Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-09 Thread Ant 

On 5/8/2016 5:28 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 05/07/2016 04:07 PM, Ant wrote:

On 5/7/2016 5:42 AM, WaltS48 wrote:


The new look went live today. Like it, but annoyed I have to click the
Almanac link to get yesterday's history, when I could just stay on the
home page before.


Is that link going to wunderground.com?


I haven't used the Network tool in Firefox to see what all loads from
the Almanac link, but the URL indicates
weather.com/weather/monthly/(location)


Hmm, it must be a different link then. I haven't see any Almanac links.


It's under the Almanac heading and is actually named "Records & Averages
➡", if I have to be that specific.


Ah thanks. I was on a different web page on weather.com. :)
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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-08 Thread WaltS48 

On 05/07/2016 04:07 PM, Ant wrote:

On 5/7/2016 5:42 AM, WaltS48 wrote:


The new look went live today. Like it, but annoyed I have to click the
Almanac link to get yesterday's history, when I could just stay on the
home page before.


Is that link going to wunderground.com?


I haven't used the Network tool in Firefox to see what all loads from
the Almanac link, but the URL indicates
weather.com/weather/monthly/(location)


Hmm, it must be a different link then. I haven't see any Almanac links.


It's under the Almanac heading and is actually named "Records & Averages 
➡", if I have to be that specific.


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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-07 Thread Ant 

On 5/7/2016 5:42 AM, WaltS48 wrote:


The new look went live today. Like it, but annoyed I have to click the
Almanac link to get yesterday's history, when I could just stay on the
home page before.


Is that link going to wunderground.com?


I haven't used the Network tool in Firefox to see what all loads from
the Almanac link, but the URL indicates
weather.com/weather/monthly/(location)


Hmm, it must be a different link then. I haven't see any Almanac links.
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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-07 Thread WaltS48 

On 05/07/2016 05:14 AM, Ant wrote:

On 5/6/2016 7:11 AM, WaltS48 wrote:


The new look went live today. Like it, but annoyed I have to click the
Almanac link to get yesterday's history, when I could just stay on the
home page before.


Is that link going to wunderground.com?


I haven't used the Network tool in Firefox to see what all loads from 
the Almanac link, but the URL indicates 
weather.com/weather/monthly/(location)

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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-07 Thread Ant 

On 5/6/2016 7:11 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
...

Did users using a browser below Firefox 43.0 or SeaMonkey 2.40 have the
site work, or see the update nag.


I think the older Firefox web version users had issues too. I don't 
remember the details. SeaMonkey v2.40 was using Firefox v43 according to 
its "User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/43.0 SeaMonkey/2.40".




The new look went live today. Like it, but annoyed I have to click the
Almanac link to get yesterday's history, when I could just stay on the
home page before.


Is that link going to wunderground.com?
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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-06 Thread WaltS48 

On 05/06/2016 09:42 AM, Isaac Schemm wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 05/06/2016 01:54 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 5/05/2016 11:16 PM, dlemir...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm happy to see it fixed.  I'm among the naggers, and had some fun
with my complaint:


You don't have a relevant issue so I just picked one.

Your obsolete browser message is crappy and infuriating. I'm running
*Google Chrome* on a *Chromebook*, which is about as modern as you
can get, and the browser update page you link to tells me that *I*
need to update my browser. What nonsense. Meanwhile, users of
Seamonkey, which is a perfectly modern browser, based on the same
rendering engine as Firefox, get a study and annoying message that
their browser isn't supported, which far too many users read as "you
stupid obsolescent geezer, why don't you get with the 21st Century?".

Great public relations there on Weather.com's part.

Seamonkey works fine with Google Apps, which is a very modern heavily
scripted, fully interactive site, so what's so &$^&*(&)%^ special
about your "new" Weather.com that you have to make an issue of the
browser. Maybe *you* need to join the 21st Century and realize that
the browser wars are supposed to be over. And learn to process User
Agent strings properly so you can recognize a modern browser when you
see one.


I'm just glad it's fixed.  I think NetFlix is my next target.


Rather than telling them to sniff for SeaMonkey, why not have them
sniff for the "gecko" process  that way they'll fix their website
for several browsers!!

You could do worse than send them to http://geckoisgecko.org/ 
might be old, but the relevant information probably still applies!



In every browser I have installed, the UA String starts out with
Mozilla/5.0. For browser sniffing it seems that would be good enough.

The proper way is to feature sniff, which is what they might have been
doing, and SeaMonkey didn't cut the mustard on being up to date on
enabled features. 

Except for IE and Edge, I have Brave 0.9.0, Chromium 49.0.2623.108,
Firefox(release, beta, nightly), Opera 37.0.2178.32, SeaMonkey 2.46a1
(nightly), and Vivaldi 1.1.453.52 installed on my system.

SeaMonkey 2.46a1 did not get the nag at weather.com. My test of 2.40
did. Is it because SeaMonkey 2.46a1 based on Gecko 49 was feature
enabled for what weather.com was offering. 

Happy camper that SM 2.40 users are now in the happy camper camp.



weather.com wasn't happy with Firefox 43 either at the time. I think 
it was ignoring SeaMonkey and just looking at the "Firefox/" part of 
the user agent string.


IIRC, when IE 11 came out, there were problems where it was detected 
as Firefox 11 (old version) because it has "like Gecko" in the UA string.


Because of browser sniffing or feature sniffing?

Did users using a browser below Firefox 43.0 or SeaMonkey 2.40 have the 
site work, or see the update nag.


The new look went live today. Like it, but annoyed I have to click the 
Almanac link to get yesterday's history, when I could just stay on the 
home page before.


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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-06 Thread Isaac Schemm 

WaltS48 wrote:

On 05/06/2016 01:54 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 5/05/2016 11:16 PM, dlemir...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm happy to see it fixed.  I'm among the naggers, and had some fun
with my complaint:


You don't have a relevant issue so I just picked one.

Your obsolete browser message is crappy and infuriating. I'm running
*Google Chrome* on a *Chromebook*, which is about as modern as you
can get, and the browser update page you link to tells me that *I*
need to update my browser. What nonsense. Meanwhile, users of
Seamonkey, which is a perfectly modern browser, based on the same
rendering engine as Firefox, get a study and annoying message that
their browser isn't supported, which far too many users read as "you
stupid obsolescent geezer, why don't you get with the 21st Century?".

