Lightning 3.8b2 and nothing works. I tried the calendar.icaljs fix posed elsewhere but it was already set to false. Any ideas I don't seem to be alone but it is apparently somewhat random. Works fine for me - SeaMonkey 2.33 and Lightning 3.8b2 on Windows Vista. What does "nothing works" mean? Does SeaMonkey not even start with Lightning installed? Does it start but crash immediately? Does SeaMonkey start OK, but there's no "Events and Tasks" menu in mail & news? Does Lightning show up in the Extensions section of add-ons manager? Does that give any clues as to why its not working (e.g. it might be disabled)? Mark. Seamonkey works as usual however whenever the calendar or tasks tabs is open the toll bar is greyed out and the calendar pane is blank, no dates or events. When I receive an invitation by email it does not open or get makes as read. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Lightning in SeaMonkey 2.33
Rob Steinmetz wrote: I just upgraded to 2.33 and Lightning is broke, at least on my computer. I upgraded to Lightning 3.8b2 and nothing works. I tried the calendar.icaljs fix posed elsewhere but it was already set to false. Any ideas I don't seem to be alone but it is apparently somewhat random. Works fine for me - SeaMonkey 2.33 and Lightning 3.8b2 on Windows Vista. What does "nothing works" mean? Does SeaMonkey not even start with Lightning installed? Does it start but crash immediately? Does SeaMonkey start OK, but there's no "Events and Tasks" menu in mail & news? Does Lightning show up in the Extensions section of add-ons manager? Does that give any clues as to why its not working (e.g. it might be disabled)? Mark. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Lightning in SeaMonkey 2.33
Rob Steinmetz wrote: What is the extension that disables validity checking? Then I could go back to the previous version which did work. Ronnie wrote: Yes sorry for the typo, I meant 2.33 I disabled validity checks and reinstalled 3.3.3. After that I had the newer versions it didn't work. It seems to have wiped out all of my calendars and won't let me add a new one. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Lightning in SeaMonkey 2.33
What is the extension that disables validity checking? Then I could go back to the previous version which did work. Ronnie wrote: Yes sorry for the typo, I meant 2.33 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Lightning in SeaMonkey 2.33
So it seems to be a Windows only issue? I've seens some people post that they have it working under Windows. It hasn't worked for me yet. Wolf wrote: at least it is working under Linux (Ubuntuzilla). *Seamonkey 2.33 works with lightning-3.8b2-sm+tb-linux*. regards Wolf ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Lightning in SeaMonkey 2.33
Am 20.03.2015 um 08:06 schrieb David C. Mores: Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote: On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 17:56:00 -0400, Rob Steinmetz wrote: I just upgraded to 2.33 and Lightning is broke, at least on my computer. I upgraded to Lightning 3.8b2 and nothing works. I tried the calendar.icaljs fix posed elsewhere but it was already set to false. Any ideas I don't seem to be alone but it is apparently somewhat random. You need Lightning 3.9b. Same problem here. However, 3.9b is for SM 2.34 and is incompatible with 2.33. SM 2.34 is not available for download yet. at least it is working under Linux (Ubuntuzilla). *Seamonkey 2.33 works with lightning-3.8b2-sm+tb-linux*. regards Wolf -- OS: Linux Mint 13, MATE, 32-bit ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Lightning in SeaMonkey 2.33
Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote: On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 17:56:00 -0400, Rob Steinmetz wrote: I just upgraded to 2.33 and Lightning is broke, at least on my computer. I upgraded to Lightning 3.8b2 and nothing works. I tried the calendar.icaljs fix posed elsewhere but it was already set to false. Any ideas I don't seem to be alone but it is apparently somewhat random. You need Lightning 3.9b. Same problem here. However, 3.9b is for SM 2.34 and is incompatible with 2.33. SM 2.34 is not available for download yet. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Lightning in SeaMonkey 2.33
Yes sorry for the typo, I meant 2.33 WaltS48 wrote: > On 03/19/2015 06:22 PM, Ronnie wrote: >> Lightning 3.3.3 seems to be working here with SM 2.3.3 but I'm using the >> compatibility extension that disables checks. However I only use it >> lightly perhaps some more advanced features aren't working. > > > That's really nice that Lightning 3.3.3 works with SeaMonkey 2.3.3, > but does it work with the current version 2.33. > > >> >> >> Rob Steinmetz wrote: >>> I just upgraded to 2.33 and Lightning is broke, at least on my >>> computer. I upgraded to Lightning 3.8b2 and nothing works. I tried the >>> calendar.icaljs fix posed elsewhere but it was already set to false. >>> >>> Any ideas I don't seem to be alone but it is apparently somewhat >>> random. > > ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Lightning in SeaMonkey 2.33
On 03/19/2015 06:22 PM, Ronnie wrote: Lightning 3.3.3 seems to be working here with SM 2.3.3 but I'm using the compatibility extension that disables checks. However I only use it lightly perhaps some more advanced features aren't working. That's really nice that Lightning 3.3.3 works with SeaMonkey 2.3.3, but does it work with the current version 2.33. Rob Steinmetz wrote: I just upgraded to 2.33 and Lightning is broke, at least on my computer. I upgraded to Lightning 3.8b2 and nothing works. I tried the calendar.icaljs fix posed elsewhere but it was already set to false. Any ideas I don't seem to be alone but it is apparently somewhat random. -- Kubuntu 14.10 | KDE 4.14.1 | Thunderbird 38.0a2(Earlybird) [Coexist - Understanding Across Divides](https://www.coexist.org/) Proofreader wanted - apply online. ;) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Lightning in SeaMonkey 2.33
Lightning 3.3.3 seems to be working here with SM 2.3.3 but I'm using the compatibility extension that disables checks. However I only use it lightly perhaps some more advanced features aren't working. Rob Steinmetz wrote: > I just upgraded to 2.33 and Lightning is broke, at least on my > computer. I upgraded to Lightning 3.8b2 and nothing works. I tried the > calendar.icaljs fix posed elsewhere but it was already set to false. > > Any ideas I don't seem to be alone but it is apparently somewhat random. > ___ > support-seamonkey mailing list > support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey > ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Lightning in SeaMonkey 2.33
I just upgraded to 2.33 and Lightning is broke, at least on my computer. I upgraded to Lightning 3.8b2 and nothing works. I tried the calendar.icaljs fix posed elsewhere but it was already set to false. Any ideas I don't seem to be alone but it is apparently somewhat random. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey