Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.53.3

[Bill Spikowski]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

NFN Smith wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

I'm trying to update my Seamonkey 2.49.5 installations on Win10 and Win7 
computers.

The installations seem to work fine; but then a couple hours later, I see that 
SM has regressed to version 2.49.5. This has happened twice each on two 
different Win10 computers. I've looked at the various warnings about this 
update but can't find any that would explain this behavior.

What might I be missing???


I'm not aware of specific issues, but I know that when I upgraded to 2.53.1, I 
uninstalled 2.49.5 first (as well as backing up my profiles by copying the 
contents of %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey to another location).

I'm wondering if there's a possibility of you having problems with 32 and 64 
bit versions.  If your 2.49.5 is 32 bit and you're running a 64 bit installer 
for 2.53.3, I'm pretty sure the release notes instruct you to uninstall the 32 
bit version first. In Windows, 32 bit files are normally put in c:\program 
files (x86) and 64 bit files are normally put in c:\program files.

Technically, it is possible to install multiple versions of Seamonkey side by 
side (as long as you don't run them simultaneously), and I have done this on a 
virtual machine.

My suspicion is that you may have two versions installed, and where the 
shortcut you're using for launching Seamonkey points to the installation of 
2.49.5.

If you want to dig further, two things to look at:

1) Right-click on a Seamonkey icon, look at the Properties and go to the 
Shortcut tab, and in the Target line, note the name/location of what binary 
file is being opened.

2) Use the Explorer to check your Program Files and Program Files (x86) 
folders. Check to see which (or both) have Seamonkey folders. Check the 
properties (Details tab) of any Seamonkey.exe files to verify version numbers.

If you're seeing any indication of Seamonkey installed in multiple locations, I 
suggest making sure you uninstall all copies of Seamonkey (and Windows will 
probably also report two versions active), and then install a new copy.

Smith



Yes -- I think this turned out to be my problem!

I had 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Seamonkey installed on both machines; one 
with both versions of 2.53.3, and one with 2.53.3 and 2.49.5.

I uninstalled the 32-bit versions and adjusted the shortcuts to point to the 
64-bit versions, and both machines worked properly right away -- didn't even 
require use of my backed-up profiles.

I probably was running both versions at once. I normally keep the mail window 
open all day, and typically open and close multiple browser windows as I need 
them. The conflict probably accounted for yesterday's strange behavior of my 
POP3 email servers as well!

As always, I greatly appreciate those in this group who go to the trouble of 
helping out we the bewildered!



Be warned that "running both versions at once" is a very dangerous - ok, 
suicidal - thing to do with those two versions.
When you move from a 2.49.x (or older) version to a 2.53.x version, the profile 
undergoes some migration reformatting which renders part of it useless for 
2.49.x levels.  That is the reason for THOSE BIG WARNINGS IN RED IN THE RELEASE 
NOTES which you should have seen.
If you then do a fallback to a 2.49.x level then it will mark some of the files 
as unuseable and rename them, replacing them with valid files with no content.  
I'm rather assuming that going forwards again will cause those no-content files 
to be migrated in turn, you will have lost your original data.
The Release Notes are slightly misleading here in that there are imho no 
problems switching between 2.53.x (or 2.49.x) releases, just when you switch 
between the two families.



Yes -- I saw the clear warnings about NOT going back after updating -- that's 
why I was so concerned when it seemed to be happening to me, despite my best 
efforts to avoid it...

I seem to have suffered few if any ill effects; maybe because I never tried to "go 
back." When I was (inadvertently) running 2.49 again, I did notice difficulties with 
my POP mail server; but once I deleted the 2.49 version and both of my 32-bit versions, 
those problems disappeared.

I keep rigorous daily backups, otherwise I'd be petrified to update important 
software at all!


 


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Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.53.3

[NFN Smith]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Be warned that "running both versions at once" is a very dangerous - ok, 
suicidal - thing to do with those two versions.


When you move from a 2.49.x (or older) version to a 2.53.x version, the 
profile undergoes some migration reformatting which renders part of it 
useless for 2.49.x levels.  That is the reason for THOSE BIG WARNINGS IN 
RED IN THE RELEASE NOTES which you should have seen.


Something that I neglected to mention when I noted that I have had two 
versions installed simultaneously is that it's essential that each 
version have its own profile.


This is something that comes from Firefox since about version 54 or 55, 
in that profiles are not backward-compatible. In Seamonkey, that means 
that if a profile has been used 2.53.x, then if you try to use the same 
profile again in 2.49.x, there is significant chance for data loss.


Although I may be annoyed that the upgrade-in-place tool has been broken 
for several releases, I still consider that to be something of a 
positive thing. If I have to manually download and install a new 
version, then it's a good reminder to make a backup of a profile before 
I install.  Then, if it turns out that there's a reason to revert to the 
earlier version, I still have a copy of a profile that's known to work 
with that version.


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Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.53.3

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Bill Spikowski wrote:

NFN Smith wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:
I'm trying to update my Seamonkey 2.49.5 installations on Win10 and 
Win7 computers.


The installations seem to work fine; but then a couple hours later, I 
see that SM has regressed to version 2.49.5. This has happened twice 
each on two different Win10 computers. I've looked at the various 
warnings about this update but can't find any that would explain this 
behavior.


What might I be missing???


I'm not aware of specific issues, but I know that when I upgraded to 
2.53.1, I uninstalled 2.49.5 first (as well as backing up my profiles 
by copying the contents of %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey to another 
location).


I'm wondering if there's a possibility of you having problems with 32 
and 64 bit versions.  If your 2.49.5 is 32 bit and you're running a 64 
bit installer for 2.53.3, I'm pretty sure the release notes instruct 
you to uninstall the 32 bit version first. In Windows, 32 bit files 
are normally put in c:\program files (x86) and 64 bit files are 
normally put in c:\program files.


Technically, it is possible to install multiple versions of Seamonkey 
side by side (as long as you don't run them simultaneously), and I 
have done this on a virtual machine.


My suspicion is that you may have two versions installed, and where 
the shortcut you're using for launching Seamonkey points to the 
installation of 2.49.5.


If you want to dig further, two things to look at:

1) Right-click on a Seamonkey icon, look at the Properties and go to 
the Shortcut tab, and in the Target line, note the name/location of 
what binary file is being opened.


2) Use the Explorer to check your Program Files and Program Files 
(x86) folders. Check to see which (or both) have Seamonkey folders. 
Check the properties (Details tab) of any Seamonkey.exe files to 
verify version numbers.


If you're seeing any indication of Seamonkey installed in multiple 
locations, I suggest making sure you uninstall all copies of Seamonkey 
(and Windows will probably also report two versions active), and then 
install a new copy.


Smith



Yes -- I think this turned out to be my problem!

I had 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Seamonkey installed on both 
machines; one with both versions of 2.53.3, and one with 2.53.3 and 2.49.5.


I uninstalled the 32-bit versions and adjusted the shortcuts to point to 
the 64-bit versions, and both machines worked properly right away -- 
didn't even require use of my backed-up profiles.


I probably was running both versions at once. I normally keep the mail 
window open all day, and typically open and close multiple browser 
windows as I need them. The conflict probably accounted for yesterday's 
strange behavior of my POP3 email servers as well!


As always, I greatly appreciate those in this group who go to the 
trouble of helping out we the bewildered!



Be warned that "running both versions at once" is a very dangerous - ok, 
suicidal - thing to do with those two versions.
When you move from a 2.49.x (or older) version to a 2.53.x version, the 
profile undergoes some migration reformatting which renders part of it 
useless for 2.49.x levels.  That is the reason for THOSE BIG WARNINGS IN 
RED IN THE RELEASE NOTES which you should have seen.
If you then do a fallback to a 2.49.x level then it will mark some of 
the files as unuseable and rename them, replacing them with valid files 
with no content.  I'm rather assuming that going forwards again will 
cause those no-content files to be migrated in turn, you will have lost 
your original data.
The Release Notes are slightly misleading here in that there are imho no 
problems switching between 2.53.x (or 2.49.x) releases, just when you 
switch between the two families.


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Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.53.3

[Bill Spikowski]

NFN Smith wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

I'm trying to update my Seamonkey 2.49.5 installations on Win10 and Win7 
computers.

The installations seem to work fine; but then a couple hours later, I see that 
SM has regressed to version 2.49.5. This has happened twice each on two 
different Win10 computers. I've looked at the various warnings about this 
update but can't find any that would explain this behavior.

What might I be missing???


I'm not aware of specific issues, but I know that when I upgraded to 2.53.1, I 
uninstalled 2.49.5 first (as well as backing up my profiles by copying the 
contents of %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey to another location).

I'm wondering if there's a possibility of you having problems with 32 and 64 
bit versions.  If your 2.49.5 is 32 bit and you're running a 64 bit installer 
for 2.53.3, I'm pretty sure the release notes instruct you to uninstall the 32 
bit version first. In Windows, 32 bit files are normally put in c:\program 
files (x86) and 64 bit files are normally put in c:\program files.

Technically, it is possible to install multiple versions of Seamonkey side by 
side (as long as you don't run them simultaneously), and I have done this on a 
virtual machine.

My suspicion is that you may have two versions installed, and where the 
shortcut you're using for launching Seamonkey points to the installation of 
2.49.5.

If you want to dig further, two things to look at:

1) Right-click on a Seamonkey icon, look at the Properties and go to the 
Shortcut tab, and in the Target line, note the name/location of what binary 
file is being opened.

2) Use the Explorer to check your Program Files and Program Files (x86) 
folders. Check to see which (or both) have Seamonkey folders. Check the 
properties (Details tab) of any Seamonkey.exe files to verify version numbers.

If you're seeing any indication of Seamonkey installed in multiple locations, I 
suggest making sure you uninstall all copies of Seamonkey (and Windows will 
probably also report two versions active), and then install a new copy.

Smith



Yes -- I think this turned out to be my problem!

I had 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Seamonkey installed on both machines; one 
with both versions of 2.53.3, and one with 2.53.3 and 2.49.5.

I uninstalled the 32-bit versions and adjusted the shortcuts to point to the 
64-bit versions, and both machines worked properly right away -- didn't even 
require use of my backed-up profiles.

I probably was running both versions at once. I normally keep the mail window 
open all day, and typically open and close multiple browser windows as I need 
them. The conflict probably accounted for yesterday's strange behavior of my 
POP3 email servers as well!

As always, I greatly appreciate those in this group who go to the trouble of 
helping out we the bewildered!
 


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Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.53.3

[NFN Smith]

Bill Spikowski wrote:
I'm trying to update my Seamonkey 2.49.5 installations on Win10 and Win7 
computers.


The installations seem to work fine; but then a couple hours later, I 
see that SM has regressed to version 2.49.5. This has happened twice 
each on two different Win10 computers. I've looked at the various 
warnings about this update but can't find any that would explain this 
behavior.


What might I be missing???


I'm not aware of specific issues, but I know that when I upgraded to 
2.53.1, I uninstalled 2.49.5 first (as well as backing up my profiles by 
copying the contents of %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey to another location).


I'm wondering if there's a possibility of you having problems with 32 
and 64 bit versions.  If your 2.49.5 is 32 bit and you're running a 64 
bit installer for 2.53.3, I'm pretty sure the release notes instruct you 
to uninstall the 32 bit version first. In Windows, 32 bit files are 
normally put in c:\program files (x86) and 64 bit files are normally put 
in c:\program files.