Great public relations there on Weather.com's part.

Seamonkey works fine with Google Apps, which is a very modern heavily
scripted, fully interactive site, so what's so &$^&*(&)%^ special
about your "new" Weather.com that you have to make an issue of the
browser. Maybe *you* need to join the 21st Century and realize that
the browser wars are supposed to be over. And learn to process User
Agent strings properly so you can recognize a modern browser when you
see one.


I'm just glad it's fixed.  I think NetFlix is my next target.


Rather than telling them to sniff for SeaMonkey, why not have them
sniff for the "gecko" process  that way they'll fix their website
for several browsers!!

You could do worse than send them to http://geckoisgecko.org/ 
might be old, but the relevant information probably still applies!



In every browser I have installed, the UA String starts out with
Mozilla/5.0. For browser sniffing it seems that would be good enough.

The proper way is to feature sniff, which is what they might have been
doing, and SeaMonkey didn't cut the mustard on being up to date on
enabled features. 

Except for IE and Edge, I have Brave 0.9.0, Chromium 49.0.2623.108,
Firefox(release, beta, nightly), Opera 37.0.2178.32, SeaMonkey 2.46a1
(nightly), and Vivaldi 1.1.453.52 installed on my system.

SeaMonkey 2.46a1 did not get the nag at weather.com. My test of 2.40
did. Is it because SeaMonkey 2.46a1 based on Gecko 49 was feature
enabled for what weather.com was offering. 

Happy camper that SM 2.40 users are now in the happy camper camp.



weather.com wasn't happy with Firefox 43 either at the time. I think it 
was ignoring SeaMonkey and just looking at the "Firefox/" part of the 
user agent string.


IIRC, when IE 11 came out, there were problems where it was detected as 
Firefox 11 (old version) because it has "like Gecko" in the UA string.

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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-06 Thread WaltS48 

On 05/06/2016 01:54 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 5/05/2016 11:16 PM, dlemir...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm happy to see it fixed.  I'm among the naggers, and had some fun 
with my complaint:



You don't have a relevant issue so I just picked one.

Your obsolete browser message is crappy and infuriating. I'm running 
*Google Chrome* on a *Chromebook*, which is about as modern as you 
can get, and the browser update page you link to tells me that *I* 
need to update my browser. What nonsense. Meanwhile, users of 
Seamonkey, which is a perfectly modern browser, based on the same 
rendering engine as Firefox, get a study and annoying message that 
their browser isn't supported, which far too many users read as "you 
stupid obsolescent geezer, why don't you get with the 21st Century?".


Great public relations there on Weather.com's part.

Seamonkey works fine with Google Apps, which is a very modern heavily 
scripted, fully interactive site, so what's so &$^&*(&)%^ special 
about your "new" Weather.com that you have to make an issue of the 
browser. Maybe *you* need to join the 21st Century and realize that 
the browser wars are supposed to be over. And learn to process User 
Agent strings properly so you can recognize a modern browser when you 
see one.



I'm just glad it's fixed.  I think NetFlix is my next target.


Rather than telling them to sniff for SeaMonkey, why not have them 
sniff for the "gecko" process  that way they'll fix their website 
for several browsers!!


You could do worse than send them to http://geckoisgecko.org/  
might be old, but the relevant information probably still applies!




In every browser I have installed, the UA String starts out with 
Mozilla/5.0. For browser sniffing it seems that would be good enough.


The proper way is to feature sniff, which is what they might have been 
doing, and SeaMonkey didn't cut the mustard on being up to date on 
enabled features. 


Except for IE and Edge, I have Brave 0.9.0, Chromium 49.0.2623.108, 
Firefox(release, beta, nightly), Opera 37.0.2178.32, SeaMonkey 2.46a1 
(nightly), and Vivaldi 1.1.453.52 installed on my system.


SeaMonkey 2.46a1 did not get the nag at weather.com. My test of 2.40 
did. Is it because SeaMonkey 2.46a1 based on Gecko 49 was feature 
enabled for what weather.com was offering. 


Happy camper that SM 2.40 users are now in the happy camper camp.

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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-06 Thread Desiree 

On 5/3/2016 9:39 AM, Ant wrote:

"Upgrade now!
Don't miss out on a better weather.com.

We no longer support this version of the browser. Please upgrade to
ensure you get the best weather.com experience possible.

  Internet Explorer Icon Firefox Icon Chrome Icon Safari Icon

Have questions? --
http://feedback.weather.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2355405-why-do-i-need-to-update-my-browser?=twc-older-browser-overlay

I'm not interested in upgrading"


Uh huh. SeaMonkey web browsers are based on Firefox's Gecko engines! :(

What an awful site.  It is unusable on Fx 43, Pale Moon 25.8.1 x64, 
SeaMonkey 2.40.  It tries to force a font that tracks you.  I have 
protection in all browsers against crap like that.


I don't get any warning on any browser about using an "outdated" 
browser.  I can see the main page on Fx 43 ONLY.  Other browsers display 
a blank page.  Even on Fx when I try to visit other pages there, or the 
map, I then get blank pages. If I go to the Google site on Fx 43 trying 
to force the spying font I get exactly the same blank page with blank 
rectangular areas on the page.  I use the strictest of the Disconnect 
Block lists that Tracking Protection that I have enabled for the browser 
(not just in Private mode) generally on Fx 43 and Mozilla is blocking 
that tracking font.  That site insists on using its own font because it 
tracks you.  uMatrix blocks that font also and I have it on Pale Moon 
and Fx.  I won't be visiting that site again.

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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-05 Thread Daniel 

On 5/05/2016 11:16 PM, dlemir...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm happy to see it fixed.  I'm among the naggers, and had some fun with my 
complaint:


You don't have a relevant issue so I just picked one.

Your obsolete browser message is crappy and infuriating. I'm running *Google Chrome* on a 
*Chromebook*, which is about as modern as you can get, and the browser update page you 
link to tells me that *I* need to update my browser. What nonsense. Meanwhile, users of 
Seamonkey, which is a perfectly modern browser, based on the same rendering engine as 
Firefox, get a study and annoying message that their browser isn't supported, which far 
too many users read as "you stupid obsolescent geezer, why don't you get with the 
21st Century?".

Great public relations there on Weather.com's part.

