Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
John Doue wrote: Richard wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:25:30 -0800, Ant wrote: Hi! Is SeaMonkey ever going to get new v1.1 version or is v1.1.18 it? Just wondering since Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. When KaiRo gets back from his holiday, we will re-look at the situation. Basically Mozilla itself had abandoned the Gecko 1.8.1 platform some time ago but we were still getting some security fixes from Linux vendors who continued to upstream their fixes for a while. This seems to have dried up. We are trying to get a reply from the contact representing the consortium of Linux vendors that have long lived stable branches to see how much longer they will maintain this Gecko branch or if it has been abandoned completely. Unfortunately I fear that the latter is the case. Phil So were stuck with this ver 2, reminds me of a problem we had with a Netscape version way back, also a ver 2 I think or was it ver 3? Netscape lost a great deal of support and ground to ie after that particular disastrous version. Does anyone know of another Browser suite that allows multiple profiles? Sorry for pointing to the obvious, but do you have any serious reason to drop SM 1.1.18? I cannot imagine why you consider yourself stuck with version 2. Going back to SM 1.1.18 should not be difficult, even if you did not save your profile before going to SM 2.0. It will be a long while before SM 1.x is so outdated that it cannot be used reliably on the vast majority of sites. Safety is not either a serious issue with the normal array of protections serious surfers use. So the time you will spend restoring SM 1xx will not be wasted time. I go back to Netscape 3.2 and do not remember a disastrous version ... but I cannot say I tried them all. I believe you might be referring to 6.x when AOL interfered with Netscape. I never move to a newer version without making sure I can return to the previous one and I am sure I am glad I did so for Vista! Ya you're correct, it was version six, I have used Netscape since the beginning, I could not remember, only that there was a very disastrous version, believe it or not I was so anti ms then (for killing my browser) I stuck with it until last ver 7 upgrade, ver 8 was not used by me, then went to Mozilla, I need/want the multiple profiles. If I recall Netscape skipped version 5? I have returned to SM 1.1 until someone wakes up and includes migration of all profiles. I have always kept my profiles separately as soon as I knew how to. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Richard wrote: John Doue wrote: Richard wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:25:30 -0800, Ant wrote: Hi! Is SeaMonkey ever going to get new v1.1 version or is v1.1.18 it? Just wondering since Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. When KaiRo gets back from his holiday, we will re-look at the situation. Basically Mozilla itself had abandoned the Gecko 1.8.1 platform some time ago but we were still getting some security fixes from Linux vendors who continued to upstream their fixes for a while. This seems to have dried up. We are trying to get a reply from the contact representing the consortium of Linux vendors that have long lived stable branches to see how much longer they will maintain this Gecko branch or if it has been abandoned completely. Unfortunately I fear that the latter is the case. Phil So were stuck with this ver 2, reminds me of a problem we had with a Netscape version way back, also a ver 2 I think or was it ver 3? Netscape lost a great deal of support and ground to ie after that particular disastrous version. Does anyone know of another Browser suite that allows multiple profiles? Sorry for pointing to the obvious, but do you have any serious reason to drop SM 1.1.18? I cannot imagine why you consider yourself stuck with version 2. Going back to SM 1.1.18 should not be difficult, even if you did not save your profile before going to SM 2.0. It will be a long while before SM 1.x is so outdated that it cannot be used reliably on the vast majority of sites. Safety is not either a serious issue with the normal array of protections serious surfers use. So the time you will spend restoring SM 1xx will not be wasted time. I go back to Netscape 3.2 and do not remember a disastrous version ... but I cannot say I tried them all. I believe you might be referring to 6.x when AOL interfered with Netscape. I never move to a newer version without making sure I can return to the previous one and I am sure I am glad I did so for Vista! Ya you're correct, it was version six, I have used Netscape since the beginning, I could not remember, only that there was a very disastrous version, believe it or not I was so anti ms then (for killing my browser) I stuck with it until last ver 7 upgrade, ver 8 was not used by me, then went to Mozilla, I need/want the multiple profiles. If I recall Netscape skipped version 5? I have returned to SM 1.1 until someone wakes up and includes migration of all profiles. I have always kept my profiles separately as soon as I knew how to. I believe you are right about version 5. I went the exact same way you did, and left 7.2 behind not so long ago to move to Mozilla suite, then to SM. I use only one profile, now that I am no longer married and my daughter still is too young to grasp the concept. A matter of some more months, I guess! Regards -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Interviewed by CNN on 17/11/2009 17:12, John Doue told the world: Richard wrote: Ya you're correct, it was version six, I have used Netscape since the beginning, I could not remember, only that there was a very disastrous version, believe it or not I was so anti ms then (for killing my browser) I stuck with it until last ver 7 upgrade, ver 8 was not used by me, then went to Mozilla, I need/want the multiple profiles. If I recall Netscape skipped version 5? I have returned to SM 1.1 until someone wakes up and includes migration of all profiles. I have always kept my profiles separately as soon as I knew how to. I believe you are right about version 5. I went the exact same way you did, and left 7.2 behind not so long ago to move to Mozilla suite, then to SM. I have seen two explanations regarding the skipping of version 5: one coming from marketing and the other from the development process. The marketing explanation was that they just jumped one version in order to seem more advanced. The development process is a bit more involved. Apparently, the idea at first was to develop two new versions of Netscape in parallel: V5 would be based on the old Netscape code, while V6 would be based on the new Mozilla Project code. V5 was eventually dropped entirely. Which is true? Probably a bit of both; people would talk about Netscape 5 and Netscape 6 internally, and when NS5 was cancelled, Marketing saw no reason to lower the version number of the new Netscape. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... An ounce of emotion is equal to a ton of facts. * TagZilla 0.0661 * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org on Seamonkey 2.0 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Netscape 5 would have been an update to the Netscape Communicator code, it was canceled in favor of a new rendering engine NGLayout which became Gecko. Netscape 6 was unfortunately based upon an alpha release of Mozilla Suite which was still in development. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape_5 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 17/11/2009 17:12, John Doue told the world: Richard wrote: /snip/ I have seen two explanations regarding the skipping of version 5: one coming from marketing and the other from the development process. The marketing explanation was that they just jumped one version in order to seem more advanced. The development process is a bit more involved. Apparently, the idea at first was to develop two new versions of Netscape in parallel: V5 would be based on the old Netscape code, while V6 would be based on the new Mozilla Project code. V5 was eventually dropped entirely. Which is true? Probably a bit of both; people would talk about Netscape 5 and Netscape 6 internally, and when NS5 was cancelled, Marketing saw no reason to lower the version number of the new Netscape. Okay, my understanding was that Netscape released the Communicator code to Open Source, hoping to develop a new version with help from the community. However, the old code had become so convoluted that only Netscape engineers could make much sense of it, leading to the founding of the Mozilla project and Gecko, on which Netscape 6 and later version was sourced. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Leonidas Jones wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 17/11/2009 17:12, John Doue told the world: Richard wrote: /snip/ I have seen two explanations regarding the skipping of version 5: one coming from marketing and the other from the development process. The marketing explanation was that they just jumped one version in order to seem more advanced. The development process is a bit more involved. Apparently, the idea at first was to develop two new versions of Netscape in parallel: V5 would be based on the old Netscape code, while V6 would be based on the new Mozilla Project code. V5 was eventually dropped entirely. Which is true? Probably a bit of both; people would talk about Netscape 5 and Netscape 6 internally, and when NS5 was cancelled, Marketing saw no reason to lower the version number of the new Netscape. Okay, my understanding was that Netscape released the Communicator code to Open Source, hoping to develop a new version with help from the community. However, the old code had become so convoluted that only Netscape engineers could make much sense of it, leading to the founding of the Mozilla project and Gecko, on which Netscape 6 and later version was sourced. Lee Thanks all for this bit of interesting history. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
On 11/15/2009 10:26 AM PT, David E. Ross typed: Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. SeaMonkey 1.1.18 is /not/ based on Firefox 2.0.0.20. It's not even based on Firefox. It's based on Gecko, and a newer version than the Gecko that shipped with Firefox 2.0.0.20, at that. That is what I am referring to. The same engine (Gecko) that Firefox 2.0.0.20. Firefox 2.0.0.20 uses Gecko 1.8.1.20. SeaMonkey 1.1.18 uses Gecko 1.8.1.23. Close enough. ;) SeaMonkey 2.0 and Firefox 3.5.3 both use Gecko 1.9.1.4. There are significant differences between Gecko 1.8.x and Gecko 1.9.x. Yes, I am aware of that. -- ...Like me with the anthill in my backyard. I spent days watching the ants, trying to figure out which ones were good, and which ones were bad, but they all just looked like ants, so I started smiting all of them. Well that's not -- I was smiting them with the garden hose, and with lighter fluid, and with the lawnmower, and to be perfectly honest, I think I went a little crazy with the shovel. Those ants could have been praying to me all day, I wouldn't have heard them. There was nothing they could do about it. But, I don't think -- Really, it's the same with us. There's nothing we can do about anything either, so why worry about it? Hey, this is making me feel better. Well, that's good, but -- I guess all we can do is live our lives with as much kindness and decency as possible, and try not to dwell on God standing over us with a giant shovel--Dewey and Teacher in Day Care episode from Malcolm in the Middle /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| |Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: phi...@earthlink.netant ( ) or ant...@zimage.com Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
David E. Ross wrote: On 11/15/2009 8:33 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 11/15/2009 7:11 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: /snip/ From Windows XP, the -profileManager parameter still works with SeaMonkey 2.0. Note that the p is lower-case and the M is upper-case. This is on Mac OSX 10.6. Lee Command Line Options at https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Command_Line_Options indicates the same command-line option works for Mac OSX as for PC WindowsXP. My whole point here is that it doesn't. It used to in 1.1.18, but not in 2.0. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Richard wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:25:30 -0800, Ant wrote: Hi! Is SeaMonkey ever going to get new v1.1 version or is v1.1.18 it? Just wondering since Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. When KaiRo gets back from his holiday, we will re-look at the situation. Basically Mozilla itself had abandoned the Gecko 1.8.1 platform some time ago but we were still getting some security fixes from Linux vendors who continued to upstream their fixes for a while. This seems to have dried up. We are trying to get a reply from the contact representing the consortium of Linux vendors that have long lived stable branches to see how much longer they will maintain this Gecko branch or if it has been abandoned completely. Unfortunately I fear that the latter is the case. Phil So were stuck with this ver 2, reminds me of a problem we had with a Netscape version way back, also a ver 2 I think or was it ver 3? Netscape lost a great deal of support and ground to ie after that particular disastrous version. Does anyone know of another Browser suite that allows multiple profiles? Are you implying that SM2 doesn't? Or just looking for an alternative? I'm stuck at 1.1.18 unless a form manager is restored, clicking on every field of a complex form just isn't a good use of my time. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
With patience akin to a cat's, Bill Davidsen, on 11/16/2009 9:22 AM typed: Richard wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:25:30 -0800, Ant wrote: Hi! Is SeaMonkey ever going to get new v1.1 version or is v1.1.18 it? Just wondering since Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. When KaiRo gets back from his holiday, we will re-look at the situation. Basically Mozilla itself had abandoned the Gecko 1.8.1 platform some time ago but we were still getting some security fixes from Linux vendors who continued to upstream their fixes for a while. This seems to have dried up. We are trying to get a reply from the contact representing the consortium of Linux vendors that have long lived stable branches to see how much longer they will maintain this Gecko branch or if it has been abandoned completely. Unfortunately I fear that the latter is the case. Phil So were stuck with this ver 2, reminds me of a problem we had with a Netscape version way back, also a ver 2 I think or was it ver 3? Netscape lost a great deal of support and ground to ie after that particular disastrous version. Does anyone know of another Browser suite that allows multiple profiles? Are you implying that SM2 doesn't? Or just looking for an alternative? I'm stuck at 1.1.18 unless a form manager is restored, clicking on every field of a complex form just isn't a good use of my time. Form History Control is said to do what you need and more. I don't use it myself, but those who do rate it highly and recommend it: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/12021 HTH -- -- /\ /\ | No amount of time can erase the ^o o^ D.K. Cat Kraft | memory of a good cat, and no amount -T- | of masking tape can ever totally ~ Lynnwood, WA | remove his fur from your couch. ___oOO___OOo___ |-- Leo Dworken ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
On 11/16/2009 9:16 AM, Leonidas Jones wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 11/15/2009 8:33 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 11/15/2009 7:11 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: /snip/ From Windows XP, the -profileManager parameter still works with SeaMonkey 2.0. Note that the p is lower-case and the M is upper-case. This is on Mac OSX 10.6. Lee Command Line Options at https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Command_Line_Options indicates the same command-line option works for Mac OSX as for PC WindowsXP. My whole point here is that it doesn't. It used to in 1.1.18, but not in 2.0. Lee That should be submitted as a bug report. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Richard wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:25:30 -0800, Ant wrote: Hi! Is SeaMonkey ever going to get new v1.1 version or is v1.1.18 it? Just wondering since Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. When KaiRo gets back from his holiday, we will re-look at the situation. Basically Mozilla itself had abandoned the Gecko 1.8.1 platform some time ago but we were still getting some security fixes from Linux vendors who continued to upstream their fixes for a while. This seems to have dried up. We are trying to get a reply from the contact representing the consortium of Linux vendors that have long lived stable branches to see how much longer they will maintain this Gecko branch or if it has been abandoned completely. Unfortunately I fear that the latter is the case. Phil So were stuck with this ver 2, reminds me of a problem we had with a Netscape version way back, also a ver 2 I think or was it ver 3? Netscape lost a great deal of support and ground to ie after that particular disastrous version. Does anyone know of another Browser suite that allows multiple profiles? SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features. Select Switch Profiles after opening SM 2.0, and you'll get the Profile Manager. Once you have more than one, it will come up by default at launch. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Rufus wrote: Richard wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:25:30 -0800, Ant wrote: Hi! Is SeaMonkey ever going to get new v1.1 version or is v1.1.18 it? Just wondering since Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. When KaiRo gets back from his holiday, we will re-look at the situation. Basically Mozilla itself had abandoned the Gecko 1.8.1 platform some time ago but we were still getting some security fixes from Linux vendors who continued to upstream their fixes for a while. This seems to have dried up. We are trying to get a reply from the contact representing the consortium of Linux vendors that have long lived stable branches to see how much longer they will maintain this Gecko branch or if it has been abandoned completely. Unfortunately I fear that the latter is the case. Phil So were stuck with this ver 2, reminds me of a problem we had with a Netscape version way back, also a ver 2 I think or was it ver 3? Netscape lost a great deal of support and ground to ie after that particular disastrous version. Does anyone know of another Browser suite that allows multiple profiles? SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features. Select Switch Profiles after opening SM 2.0, and you'll get the Profile Manager. Once you have more than one, it will come up by default at launch. I spent a week trying to recover my multiple profiles and eventually gave up, how can the developers of sm not see this as an issue and have something in the new version to take care of this? or at the very least warn users of this ISSUE and it is an issue, they really must be stupid. I take it the developers are either Linux users or act like Linux users such egg heads that they believe they are too smart for those of us unable to code! Well, I have sm at multiple sites and will certainly not be upgrading to ver2 and if I can find an alternate multi profile system I will, even if it means moving to the dreaded ie engine perminantly. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Richard wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:25:30 -0800, Ant wrote: Hi! Is SeaMonkey ever going to get new v1.1 version or is v1.1.18 it? Just wondering since Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. When KaiRo gets back from his holiday, we will re-look at the situation. Basically Mozilla itself had abandoned the Gecko 1.8.1 platform some time ago but we were still getting some security fixes from Linux vendors who continued to upstream their fixes for a while. This seems to have dried up. We are trying to get a reply from the contact representing the consortium of Linux vendors that have long lived stable branches to see how much longer they will maintain this Gecko branch or if it has been abandoned completely. Unfortunately I fear that the latter is the case. Phil So were stuck with this ver 2, reminds me of a problem we had with a Netscape version way back, also a ver 2 I think or was it ver 3? Netscape lost a great deal of support and ground to ie after that particular disastrous version. Does anyone know of another Browser suite that allows multiple profiles? Sorry for pointing to the obvious, but do you have any serious reason to drop SM 1.1.18? I cannot imagine why you consider yourself stuck with version 2. Going back to SM 1.1.18 should not be difficult, even if you did not save your profile before going to SM 2.0. It will be a long while before SM 1.x is so outdated that it cannot be used reliably on the vast majority of sites. Safety is not either a serious issue with the normal array of protections serious surfers use. So the time you will spend restoring SM 1xx will not be wasted time. I go back to Netscape 3.2 and do not remember a disastrous version ... but I cannot say I tried them all. I believe you might be referring to 6.x when AOL interfered with Netscape. I never move to a newer version without making sure I can return to the previous one and I am sure I am glad I did so for Vista! -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Ant wrote: Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. SeaMonkey 1.1.18 is /not/ based on Firefox 2.0.0.20. It's not even based on Firefox. It's based on Gecko, and a newer version than the Gecko that shipped with Firefox 2.0.0.20, at that. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Rufus wrote: SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features. What makes you say that? As another reply to your post says, it still pops up when you have more than one profile. It has never popped up by default when you only have one. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features. What makes you say that? As another reply to your post says, it still pops up when you have more than one profile. It has never popped up by default when you only have one. Or is it, that after installation, there is no submenu profile-manager entry in the Start Menu, Program? I do not remember and routinely delete those submenus after customizing them into a different location. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