Technically, it is possible to install multiple versions of Seamonkey 
side by side (as long as you don't run them simultaneously), and I have 
done this on a virtual machine.


My suspicion is that you may have two versions installed, and where the 
shortcut you're using for launching Seamonkey points to the installation 
of 2.49.5.


If you want to dig further, two things to look at:

1) Right-click on a Seamonkey icon, look at the Properties and go to the 
Shortcut tab, and in the Target line, note the name/location of what 
binary file is being opened.


2) Use the Explorer to check your Program Files and Program Files (x86) 
folders. Check to see which (or both) have Seamonkey folders. Check the 
properties (Details tab) of any Seamonkey.exe files to verify version 
numbers.


If you're seeing any indication of Seamonkey installed in multiple 
locations, I suggest making sure you uninstall all copies of Seamonkey 
(and Windows will probably also report two versions active), and then 
install a new copy.


Smith

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Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.53.3

[Bill Spikowski]

Bob Fleischer wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

I'm trying to update my Seamonkey 2.49.5 installations on Win10 and Win7 
computers.

The installations seem to work fine; but then a couple hours later, I see that 
SM has regressed to version 2.49.5. This has happened twice each on two 
different Win10 computers. I've looked at the various warnings about this 
update but can't find any that would explain this behavior.

What might I be missing???

One thing you have to be on the watch for with Windows 10 is that it will do a 
non-administrator one-user installation if you don't make sure that the 
installation is running as administrator.  That is a valid installation, but it 
does not replace the previous for-all installation, so you have two.

Bob



Well, I didn't know that!

If that is what's happening, I'm not seeing any way to choose which version to 
launch. I've been using SM nearly forever and have always been able to use the 
same-old desktop quick-launch and shortcut icons to launch the new version.

If I could find a way to launch just the new version, I could just start using 
that method and ignoring the previous methods.

I just tried installing 2.53.3 using the "run as administrator" option, which I 
hadn't done before. But the result seems to be the same, so there may be some other 
problem as well...
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Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.53.3

[Bob Fleischer]

Bill Spikowski wrote:
I'm trying to update my Seamonkey 2.49.5 installations on Win10 and Win7 
computers.


The installations seem to work fine; but then a couple hours later, I 
see that SM has regressed to version 2.49.5. This has happened twice 
each on two different Win10 computers. I've looked at the various 
warnings about this update but can't find any that would explain this 
behavior.


What might I be missing???
One thing you have to be on the watch for with Windows 10 is that it 
will do a non-administrator one-user installation if you don't make sure 
that the installation is running as administrator.  That is a valid 
installation, but it does not replace the previous for-all installation, 
so you have two.


Bob
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Re: Installing SeaMonkey on Linux - Clairification request

[Richard Owlett]

On 04/05/2017 06:54 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/5/17 7:04 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 04/05/2017 05:50 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/5/17 11:29 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

My target machine is a laptop with multiple users having Debian Jessie
with MATE desktop.
I'll use the package from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ rather
than from Debian repository.

I wish clarification of instructions at
www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall#install_linux

The first paragraph states:
Note: There is no installer available, but just extracting the tar.bz2
to the default directory (usually /usr/local/seamonkey) achieves the
same result as an installer would.

The instructions then say to do
  mkdir seamonkey2
  cd seamonkey2
and then extract files to that directory.

Question:
Is the intent to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2 ?
My intention is for all users to:
 1. access the same executable.
 2. have profiles and profile.ini under their own home directory.


The intent is to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2.

I would just use /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey

That should would for all users to access the same executable.
Each users profile and profile.ini would be in the hidden .mozilla
folder in their own home directory.


Being past 3 score and 10, I ask first :/



Make sure you use the -p switch for the executable.



I assume that's the same as when I was under WinXP.



Secondary Question:
How do I replace the links to Firefox/Iceweasel in the
Applications->Internet sub-menu with SeaMonkey?


No idea.


Acknowledged ;)








Along with my previous post. Each user will have their own user account
on the target laptop?



Yes. And thanks for the link.


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Re: Installing SeaMonkey on Linux - Clairification request

[WaltS48]

On 4/5/17 8:17 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 04/05/2017 06:54 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/5/17 7:04 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 04/05/2017 05:50 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/5/17 11:29 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
My target machine is a laptop with multiple users having Debian 
Jessie

with MATE desktop.
I'll use the package from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ rather
than from Debian repository.

I wish clarification of instructions at
www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall#install_linux

The first paragraph states:
Note: There is no installer available, but just extracting the 
tar.bz2

to the default directory (usually /usr/local/seamonkey) achieves the
same result as an installer would.

The instructions then say to do
  mkdir seamonkey2
  cd seamonkey2
and then extract files to that directory.

Question:
Is the intent to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2 ?
My intention is for all users to:
 1. access the same executable.
 2. have profiles and profile.ini under their own home directory.


The intent is to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2.

I would just use /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey

That should would for all users to access the same executable.
Each users profile and profile.ini would be in the hidden .mozilla
folder in their own home directory.


Being past 3 score and 10, I ask first :/



Make sure you use the -p switch for the executable.



I assume that's the same as when I was under WinXP.



Secondary Question:
How do I replace the links to Firefox/Iceweasel in the
Applications->Internet sub-menu with SeaMonkey?


No idea.


Acknowledged ;)








Along with my previous post. Each user will have their own user account
on the target laptop?



That is my intention.
Will respond tomorrow to your previous post when I am functionally 
awake.  ;/





Then all you need to do is create a launcher and the profile will be 
created upon the users first launch of SeaMonkey.


I don't think you will need to use the -p switch.

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Re: Installing SeaMonkey on Linux - Clairification request

[Richard Owlett]

On 04/05/2017 06:54 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/5/17 7:04 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 04/05/2017 05:50 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/5/17 11:29 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

My target machine is a laptop with multiple users having Debian Jessie
with MATE desktop.
I'll use the package from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ rather
than from Debian repository.

I wish clarification of instructions at
www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall#install_linux

The first paragraph states:
Note: There is no installer available, but just extracting the tar.bz2
to the default directory (usually /usr/local/seamonkey) achieves the
same result as an installer would.

The instructions then say to do
  mkdir seamonkey2
  cd seamonkey2
and then extract files to that directory.

Question:
Is the intent to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2 ?
My intention is for all users to:
 1. access the same executable.
 2. have profiles and profile.ini under their own home directory.


The intent is to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2.

I would just use /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey

That should would for all users to access the same executable.
Each users profile and profile.ini would be in the hidden .mozilla
folder in their own home directory.


Being past 3 score and 10, I ask first :/



Make sure you use the -p switch for the executable.



I assume that's the same as when I was under WinXP.



Secondary Question:
How do I replace the links to Firefox/Iceweasel in the
Applications->Internet sub-menu with SeaMonkey?


No idea.


Acknowledged ;)








Along with my previous post. Each user will have their own user account
on the target laptop?



That is my intention.
Will respond tomorrow to your previous post when I am functionally 
awake.  ;/



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Re: Installing SeaMonkey on Linux - Clairification request

[WaltS48]

On 4/5/17 7:04 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 04/05/2017 05:50 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/5/17 11:29 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

My target machine is a laptop with multiple users having Debian Jessie
with MATE desktop.
I'll use the package from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ rather
than from Debian repository.

I wish clarification of instructions at
www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall#install_linux

The first paragraph states:
Note: There is no installer available, but just extracting the tar.bz2
to the default directory (usually /usr/local/seamonkey) achieves the
same result as an installer would.

The instructions then say to do
  mkdir seamonkey2
  cd seamonkey2
and then extract files to that directory.

Question:
Is the intent to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2 ?
My intention is for all users to:
 1. access the same executable.
 2. have profiles and profile.ini under their own home directory.


The intent is to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2.

I would just use /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey

That should would for all users to access the same executable.
Each users profile and profile.ini would be in the hidden .mozilla
folder in their own home directory.


Being past 3 score and 10, I ask first :/



Make sure you use the -p switch for the executable.



I assume that's the same as when I was under WinXP.



Secondary Question:
How do I replace the links to Firefox/Iceweasel in the
Applications->Internet sub-menu with SeaMonkey?


No idea.


Acknowledged ;)








Along with my previous post. Each user will have their own user account 
on the target laptop?


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Re: Installing SeaMonkey on Linux - Clairification request

[WaltS48]

On 4/5/17 7:04 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 04/05/2017 05:50 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/5/17 11:29 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

My target machine is a laptop with multiple users having Debian Jessie
with MATE desktop.
I'll use the package from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ rather
than from Debian repository.

I wish clarification of instructions at
www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall#install_linux

The first paragraph states:
Note: There is no installer available, but just extracting the tar.bz2
to the default directory (usually /usr/local/seamonkey) achieves the
same result as an installer would.

The instructions then say to do
  mkdir seamonkey2
  cd seamonkey2
and then extract files to that directory.

Question:
Is the intent to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2 ?
My intention is for all users to:
 1. access the same executable.
 2. have profiles and profile.ini under their own home directory.


The intent is to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2.

I would just use /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey

That should would for all users to access the same executable.
Each users profile and profile.ini would be in the hidden .mozilla
folder in their own home directory.


Being past 3 score and 10, I ask first :/


s/should would/should work




Make sure you use the -p switch for the executable.



I assume that's the same as when I was under WinXP.


If you want each user to have and use a different profile. I'm not sure 
it prevents them from using another and messing it up.


You can create shortcuts for each users profile.



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Re: Installing SeaMonkey on Linux - Clairification request

[Richard Owlett]

On 04/05/2017 05:50 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/5/17 11:29 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

My target machine is a laptop with multiple users having Debian Jessie
with MATE desktop.
I'll use the package from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ rather
than from Debian repository.

I wish clarification of instructions at
www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall#install_linux

The first paragraph states:
Note: There is no installer available, but just extracting the tar.bz2
to the default directory (usually /usr/local/seamonkey) achieves the
same result as an installer would.

The instructions then say to do
  mkdir seamonkey2
  cd seamonkey2
and then extract files to that directory.

Question:
Is the intent to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2 ?
My intention is for all users to:
 1. access the same executable.
 2. have profiles and profile.ini under their own home directory.


The intent is to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2.

I would just use /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey

That should would for all users to access the same executable.
Each users profile and profile.ini would be in the hidden .mozilla
folder in their own home directory.


Being past 3 score and 10, I ask first :/



Make sure you use the -p switch for the executable.



I assume that's the same as when I was under WinXP.



Secondary Question:
How do I replace the links to Firefox/Iceweasel in the
Applications->Internet sub-menu with SeaMonkey?


No idea.


Acknowledged ;)






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Re: Installing SeaMonkey on Linux - Clairification request

[WaltS48]

On 4/5/17 11:29 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
My target machine is a laptop with multiple users having Debian Jessie 
with MATE desktop.
I'll use the package from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ rather 
than from Debian repository.


I wish clarification of instructions at
www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall#install_linux

The first paragraph states:
Note: There is no installer available, but just extracting the tar.bz2 
to the default directory (usually /usr/local/seamonkey) achieves the 
same result as an installer would.


The instructions then say to do
  mkdir seamonkey2
  cd seamonkey2
and then extract files to that directory.

Question:
Is the intent to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2 ?
My intention is for all users to:
 1. access the same executable.
 2. have profiles and profile.ini under their own home directory.