Seamonkey works fine with Google Apps, which is a very modern heavily scripted, fully interactive 
site, so what's so &$^&*(&)%^ special about your "new" Weather.com that you 
have to make an issue of the browser. Maybe *you* need to join the 21st Century and realize that the 
browser wars are supposed to be over. And learn to process User Agent strings properly so you can 
recognize a modern browser when you see one.


I'm just glad it's fixed.  I think NetFlix is my next target.


Rather than telling them to sniff for SeaMonkey, why not have them sniff 
for the "gecko" process  that way they'll fix their website for 
several browsers!!


You could do worse than send them to http://geckoisgecko.org/  might 
be old, but the relevant information probably still applies!


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Daniel

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.40 Build identifier: 20160120202951

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-05 Thread cmcadams 

WaltS48 wrote:

On 05/04/2016 10:42 PM, cmcadams wrote:

Big Jim wrote:

On 5/4/2016 10:19 PM, Ant wrote:

...

MAY 04, 2016  |  08:39AM EDT
LaToya replied:

We apologize for your difficulties in accessing our site due to the
recent introduction of a browser check and request to upgrade your
browser. We have introduced new features to our site to update its use
and some of these features are only explicitly supported by newer
mainstream browser versions. It’s good to hear you did not have issues
with our new features in your browser or older version of the browser,
so our development team will loosen the upgrade rules so your browser
will not get this check and message.
+

No changes yet. I'll guess their geniuses are attempting to finesse the
issue, somehow.


Wow, yours was similiar to what I got earlier today. :/


The weather.com web site now displays correctly, without showing the nag 
screen. They
must have actually listened to us!


I'll bet it's hard to ignore an inbox clogged with complaints. :)


How many SeaMonkey users go there? There's only a little over 100,000 of you at 
last
check. I don't think you clogged the Inbox. Nice they listened. 



I think it's likely we weren't alone. They passed-go on only the latest of a few 
browsers.


At any rate I'm gotting multiple apology emails from weather.com.
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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-05 Thread cmcadams 

Ant wrote:

On 5/4/2016 7:42 PM, cmcadams wrote:
...

The weather.com web site now displays correctly, without showing the
nag screen. They
must have actually listened to us!


I'll bet it's hard to ignore an inbox clogged with complaints. :)


I wonder how many complaints? All from us? [grin]


A nice thought, but probably not. :/
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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-05 Thread dlemire60 
I'm happy to see it fixed.  I'm among the naggers, and had some fun with my 
complaint:


You don't have a relevant issue so I just picked one.

Your obsolete browser message is crappy and infuriating. I'm running *Google 
Chrome* on a *Chromebook*, which is about as modern as you can get, and the 
browser update page you link to tells me that *I* need to update my browser. 
What nonsense. Meanwhile, users of Seamonkey, which is a perfectly modern 
browser, based on the same rendering engine as Firefox, get a study and 
annoying message that their browser isn't supported, which far too many users 
read as "you stupid obsolescent geezer, why don't you get with the 21st 
Century?". 

Great public relations there on Weather.com's part. 

Seamonkey works fine with Google Apps, which is a very modern heavily scripted, 
fully interactive site, so what's so &$^&*(&)%^ special about your "new" 
Weather.com that you have to make an issue of the browser. Maybe *you* need to 
join the 21st Century and realize that the browser wars are supposed to be 
over. And learn to process User Agent strings properly so you can recognize a 
modern browser when you see one.


I'm just glad it's fixed.  I think NetFlix is my next target.



On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 8:36:12 AM UTC-4, Ant wrote:
> ...
>  MAY 04, 2016  |  08:39AM EDT
>  LaToya replied:
> 
>  We apologize for your difficulties in accessing our site due to the
>  recent introduction of a browser check and request to upgrade your
>  browser. We have introduced new features to our site to update its use
>  and some of these features are only explicitly supported by newer
>  mainstream browser versions. It's good to hear you did not have issues
>  with our new features in your browser or older version of the browser,
>  so our development team will loosen the upgrade rules so your browser
>  will not get this check and message.
>  +
> 
>  No changes yet. I'll guess their geniuses are attempting to finesse the
>  issue, somehow.
> >>>
> >>> Wow, yours was similiar to what I got earlier today. :/
> >>
> >> The weather.com web site now displays correctly, without showing the nag
> >> screen. They must have actually listened to us!
> >
> > They did:
> >
> > "...
> > MAY 05, 2016  |  07:26AM EDT
> >  LaToya replied:
> >
> >  Thank you for reporting this issue! Great news, this issue has been
> >  resolved! Please let me know if you continue to experience this issue.
> >
> >  Thanks for being a fan of The Weather Channel!
> > ..."
> 
> Another e-mail:
> 
> "...
>  MAY 05, 2016  |  08:04AM EDT
>  LaToya replied:
> 
>  You've recently reached out to us regarding difficulties in accessing
>  our site due to the recent introduction of a browser check and request
>  to upgrade your web browser. This issue has been resolved. When
>  accessing weather.com with an outdated browser you will receive a one
>  time pop up advisory to update your web browser. This update isn't
>  manditory and you have the option to exit out of the pop up message and
>  resume usage of weather.com. Please note that while updating your web
>  browser isn't manditory, some features are only supported by newer
>  mainstream browser versions. Thank you for your feedback!
> 
>  Thanks for being a fan of The Weather Channel!
> ..."
> 
> 
> :)
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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-05 Thread Ant 

...

MAY 04, 2016  |  08:39AM EDT
LaToya replied:

We apologize for your difficulties in accessing our site due to the
recent introduction of a browser check and request to upgrade your
browser. We have introduced new features to our site to update its use
and some of these features are only explicitly supported by newer
mainstream browser versions. It’s good to hear you did not have issues
with our new features in your browser or older version of the browser,
so our development team will loosen the upgrade rules so your browser
will not get this check and message.
+

No changes yet. I'll guess their geniuses are attempting to finesse the
issue, somehow.


Wow, yours was similiar to what I got earlier today. :/


The weather.com web site now displays correctly, without showing the nag
screen. They must have actually listened to us!


They did:

"...
MAY 05, 2016  |  07:26AM EDT
 LaToya replied:

 Thank you for reporting this issue! Great news, this issue has been
 resolved! Please let me know if you continue to experience this issue.

 Thanks for being a fan of The Weather Channel!
..."