On 11/15/2009 12:10 AM, Richard wrote: Rufus wrote: Richard wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:25:30 -0800, Ant wrote: Hi! Is SeaMonkey ever going to get new v1.1 version or is v1.1.18 it? Just wondering since Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. When KaiRo gets back from his holiday, we will re-look at the situation. Basically Mozilla itself had abandoned the Gecko 1.8.1 platform some time ago but we were still getting some security fixes from Linux vendors who continued to upstream their fixes for a while. This seems to have dried up. We are trying to get a reply from the contact representing the consortium of Linux vendors that have long lived stable branches to see how much longer they will maintain this Gecko branch or if it has been abandoned completely. Unfortunately I fear that the latter is the case. Phil So were stuck with this ver 2, reminds me of a problem we had with a Netscape version way back, also a ver 2 I think or was it ver 3? Netscape lost a great deal of support and ground to ie after that particular disastrous version. Does anyone know of another Browser suite that allows multiple profiles? SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features. Select Switch Profiles after opening SM 2.0, and you'll get the Profile Manager. Once you have more than one, it will come up by default at launch. I spent a week trying to recover my multiple profiles and eventually gave up, how can the developers of sm not see this as an issue and have something in the new version to take care of this? or at the very least warn users of this ISSUE and it is an issue, they really must be stupid. I take it the developers are either Linux users or act like Linux users such egg heads that they believe they are too smart for those of us unable to code! Well, I have sm at multiple sites and will certainly not be upgrading to ver2 and if I can find an alternate multi profile system I will, even if it means moving to the dreaded ie engine perminantly. I using SeaMonkey 2 on Windows XP SP2. I installed it one evening and went to bed. After breakfast the next morning, I migrated my primary profile and three others successfully. No, the instructions for migrating profiles were not as clear as they should be. But installing SeaMonkey 2 in a different location than SeaMonkey 1.1.18 was important. Backing-up my SeaMonkey 1.1.18 before installing SeaMonkey 2 proved to be important (primarily because, at first, I tried installing SeaMonkey 2 directly over SeaMonkey 1.1.18). After installation, I found that I had to review about:config for SeaMonkey 2 to correct preferences that pointed to my local files. They had to point to the SeaMonkey 2 files instead of SeaMonkey 1.1.18 files. I also had to set some preference variables in user.js in my SeaMonkey 2 profiles because of open bug reports #526399 and #338549, but I already had entries in user.js for SeaMonkey 1.1.x bugs. Finally, I submitted a few bug reports of my own; but I've submitted many such reports against SeaMonkey 1.1.x. Now, I'm using SeaMonkey 2. I found that I needed one less extension because that extension's capabilities were better implemented in the basic SeaMonkey. I found that the long-awaited Web fonts capability had been implemented. And I found a number of old bugs that I had been tracking are now closed, not merely because they were asserted to be closed but as a result of my own testing. I will likely remove SeaMonkey 1.1.18 in about a month. I've used it only to check to see if certain SeaMonkey 2 anomalies also existed in SeaMonkey 1.1.18. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features. What makes you say that? As another reply to your post says, it still pops up when you have more than one profile. It has never popped up by default when you only have one. Initially I only had one Profile...and using the usual method of holding down the option key at startup no longer brings up the Profile Manager...it activates some sort of safe mode. Nice feature, no notification. Like the other poster, I had to search to find a way to add a second Profile - because not all of my 1.1.18 Profiles were transfered during the upgrade...the way to do that wasn't obvious based on previous behavior. Hidden, moved, revised...whatever. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
On 11/15/2009 6:55 AM PT, Benoit Renard typed: Ant wrote: Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. SeaMonkey 1.1.18 is /not/ based on Firefox 2.0.0.20. It's not even based on Firefox. It's based on Gecko, and a newer version than the Gecko that shipped with Firefox 2.0.0.20, at that. That is what I am referring to. The same engine (Gecko) that Firefox 2.0.0.20. -- When the ants unite their mouths, they can carry an elephant. --Mossian Proverb /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| |Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: phi...@earthlink.netant ( ) or ant...@zimage.com Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
On 11/15/2009 9:11 AM, Ant wrote: On 11/15/2009 6:55 AM PT, Benoit Renard typed: Ant wrote: Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. SeaMonkey 1.1.18 is /not/ based on Firefox 2.0.0.20. It's not even based on Firefox. It's based on Gecko, and a newer version than the Gecko that shipped with Firefox 2.0.0.20, at that. That is what I am referring to. The same engine (Gecko) that Firefox 2.0.0.20. Firefox 2.0.0.20 uses Gecko 1.8.1.20. SeaMonkey 1.1.18 uses Gecko 1.8.1.23. SeaMonkey 2.0 and Firefox 3.5.3 both use Gecko 1.9.1.4. There are significant differences between Gecko 1.8.x and Gecko 1.9.x. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
David E. Ross wrote: On 11/15/2009 12:10 AM, Richard wrote: Rufus wrote: Richard wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:25:30 -0800, Ant wrote: Hi! Is SeaMonkey ever going to get new v1.1 version or is v1.1.18 it? Just wondering since Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. When KaiRo gets back from his holiday, we will re-look at the situation. Basically Mozilla itself had abandoned the Gecko 1.8.1 platform some time ago but we were still getting some security fixes from Linux vendors who continued to upstream their fixes for a while. This seems to have dried up. We are trying to get a reply from the contact representing the consortium of Linux vendors that have long lived stable branches to see how much longer they will maintain this Gecko branch or if it has been abandoned completely. Unfortunately I fear that the latter is the case. Phil So were stuck with this ver 2, reminds me of a problem we had with a Netscape version way back, also a ver 2 I think or was it ver 3? Netscape lost a great deal of support and ground to ie after that particular disastrous version. Does anyone know of another Browser suite that allows multiple profiles? SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features. Select Switch Profiles after opening SM 2.0, and you'll get the Profile Manager. Once you have more than one, it will come up by default at launch. I spent a week trying to recover my multiple profiles and eventually gave up, how can the developers of sm not see this as an issue and have something in the new version to take care of this? or at the very least warn users of this ISSUE and it is an issue, they really must be stupid. I take it the developers are either Linux users or act like Linux users such egg heads that they believe they are too smart for those of us unable to code! Well, I have sm at multiple sites and will certainly not be upgrading to ver2 and if I can find an alternate multi profile system I will, even if it means moving to the dreaded ie engine perminantly. I using SeaMonkey 2 on Windows XP SP2. I installed it one evening and went to bed. After breakfast the next morning, I migrated my primary profile and three others successfully. No, the instructions for migrating profiles were not as clear as they should be. But installing SeaMonkey 2 in a different location than SeaMonkey 1.1.18 was important. Backing-up my SeaMonkey 1.1.18 before installing SeaMonkey 2 proved to be important (primarily because, at first, I tried installing SeaMonkey 2 directly over SeaMonkey 1.1.18). After installation, I found that I had to review about:config for SeaMonkey 2 to correct preferences that pointed to my local files. They had to point to the SeaMonkey 2 files instead of SeaMonkey 1.1.18 files. I also had to set some preference variables in user.js in my SeaMonkey 2 profiles because of open bug reports #526399 and #338549, but I already had entries in user.js for SeaMonkey 1.1.x bugs. Finally, I submitted a few bug reports of my own; but I've submitted many such reports against SeaMonkey 1.1.x. Now, I'm using SeaMonkey 2. I found that I needed one less extension because that extension's capabilities were better implemented in the basic SeaMonkey. I found that the long-awaited Web fonts capability had been implemented. And I found a number of old bugs that I had been tracking are now closed, not merely because they were asserted to be closed but as a result of my own testing. I will likely remove SeaMonkey 1.1.18 in about a month. I've used it only to check to see if certain SeaMonkey 2 anomalies also existed in SeaMonkey 1.1.18. David: Please help those of us struggling to migrate multiple profiles in different user areas of Win XP SP3. Precisely what are the steps used to migrate these profiles? What preference variables did you have to set in user.js? What changes did you make in about:config? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
John Doue wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features. What makes you say that? As another reply to your post says, it still pops up when you have more than one profile. It has never popped up by default when you only have one. Or is it, that after installation, there is no submenu profile-manager entry in the Start Menu, Program? I do not remember and routinely delete those submenus after customizing them into a different location. No - it's that the option for opening the Profile Manager on launch with a key sequence if you only have one Profile is now gone. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
On 11/15/2009 11:56 AM, Lance Courtland wrote: David: Please help those of us struggling to migrate multiple profiles in different user areas of Win XP SP3. Precisely what are the steps used to migrate these profiles? What preference variables did you have to set in user.js? What changes did you make in about:config? Since I expect my further actions to be within SeaMonkey 2.0, I did not record how I migrated my profiles. I will try to give you what I remember. 1. I installed SeaMonkey 2.0 in Windows XP in a different directory than SeaMonkey 1.1.18. SeaMonkey 1.1.18 is in C:\Seamonkey. SeaMonkey 2.0 is in C:\SeaMonkey2. Somehow, I did not see the migration wizard operating for my primary profile. This might be because my SeaMonkey 1.1.18 profiles are not in the default location C:\Documents and Settings\User\Application Data\Mozilla\Profiles. Instead, they are under C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\Mozilla. 2. I launched SeaMonkey 2.0 and requested [Tools Switch Profile] from the menu bar to launch the Profile Manager. On the Profile Manager window, I selected the Manage Profiles button. I then created a dummy profile for each of the four profiles that I wanted to migrate. These dummy profiles were created in directories separate from the SeaMonkey 1.1.18 profiles, under C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\SeaMonkey. (The names of the profiles are the same, but they are under different directories.) I then terminated SeaMonkey and the Profile Manager. 3. For each SeaMonkey 2.0 profile, I deleted the contents of the dummy profile and then copied the contents of the corresponding SeaMonkey 1.1.18 profile into the SeaMonkey 2.0 profile. This involved not only files but also subdirectories and their files. 4. On the Windows taskbar, I selected [Start Run]. I followed the instructions at http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_migration_-_SeaMonkey#Manual_migration, repeating for each profile. In my case the command for my David profile was: C:\SeaMonkey2\seamonkey.exe -P C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\SeaMonkey\David -migration all on a single line. Note that the quotes were required because the path to my profile involved names containing blanks. 5. (While I didn't do the following, I should have. Instead, I dithered around for a few days, fixing the file paths only as I noticed something didn't work correctly. By the time the light dawned, my review of about:config showed that I had already corrected almost all of the file paths.) Repeat this in SeaMonkey 2.0 for each migrated profile. On the SeaMonkey address area, enter about:config. Slowly scroll through all entries, looking for values that point to files on your PC. Change values specific to SeaMonkey 1.1.x to being specific to SeaMonkey 2.0. For example, my home page is my bookmarks file. The preference variable browser.startup.homepage was still pointing to my SeaMonkey 1.1.18 bookmarks.html file; I had to change it to point to my SeaMonkey 2.0 bookmarks.html file. 6. To address bugs, I put the following into the user.js files in each of my profiles. user_pref(browser.download.manager.showAlertOnComplete, false); // no alert on completing download; bug #526399 user_pref(signon.startup.prompt, false); // don't ask for master password until it's used, bug #338549 Don't forget the semi-colon at the end of the user_pref command. Note that I use user.js so that I can annotate why I'm changing a preference; comment lines begin with double-slash. The user.js file updates your preferences only when SeaMonkey is launched; thus, you must terminate and then restart SeaMonkey after entering these in user.js. If these bugs are ever fixed, I will delete these entries from user.js and use about:config to reset the variables. 7. To address a reduced capability for setting user IDs and passwords for Web site logins, I installed the Activate Autocomplete extension. It can be found at http://www.smart-roadster-club.de/off-topic/mozilla/extensions/activate-autocomplete/. There is a bug report on this problem, but I can't get it right now because Bugzilla is being updated. 8. I also installed the following extensions: * Adblock Plus 1.1.1 http://adblockplus.org/ * Flashblock 1.3.14 http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ * PrefBar 4.3.0 http://prefbar.mozdev.org/ * Show Password On Input 0.1.3 https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/6143/ Adblock Plus 1.1.1 is specifically for SeaMonkey 2.0 (and Firefox 3.5.x). PrefBar 4.3.0 will work with SeaMonkey 1.1.18 but was developed for SeaMonkey 2.0; there are also some button changes for SeaMonkey 2.0. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Richard wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:25:30 -0800, Ant wrote: Hi! Is SeaMonkey ever going to get new v1.1 version or is v1.1.18 it? Just wondering since Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. When KaiRo gets back from his holiday, we will re-look at the situation. Basically Mozilla itself had abandoned the Gecko 1.8.1 platform some time ago but we were still getting some security fixes from Linux vendors who continued to upstream their fixes for a while. This seems to have dried up. We are trying to get a reply from the contact representing the consortium of Linux vendors that have long lived stable branches to see how much longer they will maintain this Gecko branch or if it has been abandoned completely. Unfortunately I fear that the latter is the case. Phil So were stuck with this ver 2, reminds me of a problem we had with a Netscape version way back, also a ver 2 I think or was it ver 3? Netscape lost a great deal of support and ground to ie after that particular disastrous version. Does anyone know of another Browser suite that allows multiple profiles? Probably 3.0.1.a gold. At that point we switched to Communicator. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Richard wrote: Rufus wrote: Richard wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:25:30 -0800, Ant wrote: Hi! Is SeaMonkey ever going to get new v1.1 version or is v1.1.18 it? Just wondering since Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. When KaiRo gets back from his holiday, we will re-look at the situation. Basically Mozilla itself had abandoned the Gecko 1.8.1 platform some time ago but we were still getting some security fixes from Linux vendors who continued to upstream their fixes for a while. This seems to have dried up. We are trying to get a reply from the contact representing the consortium of Linux vendors that have long lived stable branches to see how much longer they will maintain this Gecko branch or if it has been abandoned completely. Unfortunately I fear that the latter is the case. Phil So were stuck with this ver 2, reminds me of a problem we had with a Netscape version way back, also a ver 2 I think or was it ver 3? Netscape lost a great deal of support and ground to ie after that particular disastrous version. Does anyone know of another Browser suite that allows multiple profiles? SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features. Select Switch Profiles after opening SM 2.0, and you'll get the Profile Manager. Once you have more than one, it will come up by default at launch. I spent a week trying to recover my multiple profiles and eventually gave up, how can the developers of sm not see this as an issue and have something in the new version to take care of this? or at the very least warn users of this ISSUE and it is an issue, they really must be stupid. I take it the developers are either Linux users or act like Linux users such egg heads that they believe they are too smart for those of us unable to code! Well, I have sm at multiple sites and will certainly not be upgrading to ver2 and if I can find an alternate multi-profile system I will, even if it means moving to the dreaded ie engine permanently. You certainly won't find an all in on over in MS line. IE has never has an all in one even when it was IE 2 it was IE/OE both of which on the mac were worse than terrible. Opera has a Mail client built in I've never set it up. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features. What makes you say that? As another reply to your post says, it still pops up when you have more than one profile. It has never popped up by default when you only have one. It doesn't pop up if there is only one. But, it does after you go to switch Profile. and create one. Then it will as long as there is more than just one Profile. Ages ago it would come up on start up you could then check a box and it would disappear forever until you want to create a new profile. The decided to hide it, but have it so you could get to it by going to switch profiles. It was several versions before this appeared, You had to use a work around to get to it. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Ant wrote: On 11/15/2009 6:55 AM PT, Benoit Renard typed: Ant wrote: Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. SeaMonkey 1.1.18 is /not/ based on Firefox 2.0.0.20. It's not even based on Firefox. It's based on Gecko, and a newer version than the Gecko that shipped with Firefox 2.0.0.20, at that. That is what I am referring to. The same engine (Gecko) that Firefox 2.0.0.20. SM2 is based on the Gecko 1.9.1 engine that is in the 3.5.x series of FireFox and possible the 3 version of TB for the mail and news I haven't installed TB on this Machine since I had to replace the HD on this computer. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Phillip Jones wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features. What makes you say that? As another reply to your post says, it still pops up when you have more than one profile. It has never popped up by default when you only have one. It doesn't pop up if there is only one. But, it does after you go to switch Profile. and create one. Then it will as long as there is more than just one Profile. Ages ago it would come up on start up you could then check a box and it would disappear forever until you want to create a new profile. The decided to hide it, but have it so you could get to it by going to switch profiles. It was several versions before this appeared, You had to use a work around to get to it. You used to have an option to bring it up at launch, if you only had one and wanted to create a new one from the start...that was handy, particularly if you are missing one/some and want to manually re-create the new one to get started. After that, the rest is obvious...again, another change from previous behavior/expectation that's not very clear from the outset when upgrading. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
On 11/15/2009 3:07 PM, Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features. What makes you say that? As another reply to your post says, it still pops up when you have more than one profile. It has never popped up by default when you only have one. It doesn't pop up if there is only one. But, it does after you go to switch Profile. and create one. Then it will as long as there is more than just one Profile. Ages ago it would come up on start up you could then check a box and it would disappear forever until you want to create a new profile. The decided to hide it, but have it so you could get to it by going to switch profiles. It was several versions before this appeared, You had to use a work around to get to it. You used to have an option to bring it up at launch, if you only had one and wanted to create a new one from the start...that was handy, particularly if you are missing one/some and want to manually re-create the new one to get started. After that, the rest is obvious...again, another change from previous behavior/expectation that's not very clear from the outset when upgrading. When I installed SeaMonkey 2.0, I got an item in my [Start Programs] list for the Profile Manager. It's a shortcut to C:\SeaMonkey2\seamonkey.exe -profileManager (since I installed SeaMonkey 2.0 in C:\SeaMonkey2\. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
David E. Ross wrote: On 11/15/2009 3:07 PM, Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features. What makes you say that? As another reply to your post says, it still pops up when you have more than one profile. It has never popped up by default when you only have one. It doesn't pop up if there is only one. But, it does after you go to switch Profile. and create one. Then it will as long as there is more than just one Profile. Ages ago it would come up on start up you could then check a box and it would disappear forever until you want to create a new profile. The decided to hide it, but have it so you could get to it by going to switch profiles. It was several versions before this appeared, You had to use a work around to get to it. You used to have an option to bring it up at launch, if you only had one and wanted to create a new one from the start...that was handy, particularly if you are missing one/some and want to manually re-create the new one to get started. After that, the rest is obvious...again, another change from previous behavior/expectation that's not very clear from the outset when upgrading. When I installed SeaMonkey 2.0, I got an item in my [Start Programs] list for the Profile Manager. It's a shortcut to C:\SeaMonkey2\seamonkey.exe -profileManager (since I installed SeaMonkey 2.0 inC:\SeaMonkey2\. I'm using a Mac - formerly, one could launch while holding the option key to bring up the Profile Manager - no more; now that invokes some sort of safe mode, which while a good idea is a fairly awkward interface change without any amplification to the user. Now once SM 2.0 is launched I can bring up the PM under Tools/Switch Profile, but it took me some time to figure that out...if SM 2.0 had migrated all my Profiles from 1.1.18 (like it SHOULD have) I'd have never had an issue. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features. What makes you say that? As another reply to your post says, it still pops up when you have more than one profile. It has never popped up by default when you only have one. Initially I only had one Profile...and using the usual method of holding down the option key at startup no longer brings up the Profile Manager...it activates some sort of safe mode. Nice feature, no notification. Like the other poster, I had to search to find a way to add a second Profile - because not all of my 1.1.18 Profiles were transfered during the upgrade...the way to do that wasn't obvious based on previous behavior. Hidden, moved, revised...whatever. I agree that some notice might have been nice, but it is actually an improvement. If you have one profile, you can still invoke Profile Manager via ToolsSwitch Profile, or using Terminal. That beats Firefox, where Profile Manager can only be invoked via Terminal. And you now have an easy way to invoke Safe Mode, which used to require Terminal. Yes the migration wizard is geared for the average user, who has only one profile, and may not even know what a profile is. For me it worked fine. The two other profiles I had were a test profile, and my Netscape 7.2 profile, which still runs fine in that application. That works well for me, since I now won't open NS or SM in the wrong profile. If you have multiple profiles, you can still set it to open Profile Manager at startup. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features. What makes you say that? As another reply to your post says, it still pops up when you have more than one profile. It has never popped up by default when you only have one. Initially I only had one Profile...and using the usual method of holding down the option key at startup no longer brings up the Profile Manager...it activates some sort of safe mode. Nice feature, no notification. Like the other poster, I had to search to find a way to add a second Profile - because not all of my 1.1.18 Profiles were transfered during the upgrade...the way to do that wasn't obvious based on previous behavior. Hidden, moved, revised...whatever. I agree that some notice might have been nice, but it is actually an improvement. If you have one profile, you can still invoke Profile Manager via ToolsSwitch Profile, or using Terminal. That beats Firefox, where Profile Manager can only be invoked via Terminal. And you now have an easy way to invoke Safe Mode, which used to require Terminal. Yes the migration wizard is geared for the average user, who has only one profile, and may not even know what a profile is. For me it worked fine. The two other profiles I had were a test profile, and my Netscape 7.2 profile, which still runs fine in that application. That works well for me, since I now won't open NS or SM in the wrong profile. If you have multiple profiles, you can still set it to open Profile Manager at startup. Lee Fudge, the following Terminal command used to open Profile Manager: /Applications/SeaMonkey.app/Contents/MacOS/seamonkey-bin -profilemanager It does not seem to work anymore. Anybody have an idea of how to open PM from Terminal? Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features. What makes you say that? As another reply to your post says, it still pops up when you have more than one profile. It has never popped up by default when you only have one. Initially I only had one Profile...and using the usual method of holding down the option key at startup no longer brings up the Profile Manager...it activates some sort of safe mode. Nice feature, no notification. Like the other poster, I had to search to find a way to add a second Profile - because not all of my 1.1.18 Profiles were transfered during the upgrade...the way to do that wasn't obvious based on previous behavior. Hidden, moved, revised...whatever. I agree that some notice might have been nice, but it is actually an improvement. If you have one profile, you can still invoke Profile Manager via ToolsSwitch Profile, or using Terminal. That beats Firefox, where Profile Manager can only be invoked via Terminal. And you now have an easy way to invoke Safe Mode, which used to require Terminal. ...any improvement that a user can't find or use is...useless. Especially when it's a change to a previous and thus expected implementation. Nice improvement, lousy implementation from a user perspective. Yes the migration wizard is geared for the average user, who has only one profile, and may not even know what a profile is. The migration wizard should have been built to handle the worst case - the average user wold have been a subset of that. For me it worked fine. The two other profiles I had were a test profile, and my Netscape 7.2 profile, which still runs fine in that application. That works well for me, since I now won't open NS or SM in the wrong profile. Given that my second profile was a very simple one, it worked out for me...eventually. If you have multiple profiles, you can still set it to open Profile Manager at startup. Lee It does now, now that I have more than one. But I can't find any option for doing that - SM 2.0 just does it since I now have more than one...if I can do it by changing about:config that a bit outside of being an average user, IMO. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Leonidas Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features. What makes you say that? As another reply to your post says, it still pops up when you have more than one profile. It has never popped up by default when you only have one. Initially I only had one Profile...and using the usual method of holding down the option key at startup no longer brings up the Profile Manager...it activates some sort of safe mode. Nice feature, no notification. Like the other poster, I had to search to find a way to add a second Profile - because not all of my 1.1.18 Profiles were transfered during the upgrade...the way to do that wasn't obvious based on previous behavior. Hidden, moved, revised...whatever. I agree that some notice might have been nice, but it is actually an improvement. If you have one profile, you can still invoke Profile Manager via ToolsSwitch Profile, or using Terminal. That beats Firefox, where Profile Manager can only be invoked via Terminal. And you now have an easy way to invoke Safe Mode, which used to require Terminal. Yes the migration wizard is geared for the average user, who has only one profile, and may not even know what a profile is. For me it worked fine. The two other profiles I had were a test profile, and my Netscape 7.2 profile, which still runs fine in that application. That works well for me, since I now won't open NS or SM in the wrong profile. If you have multiple profiles, you can still set it to open Profile Manager at startup. Lee Fudge, the following Terminal command used to open Profile Manager: /Applications/SeaMonkey.app/Contents/MacOS/seamonkey-bin -profilemanager It does not seem to work anymore. Anybody have an idea of how to open PM from Terminal? Lee I used to keep the standalone PM app from NS hanging around and just use it...but I doubt that would work these days either. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