The intent is to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2.

I would just use /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey

That should would for all users to access the same executable.
Each users profile and profile.ini would be in the hidden .mozilla 
folder in their own home directory.


Make sure you use the -p switch for the executable.



Secondary Question:
How do I replace the links to Firefox/Iceweasel in the 
Applications->Internet sub-menu with SeaMonkey?


No idea.


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Re: Installing SeaMonkey on Linux - Clairification request

[Richard Owlett]

On 04/05/2017 05:32 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

My target machine is a laptop with multiple users having Debian Jessie
with MATE desktop.
I'll use the package from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ rather than
from Debian repository.

I wish clarification of instructions at
www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall#install_linux

The first paragraph states:
Note: There is no installer available, but just extracting the tar.bz2
to the default directory (usually /usr/local/seamonkey) achieves the
same result as an installer would.

The instructions then say to do
  mkdir seamonkey2
  cd seamonkey2
and then extract files to that directory

Question:
Is the intent to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2 ?


I found it much easier to just use the ubuntuzilla ppa



in installs seamonkey to /opt/seamonkey with execuable in
/usr/bin/seamonkey


My intention is for all users to:
 1. access the same executable.
 2. have profiles and profile.ini under their own home directory.


Does that automatically. Each user gets settings in ~/.mozilla/seamonkey/




Secondary Question:
How do I replace the links to Firefox/Iceweasel in the
Applications->Internet sub-menu with SeaMonkey?


I use Ubuntu with Unity which seamonkey.desktop in
~/.local/share/applications/

For editing old style menus was alacarte. Whatever menu editor MATE uses
I don't know.



Thank you for trying ;}
Ubuntu and Debian *ARE* close relatives.
HOWEVER, as they say, "the devils be in the details" ;/

Debian specific feedback please?
TIA




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Re: Installing SeaMonkey on Linux - Clairification request

[Jonathan N. Little]

Richard Owlett wrote:

My target machine is a laptop with multiple users having Debian Jessie
with MATE desktop.
I'll use the package from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ rather than
from Debian repository.

I wish clarification of instructions at
www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall#install_linux

The first paragraph states:
Note: There is no installer available, but just extracting the tar.bz2
to the default directory (usually /usr/local/seamonkey) achieves the
same result as an installer would.

The instructions then say to do
  mkdir seamonkey2
  cd seamonkey2
and then extract files to that directory

Question:
Is the intent to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2 ?


I found it much easier to just use the ubuntuzilla ppa



in installs seamonkey to /opt/seamonkey with execuable in
/usr/bin/seamonkey


My intention is for all users to:
 1. access the same executable.
 2. have profiles and profile.ini under their own home directory.


Does that automatically. Each user gets settings in ~/.mozilla/seamonkey/




Secondary Question:
How do I replace the links to Firefox/Iceweasel in the
Applications->Internet sub-menu with SeaMonkey?


I use Ubuntu with Unity which seamonkey.desktop in
~/.local/share/applications/

For editing old style menus was alacarte. Whatever menu editor MATE uses 
I don't know.


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Re: Installing Seamonkey in Debian Jessie (stable)

[»Q«]

In ,
NFN Smith  wrote:

> Beyond that, I believe that I've seen in news fairly recently that 
> Debian and Mozilla are in the process of settling their differences 
> (Mozilla logos, and Debian adjustments to Mozilla code), and that
> before long, we may see Firefox (by name) in Debian repositories.  If
> that's true, I think it likely that further into the future, we may
> see the same with Thunderbird and Seamonkey.

Debian's bug entry about renaming (or un-renaming, I guess) their
Firefox mentions that the Icedove (Thunderbird) maintainers are
considering a similar move.  Seamonkey wasn't mentioned, but of course
that doesn't mean it won't happen.


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Re: Installing Seamonkey in Debian Jessie (stable)

[Matthias Mueller]

There is no IceApe or SeaMonkey in debian anymore.
https://threatpost.com/debian-announces-end-of-security-support-for-iceape/103203/

Its hard to get a official build that is working on 64bit debian computers
:(



2016-03-11 20:57 GMT+01:00 NFN Smith :

> Matthias Mueller wrote:
>
>> i am relatively new to linux and trying to get Seamonkey to work. There is
>> no package in the Debian Repositories.
>>
>> I have tried to unpack and start Seamonkey this way: "
>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall;.
>> Unpacked inside my homefolder "~/seamonkey".
>>
>
> I don't have experience with a source install, so I won't try to address
> those specifics.
>
> For Debian, if you want SeaMonkey, the easier route to go may be to
> install IceApe, the Debian fork of SeaMonkey. Debian's forks of Mozilla
> stuff (IceWeasel, IceDove and IceApe) aren't official Mozilla products, and
> as such, they don't get all the QA testing, and stuff that happens with the
> Nightly branch.  However, by going with the Debian forks, all the issues
> relating to compiling and package dependencies are pretty much avoided.
>
> I just did an install of jesse in a virtual machine a few days ago -- I
> was working on other stuff, but I found that IceApe was included, when I
> included xfce, Cinnamon and Mate as desktop options. I don't know if
> inclusion of IceApe is specific to one of those desktops (and whether it's
> included, if you opt exclusively for Gnome or KDE), or if you have grab it
> through APT processes.
>
> Beyond that, I believe that I've seen in news fairly recently that Debian
> and Mozilla are in the process of settling their differences (Mozilla
> logos, and Debian adjustments to Mozilla code), and that before long, we
> may see Firefox (by name) in Debian repositories.  If that's true, I think
> it likely that further into the future, we may see the same with
> Thunderbird and Seamonkey.
>
> Smith
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Re: Installing Seamonkey in Debian Jessie (stable)

[GerardJan]

Bret Busby wrote:

On 12/03/2016, NFN Smith  wrote:





Beyond that, I believe that I've seen in news fairly recently that
Debian and Mozilla are in the process of settling their differences
(Mozilla logos, and Debian adjustments to Mozilla code), and that before
long, we may see Firefox (by name) in Debian repositories.  If that's
true, I think it likely that further into the future, we may see the
same with Thunderbird and Seamonkey.

Smith


I hope that that would mean that seamonkey would be upgraded to the
functionality of iceape, whereby, upon installation, in the
applications menu, separate options are displayed, for loading and
running the browser component, and,  the email component, instead of
users being required to additionally install thunderbird, solely to
get a separate menu option to load and run a mozilla based email
application.




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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.39
Build identifier: 20151103174305

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Re: Installing Seamonkey in Debian Jessie (stable)

[Bret Busby]

On 12/03/2016, NFN Smith  wrote:



>
> Beyond that, I believe that I've seen in news fairly recently that
> Debian and Mozilla are in the process of settling their differences
> (Mozilla logos, and Debian adjustments to Mozilla code), and that before
> long, we may see Firefox (by name) in Debian repositories.  If that's
> true, I think it likely that further into the future, we may see the
> same with Thunderbird and Seamonkey.
>
> Smith

I hope that that would mean that seamonkey would be upgraded to the
functionality of iceape, whereby, upon installation, in the
applications menu, separate options are displayed, for loading and
running the browser component, and,  the email component, instead of
users being required to additionally install thunderbird, solely to
get a separate menu option to load and run a mozilla based email
application.

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West Australia

..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992


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Re: Installing Seamonkey in Debian Jessie (stable)

[NFN Smith]

Matthias Mueller wrote:

i am relatively new to linux and trying to get Seamonkey to work. There is
no package in the Debian Repositories.

I have tried to unpack and start Seamonkey this way: "
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall;.
Unpacked inside my homefolder "~/seamonkey".


I don't have experience with a source install, so I won't try to address 
those specifics.


For Debian, if you want SeaMonkey, the easier route to go may be to 
install IceApe, the Debian fork of SeaMonkey. Debian's forks of Mozilla 
stuff (IceWeasel, IceDove and IceApe) aren't official Mozilla products, 
and as such, they don't get all the QA testing, and stuff that happens 
with the Nightly branch.  However, by going with the Debian forks, all 
the issues relating to compiling and package dependencies are pretty 
much avoided.


I just did an install of jesse in a virtual machine a few days ago -- I 
was working on other stuff, but I found that IceApe was included, when I 
included xfce, Cinnamon and Mate as desktop options. I don't know if 
inclusion of IceApe is specific to one of those desktops (and whether 
it's included, if you opt exclusively for Gnome or KDE), or if you have 
grab it through APT processes.


Beyond that, I believe that I've seen in news fairly recently that 
Debian and Mozilla are in the process of settling their differences 
(Mozilla logos, and Debian adjustments to Mozilla code), and that before 
long, we may see Firefox (by name) in Debian repositories.  If that's 
true, I think it likely that further into the future, we may see the 
same with Thunderbird and Seamonkey.


Smith
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Re: Installing Seamonkey in Debian Jessie (stable)

[Matthias Mueller]

i give up on compiling for now.  The unofficial contributed version is
working on my machine: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#contrib



2016-03-09 16:50 GMT+01:00 Matthias Mueller :

> Hi,
>
> i am relatively new to linux and trying to get Seamonkey to work. There is
> no package in the Debian Repositories.
>
> I have tried to unpack and start Seamonkey this way: "
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall;.
> Unpacked inside my homefolder "~/seamonkey".
>
>
> I get this Error Message:
>
> user@Desktop:~/seamonkey$ ./seamonkey
> XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /home/user/seamonkey2/seamonkey/libxul.so:
> libXrender.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> Couldn't load XPCOM.
>
>
> I also get errors when i am trying to compile it myself:
> http://pastebin.com/8NpkP0RF
>
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Re: Installing Seamonkey in Debian Jessie (stable)

[Matthias Mueller]

its not working for debian

http://pastebin.com/9EvZuLbU

the same happens with the 32bit version

http://pastebin.com/Hi6GkvES

2016-03-09 18:52 GMT+01:00 Bret Busby :

> On 09/03/2016, Matthias Mueller  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > i am relatively new to linux and trying to get Seamonkey to work. There
> is
> > no package in the Debian Repositories.
> >
>
> Have you tried
>
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/files/mozilla/apt/pool/main/s/seamonkey-mozilla-build/
> ?
>
> --
>
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> West Australia
>
> ..
>
> "So once you do know what the question actually is,
>  you'll know what the answer means."
> - Deep Thought,
>  Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
>  "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
>  A Trilogy In Four Parts",
>  written by Douglas Adams,
>  published by Pan Books, 1992
>
> 
>
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Re: Installing Seamonkey in Debian Jessie (stable)

[Gordon Weast]

Matthias Mueller wrote:

Hi,

i am relatively new to linux and trying to get Seamonkey to work. There is
no package in the Debian Repositories.

I have tried to unpack and start Seamonkey this way: "
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall;.
Unpacked inside my homefolder "~/seamonkey".


I get this Error Message:

user@Desktop:~/seamonkey$ ./seamonkey
XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /home/user/seamonkey2/seamonkey/libxul.so:
libXrender.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Couldn't load XPCOM.


I also get errors when i am trying to compile it myself:
http://pastebin.com/8NpkP0RF



I know on Ubuntu (based on Debian) only the 64 bit execution environment 
is installed by default.  When I tried the regular 32 bit Seamonkey, it 
won't start.  I had to get the 64 bit experimental version, then it worked.