Another e-mail:

"...
MAY 05, 2016  |  08:04AM EDT
LaToya replied:

You’ve recently reached out to us regarding difficulties in accessing
our site due to the recent introduction of a browser check and request
to upgrade your web browser. This issue has been resolved. When
accessing weather.com with an outdated browser you will receive a one
time pop up advisory to update your web browser. This update isn’t
manditory and you have the option to exit out of the pop up message and
resume usage of weather.com. Please note that while updating your web
browser isn’t manditory, some features are only supported by newer
mainstream browser versions. Thank you for your feedback!

Thanks for being a fan of The Weather Channel!
..."


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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-05 Thread Ant 

On 5/5/2016 5:09 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
...

The weather.com web site now displays correctly, without showing the
nag screen. They
must have actually listened to us!


I'll bet it's hard to ignore an inbox clogged with complaints. :)


How many SeaMonkey users go there? There's only a little over 100,000 of
you at last check. I don't think you clogged the Inbox. Nice they
listened. 


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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-05 Thread Ant 

On 5/4/2016 7:42 PM, cmcadams wrote:
...

The weather.com web site now displays correctly, without showing the
nag screen. They
must have actually listened to us!


I'll bet it's hard to ignore an inbox clogged with complaints. :)


I wonder how many complaints? All from us? [grin]
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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-05 Thread Ant 

On 5/4/2016 7:29 PM, Big Jim wrote:

On 5/4/2016 10:19 PM, Ant wrote:

...

MAY 04, 2016  |  08:39AM EDT
LaToya replied:

We apologize for your difficulties in accessing our site due to the
recent introduction of a browser check and request to upgrade your
browser. We have introduced new features to our site to update its use
and some of these features are only explicitly supported by newer
mainstream browser versions. It’s good to hear you did not have issues
with our new features in your browser or older version of the browser,
so our development team will loosen the upgrade rules so your browser
will not get this check and message.
+

No changes yet. I'll guess their geniuses are attempting to finesse the
issue, somehow.


Wow, yours was similiar to what I got earlier today. :/


The weather.com web site now displays correctly, without showing the nag
screen. They must have actually listened to us!


They did:

"...
   MAY 05, 2016  |  07:26AM EDT
LaToya replied:

Thank you for reporting this issue! Great news, this issue has been
resolved! Please let me know if you continue to experience this issue.

Thanks for being a fan of The Weather Channel!
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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-05 Thread WaltS48 

On 05/04/2016 10:42 PM, cmcadams wrote:

Big Jim wrote:

On 5/4/2016 10:19 PM, Ant wrote:

...

MAY 04, 2016  |  08:39AM EDT
LaToya replied:

We apologize for your difficulties in accessing our site due to the
recent introduction of a browser check and request to upgrade your
browser. We have introduced new features to our site to update its use
and some of these features are only explicitly supported by newer
mainstream browser versions. It’s good to hear you did not have issues
with our new features in your browser or older version of the browser,
so our development team will loosen the upgrade rules so your browser
will not get this check and message.
+

No changes yet. I'll guess their geniuses are attempting to finesse 
the

issue, somehow.


Wow, yours was similiar to what I got earlier today. :/


The weather.com web site now displays correctly, without showing the 
nag screen. They

must have actually listened to us!


I'll bet it's hard to ignore an inbox clogged with complaints. :)


How many SeaMonkey users go there? There's only a little over 100,000 of 
you at last check. I don't think you clogged the Inbox. Nice they 
listened. 


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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-04 Thread Felix Miata 

no...@nonospam.org composed on 2016-05-04 08:37 (UTC-0500):


Ant wrote:



Felix Miata wrote:

...

http://geckoisgecko.org/



Let's all do it! :)



That's a good idea, but input from the development team is likely to
carry more weight than input from the user community.


Sure, but the sea of ineptly constructed web sites is vastly larger than what 
the "development team" has resources to deal with. Users need to contribute 
to the cause directly. It can help, as this thread has shown. :-)

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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-04 Thread cmcadams 

Big Jim wrote:

On 5/4/2016 10:19 PM, Ant wrote:

...

MAY 04, 2016  |  08:39AM EDT
LaToya replied:

We apologize for your difficulties in accessing our site due to the
recent introduction of a browser check and request to upgrade your
browser. We have introduced new features to our site to update its use
and some of these features are only explicitly supported by newer
mainstream browser versions. It’s good to hear you did not have issues
with our new features in your browser or older version of the browser,
so our development team will loosen the upgrade rules so your browser
will not get this check and message.
+

No changes yet. I'll guess their geniuses are attempting to finesse the
issue, somehow.


Wow, yours was similiar to what I got earlier today. :/


The weather.com web site now displays correctly, without showing the nag 
screen. They
must have actually listened to us!


I'll bet it's hard to ignore an inbox clogged with complaints. :)
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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-04 Thread Big Jim 

On 5/4/2016 10:19 PM, Ant wrote:

...

MAY 04, 2016  |  08:39AM EDT
LaToya replied:

We apologize for your difficulties in accessing our site due to the
recent introduction of a browser check and request to upgrade your
browser. We have introduced new features to our site to update its use
and some of these features are only explicitly supported by newer
mainstream browser versions. It’s good to hear you did not have issues
with our new features in your browser or older version of the browser,
so our development team will loosen the upgrade rules so your browser
will not get this check and message.
+

No changes yet. I'll guess their geniuses are attempting to finesse the
issue, somehow.


Wow, yours was similiar to what I got earlier today. :/


The weather.com web site now displays correctly, without showing the nag 
screen. They must have actually listened to us!

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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-04 Thread Ant 

...

MAY 04, 2016  |  08:39AM EDT
LaToya replied:

We apologize for your difficulties in accessing our site due to the
recent introduction of a browser check and request to upgrade your
browser. We have introduced new features to our site to update its use
and some of these features are only explicitly supported by newer
mainstream browser versions. It’s good to hear you did not have issues
with our new features in your browser or older version of the browser,
so our development team will loosen the upgrade rules so your browser
will not get this check and message.
+

No changes yet. I'll guess their geniuses are attempting to finesse the
issue, somehow.


Wow, yours was similiar to what I got earlier today. :/
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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-04 Thread cmcadams 

Gordon Weast wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 05/04/2016 09:37 AM, no...@nonospam.org wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 5/3/2016 11:24 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

notme composed on 2016-05-04 00:56 (UTC-0500):


Has anyone from the SeaMonkey development team told these folks that
SeaMonkey is just a variation of Firefox?


