Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Jens Hatlak wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: Let's just hope someone will come up with some sort of migration tool extension. In what bug the ability was removed? The ability to import the old download history format was removed with: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=472924 Update: They just removed the ability to import the old form history format: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=458812 By the time 2.1 (*not* 2.0.1 which is scheduled for next Tuesday!) hits the road the SM importer will either be totally crippled or rewritten/ported to SM-specific code. Guess what's more likely... Greetings, Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Jens Hatlak wrote: Update: They just removed the ability to import the old form history format: Probably doesn't touch us much, as we didn't import form history from 1.x in any case, from all I know. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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John Boyle wrote: To Robert Kaiser: Then, you start, by explaining how, on earth, does one migrate ones Addressbooks intact to SM2, in detail, PLEASE!??? First, it would probably be better to start a new thread for this, as it becomes hard to find buried in that quite badly named thread it's in right now. That said, there are multiple ways: 1) The easiest solution is to let 2.0(.x) import your whole 1.x profile. That should be offered automatically when no 2.0 profile is present yet and your 1.x profile is correctly registered (should be the case when 1.x find it). If you have no useful/important data in your 2.0 profile yet, you can try moving your complete 2.0 profile directories (Documents and Settings\UserName\Application Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey) out of the way and then launching 2.0 (or even better 2.0.1, candidate builds are available right now) again. 2) If you want to import all your mail data from a usable profile from the old version into an existing new profile, you can use Tools Import... from a mailnews or address book window, select Import Everything and in the next step SeaMonkey 1.x, ..., one step further, the profile you want to import from, and then you should get all this data imported automatically. 3) You can open the address book window in 1.x, go to Tools Export... and export your address books in LDIF format. From 2.0, you can use Tools Import... in the address book window with the Address Books option to import those into the new version. 4) The most manual variant, which you should only use if none of the others applies or works correctly, is first creating empty new address books for those in the new profile, and then replacing their on-disk files in the new profile with copies of the files from the old profiles. If you really need to resort to that option, please ask about it in a new thread here and I'm sure someone will be able to help you with more specific instructions, but you usually should not need this option. I hope one of those variants can help you. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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NoOp wrote: On 12/11/2009 08:10 PM, John Boyle wrote: To Robert Kaiser: I have to laugh because you finally made a funny but not really sarcastic joke! I spent 21 years in the Army, I'll only say this once: Stop. Nobody cares that you spent 21 years in the Army (I spent over 10 years in the US Army and I'm a Vietnam Vet... that along with my BSM and/or my VCG plus $5 will get me a cup of coffee now days). You do know what a BSM is don't you? How about a VCG? The fact that you keep bringing this up is embarassing to all of the rest of us military veterans (and there are many from many countries that frequent this group and/or support list). You have, for a very long time, harrassed this list with similar posts. Folks have tried their best to assist you (archives will show), but you continue to blast back with these posts. *Please* if you'd like help with SeaMonkey, limit your posts to a subject with the problem issue, a clear definition of what the problem is, and *then* perhaps someone can assist. Your continued attacks on developers, other users that try to assist you, and the world in general just isn't working. If you persist then: 1) people will simply killfile you and ignore any further posts from you (anyone need instructions on how to do this?), 2) someone will eventually blast back with a flame regarding your posts... and I don't thing anyone here wishes to see that, or 3) someone will take the initiative and simply remove you/block you from the group/list. You can then wander off to IE/other browser/email land and nobody will give a hoot. Please see: http://www.mozilla.org/community/etiquette.html As for your repeated attacks on Robert Kaiser; I realize he needs no defense here but I'll say my 2 cents: Robert/Kairo is a lynchpin for this project and repeatedly gives his time and effort to SeaMonkey. My guess is, that were it not for Robert's efforts, SeaMonkey would pretty much be dead by now [1]. SeaMonkey 2.x, with perhaps the problems with *some* 1.1.18 profile migration, and the form manager issue, is in my opinion probably the best thing that has ever happened to SeaMonkey. And yes Virginia, I still have my original Netscape floppy along with my original Netscape license. So give it a rest folks; work with the people/developers/user-testers/others that brought SeaMonkey 2.x to life. Help resolve issues, file bug reports as you find them, and perhaps most of all remember that this is mozilla.support.seamonkey. [1] Before anyone chimes in about icons etc., I too have had my difference of opinions with Robert, but I'll tell you what; I sincerely appreciate his continued efforts, work, and promotion of SeaMonkey as well of the excellent efforts of all SeaMonkey volunteers. Yes, I'd like to see the download icons changed... they will in time. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To NoOp: STOP YOURSELF: I finally say something reasonable and , I must say very personal, and you want to go off in a tangent! It so happens I have a BSM, myself and a few others besides: I only mentioned that and other parts of the statement because Robert Kaiser DID make a funny, and I was letting him know I appreciated it! I have never pushed my being a Vet on anyone on this newsgroup, only made strong mention of my health and why I got angry! I was trying to GIVE IT A REST, and he even did send me some information on exactly what I needed, but I again ran into trouble! I intend starting a new thread, without CAPS, if I can, going over my problems with the addressbook migration! Ironically, I cannot even send any messages to the newsgroup in 2.0, and that is why I am doing so here and now! As for Linux, that was not meant as any slam, but the so-called local help, here where I live, is even worse than anything I have said about 2.0!! :-( -- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/12/2009 07:13 PM, John Boyle wrote: .. To NoOp: STOP YOURSELF: I finally say something reasonable and , I must say very personal, and you want to go off in a tangent! It so happens I have a BSM, myself and a few others besides: I only mentioned that and other parts of the statement because Robert Kaiser DID make a funny, and I was letting him know I appreciated it! I have never pushed my being a Vet on anyone on this newsgroup, only made strong mention of my health and why I got angry! I was trying to GIVE IT A REST, and he even did send me some information on exactly what I needed, but I again ran into trouble! I intend starting a new thread, without CAPS, if I can, going over my problems with the addressbook migration! Ironically, I cannot even send any messages to the newsgroup in 2.0, and that is why I am doing so here and now! As for Linux, that was not meant as any slam, but the so-called local help, here where I live, is even worse than anything I have said about 2.0!! :-( OK. Peace. :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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John Boyle wrote: I have been a LOYAL user of Netscape/SeaMonkey since Netscape 4, which I made clear in one of my messages! That doesn't change that you are a destructive voice now, apparently, and accusing the people of only bad things who are in fact donating a whole lot of their free time to improving SeaMonkey and keeping it alive at all. When I mentioned the word Invention I clearly meant the Invention of 2.0, which despite my non-programmer background, was even said by one of your supporters or even you., to be a clean DEPARTURE from All the old code! This invention was and is the only way to keep the suite alive, at least from our point of view. If you don't share that view, feel free to assemble your own team and develop the old code in a different way, it's all open and we are not afraid of competition. Why couldn't you have listened to your users more than you did or are doing NOW? I and our whole team are constantly listening to a whole lot of users - just that not all users are thinking the same way, and some times one has to make decisions. Once you have leadership experience somehwere, you'll agree on that point, at least. Why couldn't Any of your team first do a survey to see what the majority of SeaMonkey were using for OS's , for one example? You think that 95% of our users are on Windows, some 60% of those on Windows XP, does change anything? Why that? Do you think it would be better top ignore the 5% on Mac and Linux and stop development for those? Then, along with all the NEW code, you could have put out clearer instructions for the vast majority of your user base, instead of Ignoring that very same user base? If you did not have the time to do so, than why didn't you make it clear and Ask one of the users who might have some experience in writing training material Oh, we did ask that quite often and still do, you just seem to be reading those things. And you're joining our testday today, right? Why do you keep on ignoring all the CRIES FOR HELP,? You don't seem to be reading this group, all team is all over the place and helping those people who constructively ask for help instead of just shout at us for being jerks or something. I can say that your effort at putting the program together, incomplete as it may be, is highly commendable Thanks, at least *something* positive you can see. Unfortunately, we are a very small team and cannot do everything at once. We know, we can need improvement on a whole lot of things, and we welcome anyone trying to sincerely help us making it better. Be constructive, help to improve things, and magically, things will improve for yourself. That's how SeaMonkey, the whole open source movement, and actually, most of our modern society work. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/10/2009 4:31 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Why did you install programs into 'Documents and Settings' ??? Program Files IS the directory where programs must be installed. Programs certainly don't have to be installed in Program Files. Why someone would install anything in Documents And Settings is another issue. It's possible that the OP installs: Itunes data into Documents and Settings Itunes program into C:\Itunes SM programs into Documents and Settings SM data into Documents and Settings\ under the profile directoy. Instead of : Itunes data into Documents and Settings\Itune-data Itunes program into C:\Itunes SM programs into Documents and Settings\SeaMonkey SM data into Documents and Settings\ under the profile directoy. --- you see immediately when SM is installed/removed in the upper group of locations that hei Itunes data is in peril. Letting the install program install the peograms into the default directory Program Files give a better chance to avoid problems. Anyway, we never will receive informations asked to john: Where exactly in what precide directory he have : Itunes data ? Itunes program ? SM programs ? SM data ? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/11/2009 7:09 AM, Ray_Net wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/10/2009 4:31 PM, Ray_Net wrote: /snip/ I find it hard to believe that any user would install SeaMonkey (or any program for that matter) directly into C:/Documents And Settings rather than a sub-directory under that or any other directory. Perhaps the person suspected of this can clarify? Letting the install program install the peograms into the default directory Program Files give a better chance to avoid problems. I suspect you mean ... install to a directory under Program Files..., but that isn't actually necessary. I rarely install under Program Files (of course, I never install programs anywhere under Documents And Settings either). /snip/ Yes. I suspect this thread is dead and relegated now to SM bashing. I recall an old Firefox version where, if you choose a non default location without creating a folder ahead of time, would simply install all the files outside of a folder. There were people who installed in the root of the C drive, expecting to get a C:\\Firefox install, but got all the program files strewn about. The real disaster was if they tried to uninstall. The uninstaller started removing everything on the C drive!! (It was fun doing support back then!) Needless to say, I am sure this is not happening here. That being said, on Windows, absent a compelling reason to the contrary, as installing a beta for testing, I let the applications go where they want to go. Program Files is perfectly handy, since it makes it easy to find things. Documents and Settings seems an odd destination for program files. However, I still find it hard to understand how installing SeaMonkey could be attacking an iTunes library, unless the installations of both are really non standard. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Leonidas Jones wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/11/2009 7:09 AM, Ray_Net wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/10/2009 4:31 PM, Ray_Net wrote: /snip/ I find it hard to believe that any user would install SeaMonkey (or any program for that matter) directly into C:/Documents And Settings rather than a sub-directory under that or any other directory. Perhaps the person suspected of this can clarify? Letting the install program install the peograms into the default directory Program Files give a better chance to avoid problems. I suspect you mean ... install to a directory under Program Files..., but that isn't actually necessary. I rarely install under Program Files (of course, I never install programs anywhere under Documents And Settings either). /snip/ Yes. I suspect this thread is dead and relegated now to SM bashing. I recall an old Firefox version where, if you choose a non default location without creating a folder ahead of time, would simply install all the files outside of a folder. There were people who installed in the root of the C drive, expecting to get a C:\\Firefox install, but got all the program files strewn about. The real disaster was if they tried to uninstall. The uninstaller started removing everything on the C drive!! (It was fun doing support back then!) Needless to say, I am sure this is not happening here. That being said, on Windows, absent a compelling reason to the contrary, as installing a beta for testing, I let the applications go where they want to go. Program Files is perfectly handy, since it makes it easy to find things. Documents and Settings seems an odd destination for program files. However, I still find it hard to understand how installing SeaMonkey could be attacking an iTunes library, unless the installations of both are really non standard. Lee you are not alone in not understanding--I sure as heck do not understand it. It is now water under the bridge. :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Robert Kaiser wrote: It's an interesting world where everyone but yourself is losing his/her mind and have a disease, right? Robert Kaiser My Dad used to tell a story about a mother watching her son's army regiment march by, and saying proudly to her neighbor, Look, everyone is out of step except my Johnny -- Rob Lindauer - for my real address, replace att with sbc ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Robert Kaiser wrote: John Boyle wrote: I have been a LOYAL user of Netscape/SeaMonkey since Netscape 4, which I made clear in one of my messages! That doesn't change that you are a destructive voice now, apparently, and accusing the people of only bad things who are in fact donating a whole lot of their free time to improving SeaMonkey and keeping it alive at all. When I mentioned the word Invention I clearly meant the Invention of 2.0, which despite my non-programmer background, was even said by one of your supporters or even you., to be a clean DEPARTURE from All the old code! This invention was and is the only way to keep the suite alive, at least from our point of view. If you don't share that view, feel free to assemble your own team and develop the old code in a different way, it's all open and we are not afraid of competition. Why couldn't you have listened to your users more than you did or are doing NOW? I and our whole team are constantly listening to a whole lot of users - just that not all users are thinking the same way, and some times one has to make decisions. Once you have leadership experience somehwere, you'll agree on that point, at least. Why couldn't Any of your team first do a survey to see what the majority of SeaMonkey were using for OS's , for one example? You think that 95% of our users are on Windows, some 60% of those on Windows XP, does change anything? Why that? Do you think it would be better top ignore the 5% on Mac and Linux and stop development for those? Then, along with all the NEW code, you could have put out clearer instructions for the vast majority of your user base, instead of Ignoring that very same user base? If you did not have the time to do so, than why didn't you make it clear and Ask one of the users who might have some experience in writing training material Oh, we did ask that quite often and still do, you just seem to be reading those things. And you're joining our testday today, right? Why do you keep on ignoring all the CRIES FOR HELP,? You don't seem to be reading this group, all team is all over the place and helping those people who constructively ask for help instead of just shout at us for being jerks or something. I can say that your effort at putting the program together, incomplete as it may be, is highly commendable Thanks, at least *something* positive you can see. Unfortunately, we are a very small team and cannot do everything at once. We know, we can need improvement on a whole lot of things, and we welcome anyone trying to sincerely help us making it better. Be constructive, help to improve things, and magically, things will improve for yourself. That's how SeaMonkey, the whole open source movement, and actually, most of our modern society work. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To Robert Kaiser: Then, you start, by explaining how, on earth, does one migrate ones Addressbooks intact to SM2, in detail, PLEASE!??? I was able to migrate my bookmarks on the first real install I attempted, but CANNOT (sorry about the CAPS) successfully migrate my addressbooks intact and did, in fact, sorry to say, damage the data on my 1.1.18, part of which I had luckily printed out and can re-constitute, but the Collected Addressbook itself, is totally GONE! Please explain to me how to reconstitute that file. In Detail, if possible! :-\ -- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Robert Kaiser wrote: John Boyle wrote: you just seem to be as Imperial Minded as the Kaiser was in WWI! Right, that's why he had already introduced UK-style democracy in mostz parts of his monarchy. Interestingly, you haven't understood yet that joking on someone's name will not make him like you better, though I thought that was something most people learn e.g. in the Army. Perhaps it was the Navy where people learned the really useful things in life, then. Let's discuss real facts once your blood has stopped Boyling, OK? Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To Robert Kaiser: I have to laugh because you finally made a funny but not really sarcastic joke! I spent 21 years in the Army, and you probably have no idea of how many variations on my last name I heard! Not only that, but guess who got picked for details, not always first but 2nd or 3rd! We had too many people with names that too many Sergeants did not want to pronounce or could not, so it was either Alphabet or Boyle or anyway else they could get the number they needed for details!! As you may have already noticed, I sent you, just a little while ago, a hopefully reasoned, non-sarcastic request for help! Now, if you and I can keep it on that level, maybe I can finally get something to work, since you are completely determined on your course! If I, first of all, had any knowledge of how to program, or even knew some people who could, I might try, but I do not and can not! I do have a 2 year College degree, but it was in the physical aspects NOT in the programming, as I do have a very weak spot when it comes to advanced math! I do not and can not make head nor tail out of Boolean Algebra, yet I can use just about all the test equipment to check out something and diagnose it enough to fix it, but NOT COMPUTER CODE! Again, sorry for the CAPS. But, again, I also wish someone in your association, could do something about writing out a good, fairly detailed explanation of how to, and maybe then you would NOT be getting all the anger even from others , or just the statement they are dropping 2.0 and going back to 1.1.18, maybe! :-\ -- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/11/2009 08:10 PM, John Boyle wrote: To Robert Kaiser: I have to laugh because you finally made a funny but not really sarcastic joke! I spent 21 years in the Army, I'll only say this once: Stop. Nobody cares that you spent 21 years in the Army (I spent over 10 years in the US Army and I'm a Vietnam Vet... that along with my BSM and/or my VCG plus $5 will get me a cup of coffee now days). You do know what a BSM is don't you? How about a VCG? The fact that you keep bringing this up is embarassing to all of the rest of us military veterans (and there are many from many countries that frequent this group and/or support list). You have, for a very long time, harrassed this list with similar posts. Folks have tried their best to assist you (archives will show), but you continue to blast back with these posts. *Please* if you'd like help with SeaMonkey, limit your posts to a subject with the problem issue, a clear definition of what the problem is, and *then* perhaps someone can assist. Your continued attacks on developers, other users that try to assist you, and the world in general just isn't working. If you persist then: 1) people will simply killfile you and ignore any further posts from you (anyone need instructions on how to do this?), 2) someone will eventually blast back with a flame regarding your posts... and I don't thing anyone here wishes to see that, or 3) someone will take the initiative and simply remove you/block you from the group/list. You can then wander off to IE/other browser/email land and nobody will give a hoot. Please see: http://www.mozilla.org/community/etiquette.html As for your repeated attacks on Robert Kaiser; I realize he needs no defense here but I'll say my 2 cents: Robert/Kairo is a lynchpin for this project and repeatedly gives his time and effort to SeaMonkey. My guess is, that were it not for Robert's efforts, SeaMonkey would pretty much be dead by now [1]. SeaMonkey 2.x, with perhaps the problems with *some* 1.1.18 profile migration, and the form manager issue, is in my opinion probably the best thing that has ever happened to SeaMonkey. And yes Virginia, I still have my original Netscape floppy along with my original Netscape license. So give it a rest folks; work with the people/developers/user-testers/others that brought SeaMonkey 2.x to life. Help resolve issues, file bug reports as you find them, and perhaps most of all remember that this is mozilla.support.seamonkey. [1] Before anyone chimes in about icons etc., I too have had my difference of opinions with Robert, but I'll tell you what; I sincerely appreciate his continued efforts, work, and promotion of SeaMonkey as well of the excellent efforts of all SeaMonkey volunteers. Yes, I'd like to see the download icons changed... they will in time. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:30:19 -0600, John wrote: Water off a Ducks back. I am wondering if it is because I have SM installed in Documents and Settings? Ah well, if the iTunes database also lives in Documents and Settings, installing SeaMonkey (or Firefox, or Thunderbird, or any large application) there might well destroy existing data there not limited to just your itunes data. Phil Yeah, sure, Phil, if your operating system losses track of where it has written a file, so that it then over-writes it with another file!! Not supposed to happen with a fully functional OS and HD. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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John Boyle wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: John Boyle wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: John Boyle wrote: I will then have to switch to IE, HEAVEN FORBID! You see, IE is already paid for as part of my OS, John, if you are set in wanting to move away from SeaMonkey, why do you want to go all the way to M$IE and O/OE?? If you're looking to use a browser and a separate mail client, why not give Firefox and Thunderbird a go?? At least they might have some of the feel (and safety) of SeaMonkey. Just a thought. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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John Boyle wrote: you just seem to be as Imperial Minded as the Kaiser was in WWI! Right, that's why he had already introduced UK-style democracy in mostz parts of his monarchy. Interestingly, you haven't understood yet that joking on someone's name will not make him like you better, though I thought that was something most people learn e.g. in the Army. Perhaps it was the Navy where people learned the really useful things in life, then. Let's discuss real facts once your blood has stopped Boyling, OK? Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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John Boyle wrote: To Mark Hansen: Seems you are infected with the same disease as Robert Kaiser! It's an interesting world where everyone but yourself is losing his/her mind and have a disease, right? Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Daniel wrote: John Boyle wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: John Boyle wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: John Boyle wrote: I will then have to switch to IE, HEAVEN FORBID! You see, IE is already paid for as part of my OS, John, if you are set in wanting to move away from SeaMonkey, why do you want to go all the way to M$IE and O/OE?? You haven't understood what he said. All he seems to want is to annoy us, so he comes up with the most insane variant. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/10/2009 6:36 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote: Daniel wrote: John Boyle wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: John Boyle wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: John Boyle wrote: I will then have to switch to IE, HEAVEN FORBID! You see, IE is already paid for as part of my OS, John, if you are set in wanting to move away from SeaMonkey, why do you want to go all the way to M$IE and O/OE?? You haven't understood what he said. All he seems to want is to annoy us, so he comes up with the most insane variant. Robert Kaiser Right. I'm becoming convinced that John Boyle is a troll, so I think I'll back out of this. There are plenty of folks here actually asking for help without the need to insult and denigrate those trying to help. Best Regards, ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Robert Kaiser wrote: We regret that there are some where this isn't the case and try to help if we get a clear picture of what went wrong and what can be done. It's JUNK isn't a such clear picture at all. Sorry. Like some others, you conveniently mistake John Boyle for Bush, who created this thread, and is the one that proclaimed that SeaMonkey 2.0 is JUNK. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/10/2009 2:27 PM, Benoit Renard wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: We regret that there are some where this isn't the case and try to help if we get a clear picture of what went wrong and what can be done. It's JUNK isn't a such clear picture at all. Sorry. Like some others, you conveniently mistake John Boyle for Bush, who created this thread, and is the one that proclaimed that SeaMonkey 2.0 is JUNK. Actually, John Boyle said: I did NOT originate the title of the thread, Version 2.0 is JUNK, if you bother to even check that FACT, but I CLEARLY agree with that statement! :-( :-( :-( Among other things. It doesn't seem he's interested in solving any problems. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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John wrote: Ray_Net wrote: John wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: John wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 had destroyed anything? Absoultely That one word doesn't make evidence. Robert Kaiser I think that I have stated my case accurately. You all may want to refuse to believe that the install of SM2 causes problems with other programs. I have evidence that, in fact, it did do some damage on files on my system. I do not know how to present that in a way you all can see but it did erase/delete all the music in my iTunes Music folder. Hello John, You complain, complain, but never answer usefull questions. One of those is: NoOp wrote: So, despite the 'directory/folder' debate; John please tell us *exactly* where you have SeaMonkey installed, where you have your itunes etc installed. You state that you have/had them both installed in your 'Documents and Settings' folder, can you provide details regarding this? like what? There was no cross linking, SM installed in DS or My Documents if you prefer and My Music was is the same directory. Be specific about what type of information would be useful. Why did you install programs into 'Documents and Settings' ??? Program Files IS the directory where programs must be installed. De-install both programs and re-install it into Program Files then tell us if your Itunes files have problems ... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/10/2009 4:31 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Why did you install programs into 'Documents and Settings' ??? Program Files IS the directory where programs must be installed. Programs certainly don't have to be installed in Program Files. Why someone would install anything in Documents And Settings is another issue. De-install both programs and re-install it into Program Files then tell us if your Itunes files have problems ... How about ...just not under Documents And Settings? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Robert Kaiser wrote: John Boyle wrote: To Mark Hansen: Seems you are infected with the same disease as Robert Kaiser! It's an interesting world where everyone but yourself is losing his/her mind and have a disease, right? Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To Robert Kaiser: The 'DISEASE of Arrogance, not LOSS of MIND! I never said that, so don't twist it, and NO, I am no troll, if you would bother to read everything I said and reduce the CAPS to small letters, you might find I have been a LOYAL user of Netscape/SeaMonkey since Netscape 4, which I made clear in one of my messages! When I mentioned the word Invention I clearly meant the Invention of 2.0, which despite my non-programmer background, was even said by one of your supporters or even you., to be a clean DEPARTURE from All the old code! I did NOT invent that statement, nor did I do any Trolling for anybody, but I have tried to make it clear you are NOT being as helpful as you seem to think you are, NOR is your version of SeaMonkey any easier to understand than too many versions of LINUX are! If you would even pay attention to what all the users were saying last year when you started making comments on what you were doing, all the way up to NOW, you would find that a VAST majority were NOT in favor of you deliberately destroying the user base, along with Totally changing the program code! Why couldn't you have listened to your users more than you did or are doing NOW? Why couldn't Any of your team first do a survey to see what the majority of SeaMonkey were using for OS's , for one example? Then, along with all the NEW code, you could have put out clearer instructions for the vast majority of your user base, instead of Ignoring that very same user base? If you did not have the time to do so, than why didn't you make it clear and Ask one of the users who might have some experience in writing training material, (Again, not my field, I only taught FROM already written material) , for instance, why did you not ask Mark Hansen, one of your very strong supporters, or asked the entire group for someone who could understand what you were doing and who knew how to make it MUCH clearer to the majority of users? Like Philip Jones, or even Leonidas Jones(wow, I said something NICE)??? Why do you keep on ignoring all the CRIES FOR HELP,?** My whole thing of anger, is based on this very FACT, of there just NOT being any REAL help, focused on those who very obviously do NOT have your background nor of any of your developers background! I can say that your effort at putting the program together, incomplete as it may be, is highly commendable, but you seem to have lost sight of the FACT, that the majority of users do NOT have your background! :-( -- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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John Boyle wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: So, while migrating your address book from your SM 1.1.X profile to SM 2.0, it destroyed your address book in your SM 1.1.X profile? To Mark Hansen: YES, exactly! There is absolutely no single piece of code in SeaMonkey 2.0 that would be able to do that unless you are crazy and are trying to use the same custom location for both the 1.x and the 2.0 profile. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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John Boyle wrote: Enough for now! :-( :-\ I couldn't agree more. I can do nothing against your bad health or you regrading yourself as a low-life being as you seem to suggest in multiple of your posts here. Try to be friendly and constructive instead of negative, arrogant and sarcastic (I know you accuse us of being that but your messages consist of exactly the style you accuse us of) and you'll wonder how helpful the community here can be. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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NoOp wrote: On 12/08/2009 02:45 PM, MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 8/12/2009 13:30, John told the world: Water off a Ducks back. I am wondering if it is because I have SM installed in Documents and Settings? Perhaps I should try Program Files. The interesting thing is though when SM2 installs it does not look anything look 1.1.18. There is a box that says something like installing (or) updating GRE and then it is finished--that is a box comes up and says Finished. When the shortcut is clicked nothing happens. Let me get this straight. You have a highly non-standard setup -- you install applications in what is designated by the system vendor (Microsoft) as an user data area (I wonder if your iTunes setup is non-standard too?), disregarding all the defaults and recommended settings. Then something goes wrong -- and it's somehow Seamonkey's fault? An aside: the most irate complaints I have seen in this forum came from people who went out of their way to make things break. I remember a guy complaining about Seamonkey not working right after forcing the installation of 2.0 over 1.1.x. Another one cut pasted his user profile instead of using the import tool -- while the release notes are very clear about the profile structure being changed. Also noted. @John (not all CAPS John Boyle): So, despite the 'directory/folder' debate; John please tell us *exactly* where you have SeaMonkey installed, where you have your itunes etc installed. You state that you have/had them both installed in your 'Documents and Settings' folder, can you provide details regarding this? I also note that John had this thread (SM 2.0 11/03/2009) via a different email address and the thread was left like this: On 11/04/2009 07:14 AM, Rick wrote: NoOp wrote: On 11/03/2009 02:24 PM, Rick wrote: Rick wrote: Just tried to install SM 2.0 and it totally did not work it trashed my iTunes files and it will not be found on my system until the bugs are worked out of it. This is the first time I have ever had problems. There was nothing else running and some thing called SM Wizard showed up but, did nothing. I reinstalled 1.18 restarted the system. it also trashed all my files in acouple of folders. I am Really PO ed I seriously doubt that SeaMonkey trashed any of your iTunes other folders. But, assuming that it did; can you please detail _exactly_ what you did to install SM 2.0 and reinstall 1.1.18, what your operating system is also your hardware details? I closed all open applications double clicked the file I downloaded from Mozilla and then I got a message that it was installing SM 2.0 then, something called wizard showed up and continued to run for about 1 hour at that point I restarted the computer and found the damage. Without further details, my guess would be that you had/have something else wrong with your system. That's not to discount that something in the SM installer didn't contribute to the issue, but I see no possible way to show otherwise without additional details. _If_ SM did create the problem, then it would be most helpful to know how/why as that's a pretty serious issue. You still haven't provided details regarding the OS hardware. Please also provide the *exact* information regarding trashed all my files in acouple of folders + what (if any) antivirus you use, when you last scanned your system with the AV, etc. So John are you the same Rick from that thread? pawall...@gmail.com My guess is you are. no ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Robert Kaiser wrote: John wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 had destroyed anything? Absoultely That one word doesn't make evidence. Robert Kaiser I think that I have stated my case accurately. You all may want to refuse to believe that the install of SM2 causes problems with other programs. I have evidence that, in fact, it did do some damage on files on my system. I do not know how to present that in a way you all can see but it did erase/delete all the music in my iTunes Music folder. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/9/2009 5:32 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote: John Boyle wrote: Enough for now! :-( :-\ I couldn't agree more. I can do nothing against your bad health or you regrading yourself as a low-life being as you seem to suggest in multiple of your posts here. Try to be friendly and constructive instead of negative, arrogant and sarcastic (I know you accuse us of being that but your messages consist of exactly the style you accuse us of) and you'll wonder how helpful the community here can be. Robert Kaiser Exactly! Why people think the best way to get help is to denigrate the very volunteers they demand help from is quite beyond me. For example, beginning a thread with a subject line that expresses the product is junk is the wrong way to try to get help. In my opinion, such threads should be treated as trolling and just ignored. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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John Boyle a écrit : I do NOT and NEVER will respond well to ARROGANCE, SARCASM or anything else that smacks of that kind of attitude! I think you need to look in a mirror. S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/09/2009 06:31 AM, John wrote: NoOp wrote: ... So John are you the same Rick from that thread? pawall...@gmail.com My guess is you are. no Ah. Then there are two of you that have lost itunes files. Perhaps it might be a good idea to start a new thread (perhaps: SM2.0 + lost itunes files?), and move it out of this thread so that folks can concentrate on that specific issue. Perhaps 'Rick' will join in if he sees a related subject, and maybe we can figure out what may have happened. Believe me, if there is a possiblility that SM may have caused this (even via operator error) then it's best to sort it out as quickly as possible. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/09/2009 08:54 AM, NoOp wrote: On 12/09/2009 06:31 AM, John wrote: NoOp wrote: ... So John are you the same Rick from that thread? pawall...@gmail.com My guess is you are. no Ah. Then there are two of you that have lost itunes files. Perhaps it might be a good idea to start a new thread (perhaps: SM2.0 + lost itunes files?), and move it out of this thread so that folks can concentrate on that specific issue. Perhaps 'Rick' will join in if he sees a related subject, and maybe we can figure out what may have happened. Believe me, if there is a possiblility that SM may have caused this (even via operator error) then it's best to sort it out as quickly as possible. Ah. Nevermind... I guess that we won't have to look to far for Rick, will we John? Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:31:50 -0600 From: John jmcken...@cableone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.116.83.116 Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:03:28 -0600 From: Rick pawall...@gmail.com Subject: SM2.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.116.83.116 $ host 24.116.83.116 116.83.116.24.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 24-116-83-116.cpe.cableone.net Bye-bye John... give my regards to Rick. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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NoOp wrote: On 12/09/2009 06:31 AM, John wrote: NoOp wrote: ... So John are you the same Rick from that thread? pawall...