It does seem possible to install the 32 bit execution environment, but I 
finally gave up when I couldn't identify and find all the shared 
libraries that Seamonkey 32bit needs.


This could be your problem.  I don't know if Debian installs the 32 bit 
environment by default.

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Re: Installing Seamonkey in Debian Jessie (stable)

[Bret Busby]

On 09/03/2016, Matthias Mueller  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i am relatively new to linux and trying to get Seamonkey to work. There is
> no package in the Debian Repositories.
>

Have you tried
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/files/mozilla/apt/pool/main/s/seamonkey-mozilla-build/
?

-- 

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West Australia

..

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 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
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Re: Installing Seamonkey in Debian Jessie (stable)

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Is the X server and the package libxrender installed? You also seem to miss 
alot 
of the gtk2 packages so the configure barks. If you have gtk2 installed maybe 
only 
the dev packages with the headers and libraries are missing? Which gcc is 
installed?

On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 16:50:12 +0100, Matthias Mueller wrote:

>>Hi,
>>
>>i am relatively new to linux and trying to get Seamonkey to work. There is
>>no package in the Debian Repositories.
>>
>>I have tried to unpack and start Seamonkey this way: "
>>http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall;.
>>Unpacked inside my homefolder "~/seamonkey".
>>
>>
>>I get this Error Message:
>>
>>user@Desktop:~/seamonkey$ ./seamonkey
>>XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /home/user/seamonkey2/seamonkey/libxul.so:
>>libXrender.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
>>Couldn't load XPCOM.
>>
>>
>>I also get errors when i am trying to compile it myself:
>>http://pastebin.com/8NpkP0RF


 Regards
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Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.17.1 Questions

[Ray_Net]

Hartmut Figge wrote, On 27/04/2013 03:36:

DoctorBill:


Still hanging on to XP by my fingernails.

XP is too complicated for me, so i am using Linux. *g*

Hartmut
I was obliged to work 5 years with a unix system, i have seen how 
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Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.17.1 Questions

[A Williams]

DoctorBill wrote:

A Williams wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

I have a rather 'computer illiterate' friend who has NEVER had SeaMonkey
on his two Computers. I have convinced him to install SM.
I want to help him as best I can.

He has desktop is running XP and his new laptop is running Windows 8.
BTW - He still uses a Modem for reasons related to location and
his own quirks about hooking up with cables. (Fixed in his ways).

Anyway - Will SeaMonkey 2.17.1 work OK on both of his computers,
one with XP and one with Windows 8 ?

Personally I have XP on my computer and ALL is well.
I will change to Win 8 only when the beat me into submission...

I know NOTHING about Windows 8 and hope we both can figure out how to
install SM to THAT computer.

It has been Years since I installed SM to a brand new XP system.
I remember that we will have to set up his profile on a new install -
YES ?

Will Windows 8 run SeaMonkey 2.17.1 ?

Windows 8 is enigmatic to both him and me

Thank you for any help.



Seamonkey will work fine under Win8.
I would migrate the profile from XP rather than set up a new one,
preferably before even installing Seamonkey on the new machine.

What do you want to do about new mails?  Is he going to stop using SM on
the XP machine and start on Win8 or is he going to want to access them
on both?  If he wants them on both then he will need to update the
Server Settings for all accounts before migration.
My settings are Leave messages on Server, For at most nn days and
Until I delete them.


ok, how to migrate a profile.
- delete your Cache (to save time later)
- exit Seamonkey, Firefox and all other Mozilla programs (on the XP
machine)
- Start - Run Program (I have a foreign-language XP so I can't remember
the exact command) and enter %appdata% there.  This will open Windows
Explorer.
- copy the mozilla directory from there to an USB stick or something
- now get onto the Win8 machine and do whatever you need to do to get
%appdata% up in Explorer there.  Win7 has the Start menu and typing
%appdata% there works fine, Win8 can't be *that* much different - can
it?  Oh.
- copy your mozilla directory to %appdata%\mozilla
- install, execute and enjoy a functioning Seamonkey.


NO - you misread my message, Mr. Williams.

He has TWO DIFFERENT Computers which have never seen SeaMonkey.
We want to put SM on BOTH of them.  We are both 70 years old.
I am about two millimeters more edicated in computers than he is.

I convinced him to migrate from Internet Explorer to SM which is
infinitely better


On ONE older computer he has Windows XP which he uses NOW.

I want to install SeaMonkey on his XP Computer (first time installation).



He ALSO has a NEW Laptop (the second computer)  which CAME WITH Windows
8 - no choice.

I want to install SeaMonkey on THAT computer ALSO.
The Laptop with Win 8 will be HELL because neither he nor I know doodily
squat about Win 8 (An enigma!).  I bought a Windows 8 for Morons for
HIM to study.  I won't read it until someone MAKES me use Win 8 by
beating me about the head  shoulders - for a long time.

I wasn't sure if this ver of SM would work under Windows 8 and wanted to
ask you experts before I make a fool of myself.
(He thinks I am some computer expurt ! lol!)




Mea Culpa.

Seamonkey is Browser + Mail-Client + Composer ( ;-) )

He can import Bookmarks and stuff like that (a technical term) from IE.

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Importing_and_exporting_your_mail shows you 
how to import mail.


Do all that on the XP machine, then you can look at copying the profile 
to the Win8 monstrosity.


If you don't want to use Seamonkey for mail, I'd give consideration to 
using Firefox.  Me?  Every time Firefox changes some stupid setting I 
have to google things and work out which about:config setting I need to 
toggle to change it back.  Maybe Firefox is a bad idea after all.

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Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.17.1 Questions

[A Williams]

DoctorBill wrote:

Hartmut Figge wrote:

DoctorBill:


Still hanging on to XP by my fingernails.


XP is too complicated for me, so i am using Linux. *g*

Hartmut



Well - just about the time I get comfortable with a Windows Version, old
Bill Gates changes itthen goes about his life as a Gozillionaire.

Windows 8 is nice (I heard)but how much of it's programming is
passed over garbage (i.e. Goto past the old lines of Mach lang).

If it were completely rewritten, how much smaller would it be ?




Bill Gates left years ago, blame Steve Balmer.

There are persistent rumours that SP1 for Win8 is going to include a 
setting you can use to make it look like Win7.  There is some App 
available on the 'net which already does that and it has over a million 
downloads.  Even Microsoft has realised they may have a problem.


Windows generally has the problem of backward-compatability.  Programs 
which ran under previous levels should run under newer levels.  Recent 
versions have dropped some support for really old software but that has 
always been the reason for passed over garbage.
A lot of effort has gone into making Win8 boot quickly and then run fast 
(and securely) on modern hardware.  Then some fool decided the UI should 
look like that of a touch-screen smartphone.

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Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.17.1 Questions

[Paul B. Gallagher]

A Williams wrote:


Bill Gates left years ago, blame Steve Balmer.

There are persistent rumours that SP1 for Win8 is going to include a
setting you can use to make it look like Win7.  There is some App
available on the 'net which already does that and it has over a million
downloads.  Even Microsoft has realised they may have a problem.

Windows generally has the problem of backward-compatability.  Programs
which ran under previous levels should run under newer levels.  Recent
versions have dropped some support for really old software but that has
always been the reason for passed over garbage.
A lot of effort has gone into making Win8 boot quickly and then run fast
(and securely) on modern hardware.  Then some fool decided the UI should
look like that of a touch-screen smartphone.


I don't care much about how it looks -- a different color skeme or schin 
or whatever is really irrelevant. I do care about how it works and 
whether I can find $#!+. I do care about learning to use my computer all 
over again from scratch every two years.


And that's probably why they're making it like a smartphone -- because a 
bunch of idiots out there already know how to use smartphones and it's 
oh so terribly difficult to learn the completely different system used 
on desktop computers.


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Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.17.1 Questions

[Gerry Hickman]

Ray_Net wrote:


XP is too complicated for me, so i am using Linux. *g*



I was obliged to work 5 years with a unix system, i have seen how
complicated Linux is ...


One of the interesting things is that Mozilla has become the default 
Linux browser, no sign of IE, Chrome or Safari (by default). Linux has 
actually become a lot simpler, you can set up a CentOS Virtual Machine 
in around 30 minutes using the quick setup features of VMWare Player or 
VirtualBox. That will give you a desktop with Mozilla browser, Open 
Office, graphics, music player etc. You can create an Enterprise server 
(free of charge) if you've got a spare machine in under an hour, because 
things like apache, tomcat, java, mysql are all built in.



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Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.17.1 Questions

[WaltS]

On 04/26/2013 09:34 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

I have a rather 'computer illiterate' friend who has NEVER had SeaMonkey
on his two Computers. I have convinced him to install SM.
I want to help him as best I can.

He has desktop is running XP and his new laptop is running Windows 8.
BTW - He still uses a Modem for reasons related to location and
his own quirks about hooking up with cables. (Fixed in his ways).

Anyway - Will SeaMonkey 2.17.1 work OK on both of his computers,
one with XP and one with Windows 8 ?

Personally I have XP on my computer and ALL is well.
I will change to Win 8 only when the beat me into submission...

I know NOTHING about Windows 8 and hope we both can figure out how to
install SM to THAT computer.

It has been Years since I installed SM to a brand new XP system.
I remember that we will have to set up his profile on a new install - YES ?

Will Windows 8 run SeaMonkey 2.17.1 ?

Windows 8 is enigmatic to both him and me

Thank you for any help.



System Requirements 
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/system-requirements


Should install on Windows 8.


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Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.17.1 Questions

[A Williams]

DoctorBill wrote:

I have a rather 'computer illiterate' friend who has NEVER had SeaMonkey
on his two Computers. I have convinced him to install SM.
I want to help him as best I can.

He has desktop is running XP and his new laptop is running Windows 8.
BTW - He still uses a Modem for reasons related to location and
his own quirks about hooking up with cables. (Fixed in his ways).

Anyway - Will SeaMonkey 2.17.1 work OK on both of his computers,
one with XP and one with Windows 8 ?

Personally I have XP on my computer and ALL is well.
I will change to Win 8 only when the beat me into submission...

I know NOTHING about Windows 8 and hope we both can figure out how to
install SM to THAT computer.

It has been Years since I installed SM to a brand new XP system.
I remember that we will have to set up his profile on a new install - YES ?

Will Windows 8 run SeaMonkey 2.17.1 ?

Windows 8 is enigmatic to both him and me

Thank you for any help.



Seamonkey will work fine under Win8.
I would migrate the profile from XP rather than set up a new one, 
preferably before even installing Seamonkey on the new machine.


What do you want to do about new mails?  Is he going to stop using SM on 
the XP machine and start on Win8 or is he going to want to access them 
on both?  If he wants them on both then he will need to update the 
Server Settings for all accounts before migration.
My settings are Leave messages on Server, For at most nn days and 
Until I delete them.



ok, how to migrate a profile.
- delete your Cache (to save time later)
- exit Seamonkey, Firefox and all other Mozilla programs (on the XP machine)
- Start - Run Program (I have a foreign-language XP so I can't remember 
the exact command) and enter %appdata% there.  This will open Windows 
Explorer.

- copy the mozilla directory from there to an USB stick or something
- now get onto the Win8 machine and do whatever you need to do to get 
%appdata% up in Explorer there.  Win7 has the Start menu and typing 
%appdata% there works fine, Win8 can't be *that* much different - can 
it?  Oh.