Probably not. Why don't you? Here's a way to start:
http://geckoisgecko.org/


Let's all do it! :)


That's a good idea, but input from the development team is likely to
carry more weight than input from the user community.


You might have better luck reporting it at 


Web compatibility is about making sure web sites work consistently
across all browsers and devices.




Thank you for the suggestion.  I opened a problem with them.  Others
might want to comment as well here:

https://webcompat.com/issues/2517

Dave


I just tried weather.com with Seamonkey 2.40 and hit their nag dialog that won't
close at all.  I did manage to send a problem report and just got an email 
response
that they received it.

I don't know if anyone there will do anything about it though.  I let them know 
that
I won't be using their service or see any of their ads until they fix it.

The Intellicast web site works fine, so I'm switching back to that one for 
weather
radar and forecasts.

Gordon


Had the same problem with their interactive weather map at

http://www.weather.com/weather/map/interactive/l/USTX0327:1:US?interactiveMapLayer=radar=r

and sent them a msg about it last night. Received this response:

+
MAY 04, 2016  |  08:39AM EDT
LaToya replied:

We apologize for your difficulties in accessing our site due to the recent 
introduction of a browser check and request to upgrade your browser. We have 
introduced new features to our site to update its use and some of these features are 
only explicitly supported by newer mainstream browser versions. It’s good to hear you 
did not have issues with our new features in your browser or older version of the 
browser, so our development team will loosen the upgrade rules so your browser will 
not get this check and message.

+

No changes yet. I'll guess their geniuses are attempting to finesse the issue, 
somehow.
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2016-05-04 Thread Ant 

On 5/4/2016 10:01 AM, NFN Smith wrote:

Ant wrote:


I will be using http://geckoisgecko.org/ for now on. It's much better
than me having to explain it!



The intention there is good, but IMO, the value is somewhat limited, by
the fact that too much of the data is several years old.

...

Wow, last updated on Tuesday, August 24, 2010 1:07:20 PM. It needs to be 
updated badly! Who owns it? I couldn't find a contact method until I did 
a domain look up and found geckoisgecko@contactprivacy.com. I guess 
I will e-mail about its outdatedness.

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2016-05-04 Thread NFN Smith 

Ant wrote:


I will be using http://geckoisgecko.org/ for now on. It's much better
than me having to explain it!



The intention there is good, but IMO, the value is somewhat limited, by 
the fact that too much of the data is several years old.


Thus, almost everything there is either *very* obscure (e.g., K-meleon), 
or abandoned, or both.


And no mention of newer Gecko-based projects (e.g., Waterfox, IceFox, 
IceDragon, etc.), much less projects that support multiple rendering 
engines (such as Lunascape).


From a standpoint of developers, there is often an attitude of "We 
don't have the capacity of supporting every possible browser and 
operating system", and if every browser is viewed as a unique piece of 
software (even erroneously), that's reasonable.  A look at 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers shows just how many 
browser projects have been discontinued.


However, it's easy for developers to focus too closely on the UI and 
presentation to the user, and miss that, the vast majority of the time, 
the distinguishing factor is not the brand name, but the underlying 
rendering engine, and that most of the time, the brand name is irrelevant.


Most of the time, there is sufficient spoofing that it doesn't matter 
which browser you're using. It's noteworthy that the UA string for other 
browsers (including IE and Chrome) do spoof Mozilla,


Thus, if you go to 
http://www.useragentstring.com/pages/useragentstring.php, some 
interesting examples:


- Chrome 41: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, 
like Gecko) Chrome/41.0.2228.0 Safari/537.36


- IE 11 (on Win7-64): Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1) AppleWebKit/537.36 
(KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/41.0.2228.0 Safari/537.36


- Edge: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 
(KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/42.0.2311.135 Safari/537.36 Edge/12.246


- Safari 7: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_9_3) 
AppleWebKit/537.75.14 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/7.0.3 Safari/7046A194A


Unfortunately, there are brain-dead developers that are overly-insistent 
on searching for brand identity, than underlying capacity, and too 
clever, in knowing how to search for "Firefox", rather than for "Gecko".


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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-04 Thread Ant 

On 5/4/2016 6:09 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
...

That must stink for Internet Explorer users. =-O

The SeaMonkey development team added the "Advertise Firefox
compatibility" preference to Edit > Preferences > Advanced > HTTP
Networking many versions ago. As I understand it, to mitigate these
problems.

SeaMonkey 2.40 advertises itself as Firefox 43 compatible. If Firefox 43
works, and Firefox 38 ESR work then SeaMonkey 2.40 should also work.

The new Brave and Vivaldi browsers both display weather.com without a
problem.

Vivaldi's UA string is, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64)
AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/50.0.2661.94 Safari/537.36
Vivaldi/1.1.453.52. If they can sniff Chrome out of that they certainly
should be able to sniff Firefox from SeaMonkey's UA string.

It works in my SeaMonkey 2.46a1 Nightly development version. Mozilla/5.0
(X11; Linux x86_64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46a1

Quoting Ant from his second post in the thread.

I was able to get rid of it in my SM v2.40 (default UA).

He did not explain what (default UA) meant. Did setting it to the
default fix it? The default being Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:43.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/43.0 SeaMonkey/2.40?


My SM's help about shows "User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; 
rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/43.0 SeaMonkey/2.40".

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2016-05-04 Thread Ant 

`On 5/4/2016 6:37 AM, no...@nonospam.org wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 5/3/2016 11:24 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

notme composed on 2016-05-04 00:56 (UTC-0500):


Has anyone from the SeaMonkey development team told these folks that
SeaMonkey is just a variation of Firefox?


Probably not. Why don't you? Here's a way to start:
http://geckoisgecko.org/


Let's all do it! :)


That's a good idea, but input from the development team is likely to
carry more weight than input from the user community.


Well, it seems to work so far from my side but we need more to get results:

"... MAY 04, 2016  |  08:39AM EDT
LaToya replied:

We apologize for your difficulties in accessing our site due to the
recent introduction of a browser check and request to upgrade your
browser. We have introduced new features to our site to update its use
and some of these features are only explicitly supported by newer
mainstream browser versions. It’s good to hear you did not have issues
with our new features in your browser or older version of the browser,
so our development team will loosen the upgrade rules so your browser
will not get this check and message.