@gmail.com My guess is you are. no Ah. Then there are two of you that have lost itunes files. Perhaps it might be a good idea to start a new thread (perhaps: SM2.0 + lost itunes files?), and move it out of this thread so that folks can concentrate on that specific issue. Perhaps 'Rick' will join in if he sees a related subject, and maybe we can figure out what may have happened. Believe me, if there is a possiblility that SM may have caused this (even via operator error) then it's best to sort it out as quickly as possible. It is only a serious problem if one does not backup. It was really only an inconvenience to me I the problem really to see if others were having similar problems--I must have missed the prior post about it. I do not keep read messages and mark most as read. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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NoOp wrote: On 12/09/2009 08:54 AM, NoOp wrote: On 12/09/2009 06:31 AM, John wrote: NoOp wrote: ... So John are you the same Rick from that thread? pawall...@gmail.com My guess is you are. no Ah. Then there are two of you that have lost itunes files. Perhaps it might be a good idea to start a new thread (perhaps: SM2.0 + lost itunes files?), and move it out of this thread so that folks can concentrate on that specific issue. Perhaps 'Rick' will join in if he sees a related subject, and maybe we can figure out what may have happened. Believe me, if there is a possiblility that SM may have caused this (even via operator error) then it's best to sort it out as quickly as possible. Ah. Nevermind... I guess that we won't have to look to far for Rick, will we John? Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:31:50 -0600 From: John jmcken...@cableone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.116.83.116 Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:03:28 -0600 From: Rick pawall...@gmail.com Subject: SM2.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.116.83.116 $ host 24.116.83.116 116.83.116.24.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 24-116-83-116.cpe.cableone.net Bye-bye John... give my regards to Rick. You must be referring to the Frederick. He lives in one of my apartments and occasionally uses my computer. I hardly ever see him and do not talk computer stuff. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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John wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: John wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 had destroyed anything? Absoultely That one word doesn't make evidence. Robert Kaiser I think that I have stated my case accurately. You all may want to refuse to believe that the install of SM2 causes problems with other programs. I have evidence that, in fact, it did do some damage on files on my system. I do not know how to present that in a way you all can see but it did erase/delete all the music in my iTunes Music folder. Hello John, You complain, complain, but never answer usefull questions. One of those is: NoOp wrote: So, despite the 'directory/folder' debate; John please tell us *exactly* where you have SeaMonkey installed, where you have your itunes etc installed. You state that you have/had them both installed in your 'Documents and Settings' folder, can you provide details regarding this? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Robert Kaiser wrote: John Boyle wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: So, while migrating your address book from your SM 1.1.X profile to SM 2.0, it destroyed your address book in your SM 1.1.X profile? To Mark Hansen: YES, exactly! There is absolutely no single piece of code in SeaMonkey 2.0 that would be able to do that unless you are crazy and are trying to use the same custom location for both the 1.x and the 2.0 profile. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To Robert Kaiser: Since I have made it plain I have no way to program anything , how would I have a custom location interfering with an alleged Basic function??? How can you even suggest that after ALL I have said to explain my situation, is beyond me, also! Again, the problem is that you do NOT think as a USER, but as as Developer Whiz Kid! Why is it so hard for you to understand that 2.0 DOES not and IS not what you allegedly think it is and does? :-( -- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Robert Kaiser wrote: John Boyle wrote: Enough for now! :-( :-\ I couldn't agree more. I can do nothing against your bad health or you regrading yourself as a low-life being as you seem to suggest in multiple of your posts here. Try to be friendly and constructive instead of negative, arrogant and sarcastic (I know you accuse us of being that but your messages consist of exactly the style you accuse us of) and you'll wonder how helpful the community here can be. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To Robert Kaiser: I DID NOT REGRADE myself, YOU HAVE DONE IT, consistently and Still are, by your simply ignoring the FACTS that are presented to you and by YOUR IGNORANCE of what the ENglish language says when it is presented to you! YES, I am sarcastic, but not ARROGANT as that comes from the so-called superior attitude YOU have shown over the entire discussion for the past one or two years! My sarcasm IS based on YOUR ARROGANCE AND FAILURE TO ADMIT WHEN YOU ARE WRONG, nuts there I go again, using CAPS! I wish you would get off your high horse, and provide CLEARCUT, CONCISE AND COMPLETE, INSTRUCTIONS, then you just might not get CAPS back at you! You have Consistently and Continuely FAILED to comprehend what courtesy and help mean or how to go about giving that very , very needed help, and you just seem to be as Imperial Minded as the Kaiser was in WWI! You must be related to him, as you just cannot comprehend *a cry for help*, under ANY circumstances! You, personally, are driving many away from SeaMonkey, and, yet, you just cannot seem to understand that very simple concept! Why, I cannot fathom and it is obvious you Never will! I spent 21 years in the Army, and they taught me a couple of concepts in dealing with people, that you OBVIOUSLY CANNOT COMPREHEND, one, being K.I.S.S. or Keep It Simple, stupid, and the other being R.O.A.N. or Repair ONLY as NECESSARY! :-( :-( :-( -- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/9/2009 5:32 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote: John Boyle wrote: Enough for now! :-( :-\ I couldn't agree more. I can do nothing against your bad health or you regrading yourself as a low-life being as you seem to suggest in multiple of your posts here. Try to be friendly and constructive instead of negative, arrogant and sarcastic (I know you accuse us of being that but your messages consist of exactly the style you accuse us of) and you'll wonder how helpful the community here can be. Robert Kaiser Exactly! Why people think the best way to get help is to denigrate the very volunteers they demand help from is quite beyond me. For example, beginning a thread with a subject line that expresses the product is junk is the wrong way to try to get help. In my opinion, such threads should be treated as trolling and just ignored. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To Mark Hansen: Seems you are infected with the same disease as Robert Kaiser! When is the last time you gave complete, clearcut instructions on how to overcome the failings of SM2? From what I have read on this list or the newsgroup, you seem to think people can read your mind and at a distance! Why is beyond me, and for the same reasons I wrote to Robert Kaiser! I have been a user of Mozilla since Netscape 4 and, up until now, had no trouble with Seamonkey worth mentioning, but you and Mr. Kaiser have completely reinvented the Wheel, and neither of you can even define or describe to the rest of us how to get your Invention to work! I did NOT originate the title of the thread, Version 2.0 is JUNK, if you bother to even check that FACT, but I CLEARLY agree with that statement! :-( :-( :-( -- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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John wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Hello John, You complain, complain, but never answer usefull questions. One of those is: NoOp wrote: So, despite the 'directory/folder' debate; John please tell us *exactly* where you have SeaMonkey installed, where you have your itunes etc installed. You state that you have/had them both installed in your 'Documents and Settings' folder, can you provide details regarding this? like what? There was no cross linking, SM installed in DS or My Documents if you prefer and My Music was is the same directory. Be specific about what type of information would be useful. OK, I'll try. My SeaMonkey 2.0 executable files are in the directory C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey. My SeaMonkey 2.0 data files are in C:\Documents and Settings\[user]\Application Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey. Now, where _exactly_ on your hard drive are your SeaMonkey 2.0 executable and data files? Thanks! -JW ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/9/2009 7:37 PM, John Boyle wrote: To Mark Hansen: Seems you are infected with the same disease as Robert Kaiser! When is the last time you gave complete, clearcut instructions on how to overcome the failings of SM2? From what I have read on this list or the newsgroup, you seem to think people can read your mind and at a distance! Why is beyond me, and for the same reasons I wrote to Robert Kaiser! I have been a user of Mozilla since Netscape 4 and, up until now, had no trouble with Seamonkey worth mentioning, but you and Mr. Kaiser have completely reinvented the Wheel, and neither of you can even define or describe to the rest of us how to get your Invention to work! I did NOT originate the title of the thread, Version 2.0 is JUNK, if you bother to even check that FACT, but I CLEARLY agree with that statement! :-( :-( :-( What have I invented, exactly? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:20:41 -0500, Leonidas Jones wrote: I imagine the functionality had been in plac e back in the pre FF1.0 days, when they did a similar move of the profile location ( to much gnashing of teeth, I might add). Clearly, there is no need for it in Firefox anymore, so I can understand their desire to remove it. It would be nice maybe to keep in on hand, just as a show of good will, at least through 2.1. Oops. Perhaps I should be clearer. The code removed was the ability to read and hence migrate the old (mork) History format. Nothing else is removed at least deliberately. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:08:12 -0600, John wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: John wrote: All I can say is that I tried several times to install 2.0 over 1.1.18 and it corrupted my iTunes file and would not open. That would suggest that there is a problem moving between the two. What does iTunes have to do with SeaMonkey upgrades? Robert Kaiser That is a damn good question why should SM have anything to do with iTunes but, I can tell you that it did totally destroy my iTunes library. It happened before too but, this time I had a backup. You didn't do something totally stupid and kept your iTunes library inside the SeaMonkey application directory did you? Otherwise SeaMonkey has totally no idea where your iTunes library lives so it would be totally unable to trash it even if it wanted to. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:08:12 -0600, Lou wrote: John Boyle wrote: To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced been about, if not SM2:-( I can vouch for John. I installed Seamonkey 2.0 and it erased my bank account, destroyed the engine in my car and killed my dog. ;) But at least it didn't email all your passwords to Homeland Security right? Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 08.12.2009 10:51, Philip Chee wrote: On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:08:12 -0600, Lou wrote: John Boyle wrote: To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced been about, if not SM2:-( I can vouch for John. I installed Seamonkey 2.0 and it erased my bank account, destroyed the engine in my car and killed my dog. ;) But at least it didn't email all your passwords to Homeland Security right? Uogh, don't think so, hopefully not. But first time I installed an 2.0.2pre-Build, it does StRAnGe THingS WiTh my cAps-LoCK-kEY. huMM?. Tobias ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Lou wrote: John Boyle wrote: To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced been about, if not SM2:-( I can vouch for John. I installed Seamonkey 2.0 and it erased my bank account, destroyed the engine in my car and killed my dog. ;) Gee, wish I could blame SM 2.0 for stuffing the engine in MY car!! Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Leonidas Jones wrote: John wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: John wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: John wrote: /snip/ snip I run iTunes on Windows and Mac's, and SeaMonkey 2.0, now the 2.01 beta, and have noticed anything like this. Work with us, maybe we can help. Lee Lee, I hope you meant ...and have noticed *no*thing like this...! Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 08.12.2009 04:55, Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: I don't know which. I all I know is what the developers are saying that there is a Migration assistant built into 2, Tools menu import choose import. Phillip, I see nothing like this in the tools menu item in SM 2. You can find the Import-Item only in MailNews and Addressbooks Tools-Menu in SeaMonkey 2.0.x, not from an Browser-Window. Tobias ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Leonidas Jones wrote: John Boyle wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 5:06 PM, John wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: John wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: John wrote: /snip/ So if no one can suggest an alternative, that means it was SM's fault? Sir, once again, your logic escapes me. To Mark Hansen: If he had NO trouble before SM2 , but NOW has trouble since, IT IS VERY CLEAR LOGIC THAT SM2 IS THE PROBLEM!!! HOW CAN ANYONE THINK OTHERWISE, USING LOGIC, THAT IS!!!:o John, i am afraid that logic, in the sense you want to use it, does not apply to computers. There is no clear link between SeaMonkey and iTunes, indeed, none at all. SeaMonkey simply could not be causing this problem, it is clearly something else. By your logic, if I pat my cat, and a vase falls from a shelf, patting the cat caused the vase to fall. Computers, and, for that matter, life are simply not that simplistic. Lee Lee, is it possible that, using SM 1.1.18, John was able to go to iTunes, select a tune and have it play through his computers speakers, but John either cannot get to iTunes using SM 2.0 (no bookmark) or doesn't have the appropriate helper application/whatever installed into SM 2.0?? (Just searching for possible reasons it didn't work) Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Daniel wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: John Boyle wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 5:06 PM, John wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: John wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: John wrote: /snip/ So if no one can suggest an alternative, that means it was SM's fault? Sir, once again, your logic escapes me. To Mark Hansen: If he had NO trouble before SM2 , but NOW has trouble since, IT IS VERY CLEAR LOGIC THAT SM2 IS THE PROBLEM!!! HOW CAN ANYONE THINK OTHERWISE, USING LOGIC, THAT IS!!!:o John, i am afraid that logic, in the sense you want to use it, does not apply to computers. There is no clear link between SeaMonkey and iTunes, indeed, none at all. SeaMonkey simply could not be causing this problem, it is clearly something else. By your logic, if I pat my cat, and a vase falls from a shelf, patting the cat caused the vase to fall. Computers, and, for that matter, life are simply not that simplistic. Lee Lee, is it possible that, using SM 1.1.18, John was able to go to iTunes, select a tune and have it play through his computers speakers, but John either cannot get to iTunes using SM 2.0 (no bookmark) or doesn't have the appropriate helper application/whatever installed into SM 2.0?? (Just searching for possible reasons it didn't work) Daniel Thinking this as well, just a simple plugin might be missing (?) Mark -- http://www.masadsign.nl/logout/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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John Boyle wrote: [...] All yelling has been deleted, so nothing is left to display! John, do you really have to yell all the time? That you're unnecessarily strident is one thing, but all those caps are annoying! keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Tobias Fischer wrote: On 08.12.2009 04:55, Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: I don't know which. I all I know is what the developers are saying that there is a Migration assistant built into 2, Tools menu import choose import. Phillip, I see nothing like this in the tools menu item in SM 2. You can find the Import-Item only in MailNews and Addressbooks Tools-Menu in SeaMonkey 2.0.x, not from an Browser-Window. Tobias Sure, Import is there, but nothing like what Phillip describes, as far as importing from an earlier SeaMonkey profile. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 08.12.2009 13:24, Leonidas Jones wrote: Tobias Fischer wrote: On 08.12.2009 04:55, Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: I don't know which. I all I know is what the developers are saying that there is a Migration assistant built into 2, Tools menu import choose import. Phillip, I see nothing like this in the tools menu item in SM 2. You can find the Import-Item only in MailNews and Addressbooks Tools-Menu in SeaMonkey 2.0.x, not from an Browser-Window. Tobias Sure, Import is there, but nothing like what Phillip describes, as far as importing from an earlier SeaMonkey profile. Ah, sure, sorry that I have missed the point. At least I have imported some .csv-Files, and not read all of the Dialog. So it was really needed to start the Migration Wizard via command-line if someone has to import more than one Profiles-Data. Tobias ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip Chee wrote: Oops. Perhaps I should be clearer. The code removed was the ability to read and hence migrate the old (mork) History format. That's wrong. Sorry, but the browsing history still can be read in 1.9.2 from all I know. Only download history can't. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Ed Jones wrote: On or about 12/7/2009 9:16 PM, John Boyle typed the following: NoOp wrote: On 12/07/2009 05:06 PM, John wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: John wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: John wrote: All I can say is that I tried several times to install 2.0 over 1.1.18 and it corrupted my iTunes file and would not open. That would suggest that there is a problem moving between the two. What does iTunes have to do with SeaMonkey upgrades? ... That is a damn good question why should SM have anything to do with iTunes but, I can tell you that it did totally destroy my iTunes library. It happened before too but, this time I had a backup. No, installing SM 2.0 could not affect your iTunes library, there is something else at work here. Lee Then give me some suggestions, there is nothing in event viewer to suggest that anything other SM2 was running. You were given suggestions in the previous thread that you posted about regarding this. I seem to recall that you never responded, but that would take going back to look I'm not inclined to do that just now. *Nothing* in installing SeaMonkey should or could have affected your itunes library. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced been about, if not SM2:-( John, perhaps you'd care to tell us where you live? We might be able to find a volunteer to see you and straighten out this problem. Apparently it's not going to get resolved in this news group. Fargo,ND ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Robert Kaiser wrote: John Boyle wrote: INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY ALL SORTS OF THINGS No, the only thing we really know is that is sometimes doesn't import SeaMonkey 1.x profiles, but we haven't got any information whatsoever that it reproducibly destroyed anything at all (and I ignore your rudeness of writing all-caps messages). Robert Kaiser Water off a Ducks back. I am wondering if it is because I have SM installed in Documents and Settings? Perhaps I should try Program Files. The interesting thing is though when SM2 installs it does not look anything look 1.1.18. There is a box that says something like installing (or) updating GRE and then it is finished--that is a box comes up and says Finished. When the shortcut is clicked nothing happens. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 6:16 PM, John Boyle wrote: To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced been about, if not SM2:-( You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 has destroyed anything? I would say that when I open iTunes and it is totally without files then yes. The only thing that happened that was not normal was the attempted installation of SM2. What would you conclude from that? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Leonidas Jones wrote: John wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: John wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: John wrote: /snip/ That is a damn good question why should SM have anything to do with iTunes but, I can tell you that it did totally destroy my iTunes library. It happened before too but, this time I had a backup. No, installing SM 2.0 could not affect your iTunes library, there is something else at work here. Lee Then give me some suggestions, there is nothing in event viewer to suggest that anything other SM2 was running. Post a whole lot more information. What is your exact version of Windows, describe the scenario in which your iTunes library was destroyed, and tell us exactly what happens when you try to open it. I run iTunes on Windows and Mac's, and SeaMonkey 2.0, now the 2.01 beta, and have noticed anything like this. Work with us, maybe we can help. Lee Win XP Pro SP3 RAID HD configuration, 64 bit Asus processor on an Asus A8V MOBO, so far as I know all the files in the iTunes music folder disappeared. It maybe that iTunes was open when I installed SM2 but, I really do not know if that should be a problem. I would have thought that if having open programs was a known problem I would have gotten a message to close all open applications. When iTunes opens there is nothing there i.e. no music files, no podcasts and no videos. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Leonidas Jones wrote: John Boyle wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 5:06 PM, John wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: John wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: John wrote: /snip/ So if no one can suggest an alternative, that means it was SM's fault? Sir, once again, your logic escapes me. To Mark Hansen: If he had NO trouble before SM2 , but NOW has trouble since, IT IS VERY CLEAR LOGIC THAT SM2 IS THE PROBLEM!!! HOW CAN ANYONE THINK OTHERWISE, USING LOGIC, THAT IS!!!:o John, i am afraid that logic, in the sense you want to use it, does not apply to computers. There is no clear link between SeaMonkey and iTunes, indeed, none at all. SeaMonkey simply could not be causing this problem, it is clearly something else. By your logic, if I pat my cat, and a vase falls from a shelf, patting the cat caused the vase to fall. Computers, and, for that matter, life are simply not that simplistic. Lee I think that you are wrong. If no downloads, files or any other computer operation is running except the install of SM2 and it clearly fails since SM does not work after the install and iTunes is corrupted, the only conclusion I can draw from that is that SM was the problem ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 6:20 PM, John Boyle wrote: To Mark Hansen: If he had NO trouble before SM2 , but NOW has trouble since, IT IS VERY CLEAR LOGIC THAT SM2 IS THE PROBLEM!!! HOW CAN ANYONE THINK OTHERWISE, USING LOGIC, THAT IS!!! :o How about this John? Let's say you get home and park your car in the driveway, then go in the house. 10 minutes later, you look out the front window and see a neighbor kid walking past your house. Another 10 minutes later, you go outside and see that one of your tires has been slashed. Did the neighbor kid do it? apples and oranges ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Lou wrote: John Boyle wrote: To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced been about, if not SM2:-( I can vouch for John. I installed Seamonkey 2.0 and it erased my bank account, destroyed the engine in my car and killed my dog. ;) ROTFL! Sorry about your dog! ;) That's the attitude I read his posts with now... if I read them at all. bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On or about 12/8/2009 10:25 AM, John typed the following: Ed Jones wrote: S N I P John, perhaps you'd care to tell us where you live? We might be able to find a volunteer to see you and straighten out this problem. Apparently it's not going to get resolved in this news group. Fargo,ND Sorry John, that let's me out. Although I did spend some time in Sioux Falls area at the EROS Data Center years ago. -- Ed If at first you do succeed, try not to look astonished. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On or about 12/8/2009 10:25 AM, John typed the following: Ed Jones wrote: On or about 12/7/2009 9:16 PM, John Boyle typed the following: NoOp wrote: On 12/07/2009 05:06 PM, John wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: John wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: John wrote: All I can say is that I tried several times to install 2.0 over 1.1.18 and it corrupted my iTunes file and would not open. That would suggest that there is a problem moving between the two. What does iTunes have to do with SeaMonkey upgrades? ... That is a damn good question why should SM have anything to do with iTunes but, I can tell you that it did totally destroy my iTunes library. It happened before too but, this time I had a backup. No, installing SM 2.0 could not affect your iTunes library, there is something else at work here. Lee Then give me some suggestions, there is nothing in event viewer to suggest that anything other SM2 was running. You were given suggestions in the previous thread that you posted about regarding this. I seem to recall that you never responded, but that would take going back to look I'm not inclined to do that just now. *Nothing* in installing SeaMonkey should or could have affected your itunes library. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced been about, if not SM2:-( John, perhaps you'd care to tell us where you live? We might be able to find a volunteer to see you and straighten out this problem. Apparently it's not going to get resolved in this news group. Fargo,ND Nope, I can't do it - When I was with the U.S.A.F. I spent some time in Fortuna, ND. Not there anymore. Anyone here from around the Fargo area that can help him? Ed -- Ed Good friends are hard to find, harder to leave, and impossible to forget. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/8/2009 7:31 AM, John wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 6:16 PM, John Boyle wrote: To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced been about, if not SM2:-( You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 has destroyed anything? I would say that when I open iTunes and it is totally without files then yes. The only thing that happened that was not normal was the attempted installation of SM2. What would you conclude from that? The fact that you can't see anything else, does not mean it was SM. You seem unable to see this. Best Regards, ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/8/2009 7:50 AM, John wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 6:20 PM, John Boyle wrote: To Mark Hansen: If he had NO trouble before SM2 , but NOW has trouble since, IT IS VERY CLEAR LOGIC THAT SM2 IS THE PROBLEM!!! HOW CAN ANYONE THINK OTHERWISE, USING LOGIC, THAT IS!!! :o How about this John? Let's say you get home and park your car in the driveway, then go in the house. 10 minutes later, you look out the front window and see a neighbor kid walking past your house. Another 10 minutes later, you go outside and see that one of your tires has been slashed. Did the neighbor kid do it? apples and oranges Unfortunately, your response doesn't surprise me in the least. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Benoit Renard wrote: John wrote: Philip Chee wrote: You didn't do something totally stupid and kept your iTunes library inside the SeaMonkey application directory did you? Otherwise SeaMonkey has totally no idea where your iTunes library lives so it would be totally unable to trash it even if it wanted to. Phil They are in the same directory but not the same folder Err, a directory is the same thing as a folder. What do you mean? Maybe that under that the folder called SeaMonkey and the folder called iTunes both are in the folder called, for example, Programs? No so. Program Files is a Directory and for example SeaMonkey is in a folder within the directory. In any event SM did install properly after I removed 1.1.18 completely but, all the music in iTunes is gone. There has to be some sort of relationship between these two items i.e. SM2 and iTunes. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/8/2009 10:44 AM, John wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: John wrote: Philip Chee wrote: You didn't do something totally stupid and kept your iTunes library inside the SeaMonkey application directory did you? Otherwise SeaMonkey has totally no idea where your iTunes library lives so it would be totally unable to trash it even if it wanted to. Phil They are in the same directory but not the same folder Err, a directory is the same thing as a folder. What do you mean? Maybe that under that the folder called SeaMonkey and the folder called iTunes both are in the folder called, for example, Programs? No so. Program Files is a Directory and for example SeaMonkey is in a folder within the directory. In any event SM did install properly after I removed 1.1.18 completely but, all the music in iTunes is gone. There has to be some sort of relationship between these two items i.e. SM2 and iTunes. Actually, they are all directories. Microsoft starting calling directories folders because of the icon they used to represent them. So, the two terms have become interchangeable. Directories are hierarchical, in that a directory can contain a directory, which itself can contain a directory, etc. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Hartmut Figge wrote: Let's just hope someone will come up with some sort of migration tool extension. In what bug the ability was removed? The ability to import the old download history format was removed with: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=472924 HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: I don't know which. I all I know is what the developers are saying that there is a Migration assistant built into 2, Tools menu import choose import. Phillip, I see nothing like this in the tools menu item in SM 2. Lee Its not called such: Choose import from tools menu then if its first time choose all. then when you begin it will ask SM1.1, FireFox, Thunderbird You choose and it migrates the appropriate items. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 7:42 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 5:38 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 2:01 PM, John wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 10:49 AM, John wrote: Apparently migration from 1.18 to 2.0 is not supported either and it (2.0 install) wiped out my iTunes files. What!? Migration from 1.1.18 (I assume that is the release you meant) to 2.0 is not supported? All I can say is that I tried several times to install 2.0 over 1.1.18 and it corrupted my iTunes file and would not open. That would suggest that there is a problem moving between the two. So this means SeaMonkey does not support migration from 1.1.18 to 2.0? Sir, your logic escapes me. No they are talking about there is a Migration assistant to go from 1.1.18 to 2.0, but if you are dumb enough to wait until 2.1 to jump. then you be unable to bring over your files automatically unless you manually do so. Are you responding to the correct post? John clearly said that SeaMonkey doesn't support migration from 1.1.18 to 2.0. I was responding to that. I don't know which. I all I know is what the developers are saying that there is a Migration assistant built into 2, Tools menu import choose import. when window open choose all If you haven't setup anything. or click everything in the list then it will have you choose which application SM 1.1, FireFox, or Thunderbird. Are you sure that's how you initiate the migration wizard in SM 2.0? I understood it differently. Have you actually done this? But that there will not be one sufficient to import from SM 1.1.18. everything. Part of it will be removed and will continue to be until 1.1.18 is but a distant memory. Sorry, you've completely lost me here. I have no idea what you're trying to say. I'm saying for now history data will be remove in migration manager so all your history will be left and not migrated. As other components are changed that portion will too be left out. Until the point to migrate anything you'll have to do it manually. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Tobias Fischer wrote: On 08.12.2009 04:55, Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: I don't know which. I all I know is what the developers are saying that there is a Migration assistant built into 2, Tools menu import choose import. Phillip, I see nothing like this in the tools menu item in SM 2. You can find the Import-Item only in MailNews and Addressbooks Tools-Menu in SeaMonkey 2.0.x, not from an Browser-Window. Tobias http://www.phillipmjones.net/ImportWizzard.png http://www.phillipmjones.net/ToolsMenu.png in my case All is greyed out because I have already used it to migrate SM1.1.18 -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Leonidas Jones wrote: Tobias Fischer wrote: On 08.12.2009 04:55, Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: I don't know which. I all I know is what the developers are saying that there is a Migration assistant built into 2, Tools menu import choose import. Phillip, I see nothing like this in the tools menu item in SM 2. You can find the Import-Item only in MailNews and Addressbooks Tools-Menu in SeaMonkey 2.0.x, not from an Browser-Window. Tobias Sure, Import is there, but nothing like what Phillip describes, as far as importing from an earlier SeaMonkey profile. Lee I'm not imagining things I used it to import from SM1.1.8 You have to do it as soon as you first open it. http://www.phillipmjones.net/MigrationManager.png (click the link) -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Phillip Jones wrote: I all I know is what the developers are saying that there is a Migration assistant built into 2, Tools menu import choose import. That's at least not the recommended way; maybe it's even wrong. I know that menu option exists and that it is using at least part of the same code as the official migration (see below) but I never tested it and I don't know who else did. I always thought of it as a way to migrate additional data (e.g. external address books) after the fact. The official migration is triggered in two cases: a) automatically when there is no SM2 profile b) using the -migration command line option in combination with the -P SM 2 profile name command line option. http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_migration_-_SeaMonkey (MozillaZine is currently very slow over here; if the cause is on their side using a cached Google version might be an idea.) HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Keith Whaley wrote: John Boyle wrote: [...] All yelling has been deleted, so nothing is left to display! John, do you really have to yell all the time? That you're unnecessarily strident is one thing, but all those caps are annoying! keith whaley To Keith , Leonidas ,et al: I do apologize for the CAPS in my messages, but when I am shocked by attitudes of people who should know better, I will sound off! If you notice, though, I do not use cuss words! I have been trying to get the Developers and others to recognize that USERS are NOT Developers, in the main, yet that seems to be the exact reason they are shut off! I was totally shocked, again, when I found out through the newsgroup and support list, that the Developers were deliberately going to make it even harder to migrate information from one very stable version to an even newer update of their version 2.0. Why is it only one person really tried to give me step by step instructions on how to migrate from 1.1.18 to 2.0, for instance? I followed one persons advice, after reassurances it would not damage the older version, and installed 2.0 in its own location, then managed to migrate my bookmarks without any problems, but cannot get the addressbooks nor newsgroups to migrate worth beans, yet that individual who just killfiled me could not recognize he only half stepped in his help to me! Please forward this to him, letting him know I apologize for upsetting statements, but when you are an obviously unwanted low-life USER, like me, you have to expect frustration, especially if that low-life USER also has a Heart problems, and also cannot even breathe properly, all the time! I just have no time for those who have no respect for their fellow man, unless that fellow man is kissing their feet! Bet you thought I was going to say something else, ha ha. :-\ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Interviewed by CNN on 8/12/2009 13:30, John told the world: Water off a Ducks back. I am wondering if it is because I have SM installed in Documents and Settings? Perhaps I should try Program Files. The interesting thing is though when SM2 installs it does not look anything look 1.1.18. There is a box that says something like installing (or) updating GRE and then it is finished--that is a box comes up and says Finished. When the shortcut is clicked nothing happens. Let me get this straight. You have a highly non-standard setup -- you install applications in what is designated by the system vendor (Microsoft) as an user data area (I wonder if your iTunes setup is non-standard too?), disregarding all the defaults and recommended settings. Then something goes wrong -- and it's somehow Seamonkey's fault? An aside: the most irate complaints I have seen in this forum came from people who went out of their way to make things break. I remember a guy complaining about Seamonkey not working right after forcing the installation of 2.0 over 1.1.x. Another one cut pasted his user profile instead of using the import tool -- while the release notes are very clear about the profile structure being changed. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... BOFH excuse #336: the xy axis in the trackball is coordinated with the summer solstice * TagZilla 0.0661 * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org on Seamonkey 2.0 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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John Boyle wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: John Boyle wrote: [...] All yelling has been deleted, so nothing is left to display! John, do you really have to yell all the time? That you're unnecessarily strident is one thing, but all those caps are annoying! keith whaley To Keith , Leonidas ,et al: I do apologize for the CAPS in my messages... Okay, you're forgiven! g but when I am shocked by attitudes of people who should know better, I will sound off! If you notice, though, I do not use cuss words! Duly noted! Thanks. I have been trying to get the Developers and others to recognize that USERS are NOT Developers, in the main, yet that seems to be the exact reason they are shut off! I was totally shocked, again, when I found out through the newsgroup and support list, that the Developers were deliberately going to make it even harder to migrate information from one very stable version to an even newer update of their version 2.0. Why is it only one person really tried to give me step by step instructions on how to migrate from 1.1.18 to 2.0, for instance? No idea! I followed one persons advice, after reassurances it would not damage the older version, and installed 2.0 in its own location, then managed to migrate my bookmarks without any problems, but cannot get the addressbooks nor newsgroups to migrate worth beans, yet that individual who just killfiled me could not recognize he only half stepped in his help to me! Please forward this to him, letting him know I apologize for upsetting statements, but when you are an obviously unwanted low-life USER, like me, you have to expect frustration, especially if that low-life USER also has a Heart problems, and also cannot even breathe properly, all the time! I just have no time for those who have no respect for their fellow man, unless that fellow man is kissing their feet! Bet you thought I was going to say something else, ha ha. :-\ Oh no! You don't swear, so I expected 'feet'. g You're right. Some folks do not know how to comport themselves in public. Sad... However, try to reduce your anxiety and frustration...that might help your breathing and shortness of breath. I pretty much agree with you, tho' Do take care of your health, and try to not get so excited! We'll take them on and berate their ill-advised comments, as best we can. Later, keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Phillip Jones wrote: John wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: John Boyle wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 5:06 PM, John wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: John wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: John wrote: /snip/ So if no one can suggest an alternative, that means it was SM's fault? Sir, once again, your logic escapes me. To Mark Hansen: If he had NO trouble before SM2 , but NOW has trouble since, IT IS VERY CLEAR LOGIC THAT SM2 IS THE PROBLEM!!! HOW CAN ANYONE THINK OTHERWISE, USING LOGIC, THAT IS!!!:o John, i am afraid that logic, in the sense you want to use it, does not apply to computers. There is no clear link between SeaMonkey and iTunes, indeed, none at all. SeaMonkey simply could not be causing this problem, it is clearly something else. By your logic, if I pat my cat, and a vase falls from a shelf, patting the cat caused the vase to fall. Computers, and, for that matter, life are simply not that simplistic. Lee I think that you are wrong. If no downloads, files or any other computer operation is running except the install of SM2 and it clearly fails since SM does not work after the install and iTunes is corrupted, the only conclusion I can draw from that is that SM was the problem Could it be you have some cross-linked files in which case you need a Drive utility to fix. If your using a Mac AppleJack comes to mind if not using Leopard or Snow Leopard. not very likely I ran checkdisk yesterday and no problems ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Jens Hatlak: The ability to import the old download history format was removed with: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=472924 Thanks. Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Keith Whaley wrote: John Boyle wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: John Boyle wrote: [...] All yelling has been deleted, so nothing is left to display! John, do you really have to yell all the time? That you're unnecessarily strident is one thing, but all those caps are annoying! keith whaley To Keith , Leonidas ,et al: I do apologize for the CAPS in my messages... Okay, you're forgiven! g but when I am shocked by attitudes of people who should know better, I will sound off! If you notice, though, I do not use cuss words! Duly noted! Thanks. I have been trying to get the Developers and others to recognize that USERS are NOT Developers, in the main, yet that seems to be the exact reason they are shut off! I was totally shocked, again, when I found out through the newsgroup and support list, that the Developers were deliberately going to make it even harder to migrate information from one very stable version to an even newer update of their version 2.0. Why is it only one person really tried to give me step by step instructions on how to migrate from 1.1.18 to 2.0, for instance? No idea! I followed one persons advice, after reassurances it would not damage the older version, and installed 2.0 in its own location, then managed to migrate my bookmarks without any problems, but cannot get the addressbooks nor newsgroups to migrate worth beans, yet that individual who just killfiled me could not recognize he only half stepped in his help to me! Please forward this to him, letting him know I apologize for upsetting statements, but when you are an obviously unwanted low-life USER, like me, you have to expect frustration, especially if that low-life USER also has a Heart problems, and also cannot even breathe properly, all the time! I just have no time for those who have no respect for their fellow man, unless that fellow man is kissing their feet! Bet you thought I was going to say something else, ha ha. :-\ Oh no! You don't swear, so I expected 'feet'. g You're right. Some folks do not know how to comport themselves in public. Sad... However, try to reduce your anxiety and frustration...that might help your breathing and shortness of breath. I pretty much agree with you, tho' Do take care of your health, and try to not get so excited! We'll take them on and berate their ill-advised comments, as best we can. Later, keith To Keith, Robert Kaiser, Leonidas Jones, et al: First my system is Win XP with sp3, a fairly fast memory and all that other technical stuff. I have decided, in light of the FACT that a LOW-LIFE USER, like me, who needs and needed clearer instructions and understanding than I will ever get from the Developers and their supporters, have DELETED ver 2.0 from my system as it is NOT an upgrade, and the FACT that any upgrades to it will make it even harder to migrate what I do have to it, totally unnecessarily and totally uncalled for! I did keep the download of it, in case someone besides Keith and Peter Potamus and Philip Jones, decides to develop a little bit of true support of all the LOW-LIFES that are called USERS, and maybe even a little bit of a conscience and even show a slight ability to convey instructions to said LOW-LIFE USERS! To make it even clearer, I am NOT upgrading to WIN 7, if I ever do, until sometime in the summer when they truly have a workable OS! Thanks, Keith for your kind words and I wish others would try to HELP more like you and Philip Jones and Peter Potamus, instead of sloughing off us LOW-LIFE USERS as DIRT OR FUNGUS OR SOME SUCH! If, as is predicted by the Developers, it becomes evident that 1.1.18 cannot be migrated to version 2.xxx, because of their drive to make it as complicated as they can, I will then have to switch to IE, HEAVEN FORBID! You see, IE is already paid for as part of my OS, and why I keep banging my head and heart on the likes of some people on this newsgroup or the list, is beyond even my understanding! Except that , UNTIL NOW, Netscape/SeaMonkey has been the better product, despite the snide remarks of the developers to the contrary! I can guarantee you one thing, SeaMonkey is on the verge of LOSING all the LOW-LIFE'S USERS, and going back to being a Developers ONLY program, and that, in fact, has been stated on this newsgroup and the support list, by many, many people who have said ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Now, either the DEVELOPERS get their minds back on the ground and start using Common Sense or they are going to become very lonesome people, very quickly! :-( =developers, :-) =those who have Truely tried to help and listen to all the LOW-Life users! By the way, how did I do this time, Keith? 8-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/8/2009 7:50 AM, John wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 6:20 PM, John Boyle wrote: To Mark Hansen: If he had NO trouble before SM2 , but NOW has trouble since, IT IS VERY CLEAR LOGIC THAT SM2 IS THE PROBLEM!!! HOW CAN ANYONE THINK OTHERWISE, USING LOGIC, THAT IS!!! :o How about this John? Let's say you get home and park your car in the driveway, then go in the house. 10 minutes later, you look out the front window and see a neighbor kid walking past your house. Another 10 minutes later, you go outside and see that one of your tires has been slashed. Did the neighbor kid do it? apples and oranges Unfortunately, your response doesn't surprise me in the least. To Mark Hansen: Unfortunately, the JOHN that you just answered is NOT ME! John Boyle is always displayed in all my messages, or Old Sarge in my signature! So, I now know why so much confusion and irritation has been bandied about!! :-\ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Robert Kaiser wrote: John Boyle wrote: INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY ALL SORTS OF THINGS No, the only thing we really know is that is sometimes doesn't import SeaMonkey 1.x profiles, but we haven't got any information whatsoever that it reproducibly destroyed anything at all (and I ignore your rudeness of writing all-caps messages). Robert Kaiser To Robert Kaiser: Sorry for the ALL Caps, but what I have said has been demonstrated by MANY complaints on both this newsgroups and the support lists! You just have NOT wanted to admit that FACT! :-( ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 6:16 PM, John Boyle wrote: To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced been about, if not SM2:-( You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 has destroyed anything? To Mark Hansen: As I have stated elsewhere, there is, NOW, an obvious problem in that there are two John's using this newsgroup, but it can easily be cleared up if people would remember the other John, does not leave a last name, but that I do! :-( ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/8/2009 4:20 PM, John Boyle wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 6:16 PM, John Boyle wrote: To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced been about, if not SM2:-( You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 has destroyed anything? To Mark Hansen: As I have stated elsewhere, there is, NOW, an obvious problem in that there are two John's using this newsgroup, but it can easily be cleared up if people would remember the other John, does not leave a last name, but that I do! :-( By the way, I am keeping you both separate. But what has this to do with my post? You (John Boyle) said, as is still shown above, that installing SeaMonkey has been known to destroy all sorts of things. Again I'll ask: You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 had destroyed anything? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/8/2009 4:11 PM, John Boyle wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/8/2009 7:50 AM, John wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 6:20 PM, John Boyle wrote: To Mark Hansen: If he had NO trouble before SM2 , but NOW has trouble since, IT IS VERY CLEAR LOGIC THAT SM2 IS THE PROBLEM!!! HOW CAN ANYONE THINK OTHERWISE, USING LOGIC, THAT IS!!! :o How about this John? Let's say you get home and park your car in the driveway, then go in the house. 10 minutes later, you look out the front window and see a neighbor kid walking past your house. Another 10 minutes later, you go outside and see that one of your tires has been slashed. Did the neighbor kid do it? apples and oranges Unfortunately, your response doesn't surprise me in the least. To Mark Hansen: Unfortunately, the JOHN that you just answered is NOT ME! John Boyle is always displayed in all my messages, or Old Sarge in my signature! So, I now know why so much confusion and irritation has been bandied about!! :-\ I was responding to a post by John, not John Boyle. I'm not sure why you think I'm not keeping these two separate. John (not John Boyle) said: apples and oranges, to which I replied. Why do you (John Boyle) think I was replying to you? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/8/2009 4:20 PM, John Boyle wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 6:16 PM, John Boyle wrote: To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced been about, if not SM2:-( You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 has destroyed anything? To Mark Hansen: As I have stated elsewhere, there is, NOW, an obvious problem in that there are two John's using this newsgroup, but it can easily be cleared up if people would remember the other John, does not leave a last name, but that I do! :-( By the way, I am keeping you both separate. But what has this to do with my post? You (John Boyle) said, as is still shown above, that installing SeaMonkey has been known to destroy all sorts of things. Again I'll ask: You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 had destroyed anything? Absoultely ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/8/2009 4:20 PM, John Boyle wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 6:16 PM, John Boyle wrote: To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced been about, if not SM2:-( You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 has destroyed anything? To Mark Hansen: As I have stated elsewhere, there is, NOW, an obvious problem in that there are two John's using this newsgroup, but it can easily be cleared up if people would remember the other John, does not leave a last name, but that I do! :-( By the way, I am keeping you both separate. But what has this to do with my post? You (John Boyle) said, as is still shown above, that installing SeaMonkey has been known to destroy all sorts of things. Again I'll ask: You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 had destroyed anything? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To Mark Hansen: YES, when I tried to migrate over my addressbooks, it took part of the old versions file and lost it somewhere in the program, not made clear where, and, that was my basic addressbook! I have had to reconstitute it from a print out that I luckily had made of it!Secondly, it did the same thing to my 'COLLECTED addresses and that I do not know how to get back! So, I reiterate it DOES destroy things, in this case data, and does it so well no one can find it again! Version 2.0 IS JUNK! :-( -- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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John Boyle wrote: To Robert Kaiser: Sorry for the ALL Caps, but what I have said has been demonstrated by MANY complaints on both this newsgroups and the support lists! You just have NOT wanted to admit that FACT! :-( Apology taken, but still I haven't seen reports of anything being provable destroyed, most people come to that wrong assumption just because they don't see their old data in 2.0, which is just because it wasn't migrated, but it still sits happily and completely undestroyed in the old 1.1.x profile. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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John wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 had destroyed anything? Absoultely That one word doesn't make evidence. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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John Boyle wrote: I will then have to switch to IE Do that, you don't seem to want to understand or actually get help, from all I read here - which I don't appreciate but I also see that it rewards us more to help those who are willing than those who are not. To summarize: For most people, migration from 1.1.x to 2.0 works automatically and fine. We regret that there are some where this isn't the case and try to help if we get a clear picture of what went wrong and what can be done. It's JUNK isn't a such clear picture at all. Sorry. Also, once the 1.x profile is migrated to 2.0, it will continue to work for 2.1 and further releases, no more complicate migration will be required. The migration *from 1.x* to a newer version is easiest now with 2.0 (or any 2.0.x version) and will become harder and harder with later releases like 2.1 and so on, as support for importing some of the 1.x data will be dropped gradually (which will not be any problem for anyone already migrated to 2.0). Also, we are happy about constructive feedback with good ideas of how specific things can be achieved, but as a volunteer project, we are dependent on someone volunteering his or her time for actually getting things done - all members of our team are actual volunteers who only work on the project in their so-called free time, usually next to some day job. Due to that, we are happy for anyone donating his or her time to helping us out, be it in helping other users to resolve problem, help testing our work or actually helping to develop fixes to bugs or eventually even new features. Please remember that and show those people the respect they deserve for trying to make things work well - even if they are not successful in every single instance. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/07/2009 06:16 PM, John Boyle wrote: To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced been about, if not SM2:-( I also tested 2.x in WinXP and Win2K. And no, I am not a developer, but I do try to test every pre-released version of SM in linux (debian), WinXP, and Win2K. Here is what I suggest: if you have issues (and you obviously do), then start your own thread regarding your specific issues. Skip the caps nonesense and explain in detail the issues you are having; perhaps then someone will try to help you. My response was regarding *John* (not you) claiming that SeaMonkey 2.0 destroyed his itunes files. Do _you_ have itunes files? Where they destroyed by 2.0? If not, then find another thread. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/8/2009 5:31 PM, John wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/8/2009 4:20 PM, John Boyle wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 6:16 PM, John Boyle wrote: To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced been about, if not SM2:-( You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 has destroyed anything? To Mark Hansen: As I have stated elsewhere, there is, NOW, an obvious problem in that there are two John's using this newsgroup, but it can easily be cleared up if people would remember the other John, does not leave a last name, but that I do! :-( By the way, I am keeping you both separate. But what has this to do with my post? You (John Boyle) said, as is still shown above, that installing SeaMonkey has been known to destroy all sorts of things. Again I'll ask: You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 had destroyed anything? Absoultely Well, perhaps you could share it, because in all your blustering, you haven't shown it yet. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:30:19 -0600, John wrote: Water off a Ducks back. I am wondering if it is because I have SM installed in Documents and Settings? Ah well, if the iTunes database also lives in Documents and Settings, installing SeaMonkey (or Firefox, or Thunderbird, or any large application) there might well destroy existing data there not limited to just your itunes data. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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NoOp wrote: On 12/07/2009 06:16 PM, John Boyle wrote: To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced been about, if not SM2:-( I also tested 2.x in WinXP and Win2K. And no, I am not a developer, but I do try to test every pre-released version of SM in linux (debian), WinXP, and Win2K. Here is what I suggest: if you have issues (and you obviously do), then start your own thread regarding your specific issues. Skip the caps nonesense and explain in detail the issues you are having; perhaps then someone will try to help you. My response was regarding *John* (not you) claiming that SeaMonkey 2.0 destroyed his itunes files. Do _you_ have itunes files? Where they destroyed by 2.0? If not, then find another thread. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To NoOp: Actually, I thank you for your response, as I did NOT know(sorry about the caps) you did all that testing! No, I do not have Itunes situation, I just have a very serious migration problem in which SM2 managed to somehow import PART of my addressbook and delete it from my version 1.1.18, and then Lose that part! When I uninstalled version 2.0, I found out the damage it had done to my version 1.1.18, but for some reason, I had printed out the information and am in the process of re-constituting that file! NOW, if version 2.0 will mangle that small portion of the 1.1.18 addressbook, what will it do with the rest of it? No, I cannot see what value updating to version 2.0 has whatsoever, and, yes, I am sorry if I let my FRUSTRATION AND BAD HEALTH, spill over into this newsgroup, but I am deeply shocked at the the TOTAL lack of SENSITIVITY and lack of Ability on the part of the developers, in that they cannot see how to help us OBVIOUSLY low-life USERS, better than they do! For instance, there is absolutely NO clearcut instructions on how to migrate anything other than the Bookmarks, and the only person who tried to help me on that, uses a MAC, which is just enough different that it would not work for me! Since you are a tester I have a Windows XP with Sp3 and definitley enough memory and speed, to handle this program with ease, yet cannot get you(generic you, not personal you) to understand the detailed instructions that are needed, to get the job done! This message is aimed at Robert Kaiser, also, since he keeps chiming in about how the work is being done by volunteers, and not understanding someone who cannot read their minds, especially at a distance! I have tried to make it clear that I am a long time user of Netscape and now Seamonkey, because I have thought it a better product than IE, but version 2.0 has become a Total Reversal of that appreciation and, yet, I still get nothing but garbage, I do NOT and NEVER will respond well to ARROGANCE, SARCASM or anything else that smacks of that kind of attitude! Now, if Robert Kaiser or Leonidas Jones or some of the others will get off their high horse and provide encouraging advice, NOT NEGATIVE AS THEY SEEM TO BE doing, with CLEAR CUT INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO OVER COME the lousy migration problems from 1.1.18 to version 2.0, they just might be surprised at the response they would get! But, right now they are heading for disaster and just cannot admit it! I know people I have tried to convert to Seamonkey, but they just will NOT bother, when they find out the attitudes associated with getting help! By the way, I had an even worse experience with LINUX, for 2 years, that I had to wipe out the entire computer and install Win XP, just to get my computer to work at all! Enough for now! :-( :-\ -- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/8/2009 5:45 PM, John Boyle wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/8/2009 4:20 PM, John Boyle wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 6:16 PM, John Boyle wrote: To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced been about, if not SM2:-( You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 has destroyed anything? To Mark Hansen: As I have stated elsewhere, there is, NOW, an obvious problem in that there are two John's using this newsgroup, but it can easily be cleared up if people would remember the other John, does not leave a last name, but that I do! :-( By the way, I am keeping you both separate. But what has this to do with my post? You (John Boyle) said, as is still shown above, that installing SeaMonkey has been known to destroy all sorts of things. Again I'll ask: You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 had destroyed anything? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To Mark Hansen: YES, when I tried to migrate over my addressbooks, it took part of the old versions file and lost it somewhere in the program, not made clear where, and, that was my basic addressbook! I have had to reconstitute it from a print out that I luckily had made of it!Secondly, it did the same thing to my 'COLLECTED addresses and that I do not know how to get back! So, I reiterate it DOES destroy things, in this case data, and does it so well no one can find it again! Version 2.0 IS JUNK! :-( So, while migrating your address book from your SM 1.1.X profile to SM 2.0, it destroyed your address book in your SM 1.1.X profile? To Mark Hansen: YES, exactly! Luckily, for some reason, I had printed out a copy of the address book and am now in the process of reconstituting it! Now, if the base version 2.0 does that, why are the developers going ahead and making sure migration will NOT work in the future? That is why I have been making ALL the noise that I have, and have been shocked by that attitude! Not only that, but why can't they develop the ability to give detailed instructions, without all the ARROGANCE and sarcasm, to overcome this disaster? One side problem is I do not know how to reconstitute the collected address file! Can you tell me how to do that in version 1.1.18, please? :-( :-( ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Bill Davidsen wrote: Bush wrote: I am back to Ver 1.1.18 and no more Beta problems. I'll try again after version 2.5 is released No, you won't. Several people have stated that migration from 1.1.xx to 2.1 and later will not be supported. Jump now or at some late date start SM configuration from scratch. Is it so difficult to not remove the migration code in SM2 ? Or did you mention that we must jump from 1.1.xx to a version 2.0.xx before the release of 2.1.00 ? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:48:59 +0100, Ray_Net wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Bush wrote: I am back to Ver 1.1.18 and no more Beta problems. I'll try again after version 2.5 is released No, you won't. Several people have stated that migration from 1.1.xx to 2.1 and later will not be supported. Jump now or at some late date start SM configuration from scratch. Is it so difficult to not remove the migration code in SM2 ? No the migration code will not be available in SM 2.1. SM 2.0 is still fine. Or did you mention that we must jump from 1.1.xx to a version 2.0.xx before the release of 2.1.00 ? Yes something like that. The ability to read the old file format was removed from Gecko 1.9.2 on the grounds that Firefox didn't need it. Tough cookies for SeaMonkey. Basically the core developers said that if it is that important to us (seamonkey developers) we can jolly well re-invent that functionality ourselves. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Philip Chee a écrit : Basically the core developers said that if it is that important to us (seamonkey developers) we can jolly well re-invent that functionality ourselves. Seriously, that sucks. Making things difficult is really not a good way to convince people to switch to our products. Let's just hope someone will come up with some sort of migration tool extension. S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
S. Beaulieu: Philip Chee a écrit : Basically the core developers said that if it is that important to us (seamonkey developers) we can jolly well re-invent that functionality ourselves. Seriously, that sucks. Making things difficult is really not a good way to convince people to switch to our products. Should FF care? ;) Let's just hope someone will come up with some sort of migration tool extension. In what bug the ability was removed? Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
S. Beaulieu wrote: Philip Chee a écrit : Basically the core developers said that if it is that important to us (seamonkey developers) we can jolly well re-invent that functionality ourselves. Seriously, that sucks. Making things difficult is really not a good way to convince people to switch to our products. Let's just hope someone will come up with some sort of migration tool extension. S. I imagine the functionality had been in plac e back in the pre FF1.0 days, when they did a similar move of the profile location ( to much gnashing of teeth, I might add). Clearly, there is no need for it in Firefox anymore, so I can understand their desire to remove it. It would be nice maybe to keep in on hand, just as a show of good will, at least through 2.1. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Leonidas Jones wrote: I imagine the functionality had been in plac e back in the pre FF1.0 days, when they did a similar move of the profile location ( to much gnashing of teeth, I might add). Clearly, there is no need for it in Firefox anymore, so I can understand their desire to remove it. Actually, for now, the only thing that was removed that we know about is the import for the download history, which is probably not a major thing for most users anyhow. More things might follow in future versions, though. Firefox 2.0 used the old download manager history as well, but that version had been desupported for quite some time, so developers decided it's better to save a few bytes of space and much more time of keeping the code working with changing newer interfaces that they decided to drop it in Firefox 3.6 and higher. Basically, it's our fault for not having released a SeaMonkey based on newer code earlier on. We have been sitting on Mozilla suite code that has been outdated and often unmaintained since the early days of Firefox (5 years ago) up to the release of SeaMonkey 2.0, and upgrading to technology that is 5 years newer is often not a completely easy story. We more or less can be happy that import still works in the Mozilla 1.9.1.x code we are using in SeaMonkey 2.0.x. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Bill Davidsen wrote: Bush wrote: jim wrote: On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:00:14 -0500, Bush e...@elmie.uk in mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote: Please post in this newsgroup, When a Good working version of seamonkey 2.X is available . 2.0 is real Buggy . It needs to be Marked as BETA Time for me to go back to 1.1.18 The funny thing is, I am running the last beta version of 2.0 in another physical machine, running XP just like my main one, with no problems. (I have sent and received several emails with it, using the server I mentioned a couple messages upthread.) jim I am back to Ver 1.1.18 and no more Beta problems. I'll try again after version 2.5 is released No, you won't. Several people have stated that migration from 1.1.xx to 2.1 and later will not be supported. Jump now or at some late date start SM configuration from scratch. Most machine I have migrated, the lack of support for multiple profiles in migration makes a few simply too time consuming. Apparently migration from 1.18 to 2.0 is not supported either and it (2.0 install) wiped out my iTunes files. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