- copy your mozilla directory to %appdata%\mozilla
- install, execute and enjoy a functioning Seamonkey.
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Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.17.1 Questions

[WaltS]

On 04/26/2013 09:58 AM, A Williams wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

I have a rather 'computer illiterate' friend who has NEVER had SeaMonkey
on his two Computers. I have convinced him to install SM.
I want to help him as best I can.

He has desktop is running XP and his new laptop is running Windows 8.
BTW - He still uses a Modem for reasons related to location and
his own quirks about hooking up with cables. (Fixed in his ways).

Anyway - Will SeaMonkey 2.17.1 work OK on both of his computers,
one with XP and one with Windows 8 ?

Personally I have XP on my computer and ALL is well.
I will change to Win 8 only when the beat me into submission...

I know NOTHING about Windows 8 and hope we both can figure out how to
install SM to THAT computer.

It has been Years since I installed SM to a brand new XP system.
I remember that we will have to set up his profile on a new install - YES ?

Will Windows 8 run SeaMonkey 2.17.1 ?

Windows 8 is enigmatic to both him and me

Thank you for any help.



Seamonkey will work fine under Win8.
I would migrate the profile from XP rather than set up a new one,
preferably before even installing Seamonkey on the new machine.

What do you want to do about new mails?  Is he going to stop using SM on
the XP machine and start on Win8 or is he going to want to access them
on both?  If he wants them on both then he will need to update the
Server Settings for all accounts before migration.
My settings are Leave messages on Server, For at most nn days and
Until I delete them.


ok, how to migrate a profile.
- delete your Cache (to save time later)
- exit Seamonkey, Firefox and all other Mozilla programs (on the XP machine)
- Start - Run Program (I have a foreign-language XP so I can't remember
the exact command) and enter %appdata% there.  This will open Windows
Explorer.
- copy the mozilla directory from there to an USB stick or something
- now get onto the Win8 machine and do whatever you need to do to get
%appdata% up in Explorer there.  Win7 has the Start menu and typing
%appdata% there works fine, Win8 can't be *that* much different - can
it?  Oh.
- copy your mozilla directory to %appdata%\mozilla
- install, execute and enjoy a functioning Seamonkey.



I suspect you are suggesting he migrate the profile from the XP machine 
after he installs SeaMonkey on that machine and creates a profile. Good 
advice.


Another option is to use Sync.

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/sync

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Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.17.1 Questions

[DoctorBill]

A Williams wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

I have a rather 'computer illiterate' friend who has NEVER had SeaMonkey
on his two Computers. I have convinced him to install SM.
I want to help him as best I can.

He has desktop is running XP and his new laptop is running Windows 8.
BTW - He still uses a Modem for reasons related to location and
his own quirks about hooking up with cables. (Fixed in his ways).

Anyway - Will SeaMonkey 2.17.1 work OK on both of his computers,
one with XP and one with Windows 8 ?

Personally I have XP on my computer and ALL is well.
I will change to Win 8 only when the beat me into submission...

I know NOTHING about Windows 8 and hope we both can figure out how to
install SM to THAT computer.

It has been Years since I installed SM to a brand new XP system.
I remember that we will have to set up his profile on a new install -
YES ?

Will Windows 8 run SeaMonkey 2.17.1 ?

Windows 8 is enigmatic to both him and me

Thank you for any help.



Seamonkey will work fine under Win8.
I would migrate the profile from XP rather than set up a new one,
preferably before even installing Seamonkey on the new machine.

What do you want to do about new mails?  Is he going to stop using SM on
the XP machine and start on Win8 or is he going to want to access them
on both?  If he wants them on both then he will need to update the
Server Settings for all accounts before migration.
My settings are Leave messages on Server, For at most nn days and
Until I delete them.


ok, how to migrate a profile.
- delete your Cache (to save time later)
- exit Seamonkey, Firefox and all other Mozilla programs (on the XP
machine)
- Start - Run Program (I have a foreign-language XP so I can't remember
the exact command) and enter %appdata% there.  This will open Windows
Explorer.
- copy the mozilla directory from there to an USB stick or something
- now get onto the Win8 machine and do whatever you need to do to get
%appdata% up in Explorer there.  Win7 has the Start menu and typing
%appdata% there works fine, Win8 can't be *that* much different - can
it?  Oh.
- copy your mozilla directory to %appdata%\mozilla
- install, execute and enjoy a functioning Seamonkey.


NO - you misread my message, Mr. Williams.

He has TWO DIFFERENT Computers which have never seen SeaMonkey.
We want to put SM on BOTH of them.  We are both 70 years old.
I am about two millimeters more edicated in computers than he is.

I convinced him to migrate from Internet Explorer to SM which is 
infinitely better



On ONE older computer he has Windows XP which he uses NOW.

I want to install SeaMonkey on his XP Computer (first time installation).



He ALSO has a NEW Laptop (the second computer)  which CAME WITH Windows 
8 - no choice.


I want to install SeaMonkey on THAT computer ALSO.
The Laptop with Win 8 will be HELL because neither he nor I know doodily
squat about Win 8 (An enigma!).  I bought a Windows 8 for Morons for 
HIM to study.  I won't read it until someone MAKES me use Win 8 by 
beating me about the head  shoulders - for a long time.


I wasn't sure if this ver of SM would work under Windows 8 and wanted to 
ask you experts before I make a fool of myself.

(He thinks I am some computer expurt ! lol!)


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Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.17.1 Questions

[DoctorBill]

DoctorBill wrote:

I have a rather 'computer illiterate' friend who has NEVER had SeaMonkey
on his two Computers. I have convinced him to install SM.
I want to help him as best I can.

He has desktop is running XP and his new laptop is running Windows 8.
BTW - He still uses a Modem for reasons related to location and
his own quirks about hooking up with cables. (Fixed in his ways).

Anyway - Will SeaMonkey 2.17.1 work OK on both of his computers,
one with XP and one with Windows 8 ?

Personally I have XP on my computer and ALL is well.
I will change to Win 8 only when the beat me into submission...

I know NOTHING about Windows 8 and hope we both can figure out how to
install SM to THAT computer.

It has been Years since I installed SM to a brand new XP system.
I remember that we will have to set up his profile on a new install - YES ?

Will Windows 8 run SeaMonkey 2.17.1 ?

Windows 8 is enigmatic to both him and me

Thank you for any help.


I installed SM on my friend's XP computer AND on his Windows 8 Laptop !

He is HAPPIER than a ..you fill the rest in !

He also has an Apple computer he hates - but he asked me if SM can be
installed on an Apple Computercan it ?

Bill


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Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.17.1 Questions

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 26/04/2013 18:14, DoctorBill told the world:

 He also has an Apple computer he hates - but he asked me if SM can be
 installed on an Apple Computercan it ?

The answer is both Yes and It depends.

Yes, there are Seamonkey versions for all Macs built since... well, in
this century I guess.

The part where It depends apply is whether you will be able to install
a CURRENT version of Seamonkey. Older Macs (in particular, PowerPC-based
Macs) are no longer supported.

But, if your friend's Mac is fairly new, you should be able to just
download and install.

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Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.17.1 Questions

[DoctorBill]

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 26/04/2013 18:14, DoctorBill told the world:


He also has an Apple computer he hates - but he asked me if SM can be
installed on an Apple Computercan it ?


The answer is both Yes and It depends.

Yes, there are Seamonkey versions for all Macs built since... well, in
this century I guess.

The part where It depends apply is whether you will be able to install
a CURRENT version of Seamonkey. Older Macs (in particular, PowerPC-based
Macs) are no longer supported.

But, if your friend's Mac is fairly new, you should be able to just
download and install.



It is SO new !  Maybe 4 months !  A total enigma to me being a PC user 
since computers came out.  I put mine together - Frankenstein them from 
Tiger Direct components.  So far, so good

Still hanging on to XP by my fingernails.

Windows 8 - OMG !
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Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.17.1 Questions

[Hartmut Figge]

DoctorBill:

Still hanging on to XP by my fingernails.

XP is too complicated for me, so i am using Linux. *g*

Hartmut
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Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.17.1 Questions

[DoctorBill]

Hartmut Figge wrote:

DoctorBill:


Still hanging on to XP by my fingernails.


XP is too complicated for me, so i am using Linux. *g*

Hartmut



Well - just about the time I get comfortable with a Windows Version, old 
Bill Gates changes itthen goes about his life as a Gozillionaire.


Windows 8 is nice (I heard)but how much of it's programming is 
passed over garbage (i.e. Goto past the old lines of Mach lang).


If it were completely rewritten, how much smaller would it be ?


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Re: re-installing seamonkey

[LMH]

Mike C wrote:

LMH wrote:

JD wrote:

LMH wrote:

Mike C wrote:

LMH wrote:

I currently have seamonkey 2.4.1 installed and it is possible that I
have had a security breach. I would like to re-install seamonkey,
but I
need to be able to do that without losing my profiles (which are
stored
on another drive from the seamonkey install folder).

Is there a tutorial on how to do this without needing to re-import
everything, which is a pain.

LMH


Your existing profiles may contain something you don't want.
Copying them and then putting them into a new installation may just
transfer the problem. (What IS the problem?)

You should be able to reinstall a new SM right over the old one.

BUTI would create a new profile first and see if all is Ok there.

Mozbackup is a GREAT program. I've been using is for about 8 years!
It will back up your profile files instead of you doing it manually.
It will then restore the files to the new installation.

BUT... You need to explain what you mean by security breach?
Does someone know your passwords?
Do you have malware or a virus?
Is it only SM that's affected?


One of the reasons I use seamonkey is that it allows me to keep my
profiles in any location I designate. I have my profiles in a location
outside the seamonkey install directory, and off of the C: drive. These
folders are backed up every night along with all of my other data
(using
rsync). If I restore my OS from an image, or something like that, my
email and browser are usually not affected. The same goes for a full
re-install of windows.

I haven't used mozbackup because I try to avoid relying on additional
applications. My experience has been that simple file to file backups
are the most dependable. All that said, using mozbackup in the manner
suggested would not compromise the redundancy already in place. Worst
case, I can always re-import my profiles, so I don't mind trying other
solutions. I wish that seamonkey had a simpler import tool, like point
to a folder and say import this one, instead of running from the
command line and all that.

I have a credit card that I use for online purchases only. That card
recently had a string of fraudulent charges run up on it, all of which
were online purchases from sites in Europe. My bank caught the charges
and flagged them as suspicious, so they never got past the pending
state. The charges have been canceled, along with the card. I am going
through some due diligence to make sure my system here hasn't been
compromised. Since these were online purchases, who ever used the card
would have needed to know the card number, name as printed on the card,
expiration date, card security number, and the entire correct billing
address. The two easiest places to acquire this data are from one of
the
emerchants I made purchases from, or from my browser. There are very
few
emerchants I do business with, and most of them are very reputable
(newegg, amazon, etc), but I still think an emerchant is the most
likely
source. Still, I think it makes sense to look at my browser.

It would be nice if there was a way to scan all of the browser
components and do an MD5SUM to confirm that all of the .exe, .dat, and
.dll files are unmodified. I'm not sure where to look in the profile
folders to see if anything is amiss.

LMH


What programs do you have to scan for spyware? That's a pretty good way
to take a look at the security of your browser.



I normally run Zone Alarm ISS (firewall and AV) and also have spybot SSD
installed. Along with a sofaware firewall router with AV, this has
always been enough.