Thank you for your feedback and we apologize for any inconvenience this
may have caused.

Thanks for being a fan of The Weather Channel! ..."


I will be using http://geckoisgecko.org/ for now on. It's much better 
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2016-05-04 Thread Ant 

...

Sorry I can't test 2.40. I only have 2.46a1 installed, with weather.com
as my home page, and it works fine.


What version is v2.46's UA for its Firefox? I think it doesn't like SM's
v2.40's Firefox version in its UA. :(


FF equivalent version = SM bits plus 1 so SM 2.46 is equivalent to FF 2
+ 46 + 1 = FF 49


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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-04 Thread Gordon Weast 

David H. Durgee wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 05/04/2016 09:37 AM, no...@nonospam.org wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 5/3/2016 11:24 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

notme composed on 2016-05-04 00:56 (UTC-0500):


Has anyone from the SeaMonkey development team told these folks that
SeaMonkey is just a variation of Firefox?


Probably not. Why don't you? Here's a way to start:
http://geckoisgecko.org/


Let's all do it! :)


That's a good idea, but input from the development team is likely to
carry more weight than input from the user community.


You might have better luck reporting it at 


Web compatibility is about making sure web sites work consistently
across all browsers and devices.




Thank you for the suggestion.  I opened a problem with them.  Others
might want to comment as well here:

https://webcompat.com/issues/2517

Dave


I just tried weather.com with Seamonkey 2.40 and hit their nag dialog 
that won't close at all.  I did manage to send a problem report and just 
got an email response that they received it.


I don't know if anyone there will do anything about it though.  I let 
them know that I won't be using their service or see any of their ads 
until they fix it.


The Intellicast web site works fine, so I'm switching back to that one 
for weather radar and forecasts.


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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-04 Thread David H. Durgee 

WaltS48 wrote:

On 05/04/2016 09:37 AM, no...@nonospam.org wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 5/3/2016 11:24 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

notme composed on 2016-05-04 00:56 (UTC-0500):


Has anyone from the SeaMonkey development team told these folks that
SeaMonkey is just a variation of Firefox?


Probably not. Why don't you? Here's a way to start:
http://geckoisgecko.org/


Let's all do it! :)


That's a good idea, but input from the development team is likely to
carry more weight than input from the user community.


You might have better luck reporting it at 


Web compatibility is about making sure web sites work consistently
across all browsers and devices.




Thank you for the suggestion.  I opened a problem with them.  Others 
might want to comment as well here:


https://webcompat.com/issues/2517

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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-04 Thread WaltS48 

On 05/04/2016 09:37 AM, no...@nonospam.org wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 5/3/2016 11:24 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

notme composed on 2016-05-04 00:56 (UTC-0500):


Has anyone from the SeaMonkey development team told these folks that
SeaMonkey is just a variation of Firefox?


Probably not. Why don't you? Here's a way to start:
http://geckoisgecko.org/


Let's all do it! :)


That's a good idea, but input from the development team is likely to 
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You might have better luck reporting it at 

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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-04 Thread notme 

Ant wrote:

On 5/3/2016 11:24 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

notme composed on 2016-05-04 00:56 (UTC-0500):


Has anyone from the SeaMonkey development team told these folks that
SeaMonkey is just a variation of Firefox?


Probably not. Why don't you? Here's a way to start:
http://geckoisgecko.org/


Let's all do it! :)


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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-04 Thread WaltS48 

no...@nonospam.org wrote:

At the bottom of the article at
http://feedback.weather.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2355405-why-do-i-need-to-update-my-browser?=twc-older-browser-overlay 


there is a link to the organization behind this:

https://browser-update.org/update.html

They only recognize four browsers as being "up to date":
Firefox, Opera, Chrome, and Edge.

Has anyone from the SeaMonkey development team told these folks that 
SeaMonkey is just a variation of Firefox? It seems to me that the 
recognition of that fact is central to resolving this issue, not only 
with weather.com but also with other sites that object to SeaMonkey.


John


That must stink for Internet Explorer users. =-O

The SeaMonkey development team added the "Advertise Firefox 
compatibility" preference to Edit > Preferences > Advanced > HTTP 
Networking many versions ago. As I understand it, to mitigate these 
problems.


SeaMonkey 2.40 advertises itself as Firefox 43 compatible. If Firefox 43 
works, and Firefox 38 ESR work then SeaMonkey 2.40 should also work.


The new Brave and Vivaldi browsers both display weather.com without a 
problem.


Vivaldi's UA string is, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) 
AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/50.0.2661.94 Safari/537.36 
Vivaldi/1.1.453.52. If they can sniff Chrome out of that they certainly 
should be able to sniff Firefox from SeaMonkey's UA string.


It works in my SeaMonkey 2.46a1 Nightly development version. Mozilla/5.0 
(X11; Linux x86_64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46a1


Quoting Ant from his second post in the thread.

I was able to get rid of it in my SM v2.40 (default UA).
He did not explain what (default UA) meant. Did setting it to the 
default fix it? The default being Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:43.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/43.0 SeaMonkey/2.40?



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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-04 Thread Daniel 

On 4/05/2016 3:50 PM, Ant wrote:

On 5/3/2016 5:29 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 05/03/2016 03:39 PM, Ant wrote:

"Upgrade now!
Don't miss out on a better weather.com.

We no longer support this version of the browser. Please upgrade to
ensure you get the best weather.com experience possible.

Internet Explorer Icon Firefox Icon Chrome Icon Safari Icon

Have questions? --
http://feedback.weather.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2355405-why-do-i-need-to-update-my-browser?=twc-older-browser-overlay



I'm not interested in upgrading"


Uh huh. SeaMonkey web browsers are based on Firefox's Gecko engines! :(


I think weather.com was asking users to try the new site before it went
live and provide feedback. It appears that is no longer the case, and I
still see the old site.

Sorry I can't test 2.40. I only have 2.46a1 installed, with weather.com
as my home page, and it works fine.


What version is v2.46's UA for its Firefox? I think it doesn't like SM's
v2.40's Firefox version in its UA. :(


FF equivalent version = SM bits plus 1 so SM 2.46 is equivalent to FF 2 
+ 46 + 1 = FF 49


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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.40 Build identifier: 20160120202951

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-04 Thread Daniel 

On 4/05/2016 11:27 AM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Ant wrote:

"Upgrade now!
Don't miss out on a better weather.com.