On 11/15/2009 7:11 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features. What makes you say that? As another reply to your post says, it still pops up when you have more than one profile. It has never popped up by default when you only have one. Initially I only had one Profile...and using the usual method of holding down the option key at startup no longer brings up the Profile Manager...it activates some sort of safe mode. Nice feature, no notification. Like the other poster, I had to search to find a way to add a second Profile - because not all of my 1.1.18 Profiles were transfered during the upgrade...the way to do that wasn't obvious based on previous behavior. Hidden, moved, revised...whatever. I agree that some notice might have been nice, but it is actually an improvement. If you have one profile, you can still invoke Profile Manager via ToolsSwitch Profile, or using Terminal. That beats Firefox, where Profile Manager can only be invoked via Terminal. And you now have an easy way to invoke Safe Mode, which used to require Terminal. Yes the migration wizard is geared for the average user, who has only one profile, and may not even know what a profile is. For me it worked fine. The two other profiles I had were a test profile, and my Netscape 7.2 profile, which still runs fine in that application. That works well for me, since I now won't open NS or SM in the wrong profile. If you have multiple profiles, you can still set it to open Profile Manager at startup. Lee Fudge, the following Terminal command used to open Profile Manager: /Applications/SeaMonkey.app/Contents/MacOS/seamonkey-bin -profilemanager It does not seem to work anymore. Anybody have an idea of how to open PM from Terminal? Lee From Windows XP, the -profileManager parameter still works with SeaMonkey 2.0. Note that the p is lower-case and the M is upper-case. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: /snip/ Fudge, the following Terminal command used to open Profile Manager: /Applications/SeaMonkey.app/Contents/MacOS/seamonkey-bin -profilemanager It does not seem to work anymore. Anybody have an idea of how to open PM from Terminal? Lee I used to keep the standalone PM app from NS hanging around and just use it...but I doubt that would work these days either. I didn't think that worked since OS9. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
David E. Ross wrote: On 11/15/2009 7:11 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: /snip/ Fudge, the following Terminal command used to open Profile Manager: /Applications/SeaMonkey.app/Contents/MacOS/seamonkey-bin -profilemanager It does not seem to work anymore. Anybody have an idea of how to open PM from Terminal? Lee From Windows XP, the -profileManager parameter still works with SeaMonkey 2.0. Note that the p is lower-case and the M is upper-case. This is on Mac OSX 10.6. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: /snip/ If you have multiple profiles, you can still set it to open Profile Manager at startup. Lee It does now, now that I have more than one. But I can't find any option for doing that - SM 2.0 just does it since I now have more than one...if I can do it by changing about:config that a bit outside of being an average user, IMO. Once Profile Manager is open, uncheck the box for Don't ask at atartup. Profile Manager will then open whenever you click the Dock icon. Check it, and SM will open in the last profile used. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: /snip/ Fudge, the following Terminal command used to open Profile Manager: /Applications/SeaMonkey.app/Contents/MacOS/seamonkey-bin -profilemanager It does not seem to work anymore. Anybody have an idea of how to open PM from Terminal? Lee I used to keep the standalone PM app from NS hanging around and just use it...but I doubt that would work these days either. I didn't think that worked since OS9. Lee Just checked - it still works under 10.4.11...I may give it a try on my other machines. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: /snip/ If you have multiple profiles, you can still set it to open Profile Manager at startup. Lee It does now, now that I have more than one. But I can't find any option for doing that - SM 2.0 just does it since I now have more than one...if I can do it by changing about:config that a bit outside of being an average user, IMO. Once Profile Manager is open, uncheck the box for Don't ask at atartup. Profile Manager will then open whenever you click the Dock icon. Check it, and SM will open in the last profile used. Lee Yeah - done that. Now it does, now that I have two Profiles. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
On 11/15/2009 8:33 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 11/15/2009 7:11 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: /snip/ Fudge, the following Terminal command used to open Profile Manager: /Applications/SeaMonkey.app/Contents/MacOS/seamonkey-bin -profilemanager It does not seem to work anymore. Anybody have an idea of how to open PM from Terminal? Lee From Windows XP, the -profileManager parameter still works with SeaMonkey 2.0. Note that the p is lower-case and the M is upper-case. This is on Mac OSX 10.6. Lee Command Line Options at https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Command_Line_Options indicates the same command-line option works for Mac OSX as for PC WindowsXP. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Hi! Is SeaMonkey ever going to get new v1.1 version or is v1.1.18 it? Just wondering since Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. Thank you in advance. :) -- Where there is sugar, there are bound to be ants. --Malay Proverb /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| |Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: phi...@earthlink.netant ( ) or ant...@zimage.com Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Ant wrote: Hi! Is SeaMonkey ever going to get new v1.1 version or is v1.1.18 it? Just wondering since Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. Thank you in advance. :) Afraid so. won't even be any new security fixes. They should hashed out bugs for another 2 months. But SM 2 is here and this is what we have. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:25:30 -0800, Ant wrote: Hi! Is SeaMonkey ever going to get new v1.1 version or is v1.1.18 it? Just wondering since Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. When KaiRo gets back from his holiday, we will re-look at the situation. Basically Mozilla itself had abandoned the Gecko 1.8.1 platform some time ago but we were still getting some security fixes from Linux vendors who continued to upstream their fixes for a while. This seems to have dried up. We are trying to get a reply from the contact representing the consortium of Linux vendors that have long lived stable branches to see how much longer they will maintain this Gecko branch or if it has been abandoned completely. Unfortunately I fear that the latter is the case. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. [ ]Okay - right after this one we're BACK to the TOPIC! * TagZilla 0.066.6 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:25:30 -0800, Ant wrote: Hi! Is SeaMonkey ever going to get new v1.1 version or is v1.1.18 it? Just wondering since Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. When KaiRo gets back from his holiday, we will re-look at the situation. Basically Mozilla itself had abandoned the Gecko 1.8.1 platform some time ago but we were still getting some security fixes from Linux vendors who continued to upstream their fixes for a while. This seems to have dried up. We are trying to get a reply from the contact representing the consortium of Linux vendors that have long lived stable branches to see how much longer they will maintain this Gecko branch or if it has been abandoned completely. Unfortunately I fear that the latter is the case. Phil So were stuck with this ver 2, reminds me of a problem we had with a Netscape version way back, also a ver 2 I think or was it ver 3? Netscape lost a great deal of support and ground to ie after that particular disastrous version. Does anyone know of another Browser suite that allows multiple profiles? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