I have run a full malware sweep based on the protocol recommended by
MajorGeeks (Super AntiSpyware, Malwarebytes, ComboFix, RootRepeal,
MGtools). Nothing was found in the sweep.

The fraud investigator at my bank said that it is unlikely that my
system is compromised. He said that some of the charges were rejected
because the all of the information given didn't match the card number.
He said that this was most likely a hacker trying random 16 digit
account numbers and random expiration dates. They keep trying
combinations by testing on small charges ($3 or less) until they get
something that authorizes. Once they have the combination they sell it.
Some places don't check if all of the data matches and just get an
authorization for the amount charged. Most of the places where the
number was used did check everything and canceled the order. It doesn't
look like anything got into my system here, otherwise they would have
had all of the information needed to use the card and not just the
number and expo date.

LMH


If SM is clean, go ahead and back it up with MozBackup.
Backup is simple and restoring is simple.


The reason I don't use MozBackup is that my email and web profile 
content changes on a daily basis. I back up my profile folders on a 
daily basis using rsync, like I back up all of my data.


I suppose MozBackup makes sense as a backup tool to use before a 
re-install, but unless you 

Re: re-installing seamonkey

[LMH]

JD wrote:

LMH wrote:

Mike C wrote:

LMH wrote:

I currently have seamonkey 2.4.1 installed and it is possible that I
have had a security breach. I would like to re-install seamonkey, but I
need to be able to do that without losing my profiles (which are stored
on another drive from the seamonkey install folder).

Is there a tutorial on how to do this without needing to re-import
everything, which is a pain.

LMH


Your existing profiles may contain something you don't want.
Copying them and then putting them into a new installation may just
transfer the problem. (What IS the problem?)

You should be able to reinstall a new SM right over the old one.

BUTI would create a new profile first and see if all is Ok there.

Mozbackup is a GREAT program. I've been using is for about 8 years!
It will back up your profile files instead of you doing it manually.
It will then restore the files to the new installation.

BUT... You need to explain what you mean by security breach?
Does someone know your passwords?
Do you have malware or a virus?
Is it only SM that's affected?


One of the reasons I use seamonkey is that it allows me to keep my
profiles in any location I designate. I have my profiles in a location
outside the seamonkey install directory, and off of the C: drive. These
folders are backed up every night along with all of my other data (using
rsync). If I restore my OS from an image, or something like that, my
email and browser are usually not affected. The same goes for a full
re-install of windows.

I haven't used mozbackup because I try to avoid relying on additional
applications. My experience has been that simple file to file backups
are the most dependable. All that said, using mozbackup in the manner
suggested would not compromise the redundancy already in place. Worst
case, I can always re-import my profiles, so I don't mind trying other
solutions. I wish that seamonkey had a simpler import tool, like point
to a folder and say import this one, instead of running from the
command line and all that.

I have a credit card that I use for online purchases only. That card
recently had a string of fraudulent charges run up on it, all of which
were online purchases from sites in Europe. My bank caught the charges
and flagged them as suspicious, so they never got past the pending
state. The charges have been canceled, along with the card. I am going
through some due diligence to make sure my system here hasn't been
compromised. Since these were online purchases, who ever used the card
would have needed to know the card number, name as printed on the card,
expiration date, card security number, and the entire correct billing
address. The two easiest places to acquire this data are from one of the
emerchants I made purchases from, or from my browser. There are very few
emerchants I do business with, and most of them are very reputable
(newegg, amazon, etc), but I still think an emerchant is the most likely
source. Still, I think it makes sense to look at my browser.

It would be nice if there was a way to scan all of the browser
components and do an MD5SUM to confirm that all of the .exe, .dat, and
.dll files are unmodified. I'm not sure where to look in the profile
folders to see if anything is amiss.

LMH


What programs do you have to scan for spyware? That's a pretty good way
to take a look at the security of your browser.



I normally run Zone Alarm ISS (firewall and AV) and also have spybot SSD 
installed. Along with a sofaware firewall router with AV, this has 
always been enough.


I have run a full malware sweep based on the protocol recommended by 
MajorGeeks (Super AntiSpyware, Malwarebytes, ComboFix, RootRepeal, 
MGtools). Nothing was found in the sweep.


The fraud investigator at my bank said that it is unlikely that my 
system is compromised. He said that some of the charges were rejected 
because the all of the information given didn't match the card number. 
He said that this was most likely a hacker trying random 16 digit 
account numbers and random expiration dates. They keep trying 
combinations by testing on small charges ($3 or less) until they get 
something that authorizes. Once they have the combination they sell it. 
Some places don't check if all of the data matches and just get an 
authorization for the amount charged. Most of the places where the 
number was used did check everything and canceled the order. It doesn't 
look like anything got into my system here, otherwise they would have 
had all of the information needed to use the card and not just the 
number and expo date.


LMH
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Re: re-installing seamonkey

[Mike C]

LMH wrote:

JD wrote:

LMH wrote:

Mike C wrote:

LMH wrote:

I currently have seamonkey 2.4.1 installed and it is possible that I
have had a security breach. I would like to re-install seamonkey,
but I
need to be able to do that without losing my profiles (which are
stored
on another drive from the seamonkey install folder).

Is there a tutorial on how to do this without needing to re-import
everything, which is a pain.

LMH


Your existing profiles may contain something you don't want.
Copying them and then putting them into a new installation may just
transfer the problem. (What IS the problem?)

You should be able to reinstall a new SM right over the old one.

BUTI would create a new profile first and see if all is Ok there.

Mozbackup is a GREAT program. I've been using is for about 8 years!
It will back up your profile files instead of you doing it manually.
It will then restore the files to the new installation.

BUT... You need to explain what you mean by security breach?
Does someone know your passwords?
Do you have malware or a virus?
Is it only SM that's affected?


One of the reasons I use seamonkey is that it allows me to keep my
profiles in any location I designate. I have my profiles in a location
outside the seamonkey install directory, and off of the C: drive. These
folders are backed up every night along with all of my other data (using
rsync). If I restore my OS from an image, or something like that, my
email and browser are usually not affected. The same goes for a full
re-install of windows.

I haven't used mozbackup because I try to avoid relying on additional
applications. My experience has been that simple file to file backups
are the most dependable. All that said, using mozbackup in the manner
suggested would not compromise the redundancy already in place. Worst
case, I can always re-import my profiles, so I don't mind trying other
solutions. I wish that seamonkey had a simpler import tool, like point
to a folder and say import this one, instead of running from the
command line and all that.

I have a credit card that I use for online purchases only. That card
recently had a string of fraudulent charges run up on it, all of which
were online purchases from sites in Europe. My bank caught the charges
and flagged them as suspicious, so they never got past the pending
state. The charges have been canceled, along with the card. I am going
through some due diligence to make sure my system here hasn't been
compromised. Since these were online purchases, who ever used the card
would have needed to know the card number, name as printed on the card,
expiration date, card security number, and the entire correct billing
address. The two easiest places to acquire this data are from one of the
emerchants I made purchases from, or from my browser. There are very few
emerchants I do business with, and most of them are very reputable
(newegg, amazon, etc), but I still think an emerchant is the most likely
source. Still, I think it makes sense to look at my browser.

It would be nice if there was a way to scan all of the browser
components and do an MD5SUM to confirm that all of the .exe, .dat, and
.dll files are unmodified. I'm not sure where to look in the profile
folders to see if anything is amiss.

LMH


What programs do you have to scan for spyware? That's a pretty good way
to take a look at the security of your browser.



I normally run Zone Alarm ISS (firewall and AV) and also have spybot SSD
installed. Along with a sofaware firewall router with AV, this has
always been enough.

I have run a full malware sweep based on the protocol recommended by
MajorGeeks (Super AntiSpyware, Malwarebytes, ComboFix, RootRepeal,
MGtools). Nothing was found in the sweep.

The fraud investigator at my bank said that it is unlikely that my
system is compromised. He said that some of the charges were rejected
because the all of the information given didn't match the card number.
He said that this was most likely a hacker trying random 16 digit
account numbers and random expiration dates. They keep trying
combinations by testing on small charges ($3 or less) until they get
something that authorizes. Once they have the combination they sell it.
Some places don't check if all of the data matches and just get an
authorization for the amount charged. Most of the places where the
number was used did check everything and canceled the order. It doesn't
look like anything got into my system here, otherwise they would have
had all of the information needed to use the card and not just the
number and expo date.

LMH


If SM is clean, go ahead and back it up with MozBackup.
Backup is simple and restoring is simple.
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Re: re-installing seamonkey

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

Mike C wrote:

LMH wrote:

I currently have seamonkey 2.4.1 installed and it is possible that I
have had a security breach. I would like to re-install seamonkey, but I
need to be able to do that without losing my profiles (which are stored
on another drive from the seamonkey install folder).

Is there a tutorial on how to do this without needing to re-import
everything, which is a pain.




BUT... You need to explain what you mean by security breach?
Does someone know your passwords?
Do you have malware or a virus?
Is it only SM that's affected?


I have a funny feeling on this, I suspect you're encountering the 
(reporting only) issue of: Bug 691083 [1]


Long story short because we don't list the known-good server certificate 
first, and have the good one second, we get this confusing message.


The hacky fix is switching the pref around (I plan to do that for 
SeaMonkey 2.6) the right fix is fixing the code that messages you.


[1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691083

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Re: re-installing seamonkey

[LMH]

Mike C wrote:

LMH wrote:

I currently have seamonkey 2.4.1 installed and it is possible that I
have had a security breach. I would like to re-install seamonkey, but I
need to be able to do that without losing my profiles (which are stored
on another drive from the seamonkey install folder).

Is there a tutorial on how to do this without needing to re-import
everything, which is a pain.

LMH


Your existing profiles may contain something you don't want.
Copying them and then putting them into a new installation may just
transfer the problem. (What IS the problem?)

You should be able to reinstall a new SM right over the old one.

BUTI would create a new profile first and see if all is Ok there.

Mozbackup is a GREAT program. I've been using is for about 8 years!
It will back up your profile files instead of you doing it manually.
It will then restore the files to the new installation.

BUT... You need to explain what you mean by security breach?
Does someone know your passwords?
Do you have malware or a virus?
Is it only SM that's affected?


One of the reasons I use seamonkey is that it allows me to keep my 
profiles in any location I designate. I have my profiles in a location 
outside the seamonkey install directory, and off of the C: drive. These 
folders are backed up every night along with all of my other data (using 
rsync). If I restore my OS from an image, or something like that, my 
email and browser are usually not affected. The same goes for a full 
re-install of windows.


I haven't used mozbackup because I try to avoid relying on additional 
applications. My experience has been that simple file to file backups 
are the most dependable. All that said, using mozbackup in the manner 
suggested would not compromise the redundancy already in place. Worst 
case, I can always re-import my profiles, so I don't mind trying other 
solutions. I wish that seamonkey had a simpler import tool, like point 
to a folder and say import this one, instead of running from the 
command line and all that.


I have a credit card that I use for online purchases only. That card 
recently had a string of fraudulent charges run up on it, all of which 
were online purchases from sites in Europe. My bank caught the charges 
and flagged them as suspicious, so they never got past the pending 
state. The charges have been canceled, along with the card. I am going 
through some due diligence to make sure my system here hasn't been 
compromised. Since these were online purchases, who ever used the card 
would have needed to know the card number, name as printed on the card, 
expiration date, card security number, and the entire correct billing 
address. The two easiest places to acquire this data are from one of the 
emerchants I made purchases from, or from my browser. There are very few 
emerchants I do business with, and most of them are very reputable 
(newegg, amazon, etc), but I still think an emerchant is the most likely 
source. Still, I think it makes sense to look at my browser.