We no longer support this version of the browser. Please upgrade to
ensure you get the
best weather.com experience possible.

 Internet Explorer Icon Firefox Icon Chrome Icon Safari Icon


Site likes my UA.  I really would have not thought so.
Maybe they like strings they don't understand.
Now that I think about it, I have not had any problems at any site.  Odd.
User-Agent: Mozilla/6.0 (Windows NT 9: ; WOW128; rv:66.0) Gecko/20200101
Firefox/66.0


66 ... Gee Whiz, talk about ya bleeding edge!!

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.40 Build identifier: 20160120202951

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-04 Thread Big Jim 

On 5/4/2016 2:36 AM, Ant wrote:

On 5/3/2016 11:24 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

notme composed on 2016-05-04 00:56 (UTC-0500):


Has anyone from the SeaMonkey development team told these folks that
SeaMonkey is just a variation of Firefox?


Probably not. Why don't you? Here's a way to start:
http://geckoisgecko.org/


Let's all do it! :)
I used their feedback site to send a complaint. There is a provision to 
send an email.

http://feedback.weather.com/
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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-04 Thread Ant 

On 5/3/2016 11:24 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

notme composed on 2016-05-04 00:56 (UTC-0500):


Has anyone from the SeaMonkey development team told these folks that
SeaMonkey is just a variation of Firefox?


Probably not. Why don't you? Here's a way to start:
http://geckoisgecko.org/


Let's all do it! :)
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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-04 Thread Felix Miata 

notme composed on 2016-05-04 00:56 (UTC-0500):


Has anyone from the SeaMonkey development team told these folks that
SeaMonkey is just a variation of Firefox?


Probably not. Why don't you? Here's a way to start: http://geckoisgecko.org/
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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-04 Thread notme 

At the bottom of the article at
http://feedback.weather.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2355405-why-do-i-need-to-update-my-browser?=twc-older-browser-overlay 


there is a link to the organization behind this:

https://browser-update.org/update.html

They only recognize four browsers as being "up to date":
Firefox, Opera, Chrome, and Edge.

Has anyone from the SeaMonkey development team told these folks that 
SeaMonkey is just a variation of Firefox? It seems to me that the 
recognition of that fact is central to resolving this issue, not only 
with weather.com but also with other sites that object to SeaMonkey.


John

Ant wrote:

"Upgrade now!
Don't miss out on a better weather.com.

We no longer support this version of the browser. Please upgrade to
ensure you get the best weather.com experience possible.

 Internet Explorer Icon Firefox Icon Chrome Icon Safari Icon

Have questions? --
http://feedback.weather.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2355405-why-do-i-need-to-update-my-browser?=twc-older-browser-overlay


I'm not interested in upgrading"


Uh huh. SeaMonkey web browsers are based on Firefox's Gecko engines! :(


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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-03 Thread Ant 

On 5/3/2016 3:53 PM, Zeb Carter wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/3/2016 12:39 PM, Ant wrote:

"Upgrade now!
Don't miss out on a better weather.com.

We no longer support this version of the browser. Please upgrade to
ensure you get the best weather.com experience possible.

  Internet Explorer Icon Firefox Icon Chrome Icon Safari Icon

Have questions? --
http://feedback.weather.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2355405-why-do-i-need-to-update-my-browser?=twc-older-browser-overlay


I'm not interested in upgrading"


Uh huh. SeaMonkey web browsers are based on Firefox's Gecko engines! :(


The site is engaged in invalid sniffing for your user agent (UA) string.
  If works with
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/45.0
but not with either
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.40,
the "Advertise Firefox compatibility" UA string
 Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/43.0 SeaMonkey/2.40,
or the spoof
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.40, NOT Firefox/45.0.

Furthermore, the home page has 114 HTML errors and 141 CSS errors.

Try using the National Weather Services Web sites.  Start with
.  This requires that you accept all images,
not merely images from the domain of the Web site.


And if you try and complain, e, report it via email, it won't accept
your email message. It will redirect you to the FAQ about browser
updating, and then if you still need assistance, email us and right back
to square one.


We will all have to e-mail them again like last time! :(
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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-03 Thread Ant 

On 5/3/2016 5:29 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 05/03/2016 03:39 PM, Ant wrote:

"Upgrade now!
Don't miss out on a better weather.com.

We no longer support this version of the browser. Please upgrade to
ensure you get the best weather.com experience possible.

Internet Explorer Icon Firefox Icon Chrome Icon Safari Icon

Have questions? --
http://feedback.weather.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2355405-why-do-i-need-to-update-my-browser?=twc-older-browser-overlay


I'm not interested in upgrading"


Uh huh. SeaMonkey web browsers are based on Firefox's Gecko engines! :(


I think weather.com was asking users to try the new site before it went
live and provide feedback. It appears that is no longer the case, and I
still see the old site.

Sorry I can't test 2.40. I only have 2.46a1 installed, with weather.com
as my home page, and it works fine.


What version is v2.46's UA for its Firefox? I think it doesn't like SM's 
v2.40's Firefox version in its UA. :(

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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-03 Thread Ant 

On 5/3/2016 2:32 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/3/2016 12:39 PM, Ant wrote:

"Upgrade now!
Don't miss out on a better weather.com.

We no longer support this version of the browser. Please upgrade to
ensure you get the best weather.com experience possible.

  Internet Explorer Icon Firefox Icon Chrome Icon Safari Icon

Have questions? --
http://feedback.weather.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2355405-why-do-i-need-to-update-my-browser?=twc-older-browser-overlay

I'm not interested in upgrading"


Uh huh. SeaMonkey web browsers are based on Firefox's Gecko engines! :(



The site is engaged in invalid sniffing for your user agent (UA) string.
  If works with
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/45.0
but not with either
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.40,
the "Advertise Firefox compatibility" UA string
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/43.0 SeaMonkey/2.40,
or the spoof
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.40, NOT Firefox/45.0.

Furthermore, the home page has 114 HTML errors and 141 CSS errors.

Try using the National Weather Services Web sites.  Start with
.  This requires that you accept all images,
not merely images from the domain of the Web site.


So, it wants a new Firefox's Gecko engine? :(
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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-03 Thread Ant 

On 5/3/2016 12:53 PM, David H. Durgee wrote:

Ant wrote:

"Upgrade now!
Don't miss out on a better weather.com.