It would be nice if there was a way to scan all of the browser 
components and do an MD5SUM to confirm that all of the .exe, .dat, and 
.dll files are unmodified. I'm not sure where to look in the profile 
folders to see if anything is amiss.


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Re: re-installing seamonkey

[JD]

LMH wrote:

Mike C wrote:

LMH wrote:

I currently have seamonkey 2.4.1 installed and it is possible that I
have had a security breach. I would like to re-install seamonkey, but I
need to be able to do that without losing my profiles (which are stored
on another drive from the seamonkey install folder).

Is there a tutorial on how to do this without needing to re-import
everything, which is a pain.

LMH


Your existing profiles may contain something you don't want.
Copying them and then putting them into a new installation may just
transfer the problem. (What IS the problem?)

You should be able to reinstall a new SM right over the old one.

BUTI would create a new profile first and see if all is Ok there.

Mozbackup is a GREAT program. I've been using is for about 8 years!
It will back up your profile files instead of you doing it manually.
It will then restore the files to the new installation.

BUT... You need to explain what you mean by security breach?
Does someone know your passwords?
Do you have malware or a virus?
Is it only SM that's affected?


One of the reasons I use seamonkey is that it allows me to keep my
profiles in any location I designate. I have my profiles in a location
outside the seamonkey install directory, and off of the C: drive. These
folders are backed up every night along with all of my other data (using
rsync). If I restore my OS from an image, or something like that, my
email and browser are usually not affected. The same goes for a full
re-install of windows.

I haven't used mozbackup because I try to avoid relying on additional
applications. My experience has been that simple file to file backups
are the most dependable. All that said, using mozbackup in the manner
suggested would not compromise the redundancy already in place. Worst
case, I can always re-import my profiles, so I don't mind trying other
solutions. I wish that seamonkey had a simpler import tool, like point
to a folder and say import this one, instead of running from the
command line and all that.

I have a credit card that I use for online purchases only. That card
recently had a string of fraudulent charges run up on it, all of which
were online purchases from sites in Europe. My bank caught the charges
and flagged them as suspicious, so they never got past the pending
state. The charges have been canceled, along with the card. I am going
through some due diligence to make sure my system here hasn't been
compromised. Since these were online purchases, who ever used the card
would have needed to know the card number, name as printed on the card,
expiration date, card security number, and the entire correct billing
address. The two easiest places to acquire this data are from one of the
emerchants I made purchases from, or from my browser. There are very few
emerchants I do business with, and most of them are very reputable
(newegg, amazon, etc), but I still think an emerchant is the most likely
source. Still, I think it makes sense to look at my browser.

It would be nice if there was a way to scan all of the browser
components and do an MD5SUM to confirm that all of the .exe, .dat, and
.dll files are unmodified. I'm not sure where to look in the profile
folders to see if anything is amiss.

LMH


What programs do you have to scan for spyware? That's a pretty good way 
to take a look at the security of your browser.


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re-installing seamonkey

[LMH]

I currently have seamonkey 2.4.1 installed and it is possible that I 
have had a security breach. I would like to re-install seamonkey, but I 
need to be able to do that without losing my profiles (which are stored 
on another drive from the seamonkey install folder).


Is there a tutorial on how to do this without needing to re-import 
everything, which is a pain.


LMH
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Re: re-installing seamonkey

[Danny Kile]

JD wrote:

LMH wrote:

I currently have seamonkey 2.4.1 installed and it is possible that I
have had a security breach. I would like to re-install seamonkey, but I
need to be able to do that without losing my profiles (which are stored
on another drive from the seamonkey install folder).

Is there a tutorial on how to do this without needing to re-import
everything, which is a pain.

LMH


I haven't done what you're trying to do. Does this sound like it will
work for you?

Make copies of your profiles. Reinstall SM. If the new SM keeps the
profiles then no problem. If it doesn't, use the copies of your profiles.

I would download MozBackup and use it to make a backup of your profile 
and then use it to restore from after the reinstall.


Here is a link:  http://www.mozbackup.org/


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Re: re-installing seamonkey

[Mike C]

LMH wrote:

I currently have seamonkey 2.4.1 installed and it is possible that I
have had a security breach. I would like to re-install seamonkey, but I
need to be able to do that without losing my profiles (which are stored
on another drive from the seamonkey install folder).

Is there a tutorial on how to do this without needing to re-import
everything, which is a pain.

LMH


Your existing profiles may contain something you don't want.
Copying them and then putting them into a new installation may just 
transfer the problem.  (What IS the problem?)


You should be able to reinstall a new SM right over the old one.

BUTI would create a new profile first and see if all is Ok there.

Mozbackup is a GREAT program.  I've been using is for about 8 years!
It will back up your profile files instead of you doing it manually.
It will then restore the files to the new installation.

BUT... You need to explain what you mean by security breach?
Does someone know your passwords?
Do you have malware or a virus?
Is it only SM that's affected?
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Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)

[Jens Hatlak]

NoOp wrote:

On 05/23/2010 02:23 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote:

Rob Lindauer wrote:

The Seamonkey install instructions I've been using (successfully) for a
year or two have me expand the Seamonkey tar/bz2 file into a
subdirectory under home, and manually add an entry in my Gnome/Kde menu,
as opposed to installing via Synaptic/Apt. The rationale as I recall is
that I as nonprivileged user can thereafter add extensions, and no have
to run as root when doing so.


With SeaMonkey versions before 2.0 there were extensions that needed to
be installed into the application directory so you needed access to that
directory, which usually meant you needed to be root. Starting with
version 2.0 SeaMonkey uses the same add-on back-end as recent versions
of Firefox which means that you can install all kinds of extensions into
your user profile which does not require special privileges.


The OP was asking about continuing to install in the /home folder. That
question/response had nothing to do with installing globally.


More specifically, the OP was asking about the rationale behind 
installing in the home directory as opposed to using the system package 
management. The latter is always installing globally. I was just saying 
that before SeaMonkey 2.0, access to the application directory was 
needed in order to be able to install some kinds of add-ons. With 
SeaMonkey 2.0 and later, application directory access is only required 
for updating the application itself. So there are now fewer reasons to 
go with that approach as before. That's all.



BTW: -no-remote does nothing with SeaMonkey version prior to 2.0. Just
remove it.


I beg to differ


Sure, Stanimir already explained that and I already confirmed his 
findings. My statement was wrong. Please read Stanimir's posting and my 
reply to see why (it's really confusing!).


Greetings,

Jens

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Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)

[Tony]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Rob Lindauer wrote:

The Seamonkey install instructions I've been using (successfully) for a
year or two have me expand the Seamonkey tar/bz2 file into a
subdirectory under home, and manually add an entry in my Gnome/Kde menu,
as opposed to installing via Synaptic/Apt. The rationale as I recall is
that I as nonprivileged user can thereafter add extensions, and no have
to run as root when doing so.


With SeaMonkey versions before 2.0 there were extensions that needed to
be installed into the application directory so you needed access to that
directory, which usually meant you needed to be root. Starting with
version 2.0 SeaMonkey uses the same add-on back-end as recent versions
of Firefox which means that you can install all kinds of extensions into
your user profile which does not require special privileges.


Does such thinking still hold, or should I
be using Synaptic to do the installs?


It depends. There are basically three kinds of setups:
1. Global install using packages provided by your Linux distribution (in
your case Ubuntu)
2. Manual global install (as root, e.g. under /opt or /usr/local)
3. Manual local install (as your user, e.g. in your home directory)

Option 1 is the way to go if you have multiple (system) users and/or
want to let your distribution manage the software installed on your
machine. The advantage is that it'll probably just work out-of-the-box,
install all required dependencies and that your distribution will take
care of delivering updates to you. The latter can also be a downside,
though: depending on your distribution, updates might not be offered too
often or not in a timely fashion.

Option 2 is best if you have a multi-user install like above but want
more control or go with what is provided by the SeaMonkey team. With
this setup you'll have to take care of installing any dependencies and
updates yourself, as root.

Option 3 is recommended for single-user installations because you can
let SeaMonkey update itself directly whenever an update is available (or
at any later point in time, whenever you want).

HTH

Jens

I have a related question - I have set up my laptop with Ubuntu 10.4 LTS 
and installed 2.0.4 from the Ubuntu Software Respository. Seems to be 
working fine but no mail/news just browser  composer. I think I see the 
appropriate files for mail/news but I don't know enough about Linux 
(yet) to install them.


Should I remove the current install and download from Mozilla.org the 
appropriate package and install as described elsewhere in this thread? I 
have my bookmarks ready to import, passwords in a .xml file, and my mail 
 news folders on a thumbdrive ready to copy into the profile.


I hope I am not hijacking this thread. Thanks from a Linux newbie but a 
long time Windows user.

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Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)

[NoOp]

On 05/25/2010 04:40 PM, Tony wrote:
...
 I have a related question - I have set up my laptop with Ubuntu 10.4 LTS 
 and installed 2.0.4 from the Ubuntu Software Respository. Seems to be 
 working fine but no mail/news just browser  composer. I think I see the 
 appropriate files for mail/news but I don't know enough about Linux 
 (yet) to install them.
 
 Should I remove the current install and download from Mozilla.org the 
 appropriate package and install as described elsewhere in this thread? I 
 have my bookmarks ready to import, passwords in a .xml file, and my mail 
  news folders on a thumbdrive ready to copy into the profile.
 
 I hope I am not hijacking this thread. Thanks from a Linux newbie but a 
 long time Windows user.

Start a new thread  I'll be happy to help.

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Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)

[Rob Lindauer]

Philip Chee wrote:

On Sun, 23 May 2010 15:54:26 -0700, NoOp wrote:

On 05/23/2010 02:23 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote:






Basically all extensions that have default preferences and/or
components. All these had to be installed somewhere under the SeaMonkey
application directory.

You might have chmod'ed your SeaMonkey application directory a long time
ago and have forgotten that you did it.

Phil



Thanks, all, for your comments.

Hi, Phil.  I've been installing under my home directory (following some 
instructions I've retained from install-to-install), so I've not had to 
chmod.


Regards, RL

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Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)

[NoOp]

On 05/23/2010 09:25 PM, Philip Chee wrote:
 On Sun, 23 May 2010 15:54:26 -0700, NoOp wrote:
 On 05/23/2010 02:23 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote:
 
 With SeaMonkey versions before 2.0 there were extensions that needed to 
 be installed into the application directory so you needed access to that 
 directory, which usually meant you needed to be root. Starting with 
 version 2.0 SeaMonkey uses the same add-on back-end as recent versions 
 of Firefox which means that you can install all kinds of extensions into 
 your user profile which does not require special privileges.
 
 ???
 I've been running SM 1.x from a home folder for a very long time  still
 have the latest 1.1.19 installed  working from a home folder.
 Can you please advise which extensions required root access? Note: not a
 confrontational question, just curious as this is the first I've heard
 of this.
 ...
 
 Basically all extensions that have default preferences and/or
 components. All these had to be installed somewhere under the SeaMonkey
 application directory.
 