We no longer support this version of the browser. Please upgrade to
ensure you get the best weather.com experience possible.

 Internet Explorer Icon Firefox Icon Chrome Icon Safari Icon

Have questions? --
http://feedback.weather.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2355405-why-do-i-need-to-update-my-browser?=twc-older-browser-overlay



I'm not interested in upgrading"


Uh huh. SeaMonkey web browsers are based on Firefox's Gecko engines! :(


I started getting the same here, despite having my UA set to FireFox 43,
the basis for SM 2.40 here via PrefBar.  Don't know about you, but I
can't get rid of the nag either.


I was able to get rid of it in my SM v2.40 (default UA).
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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-03 Thread Paul in Houston, TX 

Ant wrote:

"Upgrade now!
Don't miss out on a better weather.com.

We no longer support this version of the browser. Please upgrade to ensure you 
get the
best weather.com experience possible.

 Internet Explorer Icon Firefox Icon Chrome Icon Safari Icon


Site likes my UA.  I really would have not thought so.
Maybe they like strings they don't understand.
Now that I think about it, I have not had any problems at any site.  Odd.
User-Agent: Mozilla/6.0 (Windows NT 9: ; WOW128; rv:66.0) Gecko/20200101 
Firefox/66.0

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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-03 Thread WaltS48 

On 05/03/2016 03:39 PM, Ant wrote:

"Upgrade now!
Don't miss out on a better weather.com.

We no longer support this version of the browser. Please upgrade to 
ensure you get the best weather.com experience possible.


Internet Explorer Icon Firefox Icon Chrome Icon Safari Icon

Have questions? -- 
http://feedback.weather.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2355405-why-do-i-need-to-update-my-browser?=twc-older-browser-overlay


I'm not interested in upgrading"


Uh huh. SeaMonkey web browsers are based on Firefox's Gecko engines! :(


I think weather.com was asking users to try the new site before it went 
live and provide feedback. It appears that is no longer the case, and I 
still see the old site.


Sorry I can't test 2.40. I only have 2.46a1 installed, with weather.com 
as my home page, and it works fine.


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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-03 Thread Zeb Carter 

David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/3/2016 12:39 PM, Ant wrote:

"Upgrade now!
Don't miss out on a better weather.com.

We no longer support this version of the browser. Please upgrade to
ensure you get the best weather.com experience possible.

  Internet Explorer Icon Firefox Icon Chrome Icon Safari Icon

Have questions? --
http://feedback.weather.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2355405-why-do-i-need-to-update-my-browser?=twc-older-browser-overlay

I'm not interested in upgrading"


Uh huh. SeaMonkey web browsers are based on Firefox's Gecko engines! :(


The site is engaged in invalid sniffing for your user agent (UA) string.
  If works with
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/45.0
but not with either
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.40,
the "Advertise Firefox compatibility" UA string
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/43.0 SeaMonkey/2.40,
or the spoof
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.40, NOT Firefox/45.0.

Furthermore, the home page has 114 HTML errors and 141 CSS errors.

Try using the National Weather Services Web sites.  Start with
.  This requires that you accept all images,
not merely images from the domain of the Web site.

And if you try and complain, e, report it via email, it won't accept 
your email message. It will redirect you to the FAQ about browser 
updating, and then if you still need assistance, email us and right back 
to square one.


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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-03 Thread notme 
From my experience, Weather.com is one of the worst websites for 
mucking around with their content and breaking things. They either need 
some programmers who know what they're doing, or they should follow the 
adage "if it ain't broke don't fix it!"


Sheeesh!  :-(

David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/3/2016 12:39 PM, Ant wrote:

"Upgrade now!
Don't miss out on a better weather.com.

We no longer support this version of the browser. Please upgrade to
ensure you get the best weather.com experience possible.

  Internet Explorer Icon Firefox Icon Chrome Icon Safari Icon

Have questions? --
http://feedback.weather.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2355405-why-do-i-need-to-update-my-browser?=twc-older-browser-overlay

I'm not interested in upgrading"


Uh huh. SeaMonkey web browsers are based on Firefox's Gecko engines! :(



The site is engaged in invalid sniffing for your user agent (UA) string.
  If works with
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/45.0
but not with either
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.40,
the "Advertise Firefox compatibility" UA string
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/43.0 SeaMonkey/2.40,
or the spoof
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.40, NOT Firefox/45.0.

Furthermore, the home page has 114 HTML errors and 141 CSS errors.

Try using the National Weather Services Web sites.  Start with
.  This requires that you accept all images,
not merely images from the domain of the Web site.



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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-03 Thread David E. Ross 
On 5/3/2016 12:39 PM, Ant wrote:
> "Upgrade now!
> Don't miss out on a better weather.com.
> 
> We no longer support this version of the browser. Please upgrade to 
> ensure you get the best weather.com experience possible.
> 
>  Internet Explorer Icon Firefox Icon Chrome Icon Safari Icon
> 
> Have questions? -- 
> http://feedback.weather.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2355405-why-do-i-need-to-update-my-browser?=twc-older-browser-overlay
> 
> I'm not interested in upgrading"
> 
> 
> Uh huh. SeaMonkey web browsers are based on Firefox's Gecko engines! :(
> 

The site is engaged in invalid sniffing for your user agent (UA) string.
 If works with
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/45.0
but not with either
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.40,
the "Advertise Firefox compatibility" UA string
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/43.0 SeaMonkey/2.40,
or the spoof
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.40, NOT Firefox/45.0.

Furthermore, the home page has 114 HTML errors and 141 CSS errors.

Try using the National Weather Services Web sites.  Start with
.  This requires that you accept all images,
not merely images from the domain of the Web site.

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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-03 Thread David H. Durgee 

Ant wrote:

"Upgrade now!
Don't miss out on a better weather.com.

We no longer support this version of the browser. Please upgrade to
ensure you get the best weather.com experience possible.

 Internet Explorer Icon Firefox Icon Chrome Icon Safari Icon

Have questions? --
http://feedback.weather.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2355405-why-do-i-need-to-update-my-browser?=twc-older-browser-overlay


I'm not interested in upgrading"


Uh huh. SeaMonkey web browsers are based on Firefox's Gecko engines! :(


I started getting the same here, despite having my UA set to FireFox 43, 
the basis for SM 2.40 here via PrefBar.  Don't know about you, but I 
can't get rid of the nag either.


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