 You might have chmod'ed your SeaMonkey application directory a long time
 ago and have forgotten that you did it.
 
 Phil
 

I guess I'm still confused... just switch back to SeaMonkey 1.1.19 to
reply. The _only_ thing that I've done to install is to extract the
seamonkey-1.1.19.en-US.linux-i686.tar.gz to a home folder
(/home/seamonkey119) and run it from there:

/home/username/seamonkey119/./seamonkey -no-remote -mail -browser

This version has the following working (just fine): java, flash,
prefbar, xsidebar, browser, chatzilla, mail, news. All of my profile 
plugins are in ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla/plugins.

Am I missing something obvious?

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.24) Gecko/20100301
SeaMonkey/1.1.19
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Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)

[Jens Hatlak]

NoOp wrote:

On 05/23/2010 09:25 PM, Philip Chee wrote:

On Sun, 23 May 2010 15:54:26 -0700, NoOp wrote:

Can you please advise which extensions required root access? Note: not a
confrontational question, just curious as this is the first I've heard
of this.


Basically all extensions that have default preferences and/or
components. All these had to be installed somewhere under the SeaMonkey
application directory.

You might have chmod'ed your SeaMonkey application directory a long time
ago and have forgotten that you did it.


I guess I'm still confused... just switch back to SeaMonkey 1.1.19 to
reply. The _only_ thing that I've done to install is to extract the
seamonkey-1.1.19.en-US.linux-i686.tar.gz to a home folder
(/home/seamonkey119) and run it from there:

/home/username/seamonkey119/./seamonkey -no-remote -mail -browser


In that case you probably did that as your user. Philip and I were 
talking about a global install done by the root user, e.g. under 
/usr/local. With your setup all application files are owned by your user 
so you can of course install any extension.


BTW: -no-remote does nothing with SeaMonkey version prior to 2.0. Just 
remove it.


HTH

Jens

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Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)

[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Mon, 24 May 2010 21:38:51 +0200, /Jens Hatlak/:

NoOp wrote:


/home/username/seamonkey119/./seamonkey -no-remote -mail -browser


BTW: -no-remote does nothing with SeaMonkey version prior to 2.0. Just 
remove it.


I remember this has come up before 
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/322a9a5878456338:


Actually the only reason that 1.1 on linux supports -no-remote is that 
on linux seamonkey is a shell script that translates -no-remote into

set MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1
seamonkey-bin etc.


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Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)

[Jens Hatlak]

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Mon, 24 May 2010 21:38:51 +0200, /Jens Hatlak/:

NoOp wrote:


/home/username/seamonkey119/./seamonkey -no-remote -mail -browser


BTW: -no-remote does nothing with SeaMonkey version prior to 2.0. Just
remove it.


I remember this has come up before
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/322a9a5878456338:


Actually the only reason that 1.1 on linux supports -no-remote is that
on linux seamonkey is a shell script that translates -no-remote into
set MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1
seamonkey-bin etc.


Oh well. You're right. I just wished people replaced this with 
-invalidOptionThatTriggersNoRemote or something that has the same effect 
without confusing people like me (I always forget).


Greetings,

Jens

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Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)

[NoOp]

On 05/24/2010 12:38 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote:
 NoOp wrote:
 On 05/23/2010 09:25 PM, Philip Chee wrote:
 On Sun, 23 May 2010 15:54:26 -0700, NoOp wrote:
 Can you please advise which extensions required root access? Note: not a
 confrontational question, just curious as this is the first I've heard
 of this.

 Basically all extensions that have default preferences and/or
 components. All these had to be installed somewhere under the SeaMonkey
 application directory.

 You might have chmod'ed your SeaMonkey application directory a long time
 ago and have forgotten that you did it.

 I guess I'm still confused... just switch back to SeaMonkey 1.1.19 to
 reply. The _only_ thing that I've done to install is to extract the
 seamonkey-1.1.19.en-US.linux-i686.tar.gz to a home folder
 (/home/seamonkey119) and run it from there:

 /home/username/seamonkey119/./seamonkey -no-remote -mail -browser
 
 In that case you probably did that as your user. Philip and I were 
 talking about a global install done by the root user, e.g. under 
 /usr/local. With your setup all application files are owned by your user 
 so you can of course install any extension.

I was replying to:

 On 05/23/2010 02:23 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote:
  Rob Lindauer wrote:
  The Seamonkey install instructions I've been using (successfully) for a
  year or two have me expand the Seamonkey tar/bz2 file into a
  subdirectory under home, and manually add an entry in my Gnome/Kde menu,
  as opposed to installing via Synaptic/Apt. The rationale as I recall is
  that I as nonprivileged user can thereafter add extensions, and no have
  to run as root when doing so.
  
  With SeaMonkey versions before 2.0 there were extensions that needed to 
  be installed into the application directory so you needed access to that 
  directory, which usually meant you needed to be root. Starting with 
  version 2.0 SeaMonkey uses the same add-on back-end as recent versions 
  of Firefox which means that you can install all kinds of extensions into 
  your user profile which does not require special privileges.
 ???
 I've been running SM 1.x from a home folder for a very long time  still
 have the latest 1.1.19 installed  working from a home folder.
 Can you please advise which extensions required root access? Note: not a
 confrontational question, just curious as this is the first I've heard
 of this.
 ...

The OP was asking about continuing to install in the /home folder. That
question/response had nothing to do with installing globally.
 
 BTW: -no-remote does nothing with SeaMonkey version prior to 2.0. Just 
 remove it.

I beg to differ; if I have SeaMonkey 2.x running and I start 1.1.19
without the '-no-remote' command all I get is a new browser window in
2.x. However, if I start 1.1.19 using '-no-remote' I get SeaMonkey
1.1.19 running side-by-side to SeaMonkey 2.x. So obviously your
experience differs than mine, but I've been running them side-by-side
for some time and can replicate if you wish.

$ ps -e |grep seamonkey
 2055 ?00:00:00 seamonkey2 == SM 2.0.5
 2074 ?00:09:00 seamonkey-bin
 5339 pts/100:00:00 seamonkey === SM 1.1.19
 5346 pts/100:00:01 seamonkey-bin
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Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)

[NoOp]

On 05/23/2010 12:27 PM, Rob Lindauer wrote:
 The Seamonkey install instructions I've been using (successfully) for a 
 year or two have me expand the Seamonkey tar/bz2 file into a 
 subdirectory under home, and manually add an entry in my Gnome/Kde menu, 
 as opposed to installing via Synaptic/Apt.  The rationale as I recall is 
 that I as nonprivileged user can thereafter add extensions, and no have 
 to run as root when doing so.  Does such thinking still hold, or should 
 I be using Synaptic to do the installs?  Thx, RL

Yes (IMO) for awhile:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seamonkey/+bug/575160

Or, if you want an 'unofficial' Ubuntu system install that works (32bit
 63bit):
https://launchpad.net/~seamonkey2/+archive/seamonkey2
or for 2.0.5
https://launchpad.net/~seamonkey2/+archive/seamonkey2-pre

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Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)

[Jens Hatlak]

Rob Lindauer wrote:

The Seamonkey install instructions I've been using (successfully) for a
year or two have me expand the Seamonkey tar/bz2 file into a
subdirectory under home, and manually add an entry in my Gnome/Kde menu,
as opposed to installing via Synaptic/Apt. The rationale as I recall is
that I as nonprivileged user can thereafter add extensions, and no have
to run as root when doing so.


With SeaMonkey versions before 2.0 there were extensions that needed to 
be installed into the application directory so you needed access to that 
directory, which usually meant you needed to be root. Starting with 
version 2.0 SeaMonkey uses the same add-on back-end as recent versions 
of Firefox which means that you can install all kinds of extensions into 
your user profile which does not require special privileges.



Does such thinking still hold, or should I
be using Synaptic to do the installs?


It depends. There are basically three kinds of setups:
1. Global install using packages provided by your Linux distribution (in 
your case Ubuntu)

2. Manual global install (as root, e.g. under /opt or /usr/local)
3. Manual local install (as your user, e.g. in your home directory)

Option 1 is the way to go if you have multiple (system) users and/or 
want to let your distribution manage the software installed on your 
machine. The advantage is that it'll probably just work out-of-the-box, 
install all required dependencies and that your distribution will take 
care of delivering updates to you. The latter can also be a downside, 
though: depending on your distribution, updates might not be offered too 
often or not in a timely fashion.


Option 2 is best if you have a multi-user install like above but want 
more control or go with what is provided by the SeaMonkey team. With 
this setup you'll have to take care of installing any dependencies and 
updates yourself, as root.


Option 3 is recommended for single-user installations because you can 
let SeaMonkey update itself directly whenever an update is available (or 
at any later point in time, whenever you want).


HTH

Jens

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Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)

[Phillip Jones]

NoOp wrote:

On 05/23/2010 12:27 PM, Rob Lindauer wrote:

The Seamonkey install instructions I've been using (successfully) for a
year or two have me expand the Seamonkey tar/bz2 file into a
subdirectory under home, and manually add an entry in my Gnome/Kde menu,
as opposed to installing via Synaptic/Apt.  The rationale as I recall is
that I as nonprivileged user can thereafter add extensions, and no have
to run as root when doing so.  Does such thinking still hold, or should
I be using Synaptic to do the installs?  Thx, RL


Yes (IMO) for awhile:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seamonkey/+bug/575160

Or, if you want an 'unofficial' Ubuntu system install that works (32bit
  63bit):


63 bit?


https://launchpad.net/~seamonkey2/+archive/seamonkey2
or for 2.0.5
https://launchpad.net/~seamonkey2/+archive/seamonkey2-pre




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Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)

[NoOp]

On 05/23/2010 06:31 PM, Phillip Jones wrote:
 NoOp wrote:
...
 Or, if you want an 'unofficial' Ubuntu system install that works (32bit
   63bit):
 
 63 bit?

Yeah... I was watching the Sharks get wooped by the Blackhawks at the
time  dropped a bit in the process :-)

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Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)

[Phillip Jones]

NoOp wrote:

On 05/23/2010 06:31 PM, Phillip Jones wrote:

NoOp wrote:

...

Or, if you want an 'unofficial' Ubuntu system install that works (32bit
   63bit):


63 bit?


Yeah... I was watching the Sharks get wooped by the Blackhawks at the
time  dropped a bit in the process :-)


Thought maybe it was a new version Microsoft had come out with 8-)

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Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)

[Philip Chee]

On Sun, 23 May 2010 15:54:26 -0700, NoOp wrote:
 On 05/23/2010 02:23 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote:

 With SeaMonkey versions before 2.0 there were extensions that needed to 
 be installed into the application directory so you needed access to that 
 directory, which usually meant you needed to be root. Starting with 
 version 2.0 SeaMonkey uses the same add-on back-end as recent versions 
 of Firefox which means that you can install all kinds of extensions into 
 your user profile which does not require special privileges.
 
 ???
 I've been running SM 1.x from a home folder for a very long time  still
 have the latest 1.1.19 installed  working from a home folder.
 Can you please advise which extensions required root access? Note: not a
 confrontational question, just curious as this is the first I've heard
 of this.
 ...

Basically all extensions that have default preferences and/or
components. All these had to be installed somewhere under the SeaMonkey
application directory.

You might have chmod'ed your SeaMonkey application directory a long time
ago and have forgotten that you did it.

Phil

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